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Girl Begs Mom to Come Home, Two Weeks Later Missing: Where is Andi Wagner? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a gorgeous girl
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  Speaker 1: in her early twenties just drop off the face of
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  Speaker 1: the earth and we have no idea what happened. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not buying that for one minute, and I want to
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  Speaker 1: know what happened to Andy Wagner. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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  Speaker 1: at Crime Stories and on Serius XM one eleven. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, Andy Wagner last heard from on August the sixth.
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  Speaker 1: What happened? Listen?
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  Speaker 2: Eline Garcia planned to come back to Evansville, Indiana to
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  Speaker 2: pick up her oldest daughter, Andy Wagner, and take her
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  Speaker 2: back to Texas, where the two would live together. Those
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  Speaker 2: plans have now changed, and Garcia has moved back to
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  Speaker 2: Evansville to search for her oldest daughter. Andy Wagner was
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  Speaker 2: last seen weeks ago on August sixth, and other than
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  Speaker 2: a text message that same day, Wagner has not had
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  Speaker 2: any contact with family members or friends. Her mother is
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  Speaker 2: worried because Andy Wagner was extremely excited about the move
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  Speaker 2: to Texas.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you're hearing from our friends at crimeonline dot com
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  Speaker 1: and with me right now. An all star panel to
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  Speaker 1: make sense of where is Andy? Joining us? Is Andy's mother,
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  Speaker 1: Elaine Garcia. Now if you want to find her online,
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  Speaker 1: you can go to Answers for Andy and be Andy's voice. Elaine.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with.
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  Speaker 3: Us, Thank you for inviting me. Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, I'm trying to figure out you going to
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  Speaker 1: Evansville to get and your daughter. I mean I'd go
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  Speaker 1: to the end of the earth to get my daughter
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  Speaker 1: or my son Lucier John David wanted to come home
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  Speaker 1: the end of the earth. I would fight through chewing
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  Speaker 1: them to get to them. So you go, your daughter
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  Speaker 1: wants to come home, what's to come move home with you?
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  Speaker 1: And you go to Evansville to bring her home.
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  Speaker 4: What happened two weeks I had spoken to Andy a
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  Speaker 4: few weeks before, and I had told her she was crying,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and she said, Mommy, I need to.
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  Speaker 3: Get out of here. If I don't get out of here,
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  Speaker 3: this place is going to swallow me home.
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  Speaker 4: She said, I want to be back with you. She said,
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  Speaker 4: I'm tired of this life. I'm tired of hurting, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not getting any support here, I said, baby.
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  Speaker 3: At the time, I was working at the penitentiary.
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  Speaker 4: So you know they're kind of strict. So I said, baby,
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  Speaker 4: if you can just wait for two weeks, Mama, just
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  Speaker 4: wait two weeks, I will be there. And she said, okay,
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  Speaker 4: two weeks before I get there, she disappears.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, miss Garcia, And you.
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  Speaker 3: Don't understand how mad? I'm so mad myself.
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  Speaker 4: Why I just make up and go.
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  Speaker 1: I know that you're thinking what you could have done differently,
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  Speaker 1: But Miss Garcia, she understood how much you loved her.
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  Speaker 1: What happened is not your fault. In fact, if it
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  Speaker 1: weren't for you, we wouldn't even be trying to find Andy,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't even know she was missing. We would know nothing.
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  Speaker 1: So she tells you she wants to move home with you.
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  Speaker 1: So you have a day off from work. What do
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  Speaker 1: you drive all the way to Evansville?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: How long of a drive was that?
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  Speaker 4: Twelve thirteen hour drive?
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  Speaker 1: Did you go by yourself?
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  Speaker 4: Is ma'am in your car?
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  Speaker 1: What kind of car were you driving?
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  Speaker 4: A Santa Fe?
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  Speaker 1: So you take off from Texas? Where in Texas?
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  Speaker 3: Which talk off Texas?
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  Speaker 1: And you set off on about a thirteen hour drive
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  Speaker 1: to Evansville, Indiana to get your daughter. Why did she
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  Speaker 1: go to Evansville to start with.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I moved. I actually moved here when the girls
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  Speaker 3: were younger so they could be closer to their dad,
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  Speaker 3: because we would meet in Joplin during you know, school,
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  Speaker 3: when they were out or whatever. So I thought, you know.
