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Breaking Down the Big Week 8 Games · Best of the NFL Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody?
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Speaker 2: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and Bucky with you.
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Speaker 2: No Reht today, he's got like a power issue, Buck.
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Speaker 2: I guess they said it's like they got to cut
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Speaker 2: the power because of fire issues. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: I believe it, but anyways, we wish Rhet all the best.
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Speaker 1: So no, yeah, I'm good, no PBu. But like I
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Speaker 1: was going to share this Rett, So I was watching.
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Speaker 1: I was in Pittsburgh for the Jazz game against the Steelers.
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Speaker 1: I'm at the bar, I'm watching Penn State in Indiana
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Speaker 1: and lor and behold, it turned.
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Speaker 2: Out to be like a close game fight, yeah, going back.
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Speaker 1: And forth, and so I was looking forward to hearing
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Speaker 1: Pbu's thoughts on how his team just came up short
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Speaker 1: because they look they were in the game the entire game.
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Speaker 1: It was back and forth a fair It was a
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Speaker 1: really good game, but it was kind of funny watching
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Speaker 1: it in a very Penn State heavy environ.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I can imagine, absolutely, you were at a big game.
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Speaker 2: We're going to get to that one second here, but
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Speaker 2: we're gonna lead off not with the game. I would
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Speaker 2: because that was kind of a clunker with the charters
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Speaker 2: and the Bears. Bot To me, I thought the story
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Speaker 2: of the day, the game of the day was the
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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals what they did to the forty nine ers.
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Speaker 2: And if you recall a few weeks ago, I remember
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Speaker 2: we said, man, if the Bengals can get the five
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Speaker 2: hundred and get to the buy, I know, yeah, I know,
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Speaker 2: you can look at this schedule like, I don't know, Man,
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Speaker 2: they come out, they got the Niners and the Bills,
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, hold on, now, if they can just
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Speaker 2: get the five hundred and then you get Burrow rested
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Speaker 2: and healthy and you bring him back, there's no team
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Speaker 2: that they're scared of, like when they're when he's healthy,
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Speaker 2: When that dude's healthy, Like what did he say? The
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Speaker 2: window is my career?
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Speaker 1: Like that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was that was quintessential Joe Burrow right there.
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Speaker 2: He carved them up like a Thanksgiving turkey and that's
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Speaker 2: a good defense.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. He not only carved them up, and he ran
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Speaker 1: around a little bit and made some plays every third
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Speaker 1: down conversion with his legs. You talk about a team
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Speaker 1: that fees off the swag off their quarterback. This is
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Speaker 1: a team that fees off of all that competitive energy
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Speaker 1: that he brings. And for the Bengals, man, there's something
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Speaker 1: about DJ when you have that Championshi leveled experience. Even
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Speaker 1: though they came up short in the Super Bowl, but
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Speaker 1: they played playoff games, they played meaningful games, they knocked
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Speaker 1: off top teams. They're not worried about the Niners and
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Speaker 1: all that other stuff, and they played with it like
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Speaker 1: a team that wasn't worried about the off factor that
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Speaker 1: sometimes the Niners have, because let's be honest, I've been
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Speaker 1: around teams where the niners reputation as a physical team
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Speaker 1: precedes their arrival, and so you talk about it, you're
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Speaker 1: talking about how physical they are. You talk about, hey,
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Speaker 1: we gonna get ready for that. The Bengals didn't seem
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Speaker 1: bothered by that at all. And you know, their defense,
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Speaker 1: lou Ana Romo continues to do a great job of
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Speaker 1: getting it done. And early in the year you talked
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Speaker 1: about them getting the five hundred because of Joe Burrow's injuries.
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Speaker 1: I thought they just needed to kind of wait for
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Speaker 1: the young guys to kind of assimilate into his scheme. Remember,
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Speaker 1: they lost three starters, Eli Apple, von Bell Jesse Bates
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Speaker 1: in the secondary. So sixty percent of your secondary. Because
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Speaker 1: I'm saying they play a Niffl front, they're gone. So
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Speaker 1: you got these young guys coming in, Daxie, these other
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Speaker 1: guys coming in, and it took them a while to
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Speaker 1: settle in. But now they're settling in and they're beginning
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Speaker 1: to play this type of defense that we've seen for
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Speaker 1: years from the Bengals.
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Speaker 2: They're really good at linebacker. Hendrickson is playing elite, elite
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Speaker 2: level coming off the edge. Here's my question. I was
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Speaker 2: just thinking about this and I know the Miami Dolphin,
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Speaker 2: the high flying Miami Dolphins. I'll phrase it to you
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Speaker 2: this way. Is there a team that has that can
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Speaker 2: cause more problems with the different things they can do offensively?
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Speaker 2: Because Joe, Joe's gonna run more than Tua. You saw
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Speaker 2: that with Joe healthy. I mean he had third and
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Speaker 2: nine early in the game. Whu Fungu's got a clean
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Speaker 2: run on him, He just makes a miss and picks
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Speaker 2: up a first down. So he had three of those runs, No,
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Speaker 2: I think four ended up in first on, a second nine,
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Speaker 2: a second six, a second one. And you add that element,
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Speaker 2: plus you've got the screen game you've got three like
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Speaker 2: Miami's got the two dudes, They've got three dudes that
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Speaker 2: they can get going in the passing game. So you
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Speaker 2: got the screen game, you got that. You've got a
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Speaker 2: quarterback you can move the pocket, he can run. I
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Speaker 2: feel like they is there a team that gives you
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Speaker 2: more to warry about, is what I'm getting at than
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Speaker 2: what they do.
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Speaker 1: They can do a lot of things in DJ you
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Speaker 1: talked about all the stuff and they haven't even got
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Speaker 1: Joe Mixon really going. You a flashes and glimpses of it.
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Speaker 1: But they still have the power running game if they
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Speaker 1: want to lean back into it. And as Zach Taylor
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Speaker 1: kind of continues to find the identity of this team
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Speaker 1: or re establish the identity's team, You're right, there's so
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Speaker 1: multiple on the offense, they can create a bunch of problems.
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Speaker 1: But to me, their secret sauce in winning is their defense.
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Speaker 1: As much as they can do offensively, the multiplicity of
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Speaker 1: what they do offensively, they do the same thing on defense.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they are a sound defense. They can change
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Speaker 1: the picture. They can go from cover zero to regular
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Speaker 1: traditional zones to zone dog into man blitzing. They can
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Speaker 1: do all those things. They have it all in the package,
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Speaker 1: and so it is a team that they're in a
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Speaker 1: tough division. But if they kind of find their way
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Speaker 1: into the tournament, not a lot of teams want to
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Speaker 1: see that. That's that you want to be on your
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Speaker 1: line like, oh, that's right. We have the Bengals. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: too much experience. That was a wake up call.
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Speaker 2: And they got the Bills next, So that'll be a
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Speaker 2: big one, A big, big matchup between the Bengals and
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Speaker 2: the Bills. Always good when those teams get together. How
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Speaker 2: about how about the other side though, the Niners. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this is three in a row now, and the brock
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Speaker 2: Purty stuff, that noise, that chatter is getting a little louder.
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Speaker 2: Just your take on that one. It is getting a
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Speaker 2: little louder.
