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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, April 21 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Jack Bars, Did you go Jack Jack Wars, Jackuars Ran
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Speaker 1: Sex Steps, John Oh shows it. Actually I'm Jaguars draw
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Speaker 1: a time starts right now. Good morning, and welcome in
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Speaker 1: Jaguars dry time and Draft weeks. Two days away from
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Speaker 1: the start of the NFL Draft. Joined like Brian Sexton
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Speaker 1: and John Osier are normal crew two days away. And yes,
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Speaker 1: it's a little different this draft week and started this
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Speaker 1: early this week. But I also think there's a little
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Speaker 1: bit of juice guys. Maybe it's, you know, just being
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Speaker 1: the draft, or maybe it's the unique and dog way
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Speaker 1: to scrolling through Twitter the colbrew I just drink. But
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Speaker 1: there's still a little juice this week, and that feels
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Speaker 1: good well to me. The juice, Brian, is the fact
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Speaker 1: that we're gonna have a draft. We're gonna have real news.
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Speaker 1: It's been so long since anything has really happened in
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Speaker 1: the sports world, and think everybody is kind of hungry
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Speaker 1: for it. I guess people are all right about the
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Speaker 1: unique things. Still, I gotta be honest, I'm past it.
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Speaker 1: I'm board with it. I mean, I followed on Twitter.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting, but you know, at this point, I don't
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Speaker 1: really care about it that much. I understand that fans
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Speaker 1: do um. I think again, the core of this team
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Speaker 1: is what they drafted last year DJ chart Gardner Minshew,
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Speaker 1: and I think they have a chance to add what three,
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Speaker 1: four or five core players this week and do it
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Speaker 1: again next year in the same capacity. To me, that's
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Speaker 1: what the team has focused on. And it's almost like
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Speaker 1: the Unique and Gockway thing is, how do we figure
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Speaker 1: this out? We love him to be here, but how
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Speaker 1: do we figure this out? And how do we just
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Speaker 1: start moving forward as a franchise. I wish I could
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Speaker 1: fast forward to the end and be able to look
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Speaker 1: back at social media and it's impact on people and lives,
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Speaker 1: because you see what in Goockway has done. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he's he's made a mockery of his of his high road,
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Speaker 1: you know, the the top of the mountain that he
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Speaker 1: took where he talked about, you know, let a man
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Speaker 1: go on and make my way and take care of
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Speaker 1: my family. I mean now he looks petty, which I
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Speaker 1: guess he likes to embrace. I wonder if someone's telling you, hey,
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Speaker 1: whoa unique? No one's gonna want to trade a high
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Speaker 1: pick and pay you if they think that they're going
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Speaker 1: to be torched by you on social media. Unique whoa.
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Speaker 1: If you want everybody to win on this thing, shut up,
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Speaker 1: go away for a little while and wait and see
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Speaker 1: how things happen. I don't live for the drama on Twitter.
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Speaker 1: My juice comes from the fact that there is the
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Speaker 1: draft this week. I was having a conversation with one
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Speaker 1: of my sons. He said, what if there wasn't a
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Speaker 1: draft this week? And I just, WHOA, what would that be? Like?
