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Superbowl 58 Recap · Banter with the Boys

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Get laced up.
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It's time for Bantor with the Boys.
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What's up everybody?
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Welcome back to Bantor with the Boys.
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The Super Bowl has come, the Super Bowl has gone.
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What a game it was.
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As always, got my main man Smelty with me today.
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How we doing?
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How we feeling?
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I mean to be honest, I'm feeling pretty positive because I didn't end up getting selected for
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this five to seven day jury trial yesterday.
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I'm in my jury duty window or whatever.
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So pretty glad I don't have to work, it's kind of picking up.
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So glad I don't have to miss that for a bit.
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Yeah, that's good.
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Dude, jury duty does not sound like a good time.
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Dude, that's a nice juicy case, you know.
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He reminded me of like, and don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming to be a veteran.
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I was only in the military for 30 days.
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So like it kind of reminds me of like the military's like, hurry up and wait, dude.
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It was like, let's get over here.
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And then you just sat, dude, it was my first time for jury duty.
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But man, is it boring?
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Yeah, I can imagine unless you're probably like actually on a trial or something, you
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know.
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Yeah, but even still like they're just sitting there and deliberating for hours.
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Man, but let's get back to what we're here to talk about.
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We have Super Bowl 58.
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What a game it was.
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As we all know, Kansas City came into this game as a two and a half point underdog.
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And they won the game.
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Game went to overtime.
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It was such a good just hard fought game defensive battle in the first half.
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Then the offense has started opening up a little bit.
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And what a game we had, man.
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What are your just initial like reactions to the game itself?
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I mean, I'm not surprised would be my initial reaction.
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Like it went exactly kind of how I don't know.
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I thought I mean, there's a couple things, obviously, that'll stick out that are more
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surprising as others like McCaffrey fumble like, whoa, that usually is not not a thing
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this season, at least, you know, like that was that was momentum changer.
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But Mahomes doing what he does.
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I mean, that's not surprising.
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The pick.
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What was it?
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It said something like it was his first interception in like two hundred and twenty or forty some
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throws in the playoffs specifically like.
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Wow.
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It was just an insane number.
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Yeah, it was it was absurd.
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And I mean, we saw I would say we didn't really see anything bad from Brock Purdy.
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So like, I don't know, the game really went as I thought it was more defensive than I
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thought.
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I would say that I thought it would be a little bit more fireworky if that's a word, you know,
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offensively.
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Yeah, I would agree.
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I really do think it was it would have been as well, you know, more defense than I thought.
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But at the end of the day, you had two of the top defenses in the league in the Super
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Bowl.
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So but you also had to, you know, hottest and best offenses.
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Now, the Chiefs offense in the regular season.
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I'd say that's a good time for it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So but I'm just glad we got a close hard fought game.
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You know, a lot of people are complaining that the first half wasn't exciting, but that's
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because you don't like true football.
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Yeah, I was just about to say, obviously, you don't like the game of football.
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You don't watch football.
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You know, that that was that first half was just an insane defensive battle.
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They had each other's number early on on the defensive side of the ball.
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Like they could nobody could really do much.
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I mean, yes, and Fran was up 10-3, but it still wasn't they didn't feel in control of
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the game at that point.
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No, no, they sure didn't.
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And this game was like is going to be was going to be one and ended up being won by,
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you know, halftime adjustments.
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So it's and the whole thing was like people are aren't excited about good old fashioned
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football is I think it was so much sports betting out there now.
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People have these parlays.
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They need this guy to hit the over whatever, whatever, whatever it is that it just kind
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of like it it kind of blinds watching the game to a certain degree and just enjoying
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the game of football.
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Right.
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You know, that's it's one thing that in Minnesota with it out being we're with it not being
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legal.
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You know, it's like you don't get that temptation and, you know, you just get to sit there and
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enjoy the game of football.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, no, for real.
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And that that was what it was.
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It gave us a nice classic game.
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And yet too much of people's dismay that we're looking for those parlays.
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So we've already talked defensively how how great it was.
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We've touched offensively.
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I'm sure there's more to be had there.
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But what about these kickers, dude?
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These kickers played a crucial role in the game.
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And I'm not saying we should sit here and debate for 30 minutes about kickers, you know,
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but like that just goes.
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They needed everybody.
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The punters to do the first half punts.
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Brian, you're saying I was actually getting like I can't believe I'm about to say this,
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but I was like getting amped for the punts.
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I was like, dude, wow.
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And like, Kev actually are our resident non football knowledge in general.
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Not saying that we have all the knowledge, but non football knowledge in general was
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getting so confused why they weren't calling for a fair catch or just letting it go into
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the end zone, at least or attempt to let it go at the five.
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You know, yeah, that was insane to me that I get it.
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You're in the Super Bowl.
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You want to make that play.
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You look at Cadarius Tony last year.
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You know, it can change the game.
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But like you're also putting it putting yourself and your team at risk.
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And it's got to be what it is, an adrenaline thing or whatever.
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So you're not quite thinking like, no, I'm I'm going to do something about this game
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right here right now and then either get cracked or, you know, whatever it may be.
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But that like once you start pointing that out, I was like, dude, they are literally
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on every punt.
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Nobody's fair catching this ball, dude.
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Like it is all gas.
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No breaks right.
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Yeah, it was insane.
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It was insane.
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And you know what's crazy?
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I didn't even notice this, but I just looked at it.
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Both punters had five punts for two hundred and fifty four yards, which is an average
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of 50.8.
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That's insane.
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That is wild.
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That is just a special teams game.
