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Gaza Hostages Are Freed | Gov. Shutdown Negotiations Stagnate · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
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  Speaker 1: six forty.
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  Speaker 2: Three KFI AM six forty Bill Handle here. It is
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  Speaker 2: a momentous Monday. That's the way we should call Monday's
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  Speaker 2: momentous Mondays, because that's what they seem to be lately.
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  Speaker 2: October thirteenth and the big news, and we're watching this
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  Speaker 2: in real time. First of all, the hostages several hours ago,
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  Speaker 2: all twenty hostages were released, the ones that we're still alive. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the bodies, the remains of the ones still held by
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  Speaker 2: Hamas who are deceased. They figured it out twenty eight
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  Speaker 2: of those those will be coming over, but obviously concentrate
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  Speaker 2: on the.
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  Speaker 1: Ones that were alive and they now are back on
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  Speaker 1: Israeli soil. The President.
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  Speaker 2: Is in Israel. He flew out to celebrate that. He
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  Speaker 2: also spoke in front of the Kanesset a little while
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  Speaker 2: ago and rightly took credit for it. He was introduced
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  Speaker 2: by the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as the greatest president
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  Speaker 2: that ever lived. Without his help, that is, without President
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  Speaker 2: Trump's help, this probably this would not have happened.
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  Speaker 1: And he's right.
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  Speaker 2: The President was able to pull all of this together
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  Speaker 2: because he's Donald Trump. He's Donald Trump, who happens to
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  Speaker 2: be president. No other president, I think would do this,
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  Speaker 2: because no other president would literally look at Hamas and say,
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  Speaker 2: you don't come to the table, you're gonna be blown
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  Speaker 2: to smithereens and we're going to help Israel do it.
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  Speaker 2: That wouldn't happen. Joe Biden would never have had that happen.
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  Speaker 2: Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, the George Bushes. Never this president did.
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  Speaker 2: And Hamas had to come to the table. So what's
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  Speaker 2: happening is the president then spoke I don't know. He
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  Speaker 2: was on for half an hour maybe up at the
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  Speaker 2: stand at the Dayas in front of the Kanesset, which
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  Speaker 2: is their parliament, and he had the teleprompters there, and
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  Speaker 2: boy did he go off script. I mean, he came
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  Speaker 2: up with stories about Steve Witkoff, who is the senior negotiator,
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  Speaker 2: and what Steve did and his background and just and
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  Speaker 2: stories talked about Jared Kushner, his son in law, who
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  Speaker 2: was instrumental all this, and how Ivonka converted to Judaism,
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  Speaker 2: and just talked about the seven forty seven that he
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  Speaker 2: bought for the United States from Cutter, and I mean
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  Speaker 2: it just was all over the place, and he's the
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  Speaker 2: one that was able to pull it off. Come on, well,
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  Speaker 2: typical Donald Trump. I mean, you talk about off script, okay,
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  Speaker 2: And that's the only thing at this point that I
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  Speaker 2: can really, I think, talk about a negative way about
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, because underneath it all, this guy made it happen. Now,
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  Speaker 2: as I said earlier, I'm going to talk about that
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  Speaker 2: in the next segment.
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  Speaker 1: Is how did this happen?
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  Speaker 2: Why did it take seven hundred and thirty six days?
