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Counsell slams Ohtani rule + Katie Woo on Edwin Diaz’s elbow surgery · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Dodgers' territory host and the athletics Katie were joining us
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Speaker 1: right now. Great to see you, Katie, and I'm rocking
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Speaker 2: Uh, let's get right into it.
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Speaker 1: So Edwin Diaz unfortunately is going to be down for
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Speaker 1: multiple months, and we want to get the details on it.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to preface the question this.
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Speaker 1: Way for you, Katie, What is it like to cover
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Speaker 1: that over the last couple of weeks, because everybody from
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Speaker 1: the outside looking in was like, I think something's wrong,
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure you guys knew too, but then the
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Speaker 1: team has to play at koy until they can announce everything.
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Speaker 2: So what was it like?
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Speaker 3: Honestly, guys, one, great to see you, Scott, love the shirt.
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Speaker 4: AJ.
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Speaker 3: My eyes are deceiving me. I just can't believe that
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Speaker 3: you're on the show.
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Speaker 5: Wow. But no, let's talk a.
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Speaker 4: Little bit about at least he's not actually here, he's.
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Speaker 3: Ai AI AJ got it, it goes right through.
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Speaker 5: It was weird.
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Speaker 3: It was weird, right, guys. Like what struck me about
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Speaker 3: how unorthodox the situation was was that ended up loose
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Speaker 3: bodies in the elbow, and we were told throughout the
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Speaker 3: last week the Dodgers as well, that it was just
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Speaker 3: some kind of knee pain that didn't even require imaging.
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Speaker 3: And as this kind of unfolded, the thing that stood
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Speaker 3: out to me was the drop in below from Diaz,
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Speaker 3: because yes, you know it's early, it's April, but as
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Speaker 3: a closer, if you see the drop in below like
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Speaker 3: that does kind of race and red flags even that
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Speaker 3: early in the season. But when Dave Roberts went out
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Speaker 3: and said, we've talked to Edwin, it's a knee thing.
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Speaker 3: It's not we're going to require imaging. We're just gonna
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Speaker 3: give him a few days, that to me made a
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Speaker 3: ton of sense. Why push your closer in the first
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Speaker 3: opening weeks of the season when he didn't necessarily need him.
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Speaker 3: Then he comes out on Sunday Velo immediately I think
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Speaker 3: he pumped in a fastball that was under ninety three.
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Speaker 3: Very unlike Edwin, Diaz isn't able to record an out
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Speaker 3: against the Rockies, and Dave Roberts said, I'm paraphrasing here,
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Speaker 3: it just didn't look right and it was concerning. Then
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Speaker 3: he finds out or the team finds out that it's
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Speaker 3: loose bodies in the elbow, and Edwin Diaz had not
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Speaker 3: communicated anything about the elbow up until that time, so
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Speaker 3: guessing around the kind of here's what we're hearing from
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Speaker 3: the player, here's what we think is going on with
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Speaker 3: the team. I think that just goes to show that
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Speaker 3: communication is a two way street. And if Edwin wasn't
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Speaker 3: communicating about the pain and his elbow, there wasn't much
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Speaker 3: the Dodgers could do. They rested him, they they gave
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Speaker 3: him plenty of time, even though it was a very
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Speaker 3: awkward timing with the Mets in town last week and
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Speaker 3: now here they are probably you know, not the most
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Speaker 3: ideal scenario, obviously, being without Edwin Diaz for months. Maybe
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Speaker 3: he's coming back in the second half. It's a complicated situation.
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Speaker 5: Katie.
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Speaker 6: Before I get to my question, let me just be
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Speaker 6: the first one to say congratulations to you.
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Speaker 5: On Man.
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Speaker 6: We won't talk about it because there's it's not the
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Speaker 6: right place, so this is too big of an announcement
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Speaker 6: for us to do on the air.
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Speaker 5: So congratulations, oh my gosh for me being on the
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Speaker 5: show show with you. Thank you.
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Speaker 6: And also, Katie, let me just as it's a she
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Speaker 6: got it.
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Speaker 5: She took her a while, but she caught on.
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Speaker 6: Had We had a X back and forth about a
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Speaker 6: picture she posted on Instagram and I was like, congraduate. Yeah,
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Speaker 6: we won't get into it, but what I want to
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Speaker 6: know is loose bodies? Does that mean bone spurs? Does
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Speaker 6: I mean there's like little things floating around in there?
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Speaker 6: And did like something happen overnight when he got to Colorado.
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Speaker 6: He landed and he bumped his elbow and he's like, oh,
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Speaker 6: I can't pitch, Like where does this come from?
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Speaker 5: What does it mean?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's interesting because the Dodgers are certainly trying
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Speaker 3: to find out. You know, Edwin Diaz pitched in the WBC.
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Speaker 3: He ramped up quickly. We talked to him. I talked
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Speaker 3: to him before the team went on the road about
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Speaker 3: just how was the ramp up period through spring training?
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Speaker 3: He said he had no issue, felt no problems. Sometimes
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Speaker 3: when you just throw hard, these things pop up. I
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Speaker 3: will say. When the Dodgers announced it was a loose body,
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Speaker 3: is that to me? Obviously? Me and surgery. So I
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Speaker 3: was like, well, in minutes, we're going to find out
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Speaker 3: that he's undergoing surgery. Because loose bodies don't just go away.
