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The missing history and timeline of the Iran conflict · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Hello, everyone and welcome.
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  This is Karen Schoen, and you are listening to the Prism of America's Education, brought to you on the America Out Loud.news network.
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  As I've been looking this past week at the current events, I began to realize I don't think most people understand the evolution of where we are today and this war, non-war action, whatever we're calling it, uh, probably a war.
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  Um, but I don't think people remember as to the events that led us there.
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  So I just want to go over a very few for a minute.
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  Remember George Bush 43.
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  Well, he had a man by the name of Grover Norquist, and Grover convinced George to go soft on Iran that they weren't really as bad as they made out to be.
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  And this set the policy for future presidents to soften the policy on Iran.
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  Janet Napolitano's DHS secretary under Obama erase everything that was jihad from all of the training manuals from the FBI, the military, so that they really never knew who the enemy was and couldn't study them.
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  And any time jihad was mentioned, they were told uh squash it.
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  It doesn't count.
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  And then, of course, Obama had his right hand, Valerie Jarrett.
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  Claire, you know a lot more about Valerie than I do, so I will defer to you.
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  Valerie Jarrett is the daughter of a couple from Chicago, Illinois, who were in the medical field and served at a hospital in Iran at the time she was born.
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  Oh, okay.
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  So that thank you, Claire, and that is our guest for today.
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  And I'm so glad she's here because she can correct all of the things that I might have misspoke about.
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  But anyway, Valerie Jarrett was a huge influence on Obama, excepting Iran.
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  And if you remember, we gave pallets of cash to Iran.
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  But just as important, there was a drone that was shot down in Iran, and rather than blowing it up, Obama let them uh reverse engineer, and now they have an incredible drone program.
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  And of course, we then go to Biden, who gave what 82 billion dollars worth of uh military equipment to make sure that it fell into the hands of Iran as he left them and ran away from Afghanistan, and of course, there were boatloads of cash.
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  I think that we should learn from that, those experiences and ask yourself this question.
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  How many Americans have to die before we realize that the policies of the past presidents of appeasement don't work?
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  And I think that's where President Trump wound up.
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  And he said, What we're doing is not working, we're allowing them to advance, and one day, maybe not when I'm president, but certainly when my children are grown, my grandchildren are grown, there will be a threat, and who knows what the outcome is.
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  So if I can control the outcome now, I'm gonna do it.
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  And I think that's what motivated him to uh initiate the situation, the war that we are in, and frankly, I'm glad that he did.
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  But I have asked Claire Lopez, who I always turn to for anything Middle East and China for international news as Claire has worked in the intelligence sector.
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  Appreciate your input, Claire.
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  It is amazing.
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  So what do you think about President Trump's actions now?
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  Well, thank you, Karen, for having me on again.
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  You know, I think we have to take this back a ways even further than than you did with your outline of events there.
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  I think we have to go back all the way to the end of the war in Afghanistan when the Soviet Red Army was kicked out at the end of the 1980s by 1990.
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  The forces that had joined in to defeat the Soviets were trickling back to whatever countries they came from.
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  Usama bin Laden was never a fighter, but he was a financier, and uh those fighters he had finance, they wanted to go back home to Saudi Arabia.
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  Now I forget who the king was at that point.
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  It might have been Fahd, but in any case, he was wise enough to say, no, thank you.
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  You guys aren't coming back here.
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  And so Usama bin Laden and uh what was not yet coalesced as Al Qaeda but would be soon, uh, were uh invited instead by Umar al-Bashir, the president at that time of Sudan, and his Muslim Brotherhood buddy Hassan al-Turabi invited to go there to Khartoum, and so they did, and others joined, like uh uh I'm in al-Sawahidi, the fighters uh and so forth.
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  Um, and uh what happened is that um Sudan invited um all of the representatives of the jihadi world at the time to come to Khartoum, Sunnis and Shiites alike, and the entire top leadership of the Iranian regime, President Ali Akbar Hashemi Raf Sanjani was there, his intel chief Ali Falahiyan was there, uh the uh head of the IRGC Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps at the time, Mosent Razai was there, important, the head of the Hezbollah terrorist, um uh part of Hezbollah, uh Imad Mugniya was there, and what happened is that Osama bin Laden turns to Iranian president, uh Raf Sanjadi and says, Hey, I really like what your Hezbollah boys uh do with big building suicide truck bombings, hearkening back, of course, to the 1983 uh bombings of our marine corps barracks as well as the U.S.
