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Best of Chuck & Buck 12-9 · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: I'm starting to wonder if we should acknowledge Christmas being
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  Speaker 1: better than the Winter meetings. Finally, you know, that's that's
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  Speaker 1: where I'm coming from this morning. It is, Yeah, financially better.
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  Speaker 1: Christmas is great. Why don't we give it more attention
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  Speaker 1: than we do the Winter meeting? Why do we get
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  Speaker 1: all fired up for the Winter meetings? Wouldn't you say we?
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  Speaker 2: You mean you?
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  Speaker 1: I mean the American public.
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  Speaker 3: I think most people recognize that Christmas is much better
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  Speaker 3: than the Winter meetings.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and right now, witness this year for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Always even put a prospect or a new player under
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  Speaker 3: my tree right now, and I have like a multiple
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  Speaker 3: presents under the tree for Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, mariners are involved a lot of different conversations out there,
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  Speaker 1: and so we'll dive into some of the rumors here.
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  Speaker 1: And then every single insider that's there and it's killing
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  Speaker 1: like twelve hours of programming on MLB network with no
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  Speaker 1: moves to react, is saying that it's about to pop.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe it doesn't happen in time for the Winter meetings,
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  Speaker 1: but they all believe that the market is going to
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  Speaker 1: move faster than it has in past years, and certainly
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  Speaker 1: that there are a bunch of trades that are being
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  Speaker 1: lined up right now, so Mariners are involved in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things. They actually have pulled off. The only
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  Speaker 1: trade it wasn't at the Winter meetings, but it was
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  Speaker 1: right before the Winter meetings. We talked about it a
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  Speaker 1: little bit yesterday, but Ford versus farrr E the trade
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  Speaker 1: that we made with the Washington Nationals to give up
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  Speaker 1: Harry Ford the prospect for jose A Ferrara, a left
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  Speaker 1: handed relief pitcher. We did have a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: time talk about it yesterday. I'll just quickly reiterate my thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that one, we didn't get as
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  Speaker 1: much back for Harry Ford as I thought we would
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  Speaker 1: or could. Two, they're certainly is value in getting a
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  Speaker 1: lefty reliever who might be on the verge of turning
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  Speaker 1: into something very useful for a Major League Baseball team
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  Speaker 1: that you have a lot of control over. So I
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  Speaker 1: get why they were interested in him. And number three,
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  Speaker 1: I think maybe you know, because we like Harry Ford
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  Speaker 1: so much, we saw him be a prospect for so long,
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  Speaker 1: maybe even we overvalued him because I can promise you,
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  Speaker 1: Jerry justin every general manager out there is not taking
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  Speaker 1: less in a trade for a guy like this was
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  Speaker 1: what they felt was the best that they could get
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  Speaker 1: for Harry Ford.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I thought that there was more, probably more
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  Speaker 3: meat left on that bone just but you're right, it
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  Speaker 3: probably was more of us like in the story, like
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  Speaker 3: in the kid and then watching him, you know, kind
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  Speaker 3: of keeping tabs on him as he was coming up
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  Speaker 3: to the minor leagues.
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  Speaker 1: Now, obviously with you know, with.
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  Speaker 3: Cal flourishing into the dude that he is, then there
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  Speaker 3: was no place for it, right. You didn't know that
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  Speaker 3: Cal was going to be the dude he is when
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  Speaker 3: you ended up drafting Harry Ford. A few years after
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  Speaker 3: you you'd drafted him, and so there comes appointment. He's like, well,
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  Speaker 3: let's get what we can for him. I mean to me,
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  Speaker 3: there's I don't know for sure if he most certainly
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  Speaker 3: hasn't reached the ceiling yet. He hasn't even had much
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  Speaker 3: of an opportunity at the big league level. So to me,
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  Speaker 3: it's like, I think you could have possibly kept him around,
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  Speaker 3: let him, you know, catch you know, once twice a
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  Speaker 3: week and maybe d h if he's swinging a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: and then you could probably his stock could have rose
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  Speaker 3: and you maybe could have got more of what we
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  Speaker 3: thought right, because I was picturing him as as the
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  Speaker 3: guy that maybe is going to be able to hit
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  Speaker 3: at the big league level and catch and run. But
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  Speaker 3: the way it is now, it's he's gone. And yet
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  Speaker 3: they did get a what I'm thinking is going to
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  Speaker 3: be a pretty good picture out of the b open
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  Speaker 3: for US.