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Speaker 1: And for the first time, I can see it impacting
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Speaker 1: brock Purty. I feel like he's playing outside of himself
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Speaker 1: a little bit. I happen to catch like the second
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Speaker 1: half at the airport and I'm looking at him throw
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Speaker 1: interceptions on back to back plays, and I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: like bad interceptions, like where you're like bright, you don't
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Speaker 1: need to force it, Like what are we doing? Like
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Speaker 1: you've been so good for so long because you know
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Speaker 1: your game, you know where that dead line is in
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Speaker 1: terms of like my risk taking. I can go to
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Speaker 1: this and I feel like he's trying to do too much.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know why he's trying to do too much.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, like I see everyone,
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Speaker 1: hears everything. Is he trying to prove the people that
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Speaker 1: he's a franchise guy's opposed to keep playing. But he's
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Speaker 1: turned the ball over more in the last three games
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Speaker 1: than we've ever seen him. I mean, DJ, he's turning
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Speaker 1: it over. And that's the one thing that we used
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Speaker 1: to appreciate about him. He took care of it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: whether you called him a game manager or those things,
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Speaker 1: he took care of the ball. And so that's that's
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Speaker 1: I mean, that was something that was very appealing about
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Speaker 1: him being the starting quarterback.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Bill just put it in the chat.
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Speaker 2: There are three touchdowns, five picks in the last three games.
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Speaker 2: I would just say, you know, and Buck, you've got
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Speaker 2: the track background, so you know you talk about a
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Speaker 2: negative split, right, you know you're going to run that.
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Speaker 2: If you're running eight hundred, that second lap faster than
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Speaker 2: the first. They're not a negative split team, they have
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Speaker 2: to get out to a big lead and then any
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Speaker 2: kind of cruise on that second lap. They're not built
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Speaker 2: to play from behind, man.
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Speaker 1: No, they're not built to play from behind because their
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Speaker 1: passing game is all play action passing. And so when
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Speaker 1: you're behind, and if you're behind by a significant margin
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Speaker 1: and maybe a touchdown or more, when now I'm ignoring
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Speaker 1: to run, you're not going to run your way back
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Speaker 1: into the game with seventeen minutes left, like, oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: it takes too long for you to score points running
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Speaker 1: and running and running. We're ignoring this. So now we're
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Speaker 1: sitting back and DJ. One of the reasons why we
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Speaker 1: talked about Kyle Shanahan being the quarterback risper is because
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Speaker 1: his things were so easy for the quarterback to the cipher. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's really easy to make these two and three man
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Speaker 1: routes available to the quarterback when you're play action faking everything.
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Speaker 1: So now the linebackers up there these huge voids from
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Speaker 1: five to fifteen yards where these guys can sit down
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Speaker 1: in space. When you take the running game out of
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Speaker 1: it and guys are playing coverage, they they have more
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Speaker 1: guys and coverage than you have available in the options
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Speaker 1: of the route and without moving the second level with playfas.
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Speaker 1: Now you got to make tight win the throws, and
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Speaker 1: we saw rock Purdy doesn't have the arm talent to
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Speaker 1: make the throws that Mahomes and Josh Allen and some
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Speaker 1: of these elite talents can make from the quarterback spot.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, look, I think, look he did some
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Speaker 2: good things at the end, and talk about them not
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Speaker 2: being a team really to play from behind. He made
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Speaker 2: some nice throws and kind of extending plays and moving
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Speaker 2: the pocket. And look, they get Trent Williams back, they
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Speaker 2: get Debo back, they'll be better. So I mean, I'm
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Speaker 2: not saying this is the end for brock Perty. It's
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Speaker 2: just it's a little bit of a hiccup, which is
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Speaker 2: to be expected. This game is hard, this league's good.
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Speaker 2: You're not going to have a smooth ride all the
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Speaker 2: way through. He had had a smooth ride for a
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Speaker 2: long time and now he's got some adversity. But you know,
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Speaker 2: the thing about him is we might wonder about the
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Speaker 2: elite high end traits, but there's no wonder or worry
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Speaker 2: about the makeup and the resolve with him. Like he'll
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Speaker 2: he'll get going he'll bounce back, and that's a really
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Speaker 2: good Bengals team coming off of a bye. So I
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Speaker 2: don't want to get too carried away with that one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think all quarterbacks have to go through this,
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Speaker 1: and DJ, I mean have many games. He's into his tenure,
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Speaker 1: he's still to have a full sixteen or seventeen game starter.
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Speaker 1: Like when the film starts circulating around the league and
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Speaker 1: you have to begin to deal with some of the
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Speaker 1: adaptations and some of the changes that these teams will make,
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Speaker 1: that's when you really get a chance to see. Now
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Speaker 1: we'll have an opportunity to see how does he counter
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Speaker 1: to the counters, meaning how does he adapt to the
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Speaker 1: tatics that he's getting that people are using to take
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Speaker 1: away the things that he's been good at for so long.
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Speaker 1: As a starter for the Niners, how he bounces back
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Speaker 1: and responds will ultimately determine whether the Niners can get
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Speaker 1: back to playing at a high level. I expect him
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Speaker 1: to get back to that. He and his coach, they'll
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Speaker 1: figure out what team's doing. But it's a lot of
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Speaker 1: stuff that's going on. They got to do a better
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Speaker 1: job of You talked about their recipe playing from in
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Speaker 1: front Shanahan is more pressure those openers, those scripts. They
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Speaker 1: got to figure out how it went get severst quarterly.
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Speaker 1: And it's funny because going back to my time when
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Speaker 1: I was playing against his dad's Denver Broncos teams, we
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Speaker 1: always said they played to get fourteen points in the
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Speaker 1: first quarter because when they were hit they had Greg
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Speaker 1: Robinson doing wacky stuff on defense. But that's how they
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Speaker 1: won games. They always played from in front. And so
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Speaker 1: it's a great observation by you, And it was a
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Speaker 1: reminded me like, oh yeah, Like that's kind of the
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Speaker 1: base of the Shanahan system. Get up early so they
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Speaker 1: can run it when they want to. And people said
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Speaker 1: it about Koa, people said it about Kubiak.
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Speaker 2: With the with the Texans when he was there, as
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Speaker 2: obviously Kubiak played for Mike Shanahan. It's that that offense,
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Speaker 2: and that was the same that was kind of his thing. Man,
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Speaker 2: if they get on you like they can, you got
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Speaker 2: Shops play action and now you're they're gonna wear you.
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Speaker 1: Those dudes. Now you're gearing up for the running game.
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Speaker 1: So now when Shop throws it, they're they're throwing explosive plays,
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Speaker 1: stretching the lead out as opposed to trying to gain ground.
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Speaker 2: Great, by the way, is that the comp for brock
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Speaker 2: perty might be they m I've never thought I know
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Speaker 2: even this. Literally, I just came. I'm just taking a
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Speaker 2: lot a loud here. A Matt Shop put up some
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Speaker 2: big numbers in that Houston offense. Andre Johnson company.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like physically they're not the same, but that's a
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Speaker 1: great observation. Uh. He was a perfect point guard for
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Speaker 1: what they had. They had everybody man who was the
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Speaker 1: big receiver they had, was it Kevin Walter? It went
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Speaker 1: opposite yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the big, big white dude
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Speaker 1: right yeah to the big wide receivers had tight ends
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Speaker 1: Galoord and they would come in there Own Daniels and
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Speaker 1: all those guys and the play action passing game and
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Speaker 1: Aaron Foster running for a bunch of yards. That's a
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Speaker 1: good observation because they did have all the weapons around
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Speaker 1: Matt Shop and Matt Shop was going for a million yards.
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Speaker 1: I think it was a two time pro bowler in Houston.
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Speaker 2: Rod Perdy went back when four thousand yards was the number.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and brock Perdy could could be on a
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Speaker 1: similar plight, even though their games aren't the same. But yes,
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Speaker 1: they're very very similar in terms of style of play,
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Speaker 1: in what you did in terms of managing them and
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Speaker 1: managing how they were able to have success.
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Speaker 2: All right, how about the game you were at Jags? Man,
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Speaker 2: it's another big win. The Jags are rolling man twenty
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Speaker 2: to ten over the Steelers on the road.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, DJ, this is funny. So like for me, and
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Speaker 1: you know, when you're close to a team, like you
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Speaker 1: kind of learned the ins and outs the end and
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Speaker 1: working of the team. And the funny thing for me is,
11:50
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of coaches and personnel guys,
11:53
Speaker 1: we all struggle with this preseason expectations versus regular season realities.
