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Ep. 853: Turkeys Break the Internet, Tungsten Ammo Gets Expensive, and Black Bear Politics Flare · The MeatEater Podcast

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, and welcome to the news Show. This week,
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Speaker 1: we're covering skyrocketing costs on souped up tungsten turkey, Ammo.
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Speaker 1: We're covering turkey hunters in Wisconsin crashed the Internet, or
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Speaker 1: at least a tiny part of it. We're covering a
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Speaker 1: famous golfer chooses fake elk meat for the Masters and
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Speaker 1: Spencer thinks that's cool. We're covering black bear news from Oklahoma, Arizona,
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Speaker 1: and Washington. We're gonna talk about is bottom trawling destroying
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Speaker 1: Alaska's fisheries. We're gonna maybe get to how Montana politics
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Speaker 1: is getting juicy. As a smoke jumper and a gun
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Speaker 1: and Mark.
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Speaker 2: Jam Pack there can't be more.
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Speaker 1: So if you midnight get him in by midnight April thirteenth.
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Speaker 4: Ten entries for an additional twenty five's.
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Speaker 1: Is that good?
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Speaker 4: That's pretty good?
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Speaker 1: Feel good to me?
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Speaker 4: I wonder how the odds compare to that? Oh, did
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Speaker 4: you check your Alaska Goat tag? Did you win?
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Speaker 1: Nope? No, I don't know about that. I didn't draw
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Speaker 1: in a normal draw, but I don't know about the
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Speaker 1: raffle draw yet. I didn't draw the normal draw. Are
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Speaker 1: we giving away boots right now?
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Speaker 4: Yes, we still are.
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Speaker 1: We're giving a terrible oversight on my part. Joined today
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Speaker 1: by Tony Peterson, Big Buck Killer, Randall Williams, Big Ape Guy,
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Speaker 1: bar new comes here, you bet, Spencer Newheart, and of
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Speaker 1: course Brody Henderson.
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Speaker 5: Uh.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna start off with your news and jumping on corrections,
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Speaker 1: Phil corrections, corrections. Okay, first one comes, and here's the thing.
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Speaker 1: The first one comes from half a finger and halfle
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Speaker 1: finger doesn't know this yet, Jim Hefflefinger doesn't know this yet,
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Speaker 1: but we have disqualified him from winning the boots.
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Speaker 6: Is this the same guy as last week?
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Speaker 1: No, it's just he's a friend of the show. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Yonnie once brought up He's like said the half a
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Speaker 1: Finger says, has Steve ever uh talked about hiring you?
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Speaker 1: And he said, why buy the cow m you get
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Speaker 1: the millet for free. Hafflefinger wrote in with a craction,
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Speaker 1: but we're eliminating him from the running because he's a
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Speaker 1: known person who's been on the show, so wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: fair if he won the Tacova's boots. But here's Heffelfinger's craction.
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Speaker 1: We were on a previous episode, Neanderthal Love. We were
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Speaker 1: talking about whether or not if you want to sound
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Speaker 1: Johnny big Time, you go neander tal. If you want
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Speaker 1: to sound like some dollard, you say Neanderthal. I was
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Speaker 1: saying that something to that effect. Hefflefinger wrote in the
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Speaker 1: thu th and Neanderthal was part of the original spelling
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Speaker 1: and used in the scientific name in the eighteen hundreds
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Speaker 1: Homo neander thalensis science value stability over Willie Nilly updates. Later,
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Speaker 1: the German language was modernized and reformed and they dropped
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Speaker 1: the eight but it was already in such popular usage
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Speaker 1: in English that it remains more correct to use the
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Speaker 1: in English, and in scientific writings, it is more correct
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Speaker 1: to drop the h in German language, and when talking
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Speaker 1: about the location of the first Neanderthal fossils found in
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Speaker 1: a valley named after something or another Neander Tall, so
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Speaker 1: that means the tall means valley in German, so the
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Speaker 1: neander valley.
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Speaker 7: I'm confused by this a little bit, so Mike, because
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Speaker 7: I don't know whether he's saying he's talking about spelling
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Speaker 7: or pronunciation.
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Speaker 2: Here.
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Speaker 1: He's saying that that the crowds. I get that part
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Speaker 1: changed it for themselves, but it was already in such
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Speaker 1: usage here that Americans didn't need to change it.
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Speaker 8: I think it was always an American mispronunciation because in
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Speaker 8: German ta h a l is tall.
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Speaker 1: So you're throwing the correction back at.
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Speaker 8: I'm just throwing another wrinkle into the story here.
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Speaker 1: I've thought about it long and hard. I'm going back
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Speaker 1: to Neanderthal, which is where I came from.
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Speaker 2: Tall sounds pretentious.
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Speaker 1: That's why I did it. I did it.
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Speaker 8: You wouldn't say you're an enthusiast of Neanderthals, you know, I.
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Speaker 1: Like that, Yeah, neander tall enthusiast. I'd be like, he
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Speaker 1: has a speech, yeah, like the eup. Okay, here's another one.
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Speaker 1: I think this one's Is this eligible or ineligible? No,
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Speaker 1: this is eligible.
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Speaker 4: Of them are eligible.
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Speaker 1: Okay. So now we're in the contest. Bear. If you're
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Speaker 1: not familiar, you get We're gonna read corrections. You vote
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Speaker 1: on what's the best correction, okay, and the winner of
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Speaker 1: the best correction gets a pair of He picks out
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Speaker 1: whatever he wants. She we haven't had a woman whin. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: hould the boots up. This is just an example of
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Speaker 1: what you could select. Brand Spicketty new to COVID's boot spencer.
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Speaker 1: Put your nose to that boot and take deep with no, no,
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Speaker 1: not that far. Tell me what you smell, and you
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Speaker 1: smell at quality leather. Yeah, smells like leather through and through.
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Speaker 1: Here's the correction for Giannis. During episode eight forty seven,
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Speaker 1: neander fal Love Well that okay. The episode was titled
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Speaker 1: Neanderthal Love Mildier Eradication to manke Eyelashes. Anyways, Yanni was
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Speaker 1: doing a report about the Catalina Island mule deer debate
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Speaker 1: and how they may be moving forward with a plan
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Speaker 1: to eradicate or attempt to eradicate mule deer off of
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Speaker 1: Catalina Island, where they are not native but where they're
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Speaker 1: in looking sight of where they are. Native Brody asked Jannis,
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Speaker 1: this is the correct writing him. Brody asked, janis what
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Speaker 1: the Catalina Island Conservancy plans to do with the deer
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Speaker 1: after they kill them? Yannis replied, there's no plan for it. Well,
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Speaker 1: here's the correction. The Catalina Island Conservancy has on their
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Speaker 1: website that they will quote provide the meat to the
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Speaker 1: California Condor Recovery Program where they will lay the carcasses
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Speaker 1: in remote hills to allow them to decompose naturally and
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Speaker 1: get eaten by condors.
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Speaker 2: That sounds a lot like doing nothing.
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Speaker 1: That's like if you got busted. Let's say you got
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Speaker 1: busted by fishing game for like wanton waste, Like you
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Speaker 1: killed a deer and you left it and they're like, hey,
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Speaker 1: you know you're in trouble. You can't do that.
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Speaker 9: You'd be like, oh no, you don't understand. You don't understand.
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Speaker 9: I'm feeding magpies. This is magpie conservation.
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Speaker 7: When I placed him in a strategic spot where magpies
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Speaker 7: will find them.
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Speaker 1: So that's what they say, And it is like such
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Speaker 1: a little it's like it's like it's cynical. You know like,
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Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, we're not wasting them. California condors will
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Speaker 1: consume them. Sure, they're gonna have a mighty square meal,
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Speaker 1: when for a brief period of time they're not they're
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Speaker 1: not planning on like laying it out over time. For
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Speaker 1: a brief period of time, they will have hundreds of
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Speaker 1: meal deer carcasses to choose from. Okay, a lot of
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Speaker 1: corrections about the open field doctrine. That was a great correction,
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Speaker 1: by the way, A lot of corrections about the open
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Speaker 1: field doctrine. Some of them came in like very adversarial
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Speaker 1: to me about how dumb I am and everything. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we heard from many folks across the country. This was
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Speaker 1: a this was a hot This generated a lot. We
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Speaker 1: had lawyers right in, we had law enforcement guys right in.
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Speaker 1: We had a fellow Montana and over at the Sheriff's
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Speaker 1: department and still Water County rode in. So to all
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Speaker 1: you folks, thanks for writing in about the open field doctrine.
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Speaker 1: We selected one beca It kind of laid things out
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Speaker 1: the most cleanly, the cleanest. So apologies to those of
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Speaker 1: you who wrote in, but you're not in the running
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Speaker 1: for the brand speaking to new Boots. The correction goes
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Speaker 1: like this, good morning, hoy, do you I just listened
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Speaker 1: to episode eight forty eight. Now here's where he lays
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Speaker 1: out his credentials, which is a tip to people doing corrections.
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Speaker 1: Get the credentials. I am a retired FBI agent and
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Speaker 1: currently teach constitutional criminal procedure at the FBI Academy. So
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Speaker 1: there he's like laying.
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Speaker 2: It out, dude, don't mess with me.
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Speaker 1: Who's gonna argue with him? Then he goes on to say,
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Speaker 1: I have to take exception with whoever explained the open
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Speaker 1: fields doctrine to Steve. I like this approach.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's.
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Speaker 4: It's not a compliment, Sandwich, it's like something.
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Speaker 1: Else you were mislaid.
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Speaker 8: It might you might teach interrogation techniques as well.
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Speaker 1: This is a this is a great like Yeah, it's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't Hey, I'm not attacking you, bro, I'm attacking
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Speaker 1: whoever told you the dumb thing.
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Speaker 7: You think it's also out you could That's just what
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Speaker 7: someone told.
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Speaker 1: It was explained to me by an idiot. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: here I am an innocent victim of like this idiot idiocy.
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Speaker 1: So he's taking exception as he should. Who told me
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Speaker 1: about it, which sort of assumes that they told me wrong,
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Speaker 1: maybe that I didn't twist it up my head. But
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Speaker 1: he says, this, Okay, here, here's it. Here it is.
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Speaker 1: I'm laying it out for you. In the nineteen eighty
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Speaker 1: seven Supreme Court decision United States versus Done, the Court
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Speaker 1: defined open fields as different from the curtilage. I've never
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Speaker 1: heard that word as different from the curtilage of one's home. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I got a back up. He didn't do a great
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Speaker 1: job explaining this. What we were talking about.
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Speaker 2: Was this area of land around a house.
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Speaker 1: What we're talking about is we're speaking about this thing
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Speaker 1: where if a game ward, let's say you're on your
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Speaker 1: private property and a game ward has reason to believe
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Speaker 1: there's poaching taking place on that property, Like he's hearing
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Speaker 1: a bunch of gunshots and a duck marsh private property.
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Speaker 1: It's thirty minutes before shooting the light and you just hearing.
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Speaker 1: He can go in there without a search warrant and
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Speaker 1: find out what's going on. It's like the open fields doctrine.
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Speaker 1: I was saying that it was a tool of game wardens.
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Speaker 1: All the correctors are like, this is not this is
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Speaker 1: not particular to game ward It might be utilized by
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Speaker 1: game wardens.
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Speaker 7: But it's not particularly powers that law enforcement other lawn.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was at they had powers that our people
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Speaker 1: didn't have. And it goes back to this whole thing
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Speaker 1: where they were like working moonshiners. They were working moonshiners
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Speaker 1: and see some moonshine from a moonshiner, and that's what
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Speaker 1: led to this thing that the moonshiner was out in
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Speaker 1: the open fields and not in his home when he
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Speaker 1: got searched. Something to that effect. Right into correction about that,
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Speaker 1: this guy says. In the nineteen eighty seven Supreme Court
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Speaker 1: decision United States versus Done, the court defined open fields
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Speaker 1: as different from the curtilage brody.
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Speaker 2: On an area around one's house.
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Speaker 1: Of one's home, which involves the activities associated with the
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Speaker 1: living space. Law enforcement officers, not just game wardens, can
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Speaker 1: enter private property on open fields without a warrant. Traditionally,
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Speaker 1: game wardens have had even greater scope to enter outbuildings
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Speaker 1: and even dwellings in search of evidence of game violations.
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Speaker 1: Many states have curtailed those powers, but generally the open
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Speaker 1: field doctrine is explained done. The open field doctrine as
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Speaker 1: explained and done, applies to all law enforcement officers. In
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Speaker 1: that case, a DEA agent, along with the Houston Harris
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Speaker 1: County deputy enter the defendant's property to look through a
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Speaker 1: woman to look through the windows of a barn about
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Speaker 1: one hundred yards behind the main dwelling. The court ruled
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Speaker 1: this entry onto the property was not a Fourth Amendment
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Speaker 1: violation because open fields are not protected as part of
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Speaker 1: the person's houses, papers, and effects, which are covered by
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Speaker 1: the Fourth Amendment. He goes on, Obviously, with all constitutional law,
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Speaker 1: there are nuances, and all states can grant greater protections
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Speaker 1: than the US Constitution, but not lesser protections. Not trying
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Speaker 1: to be nitpicky, but I've taught this area of the
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Speaker 1: law for the last sixteen years and have twenty nine.
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Speaker 1: See he's going back around to double up on his credentials.
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Speaker 8: You missed the highlight of this email.
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Speaker 1: Please go ahead.
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Speaker 8: He did this with text to type, and you missed
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Speaker 8: the typo that in discussing the open field the law
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Speaker 8: and enforcement of thought.
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Speaker 2: Respect for him, Yeah, that should be what. It's a great.
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Speaker 1: It's a great.
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Speaker 8: I don't know if that's give it out of respect
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Speaker 8: for Todd oh, I loved that.
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Speaker 1: Give it out of respect.
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Speaker 8: I still respect Todd, but I thought that was too good.
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Speaker 2: I know who gets gloss over.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so to review, Well, we've only had two. We
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Speaker 1: need three.
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Speaker 3: Fingers.
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Speaker 4: You guys cut too many. We don't have internet, so
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Speaker 4: I can't stick something else back.
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Speaker 1: We can just do one of the next one. I'm
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Speaker 1: doing the number three.
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Speaker 6: Oh okay, perfect, So this track bear.
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Speaker 4: This person we wrote in didn't even write it really
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Speaker 4: in as a correction, but more like a clarification.
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Speaker 1: So now you're but corrections clarifications are in my book
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Speaker 1: pointing out something that was omitted. It's like aeror biomission counts.
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Speaker 1: Clarifications count.
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Speaker 8: Great for me, this is both the clarification and the correction.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well good for this guy. He might get you.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about glomer bowl in semination, and this goes
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Speaker 1: back to a conversation I have with my dear friend
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Speaker 1: Kevin Murphy, who is describing to me his ranch work
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Speaker 1: as a child, and how they had a bowl whose
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Speaker 1: penis was reoriented to come out the wrong direction. When
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Speaker 1: Kyle's were coming into heat, they would take this bowl
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Speaker 1: and put a big ink blodder on his neck. He
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Speaker 1: would go out and try to mount ripe cows and
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Speaker 1: then ink blottom. Then rancher comes out, notices an ink
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Speaker 1: blot on a cow, runs out artificially inseminates it so
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Speaker 1: as a way of identifying a coyle coming into heat tracking.
