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#126 - Is Hope Essential to Being Human? | My Disagreement with Brian Cox · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  Do you need hope to be a human?
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  I don't know if you exactly do in the way that I'm going to discuss it today.
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  I have a disagreement with Brian Cox, and that might put me in unsafe territory
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  because Brian Cox is brilliant.
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  He's a genius.
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  He knows so much about everything, it seems like.
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  Quantum mechanics, quantum theory, quantum computing, everything.
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  He is a very smart person, but this is something I disagree with him about.
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  And this is a conversation that he had with Joe. This was back last October in 2024.
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  So I can already tell the viewpoints of Joe seem to be a little bit different
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  just watching that video compared to where he's at at this point.
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  But we're going to get into all of this and discussing what it means to be human
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  and is hope and necessity.
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  My name is Brandon Fogel. This is Evolution. Let's dive into this.
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  So in this sit down that these two men had together, they talked about a number
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  of different things, but where we are going as a human species and with AI on
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  the horizon, it's really not on the horizons now.
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  It's like in our face, we see it and where we headed.
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  Like sky is the limit. But as we get closer and closer to almost maximum human
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  intelligence, knowing everything, if we knew everything, would that be,
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  would there be any more reason to get out of bed when you wake up?
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  When you talk, when Brian starts discussing this, it seems like,
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  and he has in view, and it gets a little bit later into the sit down,
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  that when he's talking about hope, he's talking about hope.
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  Can I look out on the horizon and there's still more to conquer?
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  There's still more to learn.
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  Let's hear what exactly he says when they start touching on this topic.
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  It's very enlightening.
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  So if you remove that, if you remove any sense of not knowing what the future
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  will be, you do remove hope as well as fear.
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  So you could argue that some of the best, the essence of being human,
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  some of the things that we value the most. and make us most valuable in the universe in this sense.
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  Some of those things come from incomplete knowledge.
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  I mean, surely hope does. How could you have hope and excitement about what's
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  going to happen tomorrow if you know what's going to happen tomorrow?
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  But don't you think that that just motivates improvement?
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  That all that hope just motivates you to do better and get better?
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  And don't you think that might be a feature of a biological organism?
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  It's like you said when you're growing up, you said like when you're in high
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  school or when you're young, Christmas, for example.
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  Right. You know when you're at Christmas Eve? Yeah. Like, what am I going to get tomorrow?
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  Yeah. It's one of the most wonderful feelings, isn't it? One of the most wonderful.
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  Like, ah, you're in your presence. That's incredible.
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  None of that would exist if you were one of these super beings.
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  So I think maybe one of those most vital components. It's just for us that it appears magical.
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  When you're comparing that to black holes colliding, like, is it really so important
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  what you got for Christmas?
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  Well, it's. Okay. So that right there, I'm going to take it a little different
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  way than Brian is speaking about it. And I'm talking about in hope.
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  I don't think hope is a necessity because I don't believe hope is eternal.
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  And there is, there's a reason I, because I, I, I agree with the Bible and the
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  Bible does not present that hope and faith are going to last forever.
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  I'm going to read a passage from 1 Corinthians, the Apostle Paul in chapter
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  13. He says, For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect
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  comes, the partial will pass away.
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  When I was a child, I spoke like a child. I thought like a child. I reasoned like a child.
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  When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.
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  For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face.
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  Now I know in part, then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
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  So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three, but the greatest of these is love.
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  This is a different interpretation maybe than most people. Most people don't
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  take this from this when they hear that passage.
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  When Paul says, now faith, hope, and love abide, these three,
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  but the greatest of these is love, I would argue that the only thing that is
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  going to last into the, I mean, not the only thing, but one of the things of these two,
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  these three topics is going to last is love.
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  Love is going to, it stretches from before time began and until,
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  you know, the end of forever, you know, but faith and hope, you don't,
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  we won't need faith in heaven and we won't need hope in heaven.
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  We won't need to be looking forward to anything in the future because we will
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  have everything we need, but that's not to say that we will know everything.
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  I don't think finite creatures will ever be able to know everything.
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  And when we think about God, this is like on an infinite different level than we are at right now.
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  It's trying to explain something like, think of a small bacterial creature or
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  even an ant, and you were trying to explain to it what the internet is or what an airplane is.
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  And you even got into the ant's language and you started speaking about it,
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  it would have no concept at all of what you were talking about.
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  Even if you were making sense to it in its small, lower understanding,
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  and you were clearly communicating, it would still not be able to grasp.
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  Like talking about an airplane to an ant, he would have no frame of reference
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  to even make sense of what you're speaking of and take that to a much greater degree with God.
