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S8 E6 Getting into It with Ashley Spivey and Tanner Tolbert · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with i R Radio. What a big podcast we have
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Speaker 1: coming up. As I'm a little nervous because you had
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Speaker 1: a very I will still want to say life altering
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Speaker 1: conversation with a Bachelor alum a week and a half ago.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't here last week, but you briefly brought it up.
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Speaker 1: You had a little bit of a Twitter war with
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Speaker 1: Ashley Spivy. I think it's fair to say life altering.
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Speaker 1: I feel it feels life altering. It hasn't left my
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Speaker 1: mind since it's happened, in both good and bad ways. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think you're spot on. Okay, Well, if people don't know,
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Speaker 1: Ashley Spivy was on Bradwallmack season, which is the first
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Speaker 1: season I started watching. And while she hasn't been like
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Speaker 1: a big you know, she didn't make a big splash
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Speaker 1: on her season, she's certainly made a big splash on Twitter.
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Speaker 1: Over the past couple of years. She's worked hand in
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Speaker 1: hand with reality Steve Lot and is broken a lot
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Speaker 1: of stories in Bachelor Nation, including the whole Garrit controversy
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Speaker 1: and his like instagrams, and now she has tweeted at
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Speaker 1: you something I want to say it's kind of political. Um,
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Speaker 1: it's something about well, well, Ben, why don't you explain
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Speaker 1: what she went after you last week? It's it's pretty
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Speaker 1: holistic actually, as we as we think about it. So
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Speaker 1: last week there there's just a lot right now, and
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if in today's age, I
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Speaker 1: think we can throw around words and we can get
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Speaker 1: stuck in things and say, oh this in today's age,
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Speaker 1: were more divisive than ever, not only in religion but
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Speaker 1: politics and faith and friend groups whatever. It just feels
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Speaker 1: like there's a lot of divisiveness, and I think at
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Speaker 1: some level that is true. But we've always had divisiveness,
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Speaker 1: right you go back to the Civil War, there's been
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Speaker 1: divisiveness that the country was against each other. And so
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Speaker 1: what I can control are are it's kind of what
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Speaker 1: I believe is the solution to this divisiveness. And so
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Speaker 1: I was laying in bed on let's see here. I
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Speaker 1: think it was Saturday morning because I was also leg
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Speaker 1: in bed when I saw these tweets. Yeah, it was
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Speaker 1: ten eleven, two thousand eighteen, and I tweeted the only
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Speaker 1: thing I know, and I think anybody out there listening,
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Speaker 1: my understand where I'm coming from on this, but as
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Speaker 1: a Christian, I believe that Christianity has been uh terribly
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Speaker 1: represented in recent years. I believe that we no longer
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Speaker 1: are focusing on how to accept love and support people
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Speaker 1: and serve people well. But instead, somehow evangelicals have been
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Speaker 1: associated with pushing people aside, hating on people, um, bigotry,
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Speaker 1: and and supporting almost injustice. It's weird to me, but
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Speaker 1: I know Jesus wouldn't stand for it. And so I
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Speaker 1: was sitting in bed. I was like, w how do
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Speaker 1: I as a Christian confront the darkness and the divisiveness
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Speaker 1: that feels like it's existing in our world today? And
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Speaker 1: I did this. Sweet It says, we all believe a
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Speaker 1: bunch of different things, referring pretty much to my faith
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Speaker 1: in my background, and we all have our incredibly valid reasons.
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Speaker 1: Were that? But then I said, no matter what you believe,
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Speaker 1: can we all agree that light conquers darkness? And I said,
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Speaker 1: darkness equals hate, bigotry, and justice, inequality, etcetera. Those things
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Speaker 1: will never conquer the light. And I believe this. I
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Speaker 1: still believe this to this day. I believe that the
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Speaker 1: only way to confront evil and to really solve the
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Speaker 1: most evil questions that we have in the world today
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Speaker 1: is by sharing light, by shedding light, by showing love,
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Speaker 1: by showing kindness, by sacrificing almost everything for the sake
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Speaker 1: of service and love. So so yeah, I mean I
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Speaker 1: read that and I was like, Oh, that's a nice
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Speaker 1: little message of hope. You know, it's a nice today. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: on Twitter, best I can do on Twitter. And I
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Speaker 1: believe this, But not everyone thought that statement was as
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Speaker 1: simple as I did. Not everybody did. Ashley Spyby was
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Speaker 1: one of those. She tweeted back and she said this.
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Speaker 1: I cannot quote her, uh quote verbatim because it has deleted,
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Speaker 1: but it said, um, it referred to me coming from
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Speaker 1: a place of white privilege, and I can't help where
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Speaker 1: I came from. I can't hope that I'm white. I
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Speaker 1: can't help that my dad has done very well for himself,
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Speaker 1: and I'm really proud of him for that, and I
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Speaker 1: can't help that A lot of these situations that I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about, I don't understand. But what I do know
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Speaker 1: is my job is to support people in Honduras and
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Speaker 1: in Africa and here in the United States who have
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Speaker 1: been um a part of injustices who have had less
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Speaker 1: opportunities than I have. My my job is to try
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Speaker 1: and find ways to relate to their situations so that
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Speaker 1: we can come up with sustainable solutions to help their
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Speaker 1: lives increase get to a better place. And so I
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Speaker 1: don't think I was the right target for this. There's
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Speaker 1: not a lot of things I would say I do well.
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Speaker 1: One of those things is that one of the things
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Speaker 1: in life I do do well is at least attempting
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Speaker 1: to understand people who maybe aren't as fortunate as I
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Speaker 1: have been. Um, do think I do that? All right?
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Speaker 1: That's what I do. You can't do. I think you
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Speaker 1: do a fantastic job with it. You and Ashley actually
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Speaker 1: got on the phone after a couple back and forth
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Speaker 1: messages on Twitter, and while you have talked before, we're
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Speaker 1: also going to have her come on the podcast today
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Speaker 1: and you're gonna talk it out a little bit more
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Speaker 1: and explain to people what you guys have learned about
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Speaker 1: each other. Well your spot on Ashley and I. You know,
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Speaker 1: we have talked, uh mostly about the tweets and about
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Speaker 1: the situation, but we've saved a lot for this podcast.
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Speaker 1: I think when it comes to actionable steps when it
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Speaker 1: comes to ways for me to be able to get involved,
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Speaker 1: for anybody out there listening to get involved. For really
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Speaker 1: the details of where this comes comes from from for
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Speaker 1: Ashley's and from from Ashley is the things we haven't
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Speaker 1: talked about yet. We really wanted to save it to
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Speaker 1: speak publicly. And the reason we want to do that
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Speaker 1: is because as we were continuing to talk afterwards on
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Speaker 1: the phone, it felt like we could understand each other more.
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Speaker 1: But this is something that needs to be spread to
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Speaker 1: Yeah they are, They are good for you. I can't
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Speaker 1: I drove ten minutes to Dinna say ebol because I
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Speaker 1: angry before podcast, um, because I don't know if anything
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Speaker 1: But but Blue Apron is going to really try your
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Speaker 1: best to make something tasty and healthy I know. Anyways,
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Speaker 1: we're about to get deep now. Ashley Spivey is about
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Speaker 1: to come on, and I just want to let you
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Speaker 1: know that at the end of this podcast, we're also
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Speaker 1: going to be talking about the disappearance of Wills Wills.
11:51
Speaker 1: That's right, not Wells Wills. And then um, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: have Tanner Tolberg come on to talk about how he's
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Speaker 1: officiating the wedding and some of you out there, yeah,
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Speaker 1: some if you were mad at me because I had
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Speaker 1: once upon a time said something like Ben was going
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Speaker 1: to officiate, but now Tanners. We're gonna talk about that later,
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Speaker 1: but first up, we're gonna talk to Ashley Spivy. Ashley,
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Speaker 1: are you out there? I am Ashley Spivey. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for joining the Almost Famous podcast. Of course, thanks for
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Speaker 1: having me. Actually, my co host, Ashley Eddie is sitting
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Speaker 1: in studio as well. UM, we were really are thrilled
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Speaker 1: to have you. You've had a ton of responses this
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Speaker 1: week since kind of announcing that you and I would
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Speaker 1: be talking on this podcast. Uh, this week, I've already
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Speaker 1: introduced who you are, how people know you, and then
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Speaker 1: also the situation at hand. So I think it's best
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Speaker 1: if we just dive into this. UM. I really want
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Speaker 1: to hear when you read my tweet what kind of
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Speaker 1: set you off, And I want you to be as
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Speaker 1: open and honest. You and I have talked this through, UM,
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Speaker 1: but I want you to be as open as honest
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Speaker 1: as possible, because I think the fans and the listeners
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Speaker 1: of this really kind of needed to relate with your
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Speaker 1: emotions and why you decided to tweet me. UM, for sure,
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Speaker 1: And first of all, I just want to say, uh,
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Speaker 1: thank you for having me on after uh what did happen?
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Speaker 1: On Twitter? I I do hope that me talking about
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Speaker 1: it at least start providing some background, what kind of
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Speaker 1: help people know where my head was at when I
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Speaker 1: read your tweet. I had just come out a particularly
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Speaker 1: ros three weeks with the kabinetic hearings and everything like that.
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Speaker 1: It was very triggering to me as a sexual assault survivor. UM.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if y'all have ever heard me talk
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Speaker 1: about it or read me talk about it, I'll be
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Speaker 1: talking about it. But I am in college kind of
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Speaker 1: experienced something similar to dr Ford. I went to the
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Speaker 1: College of my dreams. UM, I was drunk at a
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Speaker 1: fraternity event and raped. UM. I you know, I don't
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Speaker 1: remember anything that happened, UM luckily, but I do know
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Speaker 1: that it happened due to some witnesses account and the
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Speaker 1: way I felt the next day. UM. I'm pretty sure
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Speaker 1: anyone out there who has been right to tell you
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Speaker 1: I don't we know the next day. UM. So how
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Speaker 1: to explain this why my feelings on the matter, UM
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Speaker 1: are definitely impacted by the situation that I went through. UM.
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Speaker 1: Going to that school, I had a full scholarship. I
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Speaker 1: was very excited to go there for the next four
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Speaker 1: years of my life. After that, I went robbed that
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Speaker 1: experience because I no longer felt face at that environment. UM,
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Speaker 1: I became very sick. I became very depressed. I decided
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Speaker 1: to leave that school. UM due to everything that happened.
