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Collin Roach | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #79 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  It's another episode of the Christian we've podcast.
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  and enjoy this episode. Hello.
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  Welcome to another episode of the Christian we podcast.
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  Today's guest is a singer songwriter actor.
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  Music label owner, does it all all the way from New Jersey in
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  the u.s.a. his name is Colin roach, welcome to the show.
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  Colin, how you doing? I'm good.
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  Thank you for having me. How are you?
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  Yeah, very good. Thank you.
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  I was very interested in this because this is the first time
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  that I've actually gone through someone's agent to actually go
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  through to the interview. So it's interesting because your
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  agent reached out to me and then he A crazy thing.
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  So as I understand this correctly, you own the label and
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  you've signed yourself on the label so that you like the agent
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  is representing you, but they also work for you.
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  Is that right? Yeah.
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  Pretty right. That's that's really cool.
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  That's yeah, let's talk about that real quick.
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  So yeah, the label was known as yes squad or an abbreviation
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  that short for young entertainment super squad.
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  So why did you choose to set up this?
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  This label. How's it going?
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  And what do you owed to me? At least hope to achieve with
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  it. Well, when I was like 16 years
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  old, I kind of came up with the idea for it and that, pretty
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  much started off as like, okay, I want to make this like
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  entertainment label across the board.
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  So I don't want it to just be music.
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  I want to have 0, 0 goes from media, people kind of, just like
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  something that no one's ever done before like we've seen a
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  few things here and there, obviously there's tons of Music
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  labels out there, obviously. Now, with the growth of
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  tick-tock And then also some YouTubers you see, like
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  different YouTube labels and stuff like that, but I really
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  wanted to do something that no one's ever done before.
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  And so, I tried to build that up, and make an entertainment
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  label from there. Then, then I was, I was young, I
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  was like 16 17 didn't really know what I was doing only 19
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  now. So I'm only two years older but
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  now I kind of know a little bit more and more in the industry.
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  So about a year and a half ago, two years, I start I really
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  started focusing on the music label aspect of it so right now
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  it's pretty Much just a um it's really just a music label.
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  I'm working on building it farther, having it also be like
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  a modeling label or a slash agency and like different things
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  like that. So I'm really just trying to
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  build it as far as I can get it right now.
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  It's just a music label with me and into my artists and bands
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  that we all have signed right now.
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  So awesome. No props to you.
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  He's, I think it's a good move especially with what you were
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  saying about, see the popularity of websites like Tick-Tock or
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  even myself. I'm a 27 year old man, and for a
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  long time, I was like, I don't have any business on this
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  website, and then you see people my age older than I am doing
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  really, well, sort of good on these platforms and it kind of
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  makes you realize that really it's no longer generational
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  thing. It's just like the this is the
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  type of format. Now, this this is how you kind
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  of set up. I suppose an online persona, but
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  the trouble is a lot of these people are just managing
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  themselves, and it does get to a point where you Do not kind of
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  need some representation like, I know for myself, you know, okay,
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  I'm nowhere near, you know, being some big sort of content
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  creator but I've already seen that, you know, when I look at
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  all of my work like I need help right now for sure because I
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  just don't have enough time and I can see that like the more you
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  do the more popular you get the to be the less time you have.
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  So I think it's it makes sense to have some sort of a label
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  that represents all of that. And I think possibly the thing
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  that makes your Different versus anything else.
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  Is that kind of fact that it is multi content as opposed to just
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  one thing because I don't know. Like we're not when I was
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  looking through this, I suppose let's call it resume.
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  When I was looking through all of your you know your
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  information and stuff. It kind of made me realize that
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  a lot of people in your generation and my generation
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  don't really tend to stick to like one thing anymore.
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  You know, used to be, you know, you meet someone in a
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  conversation. You go.
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  Or what do you do like? What, what's your profession?
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  And yeah, there are people. That do sort of commit to one
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  sort of Avenue but a lot of the time it's not the case.
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  Like, you know, I think for me years ago, working with kind of
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  creative things, like it all started with music, but then I
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  don't know when I started acting as I do, this is kind of similar
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  to the feeling of performing on stage but it's different somehow
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  it's it kind of gives you almost more creative creativity in a
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  sense. That's I see the same thing.
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  Like right now with my career it's like I don't like when
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  people Like whoa, what are you? I don't even know what to say
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  because it's like, yes, I'm an actor but I've like, I fell in
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  love with music when I was three years old.
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  I've been making music every since I've only been producing
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  and professionally releasing music for about two years.
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  Now, just releasing my own first single this Friday.
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  So it's like my an actor, my music artist.
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  What do I do here? I started just kind of say
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  Entertainer, really, before we get to your single because we
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  will talk about that. Yeah, I totally agree with you.
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  I kind of I leave Vas a Entertainer or multi content
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  creator. That seems to be quite
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  all-encompassing, I don't know, but it's weird.
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  Because sometimes like, sometimes when I do live streams
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  and people ask me like, well what do you do?
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  I'm like, who and then I begin this long list of things that I
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  did and it's not a flex or me trying to show up, though.
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  It's just genuinely like, how do you sum this up in a way where
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  it doesn't, okay. You're not under selling
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  yourself, that's the key. Because if you miss one thing,
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  like I've done it before you meant that sometimes I don't
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  mention acting and Okay, I'm not professional but it is a big
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  part of what I do. You know, I've had some voice
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  acting gigs, for example, I've done some independent stuff so
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  there is an argument for it and that's what I always based my
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  opinion on his. Like, have I got paid for it.
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  If I've got paid for it, I can consider myself a, at least
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  working at that food. But anyway, and I really
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  actually good thing. It's, you don't want to
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  undersell yourself, but then at the same time, it feels like
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  once you start going through that laundry list, it's like
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  some people may Oprah Tazo, he's just bragging and upselling
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  himself, but it's like, no, I just do a lot.
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  That's, that's the tricky thing as well because it's like, if
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  you don't talk about yourself, then then just no one knows
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  about you. Yeah.
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  And it's such a big part of, you know, like you said, you know,
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  your labels focused on including that social media angle and
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  stuff like that. And it's so important.
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  I mean Marketing in general, if you're trying to grow a brand,
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  you need to be able to sell yourself.
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  You need to be a Salesman. Creative as far as, like,
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  artistic things are concerned, you know, like how the brand
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  looks and stuff and then, yeah. How you talk to people, how you
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  discuss things with people, you know, like one of the things I'm
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  surprised by sometimes is it's not really that surprising, but
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  I guess it makes sense. It's like, every time I have a
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  guest on this show, they never know what to expect and it's
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  that. I understand that because it's
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  like you don't necessarily have the time to go and check out
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  what I do. Right.
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  But you know, I've been on some podcasts Been very relaxed and
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  there's nothing wrong with that, but I don't know.
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  I naturally like to make mine a bit more professional because
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  I'm sort of going for a particular thing with this.
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  And I always noticed this like little kind of like oh, kind of
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  like, oh okay, that's surprising wasn't expecting that.
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  And it's like but that's the thing like when you put forward
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  a particular brand and star, you've got a kind of I feel
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  operate in the same manner all the time.
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  So what I mean by that is you know, if I'm reaching out to you
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  by email or on social Social media and professional the whole
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  way through, you know, I'm not gonna be like, hey pal, how's it
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  going? I want to have a chat.
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  Like, I just don't feel like that that really fits, and it's
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  a beer. I feel the same way in, like,
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  especially with when I first started off my label and even
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  now a lot of the people that work with me and even some of
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  the artists. I also, we all started off as
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  friends first before anything. And so now, even if I'm talking
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  to them about, like, music stuff, or if I'm like, hey, like
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  I have this artist Like You. Try and do feature with them
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  like all email, like thirty one of the artists that sign lives
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  about five houses away from me there.
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  One of my best friends. And I'm if I talk to him about
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  music, it's complete like email, professional everything, like
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  that. And especially with even in my
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  career, like, I'm not anything really yet.
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  I'm trying to be and so it's like it's very easy for me and I
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  feel like what helps me out. A lot is a lot of times like
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  when you make, when you try and make Contacts and you try and
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  talk to people, some people just be like, hey, bro, like I have
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  this song or you could do it the professional way.
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  I feel like that gets you a few steps farther.
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  When you do it that way, it puts me off, I'll be honest.
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  Like I get people reach out to me quite often and you know I
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  think the whole thing about because I let this okay I'll
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  explain briefly about my background so you know studied
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  at University marketing business background marketing basically.
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  And one of the things I learned Right off the bat is when you're
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  reaching out to businesses, you get a million emails a day and
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  most of that you can't be bothered to look at because
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  there's a million emails a day. So if someone is like just
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  sending you, that bog standard kind of template stuff, you're
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  not going to read that and equally on the other end of the
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  spectrum, if it's way too informal or just, I don't know.
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  There's no kind of Personal Touch there.
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  It's just like, oh, hey, would you be interested in
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  collaborating, blah, blah, blah. It's like, no, like, I'm a Busy
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  guy and I don't think it's that unreasonable to expect people to
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  be professional and and to tell because here's the way it is,
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  the way I look at it, right? You're dealing with someone's
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  time and time you don't get back.
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  So you should respect people's time.
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  Should not waste their time. You know.
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  It's one of the reasons I take this so seriously I mean it's
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  you know, I look at it as a way of you know, it is a collab.
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  It is a way of promoting the person.
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  It's a way of obviously help. Me as well by gauging your
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  audience and so on, you know, let's be transparent, but at the
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  same time, you know, it should be an enjoyable experience.
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  It should be interesting to The Listener and it should be done
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  in a professional way. I don't know, like I just feel
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  like if you don't do that you're missing out on something.
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  You're kind of cheating people a little bit.
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  Yeah. Like that.
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  I don't know if with people I've talked to some people to and
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  they're like, oh well, I'm just, I just want to have fun.
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  It's like I love doing this. I just want to have fun and I'm
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  like, that's all All fine and good was like if you want to
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  have finding you truly love doing this.
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  You can do it professional and still have fun with it.
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  And honestly the more professional you are.
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  When it comes to interactions, the more you'll get the
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  opportunity to do it. I think this is why I like
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  podcasting because it's long form.
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  Like I've seen a lot of interview, like a funnily
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  enough, I was watching something earlier in the sky was reacting
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  to bad interviews, right? And the whole thing that was
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  going through my head, that time is like, man.
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  If I had like that, My show, I'd have all these different
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  questions to ask them, but this idiot asked them, something
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  about inappropriate or something silly and you can just sometimes
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  like, I see the, I don't know. You get someone like, I don't
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  know, Billy eyelashes. Something should be sitting
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  there and you can just see the disappointment.
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  Yeah, but they don't say nothing and it's probably her PR officer
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  going. Hey, you know what?
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  Just keep it professional. Don't, you know, because you do
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  always have to think about that. You can't kind of go Rogue and
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  get annoyed because then that would be all over the, you know,
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  there's something you've got to Consider but the same time it's
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  like how can you not be aggravated?
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  You know there's one particular one and this would be the final
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  story before we get back to get back to business.
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  It was that there was a coral Diwali Cara Delevingne got him
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  right into this very famous one where she's just.
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  Yeah very disappointed and the hosts are acting like she's the
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  problem and they even go as far as to say oh you know maybe you
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  should go get yourself a Red Bull and change the attitude and
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  you just sitting there like, oh yeah.
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  I watch a lot of interviews like that because I'm so I like I'm,
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  like I said before I go, I'm still very new in this space and
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  trying, I'm still learning every single day that I move over to.
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  I like watch interviews and stuff, especially now, as I'm
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  kind of like, on this like press run and if you will like, I'm
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  like I watch other interviews. I try and learn like both ways
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  like how to act and what to learn stuff I watch interviews
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  like that. And sometimes you're like, wow,
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  some interviewers just don't know what they're working with,
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  and Then some people that are being interviewed just are
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  horrible at it. It's like, I mean well, I will
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  say in defense of interviewees is that I think it, it totally
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  goes up to podcaster. You know, I've had all sorts of
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  guests on my show, I've had very extroverted, very introverted.
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  I think the host has to take a different role.
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  So if you meet someone that's very chatty you take a side
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  seat, you just guide the conversation.
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  If you get, someone is bit quiet, then you need to focus on
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  ourselves. In the right questions you need
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  to ignite that because everyone has something to offer.
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  Like I don't believe in this concept of a bad guest.
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  I mean I think that if someone comes on with a bad attitude and
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  doesn't want to answer anything and is deliberately doing that
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  and then okay, fair enough. But like how many times has that
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  realistically ever happened? You know, a lot of the time.
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  It's like they don't feel comfortable, like you get
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  someone. I don't know.
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  Let's say like one of those late show tonight tonight shirts
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  because in a couple of years, you're going to be on one of
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  those. It's so just bear this in mind.
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  You know, you get one of those insufferable hosts like Jimmy
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  Fallon or something, you know the drill, it's an entertainment
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  thing, he asks you maybe three or four serious questions and
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  the rest is Banter and you have a laugh, right?