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  Speaker 1: Ford said yesterday that he was sort of devastated by
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  Speaker 1: the news, but also excited to be with a young team.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to be surrounded by a lot of guys
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  Speaker 1: that are young like him, there's no question about it,
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  Speaker 1: and can build something there. So Harry's very nice, very
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  Speaker 1: good young man, and so we wish him the best
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully this jose A Ferrera is what Jerry and
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  Speaker 1: Justin think that he is is, because I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to go through Gregory Santos again. Mitch Garver, though, suddenly
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  Speaker 1: becomes the talk about who's going to back up cal
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  Speaker 1: again this year, And just when you thought you were out,
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  Speaker 1: they pulled you back in.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I've had a couple of conversations with people on
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  Speaker 3: Twitter about it, and I get the idea of if
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  Speaker 3: they did bring him back, he's not going to be
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  Speaker 3: making twelve million dollars a year, which he obviously didn't
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  Speaker 3: live up to that over the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't want to see it anymore. He's a
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  Speaker 3: good dude. I know he's respected in the clubhouse. He's
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  Speaker 3: one of those veteran guys. I just don't want to
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  Speaker 3: see it anymore. And I don't even care if it's
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  Speaker 3: once a week in backup catching duty. I don't really
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  Speaker 3: care for him behind the dish. He knows the staff,
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  Speaker 3: and so I think he calls a good game. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think he blocks particularly well. I don't think he
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  Speaker 3: throws particularly well, and I can't stand the way that
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  Speaker 3: he approachesn't at bat. And so, yes, there's other options
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  Speaker 3: out there, not that there's a bunch of great dudes
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  Speaker 3: that are bringing a lot to the table.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm sure you could.
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  Speaker 3: Go out and find somebody in pay him a million
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  Speaker 3: bucks or a couple million bucks, and I wouldn't. They
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  Speaker 3: probably aren't going to go up there battling for walks.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you got to worry about it, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you have to worry about it because
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he wants to come back here good
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  Speaker 1: as much as he liked his as much as he
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  Speaker 1: liked his teammates. I mean the death threat story from
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  Speaker 1: a year ago. Believe me, he did not look happy
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  Speaker 1: with anybody but his teammates. I think if he's going
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  Speaker 1: to keep playing, it's not going to be at a
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  Speaker 1: discount to a place where he and his family got
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  Speaker 1: death threats. I think he's going to move on. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think I get why the Mariners might say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we need a backup catcher. We might as well go
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  Speaker 1: with the devil we know in Mitch Garver at a
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  Speaker 1: much reduced rate. But I don't think Mitch Garver's going
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  Speaker 1: to play Pat. That's a good point, ya. I hope not.
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  Speaker 1: I hope he hates it here. Trade Wise, there's Katel
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  Speaker 1: Marte rumors popping up. Sounds like Arizona's definitely going to
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  Speaker 1: move Marte, who's had a lot of injuries and yet
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  Speaker 1: has achieved superstardom with the Arizona Diamondbacks since he left
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  Speaker 1: here a few years ago, and yet Mariners maybe circling
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  Speaker 1: back around, might have some interest in him if the
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  Speaker 1: Polanco thing falls through. Another name I'm going to throw
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  Speaker 1: out there is CJ. Abrams who's a bit of a pill.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like young shortstop slash second baseman for the
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  Speaker 1: Washington Nationals, but also kind of reminds me of a
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  Speaker 1: of what Katel Marte was turning into. Not here, but
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  Speaker 1: once he got to Arizona. That's the type of player
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  Speaker 1: he sort of reminds me of. Plus he steals like
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  Speaker 1: sixty bags a year. CJ. Abrams apparently made available by
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  Speaker 1: the Washington Nationals. Could they pull off two trades with
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  Speaker 1: the Nationals in a week. Maybe that's a possibility, but
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  Speaker 1: I think all of this is plan beat and not
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  Speaker 1: bringing Polanco back. But nonetheless, if the Mariners do have
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  Speaker 1: a trick up their sleeve, it could be for a Marte,
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  Speaker 1: could be for an Abrams this week.
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  Speaker 3: It'd be interesting if they did the Kateel Marte. I
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  Speaker 3: mean it's an upgrade. I mean even that's saying something
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  Speaker 3: because the way pol Uncle hit and played last year.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean, he this is a guy that's in
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  Speaker 3: the MVP conversation a bunch of years. But you're a
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  Speaker 3: big money a star. Yeah, you'd not as much as
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  Speaker 3: you think not bad. Well, it's not a bad salary,
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  Speaker 3: decent decent money all the way. Through is age thirty
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  Speaker 3: seven season, which is that's a kicker, is the Mariners
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  Speaker 3: are not standing. Yeah, they don't want to say they
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  Speaker 3: don't want to be paying somebody that's on the down
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  Speaker 3: on the decline. And you've, I've you've seen it happen before,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and and it just doesn't typically work out.