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Speaker 1: He was my dad was also an alumni of that
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Speaker 1: college as well. He became pretty upset at me due
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Speaker 1: to me leaving because I think, you know, I was
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Speaker 1: kind of continuing continuing on UM in his dreams, you know,
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Speaker 1: but I decided to leave the school. He became pretty
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Speaker 1: upset at me. I felt like I could never tell
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Speaker 1: him kind of what happened, just because I wasn't ready
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Speaker 1: to tell anyone at that point and I didn't want
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Speaker 1: him to know what had happened to me. And probably
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Speaker 1: about a year and a half later, he passed away
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Speaker 1: with me being able sorry, I'm trying to you're right,
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Speaker 1: without me being able to tell him why I left,
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Speaker 1: and UM, he was always this very upset and confused
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Speaker 1: I think about me leaving. I'm so sorry, and I
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Speaker 1: I don't even want you to think I'm telling you
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Speaker 1: this story for sympathy, but I want people to know that, UM,
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Speaker 1: when women were going through the the past months, just
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Speaker 1: with everything that's been going on, it's been triggering. And
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Speaker 1: when I saw you talk about light and darkness, UM,
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Speaker 1: I just I find it hard two look for the
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Speaker 1: light in this type of situation. UM, And with everything
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Speaker 1: that went on, it just seems like the darkness is
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Speaker 1: consuming UM. And I think when I'm angry, or when
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Speaker 1: anyone is angry, they do not pick their words out.
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Speaker 1: And I think that I did cross a couple of
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Speaker 1: lines and the things that I said. UM. I don't
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Speaker 1: apologize for my anger, but I apologize for the way
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Speaker 1: that I worded things, and I apologize for my misdirected grade. UM.
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Speaker 1: But I just hope that and sharing that with y'all
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Speaker 1: you understand where I'm coming from. And and also and
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Speaker 1: sharing my story, which I think is important to do
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Speaker 1: in that learnation, just because a large majority of the
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Speaker 1: audience as women, women under thirties, who are the the
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Speaker 1: people that are experiencing the most UM situations of sexual assault.
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Speaker 1: I think it's important to share these stories and for
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Speaker 1: our audience to know that there are outlies out there
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Speaker 1: for them, and there are people who they can talk to.
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Speaker 1: UM if they have experienced kind of a similar situation,
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Speaker 1: you know this is and we again, we we talked
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Speaker 1: about the background everything, and you know, Ashley did something
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Speaker 1: incredible after these tweets kind of blew up and she
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Speaker 1: sent me uh an Instagram message and just asked if
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Speaker 1: we could talk in the phone because at that point
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Speaker 1: it gotten out of control and I was being compared
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Speaker 1: to people that I hope to never be compared with
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Speaker 1: and associated with people that I hope to never be
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Speaker 1: associated with. And I think at that point, actually you
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Speaker 1: had seen that and thought I thought this was something
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Speaker 1: that we need to talk about, um together and so
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Speaker 1: and so we talked on the phone and all I
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Speaker 1: all I really want to do is here where actually
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Speaker 1: was coming from similar to what just happened there, UM
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Speaker 1: to hear her story and she wanted to hear mine.
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Speaker 1: And and what we realize is we both actually has
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Speaker 1: been a victim. And I have somebody that's one of
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Speaker 1: the closest people in my lives who is also a
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Speaker 1: victim of sexual assault and rape and it has affected
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Speaker 1: her life for a really long time. And and and
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Speaker 1: it's an odd scenario when somebody doesn't feel like there's
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Speaker 1: a place to talk about it. Um, it carries a burden,
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Speaker 1: that is something that allows um some asshole to control
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Speaker 1: you for too long. And so talking to Ashley, we
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Speaker 1: realize we're on the same team, and that's why I
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Speaker 1: wanted to have her on this podcast this year. She's angry,
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Speaker 1: she's piste off, and yes, it came towards me, and
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Speaker 1: I'm not happy with her about that. She knows that,
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Speaker 1: but it's allowed us the it's allowed us now the
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Speaker 1: platform to speak about it. Uh. And so I wanted
20:05
Speaker 1: actually to come on here and have a platform because
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Speaker 1: almost famous listeners you are. You're incredible listeners. Uh. You
20:14
Speaker 1: you have really strong opinions. UM. You engage in our
20:18
Speaker 1: conversations every time, no matter we're talking about the Bachelor
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Speaker 1: or we're talking about something that's actually really serious. And
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Speaker 1: so actually I want to now spend time now that
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Speaker 1: we're both in the same team. You realize that I'm
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Speaker 1: really unhappy that I was associated to anything happening in
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Speaker 1: this world, but I'm also really glad now we have
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Speaker 1: the platform to talk about it. I want to spend
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Speaker 1: some time just asking asking you a few questions. Uh,
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Speaker 1: for anybody out there listening to this podcast saying Hey,
20:46
Speaker 1: I've been there also, UM, I can relate. I want
20:52
Speaker 1: to just have you take some time to be their advocate.
20:55
Speaker 1: So Ashley, based on your situation, him, what advice do
21:02
Speaker 1: you give to any young person out there struggling as
21:06
Speaker 1: a victim of sexual assault? My My first piece of
21:12
Speaker 1: advice was would be to talk to someone, whether it's
21:17
Speaker 1: a friend, a family member, a therapist. UM, you don't
21:23
Speaker 1: have to be in this situation alone, and you don't
21:26
Speaker 1: have anything to be ashamed of. It isn't no way
21:29
Speaker 1: your fault what happened to you. UM. The sooner you
21:34
Speaker 1: try to deal with the issues that are going to
21:37
Speaker 1: arise from this traumatic event, UM, the easier it will
21:42
Speaker 1: be too kill from this trauma. UM. You definitely don't
21:49
Speaker 1: have to stuffer alone. UM. I know that sometimes it
21:53
Speaker 1: can be hard to tell friends or family members Like
21:56
Speaker 1: I mean, I still haven't, um necessarily even had a
22:01
Speaker 1: conversation with my mom about it. UM, just because even
22:06
Speaker 1: at this point it seems just too hard. But I
22:11
Speaker 1: have been able to speak with a therapist for years.
22:15
Speaker 1: I have been able to talk to my friends of
22:19
Speaker 1: my husband is very very supportive. UM, so definitely talk
22:25
Speaker 1: about it. It helps. We're going to at the end
22:28
Speaker 1: of this little segment, Ashley Uh and I have UM
22:33
Speaker 1: we want to focus some attention on a couple of
22:35
Speaker 1: the organizations out there that you can talk to. We've
22:38
Speaker 1: picked those out and I'll explain does it a little
22:39
Speaker 1: bit but but to continue to kind of dive into
22:43
Speaker 1: this a little bit, actually we've you know, my tweet,
22:47
Speaker 1: as mentioned before, was focused on being the light in
22:49
Speaker 1: a dark world and trying to shine a light in
22:52
Speaker 1: some dark places. I do still strongly believe that that
22:55
Speaker 1: is the only way to overcome um evil is with
23:00
Speaker 1: good and with light. And I know that you have
23:03
Speaker 1: some more tangible you know, because I think one of
23:05
Speaker 1: ther biggest complaints to me, and I get it, was
23:08
Speaker 1: that they're very big, fluffy words. I was starring around,
23:10
Speaker 1: right that can that just seem like they're coming from
23:13
Speaker 1: a place of um of not heard of, not understanding,
23:17
Speaker 1: of unrelatability. And I think once we talk, you realize
23:19
Speaker 1: that maybe could uh not personally relate, but I know
23:23
Speaker 1: somebody very close to me that can um And so
23:26
Speaker 1: those words were not light. You know, they have a
23:29
Speaker 1: meaning behind them, and I want to hear from you,
23:32
Speaker 1: what are some ways when you say heal from this situation,
23:35
Speaker 1: what are some ways that you've been pointed or that's
23:37
Speaker 1: helped you heal from something so traumatic. I think by
23:43
Speaker 1: just trying to educate everyone around you on the statistics
23:49
Speaker 1: of how often these events occur, um, and how you
23:54
Speaker 1: can be a better ally to people who have been
23:59
Speaker 1: in these types of situations. I think that was the
24:02
Speaker 1: thing that would the hardest to deal with in the
24:05
Speaker 1: past couple of weeks is seeing how people respond to
24:10
Speaker 1: a survivor's story or a victims story, um by not
24:14
Speaker 1: believing them and by making some false parallels um. I.
24:24
Speaker 1: I just really feel like the more education we get
24:28
Speaker 1: out there, and the more we talk about this subject,
24:30
Speaker 1: and the more we tie to be empathetic and just listen. Um.
24:36
Speaker 1: You don't automatically have to arrive at a conclusion by
24:40
Speaker 1: listening to a survivor's story. Just being there for that
24:44
Speaker 1: person to, you know, tell you their story is going
24:49
Speaker 1: to make all the difference in the world. And I
24:52
Speaker 1: think that's a big thing behind the whole Believe women
24:57
Speaker 1: or Believe survivors is that is we want to be
25:01
Speaker 1: able to tell our stories without fear of being told
25:06
Speaker 1: that we're making a false accusation or not being believed.
25:10
Speaker 1: What do you what are the some of the things
25:12
Speaker 1: as you see this, and you've stud pretty deep into
25:16
Speaker 1: um this being your mission and your your passion and
25:20
Speaker 1: kind of your purpose, what are some of the reasons
25:23
Speaker 1: that you see on why people aren't believing the victims?
25:28
Speaker 1: What's what's the communication? Where is the communication missing? I
25:34
Speaker 1: think that a lot of people get exposed to scare
25:39
Speaker 1: tactics or misinformation. UM. There was a lot going around
25:44
Speaker 1: about I forget what even the hashtag was, but it
25:48
Speaker 1: was like not my son or something like that. UM.
25:52
Speaker 1: And when you look at these statistics of false accusations,
25:58
Speaker 1: they're very low, between like two and ten percent. And
26:03
Speaker 1: even that amount of debt data isn't accurate just because UM,
26:09
Speaker 1: the police stations or the people reporting these numbers aren't
26:13
Speaker 1: using the same type of UH data that whenever they're
26:20
Speaker 1: looking at these UM. So I think the best thing
26:25
Speaker 1: to do is to volunteer with organizations that do help
26:30
Speaker 1: women through these types of situations, or to read up
26:36
Speaker 1: on any type of literature you can consume that deals
26:40
Speaker 1: with this type of subject. The more we expose ourselves
26:45
Speaker 1: to these situations and listening to people's stories, the better
26:49
Speaker 1: we can serve them. I think you're spot on. And
26:54
Speaker 1: one of the things I've learned from this is and
26:56
Speaker 1: actually again has been quick to tell me, there's a
26:59
Speaker 1: lot of things I don't understand. Um, as somebody that's
27:04
Speaker 1: not a victim myself, there's a lot of things I
27:06
Speaker 1: don't understand, and I have to admit that. Right, so
27:09
Speaker 1: somebody actually it's out there that doesn't understand but knows
27:13
Speaker 1: it's wrong, that maybe has been around somebody that's closely
27:16
Speaker 1: been affected bisexual assault. Uh, what can I do? How
27:22
Speaker 1: can I help? How can I relate? Um? How can
27:24
Speaker 1: I make sure that when I do send a message
27:27
Speaker 1: out there to say, hey, let's all be better, that
27:30
Speaker 1: it doesn't come from a place of of not understanding
27:33
Speaker 1: or unrelatability, but it comes from a place of for
27:35
Speaker 1: people like yourself to say, there's there's an ally, he's
27:39
Speaker 1: on my team, he's part of the good ones. I
27:42
Speaker 1: actually think your first statement was kind of the first
27:47
Speaker 1: step in all of that. Um. I think it's wonderful
27:51
Speaker 1: to hear a guy's day that he doesn't understand and
27:56
Speaker 1: he'll never know what that feels like, but he wants
27:59
Speaker 1: to Ry. I really do feel like that's the first step.