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  But at the same time if you go in there with a bad attitude and
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  you take yourself way too seriously, I think that's where
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  you get caught up because it's like you need to know what to
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  expect. Like if you got like Larry King
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  when he was alive, if you go on that show that's going to be a
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  very serious interview. We're going to be any messing
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  around, but unlike a Jimmy Fallon show, it's just going to
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  be a lot. So just take it for what it is,
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  but I think sometimes guests that come on and I understand
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  it's like, you know, you mentioned that you're on the
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  Press run right now, as though, as you get more famous and more
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  and more serious in the industry, you're going to be
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  doing a lot. You probably be doing like, I
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  don't know 50 to 100 interviews in a day and you'll be
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  knackered. So like maybe I can understand
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  the slight aggravation, but at the same time I think we always
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  have Have to remember like if you are a famous person you're
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  on camera like you gotta you gotta kind of keep that in mind
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  and I don't know if it were me. I think I just load myself up on
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  coffee and just yeah, just And it's also take I feel like some
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  people have to just really sit back and just remember, what am
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  I doing this for? Like when you're on the Press
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  trying stuff like that and you're going from place to place
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  to place. You have to remember you're
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  doing that in order to help yourself and that's putting
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  yourself out there and gaining traction and fans that you
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  probably weren't going to have. Before I just, I was actually
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  just having this conversation in the car like two days ago.
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  With my mom were sitting in the car.
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  I think it was my mom and was like yeah.
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  Like when you watch like interviews and stuff and you You
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  watch the people do like the wired autocomplete interviews,
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  and then the chief who interviews and you go through
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  them. Like a lot of times, if you look
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  that person is wearing the same exact clothes and they've just
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  had a straight day of going through all of those interviews
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  at once. Yeah.
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  And they know what's up like I'd imagined that when you have to
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  do those days. I mean I think if you know if I
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  was a PR manager for someone I give them the next day off make
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  sure they do nothing as a rest day but sort of prime them.
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  Hey for the next 10 hours maybe more you're going to be doing
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  straight. Interviews.
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  So just bear that in mind and this is all on camera.
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  See if you say anything, make sure it's positive.
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  But at the same time, you know what?
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  Like again on the defense of the interviewees, particularly those
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  ones where it's round and round, like from what I understand
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  particularly on movie ones and stuff, you sit down and you're
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  in a room and then like 50 or so different interviews coming one
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  after the other. So you going to get asked a lot
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  of similar questions so I think as an interviewer, you need to
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  keep that in mind and try to think about well, So what people
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  have people not likely to have asked them what stuff that's
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  going to ignite a discussion a conversation and yeah, obviously
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  not having an agenda, that's one of the things I always aim to do
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  with this show is it's like I want to give people a platform
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  to promote themselves. I want to have fun discussions
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  or people to walk away and go, you know, I had a good time and
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  also to kind of feel like they got something out of it for
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  everyone involved and you know sometimes people come in the
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  show and you know, for instance, The bit before like viewers
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  won't know this. So I'll, I'll explain its and my
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  listeners, I always do a little thing before the show starts
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  where I ask the guests, if they have any questions, anything off
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  limits, whatever because I want the guests to feel 100%
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  comfortable. And the reason I kind of do that
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  as well is to sort of say, hey, there's no agenda here.
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  This is exactly how it is, you know, it's because I accept that
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  not everyone has the time to check out the show because
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  they're busy like doing stuff. We don't really appreciate, you
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  know, it's like with me people Get out how hey check this thing
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  out and it's like if I got time and that's not meant to be rude,
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  it's the truth, you know? But and this is a good segue,
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  bringing it back to you. I was able to listen to your
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  music and I actually got to hear the upcoming track before it was
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  released. So I feel very special, but
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  here's an interesting thing. So you were or are a rapper
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  yeah, and You kind of, you've got a bit of a different kind of
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  style going on here right now, because your old stuff is
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  straight rapping. But then this new single that's
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  dropped. It's more kind of like
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  rock-oriented. Like I was sitting there
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  listening to it. I was like oh this is like
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  Taking Back Sunday or something. I love them this.
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  So all over the place when it comes to my music like even just
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  what I make and what I listen to, I feel like growing up with
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  and it was like it depended on what car out.
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  Then if I was going somewhere with my mom, it was like biggie,
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  50 Cent like Joe Budden like rap music but then my dad who also
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  is very instruments and he plays guitar, he plays pretty much
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  every instrument. There is all cool and I was in
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  the car with him. It was more like rock and like
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  jazz. And so I feel like just growing
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  up I was introduced to so many different types of music as I
• 18:44
  got older like I learned because I feel like for me I learned
• 18:48
  more of how to create music through hip-hop.
• 18:51
  I learned more producing. And so that's kind of where I
• 18:54
  started off. But I had all these loves for
• 18:57
  all these other styles of music, like I started kind of working
• 19:00
  with that more. So and going, farther ahead with
• 19:03
  those. And so that's pretty much like
• 19:05
  where I am now, like the last couple of music book, last
• 19:10
  couple of things that I've worked on it kind of been like a
• 19:12
  real 50/50 split between like rock pop and like rapid all in
• 19:17
  one. So I don't even know if I would
• 19:19
  consider myself like a rapper at this point or what?
• 19:22
  Just because I So many different Lanes like okay well this is
• 19:27
  interesting. So do you think your kind of
• 19:30
  okay what's the best way to phrase this question?
• 19:35
  It's clear that this is an experiment and experimentation
• 19:38
  phase but it's interesting. Like you said, you've been in
• 19:40
  the game for two years. You put out this more
• 19:42
  rock-oriented stuff and you say, well I'm not sure I considered
• 19:46
  myself a rapper anymore, but you're not saying I will never
• 19:48
  do rapper ever again. What you're saying is, we're
• 19:52
  figuring this stuff out right now.
• 19:53
  Yes, in where it goes. So this single is more
• 19:57
  rock-oriented, but it's probably going to come either on an EP or
• 20:01
  extended play. Well, we talked in.
• 20:02
  Is it going to be an album? Yeah.
• 20:05
  Pretty much farther down the line, kind of working on one
• 20:07
  right now. Okay, gotten that much to do
• 20:11
  with it yet. But even like with that, I feel
• 20:14
  like right now would have working on is more like a more
• 20:16
  of a concept album honestly. So like right now this is just
• 20:20
  like one piece of like the full story from the obviously with
• 20:23
  just the many ways that I mean it even being an actor in like I
• 20:27
  kind of say writer almost but not really.
• 20:29
  I haven't made anything. That's been produced really like
• 20:32
  script wise but um It kind of was like What if we told a movie
• 20:38
  through songs. So front to back.
• 20:40
  It's so this is just one piece of like the small story but with
• 20:44
  each song to I also try and make it so that even if you just hear
• 20:48
  that one song that is interesting and it's not just
• 20:51
  like a well this makes no sense. So reminds me a lot of this
• 20:56
  band. Wow they've been around forever.
• 20:59
  There's this metal band called Dream Theater.
• 21:02
  It's like a progressive metal band and they Famously over the
• 21:05
  years have had albums, which do the exact same thing and I was
• 21:09
  introduced to them when I was growing up, I think I was
• 21:12
  younger than you are now and it blew me away.
• 21:15
  This concept of having an album which does exactly what you just
• 21:18
  said. So if you listen to it out of
• 21:20
  context, just a great song. If you put it together it tells
• 21:24
  a story and they would do bookends.
• 21:27
  So like one album leads into the next and I don't know, I think
• 21:31
  it's like it's more inclusive. Isn't it's like you kind of
• 21:34
  makes You feel if your a fan it makes you feel like you're part
• 21:37
  of something special, you know? And that's why I think it's very
• 21:41
  natural thing to do with with music.
• 21:43
  Because music is storytelling fundamentally, you're telling a
• 21:46
  story of a feeling, an emotion thought, a place a memory
• 21:50
  whatever. So this is just taking it one
• 21:53
  step further and applying like a more.
• 21:57
  Well, I suppose, the long-term storytelling a bigger a bigger
• 22:00
  thing. Yeah.
• 22:01
  Very much. Like I was just kind of
• 22:03
  basically just Like we're you slightly talking about before
• 22:07
  like it's a mixed to of like both like rap and rock.
• 22:12
  And it's pretty much got everything involved in it too
• 22:14
  and is really just kind of I did I was creating this also, I
• 22:18
  wanted to challenge myself usually how I work before was.
• 22:22
  All right, I write this song record it makes it master in the
• 22:26
  house done get it out there with this.
• 22:30
  I came up with the idea of so basically in On my phone and on
• 22:35
  paper, I have every single song that is going to be at least
• 22:41
  started off in the story. I have it written down already
• 22:44
  just title. Some of them aren't even written
• 22:45
  yet. Some just have instrumentals but
• 22:48
  I have the whole idea. Basically, I kind of go through
• 22:52
  each song is pretty much almost like a scene if you will and
• 22:55
  like with each one. I'm like, okay.
• 22:56
  I want to talk about this and have this part be plugged into
• 22:59
  it. And so, basically, if it fits
• 23:02
  more of a hip-hop sound, it's more hip-hop.
• 23:04
  It's like rock then it's that and what I've been doing a lot
• 23:08
  now is I used to do everything from my house and I don't have
• 23:13
  like a home studio, but I have pretty much everything I need to
• 23:17
  get a good sound out of like the house, basically, but what I've
• 23:20
  been doing lately is just I record the demos at my house and
• 23:23
  then I bring it to the studio and then we recorded all their.
• 23:26
  So it kind of even it's more of a step in evolution as well and
• 23:30
  getting everything more connected.
• 23:32
  I got to say the interesting thing for me, A about this is
• 23:35
  that your generation and merger and that sounds so weird.
• 23:38
  We said because I don't feel that old, but there is a
• 23:40
  generational divide, but it's fascinating to me because when I
• 23:43
  was growing up, You know, I grew up with Rock and metal.
• 23:46
  I loved hip-hop and everything else.
• 23:49
  And I was just on a side note, I think when you become a
• 23:52
  musician, you just learn to love everything.
• 23:54
  I mean, you said yourself, you grew up in a family of
• 23:56
  musicians, you know. You just learn to appreciate
• 23:59
  everything and you realize that it's not that dissimilar.
• 24:01
  It's just different interpretations of the same
• 24:04
  thing, really? Yeah.
• 24:06
  But anyway, yeah, like I always kind of saw things like pop
• 24:10
  hip-hop as like, within their own kind of spheres.
• 24:13
  So like if I went and listened to Pop, you know, I had a
• 24:16
  certain feeling. If I went to listen to metal,
• 24:18
  add a certain feeling and interpret a tenant to some
• 24:20
  extent, I still feel that way, but and bring it to the point.
• 24:24
  Now, I'm starting to hear musicians that grew up in the
• 24:28
  same. Even the same kind of generation
• 24:31
  is me, or in your generation who kind of heard all of that select
• 24:34
  pop, punk rock, hip-hop, and love it all.
• 24:37
  And shout-out to ugly, boy, click.
• 24:40
  So, that's one of the guests I had on my Show recently and they
• 24:42
  do something like that. Where it's kind of punk rap.
• 24:46
  I don't know. I still don't understand this.
• 24:48
  Sorry guys, but it's fascinating because it Blends all of those
• 24:51
  things and it puts them together and it's like almost like a
• 24:54
  whole new genre in a sense. Yeah.
• 24:57
  You're lying right now? There's like a great deal of
• 24:59
  experimentation in general. Like even with things like rap,
• 25:02
  you've got like trap which is become such a big thing now and
• 25:05
  it's yeah. I mean, it was already starting
• 25:08
  when I was growing up but now it's like become mainstream and
• 25:10
  that's the fascinating thing. Yeah, I think it's I think it's
• 25:13
  awesome the way. Music is kind of evolving.
• 25:16
  It's I feel like there's different ways to look at it and
• 25:18
  depend, it really just all depends on how you look at it.
• 25:21
  Like I know a lot of times there is these rappers and stuff that
• 25:24
  kind of made like popped up and became big in like the 90s or
• 25:29
  early 2000s. They absolutely hate the
• 25:31
  direction of hip-hop's. Going a break, I understand what
• 25:35
  they're saying but I feel like when you look at it you still
• 25:38
  have solid hip hop artists and now you also have like these
• 25:42
  chap artists to and it's like, if You box them together and
• 25:45
  make them one big thing. Then I understand where there's
• 25:48
  a disconnect but I just feel like overall.
• 25:51
  It's becoming to a point where hip-hop is like the hold of like
• 25:56
  8,000 sub genres. It's exciting.
• 25:59
  I don't understand those classic rappers.
• 26:02
  Yeah, I've even had people at Snoop Dogg's, then ago, it's all
• 26:04
  trash. I don't get it.
• 26:05
  It's just Evolution. It happens in every single
• 26:08
  genre. It's and it's, I don't know, I
• 26:11
  mean for me. Yeah.
• 26:12
  The best days in rap will always be He's and well 80s 90s 2000s
• 26:17
  but that's just my personal view.
• 26:19
  I still hear stuff today, that's new that's fire and I'm like
• 26:22
  wall is hits hard but it is a generational thing, you know,
• 26:28
  whatever you grow up with, you look through with rose-tinted
• 26:31
  glasses, you know? I mean it whether or not it's
• 26:33
  actually better or not, is or music subjective anyway, but I
• 26:38
  think there's certainly more experimentation now than there
• 26:42
  ever was before. I mean, I remember the day Is
• 26:44
  when Robin racket? I can't even speak properly.
