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October 6, 2026 — "Sammy talks to Harjap Bhangal about immigration in the UK" · The Bridge by Sammy Chand

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  Speaker 1: South Asian music and culture can be.
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  Speaker 2: Found around the world. We track down the best and.
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  Speaker 3: Present it here for you on Ruckus Avenue Radio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, it's Vishnu Waka. You're listening to Ruckus Avenue Radio. Hi,
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  Speaker 2: this is Madhubandhi Bakshi and you're listening to The Bridge
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  Speaker 2: with Tammy Town. Hey, this is Kalpen. You're listening to
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  Speaker 2: The Bridge with Tammy Johnston.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's up?
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  Speaker 1: What's up?
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  Speaker 4: What's up?
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  Speaker 5: Hope you guys are doing well wherever you may be.
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  Speaker 5: I want to thank you for finding the signal here.
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  Speaker 5: Most of you guys know that the baseball playoffs are
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  Speaker 5: going on these days and your boy Sammy John has
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  Speaker 5: been Tuned in to them. And today the Dodgers are
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  Speaker 5: in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 2: See what happens.
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  Speaker 1: Got a great show for you today.
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  Speaker 5: We'll be joined by one of the foremost voices, or
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  Speaker 5: faces rather, in Indian immigration in the UK. His name
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  Speaker 5: is Harjab Bungle. And you'll be joining me today and
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  Speaker 5: Harjab has been somebody that I've stayed in touch with
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  Speaker 5: through the years and somebody that I certainly respect.
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  Speaker 1: And he's been on.
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  Speaker 5: Ruckus Avenue Radio before. But today's conversation I'm really looking
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  Speaker 5: forward to given just the state of things out there
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  Speaker 5: and given Harjab's vantage point.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that conversation. Harjab Bungle should be good.
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  Speaker 5: We'll also be joined today by the Ruckus Avenue Radio All-Stars.
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  Speaker 5: Nishi is in the house today. All the way from
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  Speaker 5: the East Coast. You know he's like a full-on New
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  Speaker 5: Yorker now. So I always report his show in Eastern
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  Speaker 5: Standard Time timings now. 8 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Tonight.
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  Speaker 5: And he's going to stop by and say what's up
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  Speaker 5: to us and give us a preview of what to expect.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be great.
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  Speaker 5: Doita Das Gupta's coming by with the artist spotlight.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, Dr. Roy with the word on the avenue.
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  Speaker 1: Big hour, folks.
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  Speaker 5: Wanted to thank you all for tuning in. Let's start
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  Speaker 5: it off with Gma Y. Welcome to the bridge.
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  Speaker 6: Welcome to the bridge.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you for watching. Thank you for watching.
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  Speaker 8: If I don't find someone else, I'll find someone else.
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  Speaker 4: When I'm thirsty, I drink water.
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  Speaker 6: When I'm thirsty, I open my eyes.
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  Speaker 4: I never show my emotions.
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  Speaker 8: If someone doesn't do it, I'll do it.
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  Speaker 4: When I open my stomach, I open my stomach. I
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  Speaker 4: don't want anything else. I don't want anything else.
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  Speaker 6: I don't want anything else.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want anything else. I don't want anything else.
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  Speaker 5: Produced by Gur Siddhu, the artist's name is Chima Wai.
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  Speaker 5: The song is called Rebel. Previous number one song on
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  Speaker 5: our top 20 countdown show. As with this one, we're
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  Speaker 5: coming in hot and heavy for this episode, as you
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  Speaker 5: can tell. We're starting it off with Farak, Chima Wai,
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  Speaker 5: two big songs from over the summer months here.
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  Speaker 1: This artist's name is Farak. Song's called Tarek.
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  Speaker 3: Our song is a little older than Thokras. It is
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  Speaker 3: the one who has only seen love. He is the.
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  Speaker 9: Bridegroom of God. Our thokras have some old traditions. Our
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  Speaker 9: thokras have.
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  Speaker 4: Some old traditions. The one who has.
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  Speaker 9: Only seen love, he is the bridegroom of God.
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  Speaker 4: The one who has.
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  Speaker 10: Only seen love, he is the bridegroom of God. Now
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  Speaker 10: don't ask about the condition of the heart.
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  Speaker 11: Tell me, it seems like fear.
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  Speaker 9: Is khali kar ko na looto Yeh usdil sar patakta
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  Speaker 9: hai Wa ghar chhoota hai jabse Kambakhat koi aasrana hai
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  Speaker 9: Yeh kaag se kaapta Jabhut hoti dil ke ghaav taza hai.
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  Speaker 12: Ke labz kuch aise hai Gawaya is kadar ke Gawar
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  Speaker 12: farmaayega Gawaya is kadar ke Paane ko ab kuch bachana
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  Speaker 12: hai Parinda kaid pinjre mein Parinda kaid pinjare mein usse
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  Speaker 12: dar aasma ka hai.
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  Speaker 9: Gawaya is khadar ke paane ko ab kuch bachana hai
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  Speaker 9: Parinda kaid pinjare mein usse dar aasma ka hai Parinda
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  Speaker 9: kaid pinjare mein usse dar.
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  Speaker 4: Aasma ka hai.
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  Speaker 10: Jo bhikhara poot ke phir wo samete na simat ta hai.