28:03
Speaker 1: I think that we all have to step out of
28:05
Speaker 1: our our gituations of not knowing how things go and
28:10
Speaker 1: wanting to immediately just or form an opinion and just saying,
28:16
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't get this, please tell me
28:18
Speaker 1: more about it. That really is the first step. Um,
28:23
Speaker 1: I think you've already kind of had experience with this,
28:26
Speaker 1: but just listening to their story and wanting to help
28:31
Speaker 1: them kiel through the trauma, I think that's all you
28:34
Speaker 1: can do. The there's obviously a thousand things here actually
28:39
Speaker 1: in this interview that I mean, we could talk about
28:41
Speaker 1: for hours, and um, there's there's some big lessons learned.
28:46
Speaker 1: I think through our scenario and and this Twitter exchange
28:49
Speaker 1: and how both of us were unable to fully comprehend
28:53
Speaker 1: each other's stories just by using Twitter. Something we talked
28:56
Speaker 1: about all the time on this podcast is the beauty
29:00
Speaker 1: the pros to social media, but also the cons for
29:04
Speaker 1: sure for you in in this kind of Twitter exchange
29:08
Speaker 1: with me and I don't just want to make this
29:11
Speaker 1: about me, because you know you and I have seen
29:14
Speaker 1: hopefully that we are on the same team. What are
29:17
Speaker 1: some of the lessons that you've learned and how you
29:19
Speaker 1: approach these situations from a distance. I think that in
29:26
Speaker 1: terms of this situation, I've learned that I I don't
29:30
Speaker 1: always have to be so aggressive. Um. I'm definitely someone
29:35
Speaker 1: who has never been scared to bring an uncomfortable element
29:40
Speaker 1: into my conversation, just because I do feel like a
29:44
Speaker 1: lot of times change does come from getting uncomfortable and
29:49
Speaker 1: really digging in deep. But I knew that I could
29:53
Speaker 1: be a little more aggressive than I said be um,
29:57
Speaker 1: and for us to really have of these types of
30:00
Speaker 1: conversations where people can learn a lot and can heal
30:05
Speaker 1: a lot. Uh, My, my rhetoric isn't always as useful
30:11
Speaker 1: as it could be, UM, if I'm just so aggressive
30:15
Speaker 1: out the gate. So I'm definitely going to work on that. UM.
30:20
Speaker 1: I I do want to be able to be as
30:24
Speaker 1: optimistic as you. UM. So that's something that I'm definitely
30:30
Speaker 1: taking from. Here's my conversation. Are many conversations that we've
30:34
Speaker 1: had Trent fists. UM. So, I mean, thank you at
30:38
Speaker 1: least for inspiring me to try to be better at
30:41
Speaker 1: that well, and and you know, we can pat each
30:44
Speaker 1: other back here because I want to thank you. And
30:46
Speaker 1: that's the final question before I let Ashley, because I
30:49
Speaker 1: know she probably has some stuff that she's holding onto
30:51
Speaker 1: that she wants to ask you. And I know our
30:54
Speaker 1: our producer hasn't maybe a couple of questions as well,
30:56
Speaker 1: and I want to open up the form to that.
30:57
Speaker 1: I also want to take this second to say that
30:59
Speaker 1: anybody out they're listening. UM, if you have any questions,
31:03
Speaker 1: if you need someone to talk to you, if you
31:05
Speaker 1: need somebody really relate with, please email us at Ben
31:08
Speaker 1: and Ashley. iHeart Meadia dot com. UM. I think we
31:12
Speaker 1: love to take it in your emails and your stories. Also,
31:15
Speaker 1: at the end of the pot into the segment, I'm
31:17
Speaker 1: gonna be pointing you to an organization that has a
31:19
Speaker 1: hotline you can call to talk to somebody. UM. Please
31:22
Speaker 1: listen to that. But actually, as I was saying, you know,
31:27
Speaker 1: I do seem to be um optimistic and my hope
31:31
Speaker 1: for humanity, but you also challenge me with a statement
31:35
Speaker 1: that said, Ben, you have a platform, speak on something, UM,
31:40
Speaker 1: directly stand for something and and don't throw big fluffy
31:43
Speaker 1: words around, and that that is a charge I want
31:45
Speaker 1: to take as well. It's hard on social media, but
31:47
Speaker 1: I want to do that. And so I want to
31:50
Speaker 1: pass that also over to you to say, what is
31:51
Speaker 1: your hope for Bachelor Nation. We have a lot of
31:53
Speaker 1: Bachelor fans listening. Bachelor Nation gets a massive following. There's
31:57
Speaker 1: a ton of responsibility with this following. Millions of people
32:01
Speaker 1: follows each year. What is your hope for the people
32:04
Speaker 1: that come off the show, that participate in the show,
32:06
Speaker 1: that have been on the show? Um, what do you
32:09
Speaker 1: hope they use their platforms for? Actually, I do think
32:16
Speaker 1: that people and batination tend to shy away from I
32:23
Speaker 1: don't even want to say political statements or kind of
32:31
Speaker 1: posting about politics, just because I think that they do
32:35
Speaker 1: have a lot of fear of losing followers or in
32:38
Speaker 1: some way that would affect their sponsorships or something like that.
32:43
Speaker 1: But I do think that you know, pretty much everyone
32:46
Speaker 1: is against rapes. I think that is something that we
32:49
Speaker 1: all can sign a light on. Uh, say that there
32:54
Speaker 1: are resources for anyone who has been through sexual assault
32:58
Speaker 1: or sexual abuse. Um, I is that that was highlighted
33:02
Speaker 1: more over the past couple of weeks. Um. You don't
33:06
Speaker 1: have to say that you're a Democrat or Republican, or
33:08
Speaker 1: a conservative or a liberal or anything like that. You
33:12
Speaker 1: can encourage more people to vote. You can use your
33:16
Speaker 1: platform for good in a way that doesn't just include
33:21
Speaker 1: how many followers we're going to gain or lose or
33:25
Speaker 1: prevent us from getting a sponsorship. Do you guys think
33:28
Speaker 1: that social media is a difficult place to have conversations
33:35
Speaker 1: like this because so much is misconstrued. I think that's
33:39
Speaker 1: one of my you know, in looking at your tweets
33:41
Speaker 1: and looking at the things that have happened on social media,
33:44
Speaker 1: it's a very hard place to really get into discussions
33:50
Speaker 1: like this, and they seem to go sideway. They're always
33:53
Speaker 1: hostile when they're done on social media. And what I
33:56
Speaker 1: wanted to say was just sitting back and listening to
33:59
Speaker 1: you guys talk. It's so incredible the difference between how
34:03
Speaker 1: calm and sensitive everyone is when they're actually talking, but
34:07
Speaker 1: when they're either texting or they're on Twitter, it just
34:10
Speaker 1: comes across in a completely different way because so much
34:13
Speaker 1: can get lost in the written word, but when you
34:16
Speaker 1: have tone and you're talking like this, it just comes
34:18
Speaker 1: across completely differently, and something's actually done, you know, you
34:22
Speaker 1: feel like something's been accomplished at the end of the conversation,
34:25
Speaker 1: not just fighting. So I just wanted to tell you
34:28
Speaker 1: guys how awesome it was just listening to you talk
34:31
Speaker 1: that out and I wanted to hear what you guys
34:33
Speaker 1: think about that. Yeah, I mean, I will definitely say
34:37
Speaker 1: I think I am very politically active on Twitter or Instagram. UM,
34:45
Speaker 1: I don't have the followings that y'all have, so I
34:48
Speaker 1: do try to have this conversation mostly because I can
34:52
Speaker 1: respond to all of them. I don't know if you
34:55
Speaker 1: all necessarily can, just because I mean, you have millions
34:59
Speaker 1: of followeris or hundreds of thousands of followers. I don't
35:02
Speaker 1: have anywhere close to that number. So I do try
35:06
Speaker 1: to do the most with my tiny platform, just because
35:09
Speaker 1: I do know that a lot of people that followed
35:12
Speaker 1: me UM like to have those conversations. Like I said,
35:19
Speaker 1: I do think a lot of things can get misconstrued
35:23
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and if I'm lucky enough like I was, within,
35:27
Speaker 1: we can continue those conversations and hopefully that's But as
35:31
Speaker 1: about you UM to these types of interactions, Actually, actually
35:36
Speaker 1: I wanted to switch gears a little bit and actually
35:38
Speaker 1: talk about your presence online because for somebody who hasn't
35:41
Speaker 1: been on a bachelor show for it hasn't been almost
35:44
Speaker 1: eight years now you actually have quite a presence online. Um,
35:48
Speaker 1: how have you gotten so involved and known? I know
35:51
Speaker 1: you've worked a little bit with Reality Steve, but it
35:53
Speaker 1: does seem like you've sort of become a bachelor investigative journalists. Um.
35:59
Speaker 1: You know that that investigative journalist stuff just happened by chance. Um.
36:05
Speaker 1: I don't know how I got this role. Um, but
36:09
Speaker 1: I will say one thing that I think I have
36:12
Speaker 1: always tried to do in that's when I said, kind
36:16
Speaker 1: of be like a truth teller. So after my season,
36:19
Speaker 1: I started a a recap blog kind of where I
36:23
Speaker 1: would kind of like lift the veil behind things that
36:26
Speaker 1: were going on, kind of things that people weren't necessarily seeing,
36:30
Speaker 1: or clue people in on like that you can get
36:33
Speaker 1: a bad edit or things like that. Because that didn't
36:35
Speaker 1: exist back when I was on the show. That's true.