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  Speaker 3: Most guys are not as good when they're thirty seven,
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  Speaker 3: and if you're paying them that because of what they
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  Speaker 3: were when they were twenty seven, that's problem.
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  Speaker 1: But it seems like it's the wrong move. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: seem like it's a Mariner move for the reasons you said.
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  Speaker 1: So you paid Marte before he reached this peak and
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  Speaker 1: then you're gonna get him on the down side as well,
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  Speaker 1: plus all the injury history, plus their philosophy when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to older players. It I don't even know why
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  Speaker 1: we're involved in the rumors. It doesn't make sense that
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  Speaker 1: we're involved in Katel Marte rumors, even though as you know,
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  Speaker 1: I love the guy, Yeah, and I think it stinks
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  Speaker 1: that we missed out on Katel Marte's outstanding career. Finally,
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  Speaker 1: just quickly, Munataka Murakami is somebody that I'm still just
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  Speaker 1: fixated on He's the latest Japanese phenom that's coming over,
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  Speaker 1: the guy with the eighty power grade and the scouting report.
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  Speaker 1: They believe that he could hit fifty to sixty home
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  Speaker 1: runs in the major leagues in a season, but he
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  Speaker 1: does strike out a lot, which is scaring off a
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  Speaker 1: few people and a few Mariner fans about signing him.
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  Speaker 1: The only reason I bring it up is because he
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  Speaker 1: has to sign by the twenty second of December. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he got posted. There's only there's a finite amount of
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  Speaker 1: time that Japanese players have to negotiate a deal. So
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  Speaker 1: he's going to make a decision here in the next
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  Speaker 1: thirteen days. I think the Mariners have to at least
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  Speaker 1: be kicking the tires, even though I haven't heard of
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  Speaker 1: any progress happening with Murakami. But I haven't heard of
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  Speaker 1: any progress happening with Murakami and any team to this point. Nothing.
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  Speaker 1: But he we know he's got a sign in the
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  Speaker 1: next thirteen days, So we'll have that information here in
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  Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks. All right, Coming up next
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  Speaker 1: on the program, the Kraken struggles continue, not even the
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  Speaker 1: high jinks of two Jackasses during the intermission could break
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  Speaker 1: them out of it. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
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  Speaker 6: Then the shotgunformation Hurts oiks over the events shotgun snap
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  Speaker 6: five Man Rush blips.
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  Speaker 2: His on pass.
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  Speaker 1: It's intercepting at the middle of the twenty coming to the.
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  Speaker 6: Middle side twenty five. Then the players hit the ball
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  Speaker 6: Chart three. Hurts picked it up. He loses the ball.
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  Speaker 6: The ball's rowing. Here's sideline recovered up the forty five.
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  Speaker 6: The Chargers have gotten the ball, stopping the try by Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 6: I think everybody touched that ball on that played, bouncing
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  Speaker 6: from one player to the nets.
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  Speaker 1: Ah Man, when you have a play as crazy as that,
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  Speaker 1: you want Kevin Harlan on the call for sure. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Westwood won. Kevin Harlan of course he does that crazy
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  Speaker 1: ass play Justice. We've never seen a play like that.
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  Speaker 1: Just like Tim Kirk, I love sports. I'll never know.
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  Speaker 1: You got to see that was nuts. Yeah. Jalen ERTs
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  Speaker 1: threw an interception and fumbled the ball on the same play.
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  Speaker 1: Leave it right there. If you don't know what I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about, go look it up. Think I'm lying. He
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  Speaker 1: threw an interception fumbled the ball on the exact same play.
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  Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Eagles lose again to the Los Angeles Chargers.
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  Speaker 1: That's where our frost brewed course liked Choose Chill headlines
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  Speaker 1: will begin on Monday Night. Football twenty two to nineteen
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  Speaker 1: was the final score. Eagles aren't very good. They haven't
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  Speaker 1: been good all season long. They're eight and five and
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  Speaker 1: still have a very good chance of making the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: But you want to talk about a team that won
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  Speaker 1: the championship and then let everything else get in the way,
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  Speaker 1: including the clubhouse issues that they had. Seems like they
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: have some coaching issues. They're not playing well offensively. Defense
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  Speaker 1: have been pretty good all season long, but they just
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  Speaker 1: don't look like a team. They do not look better
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  Speaker 1: than the Cowboys right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would probably go with that. I mean, offensively,
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  Speaker 3: they've been scuffling all year long. Defensively they play well,
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  Speaker 3: and they still seem dangerous. It's even saw Spurts last
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  Speaker 3: night when Sakuon would get rolling, and yet Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 3: had two interceptions.
