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#HURDLEMOMENT: So You Want To Start A Podcast · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Hurdle one shaking guys. Emily Evadi here
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Speaker 1: and today it's a day that's a total understatement that
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Speaker 1: it started for me at something like five point fifteen am,
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Speaker 1: and I immediately walked over in my kitchen and put
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Speaker 1: on water for coffee, which is not something I always
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Speaker 1: do before I work out, which just shows you how
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Speaker 1: exhausted I was. I went and ran some sprints on
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Speaker 1: a treadmill at Equinox before going to work out casually
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Speaker 1: with Rich Browning and Annie Thoris's daughter for the launch
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Speaker 1: of the Reebok Nano nine. Anyway, then I went on
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Speaker 1: to record two episodes of Hurdle, one of which is
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Speaker 1: coming to you this coming Monday, with Omar crispy Vila.
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Speaker 1: He is an Army veteran deployed to Iraq. He was
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Speaker 1: in a vehicle that drove over an ied and basically
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Speaker 1: got thrust into the air on fire burns to seventy
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Speaker 1: five percent of his body. He is now a leg amputee.
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Speaker 1: He's a totally badass and I cannot wait to share
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Speaker 1: his story with you. Coming up today's Hurdle moment, though,
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Speaker 1: let's focus is on how to start a podcast It's
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Speaker 1: something I get a lot of questions about. I would
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Speaker 1: have killed to be able to listen to this episode
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Speaker 1: a year and a half ago when I started hurdle,
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Speaker 1: and I'm hoping that you know what I have experienced.
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Speaker 1: Although it might not be super scientific and I don't
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Speaker 1: have all the answers can help someone who wants to
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Speaker 1: do this sort of thing. I also just want to
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Speaker 1: take a quick second and think you all a lot.
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Speaker 1: I know I say this all the time, but lately
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Speaker 1: I've been getting a lot of emails from Hurdler's in
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Speaker 1: my inbox at Emily at hurdle dot us. And the
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Speaker 1: things you are telling me that you are conquering, and
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Speaker 1: your goals and your powerful words about how hurdle is
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Speaker 1: helping you, it really is. It blows me away. I
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Speaker 1: said this to someone the other day. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if I've ever really felt that in my professional career,
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Speaker 1: I have been able to do something that really leaves
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Speaker 1: an impact. I feel like it's happening here and I'm
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Speaker 1: just so thankful for you for listening and for sharing,
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Speaker 1: and please keep doing that. Keep passing a long hurdle
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Speaker 1: to your friends, to your family, post it to your
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Speaker 1: social media to your Instagram and make sure to tag
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Speaker 1: at Hurdle podcast and me at Emily A body. All right,
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Speaker 1: I am rambling on here. Let's get to it. It's
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Speaker 1: time to talk podcasts. Let's get to this week's hurdle moment.
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Speaker 1: I feel like starting a podcast is kind of like
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Speaker 1: starting running. You can just do it. You honestly really
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Speaker 1: don't need all sorts of fancy equipment. You just need
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Speaker 1: the motivation to get started and the quality well that
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Speaker 1: can get better with time. Before I give you my
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Speaker 1: tips and tricks, a few podcast stats that I find
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Speaker 1: super interesting. According to musico dot com great name, by
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Speaker 1: the way, there are now more than seven hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: active podcasts with twenty nine million plus episodes in more
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Speaker 1: than one hundred languages. Let that settle in for a second.
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Speaker 1: The five most popular categories are society and culture, business, comedy,
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Speaker 1: news and politics, and health. Seventy percent of the population
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Speaker 1: is familiar with the term podcasting, fifty one percent has
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Speaker 1: listened to one and twenty two percent listen weekly, and
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Speaker 1: a statistic that I love. Podcast listeners are forty five
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Speaker 1: percent more likely to have a two hundred and fifty
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars income. Obviously, I'm still working on that. So
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Speaker 1: if you too want to join this elite group of
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Speaker 1: podcast creators, while I have got some great news for you,
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Speaker 1: I'm here to help you out. So let's get started here. Literally.
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Speaker 1: First things first, if you want to start a podcast,
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Speaker 1: you got to have a plan period. Just like with
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Speaker 1: anything else you want to do in your life, You're
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Speaker 1: going to need an action plan in order to get
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Speaker 1: this done. This means that there are a few questions
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Speaker 1: you're going to have to ask yourself. How regularly do
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Speaker 1: you want to produce your podcast? First and foremost, One
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Speaker 1: of the best pieces of advice I got when starting
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Speaker 1: off from my mentor, Fred Santarpia. He said that you
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Speaker 1: want your listener and your audience to be able to
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Speaker 1: maintain a reasonable expectation of when they can hear from you.