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  Embassy, the French got hit too.
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  Uh, and uh, and so Pazesh Gian, I'm sorry, he's the current president of Iran.
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  Raf Sanjani says, Hey, Imad Mabia, come on over here.
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  Uh, you are now in charge of training Al Qaeda to be developing at this point, coalescing still, training these guys how to do big building truck suicide bombings.
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  So the Iranian president put Hezbollah, terror chief, Mugnia, in charge of training what would become Al Qaeda to do suicide bombings, and what followed?
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  1996, Kobar Towers in Saudi Arabia.
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  Uh 1998, uh, the East Africa Embassy bombings in Nairobi, uh, Kenya, Dar Salaam, Tanzania.
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  Uh, October 2020, the USS coal hit not by a truck, but by a uh a boat, a rubber dinghy, I guess, uh, in harbor in Yemen.
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  Uh, casualties to the U.S.
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  Navy, I think there were 17, almost sunk the ship, but they managed to save it.
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  And then finally, of course, 9-11 itself.
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  Now, all of these were leadups to 9-11, but our intelligence community was so convinced that Sunnis and Shiites could never ever, ever work together that they ignored all the warning signals.
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  They completely missed the Khartoum meetings, which by the way are documented in the 9-11 Commission report of 2004, missed those meetings entirely, missed the declaration of war.
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  Two of them issued by Osama bin Laden, Iman al-Sawhadi and others, one in 1996, one in 1998.
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  No, those were not fatwas.
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  A fatwa is a religious uh Islamic uh doctrine response to a question about Islamic doctrine, and it is issued only by an authoritative mushtahid that would be uh a scholar of Islamic doctrine, which Usama bin Laden was not.
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  Those were declarations of war, they were completely missed.
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  And on we went, Sunnis and Shiites aligned together all the way up to 9 11.
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  Perfect example of that comes from.
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  Perfect example of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, because these people will get together for anything just to destroy the West.
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  And I think that they are doing a great job, especially if we look at Europe today.
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  Because people have a bad habit of thinking every incident is an isolated incident.
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  I believe it's all part of a big plan, and everything is connected.
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  So what we did in Afghanistan with Biden by giving all of those weapons wound up in the hands of Iranians, not uh well, we he left them for the Taliban, which to me is the same difference.
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  It doesn't matter.
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  A terrorist is a terrorist, and it the rest of it really doesn't make any difference.
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  Yeah, so again, we will go back to the 1980s and um, you know, the Soviet Red Army invasion of Afghanistan and the United States, uh, as well as fighters from all over the Islamic world, um, came to Afghanistan uh to help defeat the Soviet Red Army.
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  This was, you might recall uh Zbigniev Brzezinski's uh strategy to help bring down the Soviet Empire, which eventually that helped to do.
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  Um, but there in Afghanistan uh were fighters from all over the Islamic world.
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  And among those fighters were the Saudis that we talked about, funded, uh armed by uh Osama bin Laden and and others.
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  Uh and uh there were also um you know many from elsewhere around uh the Islamic world Uyghurs, by the way.
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  You wonder why China has it in for the Uyghurs.
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  Well, they're jihadis, and they fought with al Qaeda uh with the Mujahideen in uh in Afghanistan.
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  So in the 1980s, though, um there um the the uh al-Qaeda and uh the Taliban had not yet coalesced or formed completely, they did that after Afghanistan, um, and out of from the ranks of those who had fought in Afghanistan, and that's where uh Sunnis and Shiites came together.
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  That's where uh Sunni, uh Osama bin Laden, eventually Al Qaeda merged with or or or aligned with um Shiites, Iranian uh Hezbollah, uh to work together.
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  You you've heard the saying, I against my brother, my brother and I against our cousins, we and our cousins against all the other guys, right?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, in Islam, uh it's the same concept of called balanced opposition, going out in kind of a concentric balanced uh set, uh till you get to the macro level of Dar al Islam, the House of Islam where uh everything is under sharia under Islamic law versus Dar al Harb, the house of war, all those places that are not yet conquered by Islam and subjugated to Sharia.