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  Speaker 10: Hai parthe is kadar dil pe tarashe na nikharta hai.
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  Speaker 10: Hala tu se liya jab bair tohar daav hara mein.
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  Speaker 10: Ye kandhe chuk rahe hain umido ka bhaar zada hai.
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  Speaker 5: Classic certainly one of the songs that we'll remember here
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  Speaker 5: from this year and as you guys know we're like
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  Speaker 5: what two months away from the year end top 20
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  Speaker 5: countdown show and you gotta figure that that's gonna be
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  Speaker 5: there somewhere you know wazir potter continues to put out
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  Speaker 5: great music this song is called beautiful day cool collaboration too.
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  Speaker 8: Today you have come in a colourful attire, today you
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  Speaker 8: have come in a colourful attire.
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  Speaker 3: The color of my skin is so beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Today the sun is shining like the moon.
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  Speaker 8: The beautiful day and night are not together. But today
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  Speaker 8: the day and night have opened. The moon and the.
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  Speaker 2: Moon have come out before the night.
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  Speaker 1: Davy, Davy, your bhangbharga has not been said.
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  Speaker 4: Today the day has come. Your bhangbharga. Daini chadi aaye
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  Speaker 4: tere rang.
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  Speaker 5: Varka Yeah, shout out to Rashi Sood for the collaboration
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  Speaker 5: right there with Wazir Batr.
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  Speaker 1: The song called Beautiful Day.
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  Speaker 5: And I hope you're having a beautiful day wherever you
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  Speaker 5: may be around the world. And folks, now let's make
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  Speaker 5: way for Dr. Roy, who brings us a daily Word
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  Speaker 5: on the Avenue right here on the program.
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  Speaker 1: What's up, Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Roy?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys.
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  Speaker 2: This is Dr.
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  Speaker 15: Roy with today's Word on the Avenue. In film and
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  Speaker 15: TV news, Ranbir Kapoor brought a cultural moment to the
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  Speaker 15: Ramayana promotions in Mumbai, introducing global creator Mr. Beast to
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  Speaker 15: the story of Lord Ram and prompting him to say
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  Speaker 15: Jai Shri Ram. Kapoor also talked about the ideals of Sacrifice.
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  Speaker 15: and duty, hoping the interaction would give Mr. Beast a
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  Speaker 15: glimpse into India's cultural and spiritual heritage. In media news,
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  Speaker 15: Veer Das has earned his third international Emmy nomination, this
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  Speaker 15: time in the comedy category for his Netflix special Fool Volumes.
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  Speaker 15: His journey began with For India, which earned his first
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  Speaker 15: nomination in 2021, followed by his 2023 Emmy win for Landing.
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  Speaker 15: And now, after rewriting full volume in silence when he
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  Speaker 15: lost his voice before filming, Das is back on the
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  Speaker 15: global stage once again.
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  Speaker 10: In event news.
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  Speaker 15: Nila V.K. Patil, born in Sweden and raised partly in
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  Speaker 15: Maharashtra's Ahmednagar, has been elected to Sweden's 349-member Riksdag from
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  Speaker 15: Stockholm City, carrying forward a family legacy rooted in Indian
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  Speaker 15: public life and cooperative enterprise. The granddaughter of former Union
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  Speaker 15: Minister Balasab Vikepatil and great-granddaughter of corporate pioneer Vilatra Vikepatil,
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  Speaker 15: Nila brings 25 years of Green Party experience, including service
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  Speaker 15: on Stockholm City Council and as a political advisor in
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  Speaker 15: the Swedish Prime Minister's office. That's it for today's Word
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  Speaker 15: on the Avenue.
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  Speaker 2: Until next time.
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  Speaker 5: Man, so much going on out there. Thank you so
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  Speaker 5: much for covering it all, Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Roy.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the song, Daddy.
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  Speaker 7: I'll do it for you.
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  Speaker 1: You're the best in the whole land.
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  Speaker 4: I'll make you sing and dance.
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  Speaker 7: You're the best in the whole land.
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  Speaker 4: I'll do it for you.
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  Speaker 7: You're the best in the whole land. They are sitting
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  Speaker 7: inside the house, they are not standing, their mission is true,
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  Speaker 7: God is doing it. There is no one who breaks
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  Speaker 7: the rules of the day, no one is ready to
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  Speaker 7: go and beat people up. All of them break their
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  Speaker 7: legs and see who is right and who is wrong.
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  Speaker 7: There has never been.
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  Speaker 4: A bad girl in the world.
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  Speaker 7: We have kept the shastras and the holy books, if
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  Speaker 7: anyone comes down, then we will shoot them with arrows.
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  Speaker 7: Whatever you do to them, you take them away.
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  Speaker 1: I will do it again. Yeah, I'll do it on
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  Speaker 1: my dad.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I'll do it on my dad.
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  Speaker 1: You're the king.
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  Speaker 5: Of the land.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, I'll make you sit on the cot.
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  Speaker 4: You're the king of the land. Oh, I'll do it
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  Speaker 4: on my dad.
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  Speaker 16: You're the king of the land.