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I mean, you're watching now ski three inside the 20 and for Townsend to inside the 20.
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I mean, that's a long 62.
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But that first half was nuts.
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Defensively so fun.
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Special teams.
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You saw the two field goals like special teams played a big role.
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And that's why, like when some players like, no, I'm above special teams.
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No, dude, it could make the difference.
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And we saw it in this game.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you have seven field goals.
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All seven were made.
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And like it was the special teams won this game.
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I mean, they kept both teams in the game, but in the end of the day, you know, with
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the chiefs, well, I guess they scored a touchdown.
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But you had the two longest kicks of all time in a Super Bowl in this game.
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It was broken by Moody and then Buckeye broke it.
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And it was fifty five and fifty seven yards.
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They weren't, you know, those are bombs.
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And then what turned out being a very, very costly play is that Jake Moody blocked extra
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point.
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I mean, it yes.
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Yes, it does.
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At that moment in time.
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Yes, for sure.
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It changes what Kansas City has to do to get that field goal to get it to overtime, too.
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And then let's talk about the overtime.
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That was that was pretty wild.
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So let's just like go back through it.
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The Niners won the toss, right?
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They elected to receive.
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No, yes, yes, they did.
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They elected to receive but ended up having to kick a field goal.
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Yep.
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And then the chiefs go down and then score the touchdown.
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Do they kick field?
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I can't remember.
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Scored.
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They did score the touchdown.
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OK, yeah.
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So everybody's like freaking out the Niners because they should have kicked first or
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chose to kick.
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How do you feel about that?
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I don't know.
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I mean, it's a it's a whole new strategy because it's new rules.
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Thank you, Josh Allen.
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But it's just what do you what do you do?
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So Shanahan's Shanahan's thought was they like they get a score third.
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So the third possession, if both teams score.
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Next score wins.
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So it's sudden death as soon as both if both teams were to go down and kick both kick a
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field goal or both kick a touchdown.
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Right.
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But just yeah, just to clarify, for the first drive, it is touchdown.
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Like if the Niners scored a touchdown, the chiefs still would have had a chance to go
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score a touchdown.
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Correct.
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Right.
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Correct.
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So it all depends on what strategy you want to be with.
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Like Shanahan's reasoning makes sense because you turn it in.
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He come out to say so he came out and said that he wanted the ball third.
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Oh, yeah.
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You said that.
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Yeah.
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So he wanted the ball third.
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So I mean, it makes sense to a certain degree.
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But at the same time, like Andy Reid and like some of the chiefs have come out and said
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they've been talking about this strategy for a very long time for a while.
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They had a whole presentation in front of them about overtime, whereas some of the Niner
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players never really didn't know that there are any changes about some of these rules.
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That's insane.
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For one, like that's absolutely insane that that's not brought to attention.
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You as a player should realize that for one.
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But two, it has to as an organization, you have to make that a focal point.
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You would think it would at least at least come up before the Super Bowl.
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Exactly.
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You're going over every single scenario.
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I would imagine we're not in the NFL war rooms.
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Blah, blah, blah.
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You know, prior to the games, but like their lead up to the games.
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So like you would think that would come up as a point, a topic, something to mention,
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you know?
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Yeah, it's one would think it would be discussed.
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And then Andy Reid.
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So it was like I guess this hasn't been necessarily confirmed, but a couple of the chiefs have
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come out and said that if the Niners would have scored a touchdown, if the chiefs would
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have scored, they would have gone for two.
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Oh, I did hear that.
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I heard a rumbling of that, which is another point to think about.
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Like if you have all the momentum anyway, you just tied it up, why not just end the
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thing?
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That's what I so if I'm a coach, if I'm a coach, that's what I'm doing.
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I'm getting the ball second because I know it's not sudden death.
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Sure.
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Right.
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Getting the ball second.
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And then I would be going for two in that case.
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Sure.
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So you're not in the mindset of Shanahan then?
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No.
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You don't like the idea of which I guess I you know, if they want to go for two, yeah,
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then it's just over.
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Either way.
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Exactly.
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Either way.
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I can respect Shanahan's reasoning, though, the whole like I get it third, no matter what,
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if they score.
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Well, not no matter what.
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Obviously, if there's a two point conversion made, then it's over.
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But there's a decent chance that you would get it depending on who that other coach on
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the other side of field is.
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If it's Dan Campbell, you might not get that chance to go back on offense.
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And it's like, I mean, at the same time, too.
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So like you get the ball first, let's say you go put it to the East Coast score a touchdown,
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put the hand put all the pressures on on the defense and you have a pretty good defense.
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That's where like all these scenarios matter.
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And it's about all this, though, before the going into it.
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You have a game plan.
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Maybe since they didn't talk about OT, they're just like, uh, yeah, you know.
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Yeah, man.
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And they won the toss like it's wild.
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And I mean, at the end of the day, Niners go down, score a touchdown.
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You get the ball first, score a touchdown.
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So it's not like it's not that decision lost you the game.
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Who's to say if the Chiefs would have gone and scored a touchdown, you're going to match
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that touchdown.
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You know, so it's like it's all hearsay at this point.
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You know, we can talk about it after the fact.
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None of us will ever be in the situation to make that decision.
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And again, it's like, so if Shanahan gets the ball second, the Chiefs go down and score
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a touchdown.
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Shanahan loses.
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They don't score it.
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Like the Niners don't score a touchdown then.
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Like assuming then is he to blame for knocking the ball first?
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Right.
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It just always seems like there's always going to be something and it's always and it's always
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hindsight.
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And I think that's the role right now.