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  And that is how, even at the local level, while Shiites and Sunnis happily tear each other to part on tear each other apart on various battlefields at the macro level, they can, they did, they will, and they will again unify uh to fight against the Dar al Harb, uh we of the free world of the non-uh sharia, non-Islamic world.
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  Okay, now you talked about the 80s, and people don't understand that China was not the powerhouse in the 80s that it is today.
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  China was becoming an enemy, and uh as the Chinese um communist party began taking its major foothold, it took time for that to happen.
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  So the Chinese they kind of um group together of which we have today, which is the Red Green Alliance.
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  But in the beginning, they weren't that powerful until Clinton came along and said, let's put them in the World Trade Organization, and they are a rising power when their whole power structure was to destroy the West.
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  Yes, well, I mean, obviously, we were remember that Mao Zedong took over uh China, uh uh marched into Beijing back in 1949, and from that point onwards, the CCP, Communist Chinese uh Chinese Communist Party and the PLA, People's Liberation Army, um, began building uh their forces, uh, and that continued uh to and continues to this day.
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  Um, but you're right, Karen, you know, uh the uh uh the uh admittance uh if you will of uh the Chinese uh into the world trade organization certainly had uh an important uh effect uh under the um American uh US uh Clinton administration.
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  Um, but you know, we'll we'll also remember that there was uh the Nixon administration that preceded that, and with foreign uh advisor or foreign foreign uh uh affairs of advisor Henry Kissinger, um they uh opened the way, if you will, uh in 1972 and onwards uh into the 70s, opened uh, you know, relations with China, the uh the historic visit of uh you know President Richard Nixon to China, and many, many at the time, his administration and others thought uh that if China were welcomed into the global community and eventually, you know, on further became a member of the world trade organization, but they were opened up, you know, to relations to trade to commerce, that not only would their economics become more liberal in the process of trading with the world, uh, as they uh became more uh uh prosperous under such uh you know uh an affair, but that they would um you know also liberalize in terms of the government um and become more democratic representative of their people.
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  Well, of course, that never happened, never was going to happen.
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  Uh, but that that was the the thought.
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  That was the uh the the reason for these policies that brought China into uh you know such um um uh a power status or helped at least to build that up to where now, just as you say, you know, the Chinese regime has been um part of uh the red green axis, I would say uh aligned, you know, of course, with Putin's Russia with uh now no longer with us, Khomeneese, uh Iran, uh, but with the cutoff now of oil first from Venezuela, the takedown in early January of Nicolas Maduro, uh, and the shutoff of the supply of oil from Venezuela to China, and now in Operation uh Roaring Lions Israel, Operation Epic Fury US, um the oil coming through the Strait of Hormuz out of the Persian Gulf is not uh moving and uh is not going to China either.
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  China is in a really bad situation, and it's not going to get better economically.
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  Um you can um basically thank President Trump, absolutely, and and his uh top advisors, Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, Secretary of War, Pete Seth and all the others, um, for this strategy that step by step pulled out uh the support for this uh you know uh what would you call it?
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  An axis of the rogues, uh, axis of the aggressors, Venezuela, uh, and and now uh Iran and the impact that has on China as well as Russia too.
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  Oh, yes, definitely has an impact on Russia.
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  Of course, remember folks, as the barrel uh price goes higher, that is an advantage to Russia.
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  But if they can't get the oil through, it doesn't matter what the price is.
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  If you can't sell it, it doesn't make any difference.
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  And I think that's what they're experiencing now.
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  Um, I was listening to, I think it was Glenn Beck this morning, and he made a very interesting point that I wanted to ask your your question on.
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  And he said a lot of the problem with the Straits of Hermuz is that the insurance companies are pulling the insurance off of the ship so that the ships are stuck and can't get through the strait because once they go through the strait, they have no insurance against what may happen.
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  And President Trump has been addressing that by.
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  I don't think people understand.
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  Right.