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Speaker 1: So this requires you to be honest with yourself. What
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Speaker 1: are you capable of now? If you've been listening to
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Speaker 1: Hurdle for a while, you know that when I started
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Speaker 1: this at the beginning of twenty eighteen, Hurdle was a
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Speaker 1: bi weekly podcast. Now it's a twice weekly podcast, which
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Speaker 1: is kind of crazy. Means that I've upped my production
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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty percent if I did that math
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Speaker 1: right since I started, and for now, you know, it
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Speaker 1: feels manageable. Sometimes I'm definitely a little bit stressed, but
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Speaker 1: I'm just doing the best I can with what I have.
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Speaker 1: And again, those emails you guys are sending me makes
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Speaker 1: it all feel worth it. Maybe some other questions you
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Speaker 1: ask yourself when it comes to having a plan, what's
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Speaker 1: my bandwidth to work on this and in what capacity? So,
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Speaker 1: for example, right now, I literally do everything for Hurdle.
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Speaker 1: I book the guests, I interview the guests, I edit
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Speaker 1: the podcast, that produce the podcast, that promote the podcast.
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Speaker 1: I do all the things. So you can ask yourself,
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Speaker 1: do you want to do all the things for every
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Speaker 1: podcast that I do? I book the guests, and then
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Speaker 1: I set up a pre screen call, which means that
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Speaker 1: I connect on the phone to talk about what we're
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Speaker 1: going to talk about when we record. It gets us
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Speaker 1: on the same page. Especially with these hurdle moments. I
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Speaker 1: want to make sure that we know what we're getting into.
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Speaker 1: And it also helps establish a familiarity. I think that's
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Speaker 1: really important when it comes to podcasting. Obviously, talking about
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Speaker 1: yourself can be a really personal experience, and my goal
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Speaker 1: is to make my guests feel as comfortable as possible
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Speaker 1: when they're sitting down with me. So we have that
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Speaker 1: pre screen call, we move forward, We schedule a date,
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Speaker 1: We have the actual podcast interview, which can take anywhere
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Speaker 1: from thirty minutes to just over an hour. Then I
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Speaker 1: take the time to edit it, which could take another
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Speaker 1: hour and a half from start to finish, and producing,
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Speaker 1: which is recording the intro, the sponsorship messaging, and whatever else,
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Speaker 1: can take another thirty minutes. And then I like to
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Speaker 1: listen to it, which takes another hour or whoever long
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Speaker 1: the episode is. Again, it's a huge time commitment, and
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Speaker 1: you get the opportunity to decide how you want to
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Speaker 1: execute that. Do you have the money to maybe work
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Speaker 1: with a production team, Do you want a co host?
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Speaker 1: Do you want someone to make you intro music? Granted,
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Speaker 1: all of these questions can feel a little overwhelming, so
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Speaker 1: when you write all of these things down, give yourself
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Speaker 1: time to work through them. Just like any sort of
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Speaker 1: to do list, you want to check off each question
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Speaker 1: individually and give it enough attention, and remember each check
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Speaker 1: is a step in the right direction. Each check is
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Speaker 1: progress that you are making. And lastly, for your plan,
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Speaker 1: you got to ask yourself when do you want to
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Speaker 1: launch this. A goal needs a deadline, so give yourself
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Speaker 1: a hard deadline and stick with it. Next up, choose
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Speaker 1: a topic your podcast topic to be a certain niche. Also,
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Speaker 1: every time I say the word niche, I wonder if
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Speaker 1: I'm actually supposed to be saying it like niche. I
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Speaker 1: don't know which one's right. I've never corrected myself. It's
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Speaker 1: cool anyway, find specifically what you want to talk about
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Speaker 1: for me. For instance, I am a certified personal trainer,
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Speaker 1: I'm a run coach. I've a vested interest in health
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Speaker 1: and wellness. I went through an extreme weight loss transformation myself.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm qualified to talk to people about
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Speaker 1: wellness as a whole for the most part, and I'm
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Speaker 1: obviously super interested in it. You want to make sure
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Speaker 1: that what you are talking about is something that you
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Speaker 1: are interested in. There are podcasts on everything from news
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Speaker 1: and entertainment to technology, parenting, science, TV, film, everything, So
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Speaker 1: ask yourself, what is it that interests me that you
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Speaker 1: honestly want to talk about all the time. I find
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Speaker 1: that podcasts that don't really have a focus can feel
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Speaker 1: a little Braddock, So find something that feels true to you.