36:38
Speaker 1: Did you call out production and stuff and did they
36:41
Speaker 1: come after you? Well, they hired me actually to do
36:45
Speaker 1: it for ABC dot Com. Um, I mean it was
36:49
Speaker 1: so different back then. Uh. And then kind of what
36:52
Speaker 1: happened is that I found out there was a male
36:56
Speaker 1: task member who was doing a recap that was much
36:59
Speaker 1: shorter in mind mind, I'm not kidding. Probably took like
37:02
Speaker 1: twelve hours where I was basically like, make a name
37:05
Speaker 1: out of all these pictures, um, and he was getting
37:08
Speaker 1: paid double what I was getting paid to write them,
37:11
Speaker 1: so I stopped. Um, it's fine because it does. It
37:15
Speaker 1: took up so much of my time anyway. UM. And
37:19
Speaker 1: then yeah, I've just I've tried to speak out on
37:23
Speaker 1: things I didn't love whenever Caitlin was but same during
37:27
Speaker 1: her season. I was very vocal about that. I I
37:30
Speaker 1: hated the racism that Rachel had to um injure. So
37:36
Speaker 1: I want to ask Ashley Spivey sort of a tough question,
37:39
Speaker 1: and I and I have mixed feelings on it because
37:42
Speaker 1: I can't see all the tweets, But you same, especially
37:46
Speaker 1: in this conversation, like you're really open to hearing another perspective,
37:50
Speaker 1: another side. And we got a lot of you know,
37:55
Speaker 1: um people reaching out to us that you block them
37:59
Speaker 1: on Twitter. So I'm more curious where you're where your
38:03
Speaker 1: thought processes is there because I'm hearing you say you
38:08
Speaker 1: want to have conversations and you want to be open
38:11
Speaker 1: and you want to have a dialogue going, and then
38:14
Speaker 1: the blocking seems to be the opposite of that. Oh,
38:18
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, I don't know if Astley and
38:21
Speaker 1: Ben has ever had this happened to them, and but
38:25
Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said about having an
38:27
Speaker 1: actual discussion. And then sometimes when people are definitely trolling
38:34
Speaker 1: or trying to be hurtful towards you or trying to
38:38
Speaker 1: say mess the things, sometimes it's just easier to block them. Yeah. No,
38:43
Speaker 1: I mean that's fair. I think some of the people
38:45
Speaker 1: that reached out to us don't feel that they were
38:48
Speaker 1: doing that, but I you know, I'm not in your
38:50
Speaker 1: head to know why you block a person over another,
38:54
Speaker 1: And we have had a lot of people come after us.
38:57
Speaker 1: And one of the things that I'm most proud of
38:58
Speaker 1: Ben and Ashley is they listen to it every time.
39:02
Speaker 1: They hear the people out every time. And so you know,
39:06
Speaker 1: that's just my two cents on that. You can do
39:08
Speaker 1: whatever you want. But I do think if we are
39:11
Speaker 1: going to really be open and making progress, we have
39:17
Speaker 1: to hear other people's perspectives for sure. I mean, I
39:22
Speaker 1: don't think that I've besides the blocking with I don't
39:26
Speaker 1: even think I have that many people blocked. And the
39:29
Speaker 1: only reason I know the number is because whenever Christie
39:33
Speaker 1: Pagan showed her block list. I think I may have
39:38
Speaker 1: posted mine or even said how many people I had blocked,
39:42
Speaker 1: because enough for it's not that great, Um, it's it's
39:46
Speaker 1: more so like I mean, there were probably some people
39:50
Speaker 1: from like the Morning Past group or something that had
39:55
Speaker 1: come after me and had said some things that I'm
39:59
Speaker 1: will to have conversations with people who are respectful and
40:05
Speaker 1: not trolling. And if people really did feel like they
40:08
Speaker 1: were coming to me with those conversations and I blocked them,
40:12
Speaker 1: I apologize for that, but I really do try to
40:17
Speaker 1: limit it to people who are being harmful in their
40:21
Speaker 1: comments or their tweets. Ben and actually have a question
40:25
Speaker 1: for both of you about trolls. Do you think that
40:29
Speaker 1: I've always been confused as to what to do with them.
40:32
Speaker 1: Should I block them and then just get them out
40:35
Speaker 1: of my life? Or does blocking them show that they've
40:38
Speaker 1: affected me so much? They've affected me that's exactly why
40:42
Speaker 1: I'm blocking them. Yeah, yeah, but then I feel like
40:46
Speaker 1: it almost gives them power, like oh I did my job. Yeah,
40:49
Speaker 1: I could care less if they felt power in that moment.
40:51
Speaker 1: I just don't want I don't this and actually I'm
40:54
Speaker 1: not speaking for you actually talk about it. I'll let
40:58
Speaker 1: you answer this, but I noticed that. Um well, even
41:02
Speaker 1: Ashley Spivy Geez called and I promise you would never
41:06
Speaker 1: bring it up a game, but she called me vanilla
41:09
Speaker 1: boring like and I hate that, Like it makes me
41:13
Speaker 1: so angry. I don't know why. And so when people
41:16
Speaker 1: do that, like it's almost like an automatic like I
41:18
Speaker 1: don't want to hear your opinion anymore. Um. And then
41:20
Speaker 1: you make a really good point there, and I think
41:22
Speaker 1: Ashley spoke to it. But again, my thing is stand
41:27
Speaker 1: strong on your opinions. But I, Ashley, I think your
41:30
Speaker 1: message gets lost when you do that, which I think
41:33
Speaker 1: you addressed. No, that's what I said. Like, I I
41:36
Speaker 1: know that my anger does not always manifest in the
41:40
Speaker 1: best of ways. And one of those things is sometimes
41:43
Speaker 1: I can get a little too fired up and say
41:45
Speaker 1: hurtful things like many people do when they're angry. Um.
41:49
Speaker 1: But I have apologized tip In for that and we've
41:52
Speaker 1: had a cop Hey, Ashley, this is also just a
41:56
Speaker 1: general question. I wonder if I do it too. Do
42:00
Speaker 1: you say those things if you were in front of
42:02
Speaker 1: your face or is that something that you just say
42:03
Speaker 1: because like he's a public figure and you're on on
42:06
Speaker 1: Twitter because obviously I talk about into my Cosmo blog
42:09
Speaker 1: and stuff. I will make fun of people because I
42:12
Speaker 1: haven't met them yet and I wouldn't say to their
42:14
Speaker 1: face in person, and then I meet them and I'm like,
42:15
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's so embarrassing, But like, what do
42:18
Speaker 1: you think? I have a couple of um instances of
42:22
Speaker 1: that with previous blotchlor season. Like I said in the
42:26
Speaker 1: Recat blog, I used to have I think I called
42:29
Speaker 1: like I think to call it down low like a
42:31
Speaker 1: vanilla gender or I even even said a couple of
42:37
Speaker 1: things about other people. And when I met them in
42:39
Speaker 1: first and they were like, we were ready to like
42:42
Speaker 1: hate you and think you were a total bit, but
42:45
Speaker 1: now you're like a little piece of dynamite, like with
42:50
Speaker 1: a Southern accent. It's I and I think it's funny
42:55
Speaker 1: because I was kind of wondering what y'all thought I
42:58
Speaker 1: was going to be like before I came on the podcast,
43:01
Speaker 1: and I'm starting thought I was going to be like
43:03
Speaker 1: super angry with like really mean, like scary voice or something.
43:08
Speaker 1: I did think you're going to have a scary voice.
43:10
Speaker 1: Then I came on, She's like, oh she is I
43:11
Speaker 1: thought it, sweetheart. I think you're exactly what you are.
43:15
Speaker 1: You're trying working hard to do what's right for you
43:19
Speaker 1: and figuring out how to do that. Yeah. Well, and
43:22
Speaker 1: I hope too. In terms of trying to do what's
43:26
Speaker 1: right for me. I'm an impass, so other people's feelings
43:32
Speaker 1: and her and suffering really affects me. So I'm always
43:37
Speaker 1: trying to do for other people. I mean, I'm a namy,
43:40
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, my my job is
43:44
Speaker 1: really to try to take care of other people. And
43:47
Speaker 1: I know probably the best expression of that was not
43:50
Speaker 1: what happened on Twitter, but it truly is my heart. Yeah, well,
43:55
Speaker 1: it ended up being used for good, and you were
43:58
Speaker 1: the catalyst to leving that happen. You reached out to me,
44:01
Speaker 1: you said, Hey, this doesn't seem like this is going
44:03
Speaker 1: in a direction on Twitter that is anywhere good or healthy?
44:06
Speaker 1: Can we talk? And h Ashley, I think Amy brings
44:10
Speaker 1: up a great point. Um, I've gotten to hear your story.
44:14
Speaker 1: You're you know, yeah, your story is UM. So many
44:18
Speaker 1: others out there that just haven't felt like they can
44:21
Speaker 1: share yet, and a lot of this does get lost
44:24
Speaker 1: in anger. And so I think a good takeaway from
44:27
Speaker 1: all of us listening to this and and me including
44:30
Speaker 1: even talking about is when we do confront these issues too,
44:33
Speaker 1: we can be angry and we can feel angry, but
44:36
Speaker 1: make sure we're communicating our message clearly and UM effectively
44:40
Speaker 1: every time with this, Ashley Spivy and I wanted to try.
44:44
Speaker 1: We we talked and we tried to figure out what
44:46
Speaker 1: we could do about this outside of just talking on
44:49
Speaker 1: this podcast. And so we thought there's a couple of
44:51
Speaker 1: organizations out there that are really in support of women, UM,
44:55
Speaker 1: that are in the support of just also hearing anybody's
44:58
Speaker 1: stories that are victims of sexual assault, because this is
45:01
Speaker 1: not just something that happens to women. Men are involved
45:05
Speaker 1: in as well. UM. And so I want to make
45:08
Speaker 1: sure to to highlight and ask anybody out there listening
45:11
Speaker 1: to donate UM to RAIN and that's spelled r AI
45:15
Speaker 1: and and actually has brought this network to my attention, UM,
45:19
Speaker 1: I want to tell you a little bit about it. RAIN,
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Speaker 1: the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network, is the nation's
45:24
Speaker 1: largest anti sexual violence organization. RAIN created and operates the
45:28
Speaker 1: National Sexual Assault Hotline eight hundred six five six HOPE.
45:33
Speaker 1: You can also visit them online at online dot reigin
45:36
Speaker 1: dot org. If you are a victim, if you haven't
45:44
Speaker 1: told your story, or maybe you have and you need
45:45
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody, please reach out to RAIN. Also,
45:48
Speaker 1: if you're out there listening and maybe you've been affected
45:50
Speaker 1: or you haven't been affected, considered donating to RAIN. UM.