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  Speaker 1: Going to the game.
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  Speaker 3: He threw four last night, not even, that's not even,
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  Speaker 3: and a fumble fumble after an interception.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. College football, Rick new Isiel to the Koogs. Rumors
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  Speaker 1: are all over the place. We're actually going to ask
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  Speaker 1: him about it today. That's right, He joins us live
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  Speaker 1: at nine o'clock, so we'll get it straight from the
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  Speaker 1: horse's mouth. The Huskies will play in the LA Ball
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  Speaker 1: It's the first bowl game of bowl season. It's this Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: so just rip that band aid off. College football playoff
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  Speaker 1: won't start until the nineteenth of December. It's Army Navy Week.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe a topic that'll come up with our next guest.
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  Speaker 1: Also this Saturday, the Heisman Trophy will be announced. We
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  Speaker 1: know the finalist Julian Sayan of Ohio State, Diego Pavia,
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback at Vanderbilt, Notre Dame running back Jeremiah Love,
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  Speaker 1: and the favorite, Fernando Mendoza, quarterback of the Indiana Hoosiers.
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  Speaker 1: The crack and lose again. They've lost six straight games.
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  Speaker 1: They lost to the Wild last night by a final
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  Speaker 1: score of four to one. Here on a cracking ticket Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: evert fits you will join us to discuss their woes
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  Speaker 1: at eight thirty today. And the Major League Baseball Winter
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  Speaker 1: Meetings are ongoing. No activity I mean, I mean they
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  Speaker 1: have been a couple of minor pitching signings that have
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: taken place, but for the most part, Squad Douche has
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  Speaker 1: occurred down there in Orlando, Magic Kingdom, my sweet ass.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see if it starts to pop here today
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  Speaker 1: as the Winter Meetings continue in Florida and it's about
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  Speaker 1: time we had a chance to chat with Greg Bell,
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  Speaker 1: and we have oh so much to discuss, including the
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  Speaker 1: big headline of the day. Are the Seahawks really going
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  Speaker 1: to face Philip Rivers this Sunday? That's right, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: making that up. It's a possibility. Let's talk to Greg Bell.
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  Speaker 1: With the bell tolls.
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  Speaker 7: It must be seven o'clock and time for twelfth Man
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  Speaker 1: Now with twelfth Man News, here's Greg Bell.
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  Speaker 5: With Chuck and Budd Beat Navy.
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  Speaker 4: I can't wait.
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  Speaker 1: You're going yes, oh, yes, okay.
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  Speaker 4: That's been MacIntyre and I are flying out to Thursday morning,
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  Speaker 4: two days and we'll be on the air Friday from
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  Speaker 4: one and I think it's noon until I don't even know.
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  Speaker 4: Friday afternoon for three hours, guests go or lots of
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  Speaker 4: Army Navy talk great in Baltimore from Theanner herbor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, love that for you. How do you feel about a.
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  Speaker 4: Win tough this year? Yeah, you had a good season. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: maybe the nine and three and Army six and six
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  Speaker 4: snuck into a bowl game. But there the old cliche,
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  Speaker 4: throw out the records. I think I've told you my
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  Speaker 4: sophomore year, we were seven and three and Navy was
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  Speaker 4: zero to ten in the meadowlands. It was like four
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  Speaker 4: below zero wins everywhere, and some kicker trotted out in
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  Speaker 4: the wind and kicked a forty yard field goal for
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  Speaker 4: Navy and beat us in the last play. It was
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  Speaker 4: gross and ten Navy beat us. So I think I
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  Speaker 4: mentioned when you go around the Army, when you're in
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  Speaker 4: the Army, the West Point graduates and you see him
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  Speaker 4: at events across the world. When they say hi to
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  Speaker 4: him and you introduce yourself as an Army West Point graduate,
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  Speaker 4: they just say what was your record against Navy? Not
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  Speaker 4: that they didn't. You know, only only a certain number
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  Speaker 4: of people played football. I didn't play on the Army
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  Speaker 4: football team, yet that record stays with you. I was
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  Speaker 4: two and two, two and two.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, all right, that stays with it. All right, Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know it's gonna be fun, and we got the
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  Speaker 1: right people on the job, so excited that you get
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  Speaker 1: to go check this out. All right, Well, let's dive
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  Speaker 1: into this. We didn't get to chat with you about
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  Speaker 1: the game on Sunday, but here we are on Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: and there's already something far more interesting. What was your
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  Speaker 1: reaction when you heard the Philip Rivers could be the
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  Speaker 1: Colts next quarterback story yesterday?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I laughed, he's yesterday. It was forty fourth birthday,
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  Speaker 4: and I thought immediately when I was forty four, which
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  Speaker 4: is now eleven years ago, I couldn't even think of
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  Speaker 4: playing in a Turkey Bowl Thanksgiving game with my friends,
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  Speaker 4: let alone an NFL game. The other thing that's funny
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  Speaker 4: about this is, as you probably have mentioned, he's a
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  Speaker 4: semifinalist to be inducted into Canton next summer to the
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  Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. He hasn't played since twenty twenty. He's
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  Speaker 4: a semifinalist on the ballot for twenty twenty six, and
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  Speaker 4: if he gets into a game, if they do sign
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  Speaker 4: him and he plays this year, the Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 4: is going to rip his he can't get inducted until
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  Speaker 4: five years from now. They're going to pull his ballot.