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  Speaker 4: It, So I left my.
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  Speaker 3: Family and friends because I wanted.
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  Speaker 4: My girls to be closer to their dad.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't want them to have that void of not
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  Speaker 3: having their dad in their life.
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  Speaker 1: So let me understand. You spoke to her. She goes, Mommy,
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  Speaker 1: I want to come home. I want to move home
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  Speaker 1: with you, and you say I'll be there in two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: To get you, what was the last time you actually
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  Speaker 1: spoke to her verbally?
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  Speaker 4: It might have been to three weeks before she had
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  Speaker 4: called me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand. She goes missing August sixth, So
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  Speaker 1: you're saying, two weeks before that you spoke to her,
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  Speaker 1: did she know you were on your way?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, she knew. How did she know I we No, No,
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  Speaker 3: she didn't know I was on my way. She knew
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  Speaker 3: that I was going to be there in two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I understand. So you tell her this is the
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  Speaker 1: day I'm coming. Okay, When you get to Evansville. What
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  Speaker 1: if anything do.
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  Speaker 3: You find nothing. I didn't know she was missing until
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  Speaker 3: her little sister posted it on Facebook, and when I
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  Speaker 3: seen it, I called.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on just a moment. Did you make it
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  Speaker 1: to Evansville?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, after the fact, after I found out she
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  Speaker 3: was missing.
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  Speaker 1: So, Miss Garcia, you travel across the country and you
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  Speaker 1: are to pick Andy up.
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  Speaker 3: Where from her grandparents' house?
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  Speaker 1: Do you go to the grandparents' house?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: When you get there, what facts do.
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  Speaker 3: You learn that she had been gone, that they hadn't
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  Speaker 3: heard from her in like two weeks?
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  Speaker 1: So almost immediately after you speak with her and tell
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  Speaker 1: her you're going to come get her at her request,
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  Speaker 1: basically the last time she's heard.
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  Speaker 5: From from me?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: What about the grandparents? Did they hear from her after that?
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  Speaker 3: Not after the sixth? No?
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  Speaker 1: How about her sister? Did she hear from Andy after
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  Speaker 1: the sixth?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 1: Joining me right now. In addition to Andy Wagner's mom,
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  Speaker 1: Eline Garcia, is Steve Milling joining us out of Evansville, Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: Reporter fourteen News in Evansville, the NBC affiliate, Steve Milling,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks for having mens so Elaine.
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  Speaker 1: Travels across the country, she gets all the way there
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  Speaker 1: and no one is seen or heard from Andy since
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  Speaker 1: August six. It's reported to police what happens Nan stay veiling.
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  Speaker 6: So when people go missing, obviously police follow the report.
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  Speaker 6: They follow up on tips and leads. You know, something
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  Speaker 6: that we that we typically see in this area, especially
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  Speaker 6: with a missing people, sometimes they tend to pop back up,
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  Speaker 6: you know, maybe a couple of days after the fact,
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  Speaker 6: so initially evan until police may send out something on
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  Speaker 6: social media letting people know that this person is missing,
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  Speaker 6: this is who they're looking for. With Andy, that seemed
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  Speaker 6: to happen, but we didn't ever you know, that posts
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  Speaker 6: never taken down or there was never an update that said, hey,
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  Speaker 6: she's been found. And from there, you know, they obviously
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  Speaker 6: launched an investigation into her disappearance and they you know,
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  Speaker 6: last update from them when I last spoke with them
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  Speaker 6: on October twelfth, they said that the investigation is still active. So,
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  Speaker 6: you know, over a year of her missing and there's
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  Speaker 6: still according to Evinville Police, they're still talking with her
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  Speaker 6: mom to try to look at any new leads, but
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  Speaker 6: they haven't turned up any new developments.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 2: Two weeks before her mother is to arrive in Indiana
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  Speaker 2: to take her back to Texas, Andy Wagner goes to
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  Speaker 2: her grandparents' house and packs a bag. Andy Wagner is
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  Speaker 2: only at the house for about ten minutes, then leaves
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  Speaker 2: with a pack bag. Later that day, she texts her family.
