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Credlin | 4 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kredland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Steve Price with you.
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Speaker 2: Peter will be back with you next week. Is What's
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Speaker 2: coming up tonight on Kredlin. The US continues to warn
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Speaker 2: that the biggest phase of this demolition of Iran is
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Speaker 2: still to come, and promise to use the US Navy
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Speaker 2: to escort oil tankers through the Straits of Hormuz. The
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Speaker 2: Australians Greg Sheridan joins US as Iran elect the son
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Speaker 2: of the slain Ayatola as their new leader. Disaster's new
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Speaker 2: polling for the embattled Victorian Premier to Cinder Allen as
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Speaker 2: an angry public demand answers on the corrupt big build projects.
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Speaker 2: We'll have more on that shortly. Emirates Airlines gets an
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Speaker 2: A three eighty off the ground in Dubai headed for
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Speaker 2: Sydney with two hundred they say old Australians on board,
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Speaker 2: but leaving more than one thousand still trapped their flight centers.
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Speaker 2: Graham Turner explains how the Middle East tourist hubs will
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Speaker 2: get back up and running, and we examine the shock
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Speaker 2: admission from the new South Wales Premier Chris mens that
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Speaker 2: if you host a renewable project like a wind farm
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Speaker 2: on your property as a farmer and the company running
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Speaker 2: it goes broke and leaves the project to rot, you
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Speaker 2: the farmer are responsible for the cleaner. What a shocking
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Speaker 2: mistake that is to Greg Sheridan and news of the
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Speaker 2: new Iranian leader in a moment but talking leaders, Victorian
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Speaker 2: Premier to cinder Allen, staring down a potential state election
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Speaker 2: defeat at the November poll, will after fresh polls out today,
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Speaker 2: we'll raise questions around whether she survives in the job
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Speaker 2: to actually get to polling day now. Desperate to hang
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Speaker 2: on and be elected in her own right after being
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Speaker 2: installed by the disliked former Premier Daniel Andrews, Cinder Allen
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Speaker 2: was today out for the second day in a row,
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Speaker 2: sprooking her plan disastrous legislated work from home scheme that
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Speaker 2: will make it illegal for an employer without special circuit
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Speaker 2: stances to deny a worker the right to work from
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Speaker 2: home two days a week.
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Speaker 3: The law will apply to all workers in all businesses everywhere,
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Speaker 3: regardless of the size. And we're doing this because it's fair.
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Speaker 3: It's fair for all workers, regardless of the size of
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Speaker 3: their workplace.
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Speaker 2: The premier obviously believes this is a central plank for
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Speaker 2: getting Labor elected for a record breaking fourth term, meaning
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Speaker 2: that Labor in Victoria, by the end of a win
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Speaker 2: in November and another four years will have been in
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Speaker 2: charge ruled Victoria run it into the ground over an
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Speaker 2: unbroken sixteen years now. Jasidre Allen's other move to convince
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Speaker 2: an angry, disillusion electorate to vote Labor again is moving
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Speaker 2: on juvenile crime with an adult time for adult crime
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Speaker 2: bill that no one really believes will flow through the courts. Here,
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Speaker 2: she was a week or so ago claiming that will work.
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Speaker 3: For these serious violent offenses that are causing not just
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Speaker 3: concern but harm in communities. There are going to be
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Speaker 3: serious consequences for those offenders where are being treated in
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Speaker 3: the adult court.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, as if now, giving workers such a hold over
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Speaker 2: an employer can only go one way in my view,
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Speaker 2: And she has included small businesses in these changes where
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Speaker 2: they thought they would be excluded. Cindra Allen tried to
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Speaker 2: make the argument that a worker in a small business
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Speaker 2: should have the same rights as someone who works in
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Speaker 2: one of the big banks. Now it's a crazy argument,
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Speaker 2: and as one small business owner posted online learning of
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Speaker 2: the extreme employment changes yesterday, said quote, this will kill
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Speaker 2: our economy. She has no idea what she's doing. More
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Speaker 2: costs to business, least officers sitting bear cafes are empty.
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Speaker 2: People become isolated, but they get to save on their petrol,
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Speaker 2: well said, and another pointed out, well, he would simply
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Speaker 2: offshore the job to the the Philippines, pay a lower
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Speaker 2: wage and have some one work the hours that he wants,
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Speaker 2: not the hours that the government wants. Now, the latest
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Speaker 2: Fresh Order polls that were published in the Heralds on
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Speaker 2: today are a cascading headache and a disaster for labor.
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Speaker 2: Showing an answer to the question who would you vote
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Speaker 2: for if an election were held today, Labour is in
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Speaker 2: front by just one percent at twenty eight to twenty
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Speaker 2: seven for the coalition. One nation, like it is nationally,
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Speaker 2: has surged in a state renowned for being a weak
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Speaker 2: spot for them, sitting at twenty three percent. The Greens
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Speaker 2: are on thirteen and others at nine. This clearly has
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Speaker 2: the Premiere worried and spooped this one nation vote. She
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Speaker 2: knows some of it, a lot of it comes off
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Speaker 2: Labour's numbers. Why else would you have this aggravated response
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Speaker 2: to a question today about Pauline Hanson and her party.
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Speaker 3: The Liberal Party used to fight Pauline Hanson and One Nation.
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Speaker 3: The Liberal Party used to stand up and with and
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Speaker 3: four the great diversity of this state. The Liberal Party
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Speaker 3: have abandoned the Victorian community to the division and divisiveness
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Speaker 3: of paul Ane Hanson and One Nation.
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Speaker 2: You can see right there that she's running scared. But
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Speaker 2: as the preferred premier question where to Cinder Allen is
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Speaker 2: in big trouble. The newly installed opposition leader Jess Wilson,
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Speaker 2: a largely unknown figure outside of Victoria even in the
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Speaker 2: wider part of Victoria, is on forty six percent, with
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Speaker 2: the premier trailing on a dismal thirty percent and sinking
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Speaker 2: the Victorian Labor Party are ruthless, as we saw during
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Speaker 2: the twelve year reign of Daniel Andrews, a man able
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Speaker 2: to get elected three times despite his crippling, soul destroying
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Speaker 2: COVID lockdowns. Now, I think Labour has two choices, But
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Speaker 2: if they decide on the first, which I doubt, they
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Speaker 2: better hurry up and move fast, dump to Cinder Allen
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Speaker 2: and install a much more moderate face of Labour's Ben
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Speaker 2: Carroll or what's more likely to happen. In my view,
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Speaker 2: Labour narrowly scrape across the line in November, reducing their
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Speaker 2: sixteen seat majority to two or three seats, and the
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Speaker 2: Premier loses her seat of Bendigo East to a high
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Speaker 2: profile Nationals candidate. If he stands as a spect he
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Speaker 2: will in Andrew Lethling in those same polls is one
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Speaker 2: hell of a pothole for the Premier. When asked the
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Speaker 2: question do you support her a pose further investigations like
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Speaker 2: a Royal Commission which she's refused to have into CFMIU corruption,
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Speaker 2: the answer was overwhelming. Fifty one percent strongly support yes
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Speaker 2: and twenty three percent supports slightly. That's seventy four percent
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Speaker 2: of those asked answering a pose strongly or slightly a
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Speaker 2: paltry seven percent. This is a minefield with five billion
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Speaker 2: dollars a taxpayer's money gone missing handed around Jacinda Allen's neck,
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Speaker 2: and she has no answer because guests, who was the
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Speaker 2: minister in charge of those big bill projects when the
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Speaker 2: rauting occurred. She was already She's declared to give the
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Speaker 2: States Corruption Body I back the powers it needs to
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Speaker 2: chase the money trail. She was asked if she would
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Speaker 2: do that and said no. And perhaps just as bad,
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Speaker 2: the left leaning Age newspaper, who are natural supporters of
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Speaker 2: labor and their star reporter Nick Mackenzie are determined to
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Speaker 2: hold the government to account. Work from home and a
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Speaker 2: pretend tough on crime stance is not going to save
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Speaker 2: the premier. One way or another. Head to Cameron Nowt
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Speaker 2: for tonight's political Headlines with Sky News's political reporter cam
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Speaker 2: Redden Good evening.