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  Speaker 2: What did Israel do? And this is not being talked
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  Speaker 2: a whole lot about. Is that Hamas basically shot itself
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  Speaker 2: in the foot, in both feet, and the way where
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  Speaker 2: it guessed this guest where it would all go, and
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  Speaker 2: how they completely blew it. And I'll try to set
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  Speaker 2: up some timeline and dive into a little bit. In
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  Speaker 2: the meantime, the president right now is on Air Force one,
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  Speaker 2: having left Tel Aviv maybe half an hour ago. He
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  Speaker 2: will be landing in Cairo. It's a one hour flight
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  Speaker 2: from Tel Aviv to Cairo, and he will I can't
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  Speaker 2: even imagine what the hoopla is going to be as
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  Speaker 2: he lands at Cairo International Airport and will be feted
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  Speaker 2: like you can't believe because he is obviously he is
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  Speaker 2: the hero here. There are twenty world leaders that are
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  Speaker 2: in Cairo, and is a peace summit that is being convened,
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  Speaker 2: and talk about what's going to happen in Gaza. Now
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  Speaker 2: that the war is over and the hostage is part
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  Speaker 2: of it. That's been done. Now comes the hard part,
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  Speaker 2: and what is the hard part? Who is going to
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  Speaker 2: govern Gaza and the West Bank? Because Israel's putting all
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  Speaker 2: that together under a new Palestinian authority, actually an international
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  Speaker 2: authority that's going to govern Gaza such until such time
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  Speaker 2: that that can govern itself, which as far as Israel
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  Speaker 2: is concerned with this government, the Israeli government will mean
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  Speaker 2: the Ever, then you have will Hamas disarm itself? Will
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  Speaker 2: it cease to be will it cease to become a
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  Speaker 2: political force? Will the party because it's a political party
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  Speaker 2: as well the terrorist group as well as a governing group,
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  Speaker 2: so it hits all of those points in Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: Will it disarm? Will it dismember itself? Will it do
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  Speaker 1: any of that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, what's happening now, just getting reports that Hamas is
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  Speaker 2: jumping right into those areas that Israel has relinquished Israel
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  Speaker 2: has and this is part of the ceasefire, is that
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  Speaker 2: Israel has released about I would say sixty percent of
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  Speaker 2: Gaza to Hamas, which is still in charge. So if
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  Speaker 2: you look at Israel, imagine the entire eastern part of Israel,
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  Speaker 2: all of that eastern part of Gaza, all of that
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  Speaker 2: is in Israeli hands. Gaza City is not Eunice, is
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  Speaker 2: not the big city in the south that was at
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  Speaker 2: the point of a lot of this fighting and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of humanitarian aid not coming in. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot going on there, but Israel, pursu into the agreement,
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  Speaker 2: still controls a lot of Gaza. Hamas now and these
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  Speaker 2: are the reports are now is now going around and
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  Speaker 2: executing people who they view were Israeli operatives or somehow
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  Speaker 2: we're traders to the Palestinian cause in Gaza and Hamas
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  Speaker 2: at this point looks like it's filling the void very
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  Speaker 2: very quickly. And frankly, I don't think Israel cares. You know,
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  Speaker 2: this is going to become an internal issue. All Israel
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  Speaker 2: cares about is the threat that Hamas is to Israel.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I want to take a break and come
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  Speaker 2: back because I want to dive into a little bit
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  Speaker 2: and there's some underlying reasons and where Hamas blew it completely.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not just talking about the terrorist attack because
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  Speaker 2: that worked for them. It happened exactly the way it
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  Speaker 2: wanted to happen. As a matter of fact, there are
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  Speaker 2: some new documents that have just come up that show
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  Speaker 2: how successful that terrorist attack is per the plans and
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  Speaker 2: per the hopes of Camas. But also how mann did
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  Speaker 2: they screw the pooch on a political, international, geopolitical military matter.
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  Speaker 2: Now I want to talk a little bit about how
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  Speaker 2: all this came to be. One of them is the President,
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  Speaker 2: of course, effectively telling Camas this either happens, it happens now,
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  Speaker 2: or I'm going to let Israel just go right at
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  Speaker 2: it and I'm going to give Israel all the arms
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  Speaker 2: it needs to effectively wipe you out. It came pretty
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  Speaker 2: close to it anyway, and also telling Natanyahu, who was
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  Speaker 2: insisting we are not going to sit down with them
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  Speaker 2: until they have agreed that there will be no more Hamas,
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  Speaker 2: that they willed disarm, that was written in stone, and
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  Speaker 2: the President told Natanyahu that's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: And if we can't.