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  Speaker 2: Andy Waffen stays with friends in surrounding areas, including the
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  Speaker 2: Oakland City area, but she always answers her phone. So
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  Speaker 2: when her sister Alex Wagner and her mother, Elaine Garcia
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  Speaker 2: try for several days to reach her by phone and fail,
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  Speaker 2: they reach out to the Evansville Police Department and file
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  Speaker 2: a missing person report on August twelve.
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  Speaker 1: You know, interesting, there is a thing called routine evidence.
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  Speaker 1: And my routine evidence. I don't mean typical evidence or
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  Speaker 1: run of the mill evidence. I mean evidence of routine.
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  Speaker 1: For instance, if I didn't show up to this studio
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  Speaker 1: sit down with the full knowledge of the facts as
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  Speaker 1: we know them now, that would be extremely uncharacteristic. It
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  Speaker 1: would be out of my routine. When every morning you
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  Speaker 1: get off, you get up, and you turn on the
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  Speaker 1: coffee maker, that's your routine. The fact that she suddenly
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  Speaker 1: quit returning texts and phone calls is very, very significant.
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  Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grease joining me is Alan Bennett
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  Speaker 1: from Texas, former felony prosecutor now partner A Gunter Bennett
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  Speaker 1: and Anthos. Alan. Thank you for being with us way
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  Speaker 1: in on what you've heard so far. So she comes
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  Speaker 1: to the grandparents' house where she lives, She packs a
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  Speaker 1: quick overnight bag, she leaves. Everyone fully expects her to
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  Speaker 1: come right back. They believe she's going to see a
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  Speaker 1: visitor friend waiting on her mom to come get her,
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  Speaker 1: and she's never seen or heard from again. Anne Quit's
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  Speaker 1: returning texts well answer.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you again for having on their show. Always appreciate
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  Speaker 7: your opportunity to be here. Thank you also for continuing
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  Speaker 7: to keep this case in the national spotlight where it
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  Speaker 7: deserves to be. One thing I think you should be
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  Speaker 7: period your podcast listeners when we keep saying all the sixth,
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  Speaker 7: we're talking about all the sixth of twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 7: a year and three months ago. If I'm not mistaken.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: Secondly, Missler, I see a God with you and your family,
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  Speaker 7: and I hope we continue to keep on of our
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  Speaker 7: prayers and thoughts and wish for a speedy return of
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  Speaker 7: Andy Well was just mentioned a moment ago. I can't
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  Speaker 7: speak specifically to law enforcement in your year six, n
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  Speaker 7: or the operation of the FBI in the station, and
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  Speaker 7: I can speak generally to how long enforcement and they
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  Speaker 7: after I do things in situations like this, Nancy, you
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  Speaker 7: know will be better than anyone from your career. In
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  Speaker 7: a criminal investigation, the first forty eight hours for the
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  Speaker 7: investigation is the crucial point of following leads, chasing gad leads,
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  Speaker 7: and typically in a missing person situation here in Austin,
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  Speaker 7: here in Texas, for the finential law enforson won't even
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  Speaker 7: we'll even take a missing person's case for seventy two hours.
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  Speaker 7: They'll do a welfare check, they'll they'll knock on the door,
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  Speaker 7: but people won't formally initiate a missing persons report until
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  Speaker 7: seventy two hours are going. And of course at that
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  Speaker 7: point you've already lost the first forty eight hours, the
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  Speaker 7: most crucial time period during a criminal investigation, and that
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  Speaker 7: that is an inherent problem.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think you're right. I think you're entirely right.
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  Speaker 1: You're hearing Allan Bennett joining us out of Austin to
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  Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons joining us Brian Fitzgibbs, director of Operation USPA
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  Speaker 1: Nationwide Security, leads his team of investigator specializing and finding
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  Speaker 1: missing people. And just so you know, former marine and
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  Speaker 1: Iraqi war Vet Brian, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: So I think Alan Bennett, former felony prosecutor, is correct.
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  Speaker 1: Those first forty eight hours are so critical.
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  Speaker 8: Explain why, Brian, Absolutely, Nancy and Allen, you really hit
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  Speaker 8: the nail on the head there. We lose so much
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  Speaker 8: information as time transpires here and I have to really
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  Speaker 8: a laine. I have to applaud you for the amount
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  Speaker 8: of work that you've done to intake tips, intake leads
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  Speaker 8: and processes information.
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  Speaker 5: It's a tremendous.
