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Why The Punisher: One Last Kill Is Pure Copaganda!!!! (Why Jon Bernthal Is Wrong About The Punisher) · For All Nerds Show

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Speaker 1: Last week, y'all, doing our review of Punisher One Last Kill,
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Speaker 1: I said that the Punisher in ninety nine percent of
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Speaker 1: his stories is pure copaganda. You just now. This upset
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Speaker 1: some people, mainly men, and they let me have it
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Speaker 1: in the comments, y'all. I mean, it went off. Some
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Speaker 1: of the better ones were me personally, DJ Been. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I've never read a comic in my life, especially Punisher.
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Speaker 1: I've never read none of them joints. I'm an idiot.
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Speaker 1: I didn't watch the special at all, even though I
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Speaker 1: saw it before most of y'all did an hour long
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Speaker 1: review on it for for all nerds, all that good stuff.
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Speaker 1: You know. Now, shut the f up, and have I
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Speaker 1: ever created anything instead of just posting rage bait? I
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Speaker 1: didn't know I was posting rage bait when I said,
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Speaker 1: the men get upset when you tell them the Punishers copaganda.
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Speaker 1: the problem is that the Punisher is presented as the
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Speaker 1: hero of the story in ninety nine percent of his stories.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's one problem. We'll get to the rest
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Speaker 1: of them real soon, right, all right now, For a
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Speaker 1: definition of copaganda, Copaganda is media that attempts to portray
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Speaker 1: police in a positive light. You know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: all the stuff that you see meet to week on
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Speaker 1: all these cops shows like Law and Order. Instead of
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Speaker 1: focusing on the systemic problems of policing, which played all
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Speaker 1: of our law enforcement. You know, they don't want to
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Speaker 1: talk about that. They just want to show you cops
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Speaker 1: doing good cops, solving crime, cops, not beating their wives
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Speaker 1: or their husbands or whatever. You know, whenever there is
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Speaker 1: a bad apple or a bad cop. By the end
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Speaker 1: of the episode, they're up out of there, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean, they've gotten rid of them, and they're like,
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Speaker 1: we look at that bad cop. You know, even on
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Speaker 1: Dada were born again. You know, it's like the bad
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Speaker 1: cops versus the good cops, you know, not the instead
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Speaker 1: of all of them might be a little bad, you know,
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Speaker 1: are we the bodies? No systemic problems here, We're done.
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Speaker 1: End of episode, end the season. That's done, Moving on.
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Speaker 1: Punisher was created by Jerry Conway Rest in Peace to
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Speaker 1: that Man in the late nineteen seventies as a villain
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Speaker 1: and Spider Man stories. All right, he was a villain first, right,
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Speaker 1: Remember this is the nineteen seventies. Vietnam Vets were returning
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Speaker 1: to an America they never recognized. You know, they don't
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Speaker 1: see themselves anymore. People are calling the murderers and worse.
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Speaker 1: It's suddenly films like Dirty Harry and Death Wish were
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Speaker 1: being released in the theaters featuring a lone wolf cop
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Speaker 1: who goes against the grain and a vigilante who starts
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Speaker 1: killing people in the streets after something horrible happens to
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Speaker 1: his family. It sounds pretty familiar, right. We're only years
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Speaker 1: away from President Reagan's war on crime, war on drugs,
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Speaker 1: war on anyone who wasn't straight white and male, I mean,
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Speaker 1: straight up and down. That man was out of control.
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Speaker 1: And this is the same time when the police are
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Speaker 1: becoming their own version of the military, you know, swat
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Speaker 1: teams are being introduced, all that stuff is going down.