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Speaker 4: Economic growth picked up at the end of last year,
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Speaker 4: but an oil price shock and the Middle East war
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Speaker 4: post several new challenges.
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Speaker 5: Economic consequences are uncertain, but they are likely to be very.
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Speaker 4: Substantial, substantial enough to have the Reserve Bank governor considering
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Speaker 4: another rate rise this month. Yes, every meeting is life,
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Speaker 4: So will you perform invasive surgery on the budget to
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Speaker 4: get it in better shape, to get us through those challenges.
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Speaker 5: Now we are meeting very frequently and often into the
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Speaker 5: night with colleagues from the Expenditure Review Committee, and these
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Speaker 5: things are obviously weighing very heavily on our considerations for
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Speaker 5: the budget.
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Speaker 2: You know, Debi, Speaker, there's a Billy Joel song that
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Speaker 2: sounds kind of relevant. Do to Do, To Do Do
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Speaker 2: the treasurer did start the inflation fire. The inflation's burning
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Speaker 2: while the treasure is squirming.
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Speaker 4: As conflict rages, Tens of thousands of Australians remain stranded abroad.
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Speaker 6: We understand this is a very distressing and challenging time
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Speaker 6: for Australians who have been caught up in these events.
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Speaker 4: This morning, a flight carrying two hundred Australians managed to
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Speaker 4: depart Dubai. Additional consular teams are being sent to the region,
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Speaker 4: but as yet there is no attempt at repatriation. I
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Speaker 4: want to assure you that we will continue to do
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Speaker 4: all that we can't to get Australians home. Cameron Adams,
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Speaker 4: Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Cam. My life would be much better if
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Speaker 2: I never saw Tim Wilson sing another song. I've got
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Speaker 2: to say, let's get stuck into some more of the
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Speaker 2: day's political developments. Our panel joining me tonight, Sky News
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Speaker 2: host James Morrow and senior reporter Caroline Marcus. Welcome to
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Speaker 2: you both. Let's start with this idea that we shelve
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Speaker 2: out lots of taxpayers' money to mosques around the country.
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Speaker 2: It looks like Labour's going to freeze that seven hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand odd dollars, which is an extraordinary amount of money
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Speaker 2: to at least one Islamic center after the Coalition pushed
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Speaker 2: them on that yesterday. This is the Taha Community Association
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Speaker 2: in Dandenong, which is one of these mosques that held
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Speaker 2: a commemoration for the slain HARMANI, the Iranian leader, James,
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Speaker 2: why are we dishing out great wads of money to
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Speaker 2: these religious organizations, no matter what the religion is. Why
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Speaker 2: are we giving that outfit in dan and on seven
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars?
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Speaker 7: Well, it's rais is a whole lot of questions here.
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Speaker 7: You know, we've seen a whole number of site Muslim
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Speaker 7: prayer halls, mosques that sort of thing in the recent
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Speaker 7: days having days of mourning for the Ayatola. Now this
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Speaker 7: is just absolutely shocking to me and it raises I
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Speaker 7: think a number of questions beyond just the funding. You know,
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Speaker 7: back when Nosrala died, the head of Hesbelah, at least
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Speaker 7: one of these mosques in Sydney did the exact same thing.
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Speaker 7: They held big prayer services to memorialize the dead terrorists.
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Speaker 7: Now This was shocking at the time, and now we
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Speaker 7: see this again with the death of the Ayahtola. It
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Speaker 7: raises a bunch of questions. I mean, not just about
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Speaker 7: why are these sorts of organizations being funded, but what
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Speaker 7: they're actually doing and why they're allowed to operate in
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Speaker 7: the first place. I mean, we talk about social cohesion.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister talks about, oh, we leave our ancient
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Speaker 7: hatreds in the customs Hale. Well, I'm sorry. I think
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Speaker 7: some of them may have slipped through here.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Caroline, that particular moss that we're talking about,
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Speaker 2: or this organization in Dananong. We saw a vision run
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Speaker 2: on sky of people weeping inside that organization and making
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Speaker 2: sad speeches about a butcher of a leader of Iran.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's extraordinary, it.
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Speaker 8: Is Sadly, it doesn't surprise me James's ride. Not only
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Speaker 8: did some of these mosques commemorate the death of Nasrallah,
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Speaker 8: they commemorated the death of Hesbal fighters and terrorists. There
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Speaker 8: were plenty that I reported on at the time, and
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Speaker 8: in this case, it just it boggles the mind. How
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Speaker 8: these places I'm being gone after by the police. I
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Speaker 8: know that the executive Council of Australian Drewury. They're calling
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Speaker 8: for exactly that today, the peak Jewish body for police
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Speaker 8: to clamp down on these institutions because if the honoring
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Speaker 8: of the head of a terrorist regime, and that is
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Speaker 8: what the Revolutionary Guard called is in Australia. Now, if
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Speaker 8: the honoring of that sort of butcher and terrorist leader
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Speaker 8: is allowed and doesn't meet the threshold for supporting and
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Speaker 8: promoting terror in this country, then honestly what does. But
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Speaker 8: sadly I don't have any confidence in authorities to act.
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Speaker 8: They haven't over the past couple of years. It was
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Speaker 8: up to the Jewish peak body to go after with
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Speaker 8: some Haddad, another notorious Islamic hate preacher that has been
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Speaker 8: linked to the surviving Bondli gunman, to go after him
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Speaker 8: in a civil court which finally made orders against him.
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Speaker 8: The police didn't act, So yet again we're gonna hear
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Speaker 8: politicians meally mouthed about this issue. Albaneze can say what
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Speaker 8: he likes, but if authorities, police don't clamp down on it,
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Speaker 8: we're going to see this time and time again.
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Speaker 2: And James, this is not just limited to the people
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Speaker 2: who turn up at these places to listen to what's
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Speaker 2: going on on They live stream this stuff. So how's
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Speaker 2: that not seen as contraveting height laws when you're sending
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Speaker 2: that stuff out on the internet to anyone who wants
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Speaker 2: to log on and watch it.
