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Tanner Litchfield: Building Success Without Losing Your Family · Becoming

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  Speaker 1: We've all made mistakes. But if you've been living as
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  Speaker 1: if you are the mistake, that's the difference. You made
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  Speaker 1: a mistake. Go fix it. Don't do it again. Jesus
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  Speaker 1: is a perfect example. He finds a woman caught in
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  Speaker 1: adultery and he basically says, look, go and sin no more.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't condemn her. It was a sin that he condemned.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, he didn't agree with it. There's a principle
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  Speaker 1: behind guilt and shame that I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: us misconstrue. And I'm trying to help my children also
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  Speaker 1: know because they're going to make mistakes. God is there
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  Speaker 1: and his arm is outstretched for us at all times.
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  Speaker 1: No matter what you've ever done, he will have his
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  Speaker 1: arm outstretched, but we have to reach out to him.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, welcome to the Winning Balance podcast. Today we are
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  Speaker 2: met with Sir Bubba Page.
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  Speaker 1: Howdy.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on, brother. I've been trying to get
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  Speaker 2: this to happen for the last few months and somehow
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  Speaker 2: my message sneaked through there somehow and here we are.
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  Speaker 3: So I appreciate you coming on brother.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I'm glad we're here. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You're, you're a stat like there's someone looking from the
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  Speaker 2: outside and it looks like you have had like an
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  Speaker 2: immense amount of success. Um, and for me personally, success
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  Speaker 2: doesn't mean a lot. If your priorities with family are
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  Speaker 2: out of touch. And I think you have put your,
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  Speaker 2: like your kids specifically, which I'm going to dive into
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  Speaker 2: how many kids, when I say plural, There are into
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  Speaker 2: that eight kids.
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  Speaker 3: I'll ruin the surprise.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: But how much of a focus that is in your
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  Speaker 2: life is like an inspiration to me that you can
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  Speaker 2: build so much success in the entrepreneur business space, but still.
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  Speaker 3: Be there for those eight beautiful children.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, man. I appreciate it. I mean, it's been a
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  Speaker 1: wild ride. I feel like I'm getting old, and yet
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  Speaker 1: my body, I'm trying to stay young, as young as
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  Speaker 1: I can.
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  Speaker 3: You look good, dude.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying.
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  Speaker 3: It's working.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying. I just did the Spartan race. Really? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago. It was so much fun.
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  Speaker 3: Which one did you do?
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  Speaker 1: The Beast.
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  Speaker 3: Really? I want to do that one.
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  Speaker 1: The Spartan Beast.
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  Speaker 2: I did the middle, average, mediocre guy. Yeah, last year.
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  Speaker 2: And this year, I thought I was going to train for...
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  Speaker 2: bodybuilding show because I wanted to push myself.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, I have a new respect for those people. It's insane.
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  Speaker 2: I got burnt out. They had me eating 4,300 calories.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's horrible.
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  Speaker 2: Three months in, I was like, I'm trying to run
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  Speaker 2: a business, try to be a dad.
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  Speaker 1: I can't do this. Look, I just did cross. It's
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  Speaker 1: my go-to exercise mechanism. So CrossFit led really well into
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  Speaker 1: the Spartan. I ended up, I didn't know. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know while I was in it, but I ended up
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  Speaker 1: in the top 2% of all of the racers for
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  Speaker 1: the beast.
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  Speaker 3: Are you serious?
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  Speaker 1: I was super happy about that. You know, look, I'm 42. Well,
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  Speaker 1: turning 42 next week. And it feels like, you know, I'm,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in, some of the best shape I've been in
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  Speaker 1: my life. I've got great joy and happiness in my life. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I've been through hell multiple times in my life. And
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  Speaker 1: I think everyone has to expect that that's part of
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  Speaker 1: God's plan in this whole, uh, you know, life that
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  Speaker 1: we live. Um, But I feel like life is moving
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  Speaker 1: in the right direction. But let's talk about it. Let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about this life.
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  Speaker 3: Good for you, dude. I want to dive into it.
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  Speaker 1: And see if we can help some people.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you will, Bubba.
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  Speaker 2: I'll dive into your bio and just read this blurb.
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  Speaker 2: And then afterwards, I'd love to dive into the chronological.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go.
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  Speaker 2: The road to Bubba's wonderful success and all the bumps
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  Speaker 2: and bruises in between. So Bubba Page is a single
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  Speaker 2: dad of eight, a serial entrepreneur. and a devout Christian.
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  Speaker 2: He built and sold multiple companies, including Inc. 5000 Standout,
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  Speaker 2: Launch Leads, and now leads Influence.VC, a syndicate that turbocharges
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  Speaker 2: startups with influencer marketing. He recently launched TheBusinessBootCamp.com and soon
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  Speaker 2: to be FatherhoodMovement.com. Which is about empowering parents to lead
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  Speaker 2: at home with entrepreneur tools like KPIs and one-on-ones. Fueled
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  Speaker 2: by faith, family, and grit, Bubba blends business and Christianity
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  Speaker 2: to help others show up strong at home and in business.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 2: Can I just say these two ideas.
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  Speaker 2: Just for what i know about you bubba like the
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  Speaker 2: i don't know much about you at this point and
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  Speaker 2: i'm excited to get to know you more but those
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  Speaker 2: two ideas i swear are like genius ideas and i
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  Speaker 2: do not say that lightly like seriously oh thanks i
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  Speaker 2: think like the fun structure or a syndicate using influence
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  Speaker 2: like i don't know of anyone else that does that
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  Speaker 2: and i think it's.
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  Speaker 3: Huge asset to the business.
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  Speaker 1: It's not as common. There's plenty of VCs out there,
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  Speaker 1: and look, huge respect. Being in venture capital is a
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  Speaker 1: crazy game. It's such high risk, high return potential. But
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  Speaker 1: most of them don't have expertise within social media. And
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  Speaker 1: so to be able to invest into startups, usually for
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  Speaker 1: us it's consumer product or consumer tech. And then we
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  Speaker 1: bring influencer, either people or knowledge, know how the game plan,
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  Speaker 1: the roadmap, the playbook to be able to help those investments,
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  Speaker 1: meaning the startups with that game plan. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it is a little bit more unique. There's more coming
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  Speaker 1: because social media is all prevalent. Obviously, we're here and
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  Speaker 1: it'll be shared on social. But I got to spend
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  Speaker 1: a decade of my life doing it and building companies
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  Speaker 1: around it and working with influencers also being one and
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  Speaker 1: being married to one and having companies that were built
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  Speaker 1: around that ecosystem has, I think, helped give me a
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  Speaker 1: little unique advantage. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Tons of experience. How long has that company been?
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  Speaker 1: Just two and a half years, barely, yeah. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I was angel investing all the way back in 2015.
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  Speaker 1: That's when I wrote my first check. And then, so
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  Speaker 1: I've invested in a bunch of companies individually, and then
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  Speaker 1: we formalized it two, two and a half years ago, roughly,
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  Speaker 1: where I just felt like I had enough money People
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  Speaker 1: coming to me saying, why didn't you tell me about
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  Speaker 1: that deal? You invested in this one. I wish I
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  Speaker 1: was invested in that one. Why don't you tell me?
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  Speaker 1: And so, and the more I invested and would publish that, like,
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  Speaker 1: let's say on LinkedIn that, Hey, I invested in this company,
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  Speaker 1: the more inbound deal flow I would get. So the
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  Speaker 1: more entrepreneurs would say, like, this guy's an active investor.
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  Speaker 1: Let's look at his background. Let's see his expertise. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I want him to invest in my startup. So I
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  Speaker 1: started getting, you know, 100, then 150, and then 200
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  Speaker 1: deals on a monthly basis of people coming inbound because
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  Speaker 1: they found me on socials. And so, you know, as
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  Speaker 1: an investor, one of the key criteria is deal flow
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  Speaker 1: to be able to get the cream of the crop
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  Speaker 1: that you possibly can. And so, you know, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the deals that are coming are not going to
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  Speaker 1: be great. but that's where I'm funneling, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's 200, you know, as, as the socials continue to grow,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be having 200, 300, 400 and 500 deal deals
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  Speaker 1: coming in on a monthly basis that, um, I'm only
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  Speaker 1: going to invest in the top 1%. So I hate that.