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Speaker 3: There's something that have to be removed. It's a queen
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Speaker 3: up procedure. Again. They're looking for maybe a turn in
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Speaker 3: the second half earlier, but it's going to be at
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Speaker 3: least two to three months, probably closer to three for
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Speaker 3: that timetable to return. And I think it just again.
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Speaker 3: The perplexity of this is that for so long the
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Speaker 3: team was like, Okay, he's saying that his knees is
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Speaker 3: bothering him, but not to the point where it needs imaging.
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Speaker 3: He's just a little tired, let's rust him. And then
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, he comes out on Sunday. The
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Speaker 3: numbers don't look right, the pitches don't look right, the
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Speaker 3: below's down, and they say there has to be something else,
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Speaker 3: and Edwin says, it's my elbow. It's bothering me. So
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Speaker 3: they find the loose bodies. He's going to undergo surgery
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Speaker 3: tomorrow and the Dodgers will hope for speedy recovery and
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Speaker 3: that he's again ready post All Star break. But certainly
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Speaker 3: a big blow for this Dodgers team. We've talked a
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Speaker 3: lot about the depth that they've had in their system
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Speaker 3: throughout their roster. The one area where they don't seem
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Speaker 3: to have a lot is late end, back end of
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Speaker 3: the relief, and of course they go out and get
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Speaker 3: a closer for this reason. Now they're without him and
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Speaker 3: it's back to closer by committee for Dave Roberts.
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Speaker 4: Who do you think the next person up is going
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Speaker 4: to be for Dave Roberts Because Tayner Scott had success,
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Speaker 4: has had success this year, but in that closure role
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Speaker 4: in LA he didn't have success. So is it going
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Speaker 4: to be by committee where Okay, this is the best
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Speaker 4: spot for you in a ninth or is Dave Roberts
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Speaker 4: more of a manager that's gonna say, Okay, this is
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Speaker 4: gonna be my closer because Blake trying into the best
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Speaker 4: or VESSI is the best in the ninth I don't
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Speaker 4: care what the matchup is.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Dave Roberts talked about that yesterday. He said he's
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Speaker 3: not going to name a traditional closer. He will go
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Speaker 3: back to closer by committee, very similar to how he
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Speaker 3: managed most of twenty twenty five when Tanner Scott started
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Speaker 3: to struggle, and it's he called it a luxury and
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Speaker 3: it's true. Having Edwin Diaz allowed him to lock down
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Speaker 3: the ninth and work backwards in games, so he was
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Speaker 3: able to match up the leverage lanes with specific relievers.
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Speaker 3: We've seen much better results from Tanner, Scott, and up
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Speaker 3: until Sunday, Blake Trinon as well. He got roughed up
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Speaker 3: really for the first time this season against Colorado, and
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Speaker 3: part of that one is the execution, of course from
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Speaker 3: these pitchers, but also because Dave Roberts has been able
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Speaker 3: to match up the leverage lanes based on what each
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Speaker 3: reliever's strength is. Because he knew in a safe situation
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Speaker 3: who his guy in the ninth would be, he no
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Speaker 3: longer has that luxury, which means he's going to have
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Speaker 3: have to pair the leverage based on game situation. And
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Speaker 3: you guys know how these games work. There's no way
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Speaker 3: to predict that your biggest spot in the game could
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Speaker 3: be in the seventh. Sometimes it could be in the eighth,
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Speaker 3: could be in the ninth. It could also be in
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Speaker 3: the sixth. So you have to kind of have a
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Speaker 3: flexible rotation with your high end leverage guys to be
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Speaker 3: able to match up with leverage. And I wonder if
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Speaker 3: that's going to impact the early success we saw with
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Speaker 3: Scott with trying and Alex Vessi has been a lights out.
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Speaker 3: You can make the argument their most reliable reliever so
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Speaker 3: far this season. But it definitely gets much more complex
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Speaker 3: in terms of game strategy because you're no longer working
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Speaker 3: backwards or able to work backwards from the ninth. You
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Speaker 3: have to patch the game together as you go. That's
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Speaker 3: going to significantly change how Dave Roberts and pitching coach
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Speaker 4: All right, Well, during that time when Edwin was kind
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Speaker 4: of my knee, oh wait, no, it's my elbow, he
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Speaker 4: threw a bullpen and wasn't available the one day Tanner
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Speaker 4: Scott had to come in. No other team has that
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Speaker 4: luxury except for the Dodgers because they get an extra pitcher.
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Speaker 4: Seeing what Greg Craig Council said about the Otani rule
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Speaker 4: from the Dodgers doug out, we saw Dave Roberts' remarks
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Speaker 4: or or reply to Craig Council. Does it look like
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Speaker 4: it's fair for other teams or is it just a
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Speaker 4: Otani rule that only the Dodgers will ever be able
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Speaker 4: to take?
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Speaker 5: Take? You know, get some advantage from.
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Speaker 3: You know, one, I was surprised that these comments were
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Speaker 3: coming out. Now, this rule has been in place for
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Speaker 3: multiple seasons now, So when I first saw the headline,
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Speaker 3: I thought this was kind of like regurgitated, brought back
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Speaker 3: up from seasons prior. And then I saw it was
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Speaker 3: very relevant, and I said, oh, okay, that's a little strange.