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  Speaker 7: Nali Mada Changa Bol Dete Meri Haan Hirisa Meri Dekke
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  Speaker 7: Chidai Pen Kaal Jeke Cheesa Das Kur Yad Vech Kiya
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  Speaker 7: Khachra Da Kamni Ek Vech Bachni Kise Che Na Damni
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  Speaker 7: Undi Nijri Nijri
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, brand new song out on Saragama Music. The song
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  Speaker 5: is by an artist named Nidja. The song called Baddie.
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  Speaker 5: And now, folks, let's bring in Nish to the show.
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  Speaker 5: He's the host of the show called The Garage Mahal,
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  Speaker 5: happening every Tuesday, 8 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Eastern Standard Time. What's up, Nish?
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  Speaker 17: What is up, Ruckus Avenue Radio fam? This is Nish,
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  Speaker 17: the host of The Garage Mahal, and I got a
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  Speaker 17: brand new episode coming at you at Tuesday at 8 p.m.
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  Speaker 2: EST.
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  Speaker 17: And if you don't know what the Garage Mahal is
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  Speaker 17: all about, it's about me showcasing South Asian artists from
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  Speaker 17: all around the world. I do a top 10 playlist.
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  Speaker 17: Y'all come by, y'all enjoy, and we have an amazing time.
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  Speaker 17: And you get to go home saying, I knew that
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  Speaker 17: artist before it was cool. So tune in every Tuesday
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  Speaker 17: at 8 p.m. EST for the Garage Mahal, exclusively on
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  Speaker 17: Ruckus Avenue Radio.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Nish. We're looking forward to it.
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  Speaker 5: Tune in today on Ruckus Avenue Radio, Nish's big show,
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  Speaker 5: 8 p.m.
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  Speaker 2: Eastern.
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  Speaker 1: Here's Dalvinder. The song is called Ase Pase.
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  Speaker 4: Ase Pase. Ase Pase. When you laugh, you don't seem
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  Speaker 4: to laugh. You are trapped in your own eyes. When
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  Speaker 4: you laugh, you don't seem to laugh. You have kept
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  Speaker 4: all the words of your heart in your heart. If
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  Speaker 4: you come to me, I will laugh at you. You
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  Speaker 4: laugh at me. I can't see your face in the
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  Speaker 4: open I wrote in my fate that he is Santa
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  Speaker 4: What happened to you? What did you get from me?
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to hurt you, but my heart is
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  Speaker 4: bleeding I open your eyes and I see who I
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  Speaker 4: am in front of you I open your eyes and
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  Speaker 4: I see who I am in front of you You
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  Speaker 4: could die in my new house The song is called
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  Speaker 4: Asse Passe, as I've been mentioning to you here on
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  Speaker 4: this show.
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  Speaker 5: The lead single from the upcoming Painted Feelings album by Telvinder.
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  Speaker 1: October 29th. I think we'll do something cool for it.
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  Speaker 5: A couple of days before Halloween, and I'm sure everybody's
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  Speaker 5: going to be excited about that project, as.
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  Speaker 1: We are right here on the bridge.
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  Speaker 5: You know, there have been a few songs here that
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  Speaker 5: have made it to the top spot on the bridge.
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  Speaker 5: There's only a handful of them that have made it
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  Speaker 5: to number one in 2026. One of them is by
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  Speaker 5: this gentleman.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, this song.
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  Speaker 18: Dekh ke tujh ko aayna chamke Dekh ke tujh ko
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  Speaker 18: aayna chamke Chaya aankho me teri kaisa Ye khumar hai tauba,
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  Speaker 18: tauba Bandhe zulfo, bandhe zulfo Jaana na mujh se toh
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  Speaker 18: kyun khafa hai Jaana na mujh se toh kyun.
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  Speaker 6: Khafa hai Thank you for watching.
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  Speaker 18: We're going to.
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  Speaker 3: Be joined here very shortly by Harjab Bangal.
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  Speaker 5: You know, when it comes to having a vantage point
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  Speaker 5: of what's going on in the UK and our community,
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  Speaker 5: got to think that her job would probably be the
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  Speaker 5: foremost figure in the area. Looking forward to talking to
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  Speaker 5: him today. He'll be joining us here in just a
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  Speaker 5: few minutes. And I am really curious to ask him
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  Speaker 5: about the following. There's a discussion going on in the
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  Speaker 5: ether out there in the UK about specifically around the
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  Speaker 5: identity of what is English or British. And I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to ask Harjab about that.
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  Speaker 1: It's a pretty hot topic right now.
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  Speaker 5: In the meantime, this band is called Outstation.
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  Speaker 1: Stand by for Harjab.
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  Speaker 16: Sajna, yeh doori sahi jayna.
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  Speaker 6: In lamho me basa le.
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  Speaker 16: Piya Yade mujhe tera.
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  Speaker 3: Padha How do I hide it?
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  Speaker 6: It's your light Why don't you see my fate? How
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  Speaker 6: do I tell you what I got without you?
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  Speaker 4: We are here We are.
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  Speaker 9: Here, we know it Everyone knows it I can.
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  Speaker 14: See it from far away Meera Meera Safar Khabar Jaise
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  Speaker 14: Yeh Kuch Toh Hai Yahaun Hum Hai Anjani Se Satko
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  Speaker 14: Hai Bata Naina Zamani Se Dikhta Hai Mujhe Meera Meera
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  Speaker 14: Safar Khabar Jaise Kuzhita Hai Yeh.