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  Speaker 1: I feel sorry for anyone who's trying to get investment,
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  Speaker 1: but really maybe 1% will receive any true funding.
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  Speaker 2: So where do you feel like maybe not a bottleneck,
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  Speaker 2: but Maybe the slower part of your business, is it
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  Speaker 2: raising capital for these investments or is it the deal
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  Speaker 2: for like picking the crop?
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  Speaker 3: The cream of the crop, specifically.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm an entrepreneur first. I'm an investor second.
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  Speaker 1: So I see things from an operator's perspective, just because
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  Speaker 1: I am an operator. I've built and sold in multiple companies.
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  Speaker 1: So the deal flow that's coming in, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I can pick fairly quickly which ones rise to the top.
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  Speaker 1: The raising capital is an interesting game. Because, look, I
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  Speaker 1: would suggest that most investors or accredited investors, to be specific,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna have a diversified portfolio, and venture capital should
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  Speaker 1: be no more, in my opinion, than 10%, maybe even
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  Speaker 1: 5% of your overall investments, because of the risk involved.
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  Speaker 1: And so they've gotta look at what they're investing in,
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  Speaker 1: and are they over-allocated into startups, or usually angel investors,
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  Speaker 1: they have a horrible track record, because they only see
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  Speaker 1: one or two deals a year. And it's their neighbor
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  Speaker 1: or their friend's uncle and they put money into it.
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  Speaker 1: And of course it fails. So for them to invest
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  Speaker 1: alongside somebody like me is I have that deal flow
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  Speaker 1: they don't have. So they get opportunities to invest and
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  Speaker 1: then have, you know, our level of due diligence. And
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  Speaker 1: then I always follow other bigger investors, venture capital funds. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, local ones like Pellion or Kickstarter or Peterson
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, they're writing the biggest check. And then we
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  Speaker 1: come in with a smaller check together as a group.
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  Speaker 1: So that way there's even more due diligence and research and,
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  Speaker 1: and nothing is guaranteed, but there's a higher probability of success.
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  Speaker 1: And then hopefully I can, like you said, turbocharge that startup.
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  Speaker 1: with the expertise of influencers to help them grow faster.
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  Speaker 1: So you can tell I'm passionate about it. I love startups, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: building them myself. I love investing in startups because I
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  Speaker 1: can see the entrepreneur and I can really build a
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  Speaker 1: relationship and know, like, and trust them to want to
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  Speaker 1: give them my money, let alone gather other funds to
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  Speaker 1: do it. And, you know, the thrill of the chase
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  Speaker 1: of making it work and having to problem solve when
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't, because inevitably they don't always work out. I
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  Speaker 1: love that, but it also gives me a chance. I
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  Speaker 1: can be involved in tons of startups and not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: be running that specific one day to day. And so
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  Speaker 1: just at my, at the stage of my career, I
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  Speaker 1: love that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, like I nerd out about this stuff too. I,
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  Speaker 2: and I, Just feeling your passion behind it gets me
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  Speaker 2: excited about it.
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  Speaker 3: Um, but.
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  Speaker 2: With that being said too, like, and I have questions
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  Speaker 2: about this because again, this stuff intrigues me a lot,
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  Speaker 2: but then we'll dive into your full story and kind
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  Speaker 2: of the chronological, but so when you are using, let's like,
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  Speaker 2: cause the normal VC fund, they send the money in
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  Speaker 2: and there's not a lot of value add on their end.
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  Speaker 2: Like they're in terms of bolstering that company, they're, If
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  Speaker 2: I understand that rightly.
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  Speaker 1: Some can produce great value mainly based on their network.
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  Speaker 1: They just know a lot of people. So if you're hiring,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they've got a key hire. Or maybe they have
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  Speaker 1: an expertise in SaaS and you're a SaaS company. And
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  Speaker 1: so they know some of the inner workings of SaaS.
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  Speaker 1: So most venture firms, they all have some statement.
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  Speaker 3: I see.
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  Speaker 1: That we bring more than just money. We are smart money.
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  Speaker 1: That's like the standard statement of any venture fund. And
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  Speaker 1: so you have to look and see what is their
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  Speaker 1: true expertise. Are they like e-com expertise? Are they SaaS?
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  Speaker 1: Are they hardware? And it just depends on which fund
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  Speaker 1: you're going after. And then it's their network that will
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  Speaker 1: produce a lot of the value.
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  Speaker 3: That leads me to my next question.
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  Speaker 2: Are you getting a better valuation on what money you
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  Speaker 2: put in because of your value? Or are these companies
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  Speaker 2: have so many money partners to choose from that you're
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  Speaker 2: just trying to be that person?
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  Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 1: Typically the best deals you can find. people are trying
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  Speaker 1: to throw money at them. So usually they have a round.
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  Speaker 1: It's already been decided by what's called a lead investor.
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  Speaker 1: And that lead investor is a larger venture fund. What
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  Speaker 1: we're called is a follow-on investor. So somebody else has
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  Speaker 1: led the round. They've written the biggest check. And then
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  Speaker 1: we come to the table with like, let's say a
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  Speaker 1: half a million bucks. So instead of my angel check
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  Speaker 1: of 50K, I can get 10 of the people within
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  Speaker 1: my group and we'll go put in 500K. or something
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  Speaker 1: like that. And so as a follow-on investor, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: changing any of the terms. Now there are some deals
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  Speaker 1: that are very uniquely fit for my specific, you know,
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  Speaker 1: experience and use case. And so, yes, there, there are
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  Speaker 1: potential better terms because they're coming to me very specifically
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  Speaker 1: about you are the investor we want because of this
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  Speaker 1: background in socials or this background. Cause it's interesting. Half
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  Speaker 1: my career was in B2B tech sales and that's where
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  Speaker 1: I built that company and sold it. And then the
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  Speaker 1: other half was around social and more consumer and And
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  Speaker 1: so it's a unique blend that some companies fit perfectly in.
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  Speaker 1: And so they may want us in over other investors.
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  Speaker 1: And so they could produce better terms.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: So will Pellion, a Pellion type company, try to bring
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  Speaker 2: you on as a strategic partner for them too then?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And then Pellion invited us into one
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  Speaker 1: of their, you know, they'll invite us into one of
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  Speaker 1: their deals because they know the level of expertise we
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  Speaker 1: can bring that they don't have.
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  Speaker 3: That's so cool.
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  Speaker 1: But they've got great value. I mean, I'm an LP
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  Speaker 1: in Pellion's fund anyway. So like I invested in their
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  Speaker 1: fund because I love what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't they just do like a $ 900 million?
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  Speaker 1: 500. Yeah, but it's huge. It's just huge. For Utah's.
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  Speaker 3: Specifically.
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  Speaker 2: It's huge.
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  Speaker 1: And their track record speaks for itself. So they're doing
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  Speaker 1: a great job. I love the people that are behind
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  Speaker 1: it and long-term relationships with those guys. And then they
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  Speaker 1: know me. And usually you invest with people you know, like,
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  Speaker 1: and trust. Like that's the core value. So if I
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  Speaker 1: can give a tip to new entrepreneurs who are trying
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  Speaker 1: to raise capital, because I get this all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I get cold outreach to me all the time. And look,
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  Speaker 1: go for it. But that's not the ideal way to
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  Speaker 1: get in touch with an investor. Feel free. Send me
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  Speaker 1: your stuff. Maybe one pops up and I get connected.