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Speaker 3: And I think the Dodgers are kind of under scrutiny
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Speaker 3: regardless no matter what they do because of the team
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Speaker 3: that they are. They're spending habits, you know, they just
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Speaker 3: keep winning. But if you're looking at the Otani rule
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Speaker 3: in general, and if it's fair, you have one player
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Speaker 3: doing something in baseball that nobody else can, so making
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Speaker 3: a rule for that, I don't really get the issue.
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Speaker 3: I mean I don't really from we're really thinking about it.
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Speaker 3: I don't understand the problem. And having this extra rule
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Speaker 3: that seems to only benefit the Dodgers, I think that's
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Speaker 3: the wrong phrasing. I think this team or this rule
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Speaker 3: benefits whatever team has show heeo Tani. So the fact
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Speaker 3: that this is coming out when this rule has been
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Speaker 3: in place again for multiple years, I don't quite understand. Certainly,
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Speaker 3: everyone's entitled to their opinion. But to me, I mean,
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Speaker 3: this is a guy who's taking the mound once every
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Speaker 3: seven days based on the schedule that they have for him.
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Speaker 3: But he's still hitting in every other game. He's for
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Speaker 3: the first time in almost five years, he did not
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Speaker 3: d h on one of his start days. Like, this
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Speaker 3: is a guy who's fully taking advantage of the two
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Speaker 3: way responsibilities that he signed up to play. So I
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Speaker 3: don't really see the issue with the with the rule.
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Speaker 3: I'm just surprised more unless the timing coming out of it.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but he couldn't pitch every I'm not going to
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Speaker 6: get into he couldn't pitch every seven days if they
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Speaker 6: didn't have an extra.
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Speaker 5: Anyways, we're going to do a whole segment on total
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Speaker 5: Homer though we already knew this.
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Speaker 4: Though it's amazing, where's Jordan Walker?
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Speaker 3: Time only been a Jordan Blaloker enthusiast and you guys
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Speaker 3: know this. And if it meant me leaving Saint Louis
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Speaker 3: to see some success, I'll take that anytime. This team
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Speaker 3: is doing just fine without me. Maybe I'm the problem.
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Speaker 5: Leave him alone, Leave them alone, Katie.
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Speaker 6: But anyway, Homer continue, you mentioned that only pitches once
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Speaker 6: every seven days. How long is Rokiye Suzaki going to
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Speaker 6: get to pitch once every seventh day? With the way
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Speaker 6: he's pitching, is there a chance we see him back
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Speaker 6: in the bullpen or are they just going to continue
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Speaker 6: with this experiment forever?
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Speaker 3: You know, then we're not going to see roky Sasaki
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Speaker 3: in the bullpen anytime soon. General manager Brandon Gomes just
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Speaker 3: asked if that was a possibility with Diaz being out,
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Speaker 3: and he gave a very clear, succinct answer, a one
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Speaker 3: word no. And the Dodgers have been very adamant about
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Speaker 3: their plans for roki You think about his age and
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Speaker 3: his talent. He's twenty three, twenty four years old, has
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Speaker 3: such a high ceiling, such a pedigree coming over from Japan,
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Speaker 3: and I know the numbers don't back it up. I
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Speaker 3: know he is. The performance has not been good. He
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Speaker 3: has throwing enough strikes. The command that continues to be
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Speaker 3: an issue, and he's not getting worse in games, but
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Speaker 3: he's also not getting better. He's kind of stagnated, and
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Speaker 3: that's not what you want to see either. Still, the
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Speaker 3: Dodgers do have a luxury based on their starting arms
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Speaker 3: in the rotation to be able to run Sasaki out,
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Speaker 3: And when you think about the long term goal, why
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Speaker 3: would you limit someone who was in his early twenties
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Speaker 3: with a high potential to the bullpen when you have
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Speaker 3: the luxury the availability to run him out still once
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Speaker 3: a week and build him up to see what he
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Speaker 3: could be as a starter. The Dodgers aren't necessarily struggling
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Speaker 3: to win games. They're fifteen and six, so they have
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Speaker 3: the ability to go out and say, okay, we need
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Speaker 3: to do once a week, be able to see what
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Speaker 3: we have out of him. Can he build forward, can
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Speaker 3: he find some progress? There's no need to put in
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Speaker 3: the bullpen. That's I think a very short sighted decision
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Speaker 3: for a team that obviously has long term aspirations of
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Speaker 3: continuing to be a dynasty in this sport. If it
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Speaker 3: gets to the time with Blake Snell, who is going
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Speaker 3: to start a rehassignment, maybe as early as tomorrow, based
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Speaker 3: on the weather, could be back by mid May, then
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Speaker 3: maybe you're having a different conversation. But the Dodgers have
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Speaker 3: not waivered, not once, on their belief in Roki Sasaki's
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Speaker 3: staying in the rotation. That is not going to change
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Speaker 3: unless he becomes unserviceable. That hasn't been the case. I'm
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Speaker 3: not saying it's been great, because it hasn't, but it
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Speaker 3: hasn't gotten to the point where you just can't throw
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Speaker 3: him out there once a week. The Dodgers still want
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Speaker 3: to see and give him as much leeway as possible
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Speaker 3: before they make that decision.