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  Speaker 19: Raate Sajhaasi hai tere bina Khone laga hoon tuji mein
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  Speaker 19: Na jaane kyun tu hi bata.
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  Speaker 16: Aaja na tu Lagna dil mera kyun Kese bita aera
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  Speaker 16: Tere bina kya mera Kya mera Sajhaasi hai tere.
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  Speaker 14: I can see my journey through the wide world, just
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  Speaker 14: like a dream Listen to me, are you alone on
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  Speaker 14: the shore?
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  Speaker 4: Are you alone on the high stars?
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  Speaker 5: And ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure to invite
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  Speaker 5: into the show Mr. Harjab Bungal, a household name for
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  Speaker 5: his work that he's been doing in UK immigration, especially
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  Speaker 5: in our Punjabi and South Asian communities.
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  Speaker 1: How are you, Mr.
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  Speaker 4: Bungal?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, very good. Thanks. And just a big hello to
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  Speaker 2: all of you listeners. It's been great to be on
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  Speaker 2: the show. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Stateside over here, as we like to say.
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  Speaker 5: For us over here in North America, we've been keeping
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  Speaker 5: our eyes on not only what is going on here
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  Speaker 5: across North America when it comes to immigration, but also
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  Speaker 5: there in the UK and You know, I guess I'll
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  Speaker 5: start with a very big one. And the first question is,
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  Speaker 5: you know, what makes a British person a British person?
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  Speaker 1: Is it the passport? Is it the paperwork?
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  Speaker 5: Is it something no document can print or grant?
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  Speaker 1: What is your opinion on this, sir?
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  Speaker 2: My opinion is, you know, If you have a British passport,
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  Speaker 2: you feel British. You're proud of the country. You represent that.
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  Speaker 2: You have pride in the nation. You're patriotic. All of
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  Speaker 2: these things, you're part of the culture. You know, what
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  Speaker 2: is British culture? You know, that's a whole different conversation.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, then you are. I mean, simple,
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  Speaker 2: if I could ask you, what makes someone American? America
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  Speaker 2: is a hot spot for immigrants, essentially. When we think
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  Speaker 2: of an Indian, we think of somebody in a khadi outfit,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and with folded hands, respecting someone in a
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  Speaker 2: bag or turban. When we think of someone British, traditional,
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  Speaker 2: we would think of someone in a black suit with
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  Speaker 2: a cane and a bowler hat. You know, when you
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  Speaker 2: think of an American, I mean, it's a hodgepodge of everything.
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  Speaker 2: So my answer to that would be, if you have
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  Speaker 2: a British passport and you live in the country, you
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  Speaker 2: contribute to the country, then in effect, that makes you British.
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  Speaker 2: But according to some people, your five generations have to
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  Speaker 2: be white. I mean, to be British or English, you know,
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  Speaker 2: English is an ethno-nationality. So, it's, you know, we're getting
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  Speaker 2: into a debate here, but I think it's pretty obvious
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  Speaker 2: if you hold a passport of the nation, then you
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  Speaker 2: are that nationality.
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  Speaker 1: I think fair enough.
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  Speaker 5: And especially coming from your perspective, given that you, you know,
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  Speaker 5: sit on both sides of it as a British man,
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  Speaker 5: of course, and representing our community, but You know, I
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  Speaker 5: get the feeling that you feel British through and through,
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  Speaker 5: and that's what you identify with.
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  Speaker 1: So why would the title be any different for you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, essentially, I am British. I don't hold
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  Speaker 2: any other nationality. And you might be the same. You
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  Speaker 2: might be American and not hold any other passport. So
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  Speaker 2: that would make you American. I mean, to say that
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  Speaker 2: I'm not British, well, what am I then? Because I'm
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  Speaker 2: not Indian, because I don't hold an Indian passport. I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't born there. Yeah, I'm, you know, I understand that
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  Speaker 2: my parents were, but then does that make me Indian?
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  Speaker 2: I've never grown up in that country. I'm not familiar
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  Speaker 2: with the education system. I'm not activated into the culture,
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  Speaker 2: even though I'm aware of it. And, you know, tomorrow
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  Speaker 2: I could if I wanted to. But, hey, I could
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  Speaker 2: integrate with American Canadian culture tomorrow if I wanted to
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: if I moved over there. So, yeah, I mean, essentially,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Just because we're a different color, we might speak more
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: than one language. That doesn't change your nationality. Your nationality
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: is always as well as possible.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with you, by the way. I'm on
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: the same page with you on this idea. As Americans, obviously,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: this is ingrained in us, right? You're an American when
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: you become an American, and why would it be any
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: different anywhere else? But yeah, that's a, it's a really
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: hot topic in the UK. And obviously for us sitting
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: over here, we're watching this and you know, I thought
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: it'd be very interesting to get your take on it.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: And it's right in line with what I would expect
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: it to be. You know, your, your story and your
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: history is remarkable because, you know, I consider you a
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: man that an entire community turns to in these moments when,
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: as soon as they get the letter from the home office,
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: it's let's, let's call somebody that we can trust. And
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: you know, Take me back to that case that made
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: you feel like this was bigger than just law, that
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: this was now, holding families' lives in a file folder.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: If you will.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: Was there a moment when you were like, oh my God,
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: this is bigger than just laws?