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Speaker 1: Next up, ask yourself, is this just you? Or are
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Speaker 1: you doing it with a friend? So do you want
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Speaker 1: to co host? Really? Sometimes in theory, let me tell you,
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Speaker 1: it feels like it could be a good idea to
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Speaker 1: collaborate with a friend or a colleague or a family
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Speaker 1: member and a project like this, And maybe it is.
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Speaker 1: But really, what you need to do is think about
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Speaker 1: what that dynamic could look like when you really need
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Speaker 1: to rely on this other person. So do you think
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Speaker 1: that this could put a strain in your relationship or
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Speaker 1: is it a perfect match made in heaven? Regardless, if
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Speaker 1: you are going to team up with someone else to
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Speaker 1: get it done, make sure from the get go you
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Speaker 1: set super strict guidelines as to how and when an
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Speaker 1: execution and frequency that you guys are both on the
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Speaker 1: same page. You know what you're getting into and that
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Speaker 1: you can truly say you feel comfortable with this partnership.
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Speaker 1: The last thing you want to do, honestly, is start
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Speaker 1: something that gets you super excited and then fades with
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Speaker 1: time because the logistics are just a total nightmare. Next
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Speaker 1: thing you need to do to start a podcast choose
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Speaker 1: a name and then buy the domain. Naming things truly
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Speaker 1: is the hardest thing, not only because it feels as
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Speaker 1: though everything is taken, but if you want to have
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Speaker 1: that Goldilocks name, you're just hoping for that certain warm
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Speaker 1: and fuzzy feeling. You know what's it perfect, let's move
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Speaker 1: forward kind of deal. I remember my first job at
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Speaker 1: Cafe Mom. We were trying to name a new site,
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Speaker 1: and for weeks and weeks on end, there were probably
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Speaker 1: like five to six hundred different words just on boards
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Speaker 1: all around the office while we were trying to feel
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Speaker 1: out what felt right for their new digital property. The
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Speaker 1: same thing happened when it came to Hurdle. I had
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Speaker 1: one name about a year before I even launched the
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Speaker 1: podcast for a digital property of sorts, a website that
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Speaker 1: I was kind of sold on. I don't know, something
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Speaker 1: just didn't click about it. But when I came up
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Speaker 1: with the name Hurdle, I was actually sitting on my
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Speaker 1: couch with a girlfri and talking about something completely unrelated,
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Speaker 1: and I looked at her with so much sincerity and
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Speaker 1: I said, I just want to get over this hurdle.
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Speaker 1: And in that moment, it clicked, and so many things
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Speaker 1: started just to make sense, and I feel like I
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Speaker 1: got lucky. Maybe. Anyway, when you come up with the name,
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Speaker 1: then you've got to do some domain searching. Trust me,
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Speaker 1: I wish that hurdle dot com was mine and actually
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Speaker 1: belongs to some financing land realty company I think, which
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Speaker 1: is fine. I lean toward going with a different name,
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Speaker 1: but I felt so passionately about Hurdle that I went
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Speaker 1: with the dot us instead of the dot com. You're
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Speaker 1: going to need a website where you can host your podcast,
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Speaker 1: or website that's a landing page, and then you can
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Speaker 1: get hosting somewhere else. So there are a lot of
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Speaker 1: different popular hosting platforms. My podcast is on Squarespace. There
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Speaker 1: is lipsyn, which is super popular and I'm actually looking
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Speaker 1: into transferring mine over there. There's also Blueberry, which I
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Speaker 1: hear some great things about, all great options. I personally,
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Speaker 1: if I was to restart it right now now, would
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Speaker 1: definitely go with lipsy in, which is why I am
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Speaker 1: looking into it. Next step in your podcast journey come
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Speaker 1: up with a format. So every podcast format is different.
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Speaker 1: For example, Hurdle's podcast format, there's an intro, then there's
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Speaker 1: intro music, then I introduce the guest. We talk about
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Speaker 1: their backstory leading up to their hurdle moment. There's usually
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Speaker 1: some sort of break in the middle for some sponsorship messaging,
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Speaker 1: and then I ask them questions that go with their specialties.
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Speaker 1: So if they are building a skincare company, for example,
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Speaker 1: I spoiler alert have the founders of Heyday coming up
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Speaker 1: on hurdle, I will ask them, Okay, what are the
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Speaker 1: two things we can do at home to better our
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Speaker 1: skin if we can't make it in all the time
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Speaker 1: for a facial. Once we get through that, I ask
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Speaker 1: them for some last minute takeaways. I then do my
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Speaker 1: outro and we talk about where people can find the
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Speaker 1: guest and hurdle on social media, and then I roll
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Speaker 1: the credits aka the ending music. It sounds like a
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Speaker 1: lot when I say it out loud, but what I'm
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Speaker 1: just trying to get out here is that every epple
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Speaker 1: episode of every podcast has a similar format you'll see.