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  So what happened is exactly what you say, Karen, that Lloyds of London, maybe other insurers, um halted their coverage for these various different shipping companies that run the oil tankers in and out of the Persian Gulf through the Strait of Hormuz because the Iranian regime or whatever's left of it, um, you know, has uh threatened uh to uh block the Strait of Hormuz and attack shipping uh tankers going through.
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  Well, uh, as you say exactly, what President Trump has done is rather uh offered um reinsurance to cover uh these shipping companies and their tankers um with the guarantee from the U.S.
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  government of insurance coverage uh if they uh go through the Strait of Hermoose in either direction.
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  Um and in addition, President Trump also spoke about the possibility that uh the U.S.
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  Navy, our naval forces, um, would be uh directed to escort to defend uh these uh shipping tankers um as they move in and out of the the uh Persian Gulf through the Gulf uh through the uh Strait of Hormuz.
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  So with with those guarantees, as well as the fact that uh we really should make this point that the United States, under the President Trump administration's second administration, um, is now not just energy independent, but energy dominant.
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  That means that oil uh prices or availability around the world don't really affect the American market.
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  Um, except uh, you know, as prices worldwide um affect uh the worldwide uh prices of oil.
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  But I've heard experts like Larry Cudlow, for example, and others saying that the current run-up uh in in in uh oil prices and therefore at the pump, gasoline prices for uh us who uh drive uh gas-powered cars, uh, is more panic than anything real, that there is no shortage yet at the moment of oil on the international market.
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  Uh, there is oil that's stacked up in depots and on these tankers uh that haven't been able to get through where they're going, yes.
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  Uh, but there's no shortage in the United States, for example.
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  And oil prices, which have topped 100 per barrel, are now back uh down into the 90s, as I understand it this morning, and they'll go lower.
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  Um, as the insurance guarantees uh from the U.S.
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  government, and if necessary, eventually possibly uh also two U.S.
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  uh naval escorts for the tankers uh uh as they ease the situation there around uh the Persian Gulf, the uh Strait of Hormuz, and as I think just about all, I don't know that anything left of it now, the Iranian naval forces that could have would have tried to block the Strait of Hormuz, maybe mine it or um you know attack the ships.
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  Now I think most of, if not all of the Iranian Navy sits at the bottom of the Persian Gulf.
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  Yes, I think from uh President Trump said that, and uh frankly, I think that is fantastic.
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  Uh, that's where they belong at the moment because um folks I also happen to agree with President Trump.
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  We uh Americans look at things and we say it's it's right now what has happening right now and what's going on right now, and the oil is up uh to a hundred dollars and we're all gonna die because uh the prices are gonna go up and nobody's gonna be able to afford anything.
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  In the meantime, the Chinese, the uh the Russians, the Iranians, they have a long-term goal.
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  They say if we do this today, what will be the effect tomorrow?
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  And that's where our people fall down.
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  They don't have uh a what if for tomorrow scenario.
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  So we unfortunately don't prepare as they do over the long haul for whatever happens, they are more prepared than we are because they look at that and we don't.
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  And I believe the Chinese have a hundred-year plan to destroy the West.
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  And that's what they're working on, and they don't care if it's done slowly and it goes to the next generation, where we say we we've got to do it right now and uh get crazy about it.
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  Unfortunately, that leads to no solution, and that's what our leaders have offered us in the past.
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  No solution.
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  They keep on doing the same thing over and over again.
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  Claire, we're gonna come to the end of this segment, and I'm gonna ask you to come back because we haven't talked about what's going on in Latin America and in Europe.
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  And uh, as I said in the beginning of the show, everything is connected.
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  Everything has a plan.
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  There are no coincidences, and a lot of these plans are based on lies because our leaders have no idea what's going on.
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  As I said, they don't have a plan.
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  Well, I think they actually do have a very good idea.
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  Um yes, yes, let me say President Trump is different.
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  Yeah, he has a plan.
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  Absolutely.
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  Ask leaders, they were just, oh, we did that, we'll do that again.
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  We gave them money, we'll give them money.
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  They'll be they'll be happy with the money.
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  We'll send all of our manufacturing to China.
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  We'll be happy.
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  They'll be happy with that.
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  Um, well, it doesn't work that way.