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  Speaker 1: But it's always going to be based off of a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: So as an early stage entrepreneur and you're looking for funding,
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  Speaker 1: try to find the relationships to those investors you want
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  Speaker 1: to get connected to and get an introduction. This is
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  Speaker 1: like fundraising 101. if you can get introduced by someone,
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  Speaker 1: the investor respects, then your deal goes to the top
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  Speaker 1: of the pile. Cause look, I've got hundreds of inbound, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, deal flow, the deals, people wanting funding. But
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  Speaker 1: if my friend called me, which my buddy Jay called me, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I want to introduce you to this person. It's right
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  Speaker 1: in your, your space, right? It's a consumer pet product. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and it's, they've already grown super fast on social. They're
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  Speaker 1: leveraging a bunch of influencers, uh, And he's like, and
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  Speaker 1: he's got a venture capital background. He's already built and
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  Speaker 1: sold other companies. So repeat entrepreneur in the space. I
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  Speaker 1: know I can help with my strategic value. So I
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  Speaker 1: took the call and I took that call literally today.
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  Speaker 1: We're having follow-up next week. It went right to the
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  Speaker 1: top because it was introduced by a mutual friend. who's
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  Speaker 1: already a successful entrepreneur. He's already built and sold other companies.
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  Speaker 1: And so all I'm trying to say is, if I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking to you, entrepreneur, and you're wanting to raise capital,
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  Speaker 1: find an introduction in. And if your network hasn't grown
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  Speaker 1: to that level yet, build it. Go to the networking events,
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  Speaker 1: go talk to the speakers, go mention that you're wanting
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  Speaker 1: to build your network out, and build relationships, because that's
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  Speaker 1: where you're going to get in the door with these investors.
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  Speaker 1: Cold outreach very rarely works. It can, but your percentage
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  Speaker 1: of of success will just go down if it's cold,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like anything. If you're trying to get a job,
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  Speaker 1: get a referral. If you're trying to get a sale,
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  Speaker 1: get a referral from somebody. If you're like, that's just
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  Speaker 1: part of life. And it's interesting. I just, I was,
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  Speaker 1: I moderated a panel of venture capitalists for the Utah
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  Speaker 1: business magazine just last week. And so I was around
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  Speaker 1: a table of like 20 other venture funds. And one
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  Speaker 1: of the key things that we all talked about as
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  Speaker 1: like a as a agreed upon standard is that we're
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  Speaker 1: looking for scrappy entrepreneurs who can get in the door
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  Speaker 1: and we want to see them work their networks. If
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  Speaker 1: you can't get into an investor's door through a referral
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  Speaker 1: of some kind, you've already failed the first challenge. The
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  Speaker 1: first challenge is to find somebody that knows me, that
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  Speaker 1: knows you well enough and knows me well enough to
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  Speaker 1: try and make an introduction. And if you don't have it,
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  Speaker 1: then build it. But that's like, if you're thinking of
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  Speaker 1: video game status, that's like level one, you know, get
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  Speaker 1: through that level one, go through the Mario pipes to
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  Speaker 1: get to my, my inbox through a referral. Anyway, I'll
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  Speaker 1: preach that because it's just a base level fundamental deal
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  Speaker 1: for entrepreneurs to get fun funded.
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  Speaker 3: That's such a gem. I'm serious.
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  Speaker 2: Like my wheels are already spinning from, from that of
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  Speaker 2: what I can better utilize that in my business.
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  Speaker 3: So, I appreciate that. We gotta be careful.
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  Speaker 2: This could turn into a three hour podcast.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: With how much value you're giving.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: So seriously, well, Bubba, that was my fault going on
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: this tangent, but I think that's extremely valuable for the
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: audience and for myself. But I wanna rewind a little
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: bit just on your journey into.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: This, right? Like, especially... new entrepreneurs, beginning.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Stage, even where I'm at, I've been an entrepreneur for
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: eight years now. And what you do seems so far ahead, right?
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Like untouchable.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: That's not true, but I appreciate that. No, well, it's
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: hard to picture those big deals when I've been in
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: this small world for a little bit. Residential to me
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: is a small, I'm hoping I can expand beyond that anyways,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: but I'd love to hear like wherever your career started
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: and if we can go through just chronologically and here
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: at The Winning Balance, like I love hearing like the
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: family stories.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Involved in that. Good, bad, the ugly, and then where
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Bubba is today. I'd love to dive through that.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: All right, I'll try and be brief.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: No, don't be brief. I like the details.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, real fast, born here in Utah, but
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: ended up being raised in San Francisco. So that's I
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: still call home the East Bay of San Francisco suburbs.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: And but then I graduated from Mountain View High School
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: in Arizona. So I kind of have this Utah tie
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: to California to Arizona and then back to Utah for BYU.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I ended up serving an LDS mission, a Mormon mission
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: for two years in Brazil, the furthest south you could go.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Porto Alegre, and spoke Portuguese down there, which is so fun.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Love the Brazilian people. And, and then when I came back,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I was at BYU, the university, and I got involved
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: in my very first startup. Now I have no entrepreneurs
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: in my family. Uh, and so I have doctors and
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: dentists and lawyers, but no one to kind of guide
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: me through that, that road. And so I had no idea.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I just had done a couple of sales jobs here
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: and there. And so I was invited to join this company.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: It wasn't mine to start. I was invited in because
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I had some sales skills. So even at that young age,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I had at least created some kind of value. So
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: that little company, I ended up two years later, um,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: selling my ownership, this tiny little piece. to my partners,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: and it allowed me to go. And I was getting
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: married at the time, so I put money on my
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: first townhome. I got some real estate and paid off
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: some school debt. And it was a great micro win
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: as a college student. But during that college experience, I
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: also got to, if there's any college students listening, being
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: an entrepreneur as a college student is one of the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: absolute best things you can do ever. Usually you have
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: zero responsibilities, you don't have a mortgage, you might most
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: likely don't have children. And it's like, that's what you
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: can do, you can focus on being an entrepreneur. Plus
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you have mentors. You have all the resources of the university.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: They want to help you. When you call somebody and
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: ask for help and say that you're a student, they'll
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: probably give you the time of the day. When a
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: normal adult calls and asks for help, they're probably gonna say,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I don't have time for that. So leverage that as
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: a student because you have a lot of resources. But
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: then I just had a couple jobs, normal jobs in
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: the sales arena to kind of hone my skills there.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: And as I was at one of those jobs, I realized, okay,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: so I know I believe I want to be an entrepreneur.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I got invited to do an entrepreneurial accelerator, like an incubator.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: There's a legendary investor here named Greg Warnock and Alan Hall.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: they did something called Junto Partners. And they had like
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: 200 applications, they chose 20 entrepreneurs, and then you went
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: through this eight-week rigorous course, and then they chose five winners,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: like the apprentice, you could say, at the end, and
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: then they would give direct mentorship to those. So I
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: worked my tail off during those eight weeks, and I
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: ended up getting selected as one of the top five.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: And so I had this mentor that I had been
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: working with for these last two months. And that ended
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: up being a huge catalyst, I think, because I was
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: able to start within the next six months, my first
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: company on my own, which was the Launch Leads in 2009.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: And- Launch Leads was out of college.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Launch Leads was, I was already graduated, but it was
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: very soon after college, yeah.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: In this incubator.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: And I didn't do it inside it, but I basically
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: got trained and I- gained the confidence to start something
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: on my own because of that. And then the mentorship
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: was critical. So I look back now and I say,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: you know, the beginning of my entrepreneurial career, yes, was
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: in college, but on my own was right after. I
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: would have never done it without mentorship. And, and so
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: now it's fun because I am able to mentor and
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: advise startups and entrepreneurs all the time with the business bootcamp.com.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: And so I created this 12 week program and, and
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I've leveraged some of the things I learned from that
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Junto partners program. I've taken somebody from ideation to validating
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the idea to creating the very first MVP or minimum
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: viable product to getting their first customers walking through this,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: you know, business model process, ideation process, and, And it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: so much fun because I get to help these people.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: And on the flip side, I'm just leveraging what I've
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: been taught myself. And so it's kind of this full circle,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: you know, 20 years later, almost of, of what I
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: was able to learn. And now I'm able to give
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: back in that same way that they did. So I
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: got the business started in 2009, only because I knew
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I had a certain skillset and that was in the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: sales arena. So I started a B2B tech outsource sales company.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: within an expertise I knew, I already had some level