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  Speaker 8: Amount of information that comes in to the family during
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  Speaker 8: a missing person's case. And as Alan mentioned, now we're
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  Speaker 8: over a year into this and we've got.
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  Speaker 5: A picture from these tipsters.
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  Speaker 8: Of you know, where, who, why, what was transpiring on
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  Speaker 8: the six We've got a picture beginning to be painted.
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  Speaker 8: But there are obviously a lot of gaps that need
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  Speaker 8: to be followed up by law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: So last the first forty eight I mean they've even
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  Speaker 1: created a TV program about it. It's so critical because
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  Speaker 1: why in a nutshell, Brian.
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  Speaker 8: In a nutshell, that's where you're going to get your
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  Speaker 8: best information, your most relevant and active information that can
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  Speaker 8: be followed up upon right away. So when this reporting,
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  Speaker 8: when that time goes by seventy two hours, ninety six hours,
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  Speaker 8: we're losing opportunities to follow up on these immediate leads.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of quick questions to Steve Mali joining us
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  Speaker 1: from fourteen e's at Evansville. Steve, when she of the
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  Speaker 1: house of for grandparents' home where she was living, she
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  Speaker 1: walks out with an overnight bag. Did she get into
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  Speaker 1: a car? Did she hell a cab an uber? Did
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  Speaker 1: she catch a bus? Are there any ring doorbell cams
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  Speaker 1: in the area that caught whose car she got into?
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  Speaker 1: What do we know about the day that she left?
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  Speaker 6: Well, police obviously you know our latest updates from police
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  Speaker 6: as far as where this case stands, where she could
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  Speaker 6: have gone, you know, as it's been mentioned before, folks
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  Speaker 6: saying she was last seen in Oakland City, which is
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  Speaker 6: about you know, forty minutes forty five minutes and change
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  Speaker 6: north of Evansville. So in retrospect to the roads that
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  Speaker 6: we have here, we have two major highways that could
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  Speaker 6: lead up that way, of whether it's on a Highway
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  Speaker 6: forty one or Interstate sixty nine can lead us up
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  Speaker 6: to Oakland City. So it's not by a far stretch
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  Speaker 6: the imagination that that could have been the last place
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  Speaker 6: that she was seen. But according to police. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: if there was any video that could have been seen
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  Speaker 6: of her leaving, we have not received that from police,
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  Speaker 6: at least has not been publicly released by police.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's think about that, Ella Garcia. You hear Steve
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  Speaker 1: Mellan and Brian Fitzgibbon all A Benett speaking Elaine. Do
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  Speaker 1: Andy's grandparents have a ring door cam? Is there any
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  Speaker 1: surveillance video in their home?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, they do have a ring door caam.
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  Speaker 1: Was that retrieved?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 3: From my understanding, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: Did you look at it?
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  Speaker 3: No? Was it shown to me?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you do know that the family is the repository.
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  Speaker 1: Like if I want to look at my ring camera,
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  Speaker 1: I can look on my phone and see what happened last.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the police are going to give it to you.
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  Speaker 1: You have to look at it yourself. It belongs to
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  Speaker 1: your grandparents if they've got a ring doorbell cam. Do
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  Speaker 1: you ever look at it?
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  Speaker 3: No, ma'am. They never offered her, I asked. They never
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how to say it. They never willingly say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: do you want to look at the ring cam?
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  Speaker 1: You're Annie's mom? Did you ever say I'm trying to Andy,
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  Speaker 1: I need to look at the ring cam to see
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  Speaker 1: what kind of cars you got into, is ma'am? You
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  Speaker 1: said that and they wouldn't give it to you.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't. They did not show it to me. Now why,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. They did show one other female, but
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  Speaker 3: they didn't show it to me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now I'm getting somewhere, and remember, everybody, I'm a JD,
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  Speaker 1: not a DDS. Don't know how to pull teeth. So,
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  Speaker 1: Eline Garcia, there is video, and they showed it to
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  Speaker 1: somebody else, And what, if anything does it reveal.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: From my understanding is that this female went to the wagoners,
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  Speaker 3: took screenshots of the cam of whatever car picked her up,
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  Speaker 3: and then this is what I was told. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: a one hundred percent sure that this is true, but
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  Speaker 3: what I was told that it was deleted after that.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what kind of vehicle it was?