45:54
Speaker 1: This is something that has affected so many and if
45:58
Speaker 1: I can get on my my soap boxed for a second,
46:04
Speaker 1: I again, I cannot imagine living a life or something
46:10
Speaker 1: so personal and something that affects all of us, no
46:14
Speaker 1: matter who you are or what your practices have been
46:17
Speaker 1: so much, and not tell your story or not feel
46:23
Speaker 1: like you have the opportunity to tell the story for
46:25
Speaker 1: anybody out there that has caused this pain on somebody.
46:36
Speaker 1: I hope you feel the heaviness and the way and
46:42
Speaker 1: the impact at which you're affecting lives and the worst
46:45
Speaker 1: of ways. And I also hope that there is a
46:50
Speaker 1: redemption and a redeeming quality to all of this. But
46:54
Speaker 1: none of us will be ever able to understand unless
46:58
Speaker 1: we start talking about it, and so start having these conversations.
47:03
Speaker 1: I hope you do not feel ashamed for anybody that's
47:06
Speaker 1: a victim. I need to talk to somebody please reach
47:09
Speaker 1: out this podcast and we will make sure to get
47:11
Speaker 1: you in contact with somebody. Actually, I know you, UM
47:16
Speaker 1: are going to highlight an organization as close and near
47:18
Speaker 1: and dear to my heart, and a lot of listeners
47:19
Speaker 1: know about it. UM, And I just want to give
47:21
Speaker 1: you kind of the last work, cause I know you
47:23
Speaker 1: have to get the work, UM on on anything you
47:26
Speaker 1: want to kind of finish up with. I don't know.
47:29
Speaker 1: I just I wanted to thank you for allowing me
47:33
Speaker 1: to come on the podcast and explain myself, and special
47:36
Speaker 1: thanks to Athlee and Amy because I know y'all were
47:40
Speaker 1: very happy with me. But I do hope that UM,
47:44
Speaker 1: through this talk, I've hopefully been able to change your
47:47
Speaker 1: mind a little bit definitely. And then, UM, like I said,
47:53
Speaker 1: Ben and I are going to donate to each other's
47:57
Speaker 1: cause that we brought to each other, UM, just because
48:02
Speaker 1: I do feel like this conversation was so productive and
48:07
Speaker 1: I wanted to do it as a joint effort of
48:10
Speaker 1: faith and the other person that I do appreciate Sin
48:14
Speaker 1: for what stands for, and I hope he appreciates me
48:19
Speaker 1: for at least what I've been willing to share with him.
48:22
Speaker 1: And I do hope that this talk will inspire other
48:26
Speaker 1: listeners to have those same types of conversations. So thank
48:30
Speaker 1: you all for having me only fantastic experiences listening to
48:35
Speaker 1: you guys. Thank you. Actually, actually, Spivey, never stand down.
48:41
Speaker 1: We can always become better at communicating. But I do
48:44
Speaker 1: appreciate you. And this has been one of the craziest
48:48
Speaker 1: weeks and a half of my life on learning and
48:52
Speaker 1: educating and figuring this out and also just knowing that
48:56
Speaker 1: you have a story to tell and all of this
48:58
Speaker 1: comes from a place of of a lot of her
49:01
Speaker 1: and so um, yeah, let's stand up together. And actually, Spivey,
49:05
Speaker 1: thanks for coming the podcast. I know it was a risk,
49:07
Speaker 1: but I hope you feel like it was fruitful. Thanks again,
49:12
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Then I do feel better. Actually, okay, wow,
49:22
Speaker 1: Actually this is the takeaway one of the takeaways that
49:25
Speaker 1: I have, um and I think we're seeing it today
49:28
Speaker 1: no matter and actually Spivey spoke on it. I know
49:32
Speaker 1: there's a lot of criticism out there on you know,
49:34
Speaker 1: we've dum sacred ized the Me Too movement. Too many
49:39
Speaker 1: people are claiming it. There's too many false accusations and
49:43
Speaker 1: I just have a hard time believing that. I just
49:46
Speaker 1: think there's a lot more victims than anybody ever realized. Um,
49:50
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have been affected by
49:52
Speaker 1: sexual assault, and I think it's shocking right now to
49:55
Speaker 1: the public when so many people are coming out and
49:57
Speaker 1: saying I've been hurt. But I also think there's an
49:59
Speaker 1: important less in there, and one that actually Spivy and
50:02
Speaker 1: I have spoken about is the me too movement is sacred.
50:05
Speaker 1: We have to hold it up and say when when
50:07
Speaker 1: you make a claim, it carries an impact and it
50:11
Speaker 1: carries a weight to it, right, And so in this
50:16
Speaker 1: day and age, as we communicate with each other, as
50:19
Speaker 1: we throw accusations at each other, we have to make
50:21
Speaker 1: sure that we're doing it in truth. And Ashley Spivey
50:23
Speaker 1: spoke on that this she wants to be a messenger
50:25
Speaker 1: of truth. And I think one of the hardest things
50:31
Speaker 1: that for me and this was that I was being
50:32
Speaker 1: compared to people that I know I don't ever want
50:35
Speaker 1: to be compared with her, I know that are not
50:37
Speaker 1: on my team, and that got scary for me. And
50:39
Speaker 1: it was also it really did get scary for me
50:42
Speaker 1: because I felt like there was something that was so
50:45
Speaker 1: near and dear to my heart a topic that was
50:48
Speaker 1: affected me closely, um, that I was now being associated
50:52
Speaker 1: with and I couldn't have a chance to control. So
50:54
Speaker 1: I think what I'm trying to say is for anybody
50:55
Speaker 1: out there listening, speak up, talk about it, share the truth,
51:00
Speaker 1: but make sure you're communicating in truth, and make sure
51:03
Speaker 1: you're hearing people's stories for first, there's an empathy level
51:06
Speaker 1: that needs to be brought into this to listen, to trust,
51:09
Speaker 1: and to know. And so yeah, um, I appreciate Ashley Spivey.
51:15
Speaker 1: I really do. I didn't last week. I like her too,
51:19
Speaker 1: because I think she's trying and I respect anybody that's
51:25
Speaker 1: making an effort. I think what she's experiencing as is
51:28
Speaker 1: learning as she goes on how to do that in
51:33
Speaker 1: the right way, and I think she makes missteps all
51:36
Speaker 1: the time. Well, I mean this was this is definitely
51:39
Speaker 1: a step in the right direction. Though it was so different. Yeah,
51:43
Speaker 1: it's so different hearing her talk to you vocally, not
51:47
Speaker 1: through the computer screen. I agree, I I think I
51:50
Speaker 1: completely agree. It's just a lot, honestly, it's a lot
51:53
Speaker 1: less intimidating. It's it feels a lot less uncontrollable because
51:57
Speaker 1: as we're bouting back and forth at each other on Twitter.
52:01
Speaker 1: Explanations really aren't getting heard. Stories are not getting heard. Um.
52:05
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of lessons to be learned here.
52:08
Speaker 1: But I was angry at Ashley last week. I mean,
52:11
Speaker 1: she was my worst enemy about a week and a
52:14
Speaker 1: half ago, and and now she's somebody that I'm I'm
52:17
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna always learn from. UM. So again, please
52:22
Speaker 1: donate to RAIN. I will be donating to RAIN. The
52:26
Speaker 1: hotline is eight hundred six five six dot Hope. Also,
52:30
Speaker 1: Ashley Spivey will be donating to Heman and Hope United,
52:34
Speaker 1: which is a nonprofit that focuses on alleviating human injustice
52:38
Speaker 1: and Honduras and building successful, standable communities. And one of
52:42
Speaker 1: the ways they do that is by empowering women and
52:45
Speaker 1: by supplying jobs for over of the women in these
52:48
Speaker 1: communities that they work with. So I don't know, it's heavy, um,
52:54
Speaker 1: but we've talked about it and I think, Uh, the
52:58
Speaker 1: only way that we will continue to in front this
53:00
Speaker 1: issue is to have open and honest dialogue with that Actuley,
53:04
Speaker 1: We've got a big podcast ahead of us, man, Uh,
53:07
Speaker 1: it's gonna be weird to just jump into another conversation now,
53:11
Speaker 1: but you go, we gotta do it. It is hard
53:12
Speaker 1: to transition, um, but it's not hard to transition when
53:15
Speaker 1: you're transitioning to something so good, right, so positive. We're
53:22
Speaker 1: gonna be talking at Tannard Tilbert here coming up very soon.
53:25
Speaker 1: I might be more angry at Tanner Tilbert and you
53:27
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56:25
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56:28
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59:20
Speaker 1: definitely doing that. I would love to do that. I would.
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Speaker 1: I just think that sounds awesome. Um. I think I'm
59:24
Speaker 1: gonna just like step out of here, so angry, I
59:28
Speaker 1: step out the podcast. Let you and Tanner have your
59:31
Speaker 1: moment um because I don't feel welcomed anymore. Oh my god. Okay,
59:36
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59:38
Speaker 1: on the line. Hi Tanner, Hello, Hi, So we just
59:43
Speaker 1: spent four days together in Puerto Rico. It was the
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Speaker 1: And on this vacation, Jared posted an instagram that I
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Speaker 1: thought people already knew. I thought you already knew what
1:00:09
Speaker 1: was in the captain of this instagram, but I guess
1:00:11
Speaker 1: they didn't. Um, you will be officiating our wedding next August.
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Speaker 1: And this is something that we've joked about for like
1:00:19
Speaker 1: like ever since Jared and I got engaged, right, oh yeah,
1:00:22
Speaker 1: maybe even before that. I know I think so too,
1:00:26
Speaker 1: But apparently I've made a boo boo and I may
1:00:29
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1:00:32
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1:00:36
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1:00:41
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1:00:45
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1:00:48
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1:00:54
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1:00:58
Speaker 1: it's just that Ared's decision. It's no, it's not Jared's decision.
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1:01:05
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1:01:08
Speaker 1: My relationship with Jared has completely evolved and unfolded and
1:01:12
Speaker 1: blossomed in front of Tanner Tilbert's eyes. He is closer
1:01:16
Speaker 1: to it than anyone other than our parents are family.
1:01:20
Speaker 1: It happened because of Tanner. I love Ben, God bless you. Ben.
1:01:24
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1:01:32
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1:01:36
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1:01:41
Speaker 1: So Tanner is responsible for what is Ashley and Jared
1:01:46
Speaker 1: all right Tanner? Yeah, yeah, Ben, don't be don't be
1:01:49
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1:01:50
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1:01:52
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1:01:56
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1:01:58
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1:02:03
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1:02:12
Speaker 1: It's going to allow me to laugh through my tears
1:02:15
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1:02:18
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1:02:21
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1:02:22
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1:02:24
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1:02:27
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1:02:30
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1:02:33
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1:02:35
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1:02:39
Speaker 1: and soul to you. And what was before you even
1:02:42
Speaker 1: spoke to Jared as he was saying the words, if
1:02:45
Speaker 1: I think I love Ashley? What was going through your mind?