• 26:48
  Nice, apologize, rap and rock together was considered like a
• 26:52
  big thing. Whereas these days it's not but
• 26:54
  like you know, it's just a progression of all things and I
• 26:57
  don't know man. I think that's just maybe it's
• 27:02
  an out-of-touch thing, I don't know.
• 27:04
  I mean, you know, it is certain people.
• 27:06
  I said this only the other day on a another podcast episode
• 27:09
  that think it was Gene Simmons. He's always like saying stuff
• 27:13
  about like how he How where's Rock has gone and it's like dude
• 27:17
  things change. I mean imagine how crap it would
• 27:20
  be, if like all music just remain the same for like 10-15
• 27:24
  years. I mean, it's and feeling it's
• 27:27
  pretty much, no matter what happens.
• 27:29
  I feel like people are going to end up hating it then because if
• 27:32
  music remain the same up until this point bands, like Motley
• 27:35
  Crue kiss and like all those, they'd be like, oh, we started
• 27:39
  that were the first ones to do that.
• 27:41
  They're just copying us and then something original pops up and
• 27:44
  then people are like, oh what they're doing is horrible, what
• 27:47
  we did was what was the best. I think a big thing is with this
• 27:50
  as well is that like music is very reminiscent of its time.
• 27:55
  So like if you listen to 80's music, I mean I don't know for
• 27:58
  me, I kind of discovered it through playing like GTA Vice
• 28:01
  City, thats for me shower but like, I don't know.
• 28:04
  It feels like a Vibe. It kind of transports you.
• 28:07
  If you go watch 80s movies, you get an idea of what it was like,
• 28:11
  yes, it is absolutely important. Like the time, like you You can
• 28:15
  plug any song in to its time period of like a movie or even
• 28:20
  like a video and you can be like okay that was what this time was
• 28:24
  like. Yeah.
• 28:25
  Right. Yeah.
• 28:26
  I feel like it's no different now.
• 28:28
  Yeah. Like I feel like the best
• 28:29
  example is like when you like take any video from like the
• 28:34
  inner cities in California in the 90s and plug in n.w.a. song
• 28:37
  it and you're like oh that's what that time was like or even
• 28:42
  you take like you put a cycle on the street and just take a video
• 28:46
  of that from like the 80s 90s, throw Motley Crue song in your
• 28:50
  like that. Was that time.
• 28:51
  That's Kickstart My Heart. That's dr.
• 28:54
  Feelgood all that amazing stuff, right?
• 28:57
  Let's bring it back to you. So this single you've got
• 29:00
  dropping out for everyone listening right now.
• 29:03
  This would be dropping tomorrow. So as I understand your single
• 29:06
  is dropping on the 26th, is that correct?
• 29:08
  Yes. What's the name of the title of
• 29:10
  the song? Cog Cutthroat Insomniac caught
• 29:13
  for insomniac. Please everyone listening, go
• 29:16
  check that out. When it does drop.
• 29:17
  Where can they listen to the track on all streaming platforms
• 29:21
  wherever they decide to listen to music?
• 29:23
  And can they find it fryer? Your name.
• 29:25
  Collin roach always under a different name.
• 29:28
  It's under my name column richer cool awesome going to be adding
• 29:30
  that to my Spotify. It's good stuff and stuff.
• 29:33
  So yeah, so on the 26th make sure you go stream.
• 29:35
  That's an excellent song. Like I said, very very
• 29:38
  reminiscent of those 2000s, kind of alternative rock bands.
• 29:42
  It was a breath of fresh air because I don't know what I
• 29:44
  Expected. But, you know, every time I
• 29:46
  listen to music ends that I have on the show, it's always fun and
• 29:50
  I often end up just putting it in my Spotify because it's like,
• 29:53
  yeah, good sir. So, here's an interesting
• 29:58
  question. What's your kind of songwriting
• 30:00
  process? Like, because I feel like every
• 30:02
  somewhere I've had on the show, myself included, we will have
• 30:05
  different approaches, different ways, different sources of
• 30:07
  inspiration. But what's yours our minds,
• 30:11
  honestly, very interesting because I, when it, To my songs.
• 30:15
  I usually produce them all myself to.
• 30:17
  And so it all pretty much they all start off like, in my room.
• 30:21
  And I, I used to just be like, okay, I feel like working on
• 30:24
  music right now, but as of recently, it's been like, if it
• 30:28
  comes to me, I wait for it to kind of hit me first.
• 30:30
  And if I get it, then I'm like, all right, let's lay this part
• 30:34
  of the, the instrumental. And let's do this part, and I
• 30:36
  kind of work that out. And then Honestly most recently
• 30:40
  I've kind of found myself not really writing lyrics, as much
• 30:43
  as I am kind of coming up with them in my head like a lot of
• 30:47
  times my courses and my Hooks and all that.
• 30:49
  Now those I don't usually write them down anymore.
• 30:52
  That's kind of like. All right.
• 30:54
  I like think of like this one part and I kind of roll with it
• 30:57
  through there until I'm like ready to go up to the mic and
• 30:59
  record it. So my songwriting process is
• 31:02
  kind of just I start off with the instrumental and then from
• 31:07
  there, I go into The hooks, the lyrics.
• 31:12
  And then once I get the lyrics done and I'm like, straight to
• 31:14
  recording, I used to really come up with the lyrics.
• 31:18
  First, like, I used to hear a song and then I was like, oh,
• 31:21
  this song is sick. Let me write this lie.
• 31:23
  I will, if I am, is on this song.
• 31:25
  I want to add say this, this this and this, and then I'd be
• 31:28
  like, okay. Now let me make a beat that's
• 31:32
  but like the same BPM at least so that I have the same like
• 31:36
  delivery. But then I kind of found myself.
• 31:39
  Myself. Almost, I wouldn't say copying
• 31:41
  artist, but every song I listen to, I was like, that sounds.
• 31:45
  Just like this. So now I'm really kind of
• 31:47
  stepping into like my own where everything's pretty much like an
• 31:50
  original sound for me, basically, It's Tricky not to do
• 31:53
  that. I mean, I remember listening to
• 31:55
  I think it was an Avenged Sevenfold record one time and I
• 32:00
  remember thinking, like, oh this sounds a lot, like I'm, oh,
• 32:02
  Pantera or something. And then I read the interviews
• 32:05
  that they made and they were like, yeah, you know, at the
• 32:07
  time we were listening to a lot of Pantera Like I like the
• 32:10
  transparency. It's like it's okay to be to be
• 32:13
  inspired by things, that's just how music works.
• 32:16
  And I don't think ever music is ever really truly original.
• 32:19
  It's always inspired by something before it.
• 32:22
  But it's, you know, obviously you want to do, like, your own
• 32:26
  take, or your own interpretation, and that's what
• 32:28
  makes it unique and different and such.
• 32:30
  Yeah. When I was working on this, I
• 32:32
  kind of like the what I was always like to talk when I was
• 32:35
  telling people, like about it when I was like first working
• 32:37
  on, it was like, it's kind of like Like if and no way am I
• 32:41
  saying like oh this is as good as Nirvana.
• 32:43
  But it like I was like if I was like Nirvana guitar was in
• 32:48
  modern day music, I was like that with like Billie Joe
• 32:53
  Armstrong angst, almost in the vocals, it's interesting to me.
• 32:57
  I do wonder about this, like if Nevada had emerged like now
• 33:00
  would they be as successful? And I think in some ways yes.
• 33:04
  And in some ways no it's a very interesting industry.
• 33:08
  Now, the music Is changed so much.
• 33:10
  And I mean, even just the way that you become famous now, like
• 33:15
  I hear so many musicians that deserve so much more credit than
• 33:19
  they have right now. And then I see people in the
• 33:22
  charts that all right, you know? Yeah.
• 33:27
  I mean, I think I'm less kind of, I think when I was growing
• 33:29
  up, I used to be a bit more like Earth.
• 33:31
  How can you listen to this garbage in the in the charts and
• 33:33
  then tell me that what I listen to is bad but that I don't know,
• 33:36
  maybe that's just 2000s. British pop.
• 33:39
  But it was America. There was American stuff that
• 33:41
  went great either but like now when I listen to most stuff in
• 33:45
  the charts I feel like then the quality is much better that song
• 33:49
  writing is much better. I don't know.
• 33:53
  I feel like that's because nowadays it's like anyone has
• 33:57
  the opportunity to release their music for everyone here.
• 34:00
  Like it wasn't until recently that that was even possible.
• 34:05
  It used to be. So if you want anyone to hear
• 34:07
  your music, you either need to like right.
• 34:09
  Sleep outside of like the radio station in, wait, in the walk-in
• 34:13
  and hand them, your CD. Really.
• 34:15
  You got a or no one's going to even hear your song until you've
• 34:18
  officially like made it. Now, people have the
• 34:22
  opportunity. You want you make a song, you
• 34:24
  think it's good. Even if you don't think it's
• 34:25
  good, you put it on Soundcloud, put it on YouTube.
• 34:28
  And especially now, it's like, even anyone has the ability to
• 34:33
  just put their songs on, like, Spotify, Apple music all that.
• 34:37
  And so I feel like with that, Especially now with Tick-Tock.
• 34:41
  Yeah any song has the chance to be discovered now Tik toks been
• 34:45
  that great. So especially for me live found
• 34:47
  so many songs on there that totally my vibe and I feel like
• 34:51
  I don't know for sure that this happens but I would wager it
• 34:55
  probably does. It seems to know or guess you're
• 35:00
  kind of taste in music because I hear a lot like, Indie stuff on
• 35:05
  there and I wrap stuff that I like and it's like, Okay, so I
• 35:10
  think they're kind of doing exactly what every other
• 35:12
  platform is doing like gathering information and data on you.
• 35:16
  But then kind of recommending stuff that you would like.
• 35:19
  And I'm like, yes, I absolutely like this and it's great for me
• 35:22
  when I first like my first like introduction and Tick-Tock of
• 35:26
  that make sense, was my girlfriend had ticked off and
• 35:28
  I'd like see The Tick-Tock she was watching.
• 35:30
  I was like, why do you enjoy this and any of this but then I
• 35:35
  like got on sick talking. I started like watching Tic tocs
• 35:37
  and stuff and eventually. Really like you're saying it
• 35:40
  builds like your fur you page where it's like what you
• 35:42
  actually like and I was like, oh my God like I love this.
• 35:46
  Yes no it for real. Yeah, I mean I think everyone
• 35:49
  goes through that stage like I set up a tick tock last year,
• 35:52
  did it for like three or four months had some old fun with it.
• 35:55
  You know, some interest here and there and then I just thought
• 35:59
  probably too old for their so it's silly.
• 36:01
  So I gave it up and then I started it recently and it's
• 36:04
  been doing really, really well and I've been actually kind of
• 36:08
  playing the game a little Bit more.
• 36:09
  So I use music on there. I'd kind of have fun with the
• 36:13
  things that you normally don't know how to put it, you know,
• 36:16
  like the trends that stuff, right?
• 36:18
  And and one big thing that I do that tends to do well, is like
• 36:21
  skits and stuff. So basically, like Vine but, you
• 36:24
  know, sometimes when the music sometimes not and I don't know,
• 36:28
  I think Tick-Tock is kind of a breath of fresh air because it
• 36:31
  Blends music with everything really well.
• 36:34
  It inspires people. There are no kind of rules.
• 36:37
  You can do like pretty much Anything, and you can get big on
• 36:40
  there, pretty pretty easily. And I'm very quickly that's such
• 36:44
  a great thing, but also such a hurtful thing for those people
• 36:48
  that are getting big at the same time because I'm not obviously
• 36:51
  not going to say somebody's name but there is a tick talker who
• 36:53
  has like a couple million followers.
• 36:56
  Ryan didn't have any management team or anything like that.
• 36:58
  She's just big on her own, right?
• 37:00
  And I like reached, we reached out to her for promotion, for
• 37:04
  not one of my songs about it. One of the artists I work with
• 37:07
  and the price she gave Was way too low and obviously you're
• 37:13
  like, oh wow. Like yeah, I'm gonna jump on
• 37:15
  that. But for, do you say the price?
• 37:18
  Yeah, the price she gave her emotion was and like her race
• 37:21
  were extremely low. Yeah.
• 37:23
  For the amount of followers she has and it's like the more that
• 37:27
  I like we Network and talk to people.
• 37:29
  The more I realize a lot of them, don't know what they're
• 37:32
  doing and they're turning into these stars but they don't have
• 37:37
  a management team or anything and there.
• 37:39
  Almost going to be a point where they end up hurting themselves
• 37:43
  more than they're helping themselves.
• 37:44
  As that's why it's good to label like yours gets involved, rather
• 37:47
  than that, one of the major labels because I mean the the
• 37:52
  how can I put this the Chokehold that the major labels had back
• 37:56
  in the day is no longer where it was where it is today, you know,
• 38:00
  obviously luck at you, you get a lot of musicians going
• 38:03
  independent and that should tell you a lot really about it.