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  Speaker 2: Get these deel cut you're not going to see American
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  Speaker 2: arms anymore. Okay, both sides now come to the table.
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  Speaker 2: So let's talk about some of the facts we know,
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  Speaker 2: because as I said.
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  Speaker 1: This is not just Israel winning.
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  Speaker 2: This was Hamas losing, shooting itself in the foot, in
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  Speaker 2: the head, in the stomach. We have just heard, and
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  Speaker 2: this just came out a few days ago, that there
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  Speaker 2: were documents that were picked up by Israeli intelligence in
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  Speaker 2: the military written by Yaya Sinwar, who had been released
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  Speaker 2: from Israeli prison after twenty years during one of these
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  Speaker 2: prisoner exchanges, and he had written given instructions to the
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  Speaker 2: terrorists to go into Israel during that October seventh attack,
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  Speaker 2: to kill as many children, to burn as many buildings
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  Speaker 2: as possible, not only kill Israeli soldiers who were there,
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  Speaker 2: but also as many civilians as possible. And he did
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  Speaker 2: it not just because he hated and we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: it's not just him who wrote this. These were instructions
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  Speaker 2: being given by the hierarchy. And it's not just because
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  Speaker 2: they hated Israelis and don't believe in Israel being any
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  Speaker 2: kind of a sovereign country.
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  Speaker 1: It shouldn't exist at all.
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  Speaker 2: But they took the political tack, because here's what they assumed,
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  Speaker 2: and this was part and parcel. They assumed that once
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  Speaker 2: this attack happened, the entire Arab world would join Hamas
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  Speaker 2: in trying to destroy Israel.
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  Speaker 1: It's right there in the documents.
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  Speaker 2: The Arab world will understand that this is a fight
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  Speaker 2: for freedom and they will join us. And they knew
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  Speaker 2: they had the backing of his Blah. They knew they
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  Speaker 2: had the backing of Iran. They knew they had the
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  Speaker 2: backing of the various Isis and al Kaieda offshoots in Iraq.
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  Speaker 2: And they knew that Israel is this one loan country
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  Speaker 2: and if the United States weren't there, it wouldn't even exist.
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  Speaker 2: And they thought that the whole world, the Arab world,
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  Speaker 2: was going to be on their side. They missed it completely,
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  Speaker 2: of course they did. First of all, Hesbelah was wiped
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  Speaker 2: out by the Israelis. They just attacked His attacked South
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  Speaker 2: Lesbionon and Hesbelah is no longer a force. The attack
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  Speaker 2: on Iran, you had Israel straight out attack Iran, sending missiles,
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  Speaker 2: which had never happened before. And then the United States,
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  Speaker 2: this is where Trump came in and bombed facilities, nuclear facilities,
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  Speaker 2: and so Iran now doesn't have anywhere near the power
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  Speaker 2: that it has. So you have the two major allies
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  Speaker 2: of Hamas have just basically disappeared.
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  Speaker 1: They have devolved.
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  Speaker 2: So Hamas is now on its own for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: and the whole world as much as they hate Israel
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  Speaker 2: for what it has and is doing, or not anymore
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  Speaker 2: to the Palestinians, and there's a lot of hatred, and
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  Speaker 2: there should be a lot of hatred because while I
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  Speaker 2: don't believe the word genocide is appropriate, I do believe
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  Speaker 2: war crimes are appropriate and describing what Israel did. The
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  Speaker 2: problem is Hamas missed the boat because as much as
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  Speaker 2: the entire world, particularly the Arab world, looked at Israel
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  Speaker 2: as the enemy or at least gave lip service to
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  Speaker 2: the Palestinians, they hate Hamas as much as anybody does.
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  Speaker 2: The Arab countries do not want a Hamas controlling Gaza
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  Speaker 2: or any part of the Mid East.
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  Speaker 1: There are a bunch of terear Risks.