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know how it happened, really. I think as
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: soon as I started doing my call-in shows, And then
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: people started asking questions from all sorts of, you know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: different stuff. Then I began to realize that there's a
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: lot of people out there with a lot of different problems,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: and it means almost life and death to them. So
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: the right advice can really, you know, sort their life out.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: The wrong advice can really, you know, mess their whole
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: lives up for years and years, create such a mess
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: that it can't be sorted out. And I think over time,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I just became, people realized that there was so much
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: bad advice out there. But hey, this is the guy
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: who gives the right advice. The only way I sort
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: of describe it, to Americans, it's very hard to describe.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So I usually, people say, what do you do? You know,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I sort of say, well, have you seen Breaking Bad?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: And they go, yeah, we have. And I said, I
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: suppose I'm the Asian community's version of Better Call Saul's.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Like when you're in trouble. Yeah, well put.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Better call it a job. That's right.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, better call it a job. We will sort it out.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: And I said, there's no way I could really. I mean,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: people now sort of follow me from all sorts of stuff.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: You've probably seen the clips where people, you know, have
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: fallen out with their wives and girlfriends or their partners
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: have run away. And like, I'm a lawyer. What do
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: you want me to do about it? I'm not a
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: bounty hunter. I'm not that guy on TV for bounty
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: hunters who go and find your missing spouses. I'm not
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: a love doctor. And the other thing, sort of what
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: happens is, I remember someone last night, and he was
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: like someone from India living in America. And he said, John,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I watch your stuff. And he goes, You're pretty much
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: the Asian guy, the Asian version of Frasier, Dr. Frasier Cruddy.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Because people think you're all of that. And I think
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: that's what I sort of evolved into. And I just
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: go with it. You know, I think it's fine. I'm
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: happy with whatever mental people give me. You know, the
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: fact is, 20 years down the line, I'm still getting
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: callers every day. I'm still as busy as ever. And
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: we have a wide range of problems. So the problems
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: never change. It's just the people have changed and evolved
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: and changed over the years. But the problems are still
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: the same for our community.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll take a bow.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: I think that's a testament to the trust that you
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: have built. And so there's that. I think that speaks
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: largely to the fact that people feel that they can
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: turn to you in these very.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: Desperate moments, let's just say. You know, you have, in
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: that trust, I'm sure you have heard all kinds of stories.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: One of the things that I know that our community
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: deals with quite a bit are these illegal routes that
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: people have been suggested to take, whether it is coming
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: to the UK, and specifically coming here to the US
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: or Canada or any of these kind of places there.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: They're almost like the illegal route or the donkey flight,
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: as they call it. And You've seen where those journeys
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: actually end. And if you don't mind, tell our listeners
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: the truth about that road that a lot of those
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: agents back home, they never tell you.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Give us those. What is one of the worst ones
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: you've heard like that?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've heard stories, terrible stories. And I'll tell
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: you what I've seen firsthand as well. So the usual
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: route for people to get out of India, traditionally, and
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: into Europe, traditionally was a flight to Moscow back in
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: the time. And then by foot, they would be trafficked
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: from Moscow into the Slovak Republic, over the border into Austria.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: And then from there, dispersed all over Europe, from Italy, Spain, Belgium, Holland, France,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: So traditionally, Portugal would end up in these countries. Out
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: of that, the few that would end up in France
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: would then attempt the crossing into the UK or into England.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: And that crossing used to take the form of lorries
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: in the lorry checks. And it became so frequent and
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: the UK government became so attuned to it that they
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: actually developed so much technology that it could detect whether
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: a person was breathing or not in the back of
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: a lorry. Yeah, and then after the lorry route shut down,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: then the small boat phenomenon started where people started coming
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: on boats. And that's what, at the moment, is the
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: main theme here. But along them journeys, many people died,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: especially during that rush hour. Because the Russian military and
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: the Russian police there, they didn't care. They would open
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: fire on you. Wow. And I remember one guy, and
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: he told me, he goes, buddy, I'll never forget my
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: donkey while I've been on my donkey days. And anybody
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: who doesn't know what donkey means, it's the way of
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: getting from one country to another. Correct. Without a visa,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: usually involving one foot. So, tell me what happened. And
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: he said, I remember we were running across this lake
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: and it was a frozen lake in Russia. And he goes,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: the military spotted us and the police, they opened fire.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: He goes, as we were running, all I heard was
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: a crack behind me and I never looked back because
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I just ran. Because when we got to our destination
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: across the lake, I realised that the guy who'd been
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: running behind me had fallen through and he didn't make it.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: And another incident he told me, and someone else told me,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: and he goes, we were in this room, you know,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: from Russia to Slovak Republic, and he goes, one of
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: the guys, he wasn't, you know, he wasn't athletic, he
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: was unwell. And, you know, he was a bit of
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: a large guy, and he wasn't athletic. He goes, he
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: was slowing the whole group down. He goes, the traffickers
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: literally could beat them to death. That's crazy. Instead of
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: getting him to the destination.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they just take the money.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The one I saw, he sticks out.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: He goes, we were walking through the snow. And he goes,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: we didn't have any shoes. And, you know, it was
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: really cold. And he goes, I saw a boot sticking
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: out from the snow. And he goes, I went to
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: pull the boot And he goes, a whole, like, skeletal leg. Wow. And,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: you know, these are true stories. Yeah, yeah. It's not fiction.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: These are true stories. Many people have been shot and killed,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: also in the same way from coming from Mexico to
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: the U.S., right?
