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Bonus: Real “Emo” Notes from the Punk Rock Museum, DIY Recording, and More Bobby Fuller · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life?
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  Speaker 1: Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to
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  Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: I give you my thoughts on my visit to the
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  Speaker 1: Punk Rock Museum in Las Vegas, some home recording recommendations,
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  Speaker 1: your takes on Bobby Fuller's death with your emails, comments, DMs, Voicemails, texts,
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  Speaker 1: and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is
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  Speaker 1: the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent
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  Speaker 1: thinkers who know that the best history is the history
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  Speaker 1: that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories
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  Speaker 1: you'll end up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's
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  Speaker 1: get into it. So no one ever called Bobby Fuller
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  Speaker 1: punk rock because he existed forever. before punk rock, though
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  Speaker 1: one of the greatest punk rock bands of all time
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  Speaker 1: further popularized his song, I Fought the Law. I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about The Clash, of course. Bobby Fuller was not punk. Again,
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  Speaker 1: he was from the early to mid-1960s, but he was
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  Speaker 1: very punk rock in the way that he created his music.
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  Speaker 1: He was one of the first DIY artists at a
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  Speaker 1: time when that wasn't a thing at all. He created
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  Speaker 1: a real home studio in his parents' modest suburban home,
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  Speaker 1: so a lot of punk rock exists in Bobby Fuller.
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  Speaker 1: And I was thinking of Bobby Fuller this past weekend
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  Speaker 1: when I visited the Punk Rock Museum in Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: When I was there, I had an experience that I
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  Speaker 1: didn't think I would have. I became strangely emotional, like
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  Speaker 1: legit trying not to cry emotional from being there. Laura
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  Speaker 1: Jane Grace from Against Me was our tour guide and
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  Speaker 1: she was fantastic. She said this thing that really crystallized
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  Speaker 1: the feeling I was having while on that tour. She
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  Speaker 1: said that Punk rock is about broken people, broken kids
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  Speaker 1: coming together and being put back together again by punk rock.
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  Speaker 1: It's so true. It really stuck with me. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: matter if we're talking about punk rock kids from the
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  Speaker 1: New York scene, the LA scene, the Boston hardcore scene,
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  Speaker 1: the Bay Area, whatever. We were all misfits. And most
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  Speaker 1: of us were latchkey kids. It didn't matter where we
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  Speaker 1: came from, our race, our sexuality, our gender, how much
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  Speaker 1: money our parents did or didn't have. When we went
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  Speaker 1: to those all ages shows, we were finally part of
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  Speaker 1: a community. We finally identified as something other than the
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  Speaker 1: fuck ups that we were told that we were. Now,
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  Speaker 1: sensing that feeling, that crystallization of that idea, I always
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  Speaker 1: knew this, obviously, but a lot of that has become
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  Speaker 1: lost in the last 20 or 30 years of punk
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  Speaker 1: rock as we've gotten older. And some of us, myself included,
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  Speaker 1: have become more cynical when we think about what punk
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  Speaker 1: rock has become. It's obviously a massive business, this huge thing,
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  Speaker 1: but you're so reminded of that foundational spark that punk
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  Speaker 1: rock gave you When you're inside the Punk Rock Museum
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  Speaker 1: in Las Vegas because of all the ephemera and the
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  Speaker 1: tactile nature of all the ephemera that's surrounding you. When
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  Speaker 1: you're looking at Johnny Thunders' guitar, you're looking at homemade
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  Speaker 1: flyers by Raymond Pettibone for Black Flag. You're looking at
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  Speaker 1: these amazing zines, Suburban Voice from Massachusetts, What's Up Al Quint,
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  Speaker 1: Maximum Rock and Roll from the Bay Area. all these flyers,
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  Speaker 1: all this, you know, Joe Strummer's last bag of grass
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  Speaker 1: is there in a case. You're literally looking at Mike
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  Speaker 1: Ness's living room, the artifacts from his living room. You're
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  Speaker 1: looking at the sofa, the studio sofa anyways, that Kurt
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  Speaker 1: Cobain nodded out on. And all of that, it gives
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  Speaker 1: you this feeling, you really feel what it felt like
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  Speaker 1: to be in those rooms back then and to have
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  Speaker 1: those experiences. And I'm not trying to suggest that This
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  Speaker 1: is only for people who hung out with Kurt Cobain
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  Speaker 1: in the studio or Mike Ness in Social Distortion in
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  Speaker 1: Mike's living room. If you're into punk rock, if you're
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  Speaker 1: into DIY music, if you're putting things together in the
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  Speaker 1: same way that these other scene kids were, then you
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  Speaker 1: were using the same materials. You were sitting on the
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  Speaker 1: same furniture. Your living room felt like Mike Ness's living room.