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Speaker 1: So this season expectation, this team was gonna be a
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Speaker 1: lighted up offense. Hey man, they're gonna put forty burgers
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Speaker 1: on everybody. Who's gonna stop Calvin Ridley and Christian Kirk
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Speaker 1: and Evan Ingram and this stuff. And that was the
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Speaker 1: expectation the first two or three games. But when they
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Speaker 1: stumbled out the gate offensively trying to find that identity,
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Speaker 1: couldn't get it going. Had to start running the ball
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Speaker 1: with Travis atty end a funny thing happened the defense
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Speaker 1: started playing well. This defense leads the league in takeaways.
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Speaker 1: They have eighteen takeaways. Eighteen takeaways, and it's a continuation
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Speaker 1: of what they did last year. Like last year they
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Speaker 1: lived off the takeaways at the end. The other thing
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Speaker 1: outside of takeaways, the toughness and the tenasty that this
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Speaker 1: team is suddenly showing. It's kind of their identity. So
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Speaker 1: part of the reason, and I'll say this, they haven't
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Speaker 1: told me this directly, but it's the sense that it
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Speaker 1: got being around it. Part of the reason they took
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Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker at number one overall, when you look at
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars playing on early downs, they play a five
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Speaker 1: man front. It's kind of like a hybrid bear defense, right,
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Speaker 1: So they have Trayvon Walker and Josh Allen lined out wide,
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Speaker 1: but they're kind of in that wide nine, but in
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Speaker 1: an upright stance looking in. One of the reasons why
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Speaker 1: they wanted Trayvon Walker is they wanted him to absolutely
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Speaker 1: beat up tight ends and beat up the edge defenders
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Speaker 1: so they could eliminate the running game. So a lot
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Speaker 1: of our focus at number one is always like odd sacks.
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Speaker 1: They don't give up yards on the ground. DJ I
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Speaker 1: think the still has had maybe seventy yards or whatever
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Speaker 1: they had on it. It was nothing. And so what
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Speaker 1: they're able to do is they able to stop the run.
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Speaker 1: They fortunately to a one dimensional game plan, and then
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Speaker 1: they're playing zone and coverage and getting tips and overthrows
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Speaker 1: and all those other things and they're catching them. And
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Speaker 1: so this team has become kind of a team that
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Speaker 1: embraces the bully ball persona, the mentality, and then it's
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Speaker 1: kind of filtering into their defense because when I talk
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Speaker 1: to the O line after the game, they talked about,
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Speaker 1: we're not going to a let opponents bully us. Like
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Speaker 1: when people talk about all we're gonna bully. The physicality
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Speaker 1: thing is never going to be in question. And so
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Speaker 1: a team that was expected in my mind to be
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Speaker 1: a little more finesse has become far more physical and
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Speaker 1: far more complimentary in their style in terms of how
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Speaker 1: they win games. They are a complimentary football team, with
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Speaker 1: the defense setting up the offense and the special team
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Speaker 1: setting up both faces the facets to win games.
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Speaker 2: I'm curious on just like to get off the bus
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Speaker 2: factor obviously, Trayvon Walker, Josh Allen, both six or five
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Speaker 2: big dudes, secondary big guys. You feel like every week.
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Speaker 2: You know, we go down there, you're on the field,
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Speaker 2: so you see it in Warmost every week. The Jaguars
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Speaker 2: just look like a big team compared to other people
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Speaker 2: you're looking at every week.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, the front, the front seven, the front seven looks
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Speaker 1: like DJ And look, I would give Trimbalky credit for
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Speaker 1: this if you think back to those old forty nine
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Speaker 1: ers teams when he and Harbor were there. Remember they
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Speaker 1: look get off the bus justin I mean, I mean
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Speaker 1: Willis And it's a continuation of like Bill Parcells and
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Speaker 1: Nick Saban, they've all said this, like there's a reason
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Speaker 1: why they're weight classes in boxing. And if you have
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Speaker 1: a big, physical team, the cumultive effect of them, those
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Speaker 1: guys beating on you down, down, up to down, they
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Speaker 1: wear out those smaller teams. And they do that the
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Speaker 1: one aspect where they can increase the size in the
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Speaker 1: secondary because you have Tyson Campbell, Andre Cisco now is huge,
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Speaker 1: Ray Shewon Jenkins, you know he's a bigger. Yeah, So
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Speaker 1: they have that where they're putting it in place. But
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Speaker 1: you're right, they look the part. And because they look
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Speaker 1: the part, they're embracing a little more of the physicality.
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Speaker 1: The grittiness to grime me grind it out nature. And
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Speaker 1: it's surprising because offensively, you would think that there would
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Speaker 1: be a finest team with all the receivers and playmakers,
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Speaker 1: but they're beginning to kind of have that style on
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Speaker 1: the offense to match what they do on defense.
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Speaker 2: I take away on the stealers from what you saw
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Speaker 2: from them, the margin.
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Speaker 1: For area is so small for the still is because
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Speaker 1: their offense they can't score, and so what it does
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Speaker 1: is it puts a lot of pressure on their defense
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Speaker 1: to not necessarily have to play a perfect game. But
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Speaker 1: it's funny because Doug Peterson told me this. I think
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Speaker 1: the Steelers when they hold opponents under twenty two points,
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Speaker 1: they might be like twenty five and five or some
16:18
Speaker 1: ridiculous number, but DJ you know, in the National Football League,
16:21
Speaker 1: like that's holding people. It's hard, and so they just
16:26
Speaker 1: don't have the wiggle room where they can't they can't
16:29
Speaker 1: have a stinker game on defense. They have to play
16:32
Speaker 1: at an a level all the time because they just
16:34
Speaker 1: can't generate points. Kenny Pikett went out the game at
16:37
Speaker 1: the end of the first alb met mister Bisky had
16:39
Speaker 1: to come in and they just couldn't utilize their weapons.
16:43
Speaker 1: George Pickens is real. He only had one catch up.
16:45
Speaker 1: I mean he's he looks apart. He did a great
16:47
Speaker 1: warm up routine. Watching him now, just watching him like,
16:51
Speaker 1: I love how meticulous he was. He just didn't get
16:53
Speaker 1: many opportunities. But the one that he did, he catches it,
16:56
Speaker 1: hurdles the defender goes and scores. They just have to
16:59
Speaker 1: figure out a way to make their top players, George Pickens,
17:02
Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson, whoever they decide is a guy in the backfield,
17:05
Speaker 1: whether it's Nijah, Harris or Warren. They got to make
17:09
Speaker 1: sure that those guys get enough touches to have an
17:11
Speaker 1: impact on the game. That has to be the focal point.
17:13
Speaker 1: I love the plays, but the players need to make
17:16
Speaker 1: sure that they are having a major impact by making
17:18
Speaker 1: sure you get them enough touches.
17:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's it's not an easy watch with their offense,
17:24
Speaker 2: and I know Matt Canada catches a lot of grief.
17:26
Speaker 2: Their pick it got hurt in this game. Trubisky wasn't
17:28
Speaker 2: much better. So we'll see what happens there with the Steelers.
17:31
Speaker 2: I'll go quickly through my game. I was at the
17:33
Speaker 2: Chargers and the Bears game this Sunday night er. It
17:37
Speaker 2: was a game, but the Chargers were in control early,
17:39
Speaker 2: never really relinquished. They had some big stops. On fourth down.
17:43
Speaker 2: Tyson Bagent hit a big throw forty one yards first
17:46
Speaker 2: play the game, and I'm sitting there thinking like, oh,
17:47
Speaker 2: they might they might get going a little bit here
17:50
Speaker 2: with the with the rookie, and then they kind of
17:51
Speaker 2: shut that down.
17:53
Speaker 1: Herbert.