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I had someone the other day come in. The thing is,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: they don't learn. I don't understand. Like, some people learn
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: from that experience not to do it. Other people are
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: willing to take the risk.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: You know, I remember firsthand, I discovered that Mexico and America,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: when I was on a holiday in Cancun in 2005,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I remember there's a restaurant in Cancun, and it's by
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: the water. So I went there. And I was eating
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: off you there. And these two people from the kitchen,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: from looking out, from peering at me. And this was like,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: you know, and.
• 37:59
  Speaker 20: They looked into you, and they came in and said,
• 38:05
  Speaker 20: and they go, we recognize you. I said, and they go,
• 38:12
  Speaker 20: we recognize you because you do that show.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: On immigration, don't you? And I said, yeah, I do.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: And he goes, yeah, we see you. We can pick
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: that up. Yeah. Yeah. And I said, what the heck
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: are you doing? And he goes, he said he was
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: dropped in America, but he left us in Mexico. Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: And now we're here. And he goes, we're making a movie.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: And I'm like crazy. And I said, you know, and
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I said, how do you keep in contact with the
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: outside world? Because in Mexico, are there any Asian radio stations?
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Are there any Asian TV stations? Right. He goes, buddy,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: this laptop is all we have to connect ourselves with
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the rest of Punjab, the rest of the Asian world,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: and we get all our news from here. That's why
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: we recognize you. And I was like, crazy. This is crazy.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Why did you leave India? And they go, you know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: there was just the whole system there. You know, we
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: often romanticize India quite a lot back then. We romanticize
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: it as in It's a great place. It's good kids.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: It's happy memories. But actually, that can't be the thing.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: that can't be the case because there's hundreds of thousands
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: if not millions of people willing to leave there tomorrow
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: at the drop of a hat they sell their motherland
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: they sell everything they've got mortgage themselves up to the
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: hill just to go abroad and end up doing many
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: of the lowest paid jobs ever And for them, that
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: is their definition of paradise.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: What advice would you give that person right now, Harjab,
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: who's sitting there right now in Punjab, who's considering doing
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: this right now?
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Would you just say, hey, stay there.
• 40:05
  Speaker 18: You're good.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Don't take this chance. Don't take this choice. And I
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: know that you've said things like this to people on
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: your show before, which is.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Why I think that.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: A lot of that trust comes that you're not just
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: blindly telling people to take that leap because you do
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: spell it out. You say, okay, let's just say you
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: do get here. That's when the other half begins, you know,
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: the challenges.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: And so, yeah. What is your take on that?
• 40:28
  Speaker 21: Yeah, the challenge isn't getting abroad. You're 100% right. The
• 40:32
  Speaker 21: challenge isn't getting abroad. The challenge is getting some sort
• 40:35
  Speaker 21: of leave once you get abroad. You know, anybody can
• 40:39
  Speaker 21: leave their country and get somewhere different. But the challenge
• 40:42
  Speaker 21: is how to get PR in that country or get
• 40:45
  Speaker 21: that nationality. If you're a landowner, a landlord, then you'd
• 40:54
  Speaker 21: be a fool to leave India to work as.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: A manual job abroad in US, Canada, or Australia, or UK. Yep. Yep.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: What I would say, if you do want to go abroad,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: make sure you have a skill set. Yeah. Yeah. So
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: a lot of people who arrive from abroad don't have
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: that skill set. They're mainly farming folk or village folk,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: and they don't have that specific skill set. And that's
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: why they find it hard to, you know, do well abroad.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: People have skill sets, like electricians, plumbers, you know, or, yeah,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: But they actually do well. Chefs, they can do well
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: abroad if they have a skill set in demand. Before
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: you think of going abroad, you won't get stuck in
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: the normal job. So skill set is very important. And
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: also you have to be really good at that skill
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: set that you have. So if you run a restaurant,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: But as we've seen with recent truck drivers and that accident,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: to drive well is something different.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: It's something different.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Driving abroad is not the same as driving in India. Right.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: In India, where no driving laws are adhered to or enforced,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: you've got people running around driving without insurance.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Licenses, yeah, on the wrong side of the road, going through...
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: You know, that's... It's... It's a different ball game. I
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: don't know if you saw a video this week that
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: came out in the UK. There's a guy who's come
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: from India. He's driving one of the e-scooters.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: 50 miles an hour on the motorway in the fast lane.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I saw that. I saw that. And somebody pulled up.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Against him and said, get out. Get off. And he's like,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. It's my first time. And he's like, what
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: the heck? Are you going to get arrested?
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, that was so funny. And that is.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Going to be a better call of the job moment. Yeah.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Better call her job.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: I got one last question before I let you go.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: And this was actually posted to me by a dear
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: friend who knew that I was going to be talking
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: to you today. And he said that, you know, I
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: bet her job has seen this a thousand times where
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: he has looked at marriage visas and all kinds of
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: different stuff like this. The whole dynamics that come along
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: with you know, the different marriages and, you know, the
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: family pressures, those genuine couples trapped by suspicious caseworkers and, yes, those, like,
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: sham marriages and, you know, what has the spouse visa
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: system taught you about our community and what they will
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: do for this, you know, and what they will do
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: for each other and, most importantly, what they'll do just
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: to get to the UK or to the US?