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  Speaker 3: Nancy myself I don't know, but from my understanding it
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  Speaker 3: was a red vehicle. I don't know what kind, what type.
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  Speaker 3: I just was told it was a red vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I am very very confused right now. Steve Malling,
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  Speaker 1: Steve Melling joining us from fourteen News as to what
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  Speaker 1: exactly is happening in this case. You've got a twenty
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  Speaker 1: four year old girl who walks out of her grandparents
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  Speaker 1: house with an overnight bag to go visit friends. She's
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  Speaker 1: never seen again, and nobody obtained the ring doorcam video
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  Speaker 1: to show me what kind of car she got into?
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  Speaker 1: Is this real?
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  Speaker 6: As far as I'm aware, you know, a very common
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  Speaker 6: for us, at least in this area. During the active investigations,
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  Speaker 6: police aren't going to release any necessarily any video that
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  Speaker 6: they you know, can concretely tie, unless you know, they
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  Speaker 6: feel like there is a strong indication, you know that say,
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  Speaker 6: you know, we have another missing person's case here where
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  Speaker 6: there was a surveillance surveillance video of a woman who
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  Speaker 6: got into a Chevy suburban and the FBI worked with
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  Speaker 6: EPD on that case and they ended up belief in
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  Speaker 6: that video. So I haven't asked police specifically if there
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  Speaker 6: is you know, ring doorbell footage of her leaving, so
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  Speaker 6: I can't concretely say whether or not they have that video.
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  Speaker 1: We where do the grandparents live?
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  Speaker 3: They live on off Oak Hill, very nice subdivision, has
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  Speaker 3: a huge library, Oakill Library.
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  Speaker 1: Alane Garcia, am I correct in believing that the grandparents'
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  Speaker 1: home is near oak Kill Library.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, is right off the lynch. You go down
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  Speaker 3: Oak Hill and it goes downhill and there's this huge
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  Speaker 3: Oakill Library.
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  Speaker 1: So it seems to me and I want to go
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  Speaker 1: back to E. Brian Fitzgibbons that the first thing you
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  Speaker 1: do is obtain the security caam library from the red
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  Speaker 1: lights at either end of the street. If there is
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  Speaker 1: a cam, you pass businesses, you get their cams to
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  Speaker 1: try to piece together and figure out what red car
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  Speaker 1: she was in. That's number one, number two. At the
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  Speaker 1: same time, I would be working on pings from her phone.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime Online.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: On August twelfth, the Evansville Police Department sends out a
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: missing person announcement to local media. The report says twenty
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: four year old Andy Wagner was reported missing by a
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: family member and the last time they had any contact
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: with her was on August sixth. Wagner is described as
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: five foot six, one hundred and fifteen pounds, with brown
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: hair and brown eyes. Andy has a mold near her
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: upper lip and several tattoos. She has her mother's name
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: on her forearm, a small rocket on her left ankle,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: and one with Roman numerals. She was last seen wearing
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: an orange tank top in jeans.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: An orange tank top in jene to see that would
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: show up on security video. What if anythin can you
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: tell me, Elaine Garcia about your daughter's cell phone habits?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Did she normally answer calls? Did she normally return texts?
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Yes? I mean not one hundred percent the time, but
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: she will. She would eventually. Before we didn't hear. If
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I didn't hear from her in a day or two,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: I would definitely hear from her, like the third or
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: fourth day. She always kept in contact with me to
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: let me know she was doing okay. She kept in
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: contact with her grandmother and her sister, and so.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: All the contacts ceased on August sixth.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Yes, when I found out that she was missing, I
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: called her number, it was answered and it was hung up.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I called again. I was restricted.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Had she ever restricted? You before, Miss Garcia, No, ma'am so,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Doctor John Delatorie joining us now license psychologists specializing and
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: forensics psychology. Doctor Delatory, thank you for being with us.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: If she had never blocked her mother before and her
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: whole life after twenty four years of living, I find
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: it very difficult to believe that she would block her
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: mother now.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Well, I totally agree.