• 38:07
  It's almost the preferred. It.
• 38:09
  Now with a lot of artists is to stay independent.
• 38:11
  Yeah. And I think it, I think it
• 38:12
  depends. I mean I always say to every
• 38:14
  musician it's been on here that I think distribution deals are
• 38:18
  the way to go if you're going to deal with major labels
• 38:20
  distribution only, they should not be owning your music at all.
• 38:25
  The whole, the whole point of a label.
• 38:29
  Is to give you exposure to help you.
• 38:31
  Like, you just said, they're like you laid out.
• 38:33
  It's about management, because as a musician, as a creative,
• 38:38
  you're not necessarily a good business person.
• 38:41
  Not everyone is business minded and you sometimes, you do need
• 38:44
  some help to do that. And it's, you know, it's nothing
• 38:46
  to be ashamed of, it's not a bad thing, maybe over time, you'll
• 38:48
  learn the biz and then you can do it yourself.
• 38:50
  But I think everyone needs representation, especially when
• 38:53
  they get to that big number. And like you said there, you
• 38:56
  know that person under selling Selves.
• 38:59
  You see that in all areas of business and marketing?
• 39:02
  And in general, like, underselling yourself is one of
• 39:06
  the worst things you can do. Whereas, if you're signed by a
• 39:09
  label, they will, quote prices that are right for you based on
• 39:13
  your numbers based on your projected numbers and based on
• 39:17
  your talent, the things you can do as well.
• 39:19
  Like everyone that's blown up on Tick Tock but I see a lot of
• 39:21
  people that are desperately trying to get more and more and
• 39:24
  more and more follows but they don't really know what they're
• 39:26
  doing. Like I know, I think you can add
• 39:28
  a little bit of money. Me from Tick Tock, I think
• 39:29
  cotton. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:32
  But that's the thing. Like that's relative like the
• 39:36
  true money that you can make from.
• 39:38
  It is through things like sponsorships through, you know,
• 39:42
  if you got big enough and you managed to, you know, leverage
• 39:45
  that into other things. Like if I was a tick tock I
• 39:47
  would be thinking about. Okay, can I leverage this into
• 39:50
  may be moving into YouTube? Moving into other platforms
• 39:55
  getting deals. Like you got to think what's
• 39:58
  going to lead me to Next thing. Exactly.
• 40:00
  And I feel like, that's something that's kind of not,
• 40:04
  it's not extremely business minded, but that is something
• 40:06
  that's business-minded. That a lot of people don't think
• 40:08
  about which is where the, when you see these platforms, like,
• 40:13
  when vine like died, you there is a very, there's some great
• 40:17
  creators on Vine that weren't able to make a move over.
• 40:20
  But then they're the ones that were slightly business-minded
• 40:22
  that were that kind of saw it coming and shifted you know
• 40:25
  fascinates me about that as well as obviously Vine ended in Any
• 40:29
  16? And we've only recently got
• 40:33
  YouTube shorts that was in 2020 or separate algorithm for, you
• 40:38
  know, completely different way of.
• 40:40
  I don't know if it's really going to translate into into
• 40:42
  much business though because from what I hear the ad rates,
• 40:47
  even on, like, 10,000 views is like nothing.
• 40:51
  But point is, it's happened. And, you know, yeah, there was a
• 40:55
  great proportion of those viners who set up YouTube.
• 40:58
  Went into other things, you know, famous people like, Cody
• 41:01
  KO pulled it off, you know, and I'd say he's doing much better
• 41:04
  now than he was doing that. You know, it was very much a
• 41:06
  formative thing but now we're seeing that shift where short
• 41:12
  content is now the preferred content.
• 41:14
  It's not to say that long form isn't but it's just different.
• 41:17
  It's a different audience you know, people's attention spans
• 41:19
  are much quicker now. So the knee quick content quick,
• 41:23
  quick, quick quick. And if they want to see longer
• 41:25
  content, they'll subscribe to you, they'll become, you know,
• 41:28
  That's why, that's why. If you look at why do online,
• 41:31
  it's all different. If you go on the tick, tock on
• 41:33
  the Instagram, it's short. It's quick to the point on
• 41:36
  YouTube. It's long, there's podcast.
• 41:39
  There's livestreams it's done purposefully in that manner
• 41:42
  because of thinking about the platform and what people are
• 41:45
  looking for more on the platform, but even with the
• 41:48
  shorts thing, I've had to set up separate accounts because it's
• 41:50
  like, that's the only way you can really do.
• 41:53
  It doesn't make much sense. Having a channel that or
• 41:56
  platform that has a mixture of both.
• 41:59
  I think it's better to just point people towards different
• 42:01
  things and then, you know, I mean, like people can kind of
• 42:05
  It's the same as music, we bring it back to music, you know, it's
• 42:08
  like if you establish yourself as one thing and then you
• 42:11
  randomly go, like just let's say you're a rapper and then your
• 42:14
  next album is a rock album, right?
• 42:17
  That doesn't make any sense. But if you say, okay, I'm doing
• 42:20
  a side project and it's in rock people like RK.
• 42:23
  Or if you say if you say beforehand, okay, gonna do
• 42:28
  deluxe edition and it's going to have some experimental stuff on
• 42:33
  it, like, you prepare people. And Explain what you're doing.
• 42:36
  Then we all probably take it. Well, what's his name?
• 42:40
  Trippy read. Just did that with his album.
• 42:43
  Okay, that guy's very good. Anyway yeah, let's move it.
• 42:48
  Let's bring it back to you. So one sort of final question
• 42:52
  about music before we move on, what are your kind of goals and
• 42:56
  aspirations overall for your music career honestly I just
• 43:01
  want to be able to make. I want to just music is
• 43:04
  something. I'm still very new way and it's
• 43:06
  still something. I'm still building up a career
• 43:08
  but I honestly, I just want to be able to Just take it as far
• 43:12
  as I can take it, honestly, whatever that is.
• 43:14
  Like, obviously I think everyone's going music is to
• 43:18
  kind of be successful and to grow farther than where they are
• 43:22
  now. So, honestly, as long as I keep
• 43:25
  seeing growth at, like, the end of each either each year, or
• 43:29
  after the release of each project, I'm happy with that.
• 43:33
  Honestly, cool mode. Now let's bring it to your
• 43:38
  acting career. So you are an Actor,
• 43:41
  predominantly a theater actor, but you have played an on-screen
• 43:45
  role in. I've heard of this series, I'm
• 43:48
  watched it, but it's a Sci-Fi series called Talisman and you
• 43:52
  play a character by the name of Jimmy gardeners that correct?
• 43:55
  Yes. Okay.
• 43:56
  What were the best and sort of the best and worst?
• 44:01
  Or it's better that way, the best and most challenging
• 44:04
  moments of this experience. And as I stand, is this, your
• 44:06
  first on-screen role? Yeah, that is my first on-screen
• 44:09
  role. What's funny is you I'm
• 44:10
  predominantly stage, which is true.
• 44:13
  But I've actually done, and I have like lined up now.
• 44:17
  They have because it covid anything.
• 44:19
  And that's actually going to shift very soon to being more
• 44:22
  film than anything else. But yeah, that was my first
• 44:26
  on-screen acting role and honestly, it was awesome.
• 44:30
  I was, I remember, I got there. I think, my first shoot was And
• 44:35
  it could be totally wrong. I think it was a week was the
• 44:38
  first the, so how it worked out as originally, it was a short
• 44:42
  film and then they're like, oh, let's we gotta turn this into it
• 44:47
  web series. So the first shoot for the short
• 44:50
  film was, I think like three days or a week or so.
• 44:53
  And then we went back to film the web series, I think that was
• 44:57
  like a week or so, and some change.
• 45:00
  And at first, the film in the short film was I had like an
• 45:06
  amazing time. I've never been on stage so
• 45:10
  anything that I was doing was exciting for me.
• 45:12
  I'm not sorry. Not staged on film.
• 45:14
  So anything I was doing was exciting.
• 45:16
  I was like oh, this is so sick. Oh, there's a camera.
• 45:20
  Oh, there's co-stars. And like I was just basically
• 45:23
  like a kid in a candy store once we went back and started filming
• 45:29
  be short film. I had done.
• 45:31
  I think I'd done like two stage of like plays in Clean inside.
• 45:36
  Its kind of, I knew a little bit more of like my act like how to
• 45:40
  act and like what I was doing and all that.
• 45:42
  And then it was a little bit more normal to me, too, because
• 45:44
  I've done more in the industry. So it was less so like a new
• 45:49
  experience. And so I was a little bit more
• 45:50
  professional and second time around.
• 45:51
  But I also grew a relationship with the director and through
• 45:56
  the Entune. So he's honestly, one of the
• 45:58
  main people that have helped me put this on, put the label on
• 46:03
  track and just help me guide, my Or to honestly and he's working
• 46:07
  on amazing things coming up. He has another web series or I'm
• 46:13
  not sure it's going to be web series or what right now, but
• 46:15
  even that's going to be amazing with that comes out but um
• 46:18
  you're going to be a part of it. I am.
• 46:20
  Yeah, that's all it takes man. Give a nice you shits with
• 46:24
  people in the industry and you never know where it can lead.
• 46:27
  Yeah. So like it was started off as
• 46:29
  like a website like a short film that was like original.
• 46:33
  He's gonna be another thing on my resume and turned To be an
• 46:36
  amazing relationship with the directory to help is like a
• 46:39
  mentor for my career. And then also too, when we went
• 46:42
  back to film The what this web series, it was like an amazing
• 46:48
  experience because like, we were, we had different locations
• 46:51
  and I filmed, I think, overall, I was supposed to be on set for
• 46:56
  seven days and about a month or two before we started filming.
• 47:01
  I got another role in another state.
• 47:05
  Eight, that was not right. Well yeah, so I was on set for
• 47:11
  for the Talisman for like three days.
• 47:14
  Then I flew to another state. The dad winded landed, and then
• 47:19
  had to go straight to set stayed there for two days, flew back
• 47:22
  and then finish the web series off.
• 47:24
  And though I had like three scenes on the web series when I
• 47:28
  came back and those were supposed to be like, really
• 47:31
  emotional scenes. Oh, wow.
• 47:32
  Okay. Yeah.
• 47:33
  And I was just so tired. That it work.
• 47:37
  It just look like, I'm like, beat down and tired and
• 47:43
  exhausted, and I really was. So, it worked out awesome.
• 47:46
  And so filming that webseries. And then just seeing what it's
• 47:49
  done. Now, like it's won some awards
• 47:52
  and no, congratulations. Thank you.
• 47:54
  Yeah, and so it's like really cool to see how it grew because
• 47:57
  I think when we were, when I was first on set, I was like, oh,
• 48:00
  this is just an experience and then watching something that's
• 48:04
  just an experience growth. Oh to wow, this is doing
• 48:07
  amazing. Is like just a really cool
• 48:09
  feeling to have. You see this is the thing as
• 48:11
  well because you come across very humble and you know, that's
• 48:15
  awesome. Keep that.
• 48:17
  But I think the reality is, especially if you've got stuff
• 48:22
  lined up and stuff, you know, you're probably gonna get pretty
• 48:26
  well-known pretty quickly. It's going to be one of those
• 48:28
  thing and that's usually how it works.
• 48:30
  You know, you take that one role or you meet that one person,
• 48:34
  like I knew a guy. Once who grew up with him and
• 48:38
  he's a musician. And I think he randomly got
• 48:43
  noticed by, like, Ryan Seacrest that guy, that was a host on my
• 48:47
  American Idol. Yeah, he just happened to like
• 48:49
  see this guy's video and he got in touch with him.
• 48:53
  You know what I mean? You know, like this band.
• 48:55
  I was in one time metal band. My then girlfriend handed a
• 49:00
  business card to the drummer of this band and that like I gave
• 49:04
  it to his PR man. Manager and whoop.
• 49:06
  Wouldn't you know it we got offered to go on a tour with
• 49:08
  them, you know these it's these things happen people forget as
• 49:11
  well they think oh that glamorous industry and it seems
• 49:15
  so obtainable. And how could it ever happen to
• 49:18
  me? And it's like, it can happen.
• 49:20
  Yeah. Probably.
• 49:21
  Will the more you keep doing stuff, you know, it's like with
• 49:24
  me right now. Like, I keep putting stuff out
• 49:27
  there that's going, not like fully viral, but it gets like a
• 49:30
  lot of attention. Like I had something, get
• 49:33
  featured in The Hollywood Reporter, the other day, it was
• 49:35
  Really like specifically like me, but it was like, just a
• 49:39
  tweet that I made. I was just been, just a goof was
• 49:43
  something doing like a little bit of a skit in response to
• 49:47
  some weird interview that Orlando Bloom had done.
