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Ep.86 – Why Corrupt Institutions Lie to Parents About Child Screen Time With Richard Freed | Tech Addiction | Child Psychology | Silicon Valley | Parent Guide · Virtuous Leaders with Dr. Johann D'Souza

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  There's this tiny sliver of what I call the tech elite, and they
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  infinitely brag about how well their kids are doing away from
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  screens that they won't fall for this hype.
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  Oh, that's what kids do today. They say I'm protecting my kids
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  from screens and look how well my kids have done.
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  And then there's almost like everyone else that isn't Privy
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  to that information, and my job is to bring that forward.
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  This is Virtuous Leaders, the podcast for based Catholics who
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  will speak truth, do good or die trying.
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  Here's the show. You are a PhD level psychologist
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  and you got some training at Harvard Medical School.
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  You've spoken about the dangers of screen use at at the
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  California State legislature and then also similarly to the
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  American Psychological Association and you've written
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  two books about it. My first question is why do we
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  need to write books about this? Isn't it just so obvious?
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  It it's not I think we just look at the data and childhood is
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  disappearing like the typical kid has now by the time that
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  they're a teen has now left the real world behind to sit before
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  a screen said largely sedentary for 8 hours more than 8 hours
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  and 30 minutes every single day like and and they've left family
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  behind. They've left school behind.
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  They've left an interest in books behind.
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  They live amidst in a in darkened rooms talking with
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  strangers rather than connecting with their families.
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  They are, they've been deceived by a lot of the, the major
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  voices within our country talking about the health effects
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  of kids and technology have aligned often times financially
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  with industry. They essentially act as PR
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  rather than they, they betrayed childhood, they betrayed our
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  families and educators and healthcare, other healthcare
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  providers to just, they've aligned with industry to sort of
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  bless this movement because they, they're, they're
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  oftentimes paid to do so, but they've blessed this movement on
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  2 screens. And so kids are suffering.
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  That's what motivates me to write about this and talk with
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  families about it. Well, at least unlike most
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  issues, rich people and poor people are facing the same
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  struggle here, right? Yes, and I think we see those
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  who are There's this tiny sliver, as I talked about in in
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  Better Than Real Life. There's this tiny sliver of what
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  I call the tech elite, and they infinitely brag about how well
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  their kids are doing away from screens that they won't fall for
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  this hype that that, oh, that's what kids do today.
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  There's they say, I'm protecting my kids from screens and look
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  how well my kids have done. And then there's almost like
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  sort of everyone else that isn't Privy to that information.
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  And my job is to bring that forward.
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  And we see black and Latino youth really get hammered by
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  this stuff. Well, I was talking about that 8
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  hours and 30 minutes for the average teenager in in the US
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  for black and Latino youth, it's it's about 10 hours every single
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  day in front of a sedentary screen.
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  Those kids are suffering more with respect to screen caused
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  child obesity. So American healthcare needs to
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  step up and recognize that they they've been deceived by a lot
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  of people saying, oh, screen time's not really all that
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  important. That's a lie.
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  American healthcare has a responsibility to look at the
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  actual science saying screen time is a contributor to child
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  obesity and to type 2 diet and then it's all its consequences
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  of type 2 diabetes and they need to step up.
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  So because less advantage families are getting it but just
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  or getting it worse. But like, I would say, unless
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  you are the point OO 1% of families, not including my own,
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  that like are able to send their kids to schools that are
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  largely, you know, based around human connection.
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  That's where the kind of rich are sending their kids to
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  school, like to these schools based around not around screens
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  and and instead around the human connection.
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  So there is some on, yes, all sort of folks are affected, but
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  there is like this little strata of of of folks that sort of at
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  least their kids are, are more protected than than than than
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  others. Regarding the black and Latino
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  kids, I've seen that first hand. It's been a couple summers
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  volunteering in the Bronx. And contrary to popular
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  expectation, what you find is these kids spend all their time
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  at home in front of screens, not roaming around outside getting
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  in trouble, which might actually be better for them.
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  And it turns them into these weak, flabby, purposeless
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  automatons, which is is really sad to see.
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  But you, you mentioned that. So these top tech executives
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  sending their children to these human oriented schools, when,
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  when do you think is the earth is going to open up under their
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  feet and swallow them whole? Like what do you mean?
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  Like do they are they able to sleep at night and knowing what
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  they are doing to other kids while they protect their own?
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  Yeah, that's, that's a better way of putting it.
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  Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
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  I, I can't live my life like that and I I truly don't know
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  how they can. And then they talk all so again,
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  they're just and they're, they're so out of touch.