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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I mean you do get into those sorts
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Speaker 7: of issues. They're certainly around the hate speech laws. Now,
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Speaker 7: I mean there's a lot of sort of ways you
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Speaker 7: can look at the hate speech laws and whether or
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Speaker 7: not that's the best thing. The best thing to do
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Speaker 7: about this sort of thing is just drive it under ground,
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Speaker 7: because that's all you will wind up doing is if
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Speaker 7: you say you can't do that. But I think it
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Speaker 7: also really starts to raise questions about you know, culture
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Speaker 7: and what do we have here in Australia. And you know,
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Speaker 7: we have a very special pluralist, tolerant culture that's mad
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Speaker 7: people from many different faith and so on. But it's
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Speaker 7: clear that some subsets of some cultures do bring values
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Speaker 7: here that glorify everything that we stand against.
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Speaker 2: Caroline pulling Hansen on the Osis Brides, which is the
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Speaker 2: other issue that we're still not got to the bottom of.
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Speaker 2: I still can't work out how somebody turned up at
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Speaker 2: an embassy and picked up a bag full of passports
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Speaker 2: and suddenly handed them over to these people. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I thought you had to personally yourself turn up if
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Speaker 2: you wanted to get a passport. But Pauline says she's
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Speaker 2: been contacted by various New South Wales prison guards who
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Speaker 2: are worried that they have been receiving training to keep
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Speaker 2: a watch over these returning brides. Presumably they're going to
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Speaker 2: be locked up. I mean, Hansen says this cohort if
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Speaker 2: they get back, could end up at the Windsor Women's
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Speaker 2: correction facility. I think that's now been denied, but there
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Speaker 2: must be some germ of truth to this. I mean,
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Speaker 2: are you comfortable that we really know exactly what's gone
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Speaker 2: on in the background with these people.
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Speaker 8: I'm not comfortable at all, Steve, and I don't care
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Speaker 8: whether they end up at this Windsor facility, which the
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Speaker 8: New South Wales government has said that's not true. We've
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Speaker 8: heard now Instead they're going to head to another Sydney jail,
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Speaker 8: silver Water, as if that's much better. Anyway, they're still
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Speaker 8: going to put other prison guards at rest, other female
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Speaker 8: inmates at risk, because there is no doubt that these
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Speaker 8: women have been completely radicalized. And I'm not confident that
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Speaker 8: you can ever completely recover from that. They went to
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Speaker 8: Syria knowing that they were joining this barbaric death cult
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Speaker 8: of a terror group, and as Peter Kreedlin likes to say,
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Speaker 8: ISIS brides, that term itself minimizes who these people are.
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Speaker 8: These are ISIS women who went over to support this
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Speaker 8: death cult. We shouldn't be having them back in Australia anywhere,
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Speaker 8: let alone within the prison system. I mean better in
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Speaker 8: the prison system than out in the general community shore.
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Speaker 8: But they shouldn't be entitled to come here. And I
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Speaker 8: don't understand why it's so hard for the rest of
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Speaker 8: us to go through the bureaucratic processes of getting a passport.
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Speaker 8: It looks like it's much easier if you're an ISIS
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Speaker 8: supporter and sympathizer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that absolutely puzzles me. I can't work it out. James.
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Speaker 2: The other question you've got to ask, and we don't
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Speaker 2: know the answer to this, but if you're a twelve
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Speaker 2: third fourteen year old child in one of those camps,
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Speaker 2: and we saw that vision that Sky's been playing of
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Speaker 2: another camp with these kids throwing rocks and going like
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Speaker 2: this across their throat, to an American journalist, how we
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Speaker 2: can we be convinced or what guarantees can we have
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Speaker 2: that these kids have not been radicalized?
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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, exactly right. And you know, there's a lot
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Speaker 7: of misinformation around all of this that comes straight out
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Speaker 7: of the Labor government about this. And one of these
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Speaker 7: things is this whole idea that you have an automatic
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Speaker 7: right to return. Well, it's actually not in the constitution.
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Speaker 7: There's a lot of claims that it's in the Constitution.
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Speaker 7: I've looked through it. I have not been able to
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Speaker 7: find this. Now, they're sort of an implied right under
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Speaker 7: international law. But you know international law, well, you know,
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Speaker 7: what are you going to do with that. The thing is, though,
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Speaker 7: that where there is law on this, and we've spoken
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Speaker 7: about this on this program many times. Here is the
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Speaker 7: Passport Act, and the Passport Act says officials do not
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Speaker 7: have to and in fact should not issue a passport
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Speaker 7: to someone who is deemed to be a potential threat
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Speaker 7: to life and limb here in Australia for them to
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Speaker 7: return to Australia. And I think the prima facia evidence
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Speaker 7: here is that you know that threshold has been met.
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Speaker 7: The very fact that we're even having the discussion about
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Speaker 7: what prisons need to be you know, prepared potentially for
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Speaker 7: the women, what deradicalization programs need to be prepared for
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Speaker 7: the children, tell you precisely this, and so it's all
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Speaker 7: amazing to me that the government and the Prime Minister
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Speaker 7: and Tony Burke, the Home Affairs Minister, get up in
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Speaker 7: question time over and over again pilot like washing their
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Speaker 7: hands saying we don't want these people here, we have
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Speaker 7: nothing to do with it, you know, we wash our
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Speaker 7: hands of the whole thing, when all of the evidence,
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Speaker 7: of course, is that they have been at arm's length
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Speaker 7: trying to affect that very outcome.
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Speaker 9: It.
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Speaker 7: As you quite correctly point out there when you ask
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Speaker 7: this open up this topic here, Steve, is that you know,
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Speaker 7: this whole idea that there's a sack of thirty four
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Speaker 7: to thirty five passports somewhere that some other third party
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Speaker 7: Australian citizen was allowed to transport across borders, which also
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Speaker 7: raises questions of the Passport Act. You know, obviously there
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Speaker 7: it was government assistance in this whole idea. We don't
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Speaker 7: want them, but we have to bring them back. The
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Speaker 7: law says otherwise.
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Speaker 2: And the government just hope it all goes away, and
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Speaker 2: that's extraordinary. Caroline James, thank you very much for helping
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Speaker 2: us out. I'll catch up with you shortly. Staying in
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Speaker 2: the Middle East, the big developments today a drone attack
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Speaker 2: on the US embassy in Dubai. It was mainly a
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Speaker 2: fire in the car park, but it showed the intention
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Speaker 2: of the Iranians. And it's been reported that Ayatola Hamani's son,
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Speaker 2: Mojaba Hamony, has been elected to replace him as a
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Speaker 2: new Supreme leader. Now I've read that some people suggest
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Speaker 2: that the son is even more radical than the father.
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Speaker 2: The Australian's Foreign editor, Greg Sheridan is here to help
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Speaker 2: me out on that. Greg, what do we know about
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Speaker 2: this son of the dead dictator who looks like he's
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Speaker 2: now going to take charge?
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Speaker 10: Well, Steve, great to be with you. Look, he is
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Speaker 10: a very bad guy. If he is the choice for
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Speaker 10: the succession, then there's been no regime change. There hasn't
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Speaker 10: even been regime alteration.
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Speaker 11: He served in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. He has
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Speaker 11: been a very high figure in security operations. He's been
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Speaker 11: influential in the Vicious Passage militia. He has directed security
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Speaker 11: operations he's been accused of vote rigging, of having a
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Speaker 11: key role in the suppression of dissonance, and he's been
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Speaker 11: accused of personal corruption and having large overseas financial holdings.