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: of experience. And I was confident that I could actually
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: deliver real results for people. So I didn't, I'm not
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: a developer, I didn't go and try and build an
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: app on my own. I didn't go and raise capital
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: for something that I didn't know anything about. I started
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: a simple lifestyle service based company that I would highly
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: recommend first time entrepreneurs to do. So pro tip, first
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: time entrepreneur who's never done anything before, start a lifestyle
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: service based company. You don't have to raise venture capital
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: as your very first go. Do something that's easy, that's simple,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: that you already have some expertise in. It can be as,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody always talks about this, but like a
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: lawn mowing business. It can be a window washing business.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: It can be something that is simple and easy for
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: you to create revenue just so you can learn the
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: laws of business. It's not that you're going to do
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that for the next 30 years. You don't have to.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But I want you to learn what I teach my
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: kids all the time. You have revenue minus expenses equals
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: profit rep. It's simple framework. My eight-year-olds and up And
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: they can look at a business. And I asked him,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: what is the rep of that business? And then I
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: have them think through, oh, it's a restaurant. Okay, so
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: their revenue comes from food, and their expenses comes from
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the food, and the building and the employees. And so
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: they have to have enough revenue to cover expenses and
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: then have a profit. Because if you don't have profit,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: in most businesses, you don't have a business. Now, yes,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: you can raise venture capital and you can run in
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the red for a certain amount of time when you've
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: raised investor dollars. But those are so few and far between.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: The types of businesses that get funded are less than 1%.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: So look at your entrepreneurial career as a stepping stone.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Start with a simple service-based company. And if you have
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: an expertise, start there. And even if you're passionate about it,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: that's even better. But then no, you don't have to
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: stay there forever, but start learning the process of hiring employees,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: paying people to do things for you, learn management skills,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: take the accountability as the boss. And these skills will
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: help you to grow even bigger later on. So when
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I started that in 2009, in 2014, I ended up
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: having an idea within my wheelhouse, within the B2B arena,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: and it was taking, it was a referral automation platform. Well,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I knew that if I could get sales referrals and
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: hiring referrals, uh, referrals are going to close a lot
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: better than anything cold. We've already talked about that. So
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I ended up starting what was called outro.com. And I
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: went to the venture capitalists who I had started to
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: get to know through my career because their portfolio companies,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: the ones they've invested in were my clients for launch
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: leads for launch leads. So they knew my name. They
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: knew I had an expertise in this domain. So when
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: the word got out that I was starting a tech company,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: it was easy for me to raise capital. I didn't
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: have to go and knock on a hundred doors to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: get my first check because they looked at me as, huh,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: this guy's already built a successful business. It's profitable. He
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: already has a domain expertise and we already know, like,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: and trust this guy. So yeah, I got a check
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: without having a real business. It was a napkin idea
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and a PowerPoint maybe, but And that's when I got
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: my first check from a true venture capitalist, not even
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: an angel investor. It was a true venture firm. I
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: luckily got accepted Y Combinator and Techstars are accelerators for startups.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: They're phenomenal for training, but they're extremely hard to get into.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: They have thousands of applications and very few people get in.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I was lucky to get in and I was one
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: of the earliest Utah companies to get accepted into this
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Techstars program. So I ended up living in Boulder, Colorado
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: for four months, really getting direct mentorship and expertise and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: investment from this group. And, uh, and that was a
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: highlight for sure. The career of, of learning and building
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: a network, but then come in the family stuff. That
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: was one of the hardest things I ever did with
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: my family. Although I had the two thumbs up for
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: my spouse to go and do this thing. Cause it
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: was good for the career. She was at home with
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: three kids pregnant with our fourth while I was gone.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Full time.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Full time. Full time, four months.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I would come home every couple of weeks,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: but not for long. And, you know, when you're starting
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: an early stage business, your brain, your eat, sleep, breathing
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the business. And, you know, there's times and seasons for everything.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: But that was my core focus. I needed to build
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: this thing. And that was a detriment to the relationship.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: And I look back now and everything happens for a reason.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: We had to go through that type of a trial
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: to see what would happen. And the business ended up
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: having some great success. And then tanked as soon as
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: LinkedIn decide to shut us out. Long story short, we
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: won't get into it, but we were too reliant on
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: another third party for our technology, which was API into
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: LinkedIn as a base platform. And they just decided to
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: shut you off. So another pro tip when you're building
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a company, don't base it off of the reliance of
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: someone else because they can turn you off at any time.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: So that was one of those reasons. So 2009 takes
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: you to 2014. I bootstrapped the first company, meaning no
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: outside funding, and ran it as a profitable lifestyle venture.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Raised venture capital for a high-growth tech startup. And I
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: had to shut it down two and a half years later.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I was devastated. Like absolutely. It rocked my world. I
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: felt like I was, uh, I didn't even know who
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I was anymore. Like my reputation, like what was going on.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I think I felt depression, anxiety for the first time
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: in my life during that timeframe. And, um, luckily my
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: first business was continuing to cashflow. I had hired a
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: CEO to run it on a day-to-day basis. Um, and
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: so I was able to take some time to just
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: collect my thoughts and see what the heck was going on. And, um,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: it was one of the hardest things I went through
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: for sure. You know, one of those little mini hells
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: that we all have to go through versions of that
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: in our life. But I think we learn so much
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: more from our failures than we do our successes. And
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the reason for that is that the amount of self-reflection,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the introspection of what happened, what could we have done different?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: How could we have done better? it really makes a
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: huge impact on people's lives. And then I ended up
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: getting involved in more of the social media stuff. So
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: my wife at the time was able to, she had
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: this great blog. It was back in the blogger days.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: She had just started on social media, on Instagrams, again,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: early 2000. She had kind of started like 11, 12, 13-ish,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and started taking off. And so we talked about working together. And, uh,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: you know, I had brought a level of expertise in
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the entrepreneurial realm and running a business. And she was
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: phenomenal at doing what she was doing online and connecting
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: with the audience, creating content. And so we ended up
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: spending five years together, building the page company. And, uh, uh,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and so there was courses and products and events and, uh,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you know, we were shipping, uh, you know, planners and
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: books and cook. It was all related around the social audience,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: a couple million followers across platforms. mostly helping moms and
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: with the different budgeting, productivity, and cooking products. And, you know,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: it was a wild ride, to say the least. And
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I think working together, there were some amazing experiences together.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: It was also really hard. And so I think a
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: lot of people can figure out how to do it.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: We ended up, you know, five years in saying, look,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: let's probably not work together. Let's focus on other things.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that relationship was one of those. And, uh, maybe it
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: was too little too late. I don't, I don't know
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: if that's the case, but we ended up getting divorced.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Then I finalized just last year. So it's been a
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: couple of years through the whole process, but, um, and
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: in that couple of year processes, when I started influence VC,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: just to, to, so that's like career in a nutshell.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: That was beautiful. That was perfect. You absolutely nailed that.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: And I, I do want to touch back on a
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: couple things in that spiel. The first being that first
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: big dip in the roller coaster as an entrepreneur, we
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: all have, um, I've had lots of them too. And
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: I try to look at it from the same lens
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: that you do is the amount that I learned from
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: those has helped me to be where I am today. Um,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I try and see it from that lens, but sometimes
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: it's harder, especially When you're in the midst of that,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: you don't know how much lower it's going to go.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: You're just trying to survive.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: My question for you there, Baba, what's your advice on
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: showing up for your family, your kids, spouse, whatever it
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: was at the time, when you're going through that hell
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: of business entrepreneurship?