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Everybody's saying how much the Niners are choke artists and now because of the late
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leads they've given up in the Super Bowls.
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That's kind of I mean, I don't know, dude, he proves you every year, you know, producing
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a decent game.
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But like you keep letting it up late.
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Yeah, can't win the big game.
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Can't win the big game.
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But yeah, so let's get back to more, I guess, of the game itself.
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You know, we had some standout performances here, even with the score not as high as some
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people were to think.
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I mean, saying that we still had a 25-22 game.
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So that would be what you didn't feel like it was going to even get that high for a while.
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But I mean, you had Patty Mahomes going for three hundred and thirty three yards.
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I mean, that's not a surprise.
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Yeah, thirty four for thirty for forty six to, you know, the completion percentage was
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high.
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But you had a big 22 yard run late to put him, you know, in position to keep controlling
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the game at that point.
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Like Mahomes is just proven why he why he got the Super Bowl MVP again.
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Right.
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That's his third one in three Super Bowls.
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Yep.
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That's their third Super Bowl in five years.
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Was it or six?
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I want to lean towards six.
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No, either way, it's five.
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So the Rams have won one.
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The Bucks have lost one in the Rams.
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So who is one so to eat again, we're not good at math.
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But even so, they've now really like cemented themselves as a as a dynasty.
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You know, we've we were already talking about it.
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The Patriots have done it before.
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You see in other sports, you know, I don't know, the Chicago Blackhawks in hockey, they
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were a dynasty.
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You win so many championships within those couple of years.
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The Chicago Bulls, another dynasty, you know, the chiefs have now cemented themselves
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as being being that dynasty, that new, as I dare say, at the new Patriots of this this
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era right now, this decade we're in.
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Yeah, it's it's wild.
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They're 100 percent.
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I mean, so it is the last five years.
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So my home is so they three to five, been to four.
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Lost to Tom Brady.
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So it's like so what are you going to do about that?
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Right.
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But in the six seasons, he's been a starter.
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He's been in the AFC championship game every six years.
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Yeah.
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So I mean, you're in an AFC championship game the first six years of your career.
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You and there's doesn't appear to be stopping or slowing down in any way, shape or form,
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regardless of who's around him.
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How can you not put him in that?
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It's a discussion, right?
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He's not anywhere close to being there.
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Three versus seven, right?
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He's not even halfway there.
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No, but there's something to be said on where he is right now.
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Correct.
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He's on a trusset.
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And how old is Mahomes even?
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Is he like 28?
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I think he's 28.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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That's why I'm gravitating towards 20 high 20s.
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28.
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28.
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And then he's had a couple league MVPs to any at least two as well.
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I mean, he's just he's racking it up, dude.
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There's chances of a three pete.
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What are the chances is that defense coming back?
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All of them is Chris Jones coming back.
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Chris Jones.
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Do you I think Chris Jones has to debate how much are you going to chase the bag or how
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much are you going to want to stay with the Chiefs and continue your dynasty?
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He has three rings.
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What more does he has to prove as an individual player?
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If I'm him, I'm going to get paid.
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If you if you I would at least sign one more year.
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Try for that three pete.
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You have to.
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Yeah, I don't mean was.
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So let's look at Chris Jones as age.
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He's getting he's not a young pup anymore.
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I know he's not young.
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I know he's not young.
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He's 29.
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So but think of this, though.
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So let's say he has one more year.
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He doesn't produce at the level he produced this year.
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No, no, you're sure.
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And then he gets a maybe a two year deal at a half to three quarters.
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Somebody will sign him right now for a four year deal.
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Even three years.
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The Chiefs don't have that kind of money.
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But rumor has it that Mahomes is going to have restructured his contract to open up
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more camps, cap space, a la Tom Brady.
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I guess we have to see if he does that.
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Well, I mean, if you do that, you're just going to keep building championship teams.
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If you want, if that's your goal as Patrick Mahomes to catch Brady as a personal goal,
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maybe or whatever.
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And, you know, as more of a team oriented goal just to keep winning championships.
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Why not?
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I mean, exactly.
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Especially with like the amount of money he's making off the field and how he set up where
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oh, yeah, like you take a 10 million dollar pay cut per year.
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He's not.
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Yeah, he's losing 10 million because he's not going to get he's going to make the same
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off the field, whether he's going to get his NFL contract or not.
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But at the end of the day, how much money is too much money where you have to you put
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winning first and that little pay bump.
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Now I say little 10 million little, but it is for someone like Mahomes who has a half
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a billion dollar deal and has probably already made over 100 million off the field in his
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career.
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Well, and that's just it.
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The off the field stuff.
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Who's not going to want the three time Super Bowl MVP and the face?
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Not even arguably.
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He is the face of the NFL right now.
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Not even a question for any sort of endorsement.
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And on top of that, as long as you can afford them, because the line is going to be long
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to even get them in the door.
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100 percent.
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So like he can name his price to any of these big guys that he can name his price and they're
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going to pay that.
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Yeah, without even question.
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And on top of that wife, he's making money, too.
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Right, right.
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So that's why it's like it's it's a no brainer just to make in 10 million a year.
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No, but but at the end of the day, like he's Padma Holmes is 100 percent a family man first.
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Like nobody can question that.
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I mean, he's probably God first.
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I would only imagine.
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But at the end of the day, like he's going to put his family before anything.
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And like and at the same time, taking that Paca yet is that hurt your family's long run
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in a sense?
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Yeah, because that's a lot of money.
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And I'm only I'm assuming it's 10 mil.