• 49:51
  This is kind of wild, I just thought, let's just have some
• 49:53
  fun with it and that loads of people found it funny and as
• 49:55
  like now this is interesting because it gets a lot of
• 49:58
  attention and I jumped on it. I made sure to reply to everyone
• 50:03
  that responded and stuff like that and I'm thinking Being all
• 50:06
  it takes, because I've got a lot of my friends is say this
• 50:08
  shout-out to Charles Jaco. People always say this to me,
• 50:11
  like, all it takes is that one video, you know, and then you
• 50:15
  can make it. And in your case, maybe it's
• 50:17
  that one song. Maybe it's that one acting role
• 50:19
  but before you know it you're going to get a lot of attention
• 50:22
  really quickly and I suppose it's really good that you have
• 50:25
  well, firstly your own representation that is the and
• 50:28
  you're in charge of it as well. So like, if there are any
• 50:31
  contracts that come your way, yeah, you'll be able to, you
• 50:34
  know, negotiate A percentage that works for you and not get
• 50:37
  screwed in the process. Yeah, you know, I know more so
• 50:42
  about my music career that I do with acting.
• 50:45
  So I have like, with my label. I've got that with that's all
• 50:48
  under me. But when it comes to my acting
• 50:50
  and all that, I have a separate manager and she handles all that
• 50:54
  catcher. Yeah.
• 50:57
  Well be careful is what I said now.
• 51:02
  Yeah, one one other thing on that.
• 51:04
  So you're going to be a Is it going to be another series of
• 51:07
  the Talisman? You can appear in the second
• 51:08
  season or something. Um, as of right now, nothing is
• 51:13
  in this set. Nothing is 100% definite, but
• 51:18
  there was some interest there it did well there was some interest
• 51:21
  in. It was weird because it wasn't
• 51:23
  even in it was out. It was shot in the u.s. filmed
• 51:26
  in us and that's where it was majorly release.
• 51:27
  But it started doing really well in other countries.
• 51:31
  Yeah. So um, we've talked about it.
• 51:35
  So, It's pretty much like a well see type deal suppose it depends
• 51:39
  on the cost really, doesn't it? I mean if there's a big enough
• 51:43
  interest and you can sort of make it financially viable
• 51:47
  overseas, then it's just the fireball but if it's the sort of
• 51:50
  thing we're okay, maybe it'd be great in those countries, but
• 51:53
  then we might not be able to make the money in the u.s.
• 51:55
  It's like you got think about like that as well.
• 51:58
  It's it's so tricky because it's, I mean, obviously sci-fi
• 52:02
  is a big franchise anywhere in the world but you know, I know
• 52:05
  Tell you here in the UK its massive.
• 52:07
  You know, we have conventions here, just like anywhere else
• 52:10
  but it's it's a tricky one. You never know where things are
• 52:13
  going to work, how they're going to work when they're going to
• 52:15
  work. Guess it's crazy.
• 52:17
  How these things work, but best of luck with that.
• 52:21
  So one thing I want to ask you is what kind of on-screen roles
• 52:25
  are you kind of looking for in the future.
• 52:26
  Like, I know you probably might say, like, well, I'll take on
• 52:29
  anything but like is there anything in particular?
• 52:31
  Because for me, I want to, I want to do a villain roles I
• 52:35
  love playing the bad guy. I love that.
• 52:37
  But what are you looking to do as the yeah.
• 52:41
  One of like my dream roles is I have like to dream rules
• 52:45
  basically. It's one is to be like as any
• 52:48
  superhero, basically would be awesome but then also to star in
• 52:51
  like a boxing movie and would be like really cool to try to do
• 52:55
  that body transformation as a boxer.
• 52:59
  I originally actually, I wrote a entire boxing film and I was
• 53:02
  like, working for him, we're really close to actually filming
• 53:05
  it. And then like kind of at the
• 53:06
  last minute, we kind of step back and yeah.
• 53:11
  But that's like one of my like main goals is to really be able
• 53:14
  to like do that, but then about but other than that like right
• 53:18
  now just to be in like a bomb still in my teenage years or at
• 53:24
  least look like I am is to be in like a Teenage Drama film or
• 53:29
  like stuff like that. Kind of like a Paper Towns or
• 53:33
  like a if I stay in. Things like that.
• 53:36
  So you mentioned that you like superheroes and obviously
• 53:41
  Spider-Man is a big thing right now.
• 53:44
  Yeah, it's this exciting. New Third Edition of
• 53:47
  Spider-Man's franchise. Coming out the Multiverse movie.
• 53:52
  Are you thinking maybe I could play mph Alice.
• 53:55
  I have been since Miles Morales came out because these are
• 53:59
  really new character but I have literally since they Him.
• 54:06
  I was like that's like a role that I'm looking for.
• 54:09
  I'm sorry excited my like I watched the into the
• 54:13
  spider-verse recently because I do I've played the Spider-Man
• 54:16
  mask Morales game and it's good and it's got good storyline it.
• 54:21
  It's interesting. You know and I have like no
• 54:24
  arguments b mini kind of like discussions with people and how
• 54:27
  I would portray the Miles Morales thing and I personally
• 54:30
  think the best time to bring him in would be similar to what they
• 54:36
  did in into the spider-verse that killing off the original
• 54:40
  Spider-Man, but you're going to be so careful with how you do
• 54:43
  that because you don't want people to like, kind of not like
• 54:46
  the new Spider-Man. And it's like, he's got to be a
• 54:48
  replacement, but he he's different Miles.
• 54:50
  Morales is story is so different people Parker's, and it's much
• 54:56
  more of an Underdog Story than Peter Parker's is in, in many
• 54:58
  ways, which is interesting because, I mean, Peter Parker
• 55:01
  story is decide sort of spotty teenagers useless.
• 55:06
  He's just like your eggs and add, which is not, there's
• 55:08
  nothing wrong with being a nerd, I'm a nerd.
• 55:10
  But you know, that's, that's the draw.
• 55:11
  That's I think that's why I like Spider-Man.
• 55:13
  But Mars Morales is a bit, you know, he's cooler.
• 55:15
  He's a bit more clued up. That's, he's probably a bit
• 55:20
  smarter than Peter, Parker. If you look at it depends,
• 55:22
  obviously there's different interpretations and say, yeah,
• 55:25
  like it's that's generally how he's been portrayed and in the
• 55:30
  context of bringing it back to the Cinematic Universe, I think
• 55:34
  they shouldn't jump the gun. With Mars, bro.
• 55:36
  It's like there's talk about or they should bring him in the in
• 55:39
  the Multiverse thing and I don't think they should.
• 55:41
  I think they should wait on that story because I think that's a
• 55:44
  really good story that that's got some legs and I think maybe
• 55:49
  I don't know, maybe they could introduce him but like I think
• 55:53
  don't make him Spider-Man. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 55:55
  Like I think they've already kind of like planted the seed
• 55:58
  almost when it comes to him like and Spider-Man homecoming.
• 56:03
  Like they, what's his name? Probably played by yes I've got
• 56:08
  was Lover. He was like I've got like a
• 56:10
  nephew in this city so like like anyone who knows like the comics
• 56:13
  kind of understood what that meant and so like he's there we
• 56:17
  haven't seen him yet but we know that eventually he's gonna pop
• 56:21
  comic, it's coming. Okay okay I just want I just
• 56:26
  wanted to say that because the idea popped in my head I saw
• 56:28
  your enact a young guy. I think it's most young black
• 56:32
  guys. Doing this right now to be Miles
• 56:33
  Morales. Let's be really And it's
• 56:35
  exciting because that we've seen Spider-Man done to death.
• 56:39
  We're not going to see another origin story anytime soon.
• 56:41
  But Miles Morales is a An Origin story that I think a lot of us
• 56:45
  would actually be interested in seeing and I know it's been done
• 56:48
  in video games and stuff but I mean they did they interestingly
• 56:51
  didn't do it with Peter Parker this most recent Incarnation.
• 56:55
  It was just Cliff Notes. Okay, he's Spider-Man.
• 56:59
  Great. Now let's get into, you know,
• 57:01
  Marvel Universe. It's like whoa, okay that we can
• 57:04
  work with that. That's With the best way to do
• 57:06
  it. I think, honestly, that's why
• 57:08
  like, switching over to d.c. real fast, like with the dce.
• 57:11
  You, the reason Batman vs Superman didn't do so well, as
• 57:14
  we didn't need the whole Batman Origin story again at this
• 57:19
  point. Pretty much, if you ask someone,
• 57:21
  that doesn't even understand Comics.
• 57:23
  Like, right. How did Batman become Batman?
• 57:25
  You pretty much know. So true.
• 57:27
  Yeah. Like once you've seen it, I
• 57:28
  mean, the only way ever makes sense to do.
• 57:31
  Another origin is if you do it drastically differently.
• 57:34
  Yeah, in Some weight. So like I don't know if you're
• 57:37
  going to do Batman again. Jesus, I don't know, maybe make
• 57:42
  him a vicious killer of you know, go against his you know,
• 57:47
  General kind of ethos which is never kill anyone be that, you
• 57:49
  know, Caped Crusader. That's the only way I think you
• 57:53
  should ever really do it. But, you know, the studios I
• 57:56
  think this is a big problem right now is that they kind of
• 57:59
  constantly want to reboot things and, you know, for instance,
• 58:02
  they're going to do a reboot of Blade soon.
• 58:05
  Work. Yeah.
• 58:07
  I'm very excited about it but I don't want to see the same movie
• 58:09
  again. Yeah, I agree.
• 58:11
  Yeah, it's going to be cool but it's all about how you do it.
• 58:16
  I think the amazed from the Sam, Raimi Spider-Man to The Amazing
• 58:20
  Spider-Man series, with Andrew Garfield versus the Tobey
• 58:23
  Maguire one. When you looked at those, I feel
• 58:25
  like it was basically the same movie at least for the first
• 58:31
  one, but with different villains.
• 58:34
  Mmm. I don't know.
• 58:37
  I didn't by Andrew Garfield, despite like, I liked him as
• 58:40
  Spider-Man but I thought he's too cool to be Spider-Man.
• 58:43
  I agree. Yeah, you know and that's not
• 58:45
  nothing against Andrew Garfield. I think he did a good
• 58:47
  interpretation. I think it gets a lot of hate
• 58:49
  unnecessarily. It's just, it's just too soon
• 58:52
  afterwards. I think is the problem.
• 58:53
  It's like, oh, we just did that. Let's do something else.
• 58:58
  Yes, and I understand there's a lot of like, money in
• 59:01
  Spider-Man. It's a great franchise, it's an
• 59:04
  exciting character, it's very reliable, but it's yeah, you got
• 59:07
  to do something different and I think that's what they've kind
• 59:09
  of nailed with Tom hollanders. They were like, okay, we're not
• 59:11
  going to give you the same stuff, we're going to give you
• 59:13
  something different and It In fairness that this is in fully
• 59:16
  in high school as well, which they kind of hinted at they
• 59:20
  floated out with with both of them but they never really
• 59:22
  properly explored it like long-term, you know what I mean?
• 59:26
  Yeah. Like what?
• 59:26
  It doesn't look awesome about the ones, with Tom Holland in
• 59:30
  them, is their teenage movies, but the main character happens
• 59:36
  to be a superhero. Yes, precisely.
• 59:38
  Yeah. Like, it's basically, it's
• 59:42
  Ferris Bueller's Day Off, all those types of films, but the
• 59:46
  main character just happens to be a superhero.
• 59:48
  I love that, you know, that movie.
• 59:50
  Let's it always pains me when people don't know.
• 59:52
  That movie is a classic movie. If you don't have your haven't
• 59:54
  seen Ferris Bueller's Day Off goes.
• 59:57
  See, it's like quintessential 80s.
• 1:00:00
  Absolutely fun fact, everyone needs to see there's like a list
• 1:00:03
  of movies that everyone. Yes some point and that is
• 1:00:06
  definitely on that list. One thing that blows me away,
• 1:00:09
  it's just a fact about that movie is there's never been an
• 1:00:12
  official soundtrack made for it because apparently the director
• 1:00:16
  said that he just didn't couldn't see why.
• 1:00:18
  People would be interested and he's got that.
• 1:00:20
  It's got all the best soundtracks of all time.
• 1:00:23
  It's so 80s, it's like Choosing 8.
• 1:00:27
  I can't look, I don't know how else to put it.
• 1:00:28
  It's just yeah. Anyway, moving it for it.
• 1:00:32
  Well, yeah, sort of moving it into theater.
• 1:00:35
  So, This is an interesting question.
• 1:00:39
  Do you prefer theater acting or on screen acting?
• 1:00:43
  Because I know every actor has their own kind of what they
• 1:00:46
  prefer. I've never personally done,
• 1:00:48
  theater acting but I have zero interest in it.
• 1:00:50
  I just feel like I'm better suited to one screen stuff.
• 1:00:52
  I prefer it. I yeah.
• 1:00:54
  That's just my personal thing. But what's your preference?
• 1:00:58
  Honestly, I'd say overall, I'm more interested in doing film
• 1:01:03
  but I still love theater. I feel like they're two totally
• 1:01:06
  different. Different animals, that bright
• 1:01:08
  and I feel like the preparation for them is extremely different.
• 1:01:12
  Now, I've been on slide when it comes to look like different
• 1:01:14
  sets of that I've been on I've been on sets where we've had our
• 1:01:17
  lines for months and months and months beforehand and we show up
• 1:01:22
  and no one really knows their lines for a film, but we make it
• 1:01:27
  like they make it work or like I've showed up and it's like 11.