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Okay. So this answer would be different if you're asking
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: me five years ago, right? And now, especially having gone
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: through a divorce and looking in definite introspection, right? When
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: you deal with failures, hopefully you look inward to say, okay,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: what kinds of things can I do to be better
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: next time? So what can I do to heal? What
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: can I do to improve? And I hope that we're
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: asking the questions like, what does God want me to
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: learn from this? Because if I'm going through some kind
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: of a trial, whatever that is, I believe there's a
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: purpose behind it. And if there's a purpose, then we
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: got to find it. We got to find what is
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: that purpose. And sometimes you're in the depths of hell
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and that's when you're calling out the deepest with the
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: deepest set of emotion and the deepest desire for God's guidance.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Sometimes when life is just, going great. You forget who
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: gave you that amazing, those amazing blessings. And so, you know,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: in that time of need, we call out more often.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: We need to remember that the gratitude is one of
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: the sharing that gratitude and prayer is one of the
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: greatest things we can do. And there's all kinds of
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: scientific studies above and beyond just spiritual reasons to do it.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: But gratitude is huge. So let's talk about that first.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: So if you can look at the depths of hell,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: when you're going through these trials and challenges, find what
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: you can be grateful for. And that's really hard sometimes.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: But if you can look for and write down in
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: a journal or on a daily basis, what are you
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: grateful for? It can help you to find light amongst
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: the darkness. Because for me, I believe in an adversary.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: You know, you've got God and Satan and there's opposition
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: in all things. That's my belief system. And the adversary
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: is going to try and pull you down and make
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: you as miserable as he is. And if that's true,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: and you're swirling in darkness... and despair, guess who's wanting
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: you to go down that path? Well, it sure isn't God.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I believe that there's a difference between guilt and shame.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I look at guilt starting with a G, comes from God.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I think guilt starting with a G, coming from God,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: allows you to have that prick of the heart to
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: notice when you've done something wrong, to say, you know what?
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I can be better. I did that thing. It was wrong.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Let me repent of that thing. And I'm going to
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: go make amends or whatever it is. And I'm, I
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: can do better than that. Shame starts with S for Satan.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: So shame starts with S from Satan comes from the adversary.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Shame is it. He doesn't say, you know, I think
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: guilt from God says you did a thing and that
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: was wrong. You can do better. Shame says you are wrong.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: the problem. You are the sin. You are not worthy.
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  Speaker 1: You are not enough. That treating you as the person
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: versus guilt, treating the thing, the sin, the mistake, the
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: whatever it was, that is a very differentiated response. And
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I believe wholeheartedly that God, and Satan does this all
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: the time. He takes truth, real truth, and then twists it.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: So he took the base level of guilt and and
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: then twisted it to make it internalize to where we
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: go in the depths of depression, right? Where, where we
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: then feel like we are the problem as a son
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: or daughter of God, we have a living God who
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: loves us no matter what. Now, of course he wants
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: us to be obedient and choose the right, but, but
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: when we do make a mistake, we'll feel the prick
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: in our heart and that guilt allows us to feel it. And, and,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: that's when we can make change because we are not
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: that thing that we did. And I hope people who have,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: we've all made mistakes, but if you've been living as
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: if you are the mistake, that's the difference. You made
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: a mistake. Go fix it. Don't do it again. Right?
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Like Jesus is the perfect example. He finds a woman
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: caught in adultery. He draws in the dirt or the sand.
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  Speaker 1: And he basically says, look, go and sin no more.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: He didn't condemn her. It was the sin that he condemned.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Of course, he didn't agree with it. So obviously, I'm
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: on a tangent, but I just feel like there's a
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: principle behind guilt and shame that I think a lot
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: of us misconstrue. And I'm trying to help my children
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: also know. Because look, they're going to make mistakes just
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: as much as I'm going to make mistakes. And when
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: we can realize that God is there and his arm
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: is outstretched for us at all times, guaranteed, no matter
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: what you've ever done, He will have his arm outstretched,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: but we have to reach out to him. And there's
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: this beautiful painting. Young Chung Kim, I think is what
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I have it in my house. And he's reaching through
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the water to get Peter who's walking on the water,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: but who had sunk. And the idea is that Peter's
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: now fully drowning in the water. And the Savior's hand
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: is right through piercing the water. And you see Peter's
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: hand reaching out for him. And he's in the depths
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: of hell. He's drowning. He's going to die in this horrible,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: you know, tempest that was raging. And Jesus' hand was
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: right there, just waiting for him to grab it. I
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: just look at that as a core principle in our
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: lives that we can all look to follow. Guilt is
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: from God. Shame is from Satan. Hopefully that helps to clarify.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Total tangent. So now let's get back to it. What
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: can we do? We share gratitude for what we can find.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: We look inward to what we can learn and what
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: we might need to heal. And I talk about healing
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: in a different way than I maybe have in the past.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Healing to me comes from a multitude of things, but
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: usually starts from our childhood. So this may or may
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: not have been what you wanted to talk about, but...
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: There is something that are called childhood wounds. And they
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: usually come because of our parents. And it's not to
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: blame our parents because they did the best they could
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: with what they had. And I know my parents, they
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: were incredible. I was raised in a phenomenal home with
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: joy and happiness and a great upbringing. But just being
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: a child, period, you will have wounds. And for example,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: here's a simple one. I have eight children. There are
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: many times when all eight are trying to vie for
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: my attention, and that's impossible. It is absolutely fundamentally impossible
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: for me as one person to give attention to all
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: eight at the same level at the same time. So
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: inevitably one or two may not feel heard or seen
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: in that moment when I have to focus on one
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: or two or three, you know, that may internalize in
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: a child's, you know, inside or bodies, souls, as a wound,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: a hurt, because they didn't feel seen or heard at
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: that moment. This is a very simplistic version. We're not
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: talking about big T trauma of abuse or anything like that.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: We're talking a little T trauma, but it still affects us.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: And then that comes into our adult relationships. And so
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: let's say there was a wound of not being heard
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: or seen. As an adult, you might find that person
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: who became a valedictorian, the captain of the cheer team,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: or was the, you know, vying for attention from other
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: people because they didn't get it, or they felt a
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: wound of not receiving it when they were a child
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: from one or two of the parents. And at no
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: fault of the parent, right? I mean, the parents were trying.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: We're all trying as parents and we're gonna make mistakes
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: as parents. But we're doing the best we can. So
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I never look at a parent and, you know, put
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: blame on them. Of course, there's the big T traumas
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: that come from abuse, and that's obviously not okay. But
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I think for the majority of children, we are raised
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: and have these wounds from little T traumas. What happens
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: then as adults is we started building up things through
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: our adolescence and adulthood that we created, whether we're people pleasers,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: because we knew that we could feel loved when we
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: pleased our parents. We were overachievers because we got that
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: acceptance and validation from other people. And there's a multitude
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: of pieces behind it. Maybe you become reclusive because you
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: felt safer when you didn't have the attention on you.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: So there's so many ways that childhood wounding, and I
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: would highly recommend a book called Attached for people if
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: you were to read about some of this attachment theory
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: that comes from our childhoods. So I'm going in this tangent,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I know, but hopefully it can help some people. When
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: you realize that you have wounds, you and I both,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: all humans have certain wounds inside. If we can be
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: awakened to that realization and we can start the healing process,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: then then we can find a new level of joy
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: and peace because number one, the master healer is our
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Lord and savior Jesus. He's the one who can truly
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: heal every part of us. But if we don't know
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: that we're wounded, how do we know to ask for
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: his healing? And so recognizing when you get triggered by something,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: A trigger to me is your body's response to something
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: you need to work on. So let's say you're at
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: a family event and a sibling calls you out and
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: makes fun of your profession and says like, ah, come on,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: you're doing this real estate stuff. Like whatever little bro,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: like you don't know what you're doing. you might puff
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: up and like, no, I am, I'm doing this. I'm
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. I'm a real estate investor. Like I, and
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: you feel triggered to like prove yourself. Well, that reaction
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: instead of maybe a calm response could be a trigger.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Just it's your body's warning. It's yourself of maybe I
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: have something to work on. And so if you can
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: take note of that and say, why was I triggered
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: by that comment? And look inward and say, oh, interesting.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Because maybe as a child, I was the one that
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: they never thought would mount up to anything. So I've
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: got a little chip on my shoulder. Now, by all means,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: most entrepreneurs have a little bit of a chip on
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: their shoulder, right? The level of success that they drive
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: for usually comes back to something when they were a
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: child of saying, I'm going to prove you wrong. Not always, right?