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Speaker 1: I mean, will we talk about for a couple of
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Speaker 1: weeks now it's exactly it's yesterday. I wanted to turn
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Speaker 1: on golf, and I never want to turn on golf.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I just need something to watch other than
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Speaker 1: the news. I think the ratings for this are going
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Speaker 1: to be astronomical um and I think casual people who
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Speaker 1: don't normally pay any attention into it at all will
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Speaker 1: be drawn into it because it will be something live
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Speaker 1: that isn't news, that isn't an updated death tool or
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Speaker 1: a number of people testing positive. People will be enthralled
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Speaker 1: by the hope that the draft brings, the hope of
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Speaker 1: of teams and players. H I think it's almost similar
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Speaker 1: The Michael Jordan's documentary came out Sunday night, and I
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Speaker 1: was talking to my mom about it. And my mom
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Speaker 1: she's not a big sports follower. She really doesn't watch
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Speaker 1: much at all. She'll watch the Jags game just to
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Speaker 1: keep up, but she said she watched both episodes just
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Speaker 1: because there was nothing else on. The ratings for that
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Speaker 1: documentary are through the roof, so you have to expect
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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft people that don't normally watch are going
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Speaker 1: to watch this year. Yeah, it's real. You're talking about
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Speaker 1: a documentary. I mean it's uh. I think it's going
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Speaker 1: to be fascinating and I'm really fascinated. We won't know
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Speaker 1: tctor it happens, but how they play it at You
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Speaker 1: know that very talented television digital people are working on
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Speaker 1: how to make this entertaining as possible. There's really it's
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Speaker 1: a weird thing because usually draft coverage over the years
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Speaker 1: has evolved. You see one network do one thing, and
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Speaker 1: then somebody will sort of piggyback off that the next
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Speaker 1: year and developed. This is a completely new Toronto. I
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Speaker 1: know they've been doing skype things like this, but they've
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Speaker 1: never tried to do the entire draft based on this.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure there will be technical glitches but I think
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be fascinating to see how they do it
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Speaker 1: and how they use the technology. I think it's gonna
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Speaker 1: be fun to watch. I wish I could watch it.
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Speaker 1: I'll be working, yes, see what will be very busy.
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Speaker 1: So let's get into big things. Bucky Brooks, NFL Draft
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Speaker 1: Network Analysts is going to join us later on the show.
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Speaker 1: But we still have big things to talk about. Big
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Speaker 1: thing of one now or later. Big thing going into
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Speaker 1: the draft is this thought, are the Jaguars and when
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Speaker 1: now mode or rebuild notes? With the recent trade talks
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Speaker 1: now including running back Leonard for NET, it seems even
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Speaker 1: more so we're shifting towards rebuild modes. So how does
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Speaker 1: that impact the draft that leads us in the big
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Speaker 1: thing to number nine. Stay you're in when now though
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Speaker 1: that means you're most likely taking in Derek Brown, someone
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Speaker 1: immediate impact on the roster on Sundays, stopping the run
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Speaker 1: on defense. But say you're in rebuild mode, which I
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Speaker 1: all think we're starting to believe they're trending more in
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Speaker 1: that direction. Maybe you're looking at taking a quarterback at
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Speaker 1: nine and getting that franchise guy taking a time to
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Speaker 1: developed him. So it's really interesting. I think we have
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Speaker 1: to decide which mode we're in, and that leads to
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Speaker 1: a better direction of who they're taking at number nine.
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Speaker 1: And finally big thing three, number twenty. With the draft
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Speaker 1: capital of the Jaguars have twelve picks, we can expect
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Speaker 1: probably some sort of trading to happen, possibly even in
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Speaker 1: the first round with that number twenty pick, trading up
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Speaker 1: to go get someone, trading back to get even more capital.
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Speaker 1: They have eight picks day three, guys, I think it's
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Speaker 1: safe to say by the day three they're not going
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Speaker 1: to have eight picks anymore. You and get back to
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Speaker 1: the umber one. I still think this is fascinating. The
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Speaker 1: whole thing was rebuild. Obviously they are going in a
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Speaker 1: new direction. But in talking to people who are running
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Speaker 1: this thing, I don't believe that they think that the
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Speaker 1: players that they've traded away. Maybe outside play is Campbell,
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Speaker 1: even even if it's Leonard for Nette on the block,
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Speaker 1: I don't know that the people who are involved with
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Speaker 1: putness together, meaning Dave called Well, Doug Moron and the
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Speaker 1: coaches really believe they are taking a huge step back.
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Speaker 1: A j boy wasn't the player last year the advent
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Speaker 1: of two thousand and seventeen, Marcel Darius wasn't on the field.