17:54
Speaker 2: They came out chucking at thirty one to forty. He
17:56
Speaker 2: ended up with just under three hundred yards three touchdowns,
17:59
Speaker 2: but gosh, you had like to twenty or something like
18:01
Speaker 2: that in the first half. Austin Eckler finally got back
18:03
Speaker 2: involved in the passing game screen touchdown. He had seven
18:06
Speaker 2: for ninety four, and Quintin Johnston finally got some balls.
18:09
Speaker 2: It's interesting, that will be my takeaway here with Quinton Johnston.
18:13
Speaker 2: A lot has been made about that pick and how
18:15
Speaker 2: he hasn't done anything, and all these other rookie receivers
18:17
Speaker 2: are playing well, and I it's not I'm on record,
18:21
Speaker 2: you know, or my wise. My thoughts were on Jordan
18:23
Speaker 2: Addison and some of those other guys.
18:25
Speaker 1: But.
18:27
Speaker 2: They got to figure how to use him. And I
18:29
Speaker 2: think sometimes you can be typecast because your body type.
18:32
Speaker 2: Like you look at him, he must be a fifty
18:34
Speaker 2: to fifty guy, like he's That's not who he is.
18:37
Speaker 2: He is a slant run after catch, pitch him, get
18:40
Speaker 2: him a quick hitter. Or he is an over the
18:42
Speaker 2: top home run ball I'm talking posts, goes deep overs
18:45
Speaker 2: like that's that's his game. Fifty to fifty balls. They
18:48
Speaker 2: throw him one in this one. It didn't come down
18:50
Speaker 2: with it. He hasn't really come down with those this year,
18:52
Speaker 2: but he's caught some back shoulders things like that. Sometimes
18:56
Speaker 2: I think it's an adjustment not just for the player.
18:59
Speaker 2: Sometimes I think it's an adjustment for the staff of
19:02
Speaker 2: kind of learning the player and what he is and
19:04
Speaker 2: he can't go off type cast of just what they
19:06
Speaker 2: look like.
19:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good observation. DJ. When you go back
19:09
Speaker 1: in his background, I think he was a big time
19:11
Speaker 1: high jumper. So part of the reason that you may
19:15
Speaker 1: assume that if you're coaching, you said in those meetings
19:18
Speaker 1: and all you heard the scouts talk about was, oh,
19:21
Speaker 1: this is a great athlete. He got this track and
19:23
Speaker 1: field background, he's this great leaper. So naturally your mind is, oh, well,
19:27
Speaker 1: we're gonna put him in one on one situations. We're
19:30
Speaker 1: gonna let him go get the ball off the top
19:32
Speaker 1: of the back. For what he's gonna make all these plays.
19:33
Speaker 1: He's going to expand the strikes on for Herbert. But
19:35
Speaker 1: then what you're saying is really what he was, how
19:38
Speaker 1: he's utilized at TCU. They utilized him coming across the
19:41
Speaker 1: field horizontally on those short crosses, and he's gone. They
19:47
Speaker 1: have to figure out within their offensive way to really
19:50
Speaker 1: unlock him. I think that's the hardest thing about the
19:53
Speaker 1: play call. It is not only do you have this
19:55
Speaker 1: secret the series of plays that you like, but you
19:58
Speaker 1: have to kind of tailor it to some of the
20:00
Speaker 1: personnel that you have, and you have to be able
20:02
Speaker 1: to put them in the right spots to run the
20:04
Speaker 1: routes that are best for them while also staying within
20:07
Speaker 1: the framework of what you want to do offensively.
20:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll say this that Bears team is not talented.
20:13
Speaker 2: I mean they are ten players away from being ten
20:18
Speaker 2: players away. I mean they have a lot. They have
20:20
Speaker 2: not a lot going on there. They're not good on
20:22
Speaker 2: the offensive line, they're not good on the defensive line.
20:24
Speaker 2: DJ Moore's a stud like he's that that's their guy.
20:28
Speaker 2: But I mean, this is not a quarterback away. You know,
20:31
Speaker 2: obviously they're going to be in a position more than
20:33
Speaker 2: likely with their pick as well as owning the Panthers pick,
20:36
Speaker 2: they're going to have a chance to, you know, to
20:38
Speaker 2: go in that direction if they want to move on
20:39
Speaker 2: from Justin Fieldsman, man, they got they got a major
20:41
Speaker 2: work to do on this roster.
20:43
Speaker 1: And I know we're up against a bit, but quickly,
20:46
Speaker 1: is there anything This is me asking you without even
20:48
Speaker 1: knowing what the draft class looks like yet, Yeah, you
20:51
Speaker 1: talk about them not being a quarterback away? Is there
20:54
Speaker 1: any way that you could use those two picks on
20:57
Speaker 1: something that's a market position that's not a quarterback? Can
21:00
Speaker 1: you use it on the front?
21:01
Speaker 2: And I think I think one of them have I
21:03
Speaker 2: think you're going to have to commit. You have to
21:05
Speaker 2: commit to a quarterback, and I think you're going to
21:07
Speaker 2: have to take one of them. My thing everybody talks about, oh,
21:09
Speaker 2: the perfect draft for them is they're going to get
21:12
Speaker 2: the quarterback and then Marvin Harrison or you know, the quarterback,
21:14
Speaker 2: and then Fashanu. I'm like, no, no, no, it's the quarterback
21:17
Speaker 2: and then trade whatever that other pick is. You got
21:19
Speaker 2: to amass a bunch of picks. That's got to be
21:22
Speaker 2: a lottery ticket. Hopefully you have two top five picks.
21:24
Speaker 2: The first one you get the quarterback, the second one
21:26
Speaker 2: you auction that thing off to the highest bidder. You
21:28
Speaker 2: need a lot of help.
21:29
Speaker 1: Okay, we need, we need a Thanksgiving Day trade. Yes,
21:33
Speaker 1: we need. We need a turkey to become turkey sandwiches.
21:36
Speaker 1: Do we need to get turkey? Stu? We need to
21:39
Speaker 1: just we need we just need to keep chopping it
21:41
Speaker 1: up so it becomes a five day meal as opposed
21:44
Speaker 1: to just a holiday meal.
21:46
Speaker 2: All right, let's get one more game in before we
21:48
Speaker 2: take a quick break. Titans Falcons. How about Will Levis
21:52
Speaker 2: man nineteen to twenty nine, two thirty eight, four touchdowns. Uh,
21:56
Speaker 2: I mean he was three of the four touchdowns over
21:58
Speaker 2: thirty yards. They were home run balls. And I do
22:00
Speaker 2: want to give us a little bit of credit here
22:03
Speaker 2: because I believe it was last week where we lobbied
22:05
Speaker 2: and said, just let Will Levis play, Like, let's let's
22:09
Speaker 2: go just put him out there and let's see what happens.
22:11
Speaker 2: We know what Tannehill is. I thought it was with
22:15
Speaker 2: a little bit that we had had a chance to
22:18
Speaker 2: see with Malik. I thought, Okay, Malik's that's that's further away.
22:22
Speaker 2: Will Levis has experience, He's played an NFL offense. He
22:25
Speaker 2: arrived kind of ready to go. Get him out there
22:28
Speaker 2: and see what you have. Man, this is a great lesson.
22:30
Speaker 1: And here's I want to make sure everyone hears me,
22:33
Speaker 1: because it's not about issuing an apology to Will Levis.
22:36
Speaker 1: I think sometimes what happens DJ when we do so
22:38
Speaker 1: many different shows, whether it's podcast or TV shows where
22:40
Speaker 1: we're talking about Will Levis and we're talking about the draft,
22:43
Speaker 1: and we're talking about who should be in the top
22:45
Speaker 1: ten pick and those things, sometimes opinions can make it
22:48
Speaker 1: where you hate the player. Not I never necessarily hated
22:52
Speaker 1: Will Loves. I think what it was is you're trying to.