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Speaker 4: You know, the great place to learn how to pitch
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Speaker 4: and learn how to get a third pitch and learn
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Speaker 4: how to throw strikes Triple A. Do they send him
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Speaker 4: to triple A? Because your comment was all and Dave Roberts'
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Speaker 4: comment was the easy no answer was to the bullpen.
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Speaker 4: Do you see them moving him to triple A because
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Speaker 4: the fear of what that looks like for other Japanese
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Speaker 4: pitchers that come over to the Dodgers, or is that
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Speaker 4: also off the table?
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Speaker 3: That to me is a more fair question than the bullpen.
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Speaker 3: But I don't think they're there yet. One thing, Justin
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Speaker 3: Erbluski had another phenomenal start yesterday in course field, so
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Speaker 3: that definitely counts a little bit more. And he's kind
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Speaker 3: of forcing the Dodgers' hands on where his long term
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Speaker 3: role is gonna be. They believe he's going to be
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Speaker 3: a starter, but they've been using him as a hybrid
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Speaker 3: six man option, and if Justin Erbuski continues to post
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Speaker 3: like he has been, it certainly ups the ante on
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Speaker 3: Roki Sasaki. But again it comes down to the pedigree
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Speaker 3: and the high ceiling that they believe that Roki has.
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Speaker 3: So I don't think they're at the decision yet where
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Speaker 3: they are maybe contemplating a move to triple A. That
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Speaker 3: probably won't happen until again, Blake Snell becomes close to
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Speaker 3: being activated. But it will be a wait and see
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Speaker 3: process with that, because while the Dodgers have I think
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Speaker 3: probably the best starting pitching depth rivaling the Milwaukee Brewers
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Speaker 3: in the National League, they're not going to throw out
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Speaker 3: seven starters in their rotation. Something's got to go. The
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Speaker 3: easier thing to do would be to have Robuski kind
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Speaker 3: of revert back to that hybrid situation, but again, his
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Speaker 3: last two starts have been phenomenal. He's at fifteen Indians.
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Speaker 3: I think he's allowed maybe as an era under two
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Speaker 3: on the year. That's going to force the Dodgers hand
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Speaker 3: to make a decision. But they're not there yet.
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Speaker 5: Guys.
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Speaker 3: They're gonna have multiple weeks before Blake Snell is ready
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Speaker 3: so they're going to write it out until they have
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Speaker 3: to make that decision.
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Speaker 4: Like the Dodgers, And I know you haven't followed them
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Speaker 4: for years, but do you feel like they make decisions
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Speaker 4: on pitching specifically with like Robleski eventually when they have
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Speaker 4: to make that decision to move him to the bullpen
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Speaker 4: or leave him in a rotation. The fact that he
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Speaker 4: doesn't strike out enough guys. Do the Dodgers only look
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Speaker 4: at the result of wins, but he's got nine strikeouts
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Speaker 4: in twenty four innings. Is that a product of Robleski
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Speaker 4: being a different type of pitcher or does he need
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Speaker 4: to morph into this Tyler Glass now ten strikeouts a
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Speaker 4: game type of pitcher and not go seven or eight innings.
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Speaker 3: That's such a great point, and I'm glad you brought
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Speaker 3: that up, because Justin Robleski, when you look at the
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Speaker 3: rest of the Dodgers rotation, doesn't have the swing and
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Speaker 3: miss or strikeout stuff. But that doesn't mean that he's
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Speaker 3: not in the zone. Justin Erbuski is relentless in the
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Speaker 3: strike zone, and that's maybe why you're not seeing a
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Speaker 3: lot of strikeouts, because he challenges pictures or challenges hitters
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Speaker 3: excuse me with the first, second, third pitches of an
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Speaker 3: a VT where he's not necessarily working to a strikeout count.
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Speaker 3: He said, I'm going to hammer as many strikes as
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Speaker 3: possible in the zone to you, and you're gonna put
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Speaker 3: something in play, and the defense behind me, which again
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Speaker 3: is one of the best in the National League, is
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Speaker 3: going to get the out. So it's a different way
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Speaker 3: of pitching. It doesn't mean it's any less efficient. It
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Speaker 3: doesn't look like Yamamoto or a Tani or Glass now
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Speaker 3: coming out and just blowing doors pass guys, but he's
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Speaker 3: not any less aggressive. I think this method of pitching
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Speaker 3: works for Lbuski, especially as he continues to fine tune
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Speaker 3: his arsenal. He's been talking to Yama Moto about adding
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Speaker 3: a splitter. He did that a few times in his
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Speaker 3: start on Monday. So I wouldn't say that he's not
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Speaker 3: looking for more swing and miss. I think every pitcher
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Speaker 3: is looking for that as we see the game kind
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Speaker 3: of rely on that more and more. But he's found
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Speaker 3: a way to be He's found a way to be
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Speaker 3: effective based on what he's good at, which is just
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Speaker 3: having this relentless attitude and hammering the zone and opposing
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Speaker 3: hitters have not really been able to work significant a
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Speaker 3: bats against him, and it's worked in his favor. It's
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Speaker 3: allowed him to go deep in games again with the
15:49
Speaker 3: bullpen kind of up in the air without Dias Right now,
15:52
Speaker 3: Dave Roberts will certainly take any one of his starters
15:54
Speaker 3: going seven to eight innings each time.