• 1:01:32
  Actor does not know any of their lines and they're just finding
• 1:01:35
  the lines out the day of It worked because it's like, well,
• 1:01:40
  I guess the easiest way of putting it is in film.
• 1:01:44
  You can yell cut on stage. What's out there is out there
• 1:01:47
  and I feel like it takes a different.
• 1:01:49
  It takes a heightened awareness of like what you're doing
• 1:01:53
  because you know, I think some people in a good play.
• 1:01:57
  You don't notice when the actors mess up on stage, it's your job
• 1:02:03
  to notice when someone messes up like the last place.
• 1:02:06
  Did I remember there is a moment where one of the actors a prop
• 1:02:12
  wasn't on stage That was supposed to be on stage.
• 1:02:14
  Yeah and it was important piece to the end so it was such like a
• 1:02:20
  last minute decision on what to do and I think someone filled in
• 1:02:27
  the lines and I like hey go grab this for me right before once
• 1:02:32
  they noticed, it wasn't there. That's kind of what we were
• 1:02:35
  actually able to like go someone was able to go off stage and
• 1:02:38
  come back in and bring it. And so it's like really I'd say
• 1:02:43
  when you're on stage it's more of a team effort.
• 1:02:46
  Like each actor is kind of working together and bring each
• 1:02:50
  other up like on film. Like obviously you all want to
• 1:02:53
  work together but when one person is kind of slacking on
• 1:02:57
  film, you can work around that and you can still fix that.
• 1:03:00
  But on stage if it's not flowing like the ocean, it's not going
• 1:03:05
  to work. Smart that you get people.
• 1:03:07
  The, the slacking as well, like, I've been on sets where that's
• 1:03:10
  happened, and man, the directors get pissed and I understand it's
• 1:03:15
  frustrating. You know, you got a schedule to
• 1:03:16
  keep, you know, you've only got places rented for a certain
• 1:03:20
  amount of time and you got someone who doesn't know their
• 1:03:21
  lines and it's like cut and it's different because like you said,
• 1:03:25
  sometimes people get handed their lines on the day of and
• 1:03:27
  that's ridiculous. And obviously, you're not going
• 1:03:29
  to the lights, but sometimes you get like, two weeks to prepare.
• 1:03:31
  What's your excuse? Yeah, I agree.
• 1:03:34
  Unbelievable. But no, even with some stage
• 1:03:39
  though, it sometimes like you'll see, actors kind of take a
• 1:03:42
  little bit longer to memorize their lines.
• 1:03:44
  I think, on stage, I memorize my lines faster for film and Stage,
• 1:03:49
  I don't really know why it works that way.
• 1:03:51
  Maybe it's the fact that there's so much more consistency at
• 1:03:53
  least on like, in film. You can kind of break it down
• 1:03:57
  seen by sea, but on stage, it just takes me longer.
• 1:03:59
  And I remember there is one show.
• 1:04:01
  He's probably going to listen to this, and because I'm still, we
• 1:04:03
  still keep in touch. I had one show.
• 1:04:05
  I did it. Last year and we just did not
• 1:04:08
  have our lines together the way we needed to and the director
• 1:04:12
  was yelling at us and you is like trying to show us what we
• 1:04:15
  needed to do. And he was like, you need to
• 1:04:16
  have energy, you need to know what you're doing, he was
• 1:04:19
  walking around. He was yelling at us and he went
• 1:04:21
  to sit on one of the beds that was like one of the um it was
• 1:04:25
  like part of the set and it wasn't finished yet and he
• 1:04:29
  didn't know that and he was yelling at us.
• 1:04:31
  He sat on it and went straight through it.
• 1:04:33
  Oh no. That moment on the show cause
• 1:04:39
  that was like people were getting frustrated because
• 1:04:41
  someone had dropped out of the cast and it was just kind of
• 1:04:44
  having a rough build up. But um, that moment, they're all
• 1:04:47
  the sudden next rehearsal. Everything came back and it was
• 1:04:50
  sharp, everything looked great. And I don't think it was because
• 1:04:54
  he yelled at us, it was really because he fell through the bed
• 1:04:59
  and just gave us the moment of like lightheartedness that we
• 1:05:02
  really needed. Yeah, nice.
• 1:05:04
  I suppose sometimes you do have to Take 5, take a break.
• 1:05:07
  Have a laugh, you know, it's I think you got it.
• 1:05:10
  You got to be able to have a laugh during filming, you know.
• 1:05:13
  It can't just be serious. The whole to understand.
• 1:05:15
  Sometimes you gotta have a serious production, serious
• 1:05:17
  moments and stuff. But yeah, sometimes you need
• 1:05:19
  that it's because I mean and I suppose it depends on the type
• 1:05:22
  of actor, you are. But a lot of the time, it's very
• 1:05:25
  real, like you mentioned earlier, you know, you took a
• 1:05:28
  day where you had to do some, some some deep act in some
• 1:05:32
  emotional scenes and you would exhaust it.
• 1:05:34
  So it was very real and I don't know, like when I try to tap
• 1:05:38
  into deeper emotions for certain parts, like, I will think about
• 1:05:44
  things that hurt me, you know? I would try to put myself in
• 1:05:48
  that feely. See, you're making yourself feel
• 1:05:50
  bad, feel sad, feel miserable. It's not ideal, but it's, it's
• 1:05:55
  grueling, because people forget that, it's when you, when you
• 1:05:58
  have that kind of emotion the Motions to contend with its
• 1:06:02
  physically draining as well. It can take a lot out of you.
• 1:06:05
  So you're just, you know, Times need that laughs breath of fresh
• 1:06:08
  air quick reality. Check.
• 1:06:10
  Like, oh yeah, this isn't real. We're acting it's, this should
• 1:06:13
  be fun, you know? Yeah, I'm generally pretty
• 1:06:17
  light-hearted overall when I'm on sets like I'm usually I'm
• 1:06:21
  obviously I'm not like getting in the way and like joking and
• 1:06:23
  everything, but I'm not. Usually I'm not like too uptight
• 1:06:26
  into serious. I'm just I'm I love what I'm
• 1:06:29
  doing and so it's like it's hard for me to hide the fact that I'm
• 1:06:33
  extremely. I'm enjoying it as far as it is.
• 1:06:36
  So it's like but when it comes to seeing do I need to like be
• 1:06:40
  upset, or get quiet and all that.
• 1:06:41
  It's like usually my process with that is like I'll put in.
• 1:06:45
  I usually have like a playlist for each show and it's like,
• 1:06:48
  I've got like four songs that are like, usually like really
• 1:06:51
  sad that I would listen to before then.
• 1:06:53
  And I just try and get into like the head of like the character
• 1:06:55
  and like try and like just get into the emotions of it.
• 1:06:59
  That's very clever about still do the trick.
• 1:07:03
  How much freedom for ad-libbing do you actually get?
• 1:07:05
  I mean, you mentioned Little bit there that sometimes you kind of
• 1:07:08
  have to but like in terms of the directors you work with people
• 1:07:13
  sort of writing the show, like, do on theater and on-screen like
• 1:07:18
  do you which kind of gives you more leeway how much leeway do
• 1:07:21
  you get you know is ad-libbing very common or is it like as
• 1:07:25
  when kind of thing you kind of really depends on what it's
• 1:07:29
  really more. So on a director from from my
• 1:07:33
  experiences like definitely in film I There's more freedom of
• 1:07:37
  ad-libs, especially when you're not working on an original play.
• 1:07:41
  And so basically, if you're on a play but it's not like the first
• 1:07:44
  production of it. The directors have like a
• 1:07:47
  standard that they want to maintain and especially if
• 1:07:50
  they're trying to get the right, the play right there too because
• 1:07:53
  the playwright doesn't want to come and watch their show me
• 1:07:56
  completely different. So you're no kid barely when I'm
• 1:08:00
  on stage, it's very much stick. To the script, literally in like
• 1:08:05
  follow what it says. Is in film.
• 1:08:08
  I know when we're filming Tao has been, we had a lot of,
• 1:08:13
  there's a lot of time for ad-libs and I think one of my
• 1:08:17
  one of like the lines that becomes like a running joke
• 1:08:19
  throughout the series was ad-libbed, I was like, shut up.
• 1:08:24
  I was like, I called them because the whole thing is that
• 1:08:27
  all the characters are very in enough, all the characters, the
• 1:08:30
  main character, he's Brian, he's very into like the stars and
• 1:08:34
  he's using a telescope. And so, Like we're all have a,
• 1:08:37
  there's a scene where we're kind of making fun of each other and
• 1:08:39
  I call him space boy and like just like it's like a joke, just
• 1:08:43
  kind of like throwing something at him and that ended up being
• 1:08:45
  like a running line for my character to him throughout the
• 1:08:48
  school is cool. When things happen, like that
• 1:08:51
  naturally. That's always the best thing,
• 1:08:53
  isn't it? Awesome.
• 1:08:54
  Yeah, so it usually, um, do towels been like, we had
• 1:08:58
  pre-open range to kind of throw some things in their ad, lib
• 1:09:04
  basically, if, as long as we knew, Characters and we knew
• 1:09:07
  what the characters would do. But at the same time I in high
• 1:09:12
  school I wasn't like in like the drama club or anything like
• 1:09:16
  that. But I took drama as an art one
• 1:09:18
  year because I had to just add to have that like class in there
• 1:09:21
  and the Drama teacher. He said something which I wasn't
• 1:09:27
  like very much like, oh, I'm an actor while I was in that class.
• 1:09:31
  But he just said something just kind of passing through to one
• 1:09:34
  of the kids that was in the place and he was like Like an
• 1:09:36
  actor should never say my character wouldn't say that or
• 1:09:39
  my character would have do that because yes, they do.
• 1:09:42
  It's in the script. And so and that's like something
• 1:09:46
  I thought about. I was like, because I was never
• 1:09:49
  really like, oh my God, she wouldn't say this.
• 1:09:50
  My character wouldn't do this, but like that's so true, like
• 1:09:53
  your character if there. They wouldn't do that.
• 1:09:57
  Like they if it's in the script your character would do that.
• 1:10:00
  So one thing they often say in the wrestling industry when
• 1:10:05
  they're writing promos and stuff and a wrestler will say
• 1:10:10
  something like that. Obviously, it's a ridiculous
• 1:10:12
  thing to say, but I think a bigger problem with that is that
• 1:10:17
  what you're essentially saying when you argue back is who oh,
• 1:10:19
  this is shit, this is terrible, why would I say?
• 1:10:21
  That's a better thing to do in that scenario is to think about
• 1:10:25
  Out. Okay, if you honestly feel like
• 1:10:28
  this is not something that the character would say like it's
• 1:10:30
  just not logical, it doesn't fit some way propose.
• 1:10:33
  Something that you do think will fit propose an alternative
• 1:10:37
  because that's the thing like directors it might sound scary,
• 1:10:40
  it might sound like all like why would they listen to me?
• 1:10:42
  I'm a lowly actor but they're a creative just like you.
• 1:10:44
  They want their piece to be as good as possible and to be
• 1:10:47
  logical. So if you suggest an alternative
• 1:10:50
  it's like huh, okay maybe we could try though and that you
• 1:10:54
  can even just go a little bit there.
• 1:10:56
  With that and be like how about we try it this way?
• 1:11:00
  And your way and we'll see which way you talked about better.
• 1:11:02
  Yeah, especially if you're respectful with the to, like I
• 1:11:04
  remember there is one line in a play that I did.
• 1:11:08
  Where I was just, I had so much trouble, delivering the line.
• 1:11:12
  And so, I brought it to the director and I was like, Hey,
• 1:11:14
  like I'm really struggling to like, delivery this one line.
• 1:11:18
  I was like, what can we kind of do to fix it?
• 1:11:20
  Like obviously, as the director for a play, you're sitting right
• 1:11:24
  in front of it and watching it go through.
• 1:11:25
  So I was like, what are your notes to me here for this?
• 1:11:28
  Like, what can we do? And he was like, change it up?
• 1:11:30
  Say, what? Feels right for you?
• 1:11:32
  Yes. What's that like one line?
• 1:11:34
  And so then I was like, all right, so we kind of went
• 1:11:35
  through rehearsals and it was like, if we did the scene twice,
• 1:11:38
  I'd work on delivering it the way, it's written in the script
• 1:11:41
  and what felt comfortable, and then we kind of made the
• 1:11:44
  decision of okay, ultimately after getting his notes back in
• 1:11:49
  like working on it, I was able to deliver the original line.
• 1:11:52
  So I was able to work that out but as long as Respectful with
• 1:11:56
  it. I mean most directors won't
• 1:11:58
  really have an issue with you coming to them and being like,
• 1:12:01
  hey, I'm like, I'm having issues with this plate, one line like
• 1:12:04
  I'm about to that point as well. Like I think because I've had
• 1:12:07
  that as well sometimes. Well, look at the lines and I
• 1:12:10
  think I got this doesn't fit somehow, it sounds out of place.
• 1:12:14
  And I'll spend that time thinking about not only the
• 1:12:17
  alternative that I'm going to pitch.