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: But a lot of times, because what else is going
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: to drive somebody crazy enough to start a business and
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: go through the risk of starting a business and the
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: stress and the anxiety to prove to other people that
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: they can do it. And you've probably seen this. There
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: are entrepreneurs who have massive success and yet it still
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: isn't enough because if they don't love themselves and they
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: have to get outside validation, they're just going to keep
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: doing it. So it's this inner healing, this inner peace
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: that we can find, I believe through God, that allows
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: us to be this calm, collected, peaceful person that for me,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: all comes back around to fatherhood. All of this peace,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: when you're going through the levels of hell and trials
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: and challenges, you're getting triggered by what people say or
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: by what happened. These are all signs and lessons for
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: us to learn. It's God's path. for us to be
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: able to become like him. And if we don't see
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: these as opportunities to learn and to heal, we're missing
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: the chance. And guess what? We're going to repeat it.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: We're going to repeat the same mistake if we don't
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: learn from it. So I've been through a divorce. That's
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: not something that someone plans on doing. You never get
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: married to get divorced. That just doesn't ever happen. And
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: I don't want that to happen again. And so I'm
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: looking at myself and saying, okay, I can't change anyone
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: else but myself. If I can find a level of
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: healing that brings me peace and joy, especially when it's
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: around my Savior, knowing that He can heal me through
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: His power, then I should be able to be a
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: much better person. And if I can learn from all
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: of these experiences and trials that we go through, and
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: everyone is going through trials. That's one thing I've learned
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: is that when I see and have more compassion on
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: myself and I start to forgive myself, I start to
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: forgive others. I think we can start to see people
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: with a different set of eyes, hopefully a little bit
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: more like Jesus would see us. And that compassion and
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: that empathy, when somebody cuts you off and instead of
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: throwing the finger at them, You might think, oh, you
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: know what? I bet that person is late for a
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: job interview.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: And they need to get in front and that's okay.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: That type of thing doesn't rile me up. Do I
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: still get triggered? By all means, of course, I'm human.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: But when I get that trigger, at least now, I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: hope we'll pause and Breathe, recognize that I have some
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: work that I could do. And then I go to work.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: They call it do the work because it is actual
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: work to heal. And sometimes when you dig deep inside,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: it's scary. And when you dig deep enough, it may
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: scare you enough that you run away. But the deeper
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: you can go into that healing process, I can promise
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: you this. When Jesus meets you there, that's when true
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: miracles can happen. That's when your true self can come
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: to be. And when the powers of Satan start to subside,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: because when you are your true self, a true son
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: or daughter of God, and you're acting as an instrument
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: in his hands, it's very hard to stop. But like
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: we said in the is in all things. So the
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: greater light and knowledge that you gain, you better expect
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: that you have greater of opposition coming for you. And
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: so as you experience these miracles in your life, which
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: you will, I promise these miracles come and we can
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: pray for them and we can expect them to come
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: in God's timing. Know that that greater level of opposition
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: is just around the corner. And so we have to
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: fortify ourselves with the simple and small things of strengthening
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: our faith in God. To me, that means studying scripture.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: That means worshiping maybe more than just in church, but
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: maybe in a temple or a synagogue. It's asking the question,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: even if you don't know what to repent of, you ask,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Hey God, Heavenly Father, what do I need to repent of?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: And what's amazing is if you ask with a sincere heart,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: you will immediately be gifted a thought. And even though
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: you may not want to hear that thought, because it's
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: going to be difficult for you to respond to it,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: that thought will come and it's coming from God. And
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: he's calling you to a higher calling. And he's saying,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I want you to take this next step. And this
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: next step may be embarrassing. You may have to call
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: somebody after 10 years and apologize for something that you
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: did or said or, or didn't mean to do or whatever.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: And you heard someone, um, But this is a part
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: of my story that I care about passionately. Hence, a
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: fatherhood movement, right? Look, the business stuff I can talk
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: about all day too. And I love it. Growing businesses,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: investing in businesses. I'm an entrepreneur through and through. But
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: fatherhood movement is this compassion that I have I feel
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: compelled to share this part of the story to bring
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: people to Jesus so they can know that healing is real,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: that they can overcome challenges, they can overcome addictions, they
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: can overcome trials and have a level of peace that
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: they've never found before. And that peace will allow them
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: to respond whether it's in their marriage or other relationships
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: in a way that they literally didn't know was possible.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: And that peace comes fully because of our savior. And
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: but it is helpful to kind of put some names
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: with things and Learning about attachment theory, learning about wounding,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: learning about even if you're looking for a therapist, I
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: would highly suggest someone with internal family systems expertise so
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: they can talk to this inner child that's within us
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: that's maybe been wounded and we don't know how to
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: heal that inner wound. But there's my tangent, man.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: I love it. Well, there's something that you said.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: That I feel like you were talking directly to my
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: soul and it was talking about kind of how you're
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: raised and yeah, definitely the attachments where I feel like
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: I am a people pleaser. I, I do seek validation,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: which it's funny because a part of me doesn't care
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: what anyone thinks is what my, how my wife would
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: coin it. But then in like the business venture, there's
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of my motivation that is seeking validation from
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: people that are further along than me. And I've, I've
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: noticed that in my life, but how you talked about
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: it and like the healing behind that, I wanted to
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: ask you that because I feel like that's something that
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: drives me and, and pushes me probably from that unhealthy perspective.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: But when you talk about this healing aspect, and that's
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: another part I want to talk about is like your mindset.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: And so remind me to.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Talk about that part, but.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: My, my excuse is always that I want to build.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: I want to build, like I have this itch in
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: my brain that I have to reach my potential and
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: it drives me crazy.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: I'm never satisfied. It's go, go, go.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Um, if I was, if I told my, my five
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: year previously self what I was doing today, he'd say
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: you made it, but now here I am and thinking
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: I'm at the bottom again. And so I, If you've
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: been going through this healing process for a long time
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: and now here you are, Bubba, but you still have
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: this drive because you have these businesses, multiple that you're
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: growing and have success in, like what drives Bubba and
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: what could drive Tanner if it's not this itch to
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: build and this never satisfied type?
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah, I think so. So I'll
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: talk about this. I think... Again, sorry if it's so
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: faith-based here, but we are creators. We were made from
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: a creator, and we are inherently creators. That's how God
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: built us. So, when you have this drive to build,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: that's absolutely natural and God-given. But then we have to
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: look back at the motivation of why. And if the
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: why is because of ego, then that might cause problem.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Because if we build, and I know I had this
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: a hundred percent still there, we all do. We all
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: have egos period, right? We're all trying to fight against
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: this natural man that's within us that has that ego. And,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: and that's a constant battle. That's a daily battle, right?