22:55
Speaker 2: Forget anybody first of all, ever, no, but.
22:57
Speaker 1: You're trying to figure out fit in the scheme is
23:00
Speaker 1: the most important thing for most players, but particularly quarterbacks.
23:03
Speaker 1: And I can say this now, particularly after seeing how
23:06
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans use them. It's the perfect fit for
23:09
Speaker 1: their scheme. By putting Will Levis in a run heavy
23:12
Speaker 1: scheme with King Henry behind him. You now have allowed
23:15
Speaker 1: him to use play action, to use RPOs, to use
23:19
Speaker 1: things that are in his wheelhouse as opposed to a
23:22
Speaker 1: will We will have you drop back thirty five times
23:24
Speaker 1: and do traditional concept reading and those things you saw
23:29
Speaker 1: how it works, those explosive plays being able to come
23:32
Speaker 1: in a run heavy offense. I mean we see DeAndre
23:34
Speaker 1: Hopkins utilized and featured in an offense. Well, yeah, that's
23:38
Speaker 1: what you want to see. That's why you get a
23:39
Speaker 1: veteran receiver. Will Levis played really well. And here's the thing.
23:44
Speaker 1: He left a lot of money on the table. I mean,
23:47
Speaker 1: like when he learns to utilize to check down and
23:49
Speaker 1: some of the other things that are available within the concept,
23:52
Speaker 1: he can become a more efficient player, and his efficiency
23:55
Speaker 1: will make this offense more effective. But hats off to him,
23:58
Speaker 1: and I'll say this from a personal standpoint watching him
24:00
Speaker 1: after the game celebrate with his family. A lot of
24:04
Speaker 1: times I tell people, like when we're talking about draft picks,
24:06
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a soap opera, but with real
24:09
Speaker 1: life characters. I love seeing the joy that he had
24:12
Speaker 1: and he talked about a dream come true. Man, everybody
24:16
Speaker 1: wishes for that kind of moment for their kid to
24:19
Speaker 1: like realize whatever their dream is, to see it come
24:22
Speaker 1: to fruition. So hass off to him for being able
24:24
Speaker 1: to live it out in front of his family doing
24:26
Speaker 1: his regular season debut for the Sennessee Titans. Yeah.
24:29
Speaker 2: And I didn't, you know, I didn't see the game.
24:32
Speaker 2: Just watched some of the clips and watch some cutups.
24:34
Speaker 2: But and I did see in the press clippings afterwards
24:37
Speaker 2: that I guess they had. They must have booed Milik
24:40
Speaker 2: Willis when he came on the field, and he addressed
24:43
Speaker 2: it without being asked about it. He addressed it after
24:45
Speaker 2: the game and said, hey, that's loved that.
24:47
Speaker 1: I loved that.
24:47
Speaker 2: It was a good sign. Yeah, I loved it because
24:50
Speaker 2: first guy.
24:51
Speaker 1: The leadership stuff, and see that's also a big part
24:53
Speaker 1: of the position, huge part of the position, the in tangent.
24:57
Speaker 1: I loved everything about that. Man, if you're the Tennessee Tes,
25:00
Speaker 1: you gotta be excited. The trick will be how does
25:03
Speaker 1: he look next week? They o the people who have
25:04
Speaker 1: seen him play, how does he keep adjusting to what
25:07
Speaker 1: people do to adjust to him? But man, nice star
25:10
Speaker 1: for him.
25:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean buck, I went back and look at him.
25:13
Speaker 2: My twelfth player in that draft. So I mean he
25:15
Speaker 2: slips the second round, he got unfairly punished, you know,
25:18
Speaker 2: going through that process of my opinion. And and look,
25:22
Speaker 2: I know we saw the video of him in the
25:25
Speaker 2: draft and how upset he looked. But man, we've seen
25:28
Speaker 2: so many guys channel that and use that. And this
25:31
Speaker 2: is the thing where man, given the choice, I sure
25:34
Speaker 2: as heck would rather be the top couple of picks
25:37
Speaker 2: of the second round than to be one of the
25:38
Speaker 2: bottom picks of the first round. He's going to get
25:40
Speaker 2: a year earlier to his next contract. And if he plays,
25:43
Speaker 2: if this is one game, if this is what we're
25:45
Speaker 2: in for, man, he's going to be thinking his lucky
25:48
Speaker 2: stars that he fell to the second round because he's
25:50
Speaker 2: gonna get a heck of a lot more money, a
25:51
Speaker 2: heck of a lot faster.
25:52
Speaker 1: And not only that, he went to a good team.
25:54
Speaker 1: He went to a pretty good.
25:54
Speaker 2: Team, like a good organization, a good organization with a
25:57
Speaker 2: good coach.
25:58
Speaker 1: And yeah, to infrastrate the organization, Ran Carthon, being their
26:02
Speaker 1: general manager, did make sure that he's protected and he's right.
26:05
Speaker 1: It's really good to see. And also hass off to
26:07
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel. Mike Robot didn't get the sense that mcleigh
26:09
Speaker 1: Willis was going to be the guy. So a year
26:12
Speaker 1: after taking a quarterback in the third round, they go
26:13
Speaker 1: back and take one in the second round. YEP, looks
26:16
Speaker 1: like Mike Mike Rabel might have been right with his
26:19
Speaker 1: hunches and suspicions.
26:20
Speaker 2: Uh, take on the Falcons. We thought this was coming
26:24
Speaker 2: for the last few weeks. Desmond Ritter ends up getting benched.
26:27
Speaker 2: Heinike comes in there, he goes twelve to twenty one,
26:29
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy five yards on a touchdown. But
26:31
Speaker 2: at least he kind of run around makes some things
26:33
Speaker 2: happen back there.
26:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, so desmiond Ritter gets deemed up a little bit,
26:37
Speaker 1: gets a little concussion protocol, But it might have he
26:42
Speaker 1: mainly given Arthur Smith an opportunity to put the other
26:45
Speaker 1: guy in there without having to formally bench Desmond Ritter.
26:49
Speaker 1: So we'll see what it looks like. But yeah, like Heinick.
26:52
Speaker 2: I didn't even know about the concussion, so I hadn't
26:54
Speaker 2: seen that. So that was news to me because I
26:56
Speaker 2: just was paying attention to the game. I yes side
26:57
Speaker 2: and saw the get out.
26:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, he got banged up with what every but hey, DJ,
27:01
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where we've seen it, like
27:03
Speaker 1: sometimes we've all been on the teams and so a
27:05
Speaker 1: guy gets banged up. You ready to go back into
27:06
Speaker 1: the coach the Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, oh,
27:09
Speaker 1: let's see what it looks like. Yeah right, yeah, real quick.
27:13
Speaker 1: And so it might have been that situation. Uh Man,
27:17
Speaker 1: the Falcons and you're author Smith. It has to be frustrating, because, man,
27:20
Speaker 1: this is a division that.
27:21
Speaker 2: Is there for the right, there for him.
27:23
Speaker 1: Man, you can take you can take the division if
27:25
Speaker 1: you just get efficient and consistent play from that position.
27:29
Speaker 1: We'll see how this plays out. But it did open
27:31
Speaker 1: the door for Tyla Hannick. You did maybe take over
27:32
Speaker 1: at QB.
27:33
Speaker 2: One row, no doubt. All right, we're gonna take a
27:35
Speaker 2: quick break. We'll come back. We'll knock out some more games.
27:37
Speaker 1: Rare for this, all right, buck.
27:43
Speaker 2: A battle of the two the top two quarterbacks in
27:46
Speaker 2: the drafted Bryce Young against CJ. Stroud. It was not
27:49
Speaker 2: a pretty offensive game. It's a fifteen to thirteen win
27:52
Speaker 2: for the Panthers. They get their first win of the year.
27:55
Speaker 2: Bryce twenty two to thirty one, five on a touchdown.