• 1:12:18
  But I also think about what, how can I actually yet?
• 1:12:21
  Just make this work and it's on some level and often.
• 1:12:25
  Then what we'll do is like what I laid out there.
• 1:12:27
  We'll just go for different takes different styles and see
• 1:12:31
  which just feels more natural. And yeah sometimes the final
• 1:12:34
  take will just be like and ad lib or sometimes A variation
• 1:12:38
  that you get like a mixture. So like it will blend the
• 1:12:40
  original line with a few other word.
• 1:12:43
  Like sometimes just changing like one word just makes it all
• 1:12:46
  the more real I suppose. It's totally.
• 1:12:51
  And I mean, and I've written like as I go farther along with
• 1:12:54
  my music, I've even like Like I have like two or three music
• 1:12:58
  videos, released actually maybe more than that.
• 1:13:00
  But like even with those I've like, I've written all the
• 1:13:03
  scripts for them and like some of them have like real actors in
• 1:13:06
  them and stuff. And so, there is one that I
• 1:13:08
  wrote where they're supposed to be a scene where there is like,
• 1:13:11
  lines in it and she came to the actress.
• 1:13:14
  Came to me, she's like, hey, like this scene like the lines
• 1:13:17
  here. I'm not really like getting him
• 1:13:20
  out. It would get that out.
• 1:13:21
  Like, what should we do with? And I was like, he explained it,
• 1:13:23
  I like, okay, I see your point white, let's cut it.
• 1:13:26
  Don't need it. And so it's really all about
• 1:13:29
  kind of, it's about the director and because sometimes directors
• 1:13:34
  won't be able to take that criticism.
• 1:13:36
  Quite honestly, sometimes they'll be like, know what I
• 1:13:38
  wrote is fine but other times as long as you bring it up to them
• 1:13:41
  respectfully, they'll be able to be like, hey like.
• 1:13:44
  All right, let's see what we can do here.
• 1:13:46
  I got a set. Yeah, as well.
• 1:13:47
  Like, even the people that like, let's say, like as a big
• 1:13:50
  director, like on the Martin Scorsese or something, right?
• 1:13:53
  I still contend it. You could challenge him as long
• 1:13:56
  as, yeah. Says respectful like cause
• 1:13:59
  that's what people forget. They're like.
• 1:14:01
  Oh, why wouldn't you know, how they ever take me seriously, and
• 1:14:04
  it's like, it's our it's, that's what it always will be.
• 1:14:07
  It doesn't matter if the guy is oscar-nominated oscar-winning,
• 1:14:13
  like, it's, it's about what we're doing right now.
• 1:14:15
  And how is the best way to make it work.
• 1:14:17
  And like, we're all creatives, we're all geared into this real
• 1:14:21
  plugged in. We all signed up for this.
• 1:14:23
  We all want it to work and succeed.
• 1:14:25
  So it's about showing each other Pecked and pitching ideas in a
• 1:14:30
  in a respectful way. Like, I don't think any human
• 1:14:32
  being is going to react. Well, if you go, well, that's
• 1:14:34
  terrible. Why would we do it that way
• 1:14:37
  because it is, yeah, it's personal.
• 1:14:39
  You wrote it because that's your vision of how you see it and
• 1:14:43
  just because this other guy can't see it.
• 1:14:45
  I mean, I can understand that opinion.
• 1:14:47
  If I was a director and I got a guy sort of getting, I don't
• 1:14:50
  know. Kind of rude to me in the way
• 1:14:53
  he's saying it. I just blew up.
• 1:14:54
  Get someone else. Get someone.
• 1:14:56
  Who can see my vision know? As harsh as that sounds.
• 1:14:59
  But it's true. You know, it's like, oh yeah.
• 1:15:03
  Anyway, moving on, what advice would you give to aspiring
• 1:15:08
  actors based on your personal experiences?
• 1:15:10
  Um, honestly I would say to them just just do it go out there.
• 1:15:16
  Even especially like what we're even though you ask that acting,
• 1:15:20
  you could tighten the music now. Nowadays, if you want to be an
• 1:15:23
  actor, it's so easy for you to just take a phone right up a
• 1:15:26
  little script. And, like, record something with
• 1:15:28
  your friends. It's all about what your main
• 1:15:32
  goal is and how much you actually love it.
• 1:15:34
  Like, for example, some people love acting but they don't want
• 1:15:38
  to be, they don't want to take it as a career, they want to do
• 1:15:39
  it as a hobby. So like there's like Community
• 1:15:42
  Theater. There's you can like just record
• 1:15:45
  some films, short films with your friends.
• 1:15:47
  It's all about where you want to take it and what you want to do
• 1:15:49
  with it. So if your passion is to be like
• 1:15:52
  a big time, the big big star actor, I don't really have
• 1:15:56
  advice for you yet. I don't know either, I'm still
• 1:15:58
  trying to get there. It's coming, it's coming.
• 1:16:00
  Yeah, but if you just if you're if you just enjoy acting and
• 1:16:05
  it's not what you want to do is a career, you just wanted you
• 1:16:08
  love the hobby of it. You love the art of it.
• 1:16:10
  There's so many different Outlets that people never think
• 1:16:13
  of to be able to do it. Like I know a lot of times
• 1:16:16
  people will say, oh I want to be an actor and they'll look at TV
• 1:16:20
  or movies and be like, I want to do that.
• 1:16:22
  I don't want to be a career, and I just went do that and they
• 1:16:25
  Overlook the fact that it's like, there's So many different
• 1:16:28
  websites to, like, cast yourself in and get into different like
• 1:16:32
  films and stuff like backstage, honestly, like the idea of it is
• 1:16:36
  one of like the greatest things for like, people trying to
• 1:16:39
  become actors, and just trying to like, build themselves up.
• 1:16:43
  Like, I've done all the music videos and all of like the
• 1:16:46
  searches for when we're trying to like find talent to add to
• 1:16:49
  the label, we did those through backstage for a moment.
• 1:16:53
  I thought you were talking about actual backstage areas but
• 1:16:55
  you're actually talking about the website backstage.
• 1:16:57
  Now I understand why? Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm just being
• 1:16:59
  an idiot now. It's a good tool.
• 1:17:03
  Actually, there's this, I think we used by stage here in the UK,
• 1:17:05
  but there's other Alternatives as well.
• 1:17:08
  And yeah, those websites. Do, do it kind of sucks.
• 1:17:10
  There's no from what? I see, like, three Alternatives.
• 1:17:13
  Most of these you have to pay for because I would be doing it
• 1:17:17
  myself like I've. And this is why I don't consider
• 1:17:20
  my always take myself as an aspiring actor.
• 1:17:23
  Not professional, because I have done some official extra extras
• 1:17:27
  work. Work in movies and stuff but
• 1:17:29
  until I get like a proper acting role where it's like, pay gig in
• 1:17:33
  something that people have seen then I don't really consider it
• 1:17:36
  like real, you know. But with that being said, yeah I
• 1:17:41
  think I think what you what you say is very true.
• 1:17:43
  Like, for me, I kind of want to do everything, you know, I mean,
• 1:17:46
  music acting YouTube, you name it.
• 1:17:48
  Like, I don't want to just be stuck to one thing, and I also
• 1:17:51
  kind of want to do stuff that makes sense for me, if I'm a
• 1:17:54
  sense, it's like I really like playing a villains particularly
• 1:18:01
  with like different variances of the American accent.
• 1:18:04
  I just have a lot of fun and that figures a lot of fun and
• 1:18:08
  that's Mike where I'm headed with it.
• 1:18:10
  I want to try a lot of different roles and see you know how well
• 1:18:14
  I can do the chameleon how well can I you know, fit these
• 1:18:17
  different parts and I think that's more of the draw than you
• 1:18:22
  know going full time with it and like obviously if those
• 1:18:25
  opportunities He's were there. I'd take them but I think that's
• 1:18:27
  kind of the key, isn't it? It's like what opportunities are
• 1:18:29
  available. What presents themselves, what
• 1:18:32
  makes sense? That with me, I've kind of
• 1:18:33
  discovered through podcasting. I'm able to do live streaming
• 1:18:38
  and stuff and it's very similar. Maybe there's opportunities in
• 1:18:43
  TV broadcasting maybe radio, I'm kind of like, you know what I
• 1:18:47
  mean? Like the ideas are coming
• 1:18:49
  through acting, I've discovered like voice acting, which I have
• 1:18:52
  actually had some opportunities to do finally.
• 1:18:56
  And it's exciting. It's, it's like acting but it's
• 1:19:03
  Kind of isolated. It's I don't know.
• 1:19:05
  It's very you still got to go through the same motions but you
• 1:19:10
  kind of got a really put that emphasis on The Voice.
• 1:19:13
  Obviously, in a way that I don't feel you have to do always with
• 1:19:20
  straight at it. If that makes sense.
• 1:19:21
  If you're not in. Yeah, it's even like in voice
• 1:19:24
  acting, I haven't done a lot of voice acting but even with it
• 1:19:27
  too. It's like, if we're having a
• 1:19:28
  normal conversation right now and we're on film, and I'm
• 1:19:31
  supposed to be a little upset like, maybe, I'll Click this
• 1:19:34
  button voice acting. Do you talk like this?
• 1:19:37
  Like, that's not going to work. You can emphasize away the
• 1:19:40
  emphasize being upset without being too, overbearing, but also
• 1:19:46
  a little bit more in fatik in the voice.
• 1:19:49
  So, voice acting is like a huge skill that people Overlook in my
• 1:19:53
  opinion. Oh yeah, I think it's getting
• 1:19:55
  bigger but it's very slow with voice acting.
• 1:20:00
  I think I think it helps that we've got major actors like,
• 1:20:03
  Bradley Cooper was he did it in the little got my mind's, gone
• 1:20:07
  blank, the Guardians of the Galaxy movies and the Marvel,
• 1:20:10
  you know, Avengers movies and stuff.
• 1:20:13
  And literally I mean that was the best gig ever.
• 1:20:15
  He didn't you just showed up to the studio, did all his stuff
• 1:20:19
  done? Guess the shop at the premier's?
• 1:20:21
  Great, no, silly bodysuits. No.
• 1:20:25
  Long waiting for 18 hours until you finally get caught, you
• 1:20:29
  know, it's just Studio. Go home.
• 1:20:33
  It. But anyway, let's move it
• 1:20:37
  forward. I got some random questions for
• 1:20:39
  you, so you are from New Jersey. Yes.
• 1:20:44
  What are the best and worst things about New Jersey.
• 1:20:48
  The BET, one of the best things about New Jersey, which I didn't
• 1:20:51
  even think about until. I got older, was the fact that
• 1:20:54
  if I want to go to the beach, like it takes me 15 minutes,
• 1:20:59
  which is something like growing up.
• 1:21:01
  I was like, okay, like everyone has that, right?
• 1:21:03
  But as you get older, you realize just how much of like a
• 1:21:05
  luxury and like how much of a cool thing that is to be able to
• 1:21:09
  just go to like the beach and see the ocean.
• 1:21:11
  Like, there's some people that never see the ocean in their
• 1:21:14
  life and like, which is like crazy to me when you really
• 1:21:18
  think about it. Like that's weird.
• 1:21:20
  Yeah, for me, it's like 15 minutes.
• 1:21:22
  Like I can literally go to the beach every day and then there's
• 1:21:25
  some people. Were you think that live in like
• 1:21:27
  North Dakota? They probably are they probably
• 1:21:30
  haven't like been able to go to a beach or something like that.
• 1:21:33
  So that's Travel out at least, you know, it's like, you just
• 1:21:37
  got it. I mean, I grew up in London, but
• 1:21:40
  we don't really have any beat while we don't have any beaches
• 1:21:42
  there. But like you go to places that
• 1:21:44
  have benches. You just you go you because you
• 1:21:47
  need to see that stuff, at least, once they given that.
• 1:21:50
  Like, like, are you saying it's like to go to see a beach.
• 1:21:53
  It's like a vacation right? For me to go.
• 1:21:56
  See Beach is like a, our trip like it's a Saturday.
• 1:22:01
  Yeah, it's basically for 30 minutes.
• 1:22:03
  Leave. And then like another really
• 1:22:05
  cool thing is the fact that the city New York City is so close
• 1:22:09
  without being in the city. So that's like a really cool
• 1:22:14
  thing for me. So I've said, I've had some some
• 1:22:17
  New Jersey people in the show. I've had some New Yorkers on the
• 1:22:20
  show. I've had people from outside,
• 1:22:21
  everyone seems to have interesting opinions on this.
• 1:22:24
  Where does the kind of New York versus New Jersey?
• 1:22:28
  Whole rivalry come from, is that purely sports-based, because
• 1:22:33
  I've seen Popular culture it's like a big thing.
• 1:22:35
  I mean very famously. I saw it in How I Met Your
• 1:22:37
  Mother as Ted is constantly going on about the character of
• 1:22:40
  Ted is concert going on about how he hates New Jersey in.
• 1:22:42
  It's like, I get the jokes to some extent, but it's like,
• 1:22:46
  what's the deal here? Like it just seems like
• 1:22:48
  different places. Um, I'd say more, so, it's
• 1:22:51
  definitely a sport thing, but I think a lot of times it's just
• 1:22:57
  New Jersey. People versus New York, people
• 1:22:59
  are very different types of people, right?