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: And as you described before about a person's routine, the
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: person's routine is deeply in set in how they're going
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: to behave from one day to the next. The only
• 21:29
  Speaker 9: thing that would force someone to deviate from their routine
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: is if there's something in distress that's happening, so they
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: could be overwhelmed with something or someone else has interrupted
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: the person's routine. That there is a second person, potentially
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: even a third person that has come into that person's
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: life and completely upended that person's routine.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: You know what it brings to mind, Doctor Delatory. It
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: brings to mind or to me anyway. Gabby Petito who
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: went on a cross country trip in her Ford transit
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: with her then fiance, Brian Laundry, and after he had
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: murdered her, he came back using her credit card, using
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: her for transit, and he had her phone, and he
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: had access and control over her phone, and he would
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: text her family, accept or deny phone calls from her family,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: pretending to be her. So comparing that to this case
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: where Elaine tries to call Andy, the person picks up
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: and hangs up when she realizes it's the mom, and
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: then she immediately calls back and she's been blocked. What
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: do you make of that, doctor Delatory?
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah, with laundry, this is someone who wants to make
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: sure that that crime stays on her right, it remains hate.
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: A behavior like this could signify that the person who
• 22:59
  Speaker 9: recognized is that the phone could be used to mark
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: wherever it is that it's being held at, so they
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: answer it to see if something is going on, but
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: then immediately shut it down. Right, So, it's certainly possible
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: that the person who is just simply trying to eliminate
• 23:14
  Speaker 9: contact at all.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Elaine, in your whole history with your daughter Andy, who's
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: just by the way, beautiful young girl, has she ever
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: blocked you before? You're saying no, correct.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: No, She's never blocked me, No matter how mad or
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: any arguments that we had, she would never block me.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: And question has she ever gone this long before and
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: stay out of contact with you and her family ever.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Absolutely not, especially, And I'm not trying to make anybody
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: else look or make myself look good, especially with me.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Andy reached out to me every time she needed help.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Every time she felt like she was about to be
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: in trouble, she reached out to me. Our thing when
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: I was raising them was open communication. I said to them,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: if you do something or something happens, I may get mad,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: but I'm going to get over it and we're going
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: to get through it together. So Annie has never blocked
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: me because she's always told me what was going on
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: in her life.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Joining me right now is one of the founders of
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Brothers Underwater Recovery, a search and rescue dive team also
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: searches on land who has been helping in the search
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: for Andy, and you can find them online at Brothers
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Underwater Recovery. Ronnie, thank you for being with us. Tell
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: me about your efforts trying to find this beautiful young
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: girl Andy.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: We have searched a lot of these strip fits and things.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: We've had some information come in to myself and Miss
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: Garcia that you know there may be a boat involved
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: in this case, So we're strictly we do a lot
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: of land searching, but mainly we do waterways with sonar technology,
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: and that's what we're focused on mainly. At this point.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: There's over three hundred strip pits in that area and
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: we're just trying to eliminate them all.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: You know, what's interesting in this case? Or so many
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: things that she could just drop off the map, and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: there seemingly has been no real searches for her. We can't.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: We tried to contact police. I find that very very unusual.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think or thought we were all on
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the same team trying to find Andy. And as a
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: matter of fact, Miss Garcia, I recently did a crime
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: alert about Andy's disappearance. Shortly after that crime alert, you
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: had a meeting with law enforcement in which they basically
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: scolded you for speaking about the case publicly.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Is that true, yes, ma'am.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Why why do they not want you to bring attention
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: to Andy's case?
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Miss Nancy, I honestly do not know.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to make sense of what we know. Right now.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: We have a little more information. Take a listen to this.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: After moving to Evansville from Texas to help find her daughter.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Aline Garcia and others organized a Facebook group where is
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Andy to raise awareness about the case and help coordinate
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: grassroots efforts to locate Wagner. Garcia has also spoke to
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: the local media outlets about her ongoing efforts to find
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: her daughter. Police believe Andy Wagner was last seen in
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Oakland City, Indiana, Okay.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Explain that to me Steve Melling joining us from fourteen knees.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: So she's not last saying in Evansville. Now, I understand
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: she's last saying in Oakland City, about forty minutes away.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, last day. Last I've heard from evans the police.
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: The last update regarding you know where her whereabouts could
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: be was that police believed that she was last seen
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: up in Oakland City, which is about forty forty five
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: minutes north of Evansville, up in Gibson County, which is
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: a county above Vanderburgh, right at the highway.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Now, when do we believe that siding was.