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  Speaker 4: They will pull his candidacy and he won't get inducted
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  Speaker 4: next summer. Well, let's just be straight. Even if he does,
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  Speaker 4: if the tryout goes visit goes great. In Indianapolis today
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  Speaker 4: and he signed to the practice squad, it would defy
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  Speaker 4: logic that he plays Sunday in Seattle, because one, he's
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  Speaker 4: been on his couch for five years, but two, you
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  Speaker 4: just can't roll into an NFL headquarters on a Tuesday
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  Speaker 4: without five years of knowledge about anything they do. And
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: this is a brand new system compared to the one
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: River's ended his career in Indianapolis with the stain stiking,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: I can't fathom that he would be spun up enough
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: on what they want to do to play. Having said
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: that they are in dire straits a quarterback. Obviously, with
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: the Coles effector even talking to him, it looked like
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: Riley Leonard was going to be the quarterback now that
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: Daniel Jones has the Achilles injury. Leonard finished up against
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: the Jacksonville the other day, but now Riley Leonard's hurt too.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: So Brett Rippon Shado Park High School, Spokane is the
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: practice squad quarterback. So really what the culture looking at
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: is if Riley Leonard can't play the rookie from Notre Dame,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: do they just do we bring Philip Rivers out of
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: five years of retirement or do we go with Brett Rippon.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Either way, obviously it's advantage Seahawks.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: And said there, yeah, and they seem to figure out
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: a way to play some backup quarterbacks.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: It seems like every single year.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, it would be it would be unusual to
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: play one that was not hasn't even been in the
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: league for five years.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: That would be odd.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: And you're right, I don't think it's probably likely that
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: he would be ready to go. And yet I think
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: that they already did the workout last night and that
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: now they're just discussing whether and how they're going to
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: move forward with the whole thing. Regardless, we shall see.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I would imagine somebody that knows the system, like Ripping
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: like you were talking about. So, but besides that, Okay,
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: so if they come in here and they're gone their
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: second string quarterback in Riley Leonard, that's injured if he
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: is his knees, okay to go, or it's some guy
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: off the practice squad. I mean, is there just you
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: go out there and you say, we're just gonna shut
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor down and we're not gonna worry about anything else.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah. This would be the fourth consecutive game that they
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: have faced either a rookie or backup quarterback. That's cam
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Ward in Tennessee.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: Then they had brand new.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Rookie Max Brosmer first time ever starting from Minnesota. Then
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins. It was, of course not a rookie, but
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: he is a backup. He's not Michael or Michael Pennix
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: in Atlanta. And now it would be whoever, Bradley Leonard
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: or Brett Rippen. And I asked Mike McDonald about that yesterday.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: I said, what is it about your defense that you
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: were trying to put the quarterback in a quandary?