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Speaker 1: Nick Foles never played for him. I don't know that
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Speaker 1: they really look at it and think, oh, wow, we're
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Speaker 1: so much worse off than we were last year. But
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Speaker 1: I do believe that they think they need an infusion
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Speaker 1: of young talent to go forward. I really get the
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Speaker 1: idea that they're excited about what they can do with
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Speaker 1: the young team built around these core players who are
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Speaker 1: all pulling in the same direction. Speaking of which, Ashton,
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Speaker 1: when you said number twenty earlier, I was petrified that
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Jayalen Ramsey again. Thank goodness, not
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Speaker 1: that who should not be named were talking about. I. Um,
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Speaker 1: you know Dave Caldwill since the day he showed up
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Speaker 1: in January with what was clearly a takedown rebuild situation,
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Speaker 1: never wanted to use the word rebuild, John when I
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Speaker 1: look at this roster, though, to take the players away
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Speaker 1: that you mentioned that Darius is the Claius Campbell's the
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Speaker 1: A J Boys, And the question I don't think is
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Speaker 1: are they worse, it's are they better? Right? Is this
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Speaker 1: team better than a six and ten team? And at
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Speaker 1: this point I don't see how it can be. I
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Speaker 1: have been saying all along, this is a a two
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Speaker 1: thousand twenty one situation where you're gonna want to try
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Speaker 1: to win and make all the right moves in so
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Speaker 1: that you set yourself up. Um, I'll call it reconfiguring.
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Speaker 1: They're reconfiguring the roster. Coaches are never going to say,
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Speaker 1: or we're not gonna win this year, so let's try this.
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Speaker 1: Coaches are always going to try to win. Respect that,
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Speaker 1: and that's the way that Doug Morone is going to
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Speaker 1: approach it, and Dave Coldwell and general managers with a
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Speaker 1: nod to hey, look, we've got to be as competitive
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Speaker 1: as possible. Let's go win some games. I still think
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Speaker 1: this is a reconfiguration and this is a one and beyond,
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Speaker 1: which is why I have been advocating for take your
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Speaker 1: swing at quarterback, make sure that you do what it
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Speaker 1: takes to win. Then winning now is fine. However, they're
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Speaker 1: not the best team in the division, and I don't
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Speaker 1: know that this is a playoff team in one. Even
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Speaker 1: if you hit an A plus in the draft, I
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Speaker 1: would rather win then, as in I want to put
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Speaker 1: my position in place so that I can win long
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Speaker 1: term and that positions at quarterback. Here's the thing that
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Speaker 1: worries you a little bit, and not worried. I get.
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Speaker 1: I get questions all the time. You can imagine, guys,
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Speaker 1: are we tanking for Trevor, tanking for this, tanking for this?
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Speaker 1: And I honestly this doesn't feel like that. For this reason. Um,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if Gardner Minshew is elite, but I
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Speaker 1: do know one put whatever you're putting on the field
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Speaker 1: with him, He's gonna win four or five for you.
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Speaker 1: He's gonna win three or four because because he's gonna
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Speaker 1: get it. To me. He is not a one in
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Speaker 1: fifteen quarterback where things just go out the rails if
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Speaker 1: you play. So if he's the guy I don't see
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Speaker 1: any way in the world they're picking number one overall.
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Speaker 1: I don't care how he's good enough not to be
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Speaker 1: the number one overall picked team one. So that's why, Brian,
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Speaker 1: I think your point has a little merit, and I
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Speaker 1: can see you just it's and yeah, well you take
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Speaker 1: for two points. May maybe you take the quarterback now, Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 1: This is a moment where you have a rare combination
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Speaker 1: of both draft capital and quarterbacks who can help you Look,
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Speaker 1: if you don't have your quarterback and no one can say, well,
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Speaker 1: it's got or guy. No one says that about Gardner Minshew.
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Speaker 1: People say maybe he's their guy. But if that's your situation,
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Speaker 1: you got to go find the guy and keep swinging
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Speaker 1: and swinging. Forget the blame gathers and the blake portals.
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Speaker 1: Just keep swinging. You've got to have the man. Here
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Speaker 1: are my thoughts on next year. Who knows what next
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Speaker 1: year brings. Didn't the Tua injury teach us that if
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Speaker 1: the Dolphins were tanking for Tuah, they would be moving up.