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Speaker 1: Uh huh okay. Then we talked about that a bunch
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Speaker 1: and we've had other corrections about it. This guy wants
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Speaker 1: to clarify and that they dub these things goomer bulls.
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Speaker 1: This one guy calls them a glomer bull. Stephen Krue,
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Speaker 1: I teach a cattle artificial insemination course with University of Idaho,
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Speaker 1: again comes in hard lays out his credentials. You had
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Speaker 1: a cowboy write in about golomer bulls, which were a
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Speaker 1: common way to check for standing heat and cattle. However,
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Speaker 1: goomer bulls are not extremely common in today's world. The
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Speaker 1: cowboy talked about a lottery ticket style scratcher, which is
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Speaker 1: common use. However, it does not have to be a
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Speaker 1: bull riding. Those females they write each other. If you
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Speaker 1: got young children nearby, cover their ears. No, No, I'm joking.
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Speaker 1: In a penter pasture, they ride each other. Other females
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Speaker 1: will scratch so okay, they put a patch on the
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Speaker 1: cows other females are trying to ride each other. The
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Speaker 1: females will scratch off the patch and show the artificial
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Speaker 1: insemination technician that the cow is in heat and ready
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Speaker 1: to be inseminated. See, this is a little surprise I've seen.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know, Like I've seen plenty of that go
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Speaker 1: on in my day, but I didn't know that they
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Speaker 1: were queuing in on the cow being in heat. I
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Speaker 1: just thought it was just general whatever. Another common practice
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Speaker 1: is to use hormones that stop or start an ovulation
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Speaker 1: cycle to time them so a majority of animals understanding
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Speaker 1: heat at the same time. I'm familiar with that. I
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Speaker 1: think they call them heat sinking. You're familiar with heat
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Speaker 1: sink seeking missiles. This is heat sinking. Artificial semnation is
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Speaker 1: a great tool for genetic improvement cattle and other species,
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Speaker 1: as well as removing some dangers and additional expenses expense
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Speaker 1: of having bulls on a farmer ranch. Tough competition. Let
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Speaker 1: me review in my head, so to to remind everybody
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Speaker 1: voting open fields, doctrine Catalina and Gomer bulls Catalina. How
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Speaker 1: many votes? How many voters you got today? One eight
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Speaker 1: eight votes, Catalina right, open fields.
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Speaker 6: That's like.
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Speaker 8: Respect for laforcement.
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Speaker 10: Sorry, yeah, well you know why because that's dude, a
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Speaker 10: lot of people and and god bless them people writing
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Speaker 10: in with the math questions.
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Speaker 1: That's all great, keep them, but that's got real teeth
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Speaker 1: right there.
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Speaker 8: And I not to take anything away from Gobert Bowl insemination.
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Speaker 8: It's fascinating.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very interesting. But yeah, thanks Todd. We'll get
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Speaker 4: in touch and you can choose your own pair to
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Speaker 4: COVID boots.
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Speaker 8: Law man with some new boots.
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Speaker 1: Yep, I like that. Wow, hopefully he's gonna he's gonna
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Speaker 1: shotgun those new boots and get his holsters out and
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Speaker 1: go down to Main Street.
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Speaker 3: Can I add one more thing? To have a fingers
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Speaker 3: email please? Twenty sixteen Discovery article covered it if it
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Speaker 3: should be Neanderthal or neanderthal. They determined both are fine,
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Speaker 3: but they likened it to if you say Neanderthal, that's
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Speaker 3: like calling Paris Peri instead.
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Speaker 4: So that's that's what you sound walking around with that email.
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Speaker 3: A terrible or just commit and start calling it Parie.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, whatever, you got to get that throat now
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Speaker 1: I'm going back to Neanderthal. Bad dude. We had a
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Speaker 1: previous episode where we were goofing on a guy. So
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Speaker 1: a guy wrote in talking about his daughter's boyfriend, and
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Speaker 1: he's saying that normally he's kind of a numbschool, but
21:20
Speaker 1: he had a good idea about using e bird, like
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Speaker 1: a birding app where people share their bird sightings using
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Speaker 1: e bird to scout ducks. And he says, like, normally
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Speaker 1: this kid's a numb school, but that's a good idea. Well,
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Speaker 1: the kid heard that, and he wrote in He's like,
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Speaker 1: I think that that's me. I was just telling my
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Speaker 1: girlfriend's dad about.
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Speaker 8: This, and he knows that the girlfriend's dad listens to
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Speaker 8: the show, right.
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Speaker 2: There's gonna be a conversation that happens.
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Speaker 1: Between those now, he points out. He goes he was
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Speaker 1: under the assumption that the discussions he was having with
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Speaker 1: his future bother in law would be kept under wraps,
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Speaker 1: but now that the secret is out and that his
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Speaker 1: father in law, future father in law whatever didn't respect
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Speaker 1: the privacy of the conversation. Anyways, he wants to clarify something.
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Speaker 1: I was pointing out that I don't think that that
22:19
Speaker 1: scouting tool is gonna be as quick as ducks, you know,
22:23
Speaker 1: like like geese hit a field just I mean, you know,
22:26
Speaker 1: if geese are in the field in the evening, you
22:29
Speaker 1: know there's that's where you want to be in the morning.
22:32
Speaker 1: But there's no like guarantee, you know. I mean it's like,
22:34
Speaker 1: so I'm like by the time you like build up
22:36
Speaker 1: a bunch of hosers driving by being like, oh I
22:39
Speaker 1: saw a goose. You know that you're not going to
22:42
Speaker 1: hunt off that old infot in a field, dude, Yeah,
22:47
Speaker 1: well that's that's legit. A gobbler strutting field is like
22:49
Speaker 1: he's somewhere around there, manpecially like old church, old cemetery nearby.
22:55
Speaker 1: He's there. So I was like, it doesn't really work.
22:59
Speaker 1: And he writes in this this has been a damn correction.
23:02
Speaker 1: He goes, he brings up, how I question the up
23:06
Speaker 1: to datingus of the material and he says, I'm not
23:09
Speaker 1: sure if Steve is aware of a Handy e Bird
23:12
Speaker 1: of a Handy e Bird tool called alerts, you can
23:19
Speaker 1: request on e Bird's website to be notified as often
23:23
Speaker 1: as hourly of sightings of birds. These alerts can be personalized,
23:32
Speaker 1: and there are ways to set the alerts up to
23:34
Speaker 1: notify you of species of particular interest. I'm often doing homework.
23:40
Speaker 1: He says, he can't be that bad of a kid
23:44
Speaker 1: and driving around. I don't know what that means.
23:47
Speaker 2: I know what it meant for me back in the day.
23:49
Speaker 1: And he'll get he'll get alerts, He'll get notifications alerting
23:54
Speaker 1: him to where he should go find a species or
23:57
Speaker 1: a bunch of species that I'm looking for. Okay, alerts.
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Speaker 5: You know.
24:05
Speaker 1: I can see setting like setting into like strutting gobblers jump.
24:17
Speaker 1: If there's a drop down menu, it can be like
24:19
Speaker 1: like wandering hens. You be like, no, I don't really
24:21
Speaker 1: care about that. This could be big strutters. You'd be like,
24:24
Speaker 1: that's it's gonna set up.
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Speaker 7: Some odd moments because like when a when a hunter
24:30
Speaker 7: and a burger arrive at the same spot the same time.
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Speaker 11: Later, like, you know, but couldn't you also see hunters
24:38
Speaker 11: being like I'm gonna report strutting gobblers twenty.
24:45
Speaker 12: And they are thick.
24:47
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a good point. I wouldn't have thought
24:49
Speaker 1: you'd out smart at me, because you'd have been like,
24:51
Speaker 1: if you knew I was doing it, you'd have been
24:52
Speaker 1: like just showing you'd have strutters everywhere, but where there
24:55
Speaker 1: was a strutter, right, Yeah, right. Then, then each user
24:58
Speaker 1: would have to have their own sort of review rubric
25:01
Speaker 1: that some people could rate their.
25:05
Speaker 2: Post as like an old lady Burger.
25:07
Speaker 1: Right. See, here's another piece of feedback that like, is
25:11
Speaker 1: this guy's getting kind of screwed up set of boots.
25:14
Speaker 1: But when we were talking about Neanderthals, I was talking
25:18
Speaker 1: about a book I was reading, and in the book
25:20
Speaker 1: I was reading, I was talking about how this anthropologist
25:23
Speaker 1: was looking at the suite of injuries they find on
25:27
Speaker 1: Neanderthal skeletons and how at some point in time, a
25:31
Speaker 1: physician who worked on bull riders often in his community said, man,
25:37
Speaker 1: it seems like the suites of injuries we see on
25:40
Speaker 1: Neanderthal skeletons reminds me of the kind of injuries I
25:43
Speaker 1: see on bull riders. And it led to this idea
25:47
Speaker 1: that they had this like confrontational hunting strategy and they
25:50
Speaker 1: were getting wounded by their prey, like how bull riders
25:54
Speaker 1: get wounded by bulls. He says that that idea was
26:00
Speaker 1: an idea, but as people have done more and more
26:03
Speaker 1: research on it and looked into it, they're finding that
26:05
Speaker 1: it's really it's really not and it has fallen out
26:09
Speaker 1: of favor. The rodeo writer interpretation, he says, is largely
26:12
Speaker 1: fallen out of favor. More research has shown that the
26:16
Speaker 1: trauma patterns used to support the hypothesis or the hypothesis
26:20
Speaker 1: are not unique to dangerous hunting scenarios. It can also
26:24
Speaker 1: be explained by other factors, including interpersonal violence. As a result,
26:30
Speaker 1: many researchers, including one of the original proponents, now consider
26:34
Speaker 1: the confrontational hunting explanation to be undersupported. Our colleague Alex
26:39
Speaker 1: Tilney wrote me, or told me over the phone he
26:42
Speaker 1: was reading that same paper because he got interested in it,
26:46
Speaker 1: and he said, you could also argue that they have
26:48
Speaker 1: a suite of injuries similar to people who have been
26:51
Speaker 1: in golf cart accidents, which leads one to believe they
26:57
Speaker 1: were golfing. Here's this. One's not even kind of a correction.
27:04
Speaker 1: But we'll get in. We gotta get moving on. We're
27:06
Speaker 1: gonna get into this. I didn't know about this. This
27:09
Speaker 1: guy's right, and now he's talking back to our screwerm episode.
27:13
Speaker 1: So during World War one, I'm gonna try to make
27:15
Speaker 1: it as quick as possible. Back during World War One,
27:17
Speaker 1: America was supplying horses to the English Okay, we're breeding
27:28
Speaker 1: horses and sentiment, because that was a war still fought on,
27:31
Speaker 1: you know, to some extent, fought on horseback. The crowds
27:36
Speaker 1: sent over an infectious disease spy to plant diseases in America,
27:46
Speaker 1: to give anthrax and other disease. This guy got caught
27:50
Speaker 1: and ran got away. He died in the Spanish flu epidemic.
27:55
Speaker 1: He came here and was swabbing American horses with anthrags,
27:59
Speaker 1: trying to kill the horses before they could join the
28:02
Speaker 1: World War One war effort.
28:03
Speaker 2: Dang wow, and he died of the flu. It's kind
28:07
Speaker 2: of fitting.
28:07
Speaker 1: He fled they they never caught him. He fled and
28:10
Speaker 1: went up, dined and from the Spanish flu sucker over
28:17
Speaker 1: to Randall. Yeah.
28:21
Speaker 8: Now, Phil's gonna play a little segment here in honor
28:23
Speaker 8: of marsh Madness. This was an interview I wanted to
28:27
Speaker 8: do on Radio Live, but as we all know, it's
28:29
Speaker 8: dead now and it's been dead for several weeks. So
28:34
Speaker 8: we just pre recorded this interview with Will Cheddar of
28:36
Speaker 8: the University of Michigan basketball team.
28:38
Speaker 1: Play the tape.
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Speaker 8: Phil, Welcome to the Meet Eater News Sports Desk. I'm
28:43
Speaker 8: your host, Randall Williams joined today by Will Cheddar, power
28:47
Speaker 8: forward for the University of Michigan men's basketball team and
28:50
Speaker 8: winner of Meat Eater Trivia Episode one thirty. Will congrats
28:54
Speaker 8: on a great season so far thirty one and three,
28:56
Speaker 8: going into the tournament as a number one seed, nineteen
28:59
Speaker 8: to one in the Conference Big Ten champs and with
29:02
Speaker 8: two dominant wins last week. The Wolverines are in the
29:05
Speaker 8: Sweet sixteen, facing off against Alabama this Friday. When was
29:09
Speaker 8: the last time you went fishing? And how was it?
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Speaker 5: I was actually out last night, went out to this
29:16
Speaker 5: little inland lake about twenty minutes from campus and got
29:20
Speaker 5: into the first small mouth of the year. So it
29:23
Speaker 5: was pretty uh, pretty good to be back out on
29:25
Speaker 5: the boat, back out on the lake after such a
29:28
Speaker 5: good weekend.
29:29
Speaker 8: And this is coach aware that you're fishing in between
29:31
Speaker 8: tournament games.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's well aware. Good, he knows, he knows.
29:37
Speaker 5: That's my pressure.
29:38
Speaker 8: Earlea suck perfect.
29:40
Speaker 5: Yeah, So we're all good there.
29:42
Speaker 8: Well, I want to go back to late January. You're
29:44
Speaker 8: eighty three seventy one victory on the road against Michigan State.
29:48
Speaker 8: Huge win against the number eleven team in the country.
29:51
Speaker 8: Your in state rivals and a program with a lot
29:53
Speaker 8: of pedigree. Two days later, you posted a photo of
29:56
Speaker 8: you pulling a bluegill out of the ice. What were
29:58
Speaker 8: they biting on that day? Oh man?
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, okay, so that was funny thing about that.
30:06
Speaker 5: I was supposed to go salmon fishing at this harbor
30:10
Speaker 5: up on Lake Huron and my spot had frozen over.
30:13
Speaker 1: I was so pissed.
30:14
Speaker 5: So we on the way back, we hit Lake Saint Clair,
30:19
Speaker 5: just went into the canals and just hammered blue girls.
30:24
Speaker 5: I think we were just tipping jigs, like little tungsten
30:26
Speaker 5: jigs with with waxies.
30:29
Speaker 8: So it's amazing. Yeah, now you got a talented squad
30:33
Speaker 8: up there, some potential NBA draft picks. If you could
30:36
Speaker 8: only fish for one species for the rest of your life,
30:39
Speaker 8: what would it be?
30:39
Speaker 1: And why?
30:40
Speaker 5: Oh my, I'd probably have to say small mouth bass.
30:48
Speaker 4: Uh.