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Speaker 1: So with this as a backdrop, the Punisher explodes in popularity,
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Speaker 1: and Marvel quickly decides to present him as more of
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Speaker 1: an anti hero, someone who could fight alongside the heroes
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Speaker 1: who but would stop at nothing to take down the village.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he busting caps left and right. Every issue
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Speaker 1: he is shooting someone. It's gross, you know what I
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Speaker 1: mean with it at the time. Right. While Jerry Conway
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Speaker 1: did see him as a villain, once he started his
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Speaker 1: own series, writers like Mike Barron and Chuck Didson, both
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Speaker 1: of whom are super right wing leaning, you know, they
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Speaker 1: started portraying him more as a cold calculated killer, but
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Speaker 1: someone who was still hero who might have a philosophical
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Speaker 1: disagreement with Daredevil or someone like that, but would still
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Speaker 1: fight alongside them. It was basically and still remains, a
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Speaker 1: revenge power fantasy, you know, for the Punisher and for readers,
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Speaker 1: where readers could live out their dreams of striking at
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Speaker 1: their enemies, both unseen and seen. You know, dude at
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Speaker 1: the office, you hated somebody in school, whatever. Right. Early
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Speaker 1: issues of War Journal were so pro gun that every issue, y'all,
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Speaker 1: every issue featured featured a detailed thematic a weaponry. It
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Speaker 1: was crazy. Every issue had this weaponry in the back
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Speaker 1: with a review from the Punisher himself. I mean, these
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Speaker 1: are real life guns too, folks, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: It's like guns and Admo magazine in the back of
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Speaker 1: a book that was marketed to children, right alongside Spider
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Speaker 1: Man and his amazing friends. One later, Punisher writer Garth
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Speaker 1: Innis went against this idea, and you know, he took
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Speaker 1: Frank Castle completely out of the Marvel universe. No Spider Man,
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Speaker 1: none of his amazing friends, none of that, and had
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Speaker 1: Frank while he was still cold and calculating. My man
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Speaker 1: was a complete psychopath who is not to be admired
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Speaker 1: by any means. He was grinding me. He was evil,
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Speaker 1: I mean garth, And it went so far as to
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Speaker 1: Frank making a deal with the devil, straight up and down.
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Speaker 1: He makes a deal with the devil so that his
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Speaker 1: family will be killed. You know. He does his while
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Speaker 1: he's in Vietnam. He's like, deal with the devil. My
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Speaker 1: family will be killed, so I have a reason to
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Speaker 1: keep on killing, because he loves killing so much in
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Speaker 1: Vietnam or in whatever war they place him in that
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Speaker 1: he makes a deal with the devil. Right. One of
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Speaker 1: the most famous monologues from this series has Frank telling
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Speaker 1: the readers, and he's telling himself this, that he has
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Speaker 1: this reoccurring dream where he can't tell between the just
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Speaker 1: and the unjust anymore, the good and the bad. He
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Speaker 1: can't tell between them anymore. But he's shooting them all.
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Speaker 1: And he waits up from this dream, and he tells himself, Yo,
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Speaker 1: this is just the dream, right, This is just a dream.
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Speaker 1: And that's how the issue ends. While the visuals are
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Speaker 1: showing him shooting up a room full of black drug dealers.
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Speaker 1: And while this is an admirable take on the Punisher
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Speaker 1: and one of my favorite of any of his comic
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Speaker 1: book runs, it still faces the problem of making him
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Speaker 1: the protagonist, and since most people in America identify the
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Speaker 1: protagonist as the hero, it continues the problem of having
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Speaker 1: one man, one white man, being the only one who
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Speaker 1: can clean up this lawless land, the only one who
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Speaker 1: can make things right, and he can make them right
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Speaker 1: by shooting everyone. Not a good message to police folks.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, you know, it just might not
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Speaker 1: work now. Like I said, Jerry Conway created Frank as
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Speaker 1: a villainy and he had this to say about police
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Speaker 1: who wear his symbol. I've talked about this in other interviews.
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Speaker 1: To me, it's disturbing whenever I see authority figures embracing
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Speaker 1: punishers iconography, because the punisher represents a failure of the
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Speaker 1: justice system. He's supposed to indict, the collapse of social
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Speaker 1: moral authority, and the reality some people can't depend on
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Speaker 1: institutions like the police or the military to act in
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Speaker 1: adjust and capable way. Now, what I'm getting from that
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Speaker 1: is Jerry is what you would call a little bit
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Speaker 1: woke right there. You know what I mean. My man
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Speaker 1: says some people can't depend on institutions like the police
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Speaker 1: or the military to act in adjust and capable way,
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Speaker 1: and by that he probably means anyone who is in
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Speaker 1: white male and got some money in their pocket. He
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Speaker 1: goes on to say, the vigilante anti hero is fundamentally
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Speaker 1: a critique of the justice system, an example of social failure.