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Speaker 11: This represents absolute continuity with the dead father. Mind you,
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Speaker 11: having nominating him at this stage of hostilities is not
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Speaker 11: necessarily good for his long term life expectancy, but it
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Speaker 11: is a I think of defiance by the regime so far,
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Speaker 11: rather than even a sintilla of moderation or compromise.
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Speaker 2: Look, I mean, if nothing, he's put a massive target
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Speaker 2: on his head. And if the Americans in the Israelis,
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Speaker 2: with a combination of the CIA and Mossad could get
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Speaker 2: his father in about forty three or the other people
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Speaker 2: running that country and wipe them out, you reckon that
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Speaker 2: this guy is not long for the world if that's
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Speaker 2: the case. In your column in The Australia Today, you've
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Speaker 2: written that Donald Trump has quote delivered a massive blow
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Speaker 2: to the gray zone warfare. What do he actually mean
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Speaker 2: by that?
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Speaker 10: Well, China and Russia and Iran and a number of
20:42
Speaker 10: other nations previously including Venezuela, attack America and attack its
20:48
Speaker 10: assets and its allies. But in a way which gives
20:52
Speaker 10: them some level of deniability. So the Russians used soldiers
20:56
Speaker 10: not in uniform to attack Ukraine. All those years go
21:00
Speaker 10: to take the crime out. The Chinese use navy ships
21:07
Speaker 10: disguised as civilian ships in the South China Sea. Now
21:10
Speaker 10: Iran is the absolute master of this. It attacks America,
21:14
Speaker 10: kills you know, two hundred and forty American Marines in Lebanon,
21:18
Speaker 10: but it used its proxy hes Bala. So the idea
21:22
Speaker 10: is that when it attacks America, America will strike back
21:26
Speaker 10: only at the proxies and never at Iran. It's made,
21:29
Speaker 10: as far as we know, two attempts to have Donald
21:32
Speaker 10: Trump assassinated. Its sponsored terrorism in America in Australia or
21:37
Speaker 10: through Europe, or through the Middle East in Latin America.
21:40
Speaker 10: And it has a big network of violent proxies that
21:44
Speaker 10: it funds in the Middle East for hertings militias in Iraq,
21:49
Speaker 10: hes Balara, and Hamas. Now the idea is that this
21:53
Speaker 10: will never be enough for America to strike back, because
21:56
Speaker 10: you've got to have clear, identifiable proof of who you're
22:00
Speaker 10: enemy is, or all the usual suspects will say your
22:02
Speaker 10: strike back is against international law. Well, Trump has just
22:05
Speaker 10: blown that to smither Reenes. He said, if you attack us,
22:09
Speaker 10: we're going to attack you. And the proximate justifications for
22:15
Speaker 10: Trump's actions are interesting, and they keep changing and so on.
22:19
Speaker 10: But what this is really is a response to forty
22:22
Speaker 10: or more years of relentless Iranian attacks on America and
22:26
Speaker 10: its allies, including Australia through proxies. And Trump has now
22:31
Speaker 10: said proxies don't protect you anymore. You are responsible. This
22:35
Speaker 10: is the return address. And having attacked us, you are
22:39
Speaker 10: now going to be attacked now. I think that means
22:42
Speaker 10: every other nation in the world which practices gray zone
22:46
Speaker 10: tactics against the US has to recalculate and say, maybe
22:50
Speaker 10: we're not so safe just because we use a proxy
22:54
Speaker 10: to do the killing.
22:57
Speaker 2: Quite rightly, you've been aquittic and and praiseworthy of Donald Trump.
23:02
Speaker 2: What have you made of the leadership of particularly the
23:05
Speaker 2: three main talking heads here in Donald Trump, the President,
23:08
Speaker 2: Marco Rubio, and Pete Hesketh. I think Rubio's come out
23:12
Speaker 2: two days in a row faced the media, and he
23:14
Speaker 2: has been very concise. He called the Iranian leadership today lunatics,
23:19
Speaker 2: and I think Donald Trump is the same word. How
23:21
Speaker 2: would you assess the way that they have gone about
23:25
Speaker 2: what they've done and now justified it when they appear
23:28
Speaker 2: before the media.
23:30
Speaker 10: Well, it's a mixed girl, Steve. The Trump Mark two
23:35
Speaker 10: is quite different from Trump Mark one. He's not sacking
23:39
Speaker 10: his cabinet secretaries and his aides in the way that
23:41
Speaker 10: he did in the first administration. He has fewer adults
23:46
Speaker 10: in the room, but the adults are very good. Rubio
23:49
Speaker 10: and the Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant, Pete heggsith doesn't seem
23:54
Speaker 10: really to a mount rahill of beans. Trump's own justifications
24:00
Speaker 10: been all over the shop. So it's always more important
24:03
Speaker 10: to look at what Trump does than what he says.
24:05
Speaker 10: And you know, on the first day it was all
24:07
Speaker 10: about regime changed. Then a few days later it was
24:09
Speaker 10: about taking out missiles. Then he saying he had to
24:12
Speaker 10: do it because Israel was going to attack, and then
24:16
Speaker 10: Iran would have attacked American bases. Now what Trump says
24:20
Speaker 10: is less important than what he's done, and what he's
24:22
Speaker 10: done is really cripple the Iranian regime. I think Rubio
24:26
Speaker 10: is the impressive person in the administration, and it's a
24:31
Speaker 10: tribute to Rubio that he has maintained Trump's confidence. So
24:36
Speaker 10: he's been a sensible person and he doesn't say things
24:41
Speaker 10: that are patently untrue, which you know, frankly, Steve is
24:44
Speaker 10: just undeliable. Trump often says things which are patently untrue.
24:48
Speaker 10: But there's been a good deal of confusion in the
24:51
Speaker 10: message that's got out, but they've taken very decisive action.
24:56
Speaker 10: One of the problems with confused messaging, though, is that
24:59
Speaker 10: there's very little support for this move in America itself.
25:03
Speaker 10: Only about a quarter of Americans polled displaying strong support
25:08
Speaker 10: for this. Now that's a bit concerning at the beginning
25:12
Speaker 10: of an action which Trump says might last for four
25:14
Speaker 10: or five weeks and which may well involve further American casualties.
25:19
Speaker 10: But you know that's Trump. He's a mixed grill, and
25:22
Speaker 10: it's very decisive action. It's slightly confused explanation, but certainly
25:27
Speaker 10: the American military, I think, seems to be acting with
25:29
Speaker 10: great professionalism and presuson.
25:34
Speaker 2: What do you make of the Iranian spraying these missiles
25:36
Speaker 2: all around the place, including the UAE and Saudi and
25:40
Speaker 2: Cyprus and wherever they can. These people in that region
25:46
Speaker 2: are supposed to be not friends, but you know, it's
25:50
Speaker 2: very unusual for Iran to do that, what are they
25:54
Speaker 2: trying to do unsettle the world? I guess well, I.
25:57
Speaker 10: Think it does make a certain long term sense, Steve.