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It's probably not that even five mil would probably do wonders in terms of restructuring
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of a cap.
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But at the end of the day, when when you're slated to make, I don't know, 40, 50 mil on
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the field, you go down to 38 and you're still making 10 to 20 off the field.
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Like you're doing you're set up.
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You're doing all right.
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You're doing all right.
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So it's like it's more of a like, why wouldn't you then?
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Just why wouldn't you?
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What's his argument for that other than trying to set up your family even more?
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But like you could definitely make the argument that if you, you know, do do with it right,
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that didn't make sense.
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If you if you use the money appropriately and put it move it appropriately, I don't
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know.
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I don't have millions, but like move it appropriately like you're going to set them up for life.
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Where are you at?
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Where are you at right now?
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Yeah, I mean, he could retire right now and they're not sweating for the rest of their
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lives.
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But, you know, it's going to be interesting.
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Chris Jones, where he lands is going to be interesting.
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He's a big piece of that defense.
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Really, really big piece of that defense.
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And I just don't see the Chief slowing down, unfortunately, like as much as I want to see
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some diversity in the NFL in terms of winning and whatnot.
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The Bills or Ravens need to step up if anybody else is going to come out of the AFC.
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And the Bengals.
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Yeah, and the Bengals with a healthy Joe Burrow.
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The Bengals are definitely in that in that talk to but it's going to be one of those
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three right now that could derail the three Pete.
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But I mean, they're going to come in with a lot of momentum.
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And if they can get Chris Jones to say if they can get everybody else, I don't even
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know who's going to be free agents.
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But if they can get the team to return, why not?
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Why not the Chiefs again?
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Yeah, for real.
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I mean, you can't bet against them at this point.
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They're already the early favorites.
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So we're 205 days away from the NFL season starting.
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The early favorites mean nothing.
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Are they really?
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Yeah, it's a course.
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Depending on who you look at.
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I think the ESPN one had it was like Chiefs, Niners, Ravens, Lions, Bills.
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There's another team like the Packers were like seventh or eighth, I think.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But we'll look more into that.
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We'll talk a little bit more into that later.
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Let's wrap up the Super Bowl here.
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And I mean, Chiefs give them all the flowers dynasty in the making.
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Nothing more needs to really be said about that.
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It sucks for the Niners fans.
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You know, I was rooting for the Niners.
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Pops wanted to get one to see Pops get another super.
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They played well.
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It's not like they played bad.
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You know, you didn't necessarily lose the game.
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It was more the Chiefs won the game.
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Better team won that day.
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That's it.
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Better team won that day.
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Hard fought battle.
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And my pops also lived in San Francisco in the late 80s.
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So he's seen a little bit of success and he's going to be all right.
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Shout out Pops though.
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So let's move into some tent talk.
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911, what's your emergency?
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All right, we're going to start off with some injuries.
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So I mean, as we all saw a huge hit to the Niners defense, Dre Greenlaw coming onto the
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field, nothing like really that you would ever see happening.
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Terzis Achilles, Smelty.
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What the heck, dude?
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It's just it's unfortunate to see.
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And boy, do they need him the rest of the game.
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But like all he did was like, you know, he was just amped.
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Sorry for saying like so much.
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Wow.
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But he was just so amped, dude.
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He was just amped on his tippy toes, though.
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Right.
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He was bouncing on him.
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He was just amped to get in the game and then as soon boom in the game,
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there's pop, you know, it just it sucks.
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It sucks to see because man, could they have used him the rest of the game?
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Because I was like, what?
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Five, six minutes left in the second quarter.
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Yeah, it was in the second quarter.
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Yeah.
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I mean, what a huge hit to that defense.
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Him and Warner are I mean, unquestionably, there's one duo you can make an argument for,
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in my opinion, the best linebacker tandem in the league.
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The one duo would be Roe, Quinn, Smith and Patrick's Queen.
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But he's he's so vital to that defense.
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And man, did they miss him in the second half.
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Kelsey started just going off and he was just he was he was sorely sorely missed.
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And the news came out as well from that Niners front seven, Eric Armstead played through
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the pretty much the entire playoffs with a torn meniscus.
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He will obviously undergo surgery to repair that torn meniscus.
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But what a frickin baller, dude.
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And it doesn't surprise me that we didn't hear about it, right?
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Not to bring up hockey again.
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But did we know he was playing with it the whole playoffs before the playoffs?
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No, like not to bring up hockey again.
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But like that's another hockey thing, right?
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Like you don't you don't hear about injuries beforehand because now that's a weakness.
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Right.
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And like hopefully that it feels not quite as dirty.
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But like, hey, that dude's weak over there.
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That's dirty.
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But like, you know, you know that now.
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So, you know, you don't want anybody to know that.
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So it's just, you know, I was interested to see if anybody else would come out on either
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side.
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But like so far, it's the only thing I know I've heard of.
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But I thought that was wild.
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Torn meniscus that I mean, it would definitely be sore.
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I mean, just so he doesn't play a position that requires a lot of like like low end explosiveness
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per se.
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You know, whereas like he doesn't need that quick twitch ability in the open side to side
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per se.
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Right.
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He's more yourself player.
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But still like but that has to be still going to be.
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It's going to be sore, man.
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But like, you know, I'm sure there's different things and, you know, remedies that trainers
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can turn it all and give for players to play the game.
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But, you know, yeah, props to him.
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All the best.
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Yeah, props to him and all the best in the recovery.
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That's just it just goes to the the true grit of these NFL players that doesn't get talked
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about enough.
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Well, that's all we got for injuries this week.
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Let's just get into some coaching news then.