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  So, Claire, hang with me for a few minutes, and we will be right back, folks.
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  Don't go away.
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  Hello everyone, welcome back.
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  This is Karen Schoen, and you are listening to the Prism of America's education with my wonderful guest, Claire Lopez, who is a wealth of information, and I value the time that we have together because I learned so much.
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  I did want to share with you, because I don't real think people realize how much everything is connected.
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  I want to share with you an email that I just got from a listener, and it says, we went down to Plant City in Florida for this past weekend, and it is so sad.
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  The strawberry farms are being replaced with solar panels.
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  The orange groves are missing too.
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  They still have a festival, and there are still a lot of berries, but the locals told me about the replacement, and you can see it in the plants.
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  Now, why am I telling you that?
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  Because as Florida is being the food source is being decimated, and our solar panels are being purchased in China.
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  Our food is coming from Latin America.
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  And when you look at the fruits and vegetables, uh, first of all, to me, they are not as fresh as they were when they came directly from China.
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  From they came directly from America, because they're sitting on a ship, they're sitting in a truck, they're doing all of those things that even includes raising the price of the food.
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  Because when you have to truck it in, when you have to bring it in by ship or bring it in by air, there's a huge added expense to that rather than growing it in America.
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  Well, President Trump, I believe, recognizes the resources that Latin America offers in an alliance with America.
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  And therefore, he has helped and supported many of the new leaders in Latin America.
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  And these leaders also recognize the importance of Argentina first or El Salvador first.
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  And what an alliance with America, not China, will offer.
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  So I've asked Claire to lend her expertise and give us a little bit of a lesson of what's going on in Latin America and how that benefits America, because that's another thing that people say, Claire.
• 33:52
  Oh, he's only working on world policy, and he's not paying attention to America without realizing that America's part of the world.
• 34:01
  Yeah, we don't have a safe world.
• 34:04
  Absolutely.
• 34:06
  Right.
• 34:06
  Absolutely good points you're making there, Karen.
• 34:09
  Uh, it is all connected.
• 34:11
  And um, President Trump is really a strategic thinker on a grand uh scale.
• 34:19
  Um, you're talking about what is going on in Latin America in particular.
• 34:24
  And of course, uh, there has just been concluded down in Florida at the Dural uh it's a uh a resort area, Trump uh resort area in Florida, just concluded today, I believe.
• 34:37
  Um, and it was a uh a meeting of uh the countries in Latin America that will be part of what is called the Shield of the Americas, and that will be headed up, by the way, uh by Christine No, who um recently has departed, uh will be at the end of this month of March, departing her post at Department of Homeland Security.
• 34:59
  And um, you're right, Karen, to mention, you know, a number of these newly elected, or at least uh sort of recently elected um leadership figures in Latin America, like Naeb uh Bukele in El Salvador.
• 35:14
  He's he's on his second term there now.
• 35:16
  Uh you you name uh Javier Millet, president in Argentina.
• 35:21
  Uh, new elections uh that have brought conservatives to power in places like uh Chile and uh and uh Ondouras and other places.
• 35:33
  Um, by the way, sent representatives to this Florida meeting of the Shield of the Americas, and then we moved to uh look at Venezuela, right?
• 35:44
  And what President Trump did, and uh Secretary of War Pete Heggseth, uh a lot of credit goes there to um capturing uh the uh the dictator of Venezuela, not ever genuinely legitimately elected president, the dictator, Nicolas Maduro and his wife, um, on an outstanding Department of Justice uh arrest warrant for narco trafficking and other offenses, brought to stand trial in New York.
• 36:16
  Uh, what he did in removing Maduro from Venezuela from power there, um has all kinds of repercussions that are not even finished playing out yet.
• 36:27
  Um, Maduro's uh vice president, um uh Delcy Rodriguez has been uh moved up to the to be the interim president in Venezuela, and an awful lot of what was there before is still there.
• 36:42
  Uh, you know, embassies of uh Russia, China, Cuba, Iran, all still there.
• 36:49
  Um, but there are some well, and also I should say that um uh the uh uh colectivos, these uh militias at the local level that suppress the population, as far as I know, they're still there under the command of uh Dios Dado Cabello, um, who um was uh or is still, I guess, the uh the uh intelligence minister.