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: I don't believe that they gave us a specific date
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: on that disappears, but I believe it was pretty recent
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: to August sixth. I believe it was either August sixth
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: or August seventh, they believe they saw her last.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Alane Garcia, Andy Wager's mom. What tell me about the
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: siding of her? In Oakland City, forty minutes south of Evansville.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: So I was given a tip that she had been
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: picked up from Newburgh through Oakland in city. I have
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: one tips or that said that they literally saw her
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: get out of a vehicle with three other guys and
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: that was the last that they saw her.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Is this a person that knows Andy.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: No, but recognized her flyers?
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Are these flyers that you put up?
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Do you believe the person is credible?
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know because I don't know them personally. They
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: sound like an older couple.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Ronnie, are you familiar with this sighting?
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: I am familiar with you know miss Scarcia telling me
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: about it.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, what what if anything do you know about
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the signing? Should we believe it or not?
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: They seem, you know, they seem like an older couple,
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: like Miss Scarcia.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Said, Well, but I hear you saying older. Are they blind?
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I mean they saw that, they saw the flyer, they
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: see the girl. They call the number. You got two people?
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: You say, a couple? That's two people identify this girl.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, are they are they drunk? Are they high?
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Are they blind? Can they not see? Or the lighting
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: conditions bad? Was it the dead of night? Do we
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: believe the sighting? Guys? This could not be more critical.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: And that's what that was one of the questions I
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: asked this person, why didn't you call it in?
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, wait, they did call it in. That's how you
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: found out about them.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Right months later, like months later, they reached out to
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: me on messenger, okay, because I was posting about Andy
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: and posting pictures.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: So have you gone to meet with them?
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: No?
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: They don't want a lot of these Miss Nancy, A
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: lot of these people that come to me don't want.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: To get involved, be involved.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: They don't want, you know, I have asked can we meet?
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Can can we talk on you know?
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: No?
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: So it's not from your lack of try prime stories
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. You know Alan Bennett joining me former
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: prosecutor now partner at Gunter Bennett and Anthus, Alan, I've
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: seen it a million times and I believe Eline Garcia
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: is right. I think that it is an amazing blessing
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: that they even responded on the internet to her. People
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: don't want to get involved, they don't want anything to
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: do with it, and so so many cases go unsolved.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Missing people remain missing because witnesses are afraid to come forward.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I think Elaine is telling it exactly the way it happened.
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: I am puzzled about law enforcement's hand and of potential
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: evidence in this case, ring Candras, Halo, Cottage, Aklo, the
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: long percement puttinge. You see an intersection after nine to eleven.
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: If there's a missing person, law enforcement temple he puts
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: every scrap of evidents they can into the media with
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: the questions has anyone seen this card? Does anyone recognize
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: this card? Does anyone recognized this person? I'm puzzled used
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: to by law enforcement declines the opportunity to come on
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: to your show. They would take every opportunity available to
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: continue to get that message out. And I'm those things
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: puzzle me.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: And you know what another thing, Alan Bennett, following up
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: on what you're saying, there may be a perfectly innocent
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: explanation about what police are doing. You know, I used
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: to have a judge's the best judge in the courthouse,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: by the way. He was in his eighties and he
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: would tell jurys, it is your duty to make all
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the witnesses speak the truth, impugning perjury on no one.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: In other words, it's your duty to go back in
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: that jury deliberation room and make all the puzzle pieces
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: fit together and assume nobody's lying. I don't want to
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: assume the police have done a bad job. They may
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: know a lot that they can't or won't say, so
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I don't want to impugne them now. I do think
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: they need to communicate with Andy's mother better than their doing.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: That does not mean they have dropped the case. Now.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Why they wouldn't come on with me, I don't know
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: the answer that, But I do know this. There is
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: a credible sighting by not one, but two people out
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: of Oakland City, Indiana, Newburgh. So we may have an
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: issue of crossing state lines. And if we cross state lines,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: that's a perfect opportunity for the FBI to get involved.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Steve Malling is the FBI involved last.
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: Time last week checked. I believe this is just a
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: strictly evans A police case.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, yes, and I want to I do want.
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: To just clarify one thing for you. Oakland City is
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: forty five minutes north of Evansville, so it is north,
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: so you would have to drive about an hour to
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: get to the border of Kentucky.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: How far is Kentucky from Oakland City?