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Speaker 1: So what you want to do to make it easier
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Speaker 1: on yourself is figure out what that format is and
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Speaker 1: stick with it. You know. For example, I listened to
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Speaker 1: the Almost thirty podcast and on that podcast, the girls
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Speaker 1: kind of have a catchup chat for what's about like
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Speaker 1: twenty to twenty five minutes, sometimes about things that are
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Speaker 1: just going on in their life, and then they get
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Speaker 1: into their interview. It's just two totally different, you know,
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Speaker 1: ways of going about creating content. No way is right
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Speaker 1: or wrong. You got to do what feels true to
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Speaker 1: who you are. Okay, now we're getting into some more logistics.
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Speaker 1: Get a microphone. So I don't have a ton of
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Speaker 1: insight as to the best microphones. I'm not super techy.
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Speaker 1: I record my podcast using a blue Yedi microphone. It's
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Speaker 1: under two hundred dollars, and I went with this microphone
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Speaker 1: because I feel like it's really great quality. It's super portable.
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Speaker 1: I've traveled with it, I've brought it in my carry on,
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Speaker 1: and honestly, when I was first starting the podcast, I
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Speaker 1: sat down with Kelly ro Roberts. She has the she
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Speaker 1: can and she did podcast. I asked her for her
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Speaker 1: tips and tricks, and this is where I ended up.
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Speaker 1: So I'm passing that kud karma along with you. But
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Speaker 1: also no like there are also podcasters that literally record
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Speaker 1: on their iPhone. The good news is that a good
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Speaker 1: microphone is not super expensive. It's definitely an investment worth making.
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Speaker 1: And then there are other things that are called filters,
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Speaker 1: which sounds kind of crazy that you can buy to
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Speaker 1: make your audio quality sound even better. So I use
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Speaker 1: two filters every single time I record. They're from a
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Speaker 1: brand called Crumple Pop and they are Eco remover and
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Speaker 1: Audio d Noise. And honestly, maybe I am a little bias,
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Speaker 1: but I feel like I listen to my podcast and
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Speaker 1: sometimes the quality is better than a lot of highly
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Speaker 1: paid podcasters in the game. And I'm literally doing this
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Speaker 1: with under a total of four hundred dollars of equipment.
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Speaker 1: The filters each I think cost between seventy five and
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Speaker 1: one hundred dollars again in investment, but totally worth it.
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Speaker 1: Next up, you have the opportunity now to get creative.
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Speaker 1: So you got creative with what you want your topic
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Speaker 1: to be. Ideally you found a name. Now you have
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to create cover art and use intro music
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Speaker 1: and also how you want to do your show notes,
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Speaker 1: which is the description that people see when they click
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Speaker 1: into your podcast on whatever podcast listening platform they are using.
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Speaker 1: My tip on this is obviously you know, there are
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Speaker 1: so many things you can do for cover art and
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Speaker 1: intro music and whatnot. Just don't overthink it. When I
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Speaker 1: spoke with Ali Feller of Ali on the Run, we
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Speaker 1: both were on each other's podcast, a little podcast Swap.
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Speaker 1: She told me that literally she was just kind of
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Speaker 1: at a standstill forever because she was so worried about
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Speaker 1: the cover art for her podcast. The last thing you
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Speaker 1: want to do is get hung up on small details.
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Speaker 1: So find something that feels right. You can always change it,
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Speaker 1: you can always update it. Don't let something like this
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Speaker 1: push back that hard deadline that you set from the
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Speaker 1: yet go. When it comes to intro music, I am
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Speaker 1: super lucky. I have a friend that created mine who
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Speaker 1: is a super talented musician. His name is Mike Horn.
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Speaker 1: We went to Yugon together. But there are tons of
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Speaker 1: royalty free sites where you can go on and download
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Speaker 1: music to use for free. What I will say with
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Speaker 1: that is, obviously, if you can go on and download it,
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Speaker 1: that means that somebody else can go on and download it,
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Speaker 1: which means that if you're using intro music, it might
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Speaker 1: be somewhere else. If you're cool with that, I'm cool
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Speaker 1: with that. Let's reiterate here. No one is going to
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Speaker 1: not listen to your podcast because the cover art isn't
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Speaker 1: Van go and your intro music doesn't sound like Drake's
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Speaker 1: next hit. We're getting into the final parts here. The
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Speaker 1: next thing to start a podcast, you've got to record
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Speaker 1: it and you've got to edit it again. A lot
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Speaker 1: of the times, I'm just using this blue YETI microphone.