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  Speaker 1: Your garage space that you practiced in felt like the space,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's the no effects space, their garage or
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  Speaker 1: the Pennywise garage that they recreate in the Punk Rock Museum.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you feel it is my point. All the
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  Speaker 1: tactile nature of everything on display, it connected me back
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  Speaker 1: to that emotion in a very real way. It was
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  Speaker 1: an insane emotional feeling that I had. And it wasn't nostalgia.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it kind of was on some
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  Speaker 1: level nostalgia, but more than that, it was gratitude This
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  Speaker 1: feeling of, I feel so lucky to have found this
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  Speaker 1: scene and the people in my life who were part
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  Speaker 1: of that scene then, who taught me at a young
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  Speaker 1: age during those very formative years, taught me how to
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  Speaker 1: look at the world differently in a way that allowed
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  Speaker 1: me to value myself and who I was and the
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  Speaker 1: music that I loved, which people told me was shit.
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  Speaker 1: and that it was crap, and that it wasn't mainstream
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, that fucking dumb, tired bullshit argument that we
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  Speaker 1: all laugh at now. It doesn't apply anymore. But back then,
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  Speaker 1: it did matter. I felt grateful because all of that
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  Speaker 1: led me to where I am now. I had this
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  Speaker 1: other thought too. The museum and the tour are set
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  Speaker 1: up so that you start at the beginning of punk
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  Speaker 1: rock with the New York Dolls and with Iggy Pop,
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  Speaker 1: sort of pre-punk music. And then you're quickly a couple
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  Speaker 1: years further down the line in the 70s with the
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  Speaker 1: Ramones and Blondie and Talking Heads. And then you're in
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  Speaker 1: Europe with the Sex Pistols and The Clash. Then you're
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  Speaker 1: in LA with Black Flag. And then New York hardcore,
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  Speaker 1: Boston hardcore, the Bay Area, all that stuff. You go
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  Speaker 1: through the whole thing chronologically. And you're traveling all over
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  Speaker 1: the world as punk rock traveled. And I had this feeling, again,
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  Speaker 1: out of gratitude. Like, not to be name droppy or anything,
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  Speaker 1: but I had real experiences with so many of these
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  Speaker 1: artists that helped form me. And I never really think
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  Speaker 1: about them because these artists are giants to me. I've
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  Speaker 1: met and had real experiences with so many of them.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so lucky. I mean, I shared a laugh with
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  Speaker 1: David Johansson backstage at, I think it was a Patti
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  Speaker 1: Smith show. I like talked myself on, not talked, I
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  Speaker 1: just bum rushed the stage at a Patti Smith show
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  Speaker 1: at Carnegie Hall and was singing backup vocals. I met
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  Speaker 1: the Ramones for God's sake when I was 10 years old.
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  Speaker 1: And a couple of them later on when I was
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  Speaker 1: an adult, I once went for a walk with Debbie
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  Speaker 1: Harry through lower Manhattan. I recorded with John Doe from X.
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  Speaker 1: I toured with John Doe. I literally once went to
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  Speaker 1: a bar to meet John Lydon, Johnny Rotten, and have
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  Speaker 1: a drink with him. You know, I never really think
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  Speaker 1: of these things unless I'm talking to my kids, you know, and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I talk about how I played with Blink-182
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  Speaker 1: once or whatever, you know, these are just things that
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  Speaker 1: happened in my life and I'm very grateful for them.