30:49
Speaker 5: Just you know, with you know how hard they fight,
30:53
Speaker 5: they're they're fun to catch.
30:55
Speaker 4: Uh.
30:55
Speaker 8: Now, you guys have had some big changes during your
30:58
Speaker 8: time in ann Arbor. Coaches. Steam May took over in
31:01
Speaker 8: March at twenty four. You've had a lot of roster turnover.
31:05
Speaker 8: Now in coach may second season, you guys are on
31:07
Speaker 8: your way to the Sweet sixteen for the second year
31:09
Speaker 8: in a row. Do you keep your own boat on campus?
31:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's in my garage at our house.
31:18
Speaker 1: Nice.
31:18
Speaker 8: Nice, last question here? Will you guys have a tough
31:22
Speaker 8: matchup on Friday against the number four seed Crimson Tide.
31:26
Speaker 8: They're a high tempo, offensive minded team with some of
31:28
Speaker 8: the nation's highest three point shooting volume in efficiency. When
31:32
Speaker 8: was the last time you ate a fish that you caught.
31:37
Speaker 5: Two weeks I didn't catch that one, man. I'd probably
31:43
Speaker 5: say October was the last.
31:44
Speaker 8: Time m preseason I had a fish.
31:47
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was preseason. That was Lake Saint Clair walleyes.
31:51
Speaker 5: I think that's probably the last time my buddy caught them,
31:54
Speaker 5: well as when we went on on the Detroit River
31:56
Speaker 5: a few weeks ago. But I can't lie I didn't
31:58
Speaker 5: catch them.
31:59
Speaker 8: So but I so very nice. Well, Will, thanks for
32:03
Speaker 8: taking the time during a busy week. Best of you,
32:05
Speaker 8: Luck to you guys moving forward in the tournament.
32:08
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
32:08
Speaker 5: Mom.
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Speaker 1: That was a great segment.
32:12
Speaker 8: Hey, guys would have killed on live.
32:17
Speaker 2: Shout out to Will though.
32:18
Speaker 8: He's I know he's a fan of the show and
32:22
Speaker 8: he fishes. Probably harder than anybody in college sports.
32:24
Speaker 1: So it's great to hardest fishermen in college sports.
32:27
Speaker 8: I feel very confident in saying that.
32:31
Speaker 1: Okay, so someone said us this, this is kind of
32:34
Speaker 1: a funny thing. I gotta laugh out of this. Tony's
32:36
Speaker 1: gonna explain it. I gotta laugh out of this. Phil
32:39
Speaker 1: you got your little thing that makes the bleeps.
32:42
Speaker 6: I can do it in post.
32:44
Speaker 8: Yeah.
32:44
Speaker 1: Yeah. So well, first off, Tony, can you explain how
32:48
Speaker 1: can you explain what's going on? We'll read the letter,
32:50
Speaker 1: but can you explain? Can you give the background on this? This?
32:52
Speaker 1: This is this is out of Wisconsin.
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Speaker 11: So Wisconsin's turkey take system is they have a draw
32:58
Speaker 11: the deadlines like December tenth every year get into it
33:03
Speaker 11: and as you can imagine, people are trying to draw
33:06
Speaker 11: early season tags. So Wisconsin has six seasons, seven zones
33:11
Speaker 11: throughout the state, and the highest demand seasons are the
33:15
Speaker 11: first couple because everybody wants to hunt first, right, So
33:18
Speaker 11: people apply for those and generally those get soaked up
33:21
Speaker 11: in the lottery. But Wisconsin has a quota system per
33:25
Speaker 11: zone per season that they will sell one per day
33:31
Speaker 11: after a certain point in March. So this year was
33:34
Speaker 11: Mark even if the pool if there are tags left.
33:37
Speaker 1: Okay, So if you apply for a season season A
33:43
Speaker 1: and then it gets all filled up, they don't then
33:45
Speaker 1: sell them online. No, it's only it's only.
33:48
Speaker 12: So these are all leftovers.
33:50
Speaker 11: But people count on it because Wisconsin has, i mean,
33:53
Speaker 11: depending on the zone right southern part of the state,
33:55
Speaker 11: tons of tags. You move farther north, fewer tags right
34:00
Speaker 11: one zone. This year, Zone six didn't have any leftover tags,
34:03
Speaker 11: so you couldn't for any season.
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Speaker 2: Is there a point system, Tony or is it just lottery?
34:08
Speaker 11: Yeah, so there is a point system, but you can
34:11
Speaker 11: kind of count on getting tags in a lot of places.
34:14
Speaker 11: You know it might not be the season you want.
34:17
Speaker 11: So what happens is every year in March, they'll have
34:21
Speaker 11: a date and they go okay, Zone one licenses go
34:25
Speaker 11: on sale at ten am on March sixteenth, March seventeenth
34:30
Speaker 11: at ten am, Zone two, right on down the line
34:33
Speaker 11: to whatever's left. And then once they've gone through this
34:35
Speaker 11: first phase where it's just that day is dedicated to
34:38
Speaker 11: that zone, then they're all first come, first serve and
34:42
Speaker 11: you can buy one a day till they're gone. So,
34:44
Speaker 11: as you can imagine, there's a lot of competition kills
34:48
Speaker 11: takes because people are trying to buy the earliest tags
34:50
Speaker 11: they can generally, or if you know the kids are
34:52
Speaker 11: going to be off of school and you want to
34:53
Speaker 11: hunt with them, you're trying to get that weekend or
34:56
Speaker 11: however that falls for you. So this is a cis
35:00
Speaker 11: them where you can show up fifteen minutes before the
35:03
Speaker 11: ten am launch and get in line and you're waiting
35:07
Speaker 11: there in a virtual queue and then at ten o'clock
35:09
Speaker 11: they assign you a spot and so you might be
35:13
Speaker 11: fifth in line.
35:14
Speaker 1: And it's not how it's not tied to how long
35:16
Speaker 1: you were on the phone.
35:17
Speaker 12: Nope, nope.
35:19
Speaker 1: So you can be there eight hours early.
35:21
Speaker 11: Well you can only get into the virtual q fifteen
35:24
Speaker 11: minutes early, right, So, and I know you're going to
35:28
Speaker 11: go into this, but in the interest of journalistic integrity
35:32
Speaker 11: to do whatever you want, I have to say that
35:33
Speaker 11: I was involved in this, and so was Patrick Durkin,
35:38
Speaker 11: our mutual friend.
35:38
Speaker 1: So's bubbly Doug. Right.
35:41
Speaker 11: So I it worked out in the end, but I
35:44
Speaker 11: went through this what we're going to get into. But
35:47
Speaker 11: that is that's the gist of the system.
35:49
Speaker 1: That's how it works. You know, I want to just
35:51
Speaker 1: a little added color here, because this has helped explain
35:53
Speaker 1: a thing to me. Is like, take take Doug, where
35:56
Speaker 1: Doug lives, right, Doug will usually say, and I'm understanding
36:01
Speaker 1: it better now, he usually say, there will be D season.
36:05
Speaker 1: There's He'd be like, there's always some D seasons meaning
36:09
Speaker 1: whatever by that means A, B C get consumed in
36:13
Speaker 1: the draw, but then there's but then there's some D.
36:17
Speaker 1: So you might be on the lottery, you're not hoping
36:19
Speaker 1: to score a A. You're in the Q waiting to
36:21
Speaker 1: get a D, just.
36:22
Speaker 12: Trying to get something because that's what's there.
36:23
Speaker 11: That's what's there, right, So you got to imagine like
36:27
Speaker 11: a lot of Midwestern states, you're talking to mid April
36:29
Speaker 11: opener that goes through the end of May. And so
36:32
Speaker 11: if you look at where Doug lives, I would assume
36:34
Speaker 11: Doug is in Zone one, which has a ton of tags.
36:38
Speaker 11: So the highest priority one will be the first season
36:40
Speaker 11: that's available after the lottery, which will often you can
36:43
Speaker 11: count on D season, right, and if you wanted to
36:48
Speaker 11: hunt later than that, you can count on the seasons
36:49
Speaker 11: after that, and you could end up having multiple tags
36:52
Speaker 11: if you want. So it's it's actually a really cool
36:56
Speaker 11: system because you can kind of if you if you
37:00
Speaker 11: have the opportunity, you can hunt a couple different weeks
37:03
Speaker 11: or you know, I mean you can you can plan
37:05
Speaker 11: around that.
37:06
Speaker 1: But this style, their style of running a whole ton
37:12
Speaker 1: of turkey seasons that are all one week long or
37:16
Speaker 1: roughly one week long. That's an odds system, it is.
37:22
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, so you like, instead of being like, oh,
37:25
Speaker 1: curkey season, I'm gonna hunt for six weeks, it's like, no,
37:27
Speaker 1: you're gonna hunt a week.
37:28
Speaker 8: It's like Colorado Big Game season.
37:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, Colorado's Big game season. Like you're like the first season,
37:33
Speaker 1: second season, third season, fourth season, right.
37:34
Speaker 11: And it's so I'm I'm less sensitive to it because
37:38
Speaker 11: Minnesota has gone through we've way liberalized at home. But
37:43
Speaker 11: when I started turkey hunting, you had a draw season
37:46
Speaker 11: and you had five days and it was half days,
37:49
Speaker 11: so you can.
37:49
Speaker 12: Hunt till noon.
37:50
Speaker 11: And then they started expanding it and eventually we could
37:53
Speaker 11: hunt till three thirty, and then we could hunt till sunset,
37:55
Speaker 11: and eventually they sold a season long archery license so
37:59
Speaker 11: you could get the six weeks. So this is, you know,
38:03
Speaker 11: I don't know where this originated from but I would
38:05
Speaker 11: assume that this system is old and it comes from
38:10
Speaker 11: when they didn't have very many turkeys, because that's where ours,
38:13
Speaker 11: you know, came from.
38:15
Speaker 7: So it might be an aspect of spread and pressure
38:18
Speaker 7: out to there.
38:19
Speaker 12: It definitely is, sure, man, it definitely is.
38:21
Speaker 1: Because not everybody is all going to hunt the opener, right,
38:25
Speaker 1: or the bulk people going hunt the.
38:26
Speaker 11: Open and if you're a non resident, you're just about
38:28
Speaker 11: never going to hunt those early seasons.
38:30
Speaker 1: So was this deal here that happened? Was it really
38:33
Speaker 1: that different than normal?
38:35
Speaker 12: Well? Do you want to get into that?
38:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you want to get it? Should I should?
38:39
Speaker 1: I read the thing?
38:39
Speaker 12: Yeah you should?
38:40
Speaker 1: So someone rent like a frustrated user, Your system sucks.
38:47
Speaker 1: Waited in line was three thousand and eight hundred in line,
38:52
Speaker 1: I live in zone two and you gave me a
38:54
Speaker 1: permit for zone seven. Then I waited for the bonus,
38:59
Speaker 1: waited all the way to my number, and your thing
39:01
Speaker 1: bailed out on me. You inbred peace is a I'm
39:07
Speaker 1: not even gonna say it, mother.
39:13
Speaker 4: There are no periods or commas in that comment.
39:17
Speaker 1: Not Donald well, Donald not happy right, not Donald Trump?
39:23
Speaker 1: No same number.
39:27
Speaker 8: The d NR's response. I noticed the DNR replied.
39:31
Speaker 1: They replied to it, I can't.
39:33
Speaker 8: That's right. Sorry, I didn't mean to.
39:35
Speaker 3: I'm scrolling through the comments now I can't find Don's post, So.
39:40
Speaker 1: Don don s miffed, fired up? Ain't winning Don back.
39:45
Speaker 12: I can tell you that I was too, you were.
39:48
Speaker 11: So I got into that virtual queue, and I have
39:51
Speaker 11: added pressure because I need to get myself a tag,
39:53
Speaker 11: and then I need to try to get in and
39:54
Speaker 11: get my daughter's tags. So I have to log in,
39:57
Speaker 11: get in line, log in until I'm stressing.
40:00
Speaker 12: I get into line. Are they assigned me my spot?
40:03
Speaker 11: I have four people ahead of me, which made me
40:06
Speaker 11: feel like when you get in really early boat drawing
40:08
Speaker 11: a tournament and you're like, nobody's gonna be on my
40:11
Speaker 11: starting spot.
40:12
Speaker 12: This is a smooth sailing.
40:14
Speaker 11: So I get in, go to buy my teg simple
40:17
Speaker 11: and then it won't process my payment, and you know,
40:19
Speaker 11: you're on the ticking clock because they're funneling through a
40:22
Speaker 11: bunch of people. And this is before they had issued
40:25
Speaker 11: a hey, we were having technical difficulties stick around, you know,
40:29
Speaker 11: the spinning wheel death or whatever, and so I'm like, okay,
40:33
Speaker 11: they're going to boot me out. I tried to buy
40:35
Speaker 11: it five thousand times, but I'm like, I don't want
40:37
Speaker 11: to refresh or go back because I'll lose my spot. Yeah,
40:42
Speaker 11: and I had, you know, four people ahead of me,
40:45
Speaker 11: you know, and you know thousands of people.
40:46
Speaker 12: Are in line. You feel the weight of all those people.
40:49
Speaker 12: I felt a lot of weight there.
40:51
Speaker 11: And so then the system kicks me out, and so
40:54
Speaker 11: I have a little Dad Anger temper tantrum that you
40:57
Speaker 11: get sometimes when you got to build an exercise bike
40:59
Speaker 11: or something, fix the garage door. So then I have
41:04
Speaker 11: to get back in, you know. They they they issue
41:08
Speaker 11: the statement that it's not working. They're running through a
41:10
Speaker 11: technical payment processing glitch. I'm waiting to get back in.
41:17
Speaker 11: I'm waiting for them to start letting us queue up.
41:20
Speaker 11: And I checked my email just randomly, and it had
41:26
Speaker 11: a receipt from the Wisconsin DNR. And so I'm like, okay,
41:32
Speaker 11: did I get my license? And then I looked at
41:34
Speaker 11: my U like see if there's anything pending on my
41:36
Speaker 11: credit card, and there was. So I'm like, my payment
41:39
Speaker 11: somehow must have gotten through even though I didn't know
41:42
Speaker 11: it and it didn't show me. I didn't have the
41:44
Speaker 11: receipt on the actual go Wild site but I got
41:47
Speaker 11: to wait in line anyway because I got to get
41:50
Speaker 11: my daughters in there. They finally open it up. I
41:53
Speaker 11: get back in there are I can't remember what place.
41:54
Speaker 1: I see that you put yourself in front of your daughters.
41:58
Speaker 11: Well here's why. I hunt with a buddy of mine
42:05
Speaker 11: down there, and I knew that I would be able
42:09
Speaker 11: to probably get one of my daughter's tags, if not
42:13
Speaker 11: both of them. But I'm like, I got to take
42:15
Speaker 11: one of them for sure. So we're gonna hunt together
42:18
Speaker 11: kind of thing. And we're gonna hunt with him, So
42:19
Speaker 11: I'm like, I knew we would get the tags probably.