• 37:13
  So a lot is still there, but here come to the point of uh of what has been removed, what is not there anymore, uh, is Venezuela's control over its own oil uh production and and export.
• 37:29
  Uh, we may know that that Venezuela holds enormous uh reserves of uh oil, but it's in a very thick, heavy kind of uh tar sands uh crude oil that's very difficult to refine, needs special refineries to do it.
• 37:47
  But previously, a lot of that had been shipped out of Venezuela to places like Cuba, uh, like Mexico, which does have the refineries um to uh to uh refine it to usable form, also to China, which also built special refineries to handle this heavy crude oil from Venezuela.
• 38:10
  Well, that crude oil is no longer going uh to Cuba from Mexico or anywhere else, uh, to China.
• 38:21
  And uh this is having an enormous impact uh on Cuba.
• 38:26
  Let's start there.
• 38:27
  The people of Cuba are in the streets again.
• 38:31
  We just saw this over the last couple of days.
• 38:34
  They're in the streets chanting and calling for libertad, libertad, meaning liberty, freedom.
• 38:42
  Uh, and the oil is not going to China, which also is going to have its own, is already having its own economic difficulties in large part because it had to import so much of its oil, a lot of it coming out of Venezuela, a lot more coming out of the Persian Gulf, which those ships are no longer going to China either.
• 39:08
  So strategic thinking, global thinking by President Trump and his uh cabinet team.
• 39:14
  This is affecting um adversaries, enemies of America all over the world to our benefit and the benefit of the American people.
• 39:24
  I know and it is fabulous to see a leader like President Trump, who has the ability to say if I can get rid of their suppliers, it will cause a downfall of that country instead of going after the country.
• 39:42
  Also, they were getting the oil at a greatly reduced price, which enabled them to produce materials or products at a greatly reduced price, and therefore be major competition for American companies.
• 40:00
  Companies who couldn't repay a greatly reduced price for the same product.
• 40:06
  And I think it's a wonderful thing, even though our products may be a few dollars more.
• 40:12
  I do remember in the 90s in the 80s and 90s, it was always buy American because the Chinese products will fall apart.
• 40:23
  They may be cheap, but you get what you pay for.
• 40:26
  And buying American was always something that offered a great deal of quality.
• 40:32
  And that's what Americans had focused on, quality, where Chinese the Chinese focused on quantity.
• 40:40
  So if you're buying stuff from Temu, I suggest you buy it right away because prices will probably go up quite a big deal.
• 40:50
  Now, Claire, um this then opens up a whole new world of uh of being able to have resources because let's also remember we got a lot of beef and we got a lot of produce from Argentina.
• 41:08
  We used to get a lot of um different resources from uh the I believe was Mexico has one of the largest silver manufacturers, silver mines in the world.
• 41:23
  So if we could help straighten out Mexico, that might help.
• 41:27
  But um the idea to make those countries solvent and not dependent is what President Trump is aiming at.
• 41:38
  And by doing that, it makes America more solvent and more able to um focus on America, and that's the problem that I have with all of these talking heads that are constantly saying, oh, President Trump is only interested in what's going on in the world, he's not interested in what's going on in America.
• 42:02
  I disagree, because if we didn't straighten out the world, then there wouldn't we would be in the same hole that we were in before.
• 42:12
  But we have a big problem, I think, when we look at what's going on in Europe.
• 42:18
  Do you believe that Europe is hopelessly lost or there's always hope?
• 42:25
  Do you think with the right leadership that Europe might also come around?
• 42:30
  No, you know, I don't believe that Europe is hopelessly lost.
• 42:33
  I I think that they have some uh really um serious uh problems and questions they're going to have to address.
• 42:41
  Um, and a lot of that has to do with the um loose policies of allowing immigration from places like the Middle East, uh, where those coming in have absolutely no um interest in assimilating into Western European uh culture, uh civilization, um, but rather uh come with intentions to um impose their own um I uh you know ideas of civilization and air quotes, um a lot of that having to do with uh Islam, Islamic law, Sharia.
• 43:16
  So I think uh, you know that President Trump has addressed this head on uh in two different years.