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As it was, I would I know I kind of expected it.
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I don't see him walking away at this point.
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Andy Reid did confirm he's going to return as the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs
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next year.
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Go for the three Pete.
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You have to.
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You have to at least try even if he was thinking about retirement, which I honestly don't think
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he is.
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He said they're at the top of the game right now, dude.
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Him and Mahomes together.
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I think when I don't know whatever comes first, like whenever they start falling apart or
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like I just don't see them him leaving anytime soon.
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How old is Andy Reid?
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You know, he's I mean, he's up there.
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He's up there.
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So he loves this ish, bro.
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I know.
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I know that he just let me tell you that he loves it.
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He's really good.
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You know, you've got to watch them fingers, bro.
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He just loves it too much to walk away at this point.
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And like you said, you can't walk away a defendant.
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It's a two time like reigning champion.
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You have to at least lose in the Super Bowl before you walk away.
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You just can't do that.
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And I don't know.
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I'm not allowed to see it.
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I'm a big Andy Reid guy, bro.
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How can you not love the fella loves his cheeseburgers, the Hawaiian shirts?
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He's just he's an all around.
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He's just a guy that you just can't not love.
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No, 100 percent.
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I loved when he was in Philly.
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I still didn't like the Eagles, but like, I don't know.
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I was young.
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It was a fun team to watch.
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There's a Donovan McNabb era year in there with Tio and stuff.
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I was just really for Brian Westbrook in the back.
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Westbrook, Brian Dawkins, one of the better safe.
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My favorite players.
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He was fun to watch because he'll let you know he was there.
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Oh, but yeah, he's 65.
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But yeah, I didn't see him retiring either, but I thought it was good.
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Just shut it down immediately because, you know, those questions are eventually going
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to start getting asked.
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And then just now now go to the beach, brother.
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Yeah, chill.
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Chill.
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Go enjoy some time and come back and win another Super Bowl, because you probably will.
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Might as well.
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Let's move on to the Cowboys.
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Then they did hire a defensive coordinator, someone close to you Vikings fans out there.
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Mike Zimmer back in the NFL is a defensive coordinator.
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I like to see it.
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I don't think he's going to be as productive as Dan Quinn, but all the talent in the world
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on that defense, man.
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No, I would agree with you.
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Not as productive, but at the same time, it's not a horrible hire.
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This is what Mike Zimmer does best.
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I don't think he's one of the better HCs.
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I could still see him getting one more job at some point.
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Not the super good team probably, but like, you know, this is this is what he knows.
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He knows defense.
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So I am curious to see how it pans out with the Cowboys.
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He's been there before.
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Could be a low key hire, but you know, medium, medium to low risk, I guess.
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Like you kind of already know what you're going to get from them.
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So let it ride, I guess.
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So I have to see him and McCarthy teaming up.
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That's interesting.
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I did not think about that until you just said that, bro.
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That's that's interesting, man.
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Yeah, it's like you said, he's a much better coordinator than a head coach.
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He doesn't have that just top down leadership that you're looking for in a head coach, but
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he's produced some darn good off defenses when he was in Cincinnati.
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And then I mean, the Vikings never really had a loaded talent for him defensively when
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he was the coach.
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So he put together some decent defenses.
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Oh, well, there's some good players, though, on those Vikings defenses.
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Every team has some good players.
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It's true.
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Santa Fe weren't loaded with talent, but he made it work.
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Yeah, he made it work.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Yeah, you're right.
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You made it work.
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You had Harrison Smith.
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Maybe Eric Hendricks for a little bit, you know, was one of the top middle.
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Don't shrug your shoulders at me.
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There's never a top five and like middle linebacker.
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Eric Hendricks.
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Yes, he was with the Vikings.
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I wouldn't say he was ever top.
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We'll get him to the end of the offseason.
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You're going to say better than like Luke.
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We'll table it.
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No.
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What?
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So, OK, well, no top five.
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We're going to keep the receipts.
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Sorry.
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I just like disgustingly just laughed at the mic.
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But God, all right.
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All right.
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Yeah, we will.
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Now I've totally forgot where I was going with the whole Mike Zimmerman.
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Oh, he's just not like as far as like head coaching material, he's just not quite like
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the right coach for today's players and the kids coming out of college right now.
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I think he's a perfect defensive coordinator, though.
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I think, you know, as a coordinator, it's still OK to be a little bit more old school,
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especially defensively.
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Probably.
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That's what I mean.
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Defensively, I think it's fine, like a little more on the abrasive side, you know, maybe
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as far as head coach, I just I just don't think that style will work anymore in in today.
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And that's whatever.
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OK, the game evolves just like anything.
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But I think defensively, yeah, I think I think it's an interesting game.
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It's a great game, but I think it's an interesting move to watch throughout the year.
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Yeah, it's going to be because they had they have so much talent.
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So if he can even maintain what Dan Quinn had, you know, like, I don't expect him to
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go in and like make it better.
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But even if he can maintain it, like they have enough talent.
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They're still fine.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Exactly.
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And then some smaller news.
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Clint Kubiak becomes the Saints offensive coordinator.
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Another Viking tie.
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Yay.
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All right.
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Where did that get you?
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All right.
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So our favorite segment of the week, Smelty's Bonehead of the Super Bowl.
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Yeah, I mean, bonehead move of the Super Bowl, nothing too wild.
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But there was a scene that was captured.
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Involving Taylor Swift's boyfriend.
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I mean, Travis Kelce on the side line with Andy Reed kind of came up yelling, maybe gave
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him a little with his chest, you know, but he looked more like, you know, more angry.