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  Speaker 2: They know it, and all of a sudden they as
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  Speaker 2: Hamas turns to them and says, please, you want to
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  Speaker 2: help us, you want to be on our side. Look
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  Speaker 2: what we did this magnificent thing that we did in
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  Speaker 2: attacking the Israelis on October seventh.
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  Speaker 1: They Hamas just missed it completely and so the.
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  Speaker 2: Guests, and it's the only way you can talk about this.
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  Speaker 2: The guess was wrong. Hamas didn't have a chance, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think after October seventh and what it did. And
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  Speaker 2: then keeping the hostages, that's the other really dumb thing.
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  Speaker 2: I can see the logic of taking the hostages. Obviously
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  Speaker 2: I disagree, I mean we all disagree. And the humanitarian
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  Speaker 2: issue involved in taking civilian hostages and killing civilians because
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  Speaker 2: they are Jewish, because they were Israeli, I can understand.
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  Speaker 2: They're crazy ass logic. What I don't understand is treating
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  Speaker 2: the hostages the way they did, starving the hostages, keeping
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  Speaker 2: them in cages, doing some horrific things. In one case,
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  Speaker 2: this was discussed over the news over the weekend. In
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  Speaker 2: one case, they took on a group of hostages were
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  Speaker 2: released pursuing to a couple of the ceasefires, and they
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  Speaker 2: took a group of them and turned over to the
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  Speaker 2: Red Cross, keeping one to see his fellow Israelis being freed,
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  Speaker 2: and then drove him back to the cage. In the tunnel,
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  Speaker 2: just the sheer in humanity of it. So underneath it
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  Speaker 2: all Hamas. They blew every single chance they had. They
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  Speaker 2: were never gonna win, but they made sure they lost.
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  Speaker 2: And as we speak right now, I'm looking at a
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  Speaker 2: love I've picture Air Force one is it has parked,
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  Speaker 2: the doors opened. There are probably I don't know the
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  Speaker 2: boya a dozen black suburbans that are out there and
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  Speaker 2: waiting for the President to come down the stairs of
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  Speaker 2: Air Force one at Cairo where the summit will start,
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  Speaker 2: the Gaza Summit will start.
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  Speaker 1: And look at all those planes lined up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, those are for all world leaders that have come in.
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  Speaker 1: And nobody brings a little plane. No, they've all got
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  Speaker 1: bigg Well did you notice did you notice the Sea five?
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  Speaker 2: As matter of fact, they're driving right towards it right now,
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  Speaker 2: the big Sea five or the Galaxy with the smaller
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a seven to sixty seven. Also US
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  Speaker 2: Air Force Air Force one when the play president flies
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  Speaker 2: because the United States of America on it, the same
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  Speaker 2: the same paint scheme that's on the other ones. And
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  Speaker 2: this so whenever a president travels, as you can imagine,
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  Speaker 2: it's especially in this case, a whole lot of people
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  Speaker 2: travel with him, and there's enough for rom On air
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  Speaker 2: Force one. So here comes the other airplayed in this case,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was the seven to sixty seven filled
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  Speaker 2: with I don't even say reporters. I think reporters are
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  Speaker 2: on their own that one. Those would just be officials
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  Speaker 2: and people accompanying the president. This is one big, big deal,
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  Speaker 2: and the president will be the star of this, there's.
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  Speaker 1: No question about it, and deserves to be.
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  Speaker 2: They just have to keep them off this speech making
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  Speaker 2: for forty minutes at a time. Oh, also there is
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  Speaker 2: there were a couple of private seven forty sevens there
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  Speaker 2: that you could see. They didn't have the markings of
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  Speaker 2: an airline. There's some pretty rich people there in the
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  Speaker 2: Arab world all right Now on the other side of
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  Speaker 2: the coin is what's happening on this side of the
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  Speaker 2: world is the government shut down. It's going on three
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  Speaker 2: weeks now, started his third week, and it's no end
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  Speaker 2: in sight. The government shutdown now collides with the US economy.