• 1:23:01
  Yeah, go. You think a lot of people that
• 1:23:06
  don't know, New Jersey, people think that the Jersey Shore,
• 1:23:09
  like Russia is strictly New Jersey people, which isn't
• 1:23:14
  necessarily accurate. But like I understand what did
• 1:23:20
  you think of that show? When you saw it, was it um,
• 1:23:22
  Berra Singh, was it true for in some degree like it's truthful
• 1:23:28
  in some degree? I mean it's a huge show.
• 1:23:30
  Like even here, it's like in New Jersey, it's like huge.
• 1:23:32
  Like there's so many like Jersey Shore bands here, but I think
• 1:23:36
  part of the reason that it's so huge, here is the fact that like
• 1:23:39
  the Jersey Shore House, you can like easily go.
• 1:23:43
  To like, it's not that, like, it's not like Sometimes you'll
• 1:23:48
  see houses in, like, reality shows and stuff like that.
• 1:23:51
  It's like assets actually housed.
• 1:23:52
  The Jersey Shore House is real and you can like walk right up
• 1:23:55
  to it without any like issues. So I think that that's like a
• 1:23:59
  huge thing. And that's what makes it so
• 1:24:01
  popular here too. Oh cool.
• 1:24:05
  Okay, I go bit more of a serious question now.
• 1:24:07
  So put your thinking cap on this.
• 1:24:10
  Do you have any life goals outside of your work that you
• 1:24:13
  want to achieve? Um, yeah.
• 1:24:16
  So currently like Right now, I'm in college.
• 1:24:18
  I go for music production. Awesome.
• 1:24:21
  Awesome. So kind of very intertwined in
• 1:24:26
  my career as well, but that's like, my goal is to, obviously
• 1:24:29
  graduate get a degree and like, overall, just I want to be able
• 1:24:34
  to like, eventually down the line have a family have like a
• 1:24:37
  career. I want to have a career that
• 1:24:39
  when I look back on it, I can say in life.
• 1:24:42
  Okay? This is what I did in my career,
• 1:24:45
  and this is What I did in my like life and be able to have
• 1:24:49
  those to be separate but also combined in the big picture, if
• 1:24:54
  that makes sense. So awesome.
• 1:24:56
  And I think that I thought I totally agree with you.
• 1:24:59
  It's the same for me. A lot of these things are
• 1:25:03
  dependent on money. I'll be real but I think it's
• 1:25:06
  that that's the great thing isn't it?
• 1:25:07
  Like once you got the money to do some things, it's more a case
• 1:25:11
  of vision and what you're able to, you know, it's like
• 1:25:16
  Napoleon. Jill said, whatever the mind can
• 1:25:18
  conceive, it can achieve. And I think there's a lot of
• 1:25:20
  Truth in that and it's about how much work you put in and then
• 1:25:24
  take advantage of certain opportunities as well.
• 1:25:26
  I think sometimes certain opportunities are hidden in a
• 1:25:32
  way like they'll be presented in a way a weird way.
• 1:25:34
  And you'll be like, well, why would they do that?
• 1:25:36
  And it's like, no, you maybe you should do that.
• 1:25:38
  Like, who knows where it can go like, who knows?
• 1:25:41
  Who you'll meet? That's exactly.
• 1:25:43
  Yeah, awesome man. So I could do you have any I
• 1:25:49
  know this will sound like a bit of a weird question, but bear
• 1:25:51
  with me do you have any kind of like side hustles or jobs that
• 1:25:53
  you're using to kind of fund what you're doing now?
• 1:25:57
  Or are you able to kind of fully live off music and acting and
• 1:26:00
  stuff? Like well how are you able to
• 1:26:01
  make this all happen? Well, luckily I'm young.
• 1:26:04
  So I mean, I still I have a luxury of a I live with my
• 1:26:07
  parents live. I live at home.
• 1:26:09
  I do all that. So for like the longest time,
• 1:26:12
  like my career was able to kind of go through work like Through
• 1:26:17
  itself basically like a lot of stuff was funded through them.
• 1:26:20
  I've had real jobs though. I've worked at Chipotle.
• 1:26:24
  Was I like that was horrible? Honestly.
• 1:26:27
  Oh, please tell please tell. This is what I was hoping for a
• 1:26:31
  portly. Was honestly probably one of the
• 1:26:34
  hardest experience because it was like I'd go to school till
• 1:26:38
  3:00. I had to get it to pull a at
• 1:26:40
  3:30 and then stay until closing.
• 1:26:43
  And there was just so many people every single day.
• 1:26:47
  Lined up and it's like this is like something was like I hate
• 1:26:49
  complaining about it because I have like the luxury of being
• 1:26:52
  able to get paid for acting which is in music, which is like
• 1:26:55
  awesome. And then it's like having it
• 1:26:58
  like a real job was horrible. Absolutely hated working
• 1:27:01
  Chipotle. The only thing I enjoyed about
• 1:27:04
  it is you got during the breaks, you got free food, you could eat
• 1:27:09
  whatever you want. So that was a plus.
• 1:27:12
  And then the end of the day, a lot of the food gets thrown out
• 1:27:15
  so you can take food home with you.
• 1:27:16
  So those are like the two pluses.
• 1:27:19
  One thing I want to just point out that was interesting.
• 1:27:22
  You said that but I've heard as well you mentioned that it's a
• 1:27:25
  sort of a real job. Now I understand where that kind
• 1:27:29
  of phrasing comes from because there's a lot of people out
• 1:27:31
  there. Go ho, well, acting must be
• 1:27:34
  easy. You know all you have to do is
• 1:27:36
  act in front of a camera and you get paid this money, you get
• 1:27:38
  this and you get that and it's like, you know what, until
• 1:27:42
  you've been on a set for 18 19 hours.
• 1:27:47
  Single day standing around doing nothing.
• 1:27:52
  Don't tell me that it's not a real job.
• 1:27:56
  It's just different. It's yeah.
• 1:27:58
  Every and that's something I think I kind of characterize it
• 1:28:01
  as like a real job in my mind just because it's like real
• 1:28:05
  world. Kind of?
• 1:28:06
  Yeah, it's a job but I think in my opinions like I'm the only
• 1:28:10
  kind of person in like my friend and like my inner circle oh
• 1:28:13
  great like does but does this like um, Both my parents, my
• 1:28:19
  dad, he was retired police officer.
• 1:28:22
  He also works in like education and like rights curriculum and
• 1:28:25
  stuff like that. My mom Jesus, she works in like
• 1:28:29
  the field of mental health. Like she's a social worker and
• 1:28:32
  she's therapist all that and, like, my friends, even the
• 1:28:36
  people that I have signed to my label that like, do this, like,
• 1:28:39
  one of my best friends. The one that I mentioned
• 1:28:41
  earlier, I kind of turned her into a rapper like she, that
• 1:28:45
  wasn't what she was looking to do.
• 1:28:47
  Bad influence that influence she has like real jobs and she has
• 1:28:53
  like real goals and like life. And so it's like for me I kind
• 1:28:56
  of fell into like accidentally characterizing it as like a real
• 1:29:00
  like a real job. Versus not a real job.
• 1:29:03
  Yeah. Just because it was like
• 1:29:04
  something so different and for me I guess it's like I'm still
• 1:29:09
  so amazed. It's like I get paid for doing
• 1:29:13
  what I've literally dreamed about doing.
• 1:29:15
  So when you I think About that. It's I guess for me it's like,
• 1:29:19
  it's not a job, it's just fun. Dude, I know the feeling like in
• 1:29:23
  the few times I've been paid for acting gigs or one of even when
• 1:29:28
  I started working in marketing, like I felt the same way as I
• 1:29:31
  can't believe. They pay me to do this.
• 1:29:34
  What you told me years ago when I was like slaving away in a
• 1:29:38
  hotel job or slaving away and supermarkets and all the other
• 1:29:42
  stuff that I've spoken a great deal about on the show?
• 1:29:46
  So I do apologize. I am trying to talk less and
• 1:29:48
  less about those things. I feel sorry for my audience
• 1:29:53
  sometimes anyway. Ya know if you told me about
• 1:29:56
  then I would have been paid to like, you know, right things for
• 1:29:59
  a living or paid to. I don't know.
• 1:30:02
  Do a couple of lines for an audio drama and get paid for
• 1:30:05
  that. I would have been like, that's
• 1:30:07
  what that's crazy, but it's true.
• 1:30:09
  I mean, I think it's just, you have to keep putting yourself
• 1:30:11
  out there. Keep trying.
• 1:30:12
  And eventually the universe does, It's Magic, but you got to
• 1:30:16
  keep pushing yourself. Yeah, like I definitely I
• 1:30:20
  absolutely like agreed something so crazy.
• 1:30:23
  Because like, I when I was like three years old, I got a drum
• 1:30:27
  set for either Christmas or my birthday.
• 1:30:30
  And I played that drum set every single day and I was like, my
• 1:30:35
  mom dad look like. I'm like, a little rock star and
• 1:30:37
  like, it was like something I loved, and I never would have
• 1:30:39
  just like, obviously when you're that old.
• 1:30:41
  You don't think like oh what am I gonna do?
• 1:30:43
  What's my job going to be think like something that I did as
• 1:30:46
  like just a little. A fun like every kid grabs a
• 1:30:49
  drumstick and like hits the drums a few times like to be
• 1:30:52
  able to say like this is like what I like do for a living and
• 1:30:56
  like even still. Now I wouldn't characterize it
• 1:30:59
  as doing it for a living. Like although yes, that's is I
• 1:31:02
  wouldn't really characterize. It is what I do for a living.
• 1:31:05
  And so like I'm like, living like on my own and like but like
• 1:31:09
  just to be able to be paid for in general is just really the
• 1:31:12
  coolest thing. Awesome, man.
• 1:31:15
  Awesome. I know you were you're a young
• 1:31:17
  lad but you know, I've been asking all of my guests on the
• 1:31:20
  show this and I think it's always it always gets people
• 1:31:23
  thinking. It's an interesting question and
• 1:31:25
  I find it interesting because, you know, all of our lives are
• 1:31:27
  so very different and the things that we, that we learn, the
• 1:31:30
  things that we pick up and, you know, our different
• 1:31:33
  perspectives. So, what's the biggest life
• 1:31:37
  lesson that you've learned so far?
• 1:31:41
  Honestly, I feel like it's been instilled in me since I was
• 1:31:44
  like, very young. Just appreciate what you have
• 1:31:47
  and stay humble with it. Like, I'm like not every I'm not
• 1:31:52
  like the type of person where I'm like, oh I'm an actor.
• 1:31:55
  I'm a musician. Like I am above you because
• 1:31:58
  quite honestly, there are people that don't do this and that
• 1:32:02
  don't do what I do. That played so much more
• 1:32:05
  important roles in like people's lives than me.
• 1:32:09
  So like I just Appreciate like everything that I have and then
• 1:32:12
  I'm able to do. And I think what's great for me
• 1:32:15
  is it's like, keep keep in mind the little things too.
• 1:32:20
  Like I'm like we talked about him like I'm such a huge like
• 1:32:23
  superhero fan. Like, I'm still like a child at
• 1:32:27
  Heart. Like I will literally sit down,
• 1:32:30
  like, if I have like a break right out, not like busy trying
• 1:32:32
  to work on things, I will sit down, watch cartoons and eat
• 1:32:36
  snacks all day if I could. And so it's Like really just
• 1:32:40
  stay. Stay true to yourself, and just
• 1:32:42
  stay who you are at all times, basically.
• 1:32:45
  And the grimaud, man, and there's there's hope for the
• 1:32:47
  future. If a 19 year old is saying this,
• 1:32:50
  then the future looks bright. Now, as we draw things to a
• 1:32:54
  close for today, do you have any upcoming sort of projects or
• 1:32:57
  some final thoughts that you'd like to leave our listings with
• 1:32:59
  today? Just this song, March 26th.
• 1:33:02
  My new song, cut through Insomniac is coming out.
• 1:33:06
  You guys can listen to it anywhere.
• 1:33:07
  Anywhere that you listen to music.
• 1:33:09
  It's going to be a Noble. Just check it out to be.
• 1:33:11
  Awesome. Absolutely.
• 1:33:13
  Go stream the hell out of it's a great track.
• 1:33:15
  Now, thank you very much for appearing on the show Colin.
• 1:33:19
  It's been an absolute pleasure and I wish you the best of luck
• 1:33:23
  with your acting career, your music, everything then future is
• 1:33:27
  very bright for you and it's been a pleasure of learning
• 1:33:29
  about you and your life. Thank you, thank you for having
• 1:33:32
  me. It's been fun and to everyone
• 1:33:34
  listening to the Christian read podcast.
• 1:33:36
  I hope this has been another X and episode for you guys.
• 1:33:39
  As it has been for me, I hope that you're leaving us a review
• 1:33:43
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• 1:33:50
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• 1:33:52
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• 1:33:55
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• 1:33:57
  listening and until next time, peace out.
• 1:33:59
  One love. I'll see you in the next one.