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First off, I did I did see something that Travis said.
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I don't know if you've seen what he said about it yet.
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Have you?
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I think so.
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What do you tell me?
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What do you make of the situation?
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I want to know what you make of the situation first.
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I mean, the whole situation, he very emotional player.
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It's a super bowl.
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We know that.
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So apparently what would like what he came on said was like, like, trust me.
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I mean, like, put me in the get me in the game.
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Put me in down here. And that's what like apparently Andy Reed has said.
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But I don't know.
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I mean, like, like he's he was letting the emotions get the best of him.
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That's what Andy Reed said.
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Yeah, that's what I saw today.
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And he came on and said, that's what Travis said to him was just like, like, get me in
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the game.
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Then that's conflicting because I saw what Kelsey said and because I don't remember whatever
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whatever newscast asked him.
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And he was like at the game.
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He was still in pads and everything, even what he said that it was caught on camera.
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He's like, oh, you guys caught that.
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Oh, well, you know, we're just going to keep that between us.
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I just said that I really loved him.
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Well, yeah, I mean, he was obviously fibbing.
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Must have been something wild said, right?
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That obviously, again, like we know he's an emotional player.
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We know that already.
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And like he did the game super bowl to be specific.
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Right.
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And that was right after the fumble.
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So like obviously just, you know, just amped ready to go.
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So, you know, I can't it's not a crazy bonehead.
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I'm not like faulting him really for this.
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Right.
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But like it's still like, you know, that's your H.C. like, let's just, you know, this
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is a 65 year old man.
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That's your 65 year old age.
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It's a salt that you just went into it.
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You're a boulder yourself and you just bumped him, you know, like, yes, this is, you know,
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it was funny to get in the postgame pressure.
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Like Andy was there.
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Reed was asked about it and he was like, yeah, he just caught me a little off guard.
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I bet he caught me a little off balance is like why like stumbled or whatnot.
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But I mean, it's nobody's mad about it.
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Like I'm sure Kelsey apologized to him.
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Reed was just like, like, why are you apologizing?
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I'm sure is what he said.
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He's an emotional guy, especially after the emotional play fumbled down there.
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And I'm sure Kelsey was like, if Kelsey was in the game, it might have been the block
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that was like the guy that was coming off that block that Kelsey would have been making
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that caused the fumble or whatever it may be.
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Right.
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And you said that right after it happened because we had the pleasure of watching the
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game together.
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Yeah.
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Yay.
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Thank you, Kev.
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Thanks have I kevs.
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But yeah.
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So I don't know.
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It's not again, not a crazy bonehead because nothing really happened in the game that was
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had because it was so great.
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You know, so exactly.
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I mean, it's like it's slim pickings for the honestly.
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I don't know.
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Since I had no skin in the game, I felt the rest for fair.
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I thought it was a very well officiated game.
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I feel like the rest aren't even really on my mind.
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But again, I had no skin in the game.
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So obviously I'm not playing as close attention, but as far as the refs go.
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But at the same time, you know, I didn't see anything that was like egregiously bad.
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No, I mean, either.
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And of course, now the Twitter refs have come out and found, you know, three, four obvious
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holding calls that were the chief.
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But the thing is, dude, any game you could find that the thing about us is those guys
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are doing that are Niners fans.
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If they were to roll the tape back and look at every single time the Niners had the ball,
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I guarantee they'd find the same amount of plays that the Niners got away with.
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Probably.
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It's the game.
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I mean, are you playing the NFL?
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It's like, yeah, it's like, I thought the game was very well officiated.
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That's why you have to only call the blatantly ridiculous holding calls, you know, like some
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exactly.
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You can tell Arm extended pulling them down to the ground or some wild like I did.
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You know, that's not a pancake.
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You know, that's exactly, you know, that's a hold all day.
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But like, like you said, if you go look, I bet all five of them dudes are holding on
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every play near, you know, depends on how fine you want it to be.
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And that's probably why I don't know the definition of the NFL gives, but I'm sure it's up for
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interpretation and a little vague, I'd imagine, because of that reason.
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Yeah.
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It was funny.
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The clip that I saw of like the, you know, the calls that Casey got away with, there
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was one that it was like an offensive lineman.
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It was a hold.
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Yes.
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But the guy next to him, the Niners defensive lineman had an obvious hold on the offensive
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lineman.
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Right.
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And how it was like it was the exact same play that there's two obvious holding call
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obvious when you slow it down and look at it when you're looking for it.
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Right.
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But live naked eye, which thank God that that still happens because we still have the human
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element in the game, which is the refs.
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You have to.
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Sometimes you hate it, right?
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When it's against your team.
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But like, but like how many illegal hands to the face at that point is the D line given,
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you know, like you could, you could, you could pick it apart.
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You could throw a flag on every single NFL play.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And not the, yeah, not to go on a tangent about the refs like we just did in the middle
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of freaking bonehead, but like just to prove that the refs weren't boneheads in this game.
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I honestly thought that they they called a pretty fair game.
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One of the most fair Super Bowls I think I've watched.
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The fact that nobody's talking about the officiating with how the officiating has been this year.
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Huge win for the Super Bowl in the NFL this year.
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100 percent.
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100 percent.
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All right.
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Well, let's move on from the Super Bowl recap.
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Then we're going to move into some award reactions.
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As you guys all know, we did predict them last week.
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We thought who we said who we should have won, who we thought would have won and got
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a couple of them right.
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Got a couple of them wrong.
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We're going to kind of do again, just a little lightning round in this one.