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  I think money that that level of money puts you in this.
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  I I think it disconnects you from the reality.
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  And they and when they talk, so many of these people talk like
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  it. It's so it's tone tone deaf.
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  It's, it's so out of touch with, with what everyone else is, is
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  dealing with. And, and I, I don't know, I
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  think there's this cognitive dissonance that like, you know,
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  like, and I think back in there like, wow, you know, all this
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  money is allowing me to protect my kids and send them to these
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  special schools and provide them these extracurricular activities
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  and purchase the, the get these nannies that are 100K plus a
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  year that are protecting my kids and that, that allows me to less
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  consider what's happening to everyone else.
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  Meanwhile, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm selling myself.
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  I tell my PR agent to tell the world about all the the
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  wonderful things I'm doing, you know myself, and the world gets
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  suckered in by that. Must be nice not to have a
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  conscience. So your latest book Better than
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  Real Life. Can you give us the top most
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  important takeaways from that book?
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  I think it's it's it's really too where the but like if I was
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  going to sort of like took me a long time to write that book,
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  but it's we are telling families today, oh, play a video game, go
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  socially connect, go watch TV, which is YouTube and and TikTok.
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  These are not that they're sold to to families as entertainment,
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  but silicon. What Silicon Valley knows very
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  well is that it's not entertainment based.
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  It is it is a science, manipulative science that kids
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  are logging onto called persuasive design that
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  essentially the world has not ever heard heard about.
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  And my job is to and that is a science in which machines are
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  designed to manipulate humans to change their behavior using the
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  highest levels of psychology. So it's the Silicon Valley
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  merger with the highest levels of psychology, neuroscience, AI
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  to purposely manipulate kids with the idea that we're going
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  to shift childhood. The main goal of it to shift
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  childhood away from the real world, to put it on a screen.
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  And, and I think the second large big picture innovation is
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  to really bring forward that these people that you're told to
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  trust these the, the, the four leading child health
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  organizations in the United States that that give you advice
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  about screen time or industry aligned and typically industry
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  or often industry funded. And they essentially act as PR
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  that are just blessing this industry.
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  They, they've sold out childhood, they've betrayed
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  families, they've betrayed kids. And they're just saying, oh,
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  screen time's not such a problem.
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  They've essentially enabled industry to take childhood for
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  its own. And that's not OK.
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  We need to lead with what science actually tells us our
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  kids need. And that's things like, you
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  know, I, I know you focus on, on traditional values and so forth.
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  There is a reason why traditional cultures since the
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  beginning of time have emphasized things like family,
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  whether our kids are teen teens or preteens or little kids,
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  they're #1 most important emotional connection should be
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  with family, not online peers and strangers.
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  So that's, it's, it's really talk like sort of really
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  definitely saying like, let's take a look at the reason why
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  these cultures have long promoted the importance of
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  family is because that's what science says works.
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  And that's what's going to help our kids going forward.
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  So I, I work to bring the science and you know what?
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  Lo and behold, what do you know these traditional cultures for
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  for 1000 plus years are actually right.
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  And what Silicon Valley is selling you as a parent now is
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  is a lie. What are those 4 organizations
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  you mentioned that are betraying our trust?
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  Number one, the American Academy of Pediatrics, which is really
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  sad to say, the American Academy of Pediatrics is a a science
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  based really good organization. But in 2016 their Media Group,
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  the ones that provide media recommendations, essentially
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  became industry aligned. The main person at the American
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  Academy of Pediatrics to give the world advice about kids and
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  screens is doctor Megan Moreno, whose research has been funded
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  by Facebook, Instagram. You can't do that.
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  That's like having McDonald's and and Coca-Cola fund dietary
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  guidelines. The second one is the American
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  Psychological Association. They are, they say they're a
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  Health Organization for saying, oh, social media is not really a
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  problem. But they are also a professional
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  organization working to place psychologists within the social
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  media industry. So they literally can't say, you
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  know, oh, this, this product, the social media product poses
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  risk because it would be unethical for psychologists to,
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  to work there. So that's their industry
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  alignment. The a real big one, number three
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  is common sense media, this group that parents think of oh,
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  that's a rating organization. They have changed.
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  Do they have they are now primarily an Ed and a multi
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  $1,000,000 Ed tech put screens in schools tech and schools
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  lobbying group and they say things like screen time isn't is
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  not really a problem even though their CEO and and founder Jim
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  Styer talks he brags about how he limited his own kids screen
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  time very much part of the tech elite.