27:59
Speaker 2: This is a team that wasn't able really to run
28:02
Speaker 2: the ball much in this game. They had forty four
28:04
Speaker 2: rushing yards, so there wasn't a lot other than Bryce
28:08
Speaker 2: and I think what we've said, hey, be patient with him.
28:11
Speaker 2: There's nothing around him. He's getting better every single week.
28:15
Speaker 2: And they finally find their way to the winner circle.
28:17
Speaker 2: They get a game winning field goal as time expired.
28:20
Speaker 2: Adam Thielen is kind of you know, that's been his guy.
28:22
Speaker 2: Adam thlan has been somebody that he trusts, and he
28:25
Speaker 2: has eight grabs in this game.
28:26
Speaker 1: C J. Stroud.
28:27
Speaker 2: I mean, there wasn't a lot of offense to go
28:29
Speaker 2: around one hundred and forty yards. They just couldn't really
28:32
Speaker 2: get anything going. I mean their defensive front beat up Bryce.
28:36
Speaker 2: He had six sacks in that game. But you know, look,
28:40
Speaker 2: I the takeaways to me, there aren't great takeaways from
28:43
Speaker 2: this game. I think both these teams are in their
28:44
Speaker 2: kind of infancy of where they're going to be and
28:46
Speaker 2: what they're going to do. I think the biggest takeaway
28:48
Speaker 2: from me is that Bryce Young has has shown to
28:50
Speaker 2: be tough, somebody who always played on the best team,
28:53
Speaker 2: you know, going back to high school and then at Alabama,
28:56
Speaker 2: he always had superior players. You don't know how those
28:59
Speaker 2: guys are going to do when they don't have anything
29:01
Speaker 2: else around him. And I'll tell you this, he's getting
29:03
Speaker 2: better and he's competing and he's fighting, which is good
29:05
Speaker 2: to see.
29:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's fighting. So he has the right stuff when
29:07
Speaker 1: it comes to the makeup, and everyone who knows him
29:11
Speaker 1: has been around him since, is that he was made
29:12
Speaker 1: of the right stuff. The way he carries himself, the
29:14
Speaker 1: way he cared himself at Alabama and before that, the
29:16
Speaker 1: way he cared himself in modern day high school. Our
29:19
Speaker 1: way what you like about this? Thomas Brown takes over
29:22
Speaker 1: as a play caller, and it was pretty clear that
29:24
Speaker 1: he was going to make it about the players. And
29:26
Speaker 1: it's funny you pointed out Adam Thielen being his guy DJ.
29:30
Speaker 1: One of the reasons why we've talked about this on
29:32
Speaker 1: the podcast, when you have a young quarterback, I want
29:35
Speaker 1: to pay him with a veteran receiver. You've always said
29:39
Speaker 1: that because one of the things that happens with young
29:42
Speaker 1: quarterbacks is they're being asked to throw the ball to
29:44
Speaker 1: the spots before people get open, and they've never really
29:48
Speaker 1: done that in their life. They've never just thrown it
29:50
Speaker 1: and say oh, I'm a trust it. Well, when you
29:52
Speaker 1: have veteran receivers, they're going to get to the spot.
29:55
Speaker 1: They're gonna be consistent, reliable, dependable when it comes to hey, man,
29:59
Speaker 1: you can throw it in here, I'm gonna be there.
30:01
Speaker 1: We saw Josh Allen game improved with Stefan Diggs. We've
30:04
Speaker 1: seen others improve. We saw Dak Prescott have success when
30:07
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper came over. There is something about that old
30:10
Speaker 1: veteran receiver that allows a young quarterback to mature. We
30:14
Speaker 1: saw Adam Thielen really really helped Brice Young have a
30:17
Speaker 1: lot of success. Uh this weekend, I'll.
30:19
Speaker 2: Use an analogy that'll that'll show our age, Buck is
30:23
Speaker 2: that it's like when we were growing up, there was
30:27
Speaker 2: not you know, you didn't really have the cell phones.
30:29
Speaker 2: You didn't have there was no not even map Quest
30:31
Speaker 2: at that point in time. So when you remember when
30:34
Speaker 2: you got your license and it was like like for
30:36
Speaker 2: me growing up out here in San Diego, it's like, hey,
30:39
Speaker 2: we're gonna go to the beach. You get your four friends,
30:41
Speaker 2: you pile on the car, like all right, who's been
30:43
Speaker 2: who knows.
30:43
Speaker 1: How to go?
30:44
Speaker 2: Who knows how to get knows how to get us there,
30:45
Speaker 2: like nobody, like you got to have one person in
30:47
Speaker 2: the car that has been to where we're going or
30:50
Speaker 2: else where. You know, I don't know, it's the roups.
30:52
Speaker 2: I think you take a left to get I think that, yeah,
30:54
Speaker 2: off the and then yeah. So in other words, Adam
30:57
Speaker 2: Thielen's been to the beach, so he can kind of
30:59
Speaker 2: guide him where he needs to go to.
31:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, it helps, It helps, and that old Savay receiver
31:04
Speaker 1: can kind of nurture the young quarterback good Win. Great.
31:07
Speaker 1: Great job for Thomas Brown, I would say even a
31:10
Speaker 1: better move for Frank Wright showing enough humility to hand
31:13
Speaker 1: the play sheet over to somebody else. Hey, you know
31:16
Speaker 1: the quarterback, you run a quarterback. I'll do a better
31:18
Speaker 1: job of managing the team. And it helped this team
31:20
Speaker 1: get their first one.
31:21
Speaker 2: All right, biggest surprise of the week Broncos. They beat
31:24
Speaker 2: the Chiefs twenty four to nine.
31:26
Speaker 1: Mark so many surprises in this game. One you couldn't
31:31
Speaker 1: have told me that a team a defense that had
31:34
Speaker 1: seventy hug up on them with then be able to
31:36
Speaker 1: hold a kin see the Chiefs single digits, Like never
31:39
Speaker 1: would imagine that. I never would have thought that Pat
31:41
Speaker 1: Mahons would have had struggles against this Broncos defense where
31:44
Speaker 1: he turns the ball over a couple of times through
31:46
Speaker 1: the air, never gets this offense going. And then I
31:50
Speaker 1: went defensively, they played well enough to be able to
31:52
Speaker 1: get it done. I mean there were no numbers on
31:55
Speaker 1: the Broncos side that suggested, oh, they were able to dominate.
31:58
Speaker 1: We saw Russell Wilson make a handful of plays, but
31:59
Speaker 1: nothing like that. This can't see the Chiefs offense. What
32:03
Speaker 1: we've talked about is a they're playing complimentary ball. It's
32:05
Speaker 1: a little different. This is the first time though that
32:08
Speaker 1: it caught up with them. They don't have the explosive element,
32:11
Speaker 1: and DJ in this league is so hard to win
32:14
Speaker 1: without explosive plays.
32:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they and you know Kelsey has fifty eight yards.
32:19
Speaker 2: You don't let you don't get hit with the right hand,
32:20
Speaker 2: as we say every week, don't get hit with the
32:23
Speaker 2: right hand. They didn't get hit with the right hand.
32:25
Speaker 2: The left hand couldn't do anything to them. So I
32:27
Speaker 2: mean that's going to be the challenge. That's why, you know,
32:29
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see kind of how this Chiefs team
32:33
Speaker 2: kind of figures it out. Andy's so smart, Mahomes is
32:36
Speaker 2: so good. The defense is you know, is still it's
32:39
Speaker 2: a really good defense. They're going to kind of figure
32:41
Speaker 2: their way out to the winner circle. I think they're
32:43
Speaker 2: a team in my opinion. I think they're still built
32:46
Speaker 2: to pile up a bunch of wins in the regular season.