42:23
Speaker 1: Did it make any sense to you?
42:25
Speaker 11: I wasn't anticipating this, Like I'm like, I'm going to
42:27
Speaker 11: get in, but.
42:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, generally like yeah, right right.
42:34
Speaker 12: So I get kicked back in.
42:37
Speaker 11: I got like eleven thousand people in front of me,
42:40
Speaker 11: and I'm like, this has been like an hour and
42:42
Speaker 11: a half. Deal, it goes by fairly quick. Finally get
42:46
Speaker 11: in there, buy one of my daughter's tag and I'm like,
42:50
Speaker 11: I wonder if this will let me just use this window?
42:52
Speaker 11: And I got back in got the other one tags.
42:55
Speaker 11: So I'm a fairly good father. I guess not as
42:59
Speaker 11: good as I thought I would. When I started this story. Anyway,
43:04
Speaker 11: people start losing their shit, like you start seeing this
43:08
Speaker 11: out there, right, And so Karin asked me to look
43:11
Speaker 11: into this for this because we knew this Donald Feller
43:14
Speaker 11: was pretty ticked off. And I know, even though I'm
43:17
Speaker 11: a Minnesota resident, I hunt Wisconsin all the time my
43:19
Speaker 11: own land over there, I know the general vibe toward
43:23
Speaker 11: the DNR, like there's Wisconsin hunters are not shy about
43:29
Speaker 11: speaking out against the DNR. So I dig into this
43:32
Speaker 11: and I find an article by Pat in where where
43:37
Speaker 11: he has he had the same experience and wrote he
43:41
Speaker 11: did write about it. And in Pat's article he referred
43:46
Speaker 11: to this this problem with their system as a thundering
43:51
Speaker 11: herd problem in the IT world, which I love as
43:54
Speaker 11: a name. Right, everybody runs to the same spot the
43:57
Speaker 11: system crashes. And so in his reporting, Pat said that
44:02
Speaker 11: this thundering herd problem, which shuts down the system for
44:05
Speaker 11: a while, has happened in Wisconsin three times in eighteen years.
44:09
Speaker 12: And when I read that, I was like, man, I.
44:10
Speaker 11: Kind of remember going through this at some other point,
44:14
Speaker 11: so it's it has definitely happened before. But this Donald
44:20
Speaker 11: fellow blaming the Wisconsin DNR and people getting super pissed.
44:24
Speaker 11: You know, we know because of what we do with
44:26
Speaker 11: this with this company. Sometimes you contract out services, right,
44:32
Speaker 11: So the Wisconsin DNR doesn't really run that service, you
44:36
Speaker 11: know it is. It is contracts.
44:37
Speaker 1: It's not like a game warden sitting there.
44:41
Speaker 12: Pour it down like what.
44:43
Speaker 11: It reminded me of, you know, back in the day
44:46
Speaker 11: of being being primarily an outdoor writer, which was my
44:50
Speaker 11: gig for a long time, and a lot of people
44:51
Speaker 11: in here have done that. You know how it is
44:53
Speaker 11: where you send something in and maybe it's supposed to
44:56
Speaker 11: be two thousand words and you send it in at
44:58
Speaker 11: twenty two hundred or you know, they get they sell
45:00
Speaker 11: an ad and they got to cut it down by
45:02
Speaker 11: three hundred words. And that's where a lot of typos
45:04
Speaker 11: and the magazines came from. Was, you know, that last
45:07
Speaker 11: minute edit where you're like, we got to get this
45:08
Speaker 11: down to fifteen hundred words to fit, and you'd see
45:11
Speaker 11: some continuity issue in there somewhere, and then people would
45:13
Speaker 11: call you out as the writer and be like you
45:15
Speaker 11: suck man.
45:16
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you're like, I didn't you don't
45:18
Speaker 13: even know grim or right, right, so I feel like
45:21
Speaker 13: the Wisconsin DNR has has been blamed in a way
45:25
Speaker 13: that maybe they shouldn't be.
45:28
Speaker 11: And so I dug into that a little more because
45:31
Speaker 11: I understand why people were so pissed off because I
45:34
Speaker 11: was having gone through it. But we haven't had all
45:37
Speaker 11: kinds of thundering herd problems in the outdoor space. So
45:41
Speaker 11: I don't know if anybody had to buy or tried
45:43
Speaker 11: to buy an Idaho tagus for that was I think
45:46
Speaker 11: twenty twenty two, Idaho had a day long system crash.
45:52
Speaker 11: Pennsylvania had this happened with Antler list tags in twenty
45:55
Speaker 11: twenty three, and so it's not this is just a
45:59
Speaker 11: thing that happened ye with technology. And then I so
46:02
Speaker 11: then I was like, well where else does this happen?
46:05
Speaker 11: Ariana Grande in twenty twenty five and six million people
46:08
Speaker 11: try to buy a pre sale ticket event crash the
46:12
Speaker 11: whole thing, Oasis Reunion Tour, same really.
46:18
Speaker 12: Right right right?
46:21
Speaker 11: A CDC in twenty twenty four had thirty five thousand
46:23
Speaker 11: people rushed the digital door understruck.
46:25
Speaker 7: Those aren't the kind of fans you want to get mad.
46:28
Speaker 11: Right Super recent Super Bowls, NBA Finals video game releases,
46:34
Speaker 11: Comic Con events, Harvard University commencement access.
46:40
Speaker 12: I've had it apparently.
46:42
Speaker 11: And didn't keep that House of the Mouse, while Disney
46:44
Speaker 11: World has had this happen too, So.
46:48
Speaker 12: This is a thank you.
46:51
Speaker 11: This is a problem that just happens now. The one
46:55
Speaker 11: thing that I didn't encounter in any of the twenty two.
47:00
Speaker 12: Minutes I did researching.
47:01
Speaker 1: This was was the situation where no, it's good.
47:08
Speaker 11: Donald said that he had tried to get a I
47:10
Speaker 11: think he said zone two tag and ended up with
47:12
Speaker 11: Zone seven or something. I didn't see that anywhere, and
47:15
Speaker 11: I even went to I almost.
47:16
Speaker 1: Wonder if Donald didn't maybe make a mistake.
47:18
Speaker 11: Well, so you would think that, but in the system
47:22
Speaker 11: you really shouldn't be able to because when you when
47:24
Speaker 11: you get in on the specific day, there's a drop down,
47:27
Speaker 11: you know, it's like zone one tag and then a
47:29
Speaker 11: drop down for the season, and it doesn't let you go.
47:32
Speaker 1: So it wasn't his fault.
47:33
Speaker 11: But and so I went to like the state page,
47:38
Speaker 11: the Wisconsin state page on both site. You know, I
47:40
Speaker 11: went to some forums to just see if there were
47:42
Speaker 11: other people bitching about that kind of thing, and I
47:45
Speaker 11: didn't find it anywhere else. So that one is like
47:47
Speaker 11: a little bit of a mystery on what happened there.
47:51
Speaker 3: I found the Wisconsin dn r's response on Facebook to Donald,
47:56
Speaker 3: and Donald replied to them.
47:58
Speaker 1: Again, did they make amends?
47:59
Speaker 3: Well, and I will do some role playing for you.
48:02
Speaker 3: I will be the Wisconsin dn R. Randall is going
48:04
Speaker 3: to be Donald. So Wisconsin DNR says, Hi, Donald, we
48:08
Speaker 3: are aware of the issue and are working with our
48:10
Speaker 3: technology provider to resolve it. You No, yes, just simple.
48:18
Speaker 1: He needs to just have his license, yanks man.
48:21
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, he's got his full name on Facebook.
48:24
Speaker 1: That's what he said.
48:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at it right here.
48:29
Speaker 8: God loves the turkeys really quick.
48:31
Speaker 1: This episode airs tomorrow, so I don't have a lot
48:33
Speaker 1: of time to go through and bleep stuff out.
48:35
Speaker 7: So I'm just trying to go get a turkey with
48:39
Speaker 7: a license or not.
48:40
Speaker 8: Sorry, Phil, with the full context, I regret doing what I.
48:45
Speaker 1: Just thank you, Thank you, Tony. Over to Brody Tungsten, Like,
48:51
Speaker 1: speaking of turkey, did you interview Max Barta's party reported?
48:57
Speaker 1: This is a big deal.
49:00
Speaker 7: So if you're not aware of your a turkey hunter,
49:02
Speaker 7: and you're not aware that tss AMMO is extremely expensive.
49:07
Speaker 2: If you can even.
49:08
Speaker 7: Get your hands on it these days, and some people
49:13
Speaker 7: might not be aware of why that is. And there's
49:16
Speaker 7: a global tungsten shortage, mostly driven by China's dominance and
49:21
Speaker 7: kind of like owning the tungsten mining field. But there's
49:25
Speaker 7: also like export restrictions, tariffs, and rising military like global
49:33
Speaker 7: geopolitical conflicts wars if you will. So in the last
49:38
Speaker 7: year or so, the price of like raw tungsten is
49:41
Speaker 7: up five ye inventory is nearly depleted. It's likely a
49:50
Speaker 7: multi year supply deficit. Supplies are nearly exhausted, I said,
49:55
Speaker 7: And and like productions, so the production can't like cover
50:00
Speaker 7: or ramp up, there's just no way, and competition for
50:04
Speaker 7: the resources increasing.
50:06
Speaker 1: And then this up has a self perpetuating quality because
50:09
Speaker 1: the minute I learned about this, what did I do
50:13
Speaker 1: the same thing?
50:14
Speaker 2: I did the same exact thing.
50:16
Speaker 1: I was twenty two animal crisis.
50:18
Speaker 5: Yep.
50:18
Speaker 1: All my life I'd always bought like a little box
50:20
Speaker 1: of twenty two shelves to men. There was an animal crisis.
50:22
Speaker 1: I'm like, I need three bricks.
50:24
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, No, I went out and how many of
50:27
Speaker 2: these things?
50:28
Speaker 7: So I got how many do I need to buy?
50:31
Speaker 7: The reason tungsten is is like highly coveted materials. It's
50:36
Speaker 7: very dense, very hard, very heat resistant, and it's like
50:40
Speaker 7: beyond Turkey AMO. It's used in defense and military systems, aerospace, electronics,
50:46
Speaker 7: industrial applications. And so the main drivers of the supply
50:52
Speaker 7: problem are is China, who kind of controls eighty percent
50:57
Speaker 7: of the global supply HMM and terrace on Chinese tungsten
51:03
Speaker 7: are up two to three in the last year or so,
51:06
Speaker 7: and so exports have dropped to nearly.
51:09
Speaker 2: Zero in the last year.
51:10
Speaker 7: And on top of the China thing, we've got wars
51:14
Speaker 7: going on in Ukraine now a new one in Iran,
51:16
Speaker 7: and tungsten's used in Iran.
51:19
Speaker 2: What's that Iran? Around Iran?
51:23
Speaker 7: Tungsten's used in armoured piercing rounds, missiles and other.
51:29
Speaker 2: High performance munitions.
51:31
Speaker 1: Just got to go back to shooting turkeys the old way.
51:33
Speaker 5: We'll get to that.
51:35
Speaker 2: We'll get to that man.
51:37
Speaker 7: And this is something I didn't consider, is tungsen that's
51:41
Speaker 7: used in warfare is permanently removed from the global supply, right,
51:46
Speaker 7: so it can't be like once you shoot, it is gone.
51:50
Speaker 7: And supply chains are shifting towards military allocation first, like
51:55
Speaker 7: industry turkey hunting. That's all like way down the line,
52:00
Speaker 7: turkeyhunt wait on.
52:03
Speaker 1: Sadly, like the Department of Treasury is like, well, let's
52:07
Speaker 1: get the turkey then we'll move on.
52:10
Speaker 7: And it's kind of Tungus has been defined as a
52:12
Speaker 7: critically strategic mineral, really yep.
52:15
Speaker 2: So now we get to the TSS stuff.
52:17
Speaker 7: So most everyone probably knows what it is, but if
52:21
Speaker 7: you're not familiar, tungsten's super shot, which is mostly used
52:24
Speaker 7: by turkers, turkey hunters, and like really rich waterfowlers will
52:29
Speaker 7: use it too.
52:30
Speaker 1: You ever use that stuff, he's bismuth for waterfowl. But
52:35
Speaker 1: that's rich guy anyway, though, that you rich.
52:38
Speaker 7: So TSS is ninety five percent tungsten. Tungsten's twice as
52:41
Speaker 7: dense as led about little little less. But what that
52:45
Speaker 7: means is a tiny number nine TSS pellet weighs the
52:49
Speaker 7: same as a number five lead pellet. So in a shell,
52:53
Speaker 7: a shotgun shell, you get way more pellets per shell,
52:57
Speaker 7: carrying way more energy over longer distances.
52:59
Speaker 2: And it's it's like.
53:01
Speaker 7: Like it's made a huge difference in turkey hunting, Like
53:04
Speaker 7: I personally can say it's like the biggest change in
53:09
Speaker 7: turkey hunting that I've seen in my life has been
53:12
Speaker 7: TSS AMMO as far as like killing turkeys.
53:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, like killing turkeys with pedals to size of coarse
53:17
Speaker 1: ground black peppers.
53:18
Speaker 7: Yeah, dude, and even at sixty yards, Like if you're
53:21
Speaker 7: steady and you're drawing a bead on a gobbler, like
53:23
Speaker 7: he's already you know, he's already dead, like he ain't
53:26
Speaker 7: walking away.
53:26
Speaker 6: What would the how does it change the effective range
53:29
Speaker 6: compared to.
53:32
Speaker 7: I mean, you might get Lucky's shooting lead number five's
53:35
Speaker 7: and kill one at sixty yards because you get one
53:37
Speaker 7: pellet in his head.
53:38
Speaker 12: But it's yeah, it's right, Well you have twice as
53:42
Speaker 12: many peals, Like I'm not a.
53:44
Speaker 2: Comfortable shooting at a gobbler at sixty yards.
53:46
Speaker 1: Really right, But listen, dude, if I like, I'll go
53:50
Speaker 1: back to the old I don't care.
53:51
Speaker 2: We're gonna get to that man.
53:53
Speaker 7: So last year, forty to sixty bucks for a box
53:58
Speaker 7: of twelve or twenty gaged TSS. This year you're looking
54:02
Speaker 7: at eighty to one hundred in some cases up to
54:05
Speaker 7: two hundred like the custom stuff. So now manufacturers are questioning,
54:11
Speaker 7: like is aunt the average hunter are going to pay
54:13
Speaker 7: twenty to.
54:14
Speaker 2: Thirty bucks a shell.
54:16
Speaker 7: And the thing is is like prices they're gonna stay
54:18
Speaker 7: high or they're gonna keep going up. Inventory is shrinking,
54:22
Speaker 7: and it's just the price is just gonna keep climbing.
54:25
Speaker 7: So like the the days of like semi affordable TSS loads,
54:30
Speaker 7: that like.
54:30
Speaker 1: Might be a thing of that, Like this is you're
54:33
Speaker 1: not kneeling like this is a blip, no, because it's like.