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Speaker 1: Had he not been injured, they would be going as
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Speaker 1: high as it took to get that quarterback. Because by
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Speaker 1: all accounts, the only reason he's sliding is because of
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Speaker 1: the questions about that injury. You don't know that Trevor
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Speaker 1: Lawrence doesn't suffer a similar injury or in a c
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Speaker 1: l or a shoulder or something that puts him in
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Speaker 1: the situation and he doesn't have to be in next
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Speaker 1: year's draft. He could stay for his senior year. Your
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Speaker 1: strategy is hope, and it isn't maybe he'll be there
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Speaker 1: next year. Your strategy has to be for now and
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Speaker 1: if they want to build a winner for now and
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Speaker 1: then go get the quarterback. Speaking of quarterbacks, our next
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Speaker 1: guests have the Jaguars picking a quarterback at number nine.
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Speaker 1: Bad Jaguar's Drive Time Tuesday morning, two days before the
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Speaker 1: start of the NFL Draft, and no one might be
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Speaker 1: show right now, Bucky Brooks, NFL Network Draft Analysts. Do
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Speaker 1: you need a nap yet? No, I don't need a nap,
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Speaker 1: But it is getting busy. But this is an exciting
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Speaker 1: in the war room. Is really a fun part of
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Speaker 1: the process. How different has this been. I mean we
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Speaker 1: were just talking. There's still some juice this week. You
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Speaker 1: feel the excitement growing. But I mean, I'm sure right
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Speaker 1: now you would be in Vegas right now. How weird
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Speaker 1: has this been. It's been a lot different. But I think,
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Speaker 1: um it would be something that teams will consider going
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Speaker 1: forward because this is probably be the purest process that
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Speaker 1: we've seen a lot of times when scouts go on
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Speaker 1: the road and you kind of get around your buddies,
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Speaker 1: you can have kind of the group think tank mentality.
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Speaker 1: I think this will be one where your opinion will
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Speaker 1: be your opinion alone, and the guys who are really
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Speaker 1: good evaluators, they will really make out like bandits in
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Speaker 1: this draft because it will be one that is really
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Speaker 1: solely based off the film evaluation and not a lot
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Speaker 1: of the rumors in an uendo that you may hear
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Speaker 1: that makes sense. Never thought of it that way. Your
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Speaker 1: mock drafts, they've changed drastically, your three mock drafts that
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Speaker 1: you have recently, most recent to uh at nine to
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars. I don't think I've seen any other mock
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Speaker 1: drop that says that, Yeah, so what you're getting in
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Speaker 1: the buzz that is kind of coming out is the
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Speaker 1: medical situation with Ta And do you really feel comfortable, uh,
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Speaker 1: taking a player in the top five who may have
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Speaker 1: some medical concerns when you haven't had the opportunity to
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Speaker 1: really get your doctors around him, your training staff hasn't
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Speaker 1: had a chance to kind of poke and prode and
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Speaker 1: really see where he's at. Because of the circumstances surrounding
15:35
Speaker 1: the way that we're operating and doing business, people teams
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Speaker 1: may take a more conservative approach when it comes to
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Speaker 1: guys with a medical risk. So there's a real possibility
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Speaker 1: that to a tongue of Valoa could be sitting there
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Speaker 1: at nine for the Jacksonville Jaguars. And then you have
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Speaker 1: to make a decision, do you really believe in Gardner
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Speaker 1: Minshew being your franchise quarterback or is this an opportunity
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Speaker 1: to get a guy that could be your franchise quarterback?