32:48
Speaker 2: My question is when you get into the postseason and
32:51
Speaker 2: then at that point in time you're going to see
32:52
Speaker 2: the Cincinnatis, You're going to see the Buffalos. You know,
32:55
Speaker 2: you're gonna see the Miamis. Are they going to have
32:57
Speaker 2: enough like are they gonna have enough firepower for those teams?
33:01
Speaker 2: You know, that's my that's my one concern there with
33:03
Speaker 2: the Chiefs.
33:04
Speaker 1: That is a huge concern. And it'd be the first
33:06
Speaker 1: time to Steve Spegnulo for the Chiefs. His unit would
33:09
Speaker 1: be counted on the cantle. They got to count and
33:12
Speaker 1: so he has always been able to play real aggressive,
33:16
Speaker 1: opportunistic defense where it doesn't matter we give up a couple,
33:18
Speaker 1: we're playing for the big play. It changes now when
33:21
Speaker 1: you have an offense that's not as explosive because now
33:24
Speaker 1: you've got to get stops, you have to get three
33:25
Speaker 1: and outs. It's a completely different shift. They've been good
33:29
Speaker 1: enough to this point, but can they be a team
33:32
Speaker 1: that finishes defensively out of holding teams in nineteen points
33:36
Speaker 1: of fewer because your offense can only generate twenty three
33:39
Speaker 1: twenty four points each week. That is something that has
33:42
Speaker 1: never been the culture in Kansas City in the Andy
33:46
Speaker 1: Reid era. This would be him being way outside of
33:49
Speaker 1: his comfort zone if they have to go win games
33:52
Speaker 1: like this.
33:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the numbers weren't, you know, sexy for Russell Wilson,
33:55
Speaker 2: but he did enough twelve to nineteen hundred and fourteen
33:58
Speaker 2: yards and then obviously the three touchdowns were huge. And
34:01
Speaker 2: then you look on the defensive side of the ball,
34:03
Speaker 2: Baron Browning, who's always in our and when we're talking
34:05
Speaker 2: about get off numbers, he's always up there amongst the leaders.
34:09
Speaker 2: He's got excellent quickness and burst. You know, somebody who's
34:11
Speaker 2: played off the ball can also rush off the edge.
34:14
Speaker 2: Was pretty a versatile guy coming out of college and
34:16
Speaker 2: he's really developed into a good player. So two sacks
34:19
Speaker 2: and a force fumble for him. A great win for
34:22
Speaker 2: the Broncos over the Chiefs out there in Denver. All right,
34:25
Speaker 2: next game, this was one that was ugly but yet beautiful.
34:30
Speaker 2: It was the Jets and the Giants in a driving rainstorm.
34:34
Speaker 2: It is a game that the Jets had no business
34:37
Speaker 2: winning with where the game was at the end. They
34:40
Speaker 2: end up winning thirteen to ten, and it was a
34:43
Speaker 2: struggle all day long for offense for both teams. Tyra
34:46
Speaker 2: Taylor gets knocked out, so you've got the Giants who
34:49
Speaker 2: were playing with their third quarterback. The Jets lose two
34:52
Speaker 2: centers in this game, so they're playing with their third center.
34:55
Speaker 2: They've got, you know, obviously Vera Tucker's gone for the year,
34:58
Speaker 2: Tipman's out, Dwayne Brown not playing, The Giants are missing
35:01
Speaker 2: offensive lineman. There was so many things working against offense
35:04
Speaker 2: in this game and two good defenses, so it's a
35:07
Speaker 2: slog until the end. The Jets end up getting a miracle.
35:10
Speaker 2: The Giants missed the field goal. They have what twenty
35:12
Speaker 2: somethings seconds left at the end of the game, twenty
35:15
Speaker 2: four seconds left, and then Zach hits a big throw
35:19
Speaker 2: happens to get an off side penalty on Thibodau, which
35:21
Speaker 2: was the key to the game because you get the
35:22
Speaker 2: big chunk play and the clock stops, you don't have
35:25
Speaker 2: a time out. Then he hits another one where he
35:27
Speaker 2: escapes pressure and they end up getting in field goal
35:30
Speaker 2: range to senate overtime. I'll start with this question. In
35:33
Speaker 2: a game in a monsoon where you've got your third
35:35
Speaker 2: string quarterback, the questionable thing to me, the Giants won
35:39
Speaker 2: the toss, don't you go on defense and try and
35:43
Speaker 2: get a stop and then we just need a field
35:45
Speaker 2: goal then the game's over.
35:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would appear to be that thing sometimes, you know,
35:52
Speaker 1: DJ sometimes, like in the NFL. Is so different because
35:55
Speaker 1: in the NFL, a lot of times offensive guys like
35:57
Speaker 1: to take the ball for whatever reason, they like.
36:00
Speaker 2: To quarterback in a monsoon, I know, with the ball.
36:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, But normally, man, if you operate under dispremise, hey,
36:06
Speaker 1: we're going to defer. In KFC, we're always going to
36:09
Speaker 1: kick from the clock. That's a high school team, right
36:11
Speaker 1: because you want the clock at the end. But for
36:14
Speaker 1: this team, like I mean, yeah, like it in the monsoon,
36:18
Speaker 1: the elements and the conditions that both teams were playing
36:20
Speaker 1: with in terms of injury situation, man, why do not
36:23
Speaker 1: kick it to them? Take advantage of Hey, they go
36:26
Speaker 1: through and out, we get a shorter field. If we score,
36:27
Speaker 1: we win. Game over, like why not take that approach?
36:30
Speaker 1: So it it didn't work out for them, but it's
36:32
Speaker 1: one of those things, another thing that would be second
36:34
Speaker 1: guests for a long time in New York.
36:37
Speaker 2: I won't go along on this front because I actually
36:39
Speaker 2: did a little like five minute video. It's on Instagram
36:41
Speaker 2: and to move the Sticks. You can find it on
36:42
Speaker 2: there on this Zach Wilson thing, because fuck, you know,
36:47
Speaker 2: there's a balance. I actually people replied to that video
36:50
Speaker 2: and said, oh, or Lavsky said something similar. So I
36:52
Speaker 2: actually called Dan and I'm like, dude, I mean, it's
36:55
Speaker 2: crazy to me how much criticism this kid takes. And
36:57
Speaker 2: we both said the same thing. We're not looking to
36:59
Speaker 2: put him in the Hall of Fame. But you had
37:02
Speaker 2: a team with a great defense at years past and
37:04
Speaker 2: you've said, man, if we just had a game manager,
37:07
Speaker 2: just don't turn the ball over. Well that's what he's doing.
37:10
Speaker 2: He's turned He had one pick in the last five games,
37:13
Speaker 2: and be like, oh, he fumbled twice in this game.
37:15
Speaker 1: We had.
37:15
Speaker 2: One of those fumbles was under center with his third
37:17
Speaker 2: center who was on the practice squad as a guard
37:20
Speaker 2: who's now forced into action in a monsoon, So he
37:23
Speaker 2: fumbled a snap. Okay, he had a sack fumble early
37:26
Speaker 2: in the game. I'll put that on him. He should
37:28
Speaker 2: have held onto that ball. That's one fumble on a
37:30
Speaker 2: day where the Giants had negative nine passing yards. He
37:33
Speaker 2: throws for two forty, makes two big throws at the
37:36
Speaker 2: end to set up the field goal. They had several
37:38
Speaker 2: drop passes. He got pressured twenty five times in this game, Buck,
37:43
Speaker 2: I mean, well, to be expected. You've got Dexter Lawrence
37:46
Speaker 2: working against your third stringth center.
37:48
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know.
37:49
Speaker 2: I just thought he showed some toughness, some grit. He
37:52
Speaker 2: hung in there and he gave that team a chance
37:54
Speaker 2: to win. And I think he's gotten better, you know.