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Speaker 1: So when cops put punisher strolls on their cars, or
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Speaker 1: members of the military where un straw patches, they're basically
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Speaker 1: siding with an enemy of this system. Hey, I am
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Speaker 1: mad at being an enemy of the system, but I
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Speaker 1: don't think he means what I mean right there. They
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Speaker 1: embracing an outlaw mentality. Whether you think the punisher is
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Speaker 1: justified or not, whether you admire his code of ethics,
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Speaker 1: he is an outlaw. He is a criminal. Police should
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Speaker 1: not be embracing a criminal as their symbol. It goes
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Speaker 1: without saying, in a way, it's as offensive as putting
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Speaker 1: a Confederate flag on a government building. Bars, Jerry Bars.
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Speaker 1: My point of view is the punisher is an anti hero,
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Speaker 1: someone we might root for, while remembering he's also an
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Speaker 1: outlaw and a criminal. I don't know if I'm rooting
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Speaker 1: for a white man shooting people, but we gonna go.
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Speaker 1: You know, we'll get to that. If an officer of
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Speaker 1: the law, representing the justice system, puts a criminal symbol
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Speaker 1: on his police car, or shares challenge coins honoring a criminal,
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Speaker 1: he or she is making a very ill advised statement
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Speaker 1: about their understanding of the law. And when you present
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Speaker 1: him as a hero and have police and military identifying
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Speaker 1: with a character who the creator says as a villainy
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Speaker 1: and criminal, In fact, he openly says that those who
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Speaker 1: identify with him lack understanding of the law, then that,
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Speaker 1: my friends, is copaganda. When Frank represents law and order
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Speaker 1: in a lawless land, as he does in the special
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Speaker 1: and in most of his stories for that matter, that
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Speaker 1: is much propaganda. That is as much propaganda as Dirty
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Speaker 1: Harry or die Hard stories that feature a lone wolf
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Speaker 1: cop who go against the grain and save the day
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Speaker 1: teach impressionable minds that the law only applies when it
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Speaker 1: suits themselves, you know what I mean, when they need
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Speaker 1: it to, you know, And like we live in a
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Speaker 1: land where cops do whatever they want. Media only encourages this,
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Speaker 1: all right, So y'all argue that the Punisher isn't a cop.
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Speaker 1: And in both the comics and the series and Daredevil
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Speaker 1: Born Again in particular, the creators have attempted to address
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Speaker 1: these issues, you know, with Frank, you know, screaming on
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Speaker 1: some cops you don't like me, you don't know what.
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Speaker 1: But in neither of them does Frank ever attempt to
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Speaker 1: break down the status quo or make any kind of
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Speaker 1: systemic change, whether it's dealing with criminals or with the police,
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Speaker 1: which is fine and dandy form most heroes, but when
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Speaker 1: you have one who does kill, it quickly starts to
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Speaker 1: make sense that he doesn't just blow away the kingpin
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Speaker 1: or you know, check in on the mayor maybe or
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Speaker 1: the governor of New York. You know, see if some
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Speaker 1: changes to be made before I put some caps in you,
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Speaker 1: you know, attempt to make some actual change. If he
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Speaker 1: is so cold, calculating and intelligent and wants revenge for
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Speaker 1: his family, or is he just out to murder people?
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Speaker 1: That could be It not a good message for cops.
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Speaker 1: And while it's cute and all that Frank tells these cops,
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Speaker 1: you're not like me, you don't know my pain. The
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Speaker 1: problem isn't that the cops aren't like him, which they aren't.
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Speaker 1: The problem is that police in real life are identifying
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Speaker 1: with this character who is a villain but is constantly
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Speaker 1: being presented as a hero, so why shouldn't they. In fact,
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Speaker 1: while John did play the punisher for those scenes when
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Speaker 1: he was confronting the police, when given the chance to
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Speaker 1: tell his own punisher story, basically what he did was
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Speaker 1: tell a modern day death wish, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: Shout out to Charles Bronson and the rest of them.
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Speaker 1: You know, the story of this one lone vigilante. Only
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Speaker 1: he can clean up these streets in this lawless land
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Speaker 1: where it's so wild that even the cops won't go there.