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: What are you trying to do to.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: A quarterback, whether they're experienced or rookie. And he knew
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: where I was headed with that, and so he just said, well,
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: we just do our thing and our process and blah
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: blah blah. But suffice to say that they're catching breaks here.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: If they're playing.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: A forty four year old five years of retirement, they've
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: caught a massive break. And now, before Daniel Jones got hurt,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: the Cults were in trouble. They've lost four out of five.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: They had fallen off a cliff offensively. Even when Jones
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: was healthy. Anthony Richardson is on injured reserve as the backup.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: He's not an option either, the top draft pick from
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: a couple of years ago. So they're already talking about
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: the season being over, even though it's still just eight
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: and five in Indianapolis. So it wasn't they were already
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: going to catch a break here in this one. Now
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: they're not catching a break on Thursday, four days after
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: this game, when they play the Rams. But no matter
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: how the Colts quarterback situation shakes out on Sunday, it
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: would be a massive disappointment at the Seahorks are on
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: eleven and three heading into that Rams game on next Thursday.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I said all last week this will be the
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: last game that you probably should handle with ease, And
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: now all of a sudden you're facing another one in Indianapolis,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: a struggling team that maybe down to the practice squad
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: quarterback starting against you, so it should be another game
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: that falls right into the Seahawks lap. Greg Bell is
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: with us our Seahawks insider from the News Tribune. You
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: can follow him at gmail, Seattle on Twitter, and of course,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: follow his complete coverage of the Seahawks at the Newstribune
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: dot com. On the Seahawks front, Jalen Sundell has got
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: his windows started to return. How quickly do you think
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: it'll take before he's actually playing again.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Well, they haven't officially done that because they don't have
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: to till Wednesday when they actually have a practice, So
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: I'm expecting them that'll be the start of the twenty
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: one days. I don't think it's going to take long.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: And talking to people in the building, it sounds like
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Sundel has been healthy for a week or so and
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: if they would have been able to, they would have
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: had him return to practice last week. The rules where
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: we had to wait four weeks, So here we go.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I asked again yesterday to McDonald he's going to play
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: garter center and he wouldn't tell me. Of course, he
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: did say that Anthony Bradford is playing the best he's
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: ever put He's played for him. He said that Bradford
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: was their highest rated offensive lineman in Atlanta, and he
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: said his confidence is He doesn't think Bradford's confidence has
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: ever been higher in his career than it is right now.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: He said that he has a really good punch, in
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: particular in past protection on the three touchdown passes by
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: the Sayar Scott in the second half from Sam Donald.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: Two of the three really good protecting sets by Bradford.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: One of them he double teamed with over with Timmy
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: the center, and they allowed the corner of the safety
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: up the middle just a defensive back blitz, a wide
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: open on free blitz, but Donald got away and threw
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: the touchdown past the Cooper Cup who was all as
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: a safety valve. So McDonald said, well, there's still some
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: reps that are negatives, and the d like back, but
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: that's true for everybody on the offensive line, and we
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: really like Anthony Briver's plan. So he doesn't make it
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: sound like he's gonna bench Bradford five days after saying that.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: If you take McDonald at his word and then stuff
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: like that, he's been pretty accurate about that, it would
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: appear Sundell will come back to center and over with
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Timmy will move back to being a backup.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I mean that's fine.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess I'm not gonna sit and act
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: like I know more than the coach. And it just, man,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: just seems like there's times that one you just talked
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: about turned into a touchdown, and yet there's a lot
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: of times you let a guy go run Scott Free
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: at your quarterback and it turns into an intercept or
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: a fumble.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: But it is what it is.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, pass blocking, why is there that I've heard
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: some other people online talking about how he's improving?
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Is he good at run blocking? Am I missing something?
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: There?
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Is he good at? But run blocking? Get is that
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: something he's improving at as well?
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Run blocking was his strength coming into the season. The
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: reason why he got one of the reasons he got
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: the job is he's kind of a mall or master
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: guy in run blocking, and pass blocking was what he
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: was struggling at it his first couple of years in
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: the league, and so they've kind of had that in
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: the back pocket. While he can run block and that
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: he has the entire offensive line, frankly has had trouble
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: run blocking in the last month. Kenneth Walker has some
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: of the most majestic minus one yard runs in the
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: history of the NFL. In Atlanta, it was the same thing.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: There were three or four dudes waiting on him before
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: he got the handoff, and he still would get it
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: one yard or no gain or two yards he could have.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Walker was probably not real thrilled with opportunity he got
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: the carre of the ball in Atlanta, because again, every
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: one of these games are his last auditions to get
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: a new contract next year. I can only imagine him thinking,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: come on, I'm playing for my life football career and
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: try to get a new contract, and I've got four
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: guys waiting on me as I get the ball in
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: the backfield. So the entire offensive line has struggled in
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: their run blocking the last four weeks, including Bradford. The