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  If we're talking about talking to God in the future and in heaven,
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  what we can even understand of what it will be like, what life will,
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  what existence will be like, it will not, it has no comparison really to this life.
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  And we were not, we're not going to be able to see what it will be like,
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  We're not going to be able to reach into it in the future right now that we have it.
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  That beatific vision of seeing God face to face.
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  And this is what is different because the Christian operates on faith.
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  And in this, we take the Bible for what it is and we try to extrapolate it as much as we can possible.
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  But it's still, it's a different language. It's a heavenly language.
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  But when Brian talks about this and because it seems like he gets defeated and
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  I hear this all the time from people that don't believe in heaven or even would
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  want to go there because they seem it sounds like it would be so boring when
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  it I don't know how it's not going to be boring,
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  but I it doesn't seem like it is.
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  And if this lower life can have such awesome beauty and grandeur and amazing
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  things that we experience,
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  how much more when we are fully developed, when we are fully who we were made
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  to be, how much more at that time?
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  And just because we won't know anything ever, we won't have the possibility
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  of knowing anything ever. I still think we're going to be learning.
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  This does go against like kind of a little bit what Paul says,
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  we shall know fully even as I have been fully known.
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  I don't think that you can make that say that that is omniscience.
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  We will not know everything, but we will know everything possible that we could
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  know as humans, but we're still going to grow in our relationship with God.
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  It's not going to be static.
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  It's not going to be stagnant. It's not going to just sit there and we're just,
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  when's this going to be over?
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  When's this church service going to be over? I'm tired of praising and worshiping
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  God. We have no idea of how awesome God is.
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  You think of the most beautiful, amazing thing in this created realm.
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  I mean, I just think of looking at an awesome fire. And it's so fun to look
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  at a fire, you know, a controlled fire and all that, you know. God is a consuming fire.
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  God is, and how much that, but he's also a personal, he doesn't have a form,
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  you know. You could say the son of God, Jesus has, he has a human form now because
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  he took on humanity, but God, it says he's invisible.
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  He dwells in unapproachable light.
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  We couldn't even gaze at him for more than a second, you know,
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  but it's going to be, I just get
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  fired up when I think of God and that relationship that we are headed to.
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  Because it will put all of this
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  here in the best, the best moments in this life. It'll put it to shame.
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  We won't even think about it. It's not to say that we won't have a remembrance of this life.
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  I've heard before that I was overseas at one time.
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  And I remember saying, talking to somebody and like, how will we not remember
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  what life was like when we, when we're in heaven? How will we not remember what was going on there?
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  And the person told me it would be the same as we're over here in Africa.
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  It would be the same, like, are you worried about, are you thinking about your
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  gas, your car back home, having a low gas tank, your, your, your gas in your car is a little bit low.
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  It's all, it's close to empty, but it's back in America.
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  You would have, you might remember that it might be something that you could
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  pull from and like, but you're not going to be thinking about it.
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  You're not going to be worried about you're in the here and now you'll have
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  a remembrance of those events taking place. but it's like you got God front and center of you.
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  You are actually living in perfect communion with your creator.
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  This might sound like all pie in the sky, all nonsense, but it's what's going
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  to unfold and it's what's going to be the reality that we're all going to eventually experience.
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  It's something that we can take heart in. We don't have to dread going to heaven
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  because then everything's going to be, we're going to know everything at that
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  point. And man, it's going to be boring.
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  It'll be the opposite of boring.
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  We will know fully. We will know. There's so many things about my life that
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  I already wish I understood fully. Why did that have to happen?
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  Why did I have to go through that? And God is, he's the one orchestrating all the events in your life.
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  He's, he's, the promise is in Christ, he will make everything that's happened
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  to you turn out for your good.
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  Everything. That is a strong promise, but it's a, an awesome promise and that
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  it is a reliable promise. It is true.
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  And a lot of these things that we just, we see the here and now, we don't see the future.
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  We don't know what's actually gonna, what is how everything's gonna turn out.
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  We don't, we have the expectation of it, but we don't know what it's all gonna look like.
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  But it's going to exceed even our most hyper best expectations. It's gonna be awesome.
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  So this is something I would disagree slightly with Brian because,
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  and I don't know his full background and like what he believes about God and everything.
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  But in this context of talking about hope, I don't think we necessarily need
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  to have hope to things be amazing because we won't have hope in heaven.
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  There's not going to be something that we're hoping for anymore or something
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  that we're just expecting to happen in the future.
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  We will have arrived at that point, you know, but love will exist forever.
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  And that is the amazing gift that we will always have and be able to live in
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  with God and Christ. All right.
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