54:36
Speaker 2: The supply is years behind.
54:38
Speaker 7: Like one I saw a quote from one custom turkey manufacturer,
54:43
Speaker 7: Turkey AMMO manufacturer Salt Creek Custom Ammo.
54:46
Speaker 14: I've bought from them before, says TSS is dead really
54:51
Speaker 14: and so if this happens, man, it's like not only
54:55
Speaker 14: the AMMO thing, but like I hunt turkeys with a
54:59
Speaker 14: twenty age.
55:00
Speaker 7: My kids have killed them with a four to ten.
55:03
Speaker 7: Guys are hunting them with twenty eight gages now, so
55:05
Speaker 7: like these small bore.
55:07
Speaker 1: Shotgun, yeah, the four to ten as a turkey gun
55:10
Speaker 1: became a turkey gun.
55:11
Speaker 2: Because and it could just be like useless.
55:14
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, my kids killed the first turkey shooting four
55:16
Speaker 1: tens yep with TSS, but.
55:19
Speaker 7: Even twelve gauge hunters, like you said, are probably gonna
55:24
Speaker 7: have to switch back to some kind of lead shot
55:26
Speaker 7: and just get better at bringing turkeys in close.
55:30
Speaker 1: If this is the case, better at ditch growl.
55:33
Speaker 6: When was TSS introduced to the turkey world? Like, how
55:36
Speaker 6: long does it lasted?
55:37
Speaker 7: I started hunting with tunks and probably like in twenty
55:41
Speaker 7: twelve to fourteen. But that wasn't this TSS stuff they
55:44
Speaker 7: were using, Like I remember having like a blend of five.
55:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, well third degrees had sometimes sixty seven. Yeah, that's
55:53
Speaker 1: I still got a little sash that but full on tungsten.
55:56
Speaker 7: I don't know, like eight years ago, six eight years Yeah, when.
56:00
Speaker 1: You started being able to just like buy you know,
56:02
Speaker 1: when all the guys I hang out was started shooting
56:05
Speaker 1: number nine tongus wasn't that many years?
56:06
Speaker 11: No, So brody is it as a fan of tongue
56:10
Speaker 11: like I am too when I started using it. My
56:12
Speaker 11: daughter's killed turkeys with four ten game changer. My daughter's
56:15
Speaker 11: actually shot nine times with TSS and one hour of
56:19
Speaker 11: turkey hunting one which and I had to strangle the
56:24
Speaker 11: only bird we got.
56:26
Speaker 8: You only want to buy one of them turkey. I
56:28
Speaker 8: can tell you.
56:29
Speaker 11: One thing in that blind I was swearing worse than
56:33
Speaker 11: Donald was when he couldn't get his tag.
56:35
Speaker 1: Oh my god. When it is a problem when you're Ammo,
56:39
Speaker 1: when your turkey Ammo the shell, not the box. The
56:43
Speaker 1: shell costs more to turkey tag. Right, that's a problem.
56:47
Speaker 11: Well, right, And when you're digging in your backpack for
56:50
Speaker 11: another box of Ammo in the first hour of a
56:54
Speaker 11: hunt and there's tears in the blind rough stuff iren't familiar.
56:59
Speaker 2: A box of tsf Amo is five shots.
57:02
Speaker 1: Right, it's not right? But and Max tell the Max
57:06
Speaker 1: Barter part of this.
57:07
Speaker 2: Max hit the jackpot.
57:08
Speaker 1: Me and him were down in Nevada and falling the
57:10
Speaker 1: no one hunts.
57:11
Speaker 2: That's I'm convinced that's.
57:12
Speaker 1: Why they got turks. But yeah, they got We were
57:15
Speaker 1: in foul in Nevada. I was in the hotel room.
57:18
Speaker 1: Max wanders into some sporting good store and walks out
57:21
Speaker 1: of there with.
57:22
Speaker 7: Five, no eight boxes of four to ten TSS. You
57:25
Speaker 7: paid thirty bucks a piece for it.
57:27
Speaker 3: So that would have been I've been half lest year.
57:30
Speaker 1: That was half At that time, I go, that's half off.
57:34
Speaker 1: And I look at him like that's more than half
57:36
Speaker 1: off at that moment. And then tungsten exploded and he said,
57:39
Speaker 1: he's gonna sell me back a box.
57:41
Speaker 2: But Max is like, I don't even need this stuff.
57:43
Speaker 2: I'm just buying it because he's horrid.
57:45
Speaker 8: That contributes to the problem.
57:48
Speaker 11: So does this change the calculus, because when people look
57:52
Speaker 11: at expensive turkey shows, like you mentioned, if you're gonna
57:55
Speaker 11: go waterfall hunting, you're like, it's a different thing. Yeah,
57:58
Speaker 11: bismuth whatever, You're gonna just burn through some right, But
58:01
Speaker 11: the justification for those super expensive shells was they performed
58:05
Speaker 11: so well for turkeys.
58:07
Speaker 12: Yeah, you're only going to shoot.
58:09
Speaker 1: What's ever in people's head? Dude? Someone tells you, it's
58:11
Speaker 1: like you know and you I don't know. You just
58:13
Speaker 1: kind of you get like used to stuff. I'm going
58:15
Speaker 1: back to shooting. Well, I'm going I still have some
58:17
Speaker 1: of my dad's turkey, right, I.
58:20
Speaker 2: Mean we killed, but you forget so quickly, right, and
58:24
Speaker 2: like it's.
58:25
Speaker 1: Just shooting with like number five copper plated.
58:29
Speaker 12: You ever have with those little nines? You ever have
58:32
Speaker 12: somebody shoot like the breast.
58:34
Speaker 5: Yeah you got it.
58:35
Speaker 8: Yeah, you gotta make sure you can brost your.
58:37
Speaker 1: Teeth all the hell.
58:40
Speaker 7: I got one little Thing's an add on to this
58:43
Speaker 7: about Trump's tariffs. It's This is not just a TSS thing.
58:48
Speaker 7: The prices of other ammunition are also on the rise
58:51
Speaker 7: because AMRO production kind of is also like a global thing.
58:55
Speaker 7: Nitro cellulose, a gunpowderingingreed ingredient, is sourced internationally, and US
59:02
Speaker 7: tariffs on imports are increasing the cost of raw materials
59:06
Speaker 7: and finished AMMO. As an example, UMO companies that it's
59:13
Speaker 7: like a thin margin so they can't absorb these tariffs.
59:16
Speaker 7: Somo manufacturers are reporting a fifteen percent price increase over
59:22
Speaker 7: since twenty twenty four, and an example is bulk nine
59:25
Speaker 7: millimeter has gone from twenty three cents around in mid
59:29
Speaker 7: twenty twenty five so less than a year, to thirty
59:32
Speaker 7: five cents around right now.
59:34
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's almost like a third. They're actually fifty
59:38
Speaker 2: percent increase.
59:39
Speaker 1: Its war on shooters, So there you go.
59:42
Speaker 3: The top twelve gage TSS round at bass Pro right
59:45
Speaker 3: now is nineteen dollars a shell, and the four to
59:47
Speaker 3: ten am is all about half price of the twelve gage.
59:51
Speaker 1: Dude, that'll make you know it's going to lead to
59:53
Speaker 1: his people not shooting as mate, jakes Man, you think
59:57
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I don't know, dude, like twenty bucks.
59:59
Speaker 2: I'll be back this that can affect me.
1:00:01
Speaker 1: I'm right, me too over to bear new them for
1:00:05
Speaker 1: some Oklahoma bear news. Yeah did I earlier say Arkansas
1:00:09
Speaker 1: bear news? I believe I did. You did say? You
1:00:12
Speaker 1: know what, I'm going to redo the whole beginning. People
1:00:15
Speaker 1: listening to know won't know what I'm talking about.
1:00:18
Speaker 6: Wow.
1:00:19
Speaker 1: Well, uh so.
1:00:21
Speaker 15: House Bill four one two eight is a new bill
1:00:24
Speaker 15: proposition in Oklahoma, And basically what they're proposing is an
1:00:29
Speaker 15: extension of the Oklahoma bear season by two weeks earlier.
1:00:33
Speaker 15: So if you if you bait bears in the southeast,
1:00:35
Speaker 15: you know that is a huge difference because baiting success
1:00:40
Speaker 15: is entirely dependent on when the acorns drop. It's historic acres,
1:00:47
Speaker 15: it's the season has historically started on October first. They're
1:00:50
Speaker 15: wanting to bump it up to September fifteenth, so usually
1:00:52
Speaker 15: it starts after the acron drop. They're wanting to bump
1:00:55
Speaker 15: it a full two weeks to before the acren drip.
1:00:58
Speaker 1: When they're more susceptible. Debate, right, because your father has
1:01:01
Speaker 1: told me, he's like, it doesn't matter what you're using
1:01:05
Speaker 1: for bait. One sake can get acorns.
1:01:08
Speaker 6: They're out of there.
1:01:09
Speaker 15: They want acorns, yeah, more than donuts, yeah, and so
1:01:13
Speaker 15: and then they want to bump the bear quota up
1:01:16
Speaker 15: by three hundred percent. And the truth is is that
1:01:20
Speaker 15: Oklahoma could afford to take a few more bears. The
1:01:23
Speaker 15: bear population is doing really well, but it is just
1:01:27
Speaker 15: super abrupt and super aggressive. And what's happening is the
1:01:32
Speaker 15: House Representative, Scott Fettgatter, he's the one pushing the bill.
1:01:37
Speaker 15: And if you watch some of the meetings and the hearings,
1:01:41
Speaker 15: he's talking, he brings his own evidence for how much
1:01:45
Speaker 15: how many bears can be taken out. All his evidence
1:01:48
Speaker 15: is from Kentucky, the state of Kentucky, which has four
1:01:51
Speaker 15: different three or four different states pouring bear population.
1:01:53
Speaker 1: That's where he's pulling his management data from.
1:01:55
Speaker 6: Right whereas Oklahoma has won and that's Arkansas.
1:01:58
Speaker 15: And so it's if you in the meetings, I watched
1:02:03
Speaker 15: a clip right before this where he was talking about
1:02:05
Speaker 15: all of his evidence that he's gathered for why they
1:02:08
Speaker 15: should push the season up.
1:02:11
Speaker 6: And the issue is is this, there's a whole, there's
1:02:14
Speaker 6: a whole.
1:02:17
Speaker 15: This guy shouldn't be the one who's doing the science
1:02:19
Speaker 15: to manage the bear population. It needs to be the
1:02:22
Speaker 15: game and fish commissions and the Wildlife Department, and so
1:02:26
Speaker 15: it's just like the bill itself isn't a massive deal.
1:02:31
Speaker 15: Like I think if the bill goes through, a bunch
1:02:33
Speaker 15: of bears get killed, like we just won't kill as
1:02:36
Speaker 15: many bears and they'll have to adjust from there. But
1:02:39
Speaker 15: what it's doing is it's setting the precedent for legislators
1:02:43
Speaker 15: to be able to to to make laws based on
1:02:48
Speaker 15: self interest.
1:02:49
Speaker 1: And yeah, like the agency is like, our research are
1:02:54
Speaker 1: modeling shows that this is and I should clarify this.
1:02:58
Speaker 1: If you have an agency, see that it's a good
1:03:01
Speaker 1: steward and a good pro hunting agency. And the agency
1:03:05
Speaker 1: is like, this is what we're comfortable with. And then
1:03:07
Speaker 1: a lawmaker goes, we should be killing a bunch more
1:03:10
Speaker 1: based on my own home research job. So I'm going
1:03:14
Speaker 1: to usurp you, you eggheads at the agency, and here's
1:03:19
Speaker 1: my proposal.
1:03:20
Speaker 15: Yeah, and the crazy thing is is that the bear
1:03:24
Speaker 15: Commissioner or the bear coordinator just got to prove to
1:03:27
Speaker 15: do a two year study on the bear population and
1:03:32
Speaker 15: in two years will have really scientifically based numbers on
1:03:36
Speaker 15: what the harvest can be.
1:03:37
Speaker 7: You mentioned earlier, like they could probably afford to shoot
1:03:41
Speaker 7: a few more, but it's not a big populations.
1:03:44
Speaker 6: They can't afford to shoot three, that's for sure.
1:03:47
Speaker 1: Are you saying the season would go from two weeks
1:03:50
Speaker 1: long to how long?
1:03:52
Speaker 6: It would open two weeks earlier?
1:03:54
Speaker 1: Okay?
1:03:55
Speaker 15: So and that's when all the bears are killed? Is
1:03:57
Speaker 15: in that first week usually? And yeah, so it's just
1:04:01
Speaker 15: it's just lack of science base.
1:04:03
Speaker 1: What is his motivation? Like, here's here's a quote from
1:04:05
Speaker 1: him that this representative what's his name's fat Gadder. Here's
1:04:12
Speaker 1: a quote from him. We look at bears as cute,
1:04:15
Speaker 1: cuddly little animals that we can sleep at night with,
1:04:19
Speaker 1: but the reality of it is they're very dangerous. Just
1:04:23
Speaker 1: really is what question?
1:04:24
Speaker 4: But is that like?
1:04:25
Speaker 1: But what is his motivation?
1:04:27
Speaker 6: That's the question.
1:04:29
Speaker 15: He's a deer breeder and so that this is where
1:04:32
Speaker 15: it kind of gets interesting, is he's a deer breeder.
1:04:35
Speaker 15: And I think a lot of people would be familiar
1:04:37
Speaker 15: with the CWD bill that is about to get pushed
1:04:40
Speaker 15: where essentially private landowners can can buy deer that are
1:04:45
Speaker 15: captive bread deer that are perceivably immune to c w
1:04:49
Speaker 15: D and then release them into the wild. Which that's
1:04:53
Speaker 15: a whole other conversation. But so he's a deer breeder
1:04:56
Speaker 15: and there's here's word on the street. This is kind
1:04:59
Speaker 15: of some speculation. So I don't I don't want to
1:05:02
Speaker 15: say this is fact, but this is word on the street.
1:05:05
Speaker 15: There's a there's another.
1:05:06
Speaker 1: You're a rumor. This is a room. This is a room.
1:05:08
Speaker 15: Say it's a rumor, it's a rumor. There's another deer
1:05:10
Speaker 15: bringing there in Oklahoma. And he is the one who
1:05:14
Speaker 15: originally or not originally, but he's he's pushing really hard
1:05:17
Speaker 15: for the bear bill and for the c w D bill.
1:05:22
Speaker 15: But fet Gatder, I mean, it would make no sense
1:05:24
Speaker 15: for Fetgatter to put his name on the.
1:05:25
Speaker 1: C w D bill because he's a deer breeder, got it.
1:05:29
Speaker 15: But this other guy, rumor is they're really good friends.