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: bottom line is they obviously don't think they've got anybody
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: better than Bradford. Christian Haynes has been sitting there as
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: a backup for two seasons now and he hasn't won
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: the job. And if they thought that Sundell was better
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: than Bradford, then they would put him in. But then
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: they I think they believe Sundell is better than Oloo
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: to me at center. So it's I hate to say
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: it's by default, but they're going to go with the
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: best Bradford they can have because I think he's the
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: better option of anything. They have a right guard right now.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Greg mel is what sar Syawk's insider A fresh off
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the plane from Atlanta, Georgia, and so we had a
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: lot to discuss with the old man Rivers and Jalen
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Sundell being activated. All we got time is just to
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: get your take What was your big takeaway as you're
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: flying home from Georgia. Long flight? What was the one
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: takeaway that you grabbed from a Seahawks thirty seven to
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: nine went over the Falcons Sunday.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that is a lower flight, six hours. We live
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: a long way.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah everywhere we really do.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: You know, the two best players I used to say
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: the best player in the team was Devin Witherspoon, Right,
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: the two best players in the team are Devin Witherspoon
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: and Nicki min Worry And they both dominated the game.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: Emon Worry after the game. The stuff I was getting
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: from people, Jackson spin and Jigbis says, I tell him
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: all the time that he can be a legend and
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Witherspoon is. Witherspoon and his defensive Cournaden Dirty both said
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: there's nothing he can't do. The guys played ten games
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: in the league and they're already talking like legend and
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: there's nothing special. He just took over the game the
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: other day. There are eleven defensive statistics officially on the
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: in the NFL Game Statistic Book. That defensive player can
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: have eleven stats across the board. Sacks, tackle for losses,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: forced fumbles, interceptions, tackles, assists, solo as a supposed safety,
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: he's not a safety. He's a linebacker. He's a defensive end.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: He's an inside outside linebacker, he's a cover slot corner.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: He's everything. He had nine of the eleven statistics you
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: can have a defensive player. The only thing he didn't
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: have was a force fumble, fumbover recovery, and Devin Witherspoon
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: had that instead. Those two guys, because they can play
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: inside outside, near the line of scrimmates out, they tackled
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: in the run game. Those two guys can win a
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: game for you, and they did against Atlanta. It's rare
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: to say that two defensive backs. And again, I don't
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: even I hesitate to call even worried defensive back. It's
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: rare to say, and my very few teams in the
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: NFL say two defensive backs won us a game. Two
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: defensive backs won that game. Emon Wary blocked a field
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: goal that the Falcons were trying to go in for
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: the go ahead score in this first half, and then
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Rashid Shaheed's kickoff return actually woke them up. It was
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: a six to sixth flog. It's easy to forget about that,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: but at the start of the third quarter they were
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: not real thrilled with how that the whole day was going,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: especially offensively. I would be concerned. I am concerned if
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: I'm a Seahawk about how much Sam Donald turns the
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: ball over. I know it's not fashionable if you're a
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Seahawks fan to say, well, they won thirty seven to nine,
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: and our quarterback through three touchdowns in the second half,
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: he was twenty to thirty for two hundred and forty
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: eight yards. He actually had more yards than he averages
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: per game, a guy who's been leading the league in
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: yards per attempt all season, yet he turned it over again,
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: and he leads the league with sixteen turnovers. He has
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: the most turnovers in the sport. And I don't care
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: how good Witherspoon and Emon Wori are. If you turn
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: the ball over against the rams of forty nine ers
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: and in the playoffs, you're out done. And we saw
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: it when the Seahawks went down to Inglewood four interceptions
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: a game they should have won. The defense only gave
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: up one true touchdown drive they lost twenty one to
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: nineteen to the four interceptions by Sam Darnold. He has
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: a chance, if he doesn't fix the turnovers, to subvert
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: the whole thing. And that's having said how great he
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: has been all season without the turnover. You take away
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: the turnovers, which is not easy to do. And he's
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: had a great season. But you cannot win in the
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: playoffs and go where you want to go turning the
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: ball over sixteen times in thirteen games. And to me,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: that is where this season is boiled down to. They
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: have a championship super Bowl defense with a quarterback who's
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: giving it away more than anybody in the league, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: they got to rectify that.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Well, welcome back, thank you very much, great stuff as always.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Then we'll chat again.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Tomorrow, Thank you, sir.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: All Right, baby, Greg Bell with us our Seahawks insider
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• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Come morning, sir, Good morning.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: How are you tucky?
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: You're doing all right? Can you read the bottom line
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: at the eye chart when you go to the uh optometrist?
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: I have to be fully honest about that, Yeah, I
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: can with my bifuncals on.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Officials aren't supposed to ever admit that they have glasses gene.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: You know, that's exactly right.
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: I purposely, in my as my eyes did decline a
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: little in my basketball career, thought that working with a
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: little fuzziness and not being you know, seeing it too clean.
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: Actually it was a pretty good thing for me because
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: I didn't see the tiki tag files. They were kind
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: of blended into, you know, a little fuzziness.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: So I just got the big ones.
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Did that make me a little bit blind?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Probably, But you know I ran with it.