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  And lastly Michael Rich's digital Wellness lab based out
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  of Children's Hospital he is is is like describing better than
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  real life. His funding sources look like a
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  Las Vegas electronics trade show.
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  Just everyone or just like like all these companies that parents
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  are sort of concerned about are funding him like Roblox like and
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  then he says like, well, like screen time's not really a
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  problem. Like you're getting funded and,
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  and all, a lot of these organizations say we are
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  independent, but apparently that they have no recourse or
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  apparently they that they must not have a legal department.
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  That's like like awake to realize, like when you say we're
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  your independent and when you say things like like the
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  American Academy of Pediatrics, their science based side will
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  say screen time is a risk factor for obesity.
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  Meantime, the media side says it's not really like that.
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  You were opening yourself up. Do you know what the costs are
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  to treat child obesity and teen obesity in the United States?
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  It's billions and billions of dollars.
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  Apparently the American Academy of Pediatrics, there's no like
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  legal department that is aware of what they are doing because
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  they're putting themselves at risk like innocent.
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  And that's one thing for them, but they are throwing American
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  children under the, and worldwide, they're throwing kids
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  under the bus and putting them at risk for early disease and
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  early death. It's it's a mess.
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  That is so disturbing. I had no idea about the common
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  sense media. It's, it's a tragedy and parents
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  don't know this. And you know, common sense media
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  is brought into schools to educate kids.
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  It essentially acts like a Trojan horse marketing program.
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  We're going to, we're there to help you.
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  Like no, they get there and then like their 7th grade program for
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  kids and social media is, is like promoting kids social media
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  use and 7th graders are oftentimes 12 years old.
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  They're actually like they're not legally allowed to be on
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  most social media sites. That is a sham of an
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  organization that is, is essentially there to their
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  economic model is to put kids before screens.
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  Meanwhile, they're saying they're an independent body.
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  Again, they must not have a a legal department that's awake or
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  they really care. Just when you think you can't,
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  it can't get any worse. And I thought, I thought I was
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  as black billed as he could be. And you keep getting these
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  little surprises. And then you said that.
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  And so is it. Is it true that some of the most
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  effectively trained psychologists are using their
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  training to get kids more addicted through persuasive
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  design? Yes, you see that in the video
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  game and social media industry that like why in God's name or,
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  or psychologists employed by industry what?
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  Well, because they're their primary job is to secretly often
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  times manipulate behavior. And you will and to see how
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  social media has like social media has been turned into what
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  I call a super normal technology.
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  Super normal stimuli was invented by or or discovered by
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  Nicholas Hindberg and a Dutch biologist who won the Nobel
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  Prize for it. But like, oh, we're sold to you
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  as we're selling social media to you.
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  Is that's the place where your kids connect.
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  No, it's a scientific experiment on kids where you charted in a
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  super normal stimuli. As you take you, you hype it up,
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  you Jack it up, it becomes artificial and it and it does
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  two things that creates an addictive response and it
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  displaces real world engagement. So we see that with social
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  media, the the some of their early experiments where you take
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  these little songbirds and you paint these giant eggs, they
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  glow blue and put polka dots on them.
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  These little songbirds will ignore their real eggs, let them
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  die to like hop on these giant plastic eggs because it's going
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  right at their genes. So you for especially for our
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  girls who are really have an innate ability to socially
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  connect, industry is going to exploit that by creating a super
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  normal stimuli. They're going to quantify those
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  social connections. They're going to put numbers on
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  likes and followers and and photo tags and and they're going
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  to gamify that. It becomes a contest of who can
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  do that. And if you don't have the
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  appropriate number of likes and followers and photo tags and so
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  forth, you were ridiculed by your peers.
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  It is a toxic environment that purposefully created and
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  psychologists are brought into the social media industry to all
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  make that work much better, to create a product that is much
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  better at pulling kids away from vital real world to live
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  sedentary on screens. It's profoundly unethical.
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  With the American Psychological Association is doing it.
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  It makes me sick. I've LED a national campaign to
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  have the APA address this. I, I compare it to the last
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  scene of the Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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  Like how did they respond? The last scene of the Raiders of
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  the Lost Ark, They're, they're Wheeling the Ark of the Covenant
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  into the this, this labyrinthian warehouse, never to be seen
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  again. And they just essentially buried
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  this national. Campaign that was in the New
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  York Times and lots of other places, but the APA just
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  essentially, like I said, oh, we're going to push that off to
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  a committee. They've turned their back on, on
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  kids. It's it's troubling, it's
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  sickening. It's just really it's we're in a
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  really toxic environment right now where Healthcare is is
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  aiding and abetting Silicon Valley's exploitation of kids.