1:05:33
Speaker 15: And this other guy hates bears because they're eating his
1:05:36
Speaker 15: fawns and they're they're getting on his property. He has
1:05:40
Speaker 15: a property that is surrounded on three or four sized
1:05:43
Speaker 15: national forest, which if you if you've got a property
1:05:46
Speaker 15: surrounded by national forest in southeast Oklahoma, there's gonna be
1:05:49
Speaker 15: a bunch of bears. And so he's pushing for the
1:05:53
Speaker 15: c w D bill and the bear bill really hard.
1:05:57
Speaker 15: And so my question too was also like, what's it's
1:06:00
Speaker 15: the motivation behind it? And I've not gotten a concrete answer,
1:06:03
Speaker 15: but the my personal speculation would would be to think
1:06:09
Speaker 15: that he's just a deer hunter who doesn't like the
1:06:12
Speaker 15: bears kill him the deer, or is under that impression
1:06:15
Speaker 15: that bears are just wiping out the deer population.
1:06:17
Speaker 1: Or he's a bear hunter and he realizes that if
1:06:20
Speaker 1: he had two weeks earlier hunting, he'd have a better
1:06:24
Speaker 1: bear season.
1:06:24
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's true, that's that's another another thought.
1:06:27
Speaker 15: But he also like the you know that he would
1:06:31
Speaker 15: have It would benefit him massively to be able to
1:06:34
Speaker 15: sell captive deer as well.
1:06:36
Speaker 6: And I wonder if he's not just like.
1:06:38
Speaker 15: A deer hunter who wants the Oklahoma genetics maybe to
1:06:42
Speaker 15: be influent to have better genetics in Oklahoma, or you know,
1:06:47
Speaker 15: it's it seems like his mind is only on the deer,
1:06:49
Speaker 15: not the bear.
1:06:50
Speaker 1: So what's your like, what's your take on the bear deal?
1:06:53
Speaker 1: Do you think it's Do you think it's too too
1:06:54
Speaker 1: much harvest?
1:06:55
Speaker 15: I think it's too much harvest, and I think I
1:06:57
Speaker 15: think it just needs to be slow. I mean, like
1:07:00
Speaker 15: the season Mike could afford to be bumped two weeks up,
1:07:03
Speaker 15: but to do that all in one year and then
1:07:05
Speaker 15: to bump the quote up by three hundred percent, Yeah,
1:07:08
Speaker 15: is h is just way too fast to be doing
1:07:10
Speaker 15: something like that. And I just don't think that the
1:07:14
Speaker 15: House Representative needs to be doing the research and needs
1:07:17
Speaker 15: to be pushing for a bill like that that needs
1:07:20
Speaker 15: to be done inside the Wildlife Department.
1:07:22
Speaker 1: You'd advocate for a more incremental approach coming from the biologists.
1:07:26
Speaker 15: And a more scientific approach. And what this bill is,
1:07:29
Speaker 15: it's just a broader representation of what's happening all across
1:07:32
Speaker 15: the country. Just lack of science based management and there's
1:07:36
Speaker 15: just a lot of a lot of politics and opinions
1:07:39
Speaker 15: getting mixed in with wildlife regulations.
1:07:42
Speaker 1: It's a theme. It's a theme. People get frustrated with
1:07:45
Speaker 1: the state agencies and they and they find workarounds, ballt initiatives, whatever. Yeah, well,
1:07:51
Speaker 1: Randall's gonna touch on a few bear hunting issues too,
1:07:53
Speaker 1: thank you.
1:07:54
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:07:55
Speaker 8: Uh, quick update from Washington. They released a game Management Plan,
1:08:03
Speaker 8: which is like a doc. It's a long, very long
1:08:06
Speaker 8: document that provides recommendations to the Game and Fish Commission.
1:08:11
Speaker 8: And we know in Washington that there have been issues
1:08:15
Speaker 8: with individuals associated with the Commission being antagonistic towards hunting
1:08:20
Speaker 8: and fishing. But on so, there's no like concrete changes
1:08:24
Speaker 8: yet as far as I'm aware. But as part of
1:08:26
Speaker 8: this game management plan, there's a sentence in it where
1:08:30
Speaker 8: it describes like the other sort of wildlife values associated
1:08:34
Speaker 8: with bears, and it makes mention of potentially delaying the
1:08:38
Speaker 8: fall bear season until after Labor Day, because as we
1:08:41
Speaker 8: all know, Labor Day is a good weekend for wildlife
1:08:44
Speaker 8: viewers to go out and look at bears, and so
1:08:46
Speaker 8: they want to avoid folks, you know, out there with
1:08:49
Speaker 8: their binoculars and their picnic baskets watching watching bears get
1:08:53
Speaker 8: get shot like it's it's I guess this came up
1:09:00
Speaker 8: in some sort of earlier policy debate and it had
1:09:05
Speaker 8: gone away, and then it's sort of mysteriously this language
1:09:07
Speaker 8: mysteriously resurfaced in the game management plan, and it seems
1:09:11
Speaker 8: to have caught the attention of sportsmen's groups after this
1:09:14
Speaker 8: game management plan was published. But I know there's a
1:09:17
Speaker 8: lot of folks worked up about it, and not only
1:09:21
Speaker 8: just like out of self interest, but it it sort
1:09:23
Speaker 8: of poses hunters as antagonistic towards other public land users,
1:09:29
Speaker 8: you know.
1:09:30
Speaker 1: And I was reading anyone who's familiar with that era
1:09:34
Speaker 1: at sorry with that area, like like bear hunting in
1:09:38
Speaker 1: that state, this is this is make believe land. That
1:09:45
Speaker 1: there's conflict between these these like wildlife viewers and bear hunters.
1:09:50
Speaker 1: This is make believe right.
1:09:51
Speaker 8: And so most units I guess open currently August first
1:09:56
Speaker 8: or August fifteenth, And so if you were to push
1:09:59
Speaker 8: that back after after Labor Day, that's basically cutting a
1:10:01
Speaker 8: month off the season.
1:10:03
Speaker 1: And it is early season, yeah, it is.
1:10:06
Speaker 8: But also I think like the context of them losing
1:10:10
Speaker 8: the spring bear hunt not all that long ago, is
1:10:14
Speaker 8: still they're fresh wounds about that.
1:10:16
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm not when I when I bring up
1:10:18
Speaker 1: that it's the early season. Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying that, like,
1:10:21
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they should change it. I'm just saying
1:10:26
Speaker 1: if if it was otherwise, if it was if it
1:10:28
Speaker 1: was always otherwise, always a month later, people would never
1:10:33
Speaker 1: look and be like, what gives why is your bear
1:10:35
Speaker 1: season so late? Because that's kind of like bear season, right,
1:10:39
Speaker 1: like they have a very early fall bear season.
1:10:45
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:10:45
Speaker 8: I was reading some commentary on this, and there was
1:10:48
Speaker 8: a guy who made a great point. And he said,
1:10:50
Speaker 8: he said, I'm like a total backpacker public land user,
1:10:55
Speaker 8: what you would call like a ri I type, you know.
1:10:58
Speaker 8: And he said, I'm also hunting. And he said, when
1:11:00
Speaker 8: I'm a hiker and I run into hunters on the trail,
1:11:03
Speaker 8: we engage and have a positive like discussion and sort
1:11:08
Speaker 8: of like build that bridge. And he said, when I'm hunting,
1:11:11
Speaker 8: I run into other hikers on the trail, and it's
1:11:13
Speaker 8: a good opportunity for us to like build that again,
1:11:17
Speaker 8: build the bridge between those two communities. And so he's like,
1:11:21
Speaker 8: just the idea that we would try to separate out
1:11:24
Speaker 8: hunters from other public land users, even if that's not
1:11:27
Speaker 8: the intention. He's like, I just think in the long run.
1:11:30
Speaker 8: So I thought that was a great point. We had
1:11:33
Speaker 8: just something to keep an eye on. I don't know
1:11:35
Speaker 8: when their season setting takes place or when if there
1:11:40
Speaker 8: will be like action taken on this suggestion, but it's
1:11:44
Speaker 8: out there.
1:11:45
Speaker 7: There's a lot of similarities here between like the Wildlife
1:11:48
Speaker 7: Commission in Colorado and the Wildlife Commission in Washington.
1:11:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and it stays having lost the spring bear
1:11:55
Speaker 1: season and then you're gonna lose a month on fall.
1:11:57
Speaker 1: I mean that's a real that's a kick to the nuts.
1:11:59
Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, so that's some obviously like something to keep
1:12:04
Speaker 8: your eye on, some disheartening news. And then at the
1:12:07
Speaker 8: same time, in Arizona there's a bill to redefine mountain
1:12:15
Speaker 8: lions and bears as predatory animals, so they would get
1:12:19
Speaker 8: lumped in with foxes, skunks, coyotes, and bobcats and bears.
1:12:24
Speaker 1: Yes, but these are game animals right right, And.
1:12:31
Speaker 8: I mean I don't really understand. I guess there was
1:12:34
Speaker 8: a version of the bill earlier that that included wolves
1:12:37
Speaker 8: in that as well, but currently, like it just means
1:12:44
Speaker 8: that they would be like non game animals.
1:12:49
Speaker 1: But they got a es A protection right now.
1:12:51
Speaker 8: Well that's so that that's I think why it was
1:12:53
Speaker 8: cut out, Like the wolves were cut out.
1:12:56
Speaker 1: Of the bill. The Mexican gray wolf in Arizona has
1:12:58
Speaker 1: ESA protection.
1:12:59
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I reach out to halfle Finger because they'll
1:13:01
Speaker 8: probably have a lot of thoughts to clear up my.
1:13:06
Speaker 1: So this is coming from this is definitely coming from
1:13:09
Speaker 1: people who are who are who are concerned about predation. Yeah,
1:13:14
Speaker 1: on deer and elk, Yeah, that's that's and they want
1:13:17
Speaker 1: fewer predators on the landscape, and they think the pathway
1:13:20
Speaker 1: to get there is just to deregulate mountain lions and
1:13:23
Speaker 1: black bears into like coyotes.
1:13:26
Speaker 2: Yeah them like Burman yep.
1:13:28
Speaker 15: Yeah.
1:13:29
Speaker 8: So I mean that, like in a lot of states,
1:13:31
Speaker 8: that's what they were up until the mid twentieth century,
1:13:35
Speaker 8: early twentieth century, and they're reclassified as game animals and
1:13:40
Speaker 8: that's done well for all these species, right, Like it's
1:13:43
Speaker 8: been key to their recovery in a lot of places.
1:13:45
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't like you know that. What's funny
1:13:47
Speaker 1: about all this stuff, man, all the stuff we're getting
1:13:49
Speaker 1: into is like, you know, bear talking about well they
1:13:56
Speaker 1: want to make a bear season bigger, right, and you
1:13:59
Speaker 1: look down you're like, oh, that's kind of problematic. So
1:14:02
Speaker 1: then someone is like, hey, we want to make a
1:14:04
Speaker 1: bear season shorter, and you're left going like, well that
1:14:07
Speaker 1: seems kind of problematic because what you're always trying to
1:14:11
Speaker 1: weigh out when you look at this is you're trying
1:14:13
Speaker 1: to lay out like, what are the motivations, right, what
1:14:17
Speaker 1: are the motivations of what people are driving at and
1:14:21
Speaker 1: what happens when you take things too extreme? So, like
1:14:25
Speaker 1: the juxtaposition between the Washington move Hey, we're going to
1:14:28
Speaker 1: shorten bear season. You look like, well, you're motivated because
1:14:31
Speaker 1: you want to kill the whole thing. Like the person
1:14:34
Speaker 1: that wants to do that doesn't want anyone to hunt
1:14:37
Speaker 1: any bears, right, And then you go down to Arizona,
1:14:40
Speaker 1: like what's motivating that the person that wants to do
1:14:43
Speaker 1: that doesn't want any bears? Right?
1:14:46
Speaker 8: Yeah?
1:14:47
Speaker 1: And so you're trying to like look at like who's
1:14:48
Speaker 1: got peer intentions aligned with like long term wildlife management
1:14:54
Speaker 1: and long term interest the hunters, and so you can
1:14:57
Speaker 1: wind up being.
1:14:57
Speaker 8: The agencies are those people?
1:14:59
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, Like and so you're looking at me
1:15:02
Speaker 1: like what I'm saying, Like someone dropping in from another
1:15:05
Speaker 1: planet might be like, well, I'm it. Why is it
1:15:06
Speaker 1: the problem that they're like making a season bigger? But
1:15:09
Speaker 1: it's also a problem that someone else is making a
1:15:12
Speaker 1: season shoulder Like which is right? And it's like which
1:15:14
Speaker 1: is right? Is who has in mind? What goal are
1:15:17
Speaker 1: they pursuing?
1:15:18
Speaker 15: Yeah?
1:15:18
Speaker 8: And I think like I was up at the Capitol,
1:15:22
Speaker 8: It's last January when there was a meal deer bill
1:15:28
Speaker 8: in the in the committee being heard about, uh, basically
1:15:32
Speaker 8: making it so that f TOBP couldn't shut down meal
1:15:35
Speaker 8: deer buck hunting during the rut if there were units
1:15:37
Speaker 8: that had low populations. And the bill never went anywhere,
1:15:40
Speaker 8: but one of the committee members kind of stood up,
1:15:43
Speaker 8: and Grant standed and said, you know how am I
1:15:47
Speaker 8: supposed to go back home to my district and tell
1:15:49
Speaker 8: these people that unelected bureaucrats are making decisions about their
1:15:53
Speaker 8: fish and wildlife. And I was just like, that's how
1:15:56
Speaker 8: it's supposed to work. It's like, that's exactly how it's
1:16:00
Speaker 8: supposed to work. So I don't know, like I kind
1:16:05
Speaker 8: of wish in some instances.
1:16:06
Speaker 1: That the unelected beercrats running the Supreme Court.
1:16:10
Speaker 8: Yeah, like like state legislators, I feel like are particularly
1:16:16
Speaker 8: susceptible to doing this and like stepping in front of
1:16:18
Speaker 8: the agency and trying to make season setting.
1:16:21
Speaker 7: This favor with your constituents pretty quick.
1:16:24
Speaker 8: On a like a right. But in the big picture
1:16:28
Speaker 8: health of like this whole system that we benefit from,
1:16:30
Speaker 8: it's not a it's not a good thing.
1:16:34
Speaker 1: Here's one and this is one I wanting to talk about.
1:16:37
Speaker 1: This is this is a major issue. Almost I want
1:16:39
Speaker 1: to spend more time on the future. This is a
1:16:41
Speaker 1: way of tipping it off, and I'd like to find
1:16:43
Speaker 1: a great guest for the interview show, just to come
1:16:45
Speaker 1: in and do a podcast interview about the issue of
1:16:50
Speaker 1: bottom trawling. Okay, I gotta explain this whole thing. But
1:16:53
Speaker 1: bottom the bottom trawling industry, particularly in international waters in Alaska,
1:16:59
Speaker 1: which has become the subject of trawling, has become a
1:17:03
Speaker 1: very contentious issue in recent years as we're seeing collapses
1:17:09
Speaker 1: and declines in certain fish stocks. Okay, when we say
1:17:13
Speaker 1: when someone says bottom trawling, another term they used for
1:17:15
Speaker 1: it is like a dragger dragging. Okay, These bottom trawlers
1:17:20
Speaker 1: are draggers, are usually targeting large schools of high volume,
1:17:26
Speaker 1: low quality fish like pollock for instance. They got they
1:17:30
Speaker 1: got nets the size of football fields, and the nets
1:17:33
Speaker 1: are weighted. So when you call them draggers, it's because
1:17:35
Speaker 1: they literally this net system is heavily weighted and is
1:17:39
Speaker 1: literally dragged along the bottom to where it like scrapes
1:17:42
Speaker 1: up crabs and stuff.