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Speaker 1: I'm recording this right now in my apartment. I am
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Speaker 1: fortunate enough to have had a few different studios that
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Speaker 1: I've worked with in New York City, which helped me
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Speaker 1: just to have a landing point, a meeting point for
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Speaker 1: when I was meeting guests. For a while, I was
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Speaker 1: recording side of a wee work near Empire State Building,
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Speaker 1: and that was wonderful. And now I record at the
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Speaker 1: Smile to go inside the free Hand Hotel. You've got
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Speaker 1: to do what works for you. You know. There was
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Speaker 1: a point when I thought about literally rearranging my apartment
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Speaker 1: to make it more okay for people to come visit
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Speaker 1: that weren't just my friends. It doesn't go unnoticed by
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Speaker 1: me that I am really fortunate to have created these
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Speaker 1: relationships and have a really good deal going with the space.
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Speaker 1: But know that again, some days I am in a studio,
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Speaker 1: other days I'm doing it at home. Both work, both
16:33
Speaker 1: sound great. My dad said to me once that it's
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Speaker 1: the quality of the conversation that matter, is not always
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Speaker 1: the quality of what the sound is like, and he's right.
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Speaker 1: I'm definitely a perfectionist. I try to do the best
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Speaker 1: I can with what I have. But the last thing
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Speaker 1: you want to do is just focus so much and
16:50
Speaker 1: spend all of this money on the highest tech stuff
16:53
Speaker 1: before you really get into it. You want to make
16:55
Speaker 1: sure you like what you're doing, and you can always
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Speaker 1: get better with time, and that's cool. So again, edit
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Speaker 1: and produce in garage band. Then I export the tracks
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Speaker 1: to iTunes, which makes them ready for the next thing
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Speaker 1: you need to do, which is submit your podcast. So
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Speaker 1: every podcast will have an RSS feed from the hosting
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Speaker 1: platform where your podcast can be found pretty much, and
17:17
Speaker 1: that's where your podcast lives. This feed can then be
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Speaker 1: submitted to a bunch of different places, and the most popular,
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Speaker 1: I would say is obviously iTunes are Apple podcasts, but
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Speaker 1: there is also Spotify, Google Play Music, Stitcher, Tune in Blueberry.
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Speaker 1: The list goes on something worth noting. I know you're
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Speaker 1: probably super excited now that your podcast is ready for
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Speaker 1: the world to see. Podcasts submissions can take a few days,
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Speaker 1: I know. For Apple podcasts anyway, the process can take
17:44
Speaker 1: up to ten days, although most submissions are approved within
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Speaker 1: about three and sometimes maybe just a few hours. I'll
17:51
Speaker 1: never forget the email I got that hurdle was live
17:54
Speaker 1: in the iTunes store. I was super super excited. And last,
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Speaker 1: but not lead, The last thing you got to do
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Speaker 1: is spread the word. Not every podcast I follow has
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Speaker 1: social media pages or on Instagram, but I love the
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Speaker 1: ones that do because I feel like I get to
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Speaker 1: know more about the hosts and get reminded about what's
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Speaker 1: going on with the content that I really love. So
18:14
Speaker 1: decide what you want to do. Decide if you want
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Speaker 1: social media, Decide if you want a newsletter. If you
18:18
Speaker 1: do want a newsletter, you're gonna have to make the
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Speaker 1: time for that. Again, you want to set a reasonable
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Speaker 1: expectation for how often you are communicating with your audience,
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Speaker 1: and if that's on social media or via a newsletter,
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Speaker 1: or with how often you're posting. Just keep it consistent
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Speaker 1: and the rest will just kind of fall into place.
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Speaker 1: I feel like this is a little sporadic here, but
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Speaker 1: I hope it's helpful. I'm an open book for questions,
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Speaker 1: and if you have them. Feel free to DM me
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Speaker 1: or shoot me an email. It's Emily at hurdle dot
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Speaker 1: us and I really just want, I guess the moral
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Speaker 1: of this story to be whether or not you want
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Speaker 1: to start a podcast to know that you don't need
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Speaker 1: to have all of the answers to just begin. I
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Speaker 1: think a lot of the time we stand in our
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Speaker 1: own way because there are so many different factors, so
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Speaker 1: much unknown when it comes to aiming for what we want.
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Speaker 1: It's okay to be a beginner. Relish in that you
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Speaker 1: only get that opportunity once, and if you do it right,
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Speaker 1: once is all you're gonna need. Happymorial Day weekend, everybody
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Speaker 1: out there. Another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.