• 43:23
  Last year at the Munich Security Conference, uh Vice President Jance spoke, and especially addressed in his uh remarks there, um, the the failure of European countries, you know, uh the the Christian, formerly Christian countries of Europe, uh, to stand up for their own values, but also um the the way that a lot of those countries, uh, Britain, France, uh, uh Germany, others, um uh are not upholding uh the values of free speech, free uh freedom of the press.
• 44:01
  Uh that was J.D.
• 44:02
  Vance's speech last year.
• 44:03
  Uh this year, uh it was Marco Rubio's turn, Secretary of State, uh, and he spoke at the Munich Security Conference.
• 44:11
  It just ended uh a while ago, a week or two or something ago.
• 44:15
  Um, and uh he also addressed uh, you know, these same issues um that uh, you know, if Europe is to retain um its identity as a Judeo Christian uh civilization, um, and and be able to stand up for its own defense in the face of an aggressive invading empire of Russia, for example, um, they're going to have to take some some serious steps, but to begin with with upholding or returning uh to upholding um, you know, basic civic liberties.
• 44:53
  Um, and we're seeing we're seeing pushback uh in Britain, for example, against their prime minister Keir Starmer, who's been a hopeless disaster.
• 45:01
  He is a hopeless disaster.
• 45:03
  Um, but uh maybe not long for his post as prime minister, uh, with um, you know, the uh the uh people of Britain having had just about enough of him.
• 45:16
  So um there are a lot of things that can and should be done.
• 45:20
  President Trump and his cabinet people uh are really pushing Europe, I think, in the right direction.
• 45:27
  Yeah, I think uh saying to NATO, we're not gonna fund you forever, uh, we're not funding you anymore.
• 45:33
  Actually, we really don't see a reason why we should even participate in NATO because all you're doing is buying oil from Russia, which enhances Russia, and then you're having us come and offer protection against Russia, and that kind of doesn't make sense at all.
• 45:52
  And uh, I think he's done with that.
• 45:55
  So I'm glad that the Shield of America maybe will replace the concept of NATO and have the Americas join together and be able to withstand the onslaught from the CCP and the Chinese.
• 46:16
  Um what went on in Texas with the amendment, what was it, proposition 10 that said no sharia in Texas, but then we had a judge in Florida that said that uh Governor DeSantis's executive order claim uh citing care as a domestic terror group is unconstitutional.
• 46:44
  Is that insanity, Claire?
• 46:46
  Well, a few things.
• 46:48
  So uh the first thing I would go back to NATO, it is not done and over with.
• 46:52
  We in the United States of America are absolutely and a critical part of NATO, and we will continue to be so.
• 47:00
  But under President Trump, the other member countries of NATO have been uh pushed to increase their uh GDP percentage of GDP spending on defense, not just up to the required two, what was it, 2.5%, but now many of them moving on up to a pledge to 5% of GDP on their own defense.
• 47:23
  So that is a very welcome uh development there.
• 47:27
  Uh come back to the United States, and um yes, uh the the Shield of the Americas should be a very important new uh grouping uh under uh United States leadership.
• 47:39
  Uh coming back to what you just said about Texas and um and sharia, you know, we don't really have the need for any more laws about Sharia or Islamic law uh at the state level or any other level.
• 47:54
  We have um we already have Article 6 of the US Constitution, which says the supreme law of the land shall be the constitution of the United States and the laws derived from it.
• 48:06
  You don't need any more laws, all you need to do is enforce the constitution we already have, um, which which says that US law, constitutional law uh is the supreme law of the land and Trump's uh state law, local law, um also not just alien law like Sharia, but the constitutional law, constitution um is is supreme uh and takes precedence over even state law.
• 48:36
  So um you don't need any more laws.
• 48:38
  I I don't know why they're bothering.
• 48:40
  All they have to do is enforce Article 6.
• 48:43
  Come to Florida, um, and um, you know, there uh the designation or the intended uh uh bill, I guess, uh to designate care, and I think the Muslim Brotherhood also uh as terrorist organizations is kind of um silly.
• 48:59
  Um neither one of them has ever committed a single act of terrorism against the United States or Americans, not care and not the Muslim Brotherhood.