1:17:44
Speaker 7: You can do a real quick search on YouTube just
1:17:47
Speaker 7: type in bottom trawling video and you'll see what these
1:17:49
Speaker 7: things do.
1:17:50
Speaker 2: It's pretty like eye opening.
1:17:52
Speaker 1: It like if you've been out raking your garden or something.
1:17:55
Speaker 1: It rakes the ocean floor. So people have long looked
1:17:59
Speaker 1: at what are the detriments of all that of like
1:18:02
Speaker 1: habitat destruction from drag and these nets and also the
1:18:05
Speaker 1: bycatch in this industry hit some pretty crazy levels. So
1:18:15
Speaker 1: annually it's estimated that annually draggers are discarding about one
1:18:20
Speaker 1: hundred and forty one million pounds of bycatch okay, king salmon, chum, salmon, halibate,
1:18:28
Speaker 1: even killer whales okay on the Yukon right now. So
1:18:33
Speaker 1: think about like this, like let's let's talk about king
1:18:36
Speaker 1: salmon and halibate. King salmon are in bad, bad shape. Okay,
1:18:43
Speaker 1: there's been a king salmon. Like Indigenous people have been
1:18:46
Speaker 1: fishing king salmon on the Yukon River for ten thousand years.
1:18:49
Speaker 1: Right now. You can't keep it king salmon on the Yukon.
1:18:53
Speaker 1: You cannot keep a king salmon on the Yukon. The
1:18:56
Speaker 1: dragers and they have observers on board, counting by catches
1:19:01
Speaker 1: are not guesses. The draggers are killing more kings as
1:19:07
Speaker 1: bycatch than make it to the upper Yukon. Wow, there's
1:19:15
Speaker 1: a site you can go on. I was on the
1:19:17
Speaker 1: site earlier today. There's a site you can go on.
1:19:19
Speaker 1: You can track by date the by catch from the
1:19:22
Speaker 1: dragging industry, the bottom trawling industry. Okay, this year, so
1:19:29
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, as of if you go on this thing,
1:19:31
Speaker 1: they got data up to March seven. Up to March seven,
1:19:34
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, the draggers off the Alaska's shorelines, they've
1:19:39
Speaker 1: killed one point three million pounds of halibit. Most years
1:19:43
Speaker 1: they're scratching off three point five to four point five
1:19:46
Speaker 1: million pounds of halibit. I got a question, and they
1:19:49
Speaker 1: let me finish this point on that. And that's not
1:19:52
Speaker 1: counting the ones that are what's called deck sorded we're
1:19:56
Speaker 1: hell are removed and thrown back in. And some people
1:20:00
Speaker 1: estimate that fifty percent of those dives, so that number
1:20:03
Speaker 1: isn't even totally there. They'll hit in a year. They're
1:20:07
Speaker 1: gonna hit thirty five thousand kings, okay, so far this year,
1:20:12
Speaker 1: just in twenty twenty six, eight hundred kings. As of
1:20:16
Speaker 1: a month ago, ten thousand, eight hundred kings. And you
1:20:20
Speaker 1: can't keep a king on the kind of go ahead.
1:20:23
Speaker 7: Those bottom trawlers are not set up to keep and
1:20:28
Speaker 7: use that by catch like like no, they can't pull
1:20:31
Speaker 7: a king out and say we're gonna send this to
1:20:34
Speaker 7: market or a big alb or no.
1:20:35
Speaker 1: This stuff, this stuff gets now. I one time had
1:20:38
Speaker 1: burger and a beer with a bottom trawler in Seattle, Washington,
1:20:43
Speaker 1: where the bottom trawling industry is. Like, he's like a
1:20:46
Speaker 1: friend of a friend. He's probably pisseding me. Right at
1:20:48
Speaker 1: this very second he was talking about he was making
1:20:52
Speaker 1: a point to me talking about the guys that work
1:20:55
Speaker 1: on the boat that when they come off the boat
1:20:58
Speaker 1: they have palettes of fish to bring home personal use.
1:21:05
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:21:06
Speaker 1: And I don't even know if that's loud or not.
1:21:08
Speaker 1: Palettes of fish sable fish. But this stuff is getting
1:21:13
Speaker 1: kicked off. Okay, Now there's a pole that's out. I
1:21:20
Speaker 1: don't know who conducted the pole. I haven't looked at
1:21:22
Speaker 1: the pole. There's a pole of a thousand people, and
1:21:24
Speaker 1: it could I didn't read the wording on the pole.
1:21:26
Speaker 1: And you can heavily influence a poll by how you
1:21:28
Speaker 1: word a pole, right, and a really good polster builds
1:21:33
Speaker 1: questions that aren't leading. I don't know what the questions are.
1:21:36
Speaker 1: I don't know how valid the polling data is. But
1:21:38
Speaker 1: there's some pole of dating polling data suggesting that seventy
1:21:42
Speaker 1: four percent of Alaskans of pose bottom trawling. What happened recently?
1:21:48
Speaker 1: There's this open letter where five thousand Alaskans wrote an
1:21:51
Speaker 1: open letter to Representative Nick Beggach, who apparently had campaigned
1:21:58
Speaker 1: on raining in the bottom trawlers. But since the election
1:22:01
Speaker 1: hasn't in their mind, I don't know about the extent
1:22:05
Speaker 1: of this in this letter's mind, hasn't hasn't made good
1:22:08
Speaker 1: on the promise to reign in bottom trawlers.
1:22:13
Speaker 10: Uh.
1:22:14
Speaker 1: I was reading a quote from a guy like the
1:22:18
Speaker 1: part of the reluctance of regulating bottom trawling or outright
1:22:21
Speaker 1: banning bottom trawling, as people are like, yes, these fisheries
1:22:24
Speaker 1: are imperiled and collapsing, but we don't know all the causes,
1:22:29
Speaker 1: and since we don't know all the causes, we shouldn't
1:22:32
Speaker 1: address any of the causes. And I was reading this
1:22:35
Speaker 1: guy's comment. He's like, let's say you got a little
1:22:36
Speaker 1: kid and he's got five McNuggets, and also then he's
1:22:38
Speaker 1: got no McNuggets left. He gets five a day, but
1:22:41
Speaker 1: there's none. He learns that someone's throwing two in the garbage.
1:22:45
Speaker 1: He doesn't know where the other three are going, but
1:22:47
Speaker 1: there's two going in the garbage. Should he be like well,
1:22:50
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold off on talking to the guy that's
1:22:52
Speaker 1: throwing two in the trash while I figure out what's
1:22:55
Speaker 1: happening to the other three. Or do you go like, okay, immediately,
1:22:59
Speaker 1: let's not the two in the tu and then we'll
1:23:03
Speaker 1: find out more about these other three. But that's the
1:23:07
Speaker 1: logic they have. So if you read about this online,
1:23:10
Speaker 1: you'll find these like pro bottom trawling op eds, which
1:23:15
Speaker 1: are from the industry. They have their own lobbying wing,
1:23:18
Speaker 1: and they do the classic thing where they're like, it's
1:23:20
Speaker 1: out of state billionaires, out of state billionaires pushing to
1:23:25
Speaker 1: ban bottom trawling. But the bottom trolling industry is buy
1:23:29
Speaker 1: and large from Seattle. The five thousand letters that went
1:23:33
Speaker 1: into Nick Beggars were Alaskans. The people that bitch to
1:23:37
Speaker 1: me about it, I don't know how to staterors that
1:23:40
Speaker 1: know about this. The people that come to me and
1:23:43
Speaker 1: talk to me about the bottom trolling problem are commercial fishermen, longliners,
1:23:47
Speaker 1: charter captains in Alaska talking to me about the bottom
1:23:51
Speaker 1: trawlling problem. I'm not hearing it from out of state billionaires.
1:23:55
Speaker 8: Yep.
1:23:55
Speaker 7: American seafoods is one of the biggest bottom trawlling companies,
1:23:58
Speaker 7: they're out of Seattle.
1:24:00
Speaker 1: But it's this classic oh yeah, he's out of touch billionaires.
1:24:03
Speaker 1: It's like, are you telling me there's a bunch of
1:24:05
Speaker 1: out of touch billionaires talking about bottom trawling and.
1:24:08
Speaker 12: What would be their game?
1:24:10
Speaker 1: They wouldn't know, right, I'm sure they talk about pandas
1:24:14
Speaker 1: and stuff. But then I've talked about this anyhow, that's
1:24:19
Speaker 1: a great I do think if I had to crystal
1:24:24
Speaker 1: ball this, if I had to, and it's like, it's like,
1:24:29
Speaker 1: I respect it. The people that want to keep that
1:24:33
Speaker 1: fishery going. They're defending their jobs, they're defending their livelihoods,
1:24:36
Speaker 1: they're defending their industry, they're defending their family. I understand it,
1:24:39
Speaker 1: but you are just we are seeing culture that we
1:24:43
Speaker 1: are seeing that these fisheries are in decline. They're going down.
1:24:48
Speaker 1: It doesn't look good. If I crystal ball it, I
1:24:51
Speaker 1: think that this is going to wind up being When
1:24:53
Speaker 1: I crystal ball it, I think in years coming, this
1:24:56
Speaker 1: is going to wind up being more regulated and and
1:25:00
Speaker 1: potentially phased out.
1:25:02
Speaker 7: Yeah, because I mean, right now, it's just like it's
1:25:04
Speaker 7: not even that they're killing other commercial fishermen. It's not
1:25:08
Speaker 7: like a sport fisher that's.
1:25:10
Speaker 1: Why Crystal balet the way I am. Yeah, I'm Crystal
1:25:13
Speaker 1: Balt who I am? Because this has become divisive within
1:25:16
Speaker 1: the commercial industry. So it's not the commercial industry coalescing,
1:25:21
Speaker 1: right and like in defending their own, it's other people. Yeah,
1:25:25
Speaker 1: the pot industry, not the pot like weed, but like
1:25:27
Speaker 1: pot fishery industry industry. They're like, dude, you're making a problem,
1:25:33
Speaker 1: you know? Or do you Spencer?
1:25:38
Speaker 3: The Master's Golf Tournament GE's off very soon. It'll be
1:25:42
Speaker 3: in Augusta, Georgia on April ninth. It's the most prestigious
1:25:46
Speaker 3: golf tournament in the world. On the line is a
1:25:49
Speaker 3: four point two million dollars prize, the green jacket, and
1:25:53
Speaker 3: honorary membership at Augusta National Golf Club, and the winner
1:25:57
Speaker 3: gets to pick the menu for the Masters Champions Dinner
1:26:01
Speaker 3: the following year. Back up, Yeah, they win a membership,
1:26:06
Speaker 3: an honorary membership. It's the hardest golf course to be
1:26:08
Speaker 3: a member at by the world.
1:26:10
Speaker 1: But I would think those dudes that all be members.
1:26:12
Speaker 3: No, that's it's not good enough to just be rich
1:26:14
Speaker 3: and good at golf.
1:26:15
Speaker 1: To be a member that takes more than that. Even yeah,
1:26:19
Speaker 1: some one of the rarest things in life that takes.
1:26:21
Speaker 4: More than that, Like the second major time we're ever
1:26:24
Speaker 4: going to be covering golf on this show.
1:26:26
Speaker 1: Oh, Brian Harmon wins this year, we're go on.
1:26:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that that happens April ninth, and the winner
1:26:32
Speaker 3: gets to pick the menu for the Masters Champions Dinner
1:26:35
Speaker 3: the following year. The Masters Champions Dinner, it's an exclusive
1:26:39
Speaker 3: meal for past winners and the club chairman. Yeah, it's
1:26:42
Speaker 3: the oldest, whitest group you've ever seen.
1:26:46
Speaker 4: You watching on YouTube, get the pleasure of this very stunning.
1:26:51
Speaker 3: This photo was from a year when Tiger did not
1:26:53
Speaker 3: attend because of one of his injuries. So it's it's
1:26:56
Speaker 3: for past winners and the club chairman. About thirty some
1:26:59
Speaker 3: people will attend.
1:27:00
Speaker 1: This racist comment about Tiger Woods when Tiger Woods won
1:27:04
Speaker 1: the Masters, I think.
1:27:05
Speaker 3: There were many dude too made comments.
1:27:07
Speaker 1: Yeah about this. It was about the dinner.
1:27:09
Speaker 3: Oh, we'll get to that later on.
1:27:11
Speaker 5: Here.
1:27:12
Speaker 3: About thirty people attend this dinner each year. Not only
1:27:15
Speaker 3: does the previous winner set the menu, but he also
1:27:17
Speaker 3: pays for it, so you're you're footing the bill.
1:27:19
Speaker 8: Pick.
1:27:21
Speaker 3: Rory McElroy, he won the Masters in twenty twenty five,
1:27:24
Speaker 3: and his menu for this year was just announced. For
1:27:26
Speaker 3: the main course, you get to choose between a filet
1:27:29
Speaker 3: mignon and the seared salmon. The first course is yellow
1:27:33
Speaker 3: fin tunic carpaccio with faugras, and for appetizers, he has
1:27:38
Speaker 3: peach and ricotta, flatbread, bacon wrapped dates, which were inspired
1:27:42
Speaker 3: by his mom's recipe, rock shrimp tempura, and grilled elk sliders.
1:27:48
Speaker 3: Those grilled elk sliders will have caramelized onion jam with
1:27:52
Speaker 3: roasted garlic aoli. And although that last choice, yeah, yeah,
1:27:57
Speaker 3: it surprised people. This has been covered by the Today's Show,
1:28:00
Speaker 3: It's been covered by BBC. It's every year leading up
1:28:03
Speaker 3: to the Masters, there's like a handful of storylines that emerge,
1:28:06
Speaker 3: and this this is one of them.
1:28:08
Speaker 7: You mean, when you say it's been covered, it's like
1:28:10
Speaker 7: they're picking the elk thing out of They're.
1:28:13
Speaker 3: Like, you won't believe what Rory McElroy is serving it
1:28:16
Speaker 3: this Year's Master's Dinner.
1:28:17
Speaker 1: But I heard that you think it's cool.
1:28:20
Speaker 3: I think it's of interest to hear you thought it
1:28:22
Speaker 3: was cool. Yeah, I think it's cool. I think the
1:28:24
Speaker 3: Masters are cool.
1:28:25
Speaker 1: I think Rory is cool.