37:56
Speaker 2: And I don't think people want to hear that he's
37:58
Speaker 2: an easy target to crush and hate on. I think
38:01
Speaker 2: there's got to be some balance between saying, Okay, maybe
38:04
Speaker 2: the second pick. You know, he hasn't been that obviously,
38:07
Speaker 2: but man, let's acknowledge the kid is tough and he's
38:10
Speaker 2: getting better. I think that's fair.
38:12
Speaker 1: DJ. Do you believe that Zach Wilson makes the strides
38:15
Speaker 1: that he's made this year without Aaron Rodgers being in
38:18
Speaker 1: the field. No, So I think that was huge thing. Yeah,
38:21
Speaker 1: so Aaron Rodgers being able to teach him how to play,
38:24
Speaker 1: being willing to teach him and not throwing or whatever.
38:28
Speaker 1: But I would say game management situation understands situational awareness.
38:33
Speaker 1: Do we think that maybe he executes their horror account
38:36
Speaker 1: without Aaron Rodgers being in his ear telling them, hey man,
38:39
Speaker 1: this might be a chance for us to after big
38:42
Speaker 1: play to get him like so, to me, Aaron Rodgers
38:46
Speaker 1: has been worth his weight in goal despite not really
38:49
Speaker 1: playing for them. He has given Zach Wilson a lot
38:54
Speaker 1: of insight in wisdom that has made him a better player.
38:58
Speaker 1: The toughness that he's displayed, the consistency that he's displayed
39:01
Speaker 1: in terms of just running the offense. I love all
39:04
Speaker 1: of that, and so he deserves a lot of credit
39:06
Speaker 1: for that. I also can't understand why Robert Salad is
39:09
Speaker 1: firmly in Zach Wilson's corner because if this works out,
39:13
Speaker 1: what he does take the baton from Aaron Rodgers this year.
39:18
Speaker 1: Having Aaron Rodgers in the building could help him. I'm
39:21
Speaker 1: not saying he's going to be a great player. We
39:23
Speaker 1: can certainly help him be a very very good player
39:25
Speaker 1: for them in time.
39:26
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree with you. So again, there's a longer
39:29
Speaker 2: video on that if you want to check it out.
39:30
Speaker 2: We've got time for one more game here, Seahawks, Browns Seahawks.
39:35
Speaker 2: They end up coming back. They beat the Browns twenty
39:37
Speaker 2: four to twenty. Gino a couple of touchdowns, couple picks.
39:41
Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker eight for sixty six on the ground, Sharbone
39:44
Speaker 2: fifty three yards rushing, Tyler Lockett eighty one yards and
39:48
Speaker 2: a touchdown in JSN. Who I believe was your selection
39:51
Speaker 2: this week was did you pick him in the rookie
39:52
Speaker 2: draft this week?
39:53
Speaker 1: I think I might have been. I think I might
39:54
Speaker 1: have gone off to grow.
39:55
Speaker 2: I might have picked He got a game winning, game
39:57
Speaker 2: winning nine yard TD. I did not see that game.
40:00
Speaker 1: So I think what's telling about this game is Geno
40:04
Speaker 1: Smith says, Look, this team goes as I go, and
40:06
Speaker 1: I have to understand and take ownership. My play really
40:08
Speaker 1: determines whether we win or lose. I got to play better,
40:11
Speaker 1: and so in spite of the turnovers and those things,
40:13
Speaker 1: when they needed him to come through and make plays,
40:15
Speaker 1: he made plays. This is a team that still wants
40:18
Speaker 1: to be a run oriented team. They weren't able to
40:20
Speaker 1: run the ball to their liking, but they had over
40:22
Speaker 1: one hundred yards. They were able to kind of set
40:24
Speaker 1: up some things by being able to play action and
40:26
Speaker 1: push the ball down the field, and they got the dub.
40:29
Speaker 1: On the other side with the Cleveland Browns being Browns,
40:31
Speaker 1: runs for one hundred and fifty five yards. But the
40:34
Speaker 1: reason why they lose quarterback had three turnovers. Can't turn
40:38
Speaker 1: the ball over. Can't turn the ball over. And I
40:40
Speaker 1: know everyone and their mom they probly know Deshaun Watson
40:43
Speaker 1: is saying, Oh, they're better off with PJ. Walk whatever.
40:46
Speaker 1: What we saw yesterday is, look, that's PJ. Walker's still
40:49
Speaker 1: like he's not going to be able to be a
40:51
Speaker 1: high end quarterback game after game after game. Deshaun Watson
40:54
Speaker 1: hasn't played like that in Cleveland. But at some point,
40:58
Speaker 1: what you're hoping is that he is going to be
41:00
Speaker 1: a guy that is not just the manager that you're
41:02
Speaker 1: not winning in spite of that. Eventually you winning because
41:05
Speaker 1: of he has to hold up his end of the obligation.
41:08
Speaker 1: Right now with his injuries or whatever, he hasn't been
41:11
Speaker 1: able to. But you saw what the Browns are like
41:14
Speaker 1: without a franchise quarterback. They need to get to Sean
41:16
Speaker 1: Watson in the building and playing, and then they also
41:20
Speaker 1: need to get him playing well so they can kind
41:21
Speaker 1: of realize their potential as a team.
41:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think when you're in the AFC right now,
41:25
Speaker 2: you don't have one of those superstars you can get
41:28
Speaker 2: to the playoffs. And when we just came up, you know,
41:30
Speaker 2: talking about the Jets and what they're trying to do.
41:32
Speaker 2: If the Jets are gonna do anything, they're gonna need
41:33
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers to miraculously come back at the end of
41:36
Speaker 2: the year to try and get through this gauntlet. And
41:38
Speaker 2: that with the Browns, they're gonna need the young in
41:42
Speaker 2: his prime, great Deshaun Watson, if they're gonna make a run,
41:46
Speaker 2: because you're not getting through Burrow, Mahomes, Josh Allen, You're
41:49
Speaker 2: not getting through all those guys. You know, Trevor Lawrence
41:52
Speaker 2: obviously belongs in that discussion. And I know that's a
41:54
Speaker 2: defensive laden team, but you know, the Jags find their
41:56
Speaker 2: way into a shootout. Buck if their defense cracks, the
42:00
Speaker 2: quarterback can win a shootout. You got to have a
42:02
Speaker 2: quarterback it's going to be able to Maybe it's only
42:04
Speaker 2: one game in the playoffs in the AFC. Maybe it's
42:06
Speaker 2: just one time, but you better have that club in
42:08
Speaker 2: your bag. Is kind of what I'm getting at.
42:10
Speaker 1: Is the only way you can do it into AFC.
42:13
Speaker 1: It's quarterback play, yes, quarterback playing pass for better have
42:16
Speaker 1: an a level quarterback because it's going to come down
42:18
Speaker 1: to a duel the seven teams and make the tournament.
42:21
Speaker 1: We can pretty much guarantee that each of those guys
42:24
Speaker 1: going to have a franchise, a marquee quarterback. So you've
42:26
Speaker 1: got to be able to if you don't have one, man,
42:28
Speaker 1: you go into the gunfight with a butter Knight. YEP.
42:31
Speaker 2: A good way to end it right there. It's a
42:32
Speaker 2: good way to put it.
42:33
Speaker 1: Man.
42:34
Speaker 2: We normally touch on the rest of the games briefly.
42:36
Speaker 2: We don't have time to do that today. We will
42:37
Speaker 2: get into some of these other games and these other
42:39
Speaker 2: teams again throughout the week. We have five episodes a week,
42:43
Speaker 2: so Monday through Friday, including the video show, which you
42:46
Speaker 2: can catch on Tuesday. That is four pm Pacific every Tuesday.
42:50
Speaker 2: That's on the NFL Fast Channel. But anyways, that's going
42:53
Speaker 2: to do it for us today. I appreciate you guys
42:54
Speaker 2: hanging with us, and we'll see you next time. Right
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Speaker 2: here on, move the sticks.
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