1:02:49
Speaker 1: So I had dreamt of that moment for like two years.
1:02:53
Speaker 1: That couple, yea, I know it is, but Jared, after that,
1:02:56
Speaker 1: that couple, that was like we traveled well together and
1:02:59
Speaker 1: there were a couple that we like, the guy and
1:03:01
Speaker 1: the girl equal, and that's that's the Ray I want
1:03:03
Speaker 1: to have within a marriage if you actually like both people,
1:03:06
Speaker 1: not just the guy like the guy, girl like the girl,
1:03:08
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. So I feltishly was
1:03:11
Speaker 1: rooting for this, for this relationship to work out for
1:03:13
Speaker 1: about two years, just for my own needy reasons to
1:03:17
Speaker 1: have you know, traveling studdies. But I didn't think it
1:03:20
Speaker 1: would actually happen. But I was always in their corner.
1:03:23
Speaker 1: And then, um, I knew the moment when Jared decided
1:03:27
Speaker 1: to come to Saint Lucian's just for like eighteen hour
1:03:31
Speaker 1: you know, an eighteen hour period. He didn't even have
1:03:33
Speaker 1: to tell me. He didn't. He didn't. He waited to
1:03:35
Speaker 1: tell me till we got down there. But I know,
1:03:38
Speaker 1: no guys gonna travel, you know, to eight hour flights
1:03:42
Speaker 1: and over the span of eighteen hours, unless there's a
1:03:44
Speaker 1: girl involved like that just doesn't. That just doesn't happen.
1:03:47
Speaker 1: So as soon as you got here, there's as the
1:03:49
Speaker 1: guts there. He pulled me aside, asked me to low
1:03:51
Speaker 1: down because I've already kind of talked to Astley about it.
1:03:54
Speaker 1: Gary spilled his guts and the rest of history. Man, Yeah,
1:03:58
Speaker 1: it's a good story. Tanner was there when we first met.
1:04:01
Speaker 1: He was there when we had friend fights about why
1:04:06
Speaker 1: we were just friends, and then he was there as
1:04:09
Speaker 1: Jared's confidante when it was time to tell his real feelings. So,
1:04:14
Speaker 1: come on, you have to understand why she's gotta be
1:04:16
Speaker 1: are officient. I can't be that man. Now I'm good,
1:04:19
Speaker 1: I've gotten over it. I was just excited. I I
1:04:21
Speaker 1: support you. Also, I just feel like Tanner's one up me.
1:04:24
Speaker 1: You know, he gets Jade, he gets the baby, gets
1:04:27
Speaker 1: the You don't even want to know what he want.
1:04:30
Speaker 1: On fan Dueling yesterday, then Tannery had a big week
1:04:35
Speaker 1: I have it was a very good Sunday. Tiler Household.
1:04:38
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, everything's happened in the Tilber household. Hey,
1:04:42
Speaker 1: for any of the fans listening, Tanner Tilbert was I
1:04:45
Speaker 1: think one of the most beloved people that I've ever
1:04:48
Speaker 1: seen in a house uh full of main competing for
1:04:51
Speaker 1: one woman. So when we were on Caitlin season The
1:04:53
Speaker 1: bachelorret everybody loved Tanner Tilbert. Everybody loved Jared also, It's
1:04:57
Speaker 1: just like they kind of were like two in one
1:05:00
Speaker 1: um and Tanner Tilbert was one of the guys. There
1:05:04
Speaker 1: was a lot of us at the end of Tanna.
1:05:06
Speaker 1: I want to kind of go back to this moment
1:05:07
Speaker 1: we're standing in Ireland on the night that you got
1:05:10
Speaker 1: asked to go home. I remember we're all standing there
1:05:13
Speaker 1: after this long journey with Caitlin, and I was one
1:05:17
Speaker 1: of these guys, but I think there's three of us
1:05:19
Speaker 1: that started tear up knowing that one of our close
1:05:21
Speaker 1: friends were going to be going home that evening, and
1:05:23
Speaker 1: it was really sad, but the romance was real. Yeah,
1:05:28
Speaker 1: I honestly had a figure. I had a play a
1:05:30
Speaker 1: bigger connection with you that and I did with Caitlin.
1:05:33
Speaker 1: Tough moment. Tough moment for me for sure. I mean
1:05:37
Speaker 1: Jared did kind of have that role that season. Um
1:05:40
Speaker 1: just kind of where we kept hanging around and obviously
1:05:42
Speaker 1: there admitted a little further than I. But yeah, yeah,
1:05:46
Speaker 1: that the love was real between us, bros. I didn't
1:05:49
Speaker 1: even really know Kalen, but I knew you pretty well. Yeah,
1:05:52
Speaker 1: we knew each other very well. But everybody in the house,
1:05:55
Speaker 1: all the men loved loved you you also, And then
1:05:58
Speaker 1: I know Ashley wants to dig into her lationship and
1:06:00
Speaker 1: I think it's important that we do. But there is
1:06:02
Speaker 1: this interesting did you ever kiss Caitlin. I did not
1:06:05
Speaker 1: on camera. It's just for you know, just for my
1:06:08
Speaker 1: memory at this point America America didn't think that I did,
1:06:12
Speaker 1: but you know I laid it on her a couple
1:06:14
Speaker 1: of times. That's for another story. Yeah, I think I
1:06:19
Speaker 1: think all the guys in the house just because they
1:06:21
Speaker 1: knew I was no threat to their relationship with Calan,
1:06:24
Speaker 1: So that's easy to be like every week. Tanner was
1:06:29
Speaker 1: shocked that he made it through. He's like, wait, what
1:06:31
Speaker 1: she called my name again? This is just wrong for sure.
1:06:36
Speaker 1: Uh um, Hey, tell me about your your last vacation.
1:06:39
Speaker 1: You went to Puerto Rico together here last week? Yeah, Tim,
1:06:42
Speaker 1: do we have any stories to share other than just
1:06:44
Speaker 1: the fact that it was lovely. The thing that I
1:06:46
Speaker 1: love about Jane Tanner is that we can sit down
1:06:49
Speaker 1: to like two meals, like to two hour meals every
1:06:52
Speaker 1: day and we never run out of things to say.
1:06:55
Speaker 1: We talked the entire time, and they're the friends that
1:06:58
Speaker 1: you don't go back to the hotel invent about. You're
1:07:01
Speaker 1: just like, wow, I love them. Wow. I could actually
1:07:03
Speaker 1: spend every hour together with them exactly. We feel the
1:07:08
Speaker 1: same way. So yeah, there's not really stories now that
1:07:11
Speaker 1: we're both like you, I'm married or engaged couples. Nothing
1:07:14
Speaker 1: cool happens anymore. I go to dinner and go to sleep.
1:07:19
Speaker 1: There's no there's no juicy stories like there were back
1:07:22
Speaker 1: and you know the Creatuared Nashally together all yeah, nothing,
1:07:27
Speaker 1: nothing that comes to mind, right. Actually, we watched some
1:07:30
Speaker 1: HD HDTV together. That's what we do on This is
1:07:33
Speaker 1: the most exciting. Like we actually we went back to
1:07:37
Speaker 1: our hotel rooms by ten thirty and we're like, yeah,
1:07:40
Speaker 1: it is about house Hunters time. And then we were
1:07:42
Speaker 1: texting each other from our respective rooms about Hunters. Tanner,
1:07:48
Speaker 1: I'm very very interested. Has the dynamic between Ashley and
1:07:52
Speaker 1: Jared changed. I mean obviously a little bit like they're affectionate,
1:07:56
Speaker 1: but have have have you felt a drastic change now
1:07:59
Speaker 1: that they're engaged compared to before when they were just friends? Um,
1:08:04
Speaker 1: I mean they're they still act like they acted like
1:08:06
Speaker 1: best friends before because they were, and they still act
1:08:09
Speaker 1: like best friends just now. Jared is just just constantly
1:08:12
Speaker 1: kissing like Ashley's shoulder instead of sitting on opf the
1:08:15
Speaker 1: side of the table. He doesn't get off of me.
1:08:18
Speaker 1: I'm not Jared. Jared is very high and the whole
1:08:20
Speaker 1: pd I train or pd A train. Who have thought, Like, really,
1:08:25
Speaker 1: go back nine months and who would have believed you
1:08:27
Speaker 1: if you said, like, oh, yeah, Jared can't keep his
1:08:30
Speaker 1: hands up Ashley. Nobody. I remember when you guys were
1:08:33
Speaker 1: both single and when we were in the Bahamas and
1:08:34
Speaker 1: I was like begging him to go kiss you, yeah
1:08:37
Speaker 1: for Instagram. I don't know. Yeah, I was like, I
1:08:40
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I don't know. Not now forwards two
1:08:43
Speaker 1: years later, the dude can't keep his hands off of you.
1:08:47
Speaker 1: Did you change like perfumer or something, ash No. His
1:08:51
Speaker 1: pheromones have quite an effect on me though. I just
1:08:54
Speaker 1: love his natural smell, Like his face smells so good
1:08:57
Speaker 1: to me. I don't know, it's weird, but yeah, Tanner
1:09:02
Speaker 1: and Jade and Emmy. Emmy was the best on this trip,
1:09:04
Speaker 1: you guys. She isn't a little adult now, she cried.
1:09:08
Speaker 1: I think I saw like water come out of her
1:09:10
Speaker 1: eyes once in four days and we were doing adult
1:09:14
Speaker 1: stuff like going to fancy dinners and touring around old
1:09:17
Speaker 1: San Juan, and she was so good and she's starting
1:09:20
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit. This one time and she
1:09:22
Speaker 1: said dad, Dad, Like we literally flipped out. Yeah, there's
1:09:25
Speaker 1: the year. The year is kind of the sweet spot.
1:09:27
Speaker 1: So when you guys have kids, don't even bother traveling.
1:09:30
Speaker 1: That first year's not worth it. But after that year,
1:09:33
Speaker 1: if everything gets much easier, Yeah, tell us about Emmy.
1:09:37
Speaker 1: You know, Tanner, I get to see it on Instagram
1:09:39
Speaker 1: and and you and Jade both post these loving pictures
1:09:42
Speaker 1: of your beautiful daughter. But for anybody out there listening,
1:09:45
Speaker 1: they're huge fans of you and Jade. You and Jade
1:09:47
Speaker 1: have made your mark on baschelination. Uh, talk about a
1:09:50
Speaker 1: little bit about where you guys are at as a couple.