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Speaker 1: Because when I look at to us, I see a
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Speaker 1: left handed version of Drew Brees. And I can talk
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Speaker 1: about the on field talent and how he spends it,
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Speaker 1: but are what I really can tell you is from
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Speaker 1: an intangible standpoint, he is everything that you want as
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Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. If to A isn't a top five pick,
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Speaker 1: why is it okay for the Jaguars to take him
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Speaker 1: and nine? What makes it okay there? Well, I think
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Speaker 1: at some point what you have to do is kind
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Speaker 1: of do the risk reward uh situation? And I think, Uh,
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Speaker 1: sometimes when you're kind of rolling the dice, you want
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Speaker 1: to roll the dice on the guy that you think
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Speaker 1: can be a high end player. I think if you
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Speaker 1: look at him play and watch the tape, he is
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Speaker 1: a high end player. He is a guy that people
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Speaker 1: were talking about tanking for prior to the season. And
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Speaker 1: so if it's a situation, and I've kind of likened
16:47
Speaker 1: it to Andrew Luck in Indianapolis. If I told you
16:51
Speaker 1: Jaguars fans, you have an opportunity to get Andrew Luck
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Speaker 1: for as brief as Andrew Luck's career was, would you
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Speaker 1: take it? I think that's the kind of risk that
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Speaker 1: you may be doing dealing with when you talk about two,
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Speaker 1: we may have a six year room where we have
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Speaker 1: a quarterback that plays at a really high level. Are
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Speaker 1: we okay with that? And I think most teams would
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Speaker 1: say that they're veryvery okay with the franchise quarterback playing
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Speaker 1: at a pro Bowl level. I have been beating the
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Speaker 1: quarterback drum long enough. I'm gonna start well well, because
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Speaker 1: Bucky and you can attest to the young lady that
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Speaker 1: if you don't have a quarterback, you aren't winning. Hey,
17:25
Speaker 1: we know that at Jacksonville. But let me ask you
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Speaker 1: where the draw the drop off points are. Where does
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Speaker 1: the talent take a significant step backward at offensive tackle,
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Speaker 1: wide receiver, defensive tackle, and cornerback. Where I mean, where's
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Speaker 1: the line of demarcation where these guys you can get
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Speaker 1: him in round two and round three? Who are the
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Speaker 1: guys that belong in the first round? Can conversation at
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Speaker 1: those positions? Man? That's a really good question, uh, Brian.
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Speaker 1: I think when you look at this draft, they're probably
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Speaker 1: about twenty guys that we were deemed blue chip players.
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Speaker 1: And so if we look at it from offensive tackle first,
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Speaker 1: the big four will fall in that category. And the
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Speaker 1: big four will be in any order, Mickay Beckton, Tristan Worth's,
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Speaker 1: Jedrick Wills, and Andrew Thomas. Those are the four guys
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Speaker 1: that you kind of expect to go the next tier
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Speaker 1: beyond them, Austin Jackson, Joshua Jones, ez Rid Cleveland. So
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Speaker 1: right after Andrew Thomas, there's a little uh separation. At
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Speaker 1: cornerback UM, Jeffrey Cooter and C. J. Henderson are the
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Speaker 1: top guys. The guys that are viewed as tier one
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Speaker 1: guys after that, I mean, they're about five or six
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that you kind of throw in there and rank
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Speaker 1: any direction. A. J. Terrell, Jalen Thomas, Trevon Diggs. Uh,
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Speaker 1: there's some people that will throw Christian Fulton in there.
18:43
Speaker 1: You have Jeff Gladny that kind of pops up. And
18:45
Speaker 1: so they're handful of guys that are that bottom of
18:48
Speaker 1: the first round, top of the second round tier UM
18:51
Speaker 1: that you like. And then at wide receiver, it's kind
18:54
Speaker 1: of the big four is Ceedee Lamb, Jerry Judy, you
18:58
Speaker 1: have Henry Ruggs and and Justin Jefferson has made his
19:01
Speaker 1: way firmly into that conversation. After that Tee Higgins, Brandon
19:06
Speaker 1: I Yuk. Those guys kind of separate themselves. And so
19:10
Speaker 1: when you think about it, if you're Jacksonville, you have
19:13
Speaker 1: to figure out, with two first round picks, who is
19:17
Speaker 1: more likely to be available supply and demand. What would
19:21
Speaker 1: be the best course of action to make sure that
19:23
Speaker 1: we get too high end blue chip players at two
19:26
Speaker 1: positions of need Bucky going into the combine. Basically every
19:32
Speaker 1: single mock draft, I think except for yours, had Derek
19:35
Speaker 1: Brown going to the jog bars at night, and that
19:37
Speaker 1: still seems to be the most popular pick. Do you think,
19:41
Speaker 1: I know everyone's saying the Panthers are probably gonna take him.
19:43
Speaker 1: Do you think there's any chance that Derek Brown falls
19:45
Speaker 1: to night. I mean, I think there's a possibility that
19:48
Speaker 1: he could fall to nine for sure. I think anytime, uh,
19:51
Speaker 1: you have quarterbacks in this draft that could be very attractive,
19:55
Speaker 1: you then have trades, and when trades happen, it's just
19:58
Speaker 1: kind of muddies of the board. But I'm to give
20:00
Speaker 1: you a name that is beginning to buzz and kind
20:02
Speaker 1: of pop up a lot in association with the Jacksonville Jaguars.