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Speaker 6: Who's the Dodgers' MVP offen right now? Is it Andy
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Speaker 6: pa Has or is it Max Munsey sneaky having a
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Speaker 6: big year so far?
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Speaker 3: Sneak, You're right, And we've talked so much about Andy
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Speaker 3: pa Has because he kind of started the season on fire.
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Speaker 3: He had the best average in baseball for the first
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Speaker 3: two three weeks of the season. And Max Munsey has
16:19
Speaker 3: talked a lot about coming in past this offseason. He
16:21
Speaker 3: cut out bread, which respect I could never and was
16:25
Speaker 3: able to drop a significant amount of weight and just
16:27
Speaker 3: get into shape. And he's talked a lot about since
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Speaker 3: his surgery and the injury that he had a few
16:31
Speaker 3: seasons ago with that elbow, about how he didn't feel
16:33
Speaker 3: comfortable with his swing, and the conversations we've had with
16:36
Speaker 3: him so far this season. Post game, he said he
16:38
Speaker 3: feels that he's in a much better place, and these
16:40
Speaker 3: numbers are backing it up. He's already had two multi
16:43
Speaker 3: homer games this season. And when you look at how
16:46
Speaker 3: deep the Dodgers lineup is the fact that you have
16:48
Speaker 3: Max Munsey in kind of the second half of that
16:50
Speaker 3: lineup being able to produce like any other team's cleanup hitter. Yeah,
16:54
Speaker 3: Los Angeles will certainly take that. And this is exciting
16:57
Speaker 3: for Max Munsey, who works really hard to be a
16:59
Speaker 3: staple in that Dodgers lineup. And I think he's kind
17:02
Speaker 3: of underrated in terms of the game itself because of
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Speaker 3: his teammates and who he plays with. But when you're
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Speaker 3: looking at what munths he can do along with Andy
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Speaker 3: pa has and let's not forget about Dalton Rushing, who
17:12
Speaker 3: has seemed to homer literally every time he's up, the
17:15
Speaker 3: Dodgers have a lot of depth. It doesn't have to
17:17
Speaker 3: be just Otani and Tucker and Freddie Freeman carrying the
17:19
Speaker 3: load in the top half. They don't have Mookie Bets.
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Speaker 3: They haven't had him for a couple of weeks, and
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Speaker 3: the fact that they've been able to pick right up
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Speaker 3: whether offens is and you haven't really noticed Mookie's lack
17:30
Speaker 3: of production because he hasn't been there. I think that
17:33
Speaker 3: says everything you need to know about this Dodgers team.
17:35
Speaker 3: They're deep, They've had some severe injuries, some big ones,
17:39
Speaker 3: no Mookie Bets, no Edwin Diaz, and they've still been
17:41
Speaker 3: able to be just fined. So a lot of that
17:44
Speaker 3: is a testament to guys like Andy PA has Max
17:46
Speaker 3: Menzi and Dalton rushing, hely.
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Speaker 5: Rushing, seven homers, twenty seven at bets.
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Speaker 6: Just definitely. And by the way, can we get somebody
17:52
Speaker 6: on in front of Max? He's got eight homers and
17:54
Speaker 6: nine RBIs Katie, can you tell somebody to get on
17:57
Speaker 6: base for him?
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Speaker 3: I'll do that.
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Speaker 5: I got you perfect. Well, wait are you in San Francisco?
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Speaker 5: Are they playing in San Francisco?
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Speaker 3: I am in San Francisco.
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Speaker 5: Welcome home.
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Speaker 2: Wait one more on the way out.
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Speaker 1: I know this is after that series, but how do
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Speaker 1: you think the Dodger Stadium is.
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Speaker 2: Going to be for Pete crow Armstrong?
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Speaker 1: Do you think those seats as close as possible to
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Speaker 1: him are going to be pricey?
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Speaker 3: So I completely forgot about the PCA comments, and I
18:27
Speaker 3: expect him to be received very loudly at Dodger Stadium
18:31
Speaker 3: on Friday Dodger fans are a very passionate bunch. They
18:34
Speaker 3: don't forget comments like that. So, uh, I I expect
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Speaker 3: I expect Pete crow Armstrong to know that he's in
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Speaker 3: Dodger Stadium first, first at.
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Speaker 4: Bat, his second at bat, his second at back.
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Speaker 5: I don't show up for the first at bat.
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Speaker 2: Oh what crat?
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Speaker 1: Now we're not gonna be able to do a show
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Speaker 2: I was just trying to that's what question.
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Speaker 5: Said.
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Speaker 6: I know, I know, Katie. What picture did you take
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Speaker 6: down behind you so you could come on today?
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Speaker 3: My grandmother had this like gigantic scroll, but I was like, wait,
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Speaker 3: this has to go sole me take it.
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Speaker 5: Shout out woo Grandma.
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Speaker 3: That's right.
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Speaker 5: The scroll, the scroll of the scroll, the scroll of.
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Speaker 2: Do Katie, You're great, enjoy it out there. Thank you
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Speaker 2: so much.
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Speaker 3: You got it, guys. I'll talk to you soon. Bye,
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Speaker 2: This is truly the definition of the hot corner. Segment.
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Speaker 1: Craig Council does not give much to the media. He's
20:48
Speaker 1: pretty low key, but he was bringing it and the
20:53
Speaker 1: Cubs and Dodgers are about to meet up this weekend.