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There's not much to talk about because we already explained why we all we thought the
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guys who won should have.
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But just a quick reactions here.
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So MVP Lamar, we were both on par with this one.
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Yeah, 100 percent.
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I totally agree.
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Like that is just nothing even.
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Yeah.
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Cool.
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Yep.
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Offensive player of the year.
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Christian McCaffrey wanted.
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I thought it was going to Tyreek.
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I think Christian was more deserving.
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I think him being in the MVP nominee hurt him.
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But Christian was deserving.
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Yeah, I was cool with him or Tyreek.
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Yep.
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100 P defensive player of the year.
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This is where there's some debate.
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T.J.
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Watch should have won this award.
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I agree, dude.
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He even missed a couple of games and he still led the league in sacks.
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And it is like across the board, almost every statistical like actual stat T.J.
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Watt had better than Miles Garrett.
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When you look at the like the new numbers, the pro football focus that looks at the actual
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impact outside of statistics, Miles Garrett fared a little bit better, but he also had
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more games to do that, so those rankings are going to be higher.
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And you can argue that Miles Garrett is the main, you know, that that's the nucleus of
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your defense right now.
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So like, you know, that there's something to be said about that.
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But dude, yeah, I totally agree with you.
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I thought it was T.J.
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Watts to lose.
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Obviously, he did lose it.
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But it's not that Miles Garrett isn't isn't deserving.
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I would argue it is just to me that I thought T.J.
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Watt was more deserving.
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And the people are always harsh with the other side.
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That's why that's so good.
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Yeah, Miles Garrett has the Darius Smith.
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Right, right.
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Who's no slouch, as we both know.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It moves us over to the rookies, offensive rookie of the year.
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C.J.
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Stroud won this award.
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Puka should have won it, in my opinion, but I'm not mad at C.J.
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Well, and it's just about the records for me, honestly, that Puka went off and was able
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to obtain this year.
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But I'm not mad about C.J.
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You know, you can't argue against that.
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You really can't, other than Puka's records.
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That's it.
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That's your only argument.
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50-50 on if you win that argument or not, you know, like, and obviously it didn't win.
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And C.J.
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Stroud won it.
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I'm cool with that because he led a Houston Texans team to a playoffs that it hasn't seen
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in a hot minute.
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A hot minute.
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Hot minute.
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And a win.
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And got a win.
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And the future's bright.
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So I'm cool.
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I'm cool.
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Move over to the defensive side of the ball.
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Third time in NFL history, we have had a player from the same team win the both offensive
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and defensive rookie of the year, as we all know happened last year.
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Yeah.
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Last year with Soss Gardner and Garrett Wilson.
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Will Anderson on the Texans won this award.
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I'm not mad at it.
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I thought all five guys should have won the award.
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They all played their tails off this year.
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So you know, Will Anderson was deserving.
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No, he was.
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And it's for me, it's the same argument I just made for C.J.
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Stroud.
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Houston Texans were not much.
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We're not much.
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And like you had these two guys and now you have cornerstone pieces to build around on
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both sides of the ball.
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It's same deal.
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Future's bright.
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I'm not mad at it.
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I'm not mad at it.
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But like you said, all five, honestly, we're deserving.
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And I feel like that's usually the case for defensive rookie of the year.
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You're going to have a couple of guys that are just outstanding.
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It just is what it is.
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Yeah, it is what it is.
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Like you said.
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And then the probably most.
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So we got two left here.
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One of the most debated was come coach of the year, which was won by Kevin Stefanski.
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You know, I had D'Amico Ryan's and Dan Campbell ahead of him.
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But now that I look back at it after all the adversity the Browns had this year with quarterbacks
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and whatnot, I'm not mad that Kevin Stefanski wanted.
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He was deserving of it.
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I just thought Dan Campbell and D'Amico were a little bit more deserving.
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I don't have much to add to that because I totally agree.
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He was my number three.
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I did put him at three.
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But I agree.
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You know, Texans and Detroit both.
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I thought were worse situations that, you know, both coaches unlocked some.
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Dan Campbell's been building something there and has proved every year.
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Ryan's came in again to a team with led by rookies, as we just saw, and was able to do
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some with it.
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So I think there's something to be said about that.
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But you know, again, like you said, not mad at Stefanski.
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I just I did have him at three.
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Maybe they couldn't pick between the other two and they're just like, I just give it
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to Kev.
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Yeah, that's probably what it was.
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Probably what it was.
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And then the last one here, we have the comeback player of the year.
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This was won by Joe Flacco, who I thought was deserving of it.
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I thought it was going to go a different direction.
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And I'm glad they got it right with this one.
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Like I previously stated, DeMar Hamlin is one in life and he has the sweet victory of
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being able to wake up.
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So he was he deserving of it from what the word means?
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No, because he didn't really play for comeback player of the year.
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But I'm happy to see he's still in the league and footsteps came in and just stole this
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award.
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Well, and like you said, it's not like he played much before the injury, we can call
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it anyway.
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But like and then he didn't play much after.
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So did he really come back?
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He definitely came back to life.
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That's 100 percent for sure.
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And I actually have a friend that argued this to me the other night.
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The DeMar Hamlin should have won the award.
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But and I get it.
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It's a great argument.
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But as far as like the definition of what the award is, Joe Flacco literally came off
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his couch and led a team to the playoffs, coming back from not playing.
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I don't even think he played at all last year, did he?
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Or was that his last year?
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And then if that might have been as I can't honestly can remember the Jets last year,
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that might have been his last his last his final season.
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But like he came like he was retired.
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He was done and he came back.