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Speaker 1: That's Javon ken Law from South Carolina. And the reason
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Speaker 1: his name is very popular is because he's a natural
20:11
Speaker 1: fit for what Klias Campbell left. The void that Killis
20:15
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20:18
Speaker 1: very very similar. Big athletic, physical, outstanding player at the
20:23
Speaker 1: point of a tag great energy, And I think what
20:27
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20:30
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20:32
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20:36
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20:38
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20:40
Speaker 1: at a high level. I think we're kind of seeing
20:43
Speaker 1: where they're going. He would certainly fit that Premisey, we're
20:47
Speaker 1: still a couple of days away. Give us one name
20:49
Speaker 1: that is rising up draft boards past not necessarily associated
20:52
Speaker 1: with the Jaguars, but a guy who is screaming up
20:54
Speaker 1: the board and who's somebody who's falling and uh and
20:57
Speaker 1: is likely to be surprised. So the surprise his name
21:00
Speaker 1: you talked about offensive tackles. Isaiah Wilson from Georgia could
21:04
Speaker 1: be a guy that goes much higher than people anticipate.
21:07
Speaker 1: And we're hearing he could go in the first round.
21:10
Speaker 1: And because this process is very different than people haven't
21:13
Speaker 1: gotten together. Uh, that's why you haven't seen his name
21:16
Speaker 1: pop up as much. But it's a name that's generating
21:19
Speaker 1: a lot of conversation. Um names that could be sliding
21:22
Speaker 1: and falling. Zack Bond a really good linebacker from Wisconsin
21:27
Speaker 1: may find himself outside of the first round, not through
21:30
Speaker 1: anything that he's done, but just because when you go
21:33
Speaker 1: through these exercises, you start fitting the names. He could
21:36
Speaker 1: just be a guy that's kind of left out, but
21:38
Speaker 1: he's a really good player. He's the guy that's versatile.
21:40
Speaker 1: He can bring a little pass rushing presence while also
21:43
Speaker 1: playing off the ball. He is a guy that's kind
21:46
Speaker 1: of falling in and out. And so that's why the
21:48
Speaker 1: top of the second round in the thirties, those are very,
21:52
Speaker 1: very valuable picks. If you do a really good job,
21:54
Speaker 1: you can get a talented player that just kind of
21:56
Speaker 1: falls out of the first round for whatever reason. Thank
21:59
Speaker 1: you haven't heard a whole lot in the last couple
22:01
Speaker 1: of weeks about Jordan's love. Has that fallen off? Could
22:04
Speaker 1: he still get taken above the Jaguars, or what's going
22:08
Speaker 1: on with him? You know? I think I think people
22:10
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22:12
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22:16
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22:19
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22:22
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22:24
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22:28
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22:32
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22:34
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22:36
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22:39
Speaker 1: That's why we haven't heard as much about him being
22:42
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22:45
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22:47
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Speaker 1: for John Osier's mock draft, right. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: The problem is, I don't know that you can really
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Speaker 1: be three quarterbacks gone before number nine. Um. The challenge
26:43
Speaker 1: I had was trying to figure out really what the
26:45
Speaker 1: Caroline of Panthers might do. You get the idea that
26:49
Speaker 1: they are interested in Derrek Brown. That it makes sense,
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Speaker 1: but you also get the idea that Simmons is there,
26:54
Speaker 1: the safety linebacker from Clemston. It's gonna be hard thing
26:57
Speaker 1: to pass on him. So I start had that choice.
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Speaker 1: I went with Simmons to Carolina Arizona had an offensive
27:05
Speaker 1: tackle like and that's the way they're going for Kyler Murray.
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Speaker 1: So I did have a way for Brown to get
27:10
Speaker 1: through to the Jaguars. Maybe that's a little wishful thinking
27:13
Speaker 1: because I think that's the way they should go. Uh so,
27:17
Speaker 1: but it's my mock draft. That's the way I went.