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: I'd say probably about fifty minutes to an hour.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Where is Newburgh?
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: In that case, Newburgh is just east of Evansville, so
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: it's about fifteen minutes east, And so from Newburgh to
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: Oakland City you're talking about probably the same amount of
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: time it takes to get to Evansville is probably about
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: forty five minutes.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: But I would like to ask miss Nancy, if you
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: don't mind, please jump in, is why when Andy left
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: with this individual and took him took her to his place,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: why was not And I don't know if they have
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: or they didn't, but I haven't gotten a straight answer.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Has anybody in that area where he lived? Did they
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: ask any of the neighbors for rereen Camps?
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's back it up just a moment. You're telling
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: me you believe she got in the car with a
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: guy that took her to his place. You already know that, Yes, yes,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I was told.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Who she was with where she went to Newburgh. And
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: now this person is claiming that he was asleep, and
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Andie he went to sleep at two o'clock and Andy
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: left at two thirty.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: In the morning.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Ronnie joining us from Brothers Underwater Recovery, also searches on land.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: He's been working on this case. What can you tell
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: me about a tip that Andy was taken by a
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: guy to his place? And now that guy, who I'm
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: not going to name, is claiming he was sleep and
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: that she left. Okay, what can you tell me about that?
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: So supposedly she was picked up from the grandparents and
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: took to Newburgh. This is a guy that she was
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: supposedly seeing, which I do believe actually also has a
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: girl for our wife. And well, she was staying there
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: with him. And this guy supposedly went to sleep at
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: two o'clock in the morning, and then Andy went to
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: leave at two thirty. But if he was asleep, how
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: could he know that she left at two thirty? And
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: if I'm not mistaken, Miss Garcia, isn't this the same
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: residence that somebody's seen Andy outside the residence and a
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: couple of guys grabbed her took her back in the house.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Right there is where this case needs to be in
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Newburgh because you have. You've got not only the couple
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: claiming that they saw her in Oakland City, which is
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: not far from Newburgh. I think I've got the geography
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: right now. You've got more than one witness placing her
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: at this apartment with this guy that we believe to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: be married, and the last thing he wants is for
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: it to get out that he seeing this young twenty
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: five year twenty four year old girl. Yeah, I don't
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: think his wife would take kindly to that. So let
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: me ask you, Brian Vince Gibbons, Director Operations at USPA
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Nationwide Security. That's where the investigation needs to be. We've
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: got multiple signings of her in this area and maybe
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: even at this apartment.
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: You're absolutely right, Nancy, and having had a chance to
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: go over some of these tips with both Ronnie and
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: Owayne prior to the show, I can tell you that
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: there's something to the pattern in the volume of tips
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: around this crew of people that surround that Newberg apartment
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: that you know. Some of these tips are anonymous, some
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: of these tips are from people that are non anonymous,
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: But there is a high number of tips that surround
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: Andy going to this apartment in Newburgh and that is
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: indeed where this investigation needs to go as quickly as possible.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, Ronnie joining us from Brothers underwater recovery. What can
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: you tell me about police investigation in Newburgh?
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: As far as I know, there is not onely. She
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: went to a party the next night after she left
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: that house, which was in Oakland City. That's why this
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: investigation has went to Oakland City.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: So she was spotted at August the seventh at a
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: party in Oakland City? Is that correct, yes, ma'am. And
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Steve Milling how far away is Oakland City from Newburgh?
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: About forty five minutes.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Well, she's got to be getting from place to place somehow.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Somebody is giving her a ride. Elaine Garcia, what about
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: pinging her phone? Has that happened?
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: It has happened, but I cannot remember if they said
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: it pinged in Newburgh or it pinged in Evansville. But
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, I think they did something to my daughter,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: brought her phone back into town and used it to
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: ping it to make it look like she was in town.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: When you say in town, you mean Evansville, Yes, ma'am.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: What was do you know the last ping on her phone?
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Was it in Evansville. No, so we've got her alive
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: the night of the seventh, and something goes wrong the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: night of August the seventh. If you have information on
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: this girl, twenty four year old Andy Wagner, please dial
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: eight one two four three six for zero one two.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Repeat eight one two four three six for zero one two.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: The search for Andy goes on. Goodbye, friend, you you man.