26:01
Speaker 10: It's the great split in the Muslim world is between
26:04
Speaker 10: Shia and Sunni, and basically the Sunni Gulf Arabs hate
26:08
Speaker 10: and fear Iran, and that's one reason they stick so
26:11
Speaker 10: close to America. There's one reason a number of them
26:14
Speaker 10: now have peace treaties with Israel. But you know, if
26:18
Speaker 10: Iran is not misbehaving, then they're inclined to appease Iran
26:22
Speaker 10: a little bit and go some distance in that direction,
26:24
Speaker 10: but keep their equities with America. Now, in my interpretation,
26:29
Speaker 10: in the short term, these Iranian attacks will just solidify
26:32
Speaker 10: the Gulf States against Iran, bring them ever closer to America.
26:36
Speaker 10: They'll bury their differences with Israel for the moment. But
26:39
Speaker 10: in the long term, what the Iranian regime is trying
26:42
Speaker 10: to exercise is its own version of the terrence. It's saying,
26:45
Speaker 10: if we manage to survive this American campaign, we want
26:50
Speaker 10: you to know that if anybody strikes us militarily, we
26:54
Speaker 10: will strike a whole lot of innocent actors in the
26:57
Speaker 10: Middle East, and we will do our best the oil
27:01
Speaker 10: trade and to disrupt the global economy, and the ability
27:08
Speaker 10: of Iran to fire short term missiles will be very
27:11
Speaker 10: hard to eradicate. You know, Israel had a couple of
27:14
Speaker 10: years going at Hummas and was never able to stop
27:18
Speaker 10: Hummas firing short term missiles at Israel and that whole period. Now,
27:23
Speaker 10: Iran is a giant nation, you know, vastly bigger than Germany,
27:28
Speaker 10: ninety three million people, and missiles and drones are pretty cheap. Therefore,
27:34
Speaker 10: I think if the regime survives, it can probably keep
27:38
Speaker 10: firing missiles, and if it keeps firing missiles, it will
27:42
Speaker 10: impose a cost on the global economy.
27:44
Speaker 12: And on all its neighbors and its messages. Just if
27:48
Speaker 12: you attack us, there will be a cost. Now, that
27:51
Speaker 12: kind of echoes what I was saying before about America's
27:54
Speaker 12: response to the Gray Zone tactics. If you don't show
27:57
Speaker 12: that there's a cost when people attack you, they tend
28:00
Speaker 12: to attack.
28:01
Speaker 10: You a lot. So I can see the military logic
28:04
Speaker 10: in what it ran as doing. It's horrible because it's
28:08
Speaker 10: attacking countries which are not part of the conflict. It's
28:11
Speaker 10: attacking civilians and so on, and it's going to damage
28:15
Speaker 10: the global economy and force up the price of oil
28:17
Speaker 10: and all that. But I can see that they are
28:20
Speaker 10: trying to exercise the terrence. There's a certain military logic
28:24
Speaker 10: in what they're doing. They can't deter and they certainly
28:26
Speaker 10: can't defeat the United States, but they can make life
28:30
Speaker 10: very miserable for the United Arab Emirates and perhaps for
28:33
Speaker 10: Saudi Arabia and so on.
28:36
Speaker 2: And all the tourists trapped there, Gregor look forward to
28:38
Speaker 2: you analysis in the Australian. Thanks for joining us now
28:41
Speaker 2: coming out of the break speaking of the Gulf War
28:44
Speaker 2: and the hummers straight now, can we actually get ships
28:47
Speaker 2: moving again?
28:47
Speaker 13: Well?
28:48
Speaker 2: Donald Trump says we can, plus expert analysis on just
28:51
Speaker 2: how bad petrol and flight prices could get as this
28:55
Speaker 2: war drags on. Welcome back to the price with your Peter,
29:02
Speaker 2: will be back with you next week. I want to
29:04
Speaker 2: look at these flights across the Middle East now, talked
29:06
Speaker 2: a little bit about it with Greg Sheridan. There thousands
29:09
Speaker 2: of people stranded, including Australians. I mean those hubs through there,
29:13
Speaker 2: whether it's Abu Dhabi or Dubai, they are just central
29:17
Speaker 2: to global aviation. Now now I'm told that a Emirates
29:21
Speaker 2: A three eighty took off and is on its way
29:24
Speaker 2: back to Sydney. It's going to land sometime later tonight
29:27
Speaker 2: I think, or maybe early tomorrow morning. It's get it's
29:29
Speaker 2: going to Sydney. It's got to get in through the curfew.
29:31
Speaker 2: I don't know how that's going to work, that Emirates plane.
29:34
Speaker 2: By the way, I was a bit puzzled that we're
29:36
Speaker 2: saying that there was only two hundred people on board,
29:39
Speaker 2: given an A three eighty can hold somewhere between three
29:41
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty and four hundred and fifty people. Some
29:44
Speaker 2: airlines are flying the other way to get people out
29:46
Speaker 2: of the area and into Europe. Certainly there's still people
29:50
Speaker 2: trapped there and they may be there for some time.
29:52
Speaker 2: The Australian government's saying, look, don't go to that area
29:55
Speaker 2: in the Middle East. About twelve thousand flights counseled. Imagine
29:59
Speaker 2: the knock on a around the world with that February
30:02
Speaker 2: twenty eight to today, two and a half million travelers
30:05
Speaker 2: caught in that chaos, and there was a little warning.
30:08
Speaker 2: Someone who knows the aviation industry better than most people
30:11
Speaker 2: in the world Flight Center Australia found a Graham Turner.
30:14
Speaker 2: Good to see you again, Graham. Can you clear that
30:17
Speaker 2: up for me? I don't know if you'd know. And
30:19
Speaker 2: A three eighty can hold a lot more than two
30:21
Speaker 2: hundred people if those reports are accurate. You wonder why
30:25
Speaker 2: Emirates decided to only take two hundred people out of
30:28
Speaker 2: Dubai to Sydney.
30:30
Speaker 14: Yes, Steve, my information is that there's up to six
30:34
Speaker 14: hundred people on that flight, and we've got some of
30:38
Speaker 14: our team on a team that was in Dubai just
30:41
Speaker 14: on an educational but I hadn't heard directly from them,
30:46
Speaker 14: but that's what I've heard, so I agree with you.
30:49
Speaker 14: It would be unusual for an A three eighty two
30:54
Speaker 14: not to have the full complement of carew because I
30:57
Speaker 14: know it was quite a fight for people to get
30:59
Speaker 14: on that flight. And I believe there's another flight hopefully
31:04
Speaker 14: leaving soon to go to Brisbane as well, but we
31:08
Speaker 14: haven't had total confirmation of that yet.
31:13
Speaker 13: Graham.
31:13
Speaker 2: That's going to go direct to Sydney. We're told it's
31:15
Speaker 2: due to arrive around ten twenty. You would hope if
31:18
Speaker 2: they had any delay or whatever. But it's unusual because
31:21
Speaker 2: it's a direct flight that should be fine that they
31:24
Speaker 2: wouldn't shut it down because of the curfew. I mean,
31:26
Speaker 2: I guess they could send it to Brisbane, could they.
31:29
Speaker 14: Look they could and I have you know, you do
31:32
Speaker 14: hear horror stories about this just you know, being slightly late.
31:37
Speaker 14: But I think one of the planes that were turned around,
31:39
Speaker 14: one of the image planes had to go back to
31:41
Speaker 14: Melbourne to Sydney. It's pretty unfortunate, you know, they can't
31:46
Speaker 14: make exceptions for the odd flight like that. And one
31:49
Speaker 14: hopes that, you know, it'll be a sensible decision. But
31:53
Speaker 14: we'll just have to wait and see you on it, Sue.