• 49:08
  But what they do do, they're both absolutely jihadist organizations, um, and uh as such, what they're doing is very much in line with what was written in the 1991 memorandum, uh explanatory memorandum of the Muslim Brotherhood, uh, which called for civilization jihad, uh a jihad within our societal institutions, taking over by way of subversion.
• 49:42
  It's got nothing to do with terrorism, forget terrorism and nothing to do with terrorism.
• 49:47
  It has to do with subversion from within of our societal institutions, academia, uh government at every level, our faith communities, uh obviously media, um.
• 50:00
  You know, to include entertainment, uh, the business world, uh, you know, a wall street, on and on.
• 50:06
  Uh, but it there's nothing to do with terrorism.
• 50:09
  Forget about designating them as terrorists, they're not terrorists, they're jihadi subversives, and we are not yet at the sophistication level we need to be as Americans, as Western civilization, really, to counter subversion, which by the way, there is no law in the U.S.
• 50:30
  criminal code against subversion, yes, against uh terrorism, obviously.
• 50:37
  Um, you know, against sedition, against seditious conspiracy, but no law against subversion, which means we've really got to up our game to subversion and forget about all this terrorist stuff, it's got nothing to do with it.
• 50:54
  I think that's what they're doing.
• 50:55
  They're using the word terrorism in place of subversion because most for the most part, most people don't understand.
• 51:04
  But all of this is really part of what is called the color revolution, where their goal is to change the culture of the country, and they do that by infiltrating a variety of groups and uh group variety of especially schools, and that's their big number.
• 51:22
  And I believe if we got and if we expose this in the schools, then there would be a much clearer understanding.
• 51:32
  But unfortunately, uh, my beef is they don't teach American history, and if you ask most of our legislators to explain uh the sixth amendment um in the constitution, they will look at articles, article six, rather.
• 51:49
  Um, if you ask our legislators to discuss article six in the constitution, they'll probably say we have six articles, really.
• 52:01
  Please most of them have I wonder how many of them have gotten in office without even reading the constitution.
• 52:09
  27 amendments.
• 52:11
  Yes, but they have no clue, and they are uh it's really very sad.
• 52:17
  And then again, I turn to us, we the people, and it's sad because we are not holding them accountable.
• 52:25
  We are not vetting our candidates, we are not asking the tough questions, we are continually saying, oh, he sounds nice, he looks good, he has such great speech, I'll vote for him.
• 52:37
  He's such a handsome person, she's so pretty, blah, blah, blah.
• 52:41
  And instead of saying, have you read the Constitution?
• 52:45
  Do you believe it's the Supreme Law of the Land?
• 52:49
  Uh do you know uh what is going on uh economically in your state that for example in Florida that replacing uh crops with solar panels leaves us nothing to eat?
• 53:04
  Um, are you thinking?
• 53:06
  And most of the time we don't do that, that's our job, and we are falling down on our job.
• 53:12
  So that's up to us, folks.
• 53:14
  And I will uh say thank you so much, Claire.
• 53:18
  I really appreciate the wonderful lessons that you provide, and uh love to have you back again because I enjoy talking to you.
• 53:27
  And uh tell everybody where they can find you.
• 53:30
  Well, again, thanks so much for having me, Karen.
• 53:32
  I'll be glad to come back again, of course, uh any time.
• 53:36
  Uh, and in the meantime, uh, I do not have a website of my own, but you can uh follow my interviews and um my writing at places like uh the uh United West, uh, like the Citizens Commission on National Security, the Near East Center for Strategic Engagement, and of course, on social media where I'm on Twitter.
• 54:00
  Uh yeah, it's still Twitter.
• 54:02
  Uh, in my name, Claire M.
• 54:04
  Lopez.
• 54:04
  Same thing on Facebook on uh Truth Social on Claire Chow, C-L-A-R-E-C-H-O, and on Telegram.
• 54:15
  I'm at Liberty Lopez Liberty, I should say.
• 54:18
  Lopez Liberty.
• 54:20
  Well, folks, you certainly have enough places to find Claire and her writing is fabulous.
• 54:27
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• 54:30
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• 56:11
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• 56:12
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• 56:14
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