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  Speaker 1: I really am. I truly am. And I don't think
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  Speaker 1: of them enough with enough gratitude because these experiences helped
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  Speaker 1: form me just as all the other experiences before I
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  Speaker 1: kind of was even in a band. And I was just,
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  Speaker 1: I was just a fan. And when I was putting
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  Speaker 1: my own zine together, when I was going to matinees
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  Speaker 1: and just walking through that museum, it's just, it's just damn,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I just felt blessed. And so many of
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  Speaker 1: us are, and my experiences are not that unique. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not trying to be name droppy again or present them as,
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  Speaker 1: as such, you know, I'm just struck by how important
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  Speaker 1: this culture is. this music is to me, this scene,
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  Speaker 1: this community. I always knew that, obviously, but it just
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  Speaker 1: really hit me over the head when I was there.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean it. I was trying not to cry.
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  Speaker 1: Laura Jane Grace was just fucking incredible. She nailed the
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  Speaker 1: tour and then she played at the end of this thing.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, it was heavy. I did not expect that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so impressed. with how the ethos of punk and
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  Speaker 1: DIY culture and hardcore came across in this museum. This
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  Speaker 1: idea that we were all broken and punk rock put
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  Speaker 1: us back together again. If I never ran with punk
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  Speaker 1: rock music and hardcore music and wasn't in a hardcore band,
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  Speaker 1: my life would not be what it is now. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it would be as rich and I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it would be as rewarding. It just The museum
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  Speaker 1: really blew me away. I cannot recommend it highly enough.
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  Speaker 1: If you're in Las Vegas, make sure you check them out.
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  Speaker 1: Punk Rock Museum. And again, where this all started, if
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Fuller was born 10, 15 years later, he would
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  Speaker 1: have been a punk kid. He would have been DIY.
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  Speaker 1: He would have been in that world, and he would
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  Speaker 1: have made his own music, and he wouldn't have had
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  Speaker 1: to fuck with dangerous men from the music industry and
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  Speaker 1: ended up how things... ended for him. A lot of people,
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  Speaker 1: we talk about this in the Bobby Fuller episode and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know this. I certainly didn't
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  Speaker 1: know this, but it was one of the things that
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  Speaker 1: was sold to me by my old bandmate, Seth Goodman,
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  Speaker 1: back in the day when he was trying to sell
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  Speaker 1: me on Bobby Fuller and to go listen to him.
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  Speaker 1: He had that, what was that? Bear Family record label compilation.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember him telling me how Bobby Fuller recorded
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  Speaker 1: his own stuff, kind of did everything. He was his
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  Speaker 1: own little rock and roll empresario. And when I was
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  Speaker 1: researching Bobby Fuller for this episode, I was really blown
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  Speaker 1: away with how he went about recording himself in an
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  Speaker 1: era when it was not easy. Not only was it
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  Speaker 1: not easy, it wasn't really even accepted. And he literally
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  Speaker 1: turned his parents' suburban home into a recording studio. This
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  Speaker 1: is not, Bobby Fuller did not grow up rich. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't even really grow up middle class. It was more
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  Speaker 1: working class. And the home was a small home. And he,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he like, you know, got into the drywall
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  Speaker 1: and built a control room with a window facing the
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  Speaker 1: live room, which was the living room. Built his own
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  Speaker 1: echo chamber outside of the house, attached it like adjacent
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  Speaker 1: to the house. Just really incredible stuff. And again, that
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  Speaker 1: wasn't accepted then. It wasn't done and it wasn't accepted.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't until really, you know, the 80s, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: but not even really. I mean, the 80s, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Ramones and all the sort of downtown bands could
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  Speaker 1: rent these like, you know, massive lofts for cheap in
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  Speaker 1: New York. And that's how, that's why those sounds, those
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  Speaker 1: songs by those bands have those massive drum sounds and
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  Speaker 1: big guitar sounds. And then it wasn't really until the
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  Speaker 1: 90s that the home recording, the lo-fi thing, the sebados,
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  Speaker 1: all the pavements, all that stuff kind of like kind
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  Speaker 1: of took off and became really accepted, I guess, is
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  Speaker 1: the word. And then, you know, in the early 2000s,
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  Speaker 1: the early aughts, the 2010s, you know, when everything kind
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  Speaker 1: of started to be able to happen on your laptop,
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: you get the whole electro clash thing happening in New York. And,
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: you know, that leads to the LCD sound system and
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: all that. So this stuff fascinates me, the way it
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: evolves over time. Zeth and I, in the exclusive section
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: of The After Party, are going to go through some
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: of our Our favorite recommendations from sort of the home
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: recording verse, the home recording universe. And we promise there'll
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: be some revealing stuff in here, some revelatory stuff that
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: hopefully you're not aware of or wouldn't think of that'll
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: send you down a rabbit hole. And we're just going
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: to recommend some cool shit to you. That conversation is
• 12:34
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• 12:47
  Speaker 1: so Bobby Fuller in the feed this week in our
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: latest episode of Disgrace Land. If you haven't heard it,
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: you got to understand that Bobby Fuller was worth more
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: dead than alive to his record label Delphi Records. Because
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  Speaker 1: at the time, Bobby Fuller was all that Delphi Records had.