31:57
Speaker 2: I know that in Dubai that the combination is being
32:01
Speaker 2: fixed up by the Dubai government. I presume that people
32:04
Speaker 2: on that flight back would be paying their own way, are.
32:07
Speaker 1: They look.
32:11
Speaker 14: Yes, but they will be Emirates customers who will have
32:16
Speaker 14: been you know, will have been stranded in Dubai, so
32:22
Speaker 14: they won't be being charged for this again or it
32:26
Speaker 14: would be very rare. They won't be new paying passengers.
32:30
Speaker 14: There'll be people who've been stranded there. Obviously, Dubai has
32:34
Speaker 14: a lot of expats living there, you know, flight centers,
32:38
Speaker 14: we have about two hundred and fifty people, many of
32:41
Speaker 14: whom are expats who actually are based in Dubai. We
32:45
Speaker 14: have a couple of significant businesses there, you know, tech
32:49
Speaker 14: business and a corporate travel business, and so there's a
32:53
Speaker 14: lot of expats both from Australia, Europe, India and other
32:58
Speaker 14: places that live in Dubai as well. But these would
33:01
Speaker 14: be passengers that have been stranded there on a three
33:07
Speaker 14: trip with Emirates.
33:10
Speaker 2: How long just finally, Graham, do you think this is
33:12
Speaker 2: going to take to clear up all let baklo.
33:15
Speaker 14: Look, it's so hard to know, Steve. I mean, like,
33:18
Speaker 14: the mere fact that Emirates is starting to fly is
33:21
Speaker 14: good news for both passengers, for US, for the travel
33:26
Speaker 14: industry in general. But there is no saying that hostilities
33:31
Speaker 14: and particularly i think you mentioned it before, out of
33:35
Speaker 14: Iran could upset what's happening in the UAE again and
33:39
Speaker 14: it could slow things down. But assuming everything moves forward
33:43
Speaker 14: from now, and for example, Qatar's airspace is still shut,
33:49
Speaker 14: Eddie had Abi Dhabi is opening, but only for a
33:53
Speaker 14: few flights. At this stage, it's going to take at
33:57
Speaker 14: least three or four days just to get the people
34:00
Speaker 14: who are stranded in the UAE out of there and
34:04
Speaker 14: then emerates can start flying people back in, always assumeing,
34:09
Speaker 14: of course it's safe to do so because they're obviously
34:12
Speaker 14: safety is paramount for airlines like this and for obvious reasons.
34:18
Speaker 2: All it's good to see you, Graham, thanks for your
34:20
Speaker 2: help on all of that. That flight issues is just
34:22
Speaker 2: a massive one. The way it's going to be cleared up,
34:25
Speaker 2: let's hope it happens quickly. Now. From flight pressure to petrol. Now,
34:28
Speaker 2: I've seen petrol stations across Melbourne with cars queuing up
34:32
Speaker 2: to get in. I mean even I went and filled
34:34
Speaker 2: a car up yesterday. It didn't really need it, it was
34:36
Speaker 2: three quarter full. But with suggestions that petrol is already
34:40
Speaker 2: above two dollars a liter for the lowest grade of petrol,
34:44
Speaker 2: and it could go to three dollars. I mean, look
34:47
Speaker 2: at this graph in the Australian today of all the
34:49
Speaker 2: oil from the Arab nations. The white is everything that
34:52
Speaker 2: travels through the Humus Strait. The much smaller part in
34:56
Speaker 2: yellow is via another route. It goes to show you
35:00
Speaker 2: why our thirty six days of petrol supplies and diesel
35:03
Speaker 2: is such a worry. And Chris Bowen doesn't even seem
35:06
Speaker 2: to really understand why we should be worried about it.
35:09
Speaker 2: Johnn Us discuss this MST marquee in a journalist Saul Kavonic,
35:13
Speaker 2: Good to see you again, Soul. I mean it's not
35:15
Speaker 2: just that m was straight, but Iran has also been
35:18
Speaker 2: attacking LNG infrastructure in the Gulf States. I mean, how
35:22
Speaker 2: bad could this get and how potentially quickly could we
35:25
Speaker 2: be in real trouble in this country without panicking people
35:29
Speaker 2: with petrol supplies running low.
35:35
Speaker 1: So what we're seeing Iran doing here is where we
35:39
Speaker 1: basically got Iran in a existential threat situation. Lashing out
35:45
Speaker 1: at everything threatening passage that the straight offmors and directly
35:48
Speaker 1: targeting key oil and LNG infrastructure in the Golf is
35:53
Speaker 1: basically entering the apocalypse scenario for energy security, which has
35:58
Speaker 1: been war gained by nations going back fifty years. You know,
36:02
Speaker 1: a lot of this started in the nineteen seventies. We
36:05
Speaker 1: had the Arab oil embargo and the Iranian revolution that
36:07
Speaker 1: sent oil prices skyrocketing. The impact from closing the straight
36:11
Speaker 1: of MS today is actually three times the size of
36:14
Speaker 1: those shocks that we had in the nineteen seventies, and
36:19
Speaker 1: not only has the passage to the strain of mus
36:21
Speaker 1: completely dried up. But because of that they're now having
36:25
Speaker 1: to shut down production because tanks are filling up there's
36:29
Speaker 1: no way to get it out. And then because of
36:30
Speaker 1: the threat of direct attacks you've seen Guitar, which accounts
36:33
Speaker 1: to twenty percent of the world's LNG, has shut its
36:36
Speaker 1: production in as well. So right now, the market has
36:40
Speaker 1: obviously seen big increases in prices, about fifteen percent increases
36:44
Speaker 1: in oil, about one hundred and fifty to two hundred
36:46
Speaker 1: percent increase in LNG, but that's still a relatively modest
36:51
Speaker 1: increase in prices because it's the market still assuming that
36:54
Speaker 1: this we've got to see a de escalation or return
36:57
Speaker 1: of flows over the next few weeks. My concern is
37:01
Speaker 1: that the market is severely underestimating the risk here, because
37:05
Speaker 1: if the status quo is maintained, we're looking at the
37:07
Speaker 1: biggest energy price shock in generations and that will be
37:11
Speaker 1: felt here at home in Australia. Now, Australia stands to
37:16
Speaker 1: benefit as a big exupporter of LNG, so our foreign
37:20
Speaker 1: revenue and our tax revenue will get a boost, but
37:23
Speaker 1: we will have it because we've completely connected into international markets,
37:26
Speaker 1: particularly on crude oil. So when we go to the pump, etc.
37:31
Speaker 1: That's going to put up pressure on our cost of
37:33
Speaker 1: living on all goods, well beyond the cost of filling
37:37
Speaker 1: our petrol at the pump.
37:41
Speaker 2: I noticed just finding here in Tokyo. I mean, how
37:43
Speaker 2: are the Japanese handling this situation? I mean they are
37:46
Speaker 2: massive importers of fuel. I presume they do, though refine
37:51
Speaker 2: some of their own. Unlike US.