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Speaker 1: So I went Derek Brown with that. I think that
27:22
Speaker 1: would be a pick that they would race to the
27:24
Speaker 1: table with. Um I was. I was thinking, if he's
27:27
Speaker 1: not there, I don't disagree with you guys. That offense
27:30
Speaker 1: makes sense. The way Doug Moron has been talking about
27:32
Speaker 1: impact players offensively, why i'd receiver there if they think
27:37
Speaker 1: they can find elite makes sense there. I don't think
27:40
Speaker 1: they're gonna go that route there, So I'm going with
27:42
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson at number twenty from l s U. I
27:45
Speaker 1: don't really have any passion for that pick particularly. I
27:50
Speaker 1: just think at some point during their first three picks,
27:52
Speaker 1: they're going corner, defensive tackle, wide receiver, somewhere in that order.
27:57
Speaker 1: It feels like the value at corner could flip where
28:02
Speaker 1: Why I take it at twenty when you can probably
28:04
Speaker 1: get it forty two. So for that reason, if I
28:06
Speaker 1: go tackle a number nine, I gotta go wide receiver
28:08
Speaker 1: and number twenty and none of this will happen on Thursday. Brian, Yeah,
28:14
Speaker 1: very little. Does I mean, how many drafts have you
28:16
Speaker 1: watched where you're stunned? Right? I think my mock, uh,
28:21
Speaker 1: we'll stunt some people because I have teams matched up
28:25
Speaker 1: where I think so. I think to ends up in Miami.
28:27
Speaker 1: I left him at five because we didn't include trades here,
28:30
Speaker 1: and I think Okuda, the corner from Ohio State, ends
28:33
Speaker 1: up with Detroit. They may end up flipping spots, but
28:35
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of how this one works. I
28:38
Speaker 1: have Justin Herbert sliding to number nine and being available
28:41
Speaker 1: to the Jaguars. I think he's the guy they end
28:43
Speaker 1: up with. I don't know. If they stay at nine
28:45
Speaker 1: and he slides to that far, maybe they have to
28:47
Speaker 1: move their way up. Imagine Detroit trading back with Miami
28:51
Speaker 1: and then trading back with Jacksonville again for the Jaguars
28:55
Speaker 1: to get in front of the Chargers. Look, I basically
28:58
Speaker 1: simply on the fact that the Jaguars don't have a core.
29:00
Speaker 1: You're back, they have draft capital, and they have quarterbacks
29:03
Speaker 1: in front of them that merit a pick. If I
29:06
Speaker 1: were the owner of this franchise, I would turn to
29:09
Speaker 1: David dug and say, look, I forget about this year alone.
29:12
Speaker 1: I want you thinking two, three, four years down the road,
29:15
Speaker 1: even if you're not here. So I need you to
29:18
Speaker 1: get me a quarterback because you can only win in
29:21
Speaker 1: this league with the quarterback. I think Herbert's the guy.
29:25
Speaker 1: I think the Jaguars end up trading number forty two
29:27
Speaker 1: to move up to get him. But at twenty A. J. Terrell,
29:31
Speaker 1: the talented corner from Clemson, is one of those guys.
29:35
Speaker 1: With Fulton, the kid from l s U Yeah, and Digs,
29:40
Speaker 1: the kid from Alabama. I think that he's one of
29:43
Speaker 1: those players that will be available to them at a position.
29:47
Speaker 1: I think they can address defensive tackle early in the
29:50
Speaker 1: in the draft. There's some guys. They're not the Derek
29:53
Speaker 1: Brown to the Javon Kinlaws, but guys who can come
29:55
Speaker 1: in and play. I think we all definitely agree they're
29:59
Speaker 1: going to meet to a dress cornerback at some point.