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  Speaker 1: But Bobby Fuller was going to leave, at least that
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: was the rumor, he was going to leave Delphi Records
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  Speaker 1: for Atlantic Records. And this wasn't just a rumor. I
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  Speaker 1: believe it comes from his brother, Randy. There was a
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  Speaker 1: meeting between Bobby Fuller and Ahmet Erdogan in New York City. Now,
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  Speaker 1: it's believed that Notorious Genevieve's family-connected businessman, Morris Levy, had
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  Speaker 1: unofficially taken control of Delphi Records and that Levy had
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  Speaker 1: personally invested in Bobby in exchange for the rights to
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  Speaker 1: Bobby's hit song, Let Her Dance. So, if Bobby Fuller
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  Speaker 1: were to leave Delphi Records, the label would be done. Again,
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  Speaker 1: he was all that the label had. So not only
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  Speaker 1: would the label be done, but Morris Levy's control of
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  Speaker 1: Delphi would be worthless. However, Delphi Records had a million-dollar
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  Speaker 1: insurance policy on Bobby Fuller. So if anything were to
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  Speaker 1: happen to Bobby Fuller, Delphi, or whoever controlled Delphi, would
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  Speaker 1: collect a million dollars. And if Bobby Fuller was going
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  Speaker 1: to leave Delphi for Atlantic and render Delphi virtually worthless,
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  Speaker 1: then some believe Bobby Fuller was worth more dead than alive.
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  Speaker 1: On the day he called a meeting with Delphi to
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  Speaker 1: inform them that he was leaving, he was found dead
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  Speaker 1: in his mother's Oldsmobile. So who killed Bobby Fuller? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we uncover the truth in our new episode of Disgraceland.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: Check that out. That's the Bobby Fuller story. Now, if
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: you love Bobby Fuller's version of I Fought the Law
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: and early rock and roll's impact on punk rock, then again,
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: this Bobby Fuller episode is going to blow your mind, okay?
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  Speaker 1: That's at the top of our feed right now. Coming up.
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  Speaker 1: Next in the feed, right after this episode, this bonus episode,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: right after this is our Rewind episode this Sunday on
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: Lil Peep. I'm not even sure if we've ever pulled
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: this one out of the archive for you guys and
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: put it in the Rewind slot. If we have, it
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: was only once and it was a long, long time ago.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: Great story. I love this story. In 2017, fans didn't
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: find out Lil Peep died from a headline or a
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: radio story. They found out from an Instagram story and
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: not like just some fan posting about his death, okay?
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Lil Peep and two of his fans, while he was
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  Speaker 1: at a show, they headed to his tour bus to
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  Speaker 1: get high. The bus was a mess, as you would expect.
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  Speaker 1: There was a little bit of a party going on.
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  Speaker 1: Peep was handed a Xanax and he swallowed it and
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  Speaker 1: he passed out. his new friends, two of his fans,
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  Speaker 1: they kept partying, they kept laughing, they kept fucking around,
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: texting their friends, oh, we're hanging out with a rock star, blah, blah, blah,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: posting on their socials, all that stuff. And sometime afterward,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Lil Peep lost consciousness and he stopped breathing. And he
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: had fallen victim to fentanyl, which had laced the Xanax
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  Speaker 1: that he was taking, that he had taken, excuse me.
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  Speaker 1: Now this dude, Bexy, okay, one of collaborators from the UK.
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  Speaker 1: He walked to the back of the bus. He saw
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  Speaker 1: Lil Peep passed out. It was close to showtime. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't check, Bexy did not check on Lil Peep to
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  Speaker 1: see if he was all right. Instead, the dude took
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: out his phone and he Insta-storied himself with the passed
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  Speaker 1: out Lil Peep. Others, Lil Peep's fans, they're on the bus.