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That's the true definition of the award.
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Baker, you could make the argument for as well, since he obviously did not play super
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awesome last year.
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Came back from that to play really well.
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Another deal to like to write, come back from the injuries played really well.
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You know, it just I think the right guy won the award.
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I'm not taking anything away from DeMar Hamlin, but it's it wouldn't have been wrong if they
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gave it to him.
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No, no, it wouldn't have been, you know, but I got it right.
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But right, right.
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Well, that's all we have for the award reactions this week then.
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So we're going to wrap up this podcast here.
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Our parting thoughts on the NFL season is what a season we had.
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We're going to talk a little bit about my Packers, a little bit about your Vikings here
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and just kinds of season as a whole.
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And we'll start with my Packers.
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You know, we're going to we're going to kind of put what what one word would describe the
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season for you.
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And my one word this year was emotional.
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As you can tell by the podcast that we had, it was an absolute roller coaster for me with
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Jordan Love with Joe Berry, an absolute roller coaster, highs, the absolute lows.
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And you know, if if I wouldn't if I would have to pick an honorable mention, it would
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be promising just because of what we the the adversity we did like overcome with having
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the successful second second half of the year.
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We have no big name free agents that are off the book or on the books or that we need to
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resign very little cap space.
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We could work that out a little bit, hopefully with Bakhtiari in his future.
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But it's I'm really, really, really looking forward to what this Packer team has to bring.
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We're so young.
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There's so much potential really across the board at this point outside of the safety
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position.
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And the early season favorites already have us as you know, the I saw one that was the
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Packers were the fourth one.
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The Packers were the sixth and one of the Packers were the eighth and in the rankings.
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So overall, like in the league, like projecting next year, AFC, NFC, though.
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Correct.
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Yeah.
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And the NFL.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Which I love to see.
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The fourth or sixth highest favorite to win the MVP next year as well.
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He's tied with Brock Purdy for the odds that I believe plus 1300.
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Tied for what?
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Brock Purdy.
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I think he's it's either like fourth or fifth.
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Okay.
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If I'm not mistaken, it's Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, and then I think Purdy and and and
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J Love.
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If I'm not mistaken, I very well could be wrong in that I'm not looking at the numbers.
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This was based off of an Instagram post I saw.
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But like I said, emotional but but promising at the same time, man.
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How about you and your Vikings?
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I mean, the word I guess concern comes to mind when it comes to the way things went
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this season.
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Obviously, we don't really have a quarterback situation figured out yet.
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And we are in February.
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So we got time, but we don't have one figured out yet.
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We got JJ's contract situation, obviously all over the news as in the sports world anyway.
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So I guess another word that comes around is like responsibility.
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Like Kevin O'Connell and Kwesi, the GM, they have a responsibility to figure this thing
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out here.
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Like we're so used to mediocrity here in Minnesota with our sports the past what the
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city of Minneapolis has the highest amount of games through the four major sports and
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not have a championship or something like that.
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Last time was the Twinkies in the 80s.
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Yeah, that was a playoff game.
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Or yeah, yeah, sorry.
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91 1991 the twins won the World Series.
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Yep.
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So yeah, concern and responsibility concern that we're not where we need to be.
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Do I think that's a little bit different?
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Is that word different if Kirk Cousins doesn't get injured?
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Probably.
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But now you have that 36 year old quarterback coming off in Achilles, somebody who does
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take care of their body religiously.
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Not to you know, put a knock on him because he is very religious man as well.
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But he takes care of his body.
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You see that with a lot of players nowadays.
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So is it bad to bring him back?
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Not necessarily.
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But again, goes to that other word of responsibility for KOC and Kwesi.
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They're responsible for making that decision.
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Do you bring back Kirk Cousins?
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Do you draft the quarterback of the future?
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Do you resign or do you trade Justin Jefferson?
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That is your responsibility.
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And they're in that position.
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And we're about to see if they're worth the dollar amount they're paid to make that decision.
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I love it, Smelty.
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Well everybody, it's been an absolute pleasure to be by your side this week, this year for
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the NFL season.
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We do apologize for not being with you every single week.
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We will get that straightened out next week or next year.
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I'm sorry, we'll full force.
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We'll be back with some off season talk, especially as soon as the draft season approaches and
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kind of is quickly upon us.
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But in the meantime, Smelty, we have another podcast that's going to be coming out here.
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Not next week.
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We're taking a week off.
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Believe it or not, we have a week off here.
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But the F1 season is quickly approaching.
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I don't want to change gears a little bit here.
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Switch over to F1.
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I know this is a football pod, but I want to plug the other pod we're having here.
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So in two weeks, we'll be back with the F1 pod.
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We're going to recap and kind of predict look into every single race this year.
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So it's going to be a kind of wishy washy schedule.
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There might not be a podcast every week as the F1 season doesn't have one every week.
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We're going to bring on a new guy onto the pod here bring back somebody that we've heard
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before.
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We're looking forward to it.
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And we hope that you guys all tune in.
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Like I said, give us a week off.
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It's been a long season.
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Can't really make that excuse because we haven't been doing it all season.
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But we've been solid since like week six, five, some like that.
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We were close.
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Yeah, like week nine.
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But that's all right.
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Well, we did a couple though.
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We got yeah.
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Yeah.
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Hank ran.
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Buckle up.
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But yeah, but it was our absolute pleasure to talk football with you guys all this year.
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We'll be back next year with football.
45:59
Stay tuned for a couple different appearances throughout this throughout the offseason here.
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It's been a pleasure, my brother.
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It has been a pleasure.
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