37:55
Speaker 1: Well, Japan's a complete importer of all of its energy
37:58
Speaker 1: and therefore energy securities and national security issue for Japan. Thankfully,
38:03
Speaker 1: Japan has managed to procure itself a very from a
38:09
Speaker 1: very wide divorce range of sources, a lot of it
38:12
Speaker 1: from Australia for its energy needs, so it's not as
38:15
Speaker 1: badly placed, for example, as Europe is right now. Right now,
38:19
Speaker 1: Germany is almost record low stock levels on gas. It's
38:22
Speaker 1: almost unfathomable how Europe once again has managed to be
38:25
Speaker 1: a dangerously low stock levels right as a geopolitical event
38:30
Speaker 1: is disrupting gas supply. I'd call it a wake up call. Well,
38:33
Speaker 1: the truth is Europe bar has slept through every wake
38:36
Speaker 1: up call, is now just bringing the consequences of choosing
38:39
Speaker 1: to remain asleep now Australia is going to be seen
38:44
Speaker 1: as an increasingly important trade partner, particularly for Japan and
38:49
Speaker 1: also other major trade partners in Asia for supply security.
38:52
Speaker 1: Now this is really good for Australia. It's in the
38:56
Speaker 1: sense that Austraanda's going to see it's more important and
38:59
Speaker 1: more favorable Destinay for investment. And my concern on the
39:03
Speaker 1: political level in Australia is is the government about to
39:06
Speaker 1: do something, for example on gas policy or taxation, which
39:10
Speaker 1: snatches defeat from the jaws of victory once again and
39:14
Speaker 1: deters another wave of investment of Asia into Australia's resources
39:18
Speaker 1: because that's what they did last time this happened in
39:21
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two.
39:23
Speaker 2: Well, let's hope that's not the case. Good on you,
39:25
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us from Japan. I appreciate it. So
39:27
Speaker 2: after the break, the astounding admission from Chrismin's New South
39:30
Speaker 2: Wales premier today on renewables plus you won't believe how
39:34
Speaker 2: testy Jacindra Allen got today as pressure mounts over union corruption.
39:42
Speaker 2: Welcome back Wordsmith kil Richard's coming up shortly now. Premier
39:45
Speaker 2: Chrismin's in New South Wales made a big confession surrounding
39:48
Speaker 2: abandoned renewable projects today have a listen, So.
39:52
Speaker 13: What the landholder might have given over their land to
39:54
Speaker 13: this company to put in a solar farm. But if
39:56
Speaker 13: they do the wrong thing and bail and leave behind
39:58
Speaker 13: all the mess, the landholder that picks up the bill. Yes,
40:02
Speaker 13: and that's why when anyone's negotiating with anyone to use
40:06
Speaker 13: their land, they need to make sure there's contingencies in
40:09
Speaker 13: place to remediate the property if there's damage, if the
40:13
Speaker 13: company goes into liquidation, if there's some kind of forfeiture
40:17
Speaker 13: on the land.
40:19
Speaker 2: Well, I wonder if every farmer who's agreed to have
40:21
Speaker 2: one of these projects on their properties read the fine print.
40:23
Speaker 2: I mean, the New South Wales Premier, I mean seriously.
40:26
Speaker 2: Scott and his host Jamie Rodgers joins us now and
40:28
Speaker 2: senior fellow at the Menzies Research Center, Nick Cator, Welcome
40:31
Speaker 2: to you both.
40:32
Speaker 9: Nick.
40:32
Speaker 2: I had heard this before that written into these contracts
40:36
Speaker 2: is the fact that if the company goes broken walks away,
40:39
Speaker 2: you have to pay the money to deconstruct these windmills
40:44
Speaker 2: and pay to have them removed off your property. I mean,
40:47
Speaker 2: it'd be a huge cost to you. Wouldn't it.
40:51
Speaker 6: It would be that you're exactly right, Steve. A lot
40:53
Speaker 6: of farmers and landowners across the East Coast have been
40:56
Speaker 6: recognizing this slowly. Some of them already sign up to
41:00
Speaker 6: these deals because the deals look lucrative on paper. You know,
41:03
Speaker 6: you can rent out your land to these companies to
41:07
Speaker 6: put up their wind turbines or solar panels. It looks
41:10
Speaker 6: good on paper. But what they don't tell you is
41:12
Speaker 6: at the end of this, and of course, a wind
41:14
Speaker 6: turbine only last fifteen to twenty years, max solar panels
41:18
Speaker 6: about the same, maybe even less.
41:20
Speaker 1: At the end of it, you're left with it.
41:21
Speaker 6: And when you think that a two hundred meter wind
41:24
Speaker 6: turbine is sitting in two thousand tons of concrete, that's
41:28
Speaker 6: a big, big cleanup job. But the good news in this, though,
41:32
Speaker 6: is that Vast Renewables the company that have abandoned this site.
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Speaker 6: It's another indication that the business case for these renewables
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Speaker 6: is falling over quickly. Axi, owner of just acted half
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Speaker 6: their renewable staff. Twiggy Forrest had a two hundred million
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Speaker 6: dollar US loss. The thing is just not working financially,
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Speaker 6: and I think that will eventually mean it'll all fall over.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of farmers will see this and
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Speaker 2: read that contract tonight, pull it out and have a
41:59
Speaker 2: look at a fine print and go Okay, I'm changing
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Speaker 2: my mind. I'm not going to do it, Jamie I
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Speaker 2: said at the top of the program, just cinder Allen
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Speaker 2: the Victorian premier. Look, she's under real pressure. She's facing
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Speaker 2: a backlash of voters. There was a survey out in
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Speaker 2: the Herald sunder day showing huge support for a probe
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Speaker 2: into the CFM EU. I read the figures out at
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Speaker 2: the start of the program. She is going to an
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Speaker 2: election in November, so she's decided to turn work from
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Speaker 2: home into such a something that everyone wants to do.
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Speaker 2: She's looking at what happened during the Dutton election campaign
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Speaker 2: when they stupidly said that they were going to ban it.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at the premier today and how under
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Speaker 2: pressure she is.
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Speaker 3: Accountability is driven through taking action now and getting results now,
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Speaker 3: which is what we are seeing with people being held
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Speaker 3: to account by being arrested by Victoria police. This is
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Speaker 3: not about delaying which is what these calls are all about,
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Speaker 3: delaying accountability. It's about holding people to account now.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Jamie, she was the minister and she's the Premier,
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Speaker 2: and she's the one who can give Eye back the
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Speaker 2: powers to chase the money, and she's decided not to
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Speaker 2: do it because she's very to what it'll find out
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Speaker 2: about how she rent things.
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Speaker 15: Well, exactly spot on there, Steve. And the stats that
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Speaker 15: you were mentioning at the top of the program, when
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Speaker 15: seventy four percent of Victorian voters want a royal commission
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Speaker 15: into what's happened with the CFMU, And what was also
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Speaker 15: interesting within that polling data was the sheer volume there
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Speaker 15: was fifty three percent that said that this would also
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Speaker 15: result in how they would vote. So it looks as
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Speaker 15: though fifty three percent would be put in their vote
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Speaker 15: towards the Liberals because the Liberals have said that they
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Speaker 15: will enact a royal commission if they are elected at
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Speaker 15: the end of this year. Now justinter Allen can stand
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Speaker 15: up there and say that they're enacting immediate change, and
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Speaker 15: that's what this is all about, is things that are done. Now, Well,
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Speaker 15: that's great, Steve, keep doing that, but do a royal
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Speaker 15: commission so that you can see what happened to ensure
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Speaker 15: that things don't happen again, when fifteen billion dollars worth
43:57
Speaker 15: of taxpayers money is what's being about. An investigation needs
44:02
Speaker 15: to be undertaken and Jacinta Alla needs to take these
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Speaker 15: allegations very seriously or she might have a different story
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Speaker 15: come election day.