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: But as a creator, if we're motivated purely because of
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: the applause of the world, then it's very easy for
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: that to be shattered when things don't go your way.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: If we can look more inward to you know, an
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: inward joy and happiness, it may change our outlook. There's also,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in self-reliance. I believe it's part
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: of my mission on this earth is to help bring
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: more people to a self-reliant state. And to me, self-reliance
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: means they can take care of their needs from a
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: financial standpoint, from a physical standpoint. But then that usually
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: creates an abundant mindset. Once people have their base level
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: needs met, then they can start to think a little
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: bit more of others. and a little bit more of
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: of god and you know we're taught this on our
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: missions that if people don't have their base level met
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: it's going to be really hard for them to think
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: about god um and and this abundant mindset so my
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: hope in building the business bootcamp.com and fatherhood movement is
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: one bring people to jesus but build this uh this
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: community of entrepreneurs that can reach self-reliance hopefully exceed that
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: into an abundance mindset so that then they go and
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: return to other people and they can share that whether
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: it's wealth of knowledge time it can be funds and
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: money but but there's so many ways that we can
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: help each other and uh The mindset around this is
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: seeking the truth and light in the world that is
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: not of the world. So what is the quote? I'm
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: gonna butcher it probably, but we can live in the world,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: but not be of the world from the scriptures. I
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: think that's a core competency. Look, I believe wholeheartedly that
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: God wants us to have success. I choose that word
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: success maybe outside of the worldly version of what success
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: looks like. Is it okay to have a nice home?
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Is it okay to have a nice car? Is it
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: okay to go on vacation? I believe absolutely it's okay.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: And God wants us to have that level of success.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: So long as our heart is where it matters most.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Seek ye first to build the kingdom of God, and
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: then you can have those riches. Now, when we switch
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: that and we put the riches first, and then the
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: kingdom of God is later, I think that's where we're
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: going to struggle. And it talks about, you know, it's
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: harder for a rich man to get through the eye
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: of a needle. It's like, All of these scriptures are
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: pointing to us that if we put God first as
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: our core focus, and look, I haven't done this my
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: whole life. I'm trying to always get better at this.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: And it's my hope and prayer that I can be
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: an instrument in God's hand to help myself and others
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: to reach this type of connection and communion with God.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Because if we can, Think about what's possible. Now, that
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: might not mean that I own 20 properties and a
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: super yacht and my own jet or two. But if
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: somebody has that, does it make them evil? No, it
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: doesn't at all. At all. You have very good people
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: who have phenomenal wealth and success. I don't see that
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: as being a problem when their heart is in the
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: right place. There's very generous people who are doing things
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: that are, uh, for the grace of God. And because
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: of what has inspired them by God, um, And some
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: people may have financial success and some people might not,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: but they may have familial success. They may have physical success.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of ways that you can look at
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: success in this role. If we're talking specifically about entrepreneurs
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: and this mindset, the focus on the mindset would be
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: focus on gratitude, focus on building the kingdom of God,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: and how can you be an instrument in His hands?
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I believe in businesses can be inspired. I take my
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: businesses to prayer, just like I pray for my children.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: And maybe some people would be like, oh, that's crazy.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Why would you pray for your business? Well, I believe
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: God has gifted me some of the, not some, all
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: of these things that I have. So as I pray
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: for each individual child, why wouldn't I also pray for
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: the success of my business? And can I help that customer?
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Can I help the employees? How can we provide a
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: great service and take care of our customers? I look
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: at that as, as part of our creative process and
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: God wants us to go through those things. How do
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: we not get caught up in the world? To me,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: it all comes down to the fundamental principles of daily practice.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say it again. Scripture study, sincere prayer,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: worship in the church as well as outside of the
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: church and maybe something like a temple, repentance, true, deep,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: deep repentance. And I'm sure there's a lot more we
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: can list, but those core pieces can help you to
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: stay grounded, can help you to stay more on a
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: humble basis instead of your ego taking over. And if
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: you're seeking to do God's will every day, it's harder,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: it's not impossible, but it's harder for the world to
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: take over. When you've grounded yourself in the gospel of
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, to me, that is a true foundation for
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: the real success, which doesn't mean how many zeros are
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: in your bank account, but the real success in your life,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: which is when I go to the other side and
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I'll die, you know, it's just like everybody else will die.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: I want to hear well done, good and faithful servant.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: I want to know that I lived a life that
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: was full of faith, that even though I had to
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: go through hell, that I made it through because of
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: that faith, that I helped as many people as I
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: was meant to help. And those that I missed because
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I wasn't listening carefully enough, that somehow I get forgiven
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: for that. And because I know I have, I already have,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure I will in the future. But I
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: want to be guided by his voice. I believe he's
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: speaking to us 24 seven and the windows of heaven
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: can be open to us. We just have to be
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: willing to hear it. And it's not always easy. And
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: I make, I literally miss stuff every day. I miss
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: stuff every day. And which is why we can repent
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: every day. And even a simple thing is stepping over
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: a sock and feeling the prompting to pick it up.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Pick up the dang sock. I think one quick thing
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: and then we'll move on. I look at an upward
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: spiral when we obey God's word. And we actually do
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: what he says to us. He's speaking to our minds
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: and our hearts. Some people are confused as to, is
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: that my thought or is that coming from God? To me,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: I simplify it as if it's something of good report,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: if it's something that's good, I'm going to call it
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: from God. And I'm going to go try my best
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: to go do that thing. And if it wasn't from God, well,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: I just did a good thing. I can't go wrong
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: with that thing. If it was good, So I'm just
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: going to take whatever thought that comes, if it's good,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to do it. And then I'll find
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: out through a confirmation, whether or not that was from God.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: If it's obviously negative, I'm going to try and avoid
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: that thing. I'm not going to do that thing to
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: the best of my abilities. And when I do it
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: and make a mistake, I'm going to try not to
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: do that thing again. But if it's good, act on it.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: If the thought that comes, Hey, text that person, call
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: that person, forgive that person, turn around and go see
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: if that person needs help. Even if it's a little
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: bit awkward and you're kind of like, Oh, I don't
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: know if I do it. See what happens. There was
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: a guy that pulled over on the side of the street. Just,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: just this last week I drove by, he was an
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: older guy. I drove by as he pulled over and I,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: you know, a few hundred yards away. And I was like, ah,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: I think I need to go see if he's okay.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: So I turn around, I go roll down my window.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: You okay? He's like, I just pulled over to take
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: a call. I was like, It was nothing. I'm still
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: glad I stopped.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Because I don't know, maybe another time I would stop
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: and they really did need something.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: But it was good to check on somebody. So I
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: tried and, um, and I think God rewards us and we,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: we can go in an upward spiral. The more we listen,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: the more we obey. the closer we can get to him.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: When we don't heed those promptings and inspired thoughts, I
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: believe it's a downward spiral and there is no standing still.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: You're either moving forward towards God or you're moving backwards
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: away based on our actions and our thoughts. I love.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: It. That was beautifully said, Bubba.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: My next question, your attitude, like, I've grown to love
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: it just in our conversation today and how you show
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: yourself as a person.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: Like I look up to that part a lot. Thanks.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: You talked about your divorce.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: You talked about a business failure where a sense of
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: depression flooded you. And I think depression is a huge
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: issue in today's day.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: And age, right? Whatever it might be.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: And divorce is prevalent everywhere, right? And a lot of those,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: go hand in hand, like divorce can lead to depression
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: and looking at you from the outside in, it seems
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: like you are absolutely thriving. And I think it's a lot,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: I think it's really hard for people in the midst
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: of divorce, post-divorce to see light at the end of
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: the tunnel, to feel this gratitude towards life that I
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: feel like you have grasped.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: What advice do you have for.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: People that are depressed, whether it's a business failure, whether
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: it's a failed marriage and their attitude and maybe more
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: actionable steps when they are deep in that and cannot
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: see light at the end.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Of the tunnel. So the grief cycle is real. And
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: within that grief cycle, study it, understand it, and know
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: that it's okay to go through this grief cycle. Obviously,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, if you can get through the grief
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: cycle as quickly as possible by healing, then that's great.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: But sometimes it just takes time as well. So the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: grief cycle, having an awareness of what's going on, Obviously