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  Speaker 1: They did the same thing. They didn't know that Lil
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  Speaker 1: Peep wasn't passed out. Okay. It was much darker than that.
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  Speaker 1: You want to know more about this story? You want
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: to know more about how Lil Peep died and how
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: news of his death traveled in the crazy modern world
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: fuckery of all of this? You got to check out
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: this Lil Peep episode. Also, side note, those of you
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: who are punk rock, hardcore fans, when I was at
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: the Punk Rock Museum, there was a discussion going on
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: about how emo music today means something completely different than
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: it did in the 90s. In the 90s, it was
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  Speaker 1: more connected to what it was in the 80s to
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  Speaker 1: write Rites of Spring and embrace those great DC hardcore bands.
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  Speaker 1: In the 90s, bands like Texas is the Reason, Promise Ring, Piebald, J.June,
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  Speaker 1: Rye Coalition, I guess. It was something else. That was
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  Speaker 1: kind of when I was around emo music. And I
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: knew a lot of those people in those bands. I
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: saw them all karate. Anyways, Lil Peep, heavily, heavily, heavily
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  Speaker 1: influenced by emo. And we get into what emo is
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: fully in this episode. And I'm pretty proud of the
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: way we describe it and pull it together for you guys.
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  Speaker 1: So check that out. Lil Peep, hitting your feeds next,
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  Speaker 1: right after this bonus episode. Then that's on Sunday and
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: in the rewind slot. And then our next new episode
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: next week is going to be on Quincy Jones. Now,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Quincy Jones, arguably the greatest music producer of all time,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: but towards the end of his life, Quincy Jones made
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: some truly outrageous claims. You might've seen these when they
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: were popping off. He said that the Beatles didn't play
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: their instruments. His experience in the studio with Ringo Starr
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: that Ringo couldn't nail a simple four-bar drum part, and
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  Speaker 1: that Quincy and George Martin had to bring in an
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: ace jazz drummer, Ronnie Varel, to do what Ringo couldn't do.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Quincy Jones also claimed that Michael Jackson stole a lot
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: of songs. That's a direct quote. He said that Michael
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: stole the bass line for Billie Jean from Donna Summer's
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: State of Independence, and that the notes don't lie, man.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: That's what Quincy said about Michael Jackson. He also claimed
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: that Frank Sinatra was the reason that he, Quincy Jones,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: knew exactly who killed John F. Kennedy. So was Quincy
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Jones arguably the greatest producer of all time? Was he lying?
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Was he lying about these musical crimes, fraud, theft, murder,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: about the Beatles, about Michael Jackson, about Sinatra? We're going
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: to find out in this upcoming episode. And we're going
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: to get into Q's life, just an incredible life. The
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: dude was everywhere. He played with everybody, everybody, a true
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: giant from music history. And who at the end of
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: his career had zero fucks to give and said whatever
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the hell he wanted. And oh my, it's glorious. I'm
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: just scratching the surface here with this stuff about Michael
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Jackson and the Beatles and Frank Sinatra. We unpack all
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: that in the episode, but there's so much more. So
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: that's a Quincy Jones episode. When you're listening to this episode,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: be thinking about Quincy's connection to music's greatest artists, okay?
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: And let us know if you believe that the claims
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: that he's made that we unpack are Let us know
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: if you think they're true or not. If you think
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: he was lying. I want to know. I unpack it.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I litigate it. I want to know what you guys
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: think though. Side note, who is your favorite music producer?
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: We've never asked this question. Which producer has made the
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: records that you can't live without?