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  Speaker 2: Miss paychecks Wednesday are the first miss paychecks, and billions
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  Speaker 2: of dollars of government services are going to disappear, and
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  Speaker 2: millions of workers are going to be affected, not just
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  Speaker 2: in government, but those who supply government. Because even if
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  Speaker 2: you have a company that sells to the government, for example,
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  Speaker 2: let's say janitorial services or copiers or whatever. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the government obviously just make its own copiers. It buys
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  Speaker 2: it from the local copier store. Well, all of those
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  Speaker 2: payments stop. There ain't no money until the until Congress
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  Speaker 2: votes itself the ability to keep running the government.
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  Speaker 1: So where is where's this line? Why aren't they even agreeing?
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  Speaker 2: Because now when we talk about the disparity between the
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  Speaker 2: Republicans the Democrats, this is about as clear a ligne as.
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  Speaker 1: You can come to.
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  Speaker 2: And it's real simple with the Republicans want in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of all this, just give us a continuing resolution
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  Speaker 2: while we're figuring this out, while we're figuring out the budget,
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  Speaker 2: while we're figuring out the cuts if you want to
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  Speaker 2: call them cuts, and I'll explain that in a minute,
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  Speaker 2: to Medicaid and Obamacare subsidies. Let's just keep the government
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  Speaker 2: running with a continuing resolution, which just kicks the can
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  Speaker 2: down the road. And continuing resolutions happen more often than not.
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  Speaker 2: There is no deal that has come to the table
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  Speaker 2: where Democrats and Republicans can't agree, and so they pass
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  Speaker 2: a continuing resolution saying, Okay, we keep everything copasetic, we
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  Speaker 2: don't add any programs.
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  Speaker 1: It's called a clean bill.
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  Speaker 2: A continuing resolution is completely clean bill means it does
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing but just continue the government the way it's
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  Speaker 2: been going while we talk.
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  Speaker 1: Makes sense, that's completely logical.
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  Speaker 2: So why are the Democrats not going with this because
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  Speaker 2: they always have. Now let's move to the United States,
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  Speaker 2: and the pain of this governmental shutdown is hitting on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 2: day after tomorrow, the first checks don't arrive to government workers,
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  Speaker 2: and so this shutdown is colliding with the US economy.
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  Speaker 2: The miss paychecks, billions of dollars of government services which
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  Speaker 2: will not be given or will not be paid for,
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  Speaker 2: are hitting. And the president and the lawmakers in Congress
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  Speaker 2: are completely deadlocked. The Republicans and the Democrats are deadlocked.
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  Speaker 2: Why well, because the argument is that the Democrats are
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  Speaker 2: a little bit upset about is the president's priorities? And
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  Speaker 2: if the president, well, whatever the president's priorities are, the
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  Speaker 2: Republican parties and the Republican legislature, the Senate and the House,
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  Speaker 2: they are whatever the President says, they follow along. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you talk about lap dogs. So the Democrats obviously fight that.
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  Speaker 2: And this has to do and here's where they're both
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  Speaker 2: right and wrong. This has to do with the cuts,
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  Speaker 2: Medicaid expansion, and the Obama Care subsidies for people who
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  Speaker 2: heretofore couldn't afford insurance. Several million people were put on
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  Speaker 2: the roster of Obamacare that weren't prior to COVID. So
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  Speaker 2: COVID comes in and the government says, okay, we are
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  Speaker 2: going to expand Medicaid and we're going to expand the
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  Speaker 2: subsidies for Obamacare so more people can be covered. This
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  Speaker 2: was temporary. This sunsets this year. And here is the problem.
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  Speaker 2: There really is no such thing as sun setting when
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  Speaker 2: you talk about a governmental program.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the analogy.
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  Speaker 2: All right, COVID hits or some massive problem occurs at work,
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  Speaker 2: and you are given a temporary raise for six months
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  Speaker 2: or two years, and you're told this is only good
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  Speaker 2: for two years. So two years pass, and then your
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  Speaker 2: boss says, okay, we're gonna go back to the previous
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  Speaker 2: pay level. You go, wait a minute, I get this,
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  Speaker 2: and you can't ask me.