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  Any highlights you want to point out for your previous book Wire
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  Child? Wire child is really talking
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  about the the myths that are putting our kids before screens
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  industries really selling us on this on on these beliefs that
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  for example video games develop your kids self-control.
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  The research shows the opposite when your kids like what what
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  that research shows is like if your kids on a video and they'll
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  play a video game longer, but like the real research.
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  If kids spend a lot of time on a video games, they're not going
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  to perform as well in school. Like where the where they need
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  the real self-control or another one is is as our kids transition
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  from being a child to a preteen to A to a teen.
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  You'll hear so many parents today be convinced of the lie
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  that what Oh my kid needs their peers the most and today those
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  are they're found online in this environment.
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  So I need to turn my kid loose to this background where they
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  predictably get sad and depressed and it's been a in a
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  generation of girls cut and become suicidal.
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  Yes, because of some of the content that's there greatly
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  because of they are leaving behind the the families, the the
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  parents, the extended family, the siblings that love them and
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  and have their their love their that, you know, have their
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  unconditional love where kids then go chase this conditional
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  love of peers. It's again, that's a really
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  there's lots of myths that are the the industry has again sort
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  of had their minions, their handmaidens that claim that
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  their health bodies convince. The world that this is what
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  you're supposed to do so we've had this giant transition since
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  the early 2000s of blessing this world that kids live before
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  screens and it's and you'll see it from experts and you'll and
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  unfortunately a lot of healthcare providers have been
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  duped by that too. I'll have pediatricians like
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  after a talk, I'll do like say, oh, but what about this?
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  And they will be referencing common sense media, not an
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  understanding that common sense media takes millions of dollars
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  from industry and their job is to put kids before screens.
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  It's even these. Even our health experts don't
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  know the truth today. I've been speaking on this topic
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  for several years, including nationally.
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  And what I what I've come to realize is my hypothesis, and I
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  want to test it with you, is that most parents are not even
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  capable of doing what is good for their kids by not giving
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  them smartphones, social media, video games, because most
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  parents are most adults are just children in adult bodies and
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  they don't themselves have the self-control and maturity and
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  the emotional regulation that's moms are anxious, dads are weak
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  and it's like they're not even capable of doing what's right
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  for their kids. You've spoken about this topic
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  as well. What's your impression?
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  I would go more with I, I don't think we should.
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  I don't think this should be put singularly on parents because if
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  it is on parents, the only ones that are going to be able to do
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  that, and I don't know is is we moved is persuasive design.
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  This manipulative science incorporates more AI and we have
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  the world's most powerful computers that take buildings
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  and weigh hundreds and thousands of tons go after kids.
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  I don't even think this tech elite group are going to be able
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  to protect their kids. So I think it's to me, it's like
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  smoking. I think all these institute, I
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  think it can't be just put on parents to me, just like we
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  realized like we can't just have parents protect their kids from
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  smoking cigarettes. It needs to be schools, it needs
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  to be government. It needs to so you see states
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  now taking action and country saying we want to push back the
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  age when kids get social media. Like to me, that's what needs to
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  happen. Parents need support Today.
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  Parents are working like more and more and more hours.
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  And then they're sold this, this delicious, easy message that
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  what your kid needs most is a screen.
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  They're they're being lied to by the American Academy of
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  Pediatrics and Common sense Media, these big giant voices.
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  So I think parents are being duped.
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  I think we need to start, we need to shut that those lies
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  down and means to provide all parents, not just this small
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  sliver of tech elite, like real information.
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  You've spoken widely on this topic.
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  What advice do you have some to someone who wants to help
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  parents, wants to help people by speaking on this topic.
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  How do you, you know, getting, getting a appointment set up and
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  that sort of thing? I, I, I think the power of
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  coming together as, as a community, we've lived in these
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  small communities for forever. And if and if some group tried
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  to like of interlopers, like tried to move in on your kids
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  and your tribe, they'd be lucky to be to, to be run off like
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  good luck to them today. We need to wake up to realize
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  like there are these powerful groups that are working to
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  exploit kids and the, and the way to do that is to the way we
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  can protect kids is, is to really come together in groups
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  and faith-based communities and other places where we're going
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  to, you know, we're not going to follow this Silicon Valley
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  model. And we're, we know actually that
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  the people at the very top of it are protecting their kids.