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: 617-906-6638.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I'll take your answers for either of those questions. Voicemail
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and text. Email me, disgracelandpod at gmail.com. Hit me up
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: at disgracelandpod on the socials. Discos, we're covering a lot
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: of ground right now on Disgrace Land this week with
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Bobby Fuller, Punk Rock, Hardcore Emo, Quincy Jones. I want
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: to hear from you guys. We're going to be back
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: in a flash with your answers to last week's question
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: of the week. your voicemails, text, DMs, and more coming
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: up right after this. All right, guys, we're back. 617-906-6638,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: voicemail and text. Question of the week from our Bobby
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Fuller episode. What do you think? Who killed him? Pretty simple.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Do you believe my take? I want to know. Let's
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: go to the 903.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Well, Jake, I have to say, being a former journalist
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: and just a general seeker of information and a historian
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: where I've had to document things and everything, I think
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: you did a very, very, very, very thorough job of
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: drawing out the real story of Bobby Forrest's death and
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: pretty eloquently put it together. And in my mind, there's
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: no question of what happened to him. People, I guess,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: are covering their ass and everything like that in Texas,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: but that's Texas. So I grew up in Texas. I
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: lived in Texas for the first, you know, 40 plus
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: years of my life. So I know Texas corruption pretty well.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: And of course, DC and stuff where I'm living now
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: isn't that much better. But anyway, kudos to you for
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: the job. Kudos for you for the story and the
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: podcast and everything. you're honestly the only podcast that I
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: pay to support anymore because, you know, things are not
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: that great right now economically, but anyway, rock and roll,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: keep doing what you're doing.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Bye. 903. Thank you so much for your call and
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: thank you for support. Appreciate you being part of the
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: disgrace and all access community and paying for that ad
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: free and exclusive content. You're never some good, uh, home
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: recording recs for you in the exclusive section of the
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: after party coming up. But, um, Yeah, man, I'm shocked
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: that this isn't common knowledge. I mean, it's pretty obvious
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to me when you get into the research. Appreciate you
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: vibing on what we were saying and how we put
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the story together. I'm glad it resonated with you, 903.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Let's go to the 915. Hey, what's up, Disgraceland?
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Richie Valenzuela from El Paso, Texas. Man, the Bobby Fuller
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: episode was jaw-dropping. I knew the story being from El Paso,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: but I had no idea about all the extra layers.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: What's crazy to me is the manager, Bob King. He
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: also managed Richie Valens. And after Richie died, King came
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: to El Paso looking for young, dumb, Mexican-American talent. And instead,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: he found a genius, Bobby Fuller. Man, crazy episode. After
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: hearing your episode, I can't wait but wonder how much
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Bob King really had to do with what happened to Bobby. Anyway,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: phenomenal story. Phenomenal job. Love the podcast. Call out to
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: you later. Richie V. Peace.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Hey, Richie. Thanks for the call, man. My take on
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Bob Keene is that he was more kind of a
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: bystander to the more powerful powers that be who were
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: really controlling his record label. the distributor, and of course,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the man from New York. Bob Keene, he lived. He
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: lived to tell his story. That's kind of telling. Whereas,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: of course, Bobby Fuller did not. Appreciate you, man. Thanks
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: for the call. A lot of Texans chiming in. Let's
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: go to the 361. What's up, Jake?
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: This is Jessica down from 361, Corpus Christi, Texas. Chiming
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: in on the best super group ever.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: And it has to be hands down, my friend, the Highwaymen.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: That's all I have to say. Have a blessing, brother.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Take care.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Hard to argue with the Highwaymen, Jessica. Hard to argue
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: with a Texan about the Highwaymen. I think that's how
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I should have put it. I got to say, we
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: got a Buddy Holly, Day of the Music Died, Richie Valens.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Buddy Holly being from Texas, so I'm mentioning it here. Episode,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: good Dr. Lundy is working up right now. Maybe something
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: on the highway meant in the future. I don't know. 617-906-6638.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Voicemail and text 404-TEXAN. Bob Marley and the Whalers. Bad
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: card would be a great track for the casino mixtape.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I stayed out of the casinos. I mean, I walked
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: through them, of course. You can't avoid them. I don't gamble.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: You know, I come from a whole family of gamblers.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Everybody in my family gambles, and I'm the one person
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: who doesn't. In both families, my wife's family as well.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: It's strange.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I just have this aversion to it, except football. I
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: bet on football. I don't know. I don't know how
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: much of that I can talk about. I guess you
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: can talk about it, right? 630 writes in, hey, Jake,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: your comments about your early 20s mirroring John Cusack's movie
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: roles reminded me of the great opening essay, This is Emo,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: from Chuck Klosterman's book, Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs. If
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: you've never checked it out, please do. Thanks for everything
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: you do. This is Rob from the 630. Rob from
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the 630, thank you. I don't know this book. I
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: love Chuck when I hear him interviewed. And I read
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: one of his books. I can't remember what it was called.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I have it lying around behind me. I don't know
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: where the hell it is. But I'm going to check
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: this out because I got emo on the brain. And
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: like I said, in the little peep episode coming up,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: we've got some good emo history coming at you. And
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: we unpacked this Cusack take more fully in the upcoming
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: episode of This Film Should Be Played Loud, which hits
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: next week on Gross Point Blank. You're not going to
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: want to miss that. For those of you who do
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: not know, this film should be played loud, is our
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: monthly video podcast on the greatest music from the greatest movies.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: And we're doing Gross Point Blank, which the soundtrack is
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: just a fucking banger. This is our second John Cusack movie.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: We've already done High Fidelity. You want to hear this,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: you got to go to disgracelandpod.com, sign up, become an
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: All Access member to check that out. This one comes
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: from Dee in Dallas. She says, hey, I just listened
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: to the episode About Scorsese and other things. And there's
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: a question about who is the best transition from music
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: artist to actor. And hands down, Jared Leto. I will
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: fight someone over that. Seriously, I'll die on this hill.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: It is absolutely not Will Smith. Definitely 100,000% Jared motherfucking Leto.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: But wasn't Jared Leto an actor before he was a musician?