1:28:26
Speaker 3: I think it's cool that he picked wild game, but
1:28:28
Speaker 3: it was interesting that that he picked venison. I shouldn't
1:28:31
Speaker 3: say wild game. That he picked vedicon.
1:28:34
Speaker 1: It's a farm animal.
1:28:35
Speaker 3: I understand that.
1:28:36
Speaker 1: I heard he said that wild game propelled him to victory.
1:28:40
Speaker 1: He is if I hung out in brothels, if I
1:28:42
Speaker 1: hung out in cathouses and I won the championship, But
1:28:46
Speaker 1: I'd be like love.
1:28:52
Speaker 3: His quote.
1:28:52
Speaker 7: Wait, wait, like thousands of hunters, let's let's milk the
1:28:56
Speaker 7: man eat thousands of pounds of Wow.
1:28:59
Speaker 1: Here show I've only been here to share my.
1:29:04
Speaker 7: Real wild game, and this guy is like, wild game
1:29:07
Speaker 7: fueled my run to the master.
1:29:11
Speaker 1: Of course man.
1:29:12
Speaker 3: But if one of the biggest sporting events in the
1:29:15
Speaker 3: world has headlines dealing with venison, that's not of interest.
1:29:18
Speaker 1: So that's not making it's interest. But I don't like it.
1:29:20
Speaker 7: That's not making wild elk or the places wild elk
1:29:24
Speaker 7: live more valuable.
1:29:25
Speaker 1: It's farm animals.
1:29:26
Speaker 3: It's still a headline. I don't I don't understand you're.
1:29:29
Speaker 1: Talking about different things. I heard that you thought it
1:29:31
Speaker 1: was cool.
1:29:32
Speaker 3: I think Rory's cool. I think cool. I think it's
1:29:35
Speaker 3: cool that he picked venice, it.
1:29:36
Speaker 1: Can still be news that he thought it was dumb.
1:29:38
Speaker 3: Sure do you got more news? Oh yeah, I got
1:29:41
Speaker 3: a lot of.
1:29:43
Speaker 8: Week I just said it was interesting.
1:29:47
Speaker 3: Rory said he knew that he was putting venison on
1:29:49
Speaker 3: the menu as soon as he won. Last May, he
1:29:51
Speaker 3: did an interview with the Today Show. They asked him
1:29:53
Speaker 3: what he thought he'd be serving at the twenty twenty
1:29:55
Speaker 3: six dinner. This was this quote that you guys have
1:29:57
Speaker 3: been referring to.
1:29:58
Speaker 1: Quote.
1:29:58
Speaker 3: I've been into wild game recently, so venison, elk, stuff
1:30:01
Speaker 3: like that. That sort of stuff fueled this run, is
1:30:04
Speaker 3: what he says. To make the champion. Now fast forward
1:30:08
Speaker 3: to this year, he did put venison on the menu.
1:30:10
Speaker 3: He said he considered making it the main course, but
1:30:12
Speaker 3: decided to make it an appetizer instead because he worried
1:30:15
Speaker 3: that not everyone loves venison as much as him.
1:30:20
Speaker 1: Huh, where American from Ireland? Is he maybe gonna be
1:30:25
Speaker 1: serving up their red deer from over there?
1:30:28
Speaker 12: It wasn't.
1:30:29
Speaker 3: I would assume it's it's like New Zealand, you know
1:30:32
Speaker 3: venison that was raised.
1:30:33
Speaker 8: Behind a face.
1:30:33
Speaker 1: Well, why did you write down elk because.
1:30:35
Speaker 3: It says elk.
1:30:39
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't make that.
1:30:41
Speaker 3: It's it's not the first time elk has been on
1:30:43
Speaker 3: the menu, specially in two thousand and four, Mike Weir,
1:30:51
Speaker 3: the only Canadian to ever win the Masters, got to
1:30:53
Speaker 3: pick the dinner. He served elk, wild boar, sakey salmon,
1:30:57
Speaker 3: an Arctic char and while Rory has a big list
1:31:00
Speaker 3: of hand picked wines on the menu, this year, Mike
1:31:02
Speaker 3: we Are only did Canadian beers with with his wild.
1:31:06
Speaker 2: That guy might have been using the real stuff.
1:31:09
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because he was cleaning up guys is eating
1:31:13
Speaker 1: their thirty thirty.
1:31:14
Speaker 2: If you're just making some Canadian he.
1:31:16
Speaker 1: Could get some real you know what, We'll send it.
1:31:18
Speaker 1: He's listening. I'll send you the ol Me.
1:31:21
Speaker 3: We'll give you the wild game for the next enough
1:31:23
Speaker 3: harm just send.
1:31:25
Speaker 1: Us Brian, Brian Harmon. Brian Harmon will give you all
1:31:28
Speaker 1: the venison you want, real meat, real outdoor wild meat.
1:31:32
Speaker 3: Wouldn't take that out.
1:31:33
Speaker 1: Brian Harmon beats. This guy's button is Brian Harmon, and
1:31:36
Speaker 1: this golf tur will be there.
1:31:37
Speaker 2: That's right.
1:31:38
Speaker 1: I hope you win. And then next year when they
1:31:41
Speaker 1: come out with the menu, it's going to say real.
1:31:45
Speaker 8: Slider.
1:31:46
Speaker 3: This dinner has been a tradition since the nineteen fifties.
1:31:49
Speaker 3: Here's some of the most notable things ever put on
1:31:51
Speaker 3: the menu. Nineteen ninety eight, a twenty one year old
1:31:54
Speaker 3: Tiger Woods was setting the menu after his first Masters win.
1:31:57
Speaker 3: He was the youngest champion ever. He served cheese bers,
1:32:00
Speaker 3: chicken sandwiches, French fries, and milkshakes. He was ridiculed for
1:32:04
Speaker 3: his choice, and the next time he won, in two
1:32:06
Speaker 3: thousand and two, he instead served a porterhouse steak and sushi.
1:32:10
Speaker 3: When reflecting on God. When reflecting on his nineteen ninety
1:32:14
Speaker 3: eight menu, Tiger said, quote, I just went with what
1:32:16
Speaker 3: I like. It wasn't trying. I wasn't trying to be
1:32:19
Speaker 3: fancy or anything like that. Nineteen eighty nine, Scottish golfer
1:32:23
Speaker 3: Sandy Lyle was setting the menu. He horrified his peers
1:32:26
Speaker 3: by choosing hagis. If you're not familiar with that's a
1:32:30
Speaker 3: savory pudding made of sheep organs that's then cooked inside
1:32:34
Speaker 3: of a sheep's stomach. It was reportedly one of the
1:32:37
Speaker 3: most rejected items ever served at.
1:32:39
Speaker 1: The end, but I don't think allowed to do real
1:32:42
Speaker 1: hagas because that was that was served in August, so
1:32:46
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to have the lungion that I love.
1:32:48
Speaker 3: And then twenty twenty two, Hideki Matsuyama puts together the
1:32:52
Speaker 3: most expensive Masters Champions dinner ever. It was made to
1:32:57
Speaker 3: resemble a Michelin dining experience in Tokyo. The menu featured
1:33:01
Speaker 3: a full spread of sushi and sashimi for appetizers, Miso
1:33:05
Speaker 3: glazed black cod for the first course, a wagu ribbi
1:33:10
Speaker 3: for the main course in Japanese strawberry shortcake for dessert.
1:33:14
Speaker 3: The meals estimated cost two hundred twenty dollars per person,
1:33:17
Speaker 3: which is forty dollars more than the next most expensive
1:33:21
Speaker 3: man that dinner.
1:33:22
Speaker 6: That's it.
1:33:23
Speaker 1: I would think it'd be a lot more. Now, dude,
1:33:25
Speaker 1: I want to go to.
1:33:27
Speaker 2: Sucker.
1:33:28
Speaker 8: I'm having we're thinking in twenty twenty six menu pricing
1:33:31
Speaker 8: right in twenty twenty two, two hundred twenty.
1:33:33
Speaker 3: Dollars, I would say they're just sourcing the ingredients at
1:33:36
Speaker 3: that point, they're not paying the the white staff.
1:33:39
Speaker 1: And the chefs, right. And Brian Harmon wins.
1:33:43
Speaker 3: Dude, I went to the Masters a few years ago
1:33:46
Speaker 3: and Brian was walking and I had said I was
1:33:49
Speaker 3: explaining to the people I was with how he's a
1:33:50
Speaker 3: big turkey hunter, and I'm like, I'm gonna do a
1:33:53
Speaker 3: turkey call and see if he noticed this. He must
1:33:55
Speaker 3: have been one hundred yards away, so sure, a real no,
1:34:01
Speaker 3: just with my mouth, that's pretty good.
1:34:07
Speaker 1: Oh.
1:34:07
Speaker 3: He snapped his head around and looked, and he never identified.
1:34:10
Speaker 3: I don't think where that turkey call was coming from,
1:34:12
Speaker 3: but it was like it was a moment in his
1:34:14
Speaker 3: day walking around and he heard a turkey.
1:34:16
Speaker 8: Was that before or after he came on the podcast?
1:34:18
Speaker 3: That was afterwards?
1:34:23
Speaker 2: I could see there being some big gobblers around.
1:34:25
Speaker 3: No, no, the masters has some more around, Like there's
1:34:29
Speaker 3: not even birds there.
1:34:30
Speaker 8: You know you see a squirrel?
1:34:33
Speaker 3: Well yeah, it's just like that manicured every blade of
1:34:35
Speaker 3: grass is thought of.
1:34:36
Speaker 1: Do you remember there was that little scandal that they
1:34:39
Speaker 1: were pumping bird noises. They were pumping in bird noises
1:34:42
Speaker 1: and then some bird It was like home, that bird
1:34:44
Speaker 1: doesn't live around there, and they got bosses.
1:34:48
Speaker 3: He was watching on TV and he heard a bird
1:34:50
Speaker 3: that's not present in Kentucky or wherever they're going at.
1:34:54
Speaker 1: He's like, dude, that's that's that bird is not there,
1:34:56
Speaker 1: that's a fake bird noise.
1:34:58
Speaker 3: Cornel we have a Master's inspired recipe on the meat
1:35:02
Speaker 3: eater dot com. It's chef Lucas leafs fish sliders with
1:35:06
Speaker 3: Pimento cheese. Pimento cheese sandwich has been famously served at
1:35:10
Speaker 3: the Masters since the nineteen forties. So this is Lucas's
1:35:13
Speaker 3: take on that, which includes crappie and a slaw.
1:35:17
Speaker 1: That was a hell of report.
1:35:18
Speaker 15: Thank you.
1:35:19
Speaker 1: Cole's a doozy.
1:35:20
Speaker 3: I'm passionate.
1:35:22
Speaker 8: Really, I like the last I had to fight for
1:35:23
Speaker 8: it too, It's great.
1:35:25
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, I was fighting.
1:35:28
Speaker 1: That's what makes a good report. It gets there's there's
1:35:32
Speaker 1: channels that have mastered this thing. You know, like the
1:35:34
Speaker 1: news is all meant to make you mad, and that's
1:35:37
Speaker 1: Spencer's style. You know, he has news that makes you mad.
1:35:45
Speaker 8: Because just because you're really.
1:35:49
Speaker 1: Dude, that was a great news.
1:35:51
Speaker 16: You know.
1:35:52
Speaker 1: Holy sliders.
1:35:57
Speaker 3: Elk and Crappie sliders film both in.
1:36:00
Speaker 1: All right, everybody, thanks for joining see you next week.
1:36:03
Speaker 5: Oh we can get that out.
1:36:06
Speaker 2: Hang on, just he just ruined everything.
1:36:08
Speaker 1: Don't hang up just yet. We've been talking. We hope
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Speaker 1: you've heard about We've talked about our twelve and twenty
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Speaker 1: six video program. So twelve we're doing like every month
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Speaker 1: we got a big, you know, almost hour long premiere
1:36:25
Speaker 1: video coming out. It's called twelve and twenty six. So
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Speaker 1: if you're not too sharp, I'll help you explain it.
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Speaker 1: There are twelve months in twenty twenty six. Each of
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Speaker 1: those months will be allocated a premiere long form video project.
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Speaker 5: This month's.
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Speaker 1: Is Clay Newcomb's Utah Mountain Lion Hunt. Also Bear. Tell
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Speaker 1: them about bear Grease YouTube?
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Speaker 15: Yeah, well we started, uh well, we jump started a
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Speaker 15: YouTube channel. It's now the Bear Grease YouTube channel. I've
1:36:58
Speaker 15: been running it for out a month now, a little
1:37:01
Speaker 15: over a month, and we've got a little bit of
1:37:02
Speaker 15: a different style content than what you're seeing stuff from
1:37:06
Speaker 15: Meat Eater.
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Speaker 1: Yeah you could call it that, you know, it's funny,
1:37:10
Speaker 1: real low browse I did.
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Speaker 15: I did a video on on falconry and the Falconers
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Speaker 15: that I went with. They were like, when is Steve
1:37:18
Speaker 15: going to cover falconry because yeah, I know all about this.
1:37:23
Speaker 15: So anyway, that's what I mean, different style content.
1:37:27
Speaker 1: That's that's dungeons and dragons.
1:37:30
Speaker 15: I've spent a little bit of time around falconers last year,
1:37:33
Speaker 15: and I see what you mean.
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Speaker 1: The D and D types or the like they were legit. Okay,
1:37:41
Speaker 1: well no, I'm not saying you're illegitimate if you're D
1:37:43
Speaker 1: and D. It's just different.
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Speaker 15: Pathways, right right, Well they were, they're like woodsmen, I'll
1:37:49
Speaker 15: put it, like their woodsmen. Yeah, but I say, I
1:37:51
Speaker 15: mean like like D and D right sixty of falconers
1:37:56
Speaker 15: or I would say exactly like that.
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Speaker 1: Did you mention that scientifically?
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Speaker 6: No, just kind of observing.
1:38:03
Speaker 15: But anyway, we've got that's cool. Yeah, and uh yeah,
1:38:10
Speaker 15: so we've we've got the YouTube channel going. We've got
1:38:14
Speaker 15: a video coming on Friday. So by the time this
1:38:18
Speaker 15: says that'll be tomorrow, there's a video coming tomorrow where
1:38:21
Speaker 15: we hog hunt with Dale Brisbee and.
1:38:23
Speaker 1: Evan Felker, mules and horses. Did you go on it?
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Speaker 6: Yeah?
1:38:27
Speaker 1: Have fun. Oh yeah's a good guy.
1:38:28
Speaker 6: Yeah he is, he is. But anyway, bear grease YouTube
1:38:32
Speaker 6: channel go check it out.
1:38:34
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks guys, see you next week.
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Speaker 16: would never stop stream, thought I would never stop stream.
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Speaker 15: Your name.
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Speaker 17: But I ran out of breath, so I to again
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Speaker 17: some more, and I started screaming loud.
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Speaker 5: Name.
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Speaker 12: So if you.
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Speaker 2: Love this ferver.
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Speaker 16: That'll probably be screaming.
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Speaker 8: Let love.
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Speaker 11: I'm trying to be cool here
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