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: you're gonna feel the sorrow of what's happening. Sometimes you
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: feel anger, you're bitter. And then there's an acceptance, right?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Of like, this is happening. But when you're going through
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: this level of grief, and this is for any trial,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: but knowing that there is a true cycle and it
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: may come in, it may not be a perfect order,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: You may get hit with something that throws you into,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: you know, bitterness for a moment. And then you're in despair.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: And then you can see the light at the end
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: of the tunnel. And so it's not always a perfect,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: you know, circle. And knowing that that's real. And for me,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: I had to rely on God through the process. So
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: I leaned in where I think a lot of people
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: lean out. And for me, I don't know how you
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: can go through that. the levels of grief or the
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: challenges that people face in their life without leaning in
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: on God. And I know a lot of people question
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: and they shake their fist at God, like, how could
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: this happen to me? Whatever it was, abuse or cheated
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: by a business partner or whatever it is, like they
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: get mad at God for that. And to me, that's just, look,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: emotions are valid. But to me, that's a little bit
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: naive to think that, you know, getting angry at God
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: is okay. I get it, though, that those emotions are
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: going to come. But hopefully what they can see is
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: that there is something you can learn from this experience.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: And we've talked about that. There's something you can learn
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: from that experience. And what is that thing you can learn?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: And then can you practice it immediately? As soon as
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: you know, and if you're asking and you're truly sincerely
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: trying to get better or heal or come through this
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: on the other side, you'll receive the answer to your
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: prayer of what is it that you need to learn?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: For me, leaning in meant that I had to dedicate
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: more time and energy to my relationship with God that
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: I had to spend more time and energy and sacrifice
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: other things to fill my life with his light rather
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: than the world. So that means less scrolling. It probably
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: means less television. It probably means less internet time. It
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: probably means less, uh, of maybe even a hobby. Um,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: and during that time spending the necessary focused energy, to
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: heal that's a necessary task. Most humans, most of us
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: choose not to heal. And we live our entire lives
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: with these wounds that are wide open and they're gaping.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: And we just shove them down far enough that we
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: hope nobody brushes up against them. Because if you have
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: a cut and somebody, you know, punches it, you obviously
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: feel it. But even if it's just somebody brushes by
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: that cut, you're feeling that thing, right? You've got an
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: open wound, which is where a lot of people freak
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: out when they get triggered because something deep inside of
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: them hasn't been healed yet. And so if someone is
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: going through these challenges right now, I say, lean in.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Lean in on God. Get to know Him and His
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: true character. And ask, what is it that you need
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: to learn from this experience? And then even ask the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: question that's so hard, but what is it that I
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: need to repent of? And as you ask that question,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: you will get an answer or many answers. It's your
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: job to act on that answer, no matter how hard
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: that may be. And when I say hard, I mean
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: like gut-wrenching hard. Because God is going to test you
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: to see what you're willing to do. And if he
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: tests you and you don't do it, that is the
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: downward spiral we're talking about. Because the level of his
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: spirit that we can withhold in us only comes... to
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: me is based on that obedience to those promptings, obedience
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: to the law. You know, there's a quote, every blessing
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: is predicated upon obedience to Allah. I look at that
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: and some people say, you know, Hey, we're saved by
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: grace and grace alone. Look, I believe in grace. I
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: believe God, we cannot make it to heaven without our
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: savior's atonement. And that is this grace that makes up
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: our mistakes. But I do truly believe in our effort
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: is necessary. We can't be couch potatoes and not do
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: anything and, and just live a miserable life and, and
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: expect that God's just gonna make it up for us.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: We have to put forth effort, in my opinion, and
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: in my belief system, we have to put forth effort
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: to try our hardest. It doesn't mean we're going to
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: be perfect ever, but we have to try. And as
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: we try, he'll make up the difference. That's where grace
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: comes in. But there is a level of trying that
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: must come, even though we're stumbling and falling on our
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: faces all along the way. So, hopefully if someone's listening
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: and you're going through a rough patch, which is inevitable
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: in God's plan, try to lean in on him. Try
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: to kneel down. If you pause this podcast right now,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: kneel down in prayer and offer up gratitude for things
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: that you may not feel like you have because you're
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: going through that depths of hell. And as you offer
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: up that prayer, I started by calling in his name,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: you know, God or heavenly father or, And then I,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: I state what I'm grateful for. I try to think
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: of as many things that I'm grateful for, but then
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: I'll ask after that gratitude, I'll ask for his help.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: I'll plead for his help. And, uh, I'll, I'll talk
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: about who I want to bless, um, myself, my children,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: the people around me, who, who can I serve? Who
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: can I help? And then I ended in the name
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: of Jesus. And, uh, And so when I, when I go,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: that's my prayer in the name of Jesus Christ. I
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: end it with an amen. If you've thought about praying
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: and you haven't done it for a while, now's your chance.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: This is your sign and you can reconnect. Even if
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: the first few prayers are pretty awkward and you haven't
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: done it in a while, this is the chance to
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: renew that commitment. And on a daily basis to be
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: able to multiple times a day to reconnect with that
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: higher power, reconnect with your God and know that he
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: can help you get through any trial. I believe he's
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: gone below and beneath every challenge and trial that any
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: human has ever faced on this planet. So that means
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: he understands me and knowing that gives me hope and faith.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: And it gives me, the ability to see the light
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel. And so I do
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: feel happy. I do feel joy and peace. I've had
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: to go through the depths of hell, but I believe
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: he sent me through that path so that I could
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: have a greater level of understanding and compassion for other
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: people that I wouldn't have had otherwise. And I couldn't
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: have this conversation at this level if I didn't go
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: through some of the dark days And so know that
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: there is a purpose behind everything. We just don't know
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: what that means yet. Someday we might, but live with
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: that faith. And I believe there's a lot of good
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: things to come.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you going through that healing so that
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: you are able to spread this to the world. Like seriously,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: I think it goes beyond you and your own life
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: and that influence carries further. So I appreciate that. Our time, obviously, like,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: You've been throwing out gems left and right, and it's
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: gone way faster than I thought it would. Bubba, a
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: question that I like to ask just to end this.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: And if we could like one sentence, I want you
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: to think about the answer to one sentence answer. In Utah,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: we have a unique culture where I feel like a
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: lot of people are.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: Motivated to build a business, build.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Successful in the career world, in the entrepreneur world, but
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: then they also really desire this strong family life, which
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: I feel like is unique to the world where this community.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: Desires both so much.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: What advice would you give to those people that are
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: craving both to have them at the same time, right?
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: In one sentence. Hmm.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe I can ask you a question. On your deathbed,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: what will matter more to you? What matters most? Prioritize.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Hopefully that gives you some interest. No, that's powerful.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: That's why I like narrowing it down to one sentence
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: because that just hits. But I appreciate you for coming on.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: I've learned a ton. I know the audience is going
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: to learn a ton as well. Where can we help
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: Bubba at this phase of your life? Where can, where
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: can we give back to you?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: You know what? Connect with me on LinkedIn, Bubba page, Instagram,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: Bubba page, any of the platforms connect. I love to
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: share this kind of content. Obviously I've got business content
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: and faith-based content, fatherhood content. I am writing a book.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: with this fatherhood movement that's launching, you know, in the
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: near future. Good for you. It'll be based around a
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: father operating system.
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  Speaker 3: That's beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: There's something called an entrepreneur operating system. And I hope
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  Speaker 1: to create something for fathers that they have a structure
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  Speaker 1: or have a plan. So these questions you've been asking me,
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  Speaker 1: hopefully I can lay out a daily, weekly, monthly, annual
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  Speaker 1: plan to follow and, so that we, especially as fathers,
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  Speaker 1: can lead in our home better. And we can take
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  Speaker 1: these entrepreneurial skills of planning and one-on-ones and KPIs and mission, vision, values,
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  Speaker 1: and incorporate into our family. And the amount of energy
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  Speaker 1: and focus that we give to our business, can we
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  Speaker 1: do that for our family? And if we have a
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  Speaker 1: clear plan, maybe it will help us to do that.
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  Speaker 1: So soon to be a father operating system.
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  Speaker 3: Amazing. And if we follow you, I'm sure we'll see
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  Speaker 3: all about that.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: Beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: So everyone follow Bubba. It's a great follow and we'll
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  Speaker 2: go from there.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for jumping on.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Glad to be here.