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Not a musician who turned actor like Will Smith?
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Also.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going to be happy about this, D.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Sounds like you're a Jared Leto 30 Seconds to Mars fan.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: But we've got a Jared Leto episode coming up. And
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I got to say, the shit I'm finding in the
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: research is fucking disgusting. And there's a torrent of this
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: information out there. That's kind of the one theme I've
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: found so far is that this information is abundant. First
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: person sourced in addition to tons and tons of Even
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: stuff people are sending me, their experiences, nevermind the tons
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and tons of stuff on Reddit and just, you know, it's,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I kind of don't even know what to do with
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: it all, you know, but I'll figure it out. Don't
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: worry about it. And, you know, if I piss you off, D, apologies.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Just remember, we've got a whole bunch of other episodes
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: where I don't piss you off. All right. Get at
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: me guys. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. Question of the week
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: next week is going to be about Quincy Jones. Do
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: you believe him? Is he lying? Is he making that
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: shit up? Sub question. Who's your favorite music producer? Who
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: made the records you can't live without? That's what I
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: want to know. 617-906-6638. Trying to keep up with the
• 27:50
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• 27:52
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• 27:57
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• 28:00
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• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Facebook got some login problems, but we're figuring it out.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: At DisgracelandPod on the socials is what I'm saying. Now,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: we all know Michael Jackson's Thriller. But did you know
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that Thriller, one of the greatest, most important records ever recorded,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: almost never happened? Because its producer, Quincy Jones, almost died
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: in 1974. That was the year that he had a
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: brain aneurysm. Doctors gave Quincy Jones a 1% chance of surviving.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: His friends, Marvin Gaye, Richard Pryor, among them, began planning
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Quincy Jones' memorial service for him. That's how dire things were.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: But Quincy Jones survived and not only went on to
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: produce Michael Jackson's first three albums, including Thriller, but he
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: also produced many, many others. And he became the most
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Grammy-nominated artist in history. 80 nominations and 28 wins. But
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: all that nearly didn't happen. Can you imagine pop history
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: without Thriller, without Quincy Jones? I can't. And I'm glad
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: we don't have to. And I can't wait for you
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to hear our new episode on Quincy Jones coming up
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: next week. Coming up after this break, your emails. All right.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: This one comes from Jeff Smith. Hey, Jake, JJ Smitty
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: living in Osaka, Japan. I went from thinking your show
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: was just gossip to loving it. Loving is in all caps.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Keep on rocking and rolling. First of all, before I
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: read the rest of your email here, JJ Smitty. whatever
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: gave you the impression that Disgraceland was gossip? This is
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: a very serious question. I'm not just picking bones, picking nits.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I want to know, is this something you heard? Certainly
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: not the episodes. You can tell that they're all very
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: well researched. Who told you that? Because I'm going to
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: fucking find them. No, I'm not. I just want to know. Okay.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: JJ Smitty goes on to say, as a native New Yorker,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: no doubt Bobby Fuller got released from any obligations, quote unquote.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Bobby talked too much and threatened. And that was it.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Sad story because getting ripped off happened and happens to
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: so many young artists and they really have no help.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Bobby was from Texas, which meant at the time that
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: he knew nothing about the entertainment business in New York
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: or LA. Just too bad. Rockarola, you're a bad man.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: All the best and continued success. JJ Smitty. JJ Smitty,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: you are absolutely right. You nailed it. You nailed it.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Texans have that thing about them. I read this in
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: a Mario Puzo book years ago. That's sort of, you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: everything's bigger in Texas. I feel like Texans have that
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: imbued in them in the same way, you know, us
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: from the Northeast have this like smart ass thing in us.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't even really notice it until like
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: get out of New England. And I think Bobby Fuller
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: had brass balls. I really do. And I felt like,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I think he felt like he could take over the
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: world and he could stand up to guys in New
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: York and LA and, uh, did not happen. Sad, sad stuff.