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Speaker 1: Craig Counsel is not a fan of the Otani rule.
21:00
Speaker 1: Hold the Athletic on Monday. I've never understood it. It's
21:02
Speaker 1: an offensive rule. Essentially, it's a rule to help offense
21:05
Speaker 1: more than anything, if you ask me. And then there's
21:07
Speaker 1: one team that's allowed to carry basically one of both,
21:09
Speaker 1: and he gets special consideration, which is probably the most
21:13
Speaker 1: bizarre rule for one team. Dodgers manager Dave Roberts bit
21:18
Speaker 1: back quote. The thing is, it certainly benefits us because
21:21
Speaker 1: we have the player. We're more than willing for other
21:23
Speaker 1: teams to go out and find a player who can
21:25
Speaker 1: do both.
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Speaker 2: He's an exception because he's an exceptional player. It is
21:29
Speaker 2: what it is.
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Speaker 6: Pick a side, Okay, sho he Atani is probably the
21:34
Speaker 6: best baseball player we've ever seen pitching and hitting combo.
21:38
Speaker 5: Best player ever, best player ever.
21:40
Speaker 6: I don't know that there's many people that can argue that.
21:43
Speaker 6: As far as being able to pitch, throw one hundred hit,
21:46
Speaker 6: hit fifty homers, steal fifty bases in one yard.
21:48
Speaker 5: All that comebine.
21:50
Speaker 6: There's one of those guys in the history of baseball. Okay,
21:55
Speaker 6: Craig Council's point, I have one. See why because it
22:00
Speaker 6: gives them an extra pitcher, and there are rules that
22:02
Speaker 6: say you only get thirteen pitchers. They get a fourteenth pitcher.
22:07
Speaker 6: This allows them to give guys extra day's rest, manipulate
22:11
Speaker 6: the roster a little bit differently because technically, even though
22:14
Speaker 6: they only have twenty six players, they have an extra
22:17
Speaker 6: pitcher and they're able to use an extra pitcher. There's
22:21
Speaker 6: no way to fix this unless you say, shohe has
22:25
Speaker 6: to count as a pitcher, and then you can add
22:28
Speaker 6: an extra position player, which nobody even cares about. If
22:32
Speaker 6: you have to add an extra position player, nobody cares.
22:34
Speaker 6: It's the picture because every team is mandated you have
22:37
Speaker 6: to have thirteen pitchers because othero's teams that would love
22:40
Speaker 6: that fourteen fifteen pitchers, I promise you if they could.
22:44
Speaker 6: But the Dodgers are the only one that can do this.
22:46
Speaker 6: And as far as Dave Roberts point, and we love you, Doc,
22:49
Speaker 6: there's one guy that can do this.
22:51
Speaker 5: There's been guys that have tried it. But now to get.
22:53
Speaker 6: To the threshold to be able to use the rule,
22:55
Speaker 6: you basically have to burn a year as a team
22:59
Speaker 6: of a guy to get to that point. And there's
23:01
Speaker 6: not many of these guys out there. I mean, the
23:04
Speaker 6: guy for the Rays, try to Brandon.
23:06
Speaker 2: McKay, Brendan McKay, McKay, he tried it.
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Speaker 6: Brooks Keishnik back in the day was a guy who
23:12
Speaker 6: would have done it, but he was more of a reliever.
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Speaker 2: Loreentzen did.
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Speaker 5: Lorenzon did a little, but the problem is these guys
23:17
Speaker 5: don't hit well enough.
23:19
Speaker 6: Or pitch well enough to justify a team that is
23:23
Speaker 6: going to try and probably compete to basically have to
23:26
Speaker 6: lose one or the other per year, and that's where
23:30
Speaker 6: you get kind of stuck.
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Speaker 1: I liked when Lorenzen's agent was pushing that for him.
23:34
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, you could let him hit the qualifier.
23:38
Speaker 1: And just to add what that is to qualify as
23:40
Speaker 1: a two way player, you must do the following either
23:43
Speaker 1: the current season or any of the previous two seasons.
23:46
Speaker 1: You need to pitch twenty MLB innings as a starter
23:48
Speaker 1: or a reliever. And to me, that's a big difference too,
23:51
Speaker 1: because if you're a starter, it's much easier to accomplish that,
23:54
Speaker 1: And you must start twenty MLB games as a position
23:57
Speaker 1: player or a DH with at leapt at least three
24:00
Speaker 1: he played appearances in those games. One other caveat because
24:04
Speaker 1: this started in twenty twenty Kratz, it's this is not
24:08
Speaker 1: a new rule. It's just getting a lot more attention.
24:11
Speaker 1: It was twenty two when it started. Yes, okay, well
24:15
Speaker 1: it started when Otani was with the Angels, like this
24:19
Speaker 1: popped up. Okay, this rule has existed for many years.
24:23
Speaker 1: Now he happens to be on a team that's very
24:25
Speaker 1: good and gets a lot more attention. Nobody cared about
24:28
Speaker 1: the rule initially when it was coming out, or at
24:29
Speaker 1: least there wasn't as much buzz. The one other thing
24:32
Speaker 1: you can make a complaint out is that in twenty
24:34
Speaker 1: twenty four, MLB said, wait, hold on, we're changing the
24:37
Speaker 1: itinerary In the previous season is when you have to qualify.