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: It's pretty wild, these stories that I hear.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, spouse visa abuse has been alive in
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: our community from day one.
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: But now, It reached a peak. And I think all
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: governments have locked onto it, hence why a lot of
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: dependents are not being allowed abroad. We had a system
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: in India where it was called contract marriage. Now, if
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I go to an American, Canadian, or English driver, a
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: white guy and saying, do you know what a contract
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: marriage is? People go, what? I've never heard of it.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: All marriages are like, you know, signed and, you know,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: what's a contract? And so, but this is a place
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: that's typically developed in Punjab in India. And it refers
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: to a sham marriage. And it's treated as a just,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: in the police, it's just a normal thing. It involves
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: usually the guy's side, the guy will be totally uneducated.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Their family will find a girl from a poor family
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: and say, we'll pay for your education to go abroad.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: You marry our son and take him over there as
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: your dependent. It's not a real marriage. It's a sham marriage,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: but everything is done real. So there's a real credit.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: There's a real marriage certificate. There's real photos of the wedding.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: There's a book. But it is effectively a scam. So
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: this was going on so much. It has been going
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: on for a long time. But in the student visa,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: this was going on for ages. And what happened was
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: there were couples that came to America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: who had no intention of living together. At the airport.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: They'd part at the airport and never see each other again.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: Or if they have to show back up for the
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: interview again later, they meet up outside right before.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they wouldn't know where they were.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: So when the interview came, like, where's your husband? They go,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah. And they couldn't even get divorced
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: because you couldn't find their partners. Crazy. So they were
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: creating a lot of problems. But the whole It was
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: a duplicity and a hypocrisy of it.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Of marriage, you know, and not sacred in our religions
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: and our cultures. And, you know, and, but yet, when
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: it came to immigration, this fraud was, all that hope
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: was ignored. Everyone was okay with this. Yeah, no one
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: just said this is wrong. You know what I mean?
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: For a visa, I always say for a visa, people
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: are willing to bypass everything, especially those who preach the highest.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: In fact, I have an acronym for visa. For visa,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: it's spelled V-I-S-A, right?
• 46:40
  Speaker 13: Yep.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: So I call it Vej Dinda Insang Sabhush Apna. And
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: that's what it is. A person is willing to sell
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: his soul, his culture, his tradition, his values, his religion,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: his God, down the line when it comes to Ibiza.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: It really does.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I had young, yeah, I had young sons who were
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: participating in contact marriages, but were telling others to see
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: God as equal.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: That's unbelievable.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: So it got to such a stage where governments obviously
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: cracked on and now pretty much everywhere. Dependents are not
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: allowed and cracked down upon. And, you know, the fraud
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: is now diminishing. In the UK, it's pretty much over
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: people coming over in couples. And other countries usually follow suit.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, I always say Canada is about 10, 15
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: years behind in terms of immigration law. Whatever the UK does,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Canada always does 10, 15 years after or 20 years after.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: And they go down the same route. That's exactly, that's
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: what happens. If you want to see what's going to
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: happen in Canada 20 years in time or 10 years
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: in time, look at the UK now. Yeah. Whereas America
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  Speaker 2: is pretty much under Trump going, you know, full circle
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  Speaker 2: and very hard before we see what's going on in America,
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  Speaker 2: especially the separation of kids from families and these lost
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  Speaker 2: kids as well, which no one seems to be talking about.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if 400 or 500 american kids were missing
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  Speaker 2: it was a big thing right but when the kids
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: of immigrants it doesn't seem to matter so america has
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: to step away as a world leader but what's happening
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  Speaker 2: in america is pretty much in terms of immigration as
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  Speaker 2: well as it's pretty much you know interesting to watch
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  Speaker 2: to see where the world ends up in relation to immigration.
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  Speaker 5: That's right that's right and and you know around the world,
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: specifically for our community, as you know, outside of India,
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: the diaspora, the immigration issue has been so front and
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  Speaker 5: center in most of our main bastions around the world
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  Speaker 5: where our populations are. And we've been dealing with this.
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  Speaker 5: And so it's been quite a thing for our population outside,
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: whether it's the Middle East or whether it's out here
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  Speaker 5: in North America, and of course, what you guys are.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Going through in the UK. And so it's a very
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  Speaker 1: interesting time indeed for all of this stuff.
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  Speaker 5: But Harjab, I wanted to thank you for hanging out
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  Speaker 5: with us here and sharing all of these very interesting
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  Speaker 5: stories and your purview on a very hot topic, I
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: think globally. Thank you so much for joining us today, Harjab.
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  Speaker 4: This has been great.
• 49:31
  Speaker 22: Yesterday there was Abad, why is he helpless today? Yesterday
• 49:35
  Speaker 22: there was Azad, why is he helpless today? Neither do
• 49:39
  Speaker 22: we know who he is, nor does he know who
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  Speaker 22: he is This world Yesterday everything was close, today everything
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  Speaker 22: is far away Yesterday everything was special, today everything is
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  Speaker 22: useless Neither we know who is it, neither we know
• 50:29
  Speaker 22: it Neither he knows who is it This world is a.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: Mess Shout out to Harjot Bungal for stopping by here today.