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  Speaker 1: To go back.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's exactly what I'm asking you to do is
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  Speaker 2: to go back. So you have the Democrats effectively saying
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  Speaker 2: these are cuts that the Republicans are cutting these programs.
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  Speaker 1: They're not.
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  Speaker 2: What they're doing is not extending the cuts that took place.
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  Speaker 1: They're allowing the sun.
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  Speaker 2: Setting cuts, the sun setting, sun setting, the sun I mean,
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  Speaker 2: get this right, I'm so good with words. The sun
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  Speaker 2: setting subsidies. He's Peter Piper picked a peck. The sun
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  Speaker 2: setting tanks you very much, subsidies to sunset. And the
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  Speaker 2: Democrats are saying absolutely not so, because they're saying people
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  Speaker 2: are going to be uninsured. Millions of Americans are going
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  Speaker 2: to be uninsured. They're not going to have the government
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  Speaker 2: support for medical care that they have now.
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  Speaker 1: And the Republicans are saying, hey, it.
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  Speaker 2: Was temporary, and it's a question of philosophy, and it's
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  Speaker 2: a question of what priorities are the existing government. The
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  Speaker 2: priority is immigration defense. The Democrats are we've got to
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  Speaker 2: get people insured, we have to have governmental programs that
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: help people. The Republicans think helping people in the United
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: States is a matter of defense, ensuring our borders and
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: social programs are not as important.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: It's philosophy.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So that being said, they are at a standstill
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: because the Democrats are saying, noe, we're drawing. The red
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: line is right here, right now, and we are not
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: going to vote for that continuing resolution to keep the
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: government alive for even a month while negotiations take place,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: because the Democrats rightly so, are saying the Republicans will
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: never cave to this sort of stuff.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: And they won't.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look what the Trump administration did with DOGE,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: and look what they're doing with programs all over the country.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Look what RFK is doing with the CDC. Look what
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: is happening Department of Transportation. They are cutting, cutting, cuting, cutting,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: cutting much less keeping programs alive that have been sunseted.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: And they said, we're done, We're done. And so there
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: is the fight. Is there going to be some end
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: to this?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yes? A couple of other things.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Is the well the President ordered the Pentagon to repurpose
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: research and development money to be able to make payroll
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  Speaker 2: for members of the military. The military doesn't get paid.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: They still have to be there, they don't get paid.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Millions of workers still have to go to work and
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: not get paid. Air traffic controllers can you imagine this,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: have to work and not get a paycheck, and so
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: what do you do. Well, a lot of them call
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: in sick, they just had it. And then the argument is, okay,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: so we'll get back pay. We always have that's been
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: that's just been the pattern of what we do when
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: their government shut downs. Well, the president is saying not
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: this time. You're not going to get back pay to
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: large segments of the workforce. Military will of course, how
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: does he say no to the military. And on top
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: of that, he has four thousand already workers who are
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: not working, have been furloughed, fired, and you're not going
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: to see back pay.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Now. That gets interesting with the back pay.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Business because even though it was policy to give back
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: pay to workers during a shutdown, after the last massive shutdown,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: the Congress passed a law saying it is illegal not
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: to pay furloughed employees or those who are not are
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: off the books but still have to work. And the
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: president and the White House is saying, we ain't going.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: To pay now. The law says that the government must
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: pay back pay.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: And you know when that was signed, it was during
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's first term.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: He signed it, he said, he signed the bill that
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: said there must be back pay.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: And now he's saying there Isn't you go, wait a minute,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: it's the law that you oh signed, there's your signature
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  Speaker 2: right on that law.
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  Speaker 1: Nope.
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  Speaker 2: Ah. The joys of this administration is when the laws
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: on your side, the laws on your side, When the
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: laws not on your side, the laws on your side.
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  Speaker 1: All right, We're done with that.
• 25:20
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