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Speaker 2: Nick, how have we got to the point where you're
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Speaker 2: going to have a government passing legislation through the parliament
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Speaker 2: that says to every employee in the state you have to,
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Speaker 2: if it's possible, allow your employee to work two days
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Speaker 2: a week from home, and if you don't, you're breaking
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Speaker 2: the law.
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Speaker 6: This is just going to send business fleeing from Victoria
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Speaker 6: an even faster rate than it learn now. It's a
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Speaker 6: vast it's a huge liability on an employer. Of course,
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Speaker 6: as sure as there are some jobs where working from
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Speaker 6: home works, it might even be better. But not for
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Speaker 6: a supermarket checkout person, you know. I mean it is
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Speaker 6: a real sort of suicide note for business in Victoria
44:57
Speaker 6: and what it'll do to productivity.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 6: Spect it's an election ploy because just sinder Allen thinks
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Speaker 6: this will play well with ordinary voters and it's being
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Speaker 6: time to come in as the lead up to an election.
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Speaker 6: Maybe I'm too cynical on that, Steve, but it seems
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Speaker 6: to me that that's what she's doing.
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Speaker 2: You must have been reading my column as I wrote
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Speaker 2: it today, Nick, I've got to tell you that's exactly
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Speaker 2: what I'm suggesting Jamie the act You meanwhile, they want
45:25
Speaker 2: to legislate for everyone to get five weeks holiday, not four.
45:29
Speaker 2: When are these people going to realize that business in
45:31
Speaker 2: this country struggling? Is we have got we've got a
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Speaker 2: productivity problem. We haven't got a problem filling up caravan
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Speaker 2: parks for another week at the end of the year.
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Speaker 15: Yes, spot on, Steve. We are at an eighteen year
45:41
Speaker 15: low for productivity in this country. And when you look
45:44
Speaker 15: at the statistics last year where more than fourteen thousand
45:47
Speaker 15: businesses went insolvent, it was around thirty eight a day
45:51
Speaker 15: went under. We should be doing everything we can to
45:54
Speaker 15: ensure that businesses can keep their doors open. When you
45:57
Speaker 15: factor in ir laws, the high wages costs, rant, why
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Speaker 15: would anyone want to do business in our country? You
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Speaker 15: see some of these ideas as you're just talking about
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Speaker 15: with Justinta Allen working from home, it's extra week of
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Speaker 15: annual leave. Does anyone want to work in this country?
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Speaker 15: That's ultimately what it's coming down to. And I just
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Speaker 15: feel sorry for businesses. It's really hard, especially a small business,
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Speaker 15: having to try and factor in staffing, availabilities and who's around.
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Speaker 15: It's just unacceptable.
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Speaker 2: Steve, Yeah, small business dragged into it. Now. It was
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Speaker 2: a pleasure to see you both, Jamie and Nick. Thank
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Speaker 2: you very much. I appreciate your joining us tonight after
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Speaker 2: the break. Peter's favorite words of the week with kel
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Speaker 2: Richards welcome back, Andrew Ball coming up.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: Favorite segment of the week, of course, involves keurl Richards,
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Speaker 2: the wordsmith. He joins us, now, good to see you,
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Speaker 2: my old friend. We've got Jeff writing to us saying,
46:49
Speaker 2: and this is intriguing for me. I have never thought
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Speaker 2: about this word, he said of his wife, Maria. My
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Speaker 2: wife asked me to ask you, what is the origin
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Speaker 2: of behind the eight ball.
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Speaker 9: Comes to the pool table from the game of pool.
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Speaker 9: If the striker ball, the white ball is really tightly
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Speaker 9: behind the black ball, the eight ball, it means that
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Speaker 9: the white ball is unable to sink a red ball,
47:13
Speaker 9: so you're snookered, and that means you're stuck. And that
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Speaker 9: has been behind the eight ball. Surely as a young journalist,
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Speaker 9: do you like me? Wasted too many hours at the
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Speaker 9: pool table, Steve.
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Speaker 2: And often ended up behind the eight ball. Why didn't
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Speaker 2: I realize what that actually meant? I hadn't even thought
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Speaker 2: about It makes so much common sense. Rosalind says, what
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Speaker 2: is the origin of the term southpool, which, of course
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Speaker 2: that means someone who is left handed?
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Speaker 9: Now this comes from American baseball. What I read was complicated.
47:43
Speaker 9: This is my simple version. I think I've got it right.
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Speaker 9: The home base, traditionally in American baseball grounds was to
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Speaker 9: the east. And because it was to the east, so
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Speaker 9: that the pitcher would not be facing the glare of
47:55
Speaker 9: the setting sun. Now that meant a batsman on that
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Speaker 9: home plate pay attention, take notes. I'll ask questions later.
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Speaker 9: He's standing on that home his left hand is to
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Speaker 9: the south, so he is a south poor. Now I
48:13
Speaker 9: think I've understood that the baseball story. Any baseball fans
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Speaker 9: who are watching, if I've got it wrong, send me
48:18
Speaker 9: an email. Sent me straight.
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Speaker 2: No again, I get the bit about the sun and
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Speaker 2: pitching into the light. I get that Mark's asked is
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Speaker 2: for an explanation of quote right in his wheelhouse.
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Speaker 9: Oh it means right in someone's area of interest. If
48:34
Speaker 9: you're doing a sales pitch and you've pitched it right
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Speaker 9: in his wheelhouse, you've appealed to the things he's very
48:40
Speaker 9: interested in. So that's what wheelhouse means. The wheelhouse, of course,
48:44
Speaker 9: is what controls the ship. So the idea behind the
48:46
Speaker 9: image is you are controlled by what you're really interested in.
48:50
Speaker 9: So what you're really interested in, that's your wheelhouse. That's
48:53
Speaker 9: what we need to pitch.
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Speaker 2: To give us one more Why do we always use
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Speaker 2: negative adjectives in the positive way? Example, my holiday was
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Speaker 2: awfully good. It's something that English does.
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Speaker 9: It takes adjectives and extracts all the meaning and makes
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Speaker 9: them meaningless. Intensifiers, that's what they're called. They just add
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Speaker 9: extra stress and it does it to very negative words.
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Speaker 9: Even a word as negative is dead, so you can
49:17
Speaker 9: talk about dead center or dead right or dead easy.
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Speaker 9: So and as far as I can discover from my research,
49:23
Speaker 9: it's been happening for three hundred years, so it's very
49:27
Speaker 9: common in English, is all I can tell you.
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Speaker 2: I love your research. Kell you are an absolute genius.
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Speaker 2: Just remind you everybody that a three eighty alive in
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Speaker 2: Sydney about ten to fifteen to night. Will have full
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Speaker 2: reports of that. Andrew bolts up next