30:02
Speaker 1: Those first three picks. Mine's little shaky, and honestly I
30:05
Speaker 1: changed this maybe four days ago. I always had big
30:08
Speaker 1: and big, but we've been talking about for weeks now,
30:10
Speaker 1: offensive line, defensive line. But the more Doug Marrone talked
30:14
Speaker 1: to us in the need for playmakers and scoring more points,
30:18
Speaker 1: I had to go wide receiver at nine, that explosive
30:21
Speaker 1: planmaker and Jerry Judy, And at first I didn't think
30:24
Speaker 1: Derek Brown would be there, so I thought, you know what,
30:25
Speaker 1: They'll probably just take javon Kin Law. But I think
30:27
Speaker 1: nine is too high to take kin Law. So I
30:30
Speaker 1: have something shaky happening. Instead of them picking at twenty,
30:34
Speaker 1: I think they can trade up maybe fourteen fifteen and
30:37
Speaker 1: still get javon Kin Law And what a great first
30:41
Speaker 1: round with that it would be if they could get
30:42
Speaker 1: javon Kin Law and explosive playmaker with Jerry Judy. I
30:45
Speaker 1: think they use some of that draft capital trade up
30:48
Speaker 1: and get to explosive players. I know it's a lot
30:53
Speaker 1: to handle, but it could happen. I like this, so
30:57
Speaker 1: it's you don't think that's hears me about wide receiver
31:01
Speaker 1: at number nine, and I kept trying to put one there.
31:04
Speaker 1: Everything you hear about this class is that it's really
31:07
Speaker 1: really good and there's thirty guys who can play. And
31:11
Speaker 1: then when you talk to analysts, the caveat as always,
31:15
Speaker 1: but there may not be a Julio or an A J.
31:18
Speaker 1: Green or that big time guy. So when you talk
31:22
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31:27
Speaker 1: being that level guy, and I'm saying they won't do it,
31:30
Speaker 1: but that's what would give me pause. If if if
31:33
Speaker 1: you thought a J. J. Green was there, and you
31:35
Speaker 1: thought big time game changing guy was there, I feel
31:39
Speaker 1: more comfortable with it. I don't know if they do
31:42
Speaker 1: it based on that, but I certainly think it's a possibility. No,
31:46
Speaker 1: I think it definitely makes more sense most likely second round.
31:49
Speaker 1: Maybe they use the pick like you said with the
31:51
Speaker 1: guy out of L s U. But I think they're definitely.
31:53
Speaker 1: The more done your own talks, the more I see
31:56
Speaker 1: them addressing wide receiver earlier than we thought a couple
31:58
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Get their problem, and you may be right.
32:02
Speaker 1: There's two or three guys who are really really good
32:04
Speaker 1: in this collection. Meeting separate from the others that they
32:08
Speaker 1: may not be there number twenty. So that's where I
32:10
Speaker 1: think you may have a lot of city of your point,
32:12
Speaker 1: maybe Richland. To get that guy, they may have to
32:15
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32:19
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32:24
Speaker 1: this last week before the draft, everybody's talking. I wouldn't
32:29
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32:34
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32:39
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32:42
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32:44
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32:52
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Speaker 1: where the draft is next year? Cleveland. Yeah it's not
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Speaker 1: quite the same as Vegas, No close second, though, you think.
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Speaker 1: Please Brown's fans note that that is sarcasm from schlenn
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Speaker 1: and John. The one big difference for this series draft
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Speaker 1: as we were told, no, even though you're at home,
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Speaker 1: you can't wear your pajamas during the draft. So we
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Speaker 1: turned up and the good news is I will be closed.
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Speaker 1: So that's a that's a solid and I'll probably I'll
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Speaker 1: probably throw on a collar shirt at some point. So
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Speaker 1: the fans of bone Yeah, but no blazer, don't get
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Speaker 1: out of hand. I won't go laser, but a little
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Speaker 1: good the manly. Yes, the beer has to stick at
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Speaker 1: this point, you've invested in it. Here's a question, how
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Speaker 1: many times a week do you change your clothes? What
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Speaker 1: do you mean change clothes? That he was the perfect
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Speaker 1: person to ask that question for when we talked a
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Speaker 1: little earlier, change clothes. But I doesn't change close in
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Speaker 1: five weeks he's had that same collar shirt on. But hey,
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Speaker 1: it's a good shot. It stands on its own that
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Speaker 1: it does all right, And that is our show. Jaguarys
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Speaker 1: Drive Time right before the Draft. Stay tuned Jaguars dot Com, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,
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Speaker 1: We have all your draft coverage this week. We will
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Speaker 1: talk to you guys on Thursday.