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  Speaker 5: What a great conversation that was. My goodness, a lot
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: to share and a lot of perspective, a lot of
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: experience in the space. And just overall, his... Reflection on
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: our community over there in the UK is an important one,
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: really is.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Harjab, for stopping by.
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: Now let's turn it over to Doita Dasgupta. And what
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: we do every day on the show is we put
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: an artist into spotlight. And Doita delivers that artist spotlight
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: for you every day right here on the bridge.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Let's bring in Doita to the show. What's up, Doita?
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  Speaker 13: Thanks, Sammy.
• 51:42
  Speaker 23: Hi, everyone.
• 51:42
  Speaker 13: This is Dutta Dashgupta, your Ruckus Avenue radio music correspondent,
• 51:46
  Speaker 13: back with some fun facts about your favorite artists. Did
• 51:49
  Speaker 13: you know that Vishal Mishra has been rejected from nearly
• 51:52
  Speaker 13: all his auditions? He auditioned for Indian Idol multiple times
• 51:55
  Speaker 13: and was finally selected in season six. However, Vishal Mishra
• 51:59
  Speaker 13: said that the best thing that Indian Idol and other
• 52:01
  Speaker 13: singing reality shows did for him was to reject him,
• 52:04
  Speaker 13: which made him try even harder to be better and
• 52:07
  Speaker 13: eventually granting him success. It is like what people say,
• 52:11
  Speaker 13: success doesn't teach you, failure does. Well, that's all from me.
• 52:15
  Speaker 13: Now back to you, Sammy.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Doita.
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  Speaker 5: Vishal Mishra is an artist that just does not disappoint.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: And he's been on the hot roll. This is his latest.
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: It's called Tume Bi Hamse from the movie Tum Mere Ho.
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  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 52:30
  Speaker 13: Hmm.
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: Hmm.
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: Aakho mein ibadat ho Tumhain bhi.
• 52:51
  Speaker 8: Hum se mohabat ho.
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: Khuda Qasam Qayamat Ho, Jo Tumhain Bhi Hum Se Mohabat Ho.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 54:13
  Speaker 11: Ratho ko teri maahon mein aake, chain mujh ko mile
• 54:24
  Speaker 11: Tujh ko hi chahoon mere sirahane, so jaoon pal ko tale.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: You are my refuge.
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: You are my refuge There is no complaint You also
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: have love for me I swear by God that there
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: will be a day when you will also have love for.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Me Vishal Mishra, everybody.
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: One of our favorite artists here on the bridge and
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: he continues to drop heaters right there.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: That's his latest. This song is called Pump Up. Romi Huda,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: one of our other favorites.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: Thank you for watching.
• 56:41
  Speaker 24: Chal maari rep palate badi jawe Chicken breast or egg
• 56:44
  Speaker 24: ki kareet badi jawe Karu dhin pe dhin krou jh
• 56:47
  Speaker 24: bait badi jawe Mera khud main reshiv main roj faith
• 56:49
  Speaker 24: badi jawe In paave kone ghele aale jaariya main In
• 56:53
  Speaker 24: paave geha bethe thunariya main Ham surute rahe kranti kaariya
• 56:57
  Speaker 24: main Ham surute.
• 56:58
  Speaker 22: Rahe zain khiladiya main When.
• 57:01
  Speaker 24: I'm off-tatted, I'm in the entry gym, my head is
• 57:04
  Speaker 24: clean Whenever I come, a new graph is set I'm
• 57:07
  Speaker 24: full baby, when I'm off-settin' Chora, in the morning and evening,
• 57:11
  Speaker 24: Dumbbells are doing bhangra Weight-backers are putting pressure on the
• 57:14
  Speaker 24: shoulder If you take off your shirt, then you put
• 57:16
  Speaker 24: a ragda If you speak, then you show your lips
• 57:19
  Speaker 24: I'm the king of the world I'm the king of
• 57:21
  Speaker 24: the world I'm the king of the world I'm the
• 57:24
  Speaker 24: king of the world.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: We've had a fabulous time with you guys. Really have.
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: And a big shout out to Herjab Bungal for stopping
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: by today. And a big shout out.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: To the entire Ruckus.
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: Avenue Radio squad for pulling up on me today and
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: supporting the show. Nish, go check him out tonight at 8pm.
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: And if you missed this episode or any of the
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: other ones, download the iHeartRadio app. Type in Sammy Chand.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: See you tomorrow.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: It brings the night's castes. Morning, dawn, dawn, morning, morning.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: All these words seem to be heard, heard. We sleep, sleep,
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: sleep at night. This is sleep, this is unconsciousness, this
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: is intoxication, this is.
• 59:12
  Speaker 23: Luxury, this is fun, God knows what it is. Thufaan
• 59:26
  Speaker 23: aaye ya ho koi aandhi Ho Gautam ya Nanak, Bhagat
• 59:32
  Speaker 23: Singh ya Gandhi Bohat kaushish ki nahi khol paaye Aakhon
• 59:39
  Speaker 23: pe jo patiyan humne baandhi Hum sab hai taareet raaton
• 59:47
  Speaker 23: ke aadi Hame raat hi me mili thi aazaadi
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: Thank you.