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Speaker 2: Nope, no, now.
24:43
Speaker 1: It's in the previous two seasons is when you have
24:45
Speaker 1: to qualify. This was after a condition with his elbow surgery,
24:51
Speaker 1: So you can certainly make a case that now you
24:54
Speaker 1: are cherry picking the rule to one player at.
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Speaker 5: Cause who can qualify? Right? Trust me, teams have tried crush.
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Speaker 5: You know.
25:01
Speaker 6: Those teams try this all the time. They want to
25:03
Speaker 6: find these guys. They don't exist. Nolan mcclan couldn't hit
25:07
Speaker 6: good enough. He's more valuable as a pitcher. There's one
25:10
Speaker 6: of these guys any probably ever, I mean, Babe Ruth whatever,
25:14
Speaker 6: Babe Ruth was not as good as show Tani at
25:17
Speaker 6: both hitting and pitching.
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry. He was a better hitter. That's why he
25:20
Speaker 5: became a hitter.
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Speaker 1: And if you want the league to start enforcing this,
25:23
Speaker 1: try to find more two way players. Is this rule
25:26
Speaker 1: going to create that? Or do you really need to
25:28
Speaker 1: start this in a different way?
25:31
Speaker 5: What do you mean, like like, hey.
25:33
Speaker 1: We want to we want to try and create incentives
25:36
Speaker 1: in advantage.
25:36
Speaker 5: Actually discourage to discourage. It's so hard to get to
25:40
Speaker 5: the thresholds.
25:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you have a player that actually is Otani,
25:45
Speaker 1: you're gonna come up and you're gonna hit the thresholds
25:47
Speaker 1: in the season, you know, and then you're good to go.
25:50
Speaker 2: It's it doesn't take. But the first season you don't
25:52
Speaker 2: get the extra you're not down a player.
25:55
Speaker 5: You're down a pitcher. Well, because you're going down a pitcher.
25:58
Speaker 2: Well, you're going with a six man rotation, so down the.
26:01
Speaker 5: Pitch, you're down a pitcher. Because the Dodgers have fourteen.
26:06
Speaker 1: You're down a pitcher compared to the Dodgers. You're not
26:07
Speaker 1: down to pitcher compared to everyone else.
26:10
Speaker 5: That's the point. That's why Craig Council was complaining. But
26:12
Speaker 5: that's the whole point. That's the whole point to the complaint.
26:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the point is then if okay, if the
26:16
Speaker 1: next otany comes up on the Cubs after how long
26:19
Speaker 1: does it take to qualify for that?
26:21
Speaker 2: Not that long, right, But.
26:22
Speaker 5: You got to have a team that's willing to let
26:24
Speaker 5: a guy do it. And that's the problem.
26:25
Speaker 6: Most teams that are gonna have this type of player
26:27
Speaker 6: are trying to usually compete, and so they don't want
26:30
Speaker 6: to use lose a roster spot.
26:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you have no time, you're gonna do
26:33
Speaker 1: that anyway, So quickly he qualifies. How long does that take?
26:37
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't.
26:37
Speaker 6: You can't do it in the middle of the year.
26:38
Speaker 6: If someone qualifies, you automatically get an extra roster spot.
26:41
Speaker 4: Yes, so at least not no, it says it says
26:45
Speaker 4: the two previous seasons, so they won't qualify for the
26:47
Speaker 4: next year.
26:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, must see.
26:49
Speaker 1: The following either the current season or any of the
26:51
Speaker 1: prior to seasons.
26:52
Speaker 2: So what happens is, let me just so.
26:54
Speaker 6: The why wouldn't the team just designate a guy as
26:56
Speaker 6: a pitcher hitter and then get them twenty innings like
27:00
Speaker 6: boom bang pal in the first like month, and then
27:02
Speaker 6: they get an extra pitcher.
27:03
Speaker 2: That's what we talk.
27:04
Speaker 5: No, No, that doesn't make sense.
27:06
Speaker 4: He has to play in twenty games. He has to
27:08
Speaker 4: be he has to play in twenty games where he
27:10
Speaker 4: gets three at bats per game. So you're cooking, you're
27:13
Speaker 4: cooking a month worth of games at your DH spot
27:17
Speaker 4: to be able to get an extra pitcher.
27:20
Speaker 2: Correct.
27:20
Speaker 1: So that's why the Michael Lorenzen part was like, hey, dude,
27:23
Speaker 1: if you're on a crappy team like this year with
27:26
Speaker 1: the Rockies, why don't you just spend a month qualifying.
27:31
Speaker 1: I mean, he hits the innings in five seconds, but
27:33
Speaker 1: he'd have to play in twenty games, which you can
27:36
Speaker 1: do in about a month and be a DH or
27:39
Speaker 1: I guess an outfield.
27:40
Speaker 5: Yeah, but there's other people they think can hit better.
27:42
Speaker 5: That's the problem.
27:42
Speaker 6: I understand, Like that's the problem. There's other guys that
27:45
Speaker 6: can hit better than Michael Lorenzen.
27:46
Speaker 2: Okay, but but like if the not worth it.
27:49
Speaker 6: To them, you have to have a guy that's really
27:51
Speaker 6: good at hitting and really good at pitching.