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  We're going to follow that path. We're going to work together to
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  protect our kids. We're going to make a community
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  to protect our kids. We're going to do things like
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  push back the age when kids get smartphones, which is happening
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  earlier and earlier and wreaking havoc on our kids physically,
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  emotionally, academically. We're going to say like no our
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  in our group, like I don't understand why.
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  I think I would like to see more action from faith-based
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  communities and other community groups to say like no, but I I
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  think they've been Co opted or taken in by this really
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  powerful, what I call the Silicon Valley propaganda
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  machine. This this giant set of industry
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  funded lies. So I would like and then is is
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  your asking like let's let's look to science.
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  I know you know, Melanie Hempy, it's screen strong, like let's
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  go there and, and their organization is a they're not
• 25:38
  taking money from big tech and they are science based and
• 25:42
  they're working hard to bring that information forward.
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  Like let's, let's go to them and see what they what, what what
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  they say is is really helpful. They have a community there
• 25:53
  where parents can come together from around the nation and say
• 25:56
  how can we take action to to protect our kids and push back?
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  Do things like push back the age when kids get smartphones and
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  start playing video games and things of that sort.
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  Last question, where are you getting your motivation from?
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  Is it faith or where's it coming from?
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  Really good question. I am a psychologist in clinical
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  practice and I and I work in a My community has a lot of
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  working class families everyday hard working, amazing families.
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  They are the ones who are really really getting hurt by this.
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  And so I see them everyday and my clinical practice saying why.
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  Why is my son putting a fist through a wall when I ask him to
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  He's failing every single one of his classes.
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  I've tried to limit his video games.
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  Why did he put a fist through the wall?
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  Why did I need to call the police?
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  Because he's 200 lbs and my 17 year old pushed me like they
• 26:58
  don't know why this is happening.
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  Why did I lose my my, my, my kid like so that to see that and
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  then to see what I call the tech elite tout how their kids are
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  thriving emotionally and academically because they have
• 27:16
  not fallen for the Silicon Valley line to put kids before
• 27:20
  screens to see that that disconnect is is driven me to
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  to, to, to write and to bring this message forward.
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  I actually worked with someone exactly like you you described
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  and I had no idea how to help this person.
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  It's, it's really tough. I mean, what we really want to
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  do is, is, is if we're talking about families, we're kids when
• 27:47
  we, we have, whenever there's a medical situation in it and it's
• 27:51
  pervasive and we have a like a, a country of kids suffering from
• 27:55
  child obesity, We shouldn't focus on primarily on treatment.
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  Yes, if kids are having a problem, what we need to do is,
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  is primary prevention and the American Academy of Pediatrics
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  is it just completely given up on that completely been taken in
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  by their Media Group, which forgets about prevention.
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  It's, it's, it's tragic and it, you know, so that we're going to
• 28:17
  say that the Media Group in the American Academy of Pediatrics
• 28:20
  says screen time is not really a problem.
• 28:22
  Meanwhile, they're off the offices of pediatricians are
• 28:25
  filling up with kids that are are suffering and are likely to
• 28:32
  experience early death and type. They're experiencing type 2
• 28:35
  diabetes because they are living on a screen being shoved
• 28:39
  marketing to watch stuff. And they aren't moving out of
• 28:43
  their beds because, oh, because the Media Group has said screen
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  time isn't really a problem. Like you can't do that kind of
• 28:50
  stuff. So that these kind of things
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  just to see what my families that I work with and the
• 28:57
  families around the world not being told the truth and truly
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  being lied to, to their face, that like drives me to do this.
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  And so we really need to focus on on prevention because once
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  it's really hard to treat a kid, once they're game addicted, we
• 29:13
  can send them to centers, We can send them to places like that.
• 29:17
  Or if when we try to think a girl's smartphone away and she
• 29:21
  cuts up her arms like that's happening around the country,
• 29:24
  let's, why don't we understand that that smartphone and social
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  media was what led to this problem in the 1st place?
• 29:31
  And let's push back the age when kids get that.
• 29:36
  Was an excellent conversation Doctor Fried.
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  Any last words for us? Really appreciate you being on
• 29:43
  here. It's a it's really nice talking
• 29:45
  with you and it sounds like you understand so much of what is
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  happening. And I'm, I'm, I'm thank you very
• 29:52
  much for bringing this message forward.
• 29:54
  And also seems like you're very much working talk with others
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  who are then going to disseminate this message out
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  there further. And, and I think that that is
• 30:06
  that that's where that's this grassroots, what are we doing in
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  our community? Like I think that's where things
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  are are really going to move. Thank you.
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