1:09:52
Speaker 1: And then how am you doing? I mean, you're doing good.
1:09:55
Speaker 1: You just turned fourteen months. She has not walked yet,
1:09:58
Speaker 1: but she's a little behind on the we're working on that.
1:10:03
Speaker 1: Jade and I have been trying to see baby number
1:10:05
Speaker 1: two for a few months now and we opulation period
1:10:10
Speaker 1: last days. You know what that means, Well, they can't
1:10:16
Speaker 1: get pregnant before the wedding. There's is it's like funny
1:10:19
Speaker 1: because they have to stop trying in December. They can't.
1:10:22
Speaker 1: They can't do it in December when she's opulating, because
1:10:26
Speaker 1: then she wouldn't be able to come to the wedding, right, Yeah,
1:10:30
Speaker 1: we can't have that. We can't have to do days then,
1:10:32
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty much I got late this week. This
1:10:38
Speaker 1: is really the last month they can do it because
1:10:41
Speaker 1: she was at eight months. She had Emmy at eight months,
1:10:44
Speaker 1: so you know, just really skip November in December for us. Yeah,
1:10:47
Speaker 1: though I might be celibant until January. Garrett, all right, well, Tander,
1:10:56
Speaker 1: we've gotta let you go. Thank you so much, um,
1:10:58
Speaker 1: and hopefully we have you in here soon talking about
1:11:02
Speaker 1: the preparations for what you're gonna say. Alright, talk to
1:11:07
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1:11:12
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1:11:19
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1:11:23
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1:11:27
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1:11:31
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1:11:33
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1:11:36
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1:11:40
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1:11:43
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1:11:46
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1:11:48
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1:11:51
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1:11:54
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Speaker 1: we have a couple of questions. We're gonna finish the podcast.
1:14:13
Speaker 1: Jordan's and Jenna Also, Wills has disappeared. What a Bachelor
1:14:19
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1:14:23
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1:14:26
Speaker 1: famous podcast Julian, Hello, how are you? Hey? Jillian? You're
1:14:32
Speaker 1: a fan of the podcast and a lawyer, so we thought,
1:14:34
Speaker 1: how perfect would it be to have you on and
1:14:36
Speaker 1: talk about the legality of this Jordan's and Jenna drama.
1:14:40
Speaker 1: Give us your perspective. It's great to talk to you both. Um.
1:14:45
Speaker 1: I was actually listening to the last podcast and I
1:14:48
Speaker 1: heard Ben talking about this, and I thought to myself,
1:14:50
Speaker 1: would be great to provide a little bit of clarity
1:14:54
Speaker 1: as to what's been going on. M So I've been
1:14:56
Speaker 1: following the story. I watched Bachelor and Power at Dice
1:15:00
Speaker 1: than I was really um, kind of captivated by this
1:15:03
Speaker 1: dispute between the two of them, and UM, you know,
1:15:07
Speaker 1: in terms of this forensic report, that was really what
1:15:10
Speaker 1: stood out to me. UM. You know, three pages long.
1:15:13
Speaker 1: I feel like the average person doesn't even want to
1:15:15
Speaker 1: read through the whole thing. UM, but I wanted to
1:15:17
Speaker 1: sort of explain how these things happen. So, you know,
1:15:21
Speaker 1: usually when there's a legal dispute and there are two
1:15:25
Speaker 1: very different versions of what happened, a law firm will
1:15:29
Speaker 1: go ahead and hire a company like Protest three, which
1:15:32
Speaker 1: is too Jenna's law firm hired UM, and their jobs,
1:15:36
Speaker 1: just so we're clear, is not to provide a neutral
1:15:40
Speaker 1: report of the analysis of whatever they're looking at. Um.
1:15:44
Speaker 1: They're hired by the law firm that was hired by Jenna,
1:15:48
Speaker 1: and their job is to figure out a way to
1:15:52
Speaker 1: support her story. UM. So just just so we're clear
1:15:56
Speaker 1: on that they're not neutral, they're they're kind of coming
1:15:58
Speaker 1: at it with a bias because they're being paid by
1:16:00
Speaker 1: a certain side, and ideally the report should the purpose
1:16:05
Speaker 1: of it should be to clear her name. UM. And
1:16:08
Speaker 1: what I found really interesting is that even with that
1:16:12
Speaker 1: being the case, I don't think they even came close
1:16:15
Speaker 1: to clearing her name. Um. And that really says a
1:16:18
Speaker 1: lot because that's their job, and so the fact that
1:16:20
Speaker 1: they weren't able to do that, I don't think is
1:16:23
Speaker 1: really great for Jenna's story. Um. But at the same time,
1:16:27
Speaker 1: I think that the purpose of her releasing this report
1:16:31
Speaker 1: was with the goal of clearing herself. UM. And I
1:16:35
Speaker 1: feel like maybe the average person might read this and
1:16:37
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, become suspicious of Jordan's But if
1:16:41
Speaker 1: you look at the report, clearly there are certain things
1:16:44
Speaker 1: in there that sort of were red flags to me. Um,
1:16:49
Speaker 1: you know. And I think the biggest thing that I
1:16:51
Speaker 1: noticed is that, uh, you know, if you look on
1:16:53
Speaker 1: the first page of the report, they talked about the
1:16:56
Speaker 1: fact that there were only two D sixty nine recovered
1:16:59
Speaker 1: deleted text messages, and that seemed like a very low
1:17:02
Speaker 1: number to me. Uh, there were all in all pool
1:17:06
Speaker 1: there were about text messages and only two D sixty
1:17:10
Speaker 1: nine recover text messages that were deleted. And the phone
1:17:14
Speaker 1: that she had, if I am right, I think that phone,
1:17:16
Speaker 1: the iPhone six, was released in two thousand fourteen, so
1:17:20
Speaker 1: that's a pretty old phone and I just think it's odd.
1:17:24
Speaker 1: Where are the rest of the deleted text messages, and
1:17:27
Speaker 1: if you look at the last page and then you
1:17:28
Speaker 1: pointed this out that really there's this huge disclaimer at
1:17:31
Speaker 1: the end thing, you know, we we can only really
1:17:34
Speaker 1: review what we have. You know, we don't really know
1:17:38
Speaker 1: what happened here. That's kind of what the end of
1:17:40
Speaker 1: this letter says. And the truth is, if they don't
1:17:43
Speaker 1: have all of her text messages, there's really no there's
1:17:46
Speaker 1: nothing about this report that's helpful. It doesn't really say anything.
1:17:50
Speaker 1: It's a whole bunch of speculation. Who reviews this then?
1:17:54
Speaker 1: So the report gets put out there, I mean, it's
1:17:57
Speaker 1: this whole thing is under investigation by I would imagine,
1:18:02
Speaker 1: But what a judge in whatever district this has been claimed, like,
1:18:05
Speaker 1: who's reviewing these reports? Now? Okay, that's a great question.
1:18:10
Speaker 1: So usually a report like this is created with the
1:18:14
Speaker 1: idea that the case is going to trial, that someone
1:18:17
Speaker 1: is filing a lawsuit, and usually there's a battle of
1:18:21
Speaker 1: the expert. So Jenna would have her report and Jordan's
1:18:25
Speaker 1: or reality Steve would have their own report. Depending on
1:18:28
Speaker 1: who she's doing, they would probably hire their own expert,
1:18:31
Speaker 1: and then this goes in front of a judge or
1:18:33
Speaker 1: a jury and really it comes down to who the
1:18:38
Speaker 1: person who's trying the case believes. Because this would be
1:18:42
Speaker 1: a civil case, you don't have to prove who's right
1:18:45
Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt. There's a much lower burden. So
1:18:48
Speaker 1: really it's is the question is who do you believe more?
1:18:51
Speaker 1: It's really who do you believe is telling the truth?
1:18:55
Speaker 1: Who's more likely to be telling the truth? And my
1:18:58
Speaker 1: personal takeaway from this, usually with an expert report, at
1:19:02
Speaker 1: the end of the report you'll have a conclusion, and
1:19:05
Speaker 1: the conclusion will say, you know, we've concluded within a
1:19:09
Speaker 1: reasonable degree of scientific certainty that in this case, Jenna
1:19:14
Speaker 1: did not send these text messages. You'll notice in this
1:19:17
Speaker 1: report it doesn't say anything close to that, nothing like that.
1:19:21
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm almost surprised that she released the report,
1:19:25
Speaker 1: and the report itself is so weak to me that
1:19:28
Speaker 1: I doubt she'll ever take this to court because this report,
1:19:31
Speaker 1: I don't feel really helps her. So I think what
1:19:34
Speaker 1: she was trying to do, if I had to guess,
1:19:37
Speaker 1: is hire a company that usually you would use if
1:19:40
Speaker 1: you're going to file a lawsuit, But she hired them
1:19:43
Speaker 1: specifically to clear her name uh to the public, just
1:19:47
Speaker 1: to make herself the innocent and then move forward field
1:19:51
Speaker 1: bait and switch. So she's hoping that this release is
1:19:54
Speaker 1: going to look like she didn't do it, but in
1:19:57
Speaker 1: a lawyer's eyes, it looks even more like you did it. Yes,
1:20:02
Speaker 1: exactly what who exactly is she suing? I heard Amy
1:20:06
Speaker 1: kind of asking the background there, and I think it's
1:20:09
Speaker 1: the question that we've all had because the report mentions
1:20:11
Speaker 1: Jordan's name but also claims that Reality Steve is at
1:20:14
Speaker 1: the head of this. It's Reality Steve that she's suing. Correct,
1:20:18
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I haven't heard that she's
1:20:20
Speaker 1: doing anybody. And when she posted this, she wrote onward
1:20:24
Speaker 1: and upward, which I took to mean that she's trying
1:20:26
Speaker 1: to walk away from it. If she did try to
1:20:29
Speaker 1: do I would imagine she would se both Reality Steve
1:20:33
Speaker 1: and Jordan's um. And then the question is, you know,
1:20:36
Speaker 1: how can she prove her case? So typically in a
1:20:39
Speaker 1: defamation case, you have to prove that what's being said
1:20:42
Speaker 1: about you is false. Um. But worse than that for
1:20:46
Speaker 1: her is you know, the question becomes is she a
1:20:48
Speaker 1: public figure or not? So if she is, sorry, she
1:20:53
Speaker 1: is a public figure, right, So I mean it's It's
1:20:56
Speaker 1: interesting because if she's a publish figure, which I would
1:21:00
Speaker 1: think she wants people to think of her as a
1:21:01
Speaker 1: public figure, um, the burden is a lot higher. So
1:21:06
Speaker 1: when you're a public figure and you're trying to prove
1:21:08
Speaker 1: that someone disamed you, you have to prove it when
1:21:11
Speaker 1: they said what they said about you, they knew what
1:21:14
Speaker 1: they were saying was fault or they completely disregarded the truth.