• 31:12
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• 31:15
  Speaker 1: about anything. Listen, Zeth and I are going to be
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: talking about home recording recommendations. Now I'm not talking about
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: like gear you use at home to record. I'm talking about, uh,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: home recordings that were turned into great art. We're going
• 31:28
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• 31:30
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• 31:33
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• 31:36
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• 31:41
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• 31:45
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• 31:47
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• 31:49
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• 31:53
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• 31:57
  Speaker 1: we get there, however, I almost forgot. I've got to
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: tell you about Hollywoodland. You know about Hollywoodland. It's our
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Hollywood and true crime podcast. It's Zeth Helms. We've got
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: archive episodes. We've got Will Smith in the feed this week.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Zeth's hitting you two times a week in the Hollywoodland
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: feed with the wrap party with my recommendations as well
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: in the screening room. This weekend, we're all going to
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: be watching Tony Scott's Enemy of the State, which is
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: probably my favorite Will Smith movie. Fantastic movie. Love this movie.
• 32:25
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• 32:28
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• 32:31
  Speaker 1: your podcasts. Because this whole conversation I'm doing here, it's
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: happening in a different way over there. Different conversation. More conversation.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: That's my point. Like I said earlier, this film should
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: be played loud. Our new episode on Gross Point Blank,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: that hits next week. Okay, disgracelandpod.com to sign up. Make
• 32:45
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• 32:47
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• 32:52
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• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I'm about to get into right now with Dr. Zeth Lundy.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: All right, coming up right after this. All right, we're back.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: We're ready to split. Before we do, I just want
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: to say thank you. And, you know, appreciate you guys,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: as always. Newbies, new Disgraceland listeners, you want more Disgraceland,
• 33:23
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• 33:26
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• 33:29
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• 33:32
  Speaker 1: you in the right direction. All right. Let's recap. Number one,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: this week, our new episode on Bobby Fuller is available
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: for you right now. Number two, in the rewind slot
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: this weekend, our classic episode on Lil Peep. Number three,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: next week, coming up, our next new episode on Quincy Jones.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Number four, Zeth gives you those Hollywood and crime vibes
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: in Hollywoodland. So, Make sure you're subscribed. And I give
• 33:53
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• 33:55
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• 33:59
  Speaker 1: film should be played loud video podcast episode on licorice pizza.
• 34:03
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• 34:06
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• 34:22
  Speaker 1: into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: keep texting with your answers to this week's question of
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the week. Who's your favorite music producer? Or with whatever
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: else you want to talk about. Hit us up, let
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: us know. Number 7, don't forget discos. This isn't just content.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: It's a community, a community of the obsessed. No one
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: It ties them all together like you do. And well,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: that's a disgrace. All right, back on July 18th, 1966.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Bobby Fuller's body was discovered in a parking lot, and
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: this is what America was listening to on that day
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: according to the Billboard charts. 1. Hanky Panky, Tommy James,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: and the Shondells. Last week, 1. Peak Position, 1. Weeks
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: on Chart, 8. 2. Wild Thing, The Trogs. Last week, 2.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Peak Position, 7. Two, Weeks on Chart. Five. Number three,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Lil Red Riding Hood. Sam the Sham and the Pharoahs.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Last week, Pied 9. Peak position. Three, Weeks on Chart. Seven.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Number four, the Pied Piper. Peak position. Crispy and St. Peter's.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Last week, 12. Peak position. Four, Weeks on Chart. Seven.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Number five, the Pied Piper. Quit talking and start mixing.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Cut it!