27:54
Speaker 1: If you're like out of it, don't you think it
27:56
Speaker 1: might be worth it to just kind of challenge the
27:57
Speaker 1: rule And then at the trade deadline you're like, hey,
27:59
Speaker 1: you can get Michael Lorenzen, and he automatically enables you
28:03
Speaker 1: to because.
28:04
Speaker 6: Teams don't want to just give up the season Scott okay,
28:08
Speaker 6: or or.
28:10
Speaker 1: Giving up the season before. I mean, we have the Rockies,
28:13
Speaker 1: the teams that aren't good.
28:14
Speaker 4: So the Rockies are going to go to Hunter Goodman
28:16
Speaker 4: and be like, Hunter, I know you you usually d
28:18
Speaker 4: H when you're not playing, when you're not catching, So
28:23
Speaker 4: we're going to give those at bets to Michael Lorenz
28:25
Speaker 4: and so that we can have another pitcher in our
28:27
Speaker 4: bullpen that has a six E R because we don't
28:31
Speaker 4: change anything up with our pitching. No, like, oh, hey, hey,
28:34
Speaker 4: I know TJ. I know you've been doing really great
28:37
Speaker 4: playing first, and you know you can d H sometimes too.
28:40
Speaker 4: If Hunter plays first, but no, don't worry about it,
28:42
Speaker 4: like it's not gonna happen.
28:44
Speaker 5: They're not. They're not nearly as good. There's no pictures.
28:47
Speaker 4: I saw Michael Lorenzen hit home runs in back to
28:49
Speaker 4: back games against us when we when I played for
28:52
Speaker 4: the Brewers and he was at the Reds, like we
28:54
Speaker 4: were like, oh my gosh, how's this guy doing this.
28:56
Speaker 4: I saw Madison Bumgardner hit plenty of home runs. Neither
29:00
Speaker 4: of them are better hitters than whoever the heck else
29:04
Speaker 4: you're gonna put out there at DH just to get
29:07
Speaker 4: an extra This is Craig Council said this, and this
29:11
Speaker 4: is how twenty nine other managers feel in the game.
29:15
Speaker 4: He's the only one that had the guts to say it,
29:18
Speaker 4: which I'm surprised because Craig rarely says anything but every
29:23
Speaker 4: all twenty nine other managers think the same thing. But
29:26
Speaker 4: you don't want to. You don't want to butt up
29:28
Speaker 4: against old major League Baseball. They catered to this rule.
29:32
Speaker 4: This is a catered to rule. And even in Dave
29:34
Speaker 4: Roberts his answer to it, his rebuttal to it, he
29:39
Speaker 4: agreed it's an advantage.
29:42
Speaker 5: Here's the thing.
29:43
Speaker 6: Position players are only allowed to pitch in certain situations
29:47
Speaker 6: like up eight or down eight. Right, So you have
29:51
Speaker 6: to designate this guy as a pitcher on your roster.
29:58
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, so you're saying, could a team try and
30:02
Speaker 1: pull off enough position player innings or something to qualify.
30:06
Speaker 5: You see what I'm saying. But this guy has to
30:08
Speaker 5: be designated as a picture.
30:10
Speaker 2: See that seems I mean, not worse. They're both difficult.
30:13
Speaker 1: You need a real two way player, trust me, because
30:16
Speaker 1: there are no are there any in the pipe real?
30:19
Speaker 6: No, No, Hunter Green, No, couldn't hit Golan McLain, couldn't.
30:25
Speaker 6: I love Jack Kaglione and Sean Michael. Youre, we all
30:28
Speaker 6: know how we feel about you. But I watch every
30:31
Speaker 6: Florida Gator baseball game and I've said this to Jack
30:34
Speaker 6: to his face.
30:35
Speaker 4: He ain't a picture. He ain't a picture just because
30:38
Speaker 4: you throw hard. I said, I told Jack that to
30:42
Speaker 4: his face.
30:42
Speaker 5: We laughed. I think we laughed about it on this show.
30:44
Speaker 5: Yes we did.
30:45
Speaker 6: I was like, dude, thank god, you weren't a picture.
30:48
Speaker 6: I watch your act.
30:49
Speaker 5: As a picture.
30:49
Speaker 1: This is the one part, like part of me is
30:51
Speaker 1: like yeah, you know, because of his unique situation. The
30:54
Speaker 1: other parts, like well, if we're saying, oh, get your
30:56
Speaker 1: own show, that's not happening.
30:57
Speaker 6: No, there's none. I think college there's some. But if
31:02
Speaker 6: you're good enough to do both, they first of all,
31:05
Speaker 6: they usually make you pick one because but also, there's
31:08
Speaker 6: one guy that's been able to do this ever since
31:12
Speaker 6: Baby Ruth.
31:12
Speaker 5: Honestly since bath It's.
31:15
Speaker 1: And Babe Ruth doesn't count. The game and the life
31:17
Speaker 1: totally different. Right, It's not that it doesn't count, but
31:20
Speaker 1: to do the comparison stupid. So okay, the conclusion.
31:23
Speaker 5: Is Craig Counsels.
31:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, they get an edge and everybody.
31:28
Speaker 1: Next time Shotani's a free agent, someone should have offered
31:31
Speaker 1: him a billion dollars because actually he would have made
31:32
Speaker 1: it back for your endorsement deals.
31:34
Speaker 2: Thanks everyone,