1:21:19
Speaker 1: It's hard to win, right, very hard. It's a lot
1:21:23
Speaker 1: harder than if she was, you know, just a regular person.
1:21:26
Speaker 1: So I personally wouldn't think she's going to do I mean,
1:21:31
Speaker 1: I just I can't imagine that she would. But you
1:21:34
Speaker 1: never know. This whole thing is just blown up to
1:21:37
Speaker 1: something that I don't still don't understand, Like it's not good,
1:21:41
Speaker 1: you know, I don't like that anybody is getting Australis
1:21:44
Speaker 1: and criticized for this. But it's a breakup, Like why
1:21:48
Speaker 1: do we have to continue to drag this along? You're
1:21:50
Speaker 1: in the reality television world. People are going to talk
1:21:52
Speaker 1: about your breakup like that just happens all the time.
1:21:56
Speaker 1: Why would I go out there and try to sue
1:21:58
Speaker 1: every single publication that talked about Lauren and I breaking up.
1:22:02
Speaker 1: That seems like a big waste of my time. I
1:22:04
Speaker 1: think if the goal here is for her to repair
1:22:07
Speaker 1: her public image, she should just leave it with this
1:22:11
Speaker 1: report and walk away, because I don't really think it's
1:22:14
Speaker 1: going to be good for her to keep pursuing this.
1:22:17
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's really going to go anywhere
1:22:19
Speaker 1: that's positive for her. I agree, I agree. Hey, thank
1:22:22
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on talking about this. This
1:22:24
Speaker 1: is something as you heard last week as you listen
1:22:26
Speaker 1: to the podcast, I didn't quite understand. I don't know
1:22:29
Speaker 1: if I ever really actually wanted to understand it, but
1:22:31
Speaker 1: now you really helped me. You really helped me understand it.
1:22:35
Speaker 1: Thanks for emailing the podcast. It's crazy. Email our podcast.
1:22:38
Speaker 1: You said, Hey, I have some insight into this, and
1:22:40
Speaker 1: as a result, now you're educating to both of us.
1:22:43
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on them. And I
1:22:46
Speaker 1: want to say I thought you did a pretty good
1:22:48
Speaker 1: job of explaining it, So goodated your effort. Absolutely try hard.
1:22:56
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks guys, it was great talking to you.
1:22:59
Speaker 1: Thanks Jane. We'll have you on call for our next
1:23:01
Speaker 1: legal issue in Bachelor Nation. Take care alright, Well, Wills
1:23:08
Speaker 1: has disappeared. Yeah, that was gonna say we have another
1:23:11
Speaker 1: mystery on our hands. Yeah, before we go here, Um,
1:23:14
Speaker 1: this has been what we just talk to you for
1:23:16
Speaker 1: a second. The off season is usually so slow and
1:23:20
Speaker 1: so boring, and then we have to come up with
1:23:22
Speaker 1: crazy little segments like ben Bitches and we still have
1:23:24
Speaker 1: that on taple. We we're going at a time because
1:23:27
Speaker 1: there's so much happening this year. When it comes to
1:23:29
Speaker 1: the almost famous podcast in Bachelor Nation, Ashley tell us
1:23:33
Speaker 1: about Wills where do You Go? So it was brought
1:23:36
Speaker 1: to our attention today by producer Amy that they've been
1:23:39
Speaker 1: talking in the almost famous Facebook group about the disappearance
1:23:43
Speaker 1: of Wills. Um. Wills is of course from Becca season
1:23:48
Speaker 1: and then this past season to Bachelor in Paradise, and
1:23:50
Speaker 1: he hasn't posted anything on Instagram for the past month,
1:23:55
Speaker 1: which I would be like, okay, so maybe he just
1:23:57
Speaker 1: doesn't want to take part in the whole Instagram world
1:23:59
Speaker 1: of the match like that. That's totally fine. Yeah, I
1:24:03
Speaker 1: mean maybe maybe he was feeling defeated. Maybe you feel
1:24:05
Speaker 1: like it wasn't getting enough attention on there, so he's like, okay,
1:24:07
Speaker 1: I give up. But then things got really weird when
1:24:09
Speaker 1: I texted this morning and I said, hey, it's Ashley. I.
1:24:12
Speaker 1: We were wondering if you wanted to come on the
1:24:14
Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast. And it's been three hours and he
1:24:17
Speaker 1: hasn't responded. Delivered it says delivered. I think that he is,
1:24:21
Speaker 1: you know, maybe kidnapped. He's on a show. Oh my god,
1:24:26
Speaker 1: you're so right. That could be spoiling. Did you know that? No,
1:24:32
Speaker 1: but I guarantee that happens. Like all these guys come
1:24:34
Speaker 1: on the show now and they get called like EMPTV
1:24:36
Speaker 1: the Challenge, or they get called on some other dating
1:24:38
Speaker 1: show like Marriage boot Camp, when all of a sudden
1:24:41
Speaker 1: they have a secret you then they disappear again. So
1:24:45
Speaker 1: I guarantee, goodness. Do you think Ben is in the
1:24:49
Speaker 1: c I A but it delivered And normally their phones
1:24:52
Speaker 1: are off Renaissance man, I wear a lot of hats
1:24:54
Speaker 1: amy really clever, clever move that I did not think
1:24:58
Speaker 1: of their Yeah, So I mean it's it's interesting that
1:25:01
Speaker 1: the text delivered. You know what he's on? Probably what
1:25:05
Speaker 1: was that show that was airing after Jersey? Sure that Uma? Yeah?
1:25:12
Speaker 1: What was excellent? Ex on the Beach. He's on excea
1:25:16
Speaker 1: career move, terrific career move. Nothing is better than going
1:25:20
Speaker 1: on X on the beach to really enhance your public image.
1:25:22
Speaker 1: Let's see if he hits back, because some people, not
1:25:25
Speaker 1: Ashley or me, don't respond to text so quickly. Like
1:25:30
Speaker 1: man Bennet hit pretty good. But sometimes he disappears for
1:25:35
Speaker 1: a day. But like, I'm right back to you. So
1:25:37
Speaker 1: if you don't get right back to oh my god,
1:25:41
Speaker 1: you have to at some point in the day. I
1:25:46
Speaker 1: just put my phone away, So it's all good. Hey,
1:25:49
Speaker 1: Will just disappeared. Um. Ashley Spivey uh showed up big
1:25:54
Speaker 1: and came on the podcast to tell her story. We
1:25:56
Speaker 1: have insight into Jordan and Jenna Tannard told told my
1:25:59
Speaker 1: arching sist comes on the podcast talk about Ashley and
1:26:02
Speaker 1: Jared and their love story. It's actually something I love.
1:26:04
Speaker 1: I don't think it's great that he's doing it. Um
1:26:07
Speaker 1: or you go. We have an announcement. We have a
1:26:09
Speaker 1: huge announcement, and I just want to say, I'm gonna
1:26:11
Speaker 1: have a lot more fun at your wedding now. Actually,
1:26:13
Speaker 1: now that I'm not doing um the actual wedding, I
1:26:16
Speaker 1: am going to be an absolute riot. It's savage the
1:26:19
Speaker 1: things I'm gonna do at your wedding. And I'm going
1:26:20
Speaker 1: to ruin the whole thing, the little gumby dance that
1:26:23
Speaker 1: you'll be doing. Um A. I Heart Radio has been
1:26:27
Speaker 1: a huge, huge supporter of mine. Ashley and I are
1:26:31
Speaker 1: very thankful for I Heart Radio. It's been a really
1:26:34
Speaker 1: good partnership over the last two years. And now I
1:26:37
Speaker 1: heard it's kind of taking it up a notch and
1:26:39
Speaker 1: doing something for me that is very personal. You've heard
1:26:41
Speaker 1: me talk about it, Ashley Spivey and I actually just
1:26:43
Speaker 1: talked about it. UH. Humanity and Hope United is an
1:26:46
Speaker 1: organization that I care a ton about. It's something I've
1:26:49
Speaker 1: been working with for the last eight years. I'm on
1:26:51
Speaker 1: the board and I go to Honduras three or four
1:26:53
Speaker 1: times a year with this organization to try and find
1:26:56
Speaker 1: ways to build sustainable solutions in communities that feel forgotten.
1:27:01
Speaker 1: One of those ways, and I'll speed it up here,
1:27:03
Speaker 1: is that we have a community that is completely dependent
1:27:07
Speaker 1: on thirty acres of land. It's called we called the
1:27:10
Speaker 1: Grand Farm. The Grand Farm supplies plus people with jobs
1:27:15
Speaker 1: every week, and those jobs and help them pay for education, healthcare, transportation,
1:27:21
Speaker 1: clean water, et cetera. Well, the Grand Farm is something
1:27:24
Speaker 1: that currently Humaning Hope United leases, but there's a palm
1:27:27
Speaker 1: company happens often in Honduras coming in to say we
1:27:30
Speaker 1: want this land. It's good land. We want to buy
1:27:32
Speaker 1: it out from underneath you. And the only way that
1:27:34
Speaker 1: we can stop them from doing that is to buy
1:27:36
Speaker 1: it ourselves. If we don't buy it, we're gonna lose
1:27:39
Speaker 1: opportunity for these jobs. Are gonna lose the place for
1:27:41
Speaker 1: these jobs. And so I was telling the story to
1:27:43
Speaker 1: producer Amy and Ashley and I Heart Radio, and they said, well,
1:27:46
Speaker 1: let's do something about it here on the podcast. Let's
1:27:49
Speaker 1: do a fundraiser to raise money for Humanity, Hope United
1:27:52
Speaker 1: and the Grand Farm so that people in Honduras continue
1:27:55
Speaker 1: to have jobs and can continue to invest and the
1:27:59
Speaker 1: sustainability the and the progress of their lives. So, Amy,
1:28:04
Speaker 1: I would love for you to explain everybody out there
1:28:06
Speaker 1: listening the details of this fundraiser what it looks. We
1:28:10
Speaker 1: have two big ones coming up, so we're going to
1:28:11
Speaker 1: reveal the first one today and basically next week. You
1:28:15
Speaker 1: can go to if Only dot com and you can
1:28:17
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1:28:21
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1:28:26
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1:28:28
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1:28:33
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1:28:36
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1:28:39
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1:28:41
Speaker 1: and it's there's a great story behind the Little Market
1:28:43
Speaker 1: which I will totally go into. But everything is made
1:28:46
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1:28:50
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1:28:54
Speaker 1: then Ben's going to take you out to dinner. So
1:28:56
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1:28:58
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1:29:06
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1:29:11
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