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Speaker 1: They bounce immediately. And only this one white man with
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Speaker 1: his guns can clean up these streets. And he becomes judge, jury,
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Speaker 1: and executioner. He becomes the face of the law when
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Speaker 1: there is no law. What makes it even more egregious
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Speaker 1: faults for real, though, is John Barenthal's thoughts on police
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Speaker 1: and the military and those of them who actually wear
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Speaker 1: the symbol. All right, let me try and get through
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Speaker 1: this without laughing and all that, you know, respect to
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Speaker 1: people who serve. But yeah, this is what Frank I mean, sorry,
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Speaker 1: not Frank. That's what John thinks he is. He thinks
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Speaker 1: he's Frank. I feel like right now, you know, I
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Speaker 1: don't know lines didn't a little blurry over there. But anyway,
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Speaker 1: this is what John had to say about the character
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Speaker 1: and about Punisher one last kill. Frank, he belongs to
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Speaker 1: the fans, belongs to members of the military, members of
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Speaker 1: law enforcement. Frank Castle vigilanti criminal belongs to members of
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Speaker 1: military and law enforcement. All right, cool people who Frank,
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Speaker 1: you know, for them, he just exists in their hearts.
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Speaker 1: I do look at it as a responsibility, and I'm
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Speaker 1: honestly astounded that they let us do what we did.
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Speaker 1: I'm astounded they let you make death wish again as well. John.
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Speaker 1: You know, I felt like that era had passed, but
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Speaker 1: I guess not. You know, I'm astounded they let you
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Speaker 1: have a little black girl hand you a flower at
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Speaker 1: the end of this murderous rampage when you just murdered
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Speaker 1: a man viciously in front of her where her grandmother.
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Speaker 1: I guess had to say, Yo, please don't even look
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Speaker 1: at this. This white man is going ham over here, child,
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Speaker 1: and you never need to see something so scarring. And
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Speaker 1: yet at the end of that rampage, here you are
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Speaker 1: handing this random a flower when you should be cowering
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Speaker 1: in the corner. Sure I'm astounded they let you do
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Speaker 1: that as well. John, But you also had a little
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Speaker 1: bit more to say on the military. This Trump's from
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Speaker 1: an interview I think a year or so ago when
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Speaker 1: it was all good, I guess, and John said, I'm
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Speaker 1: so grateful for the Marine Corps in that community for
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Speaker 1: helping me on this journey, for helping me find this character.
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Speaker 1: Some of the best people we have in this country
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Speaker 1: have worn that punisher straw on their body armor when
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Speaker 1: they've taken that unbelievable walk into danger, stand up for
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Speaker 1: our country. And that's something that I take enormously seriously.
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Speaker 1: John's saying that some of the bravest people officers of
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Speaker 1: the law, who wear a criminal symbol, please make that
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Speaker 1: made sense, John, Like, what about those who risk their
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Speaker 1: lives and don't wear a criminal symbol? You know, you
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Speaker 1: would think that makes them a little bit brave, right,
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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm bugging, I don't know, John disfusedly contradiction. You know,
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Speaker 1: John definitely believes in the sanctity of police and well,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he thinks there's some bad apples all that,
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Speaker 1: you know, like some of the bunch in the police
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Speaker 1: and military. Maybe even some of those who wear the
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Speaker 1: symbol he might think are bad. He's not one to
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Speaker 1: think that the police and military needs systemic change. John
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Speaker 1: believes that police and military are protecting us from the
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Speaker 1: bad guy. It's like real but in reality, the police
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Speaker 1: in America are what they always have been, a force
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Speaker 1: designed to protect and serve the rights and ideals of
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Speaker 1: the ruling and rich upper class, not the common people.
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Speaker 1: If you think that police are built to protect and
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Speaker 1: serve you, then please do some research on how to
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Speaker 1: modern day police force evolve from slave forces, I mean
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Speaker 1: from slave forces and slave catchers meant to catch runaway
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Speaker 1: slaves and you know, people who are rebelling against the
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Speaker 1: slave culture which dominated America. Or about how you know
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Speaker 1: nationwide police forces were basically established to help deal with
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Speaker 1: unruly mobs, worker riots, unions, or even how the Supreme
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Speaker 1: Court recently ruled that police are under no obligation to
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Speaker 1: protect you none at all. You know that protect, you know,
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Speaker 1: protect and serve, not no obligation at all a ruling
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Speaker 1: from the Supreme Court. Or you can read about how
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Speaker 1: the police and the military and the industrial complex all
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Speaker 1: tied together. I'm gonna keep it a bucket, y'all for real,
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Speaker 1: Like I searched and searched. I'm like, I know John
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Speaker 1: had said something else, you know, please let me know
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Speaker 1: in the comments, like he said something rational. I mean,
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Speaker 1: my man has stood up for trans rights, he stood
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Speaker 1: up for Black lives matter, you know, all that good stuff.
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Speaker 1: But this type of stuff is wildly egregious. Fan. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: I searched, you know what, and when I was doing
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Speaker 1: my search, and this is what I find. I find
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Speaker 1: this image of John where he is sitting there pointing
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Speaker 1: a finger and not the finger that I was hoping
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Speaker 1: he'd be pointing at a symbol of the Punisher logo,
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Speaker 1: which features the thin blue line. Now, for those who
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Speaker 1: don't know the thin blue line, is this myth that
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Speaker 1: police are the thin blue line that protect us from
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Speaker 1: you know, the dark, the terrors out there. If not
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Speaker 1: for the police, we'd be living in a chaotic society
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Speaker 1: full of murder and death and destruction and worse fam
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Speaker 1: That's pure of coppaganda. That is why, you know, all
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Speaker 1: these shows exist to keep this idea in your head.
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Speaker 1: That is why police are constantly portrayed as the heroes,
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Speaker 1: et cetera. This is all copaganda. Once once again, please
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Speaker 1: do some research on where police in America came from
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Speaker 1: and why they're here now and what they have to
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Speaker 1: do with you personally. Like straight up, the idea that
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Speaker 1: the thin blue line is the only thing protecting us
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Speaker 1: from a lawless society is just copaganda, and John buys
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Speaker 1: right into it. You know, John of one of those
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Speaker 1: people who might argue the police need to be here
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Speaker 1: to protect us from the violence of society. But again
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Speaker 1: this is copaganda. As violent crime has fallen every year
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Speaker 1: in America for decades now, as well as the number
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Speaker 1: of police who have been killed in the line of
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Speaker 1: duty that keeps falling every year as well. But you
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Speaker 1: know what doesn't fall you know, what has risen steadily
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Speaker 1: since around two thousand and two is the number of
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Speaker 1: police killed. I mean the number of people killed by
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Speaker 1: police officers that has risen steadily since two thousand and
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Speaker 1: two and remains at an all time high today. You know,
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Speaker 1: we've been fighting four hundred and still fighting to this date.
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Speaker 1: To this date, let alone the rates of domestic violence
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Speaker 1: among officers and enlisted people, which is much higher than
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Speaker 1: the average citizen. Of course, you know, let's not get
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Speaker 1: into police brutality, which is fairly report. Some would argue
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Speaker 1: that police can misappropriate anything and not just a Punishers symbol,
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Speaker 1: and they can, of course, But the only reason they
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Speaker 1: take the symbol of a Punisher is because he's a
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Speaker 1: street level superhero. That's what they'll say. You know, that's
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Speaker 1: the only reason street level. You know, It's not like
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Speaker 1: he's Superman or something they can't identify with Superman. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So why don't we see more police with you know,
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Speaker 1: Daredevil symbols or Batman symbols or spider Man symbols or something.
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Speaker 1: Because Punisher folks is the only one in them who
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Speaker 1: kills and can still be considered a hero. Are we
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Speaker 1: the bodies? So with that being said, you know, people
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Speaker 1: have asked me what do you expect from a What
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Speaker 1: do you think they're gonna do. I don't think they're
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Speaker 1: gonna do anything other than continue to make money and
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Speaker 1: continue to serve the military industrial complex. Now that does't
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Speaker 1: mean I'm gonna stop watching them. No. I enjoy their films,
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Speaker 1: I enjoy their television shows. I've loved their comics forever.
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Speaker 1: But I will recognize what they do, and I just
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Speaker 1: hope more people do. That's why we made these videos.
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Speaker 1: That's why we talk about these subjects here for all nerds,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's very prevalent in our society.
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Speaker 1: Copaganda is everywhere, and I just want people to recognize that.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for watching, and please y'all keep it cool
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Speaker 1: in the comments and we'll have more to say on
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Speaker 1: four All Nerds