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: Ah.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love the fact you're just owning it. After
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: years of officials taking abuse for kneading glasses, Jean's like, yeah,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I've got a pair right here in my pocket. All right, Well,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: let's dive into a few things. I we got some
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: plays to isolate, but I just want to I'm watching
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Monday night football last night, and just want to try
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: to get your opinion on something here. Got Justin Herbert
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: clearly out there playing with an injury to his left hand.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, it looks like he's got a prosthetic on
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: his left hand the way that he's kind of operating
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: out there, And I'm just curious from an official standpoint,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: how difficult that was for you to not treat him
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: too precious. I mean, you know that he's hurt, you
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: know he's got an injury. Was it easy difficult for
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: you in those situations to treat him like everybody else?
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Or did you have to keep reminding yourself of, hey,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: this is football. If he's going to be out here,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: he's a subject to the same hits that everybody else is.
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, in all honesty, one of the things
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: that I just admired so much about the athletes, you know,
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: through my whole career, was yet, Justin Herbert definitely has
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: a major injury, right and we can all see it.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: He's a quarterback.
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: But there wasn't a Sunday that went by where you
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: didn't know that a half a dozen guys were out there, right,
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: you know, playing with something that none of us would
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: go in the backyard today and say, now I just
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: can't throw with you son. You know, it's just a
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: bad week, you know, And these guys were out there
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: every single week, you know, just just playing with reckless
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: abandon but you know, and just the appreciation of it,
• 32:37
  Speaker 8: so you know you're aware of it. But it is
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: what you kind of said at the end, Chuck, you know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: I mean, this is the game you guys shows to play,
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: and they wear it as a badge of honor that
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: they're going to play through it.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: I was watching Aaron Rodgers this week for his second
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: consecutive week, you know, with the cast on his left hand,
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: you know, and going the whole week. And I'm sure
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: Herbert's the same way, where you can't even practice a
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: hand to hand snap just because you want to don't
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: want to deal with the impact of a football being
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: snapped part into your hand, you know.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's amazing what they do.
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: And then it's even equally and maybe more amazing to
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: then see how they perform with things that again we
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: would never want to go out and just throw catch
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: with but they're performing at this unbelievable level with injuries
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: that are that are significant, So it's more of an
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: admiration thing and an yeah, you want to help them
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: get off the ground as quick as you can whenever
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: you see them down. But I was like that with
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: every quarterback they got caught down. You know, I wanted
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: to still be there as quick as I could. And
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: sometimes they take the hand and sometimes they wave it off.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: You know, it just depended on their mood of the day. Yeah.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Gee, I mean there was actually one, and it's kind
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: of something that I know is not necessarily in the rules,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: And yet I'm curious as to how you would have
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: officiated it. I mean, not this week, but last week
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: when he ended up hurting being hurt. He was playing
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: against the Raiders, and there was one play where a
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: defenseman like he'd already gotten rid of the ball, and
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: the defensive player kind of runs by and on purpose
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: like slaps his hand, like hits his hand. You know
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: that there's some guys out there that are going to
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: go after something that's hurt on a guy. That's just
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: kind of part of the way the NFL is.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: And yet that I.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Don't think that's against the rules. Is it necessarily walk
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: by and slap a guy that has a sore hand.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: Exactly, Bucky.
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: But you know what I mean, if you're really on
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: your game as a ref that moment and you see it,
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: you don't you maybe can't flag it right because what
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: are you going to call there? But it doesn't go
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: without being recognized, Like it would be one of those
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: moments where I would hope my MIC wasn't accidentally turned
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: on for what I might be saying to that player,
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: understanding what that action could create for the rest of
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: the game two plays later, or you know, or.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: The ramifications of that.
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: So in those types of scenarios game managing again, how
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: the hot mic is a good tool to have and
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: hopefully if you see it or could catch it, you
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: address it really really fast for all the right reasons,
• 35:09
  Speaker 8: you know what I mean. But yeah, it's part of
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: the business. It's like when there was a fumble in
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: that pile and you know, ten bodies are in there
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: trying to scratch, reach and rip any body part they
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: can from underneath the pile because they don't want to
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: claim that their hands is attached to the rest of
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: their body.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: There. You knew what was.
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: Going on, you know, you just tried to get it
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: get it, get it finished as quick as we couldn't
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: move on to the next snap.
• 35:33
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  Speaker 8: or anything.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: This judgment was keen is keen with twenty twenty. Yeah,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: all right, Well, let's dive into some of these plays.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: And I'm going to start with something that I said
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: yesterday in our show meeting. Might have been the worst
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: call I've ever seen. I don't understand how Isaiah Likely's
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: touchdown catch was overruled. So explain that to me. Baltimore,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: the Harball family. God, we're all listening because we don't
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: get that one.
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: It's it's this place. I have to tell you guys, listen.
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: I mean my career parallel that I was the Calvin
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: Johnson catch, I was the des Bryant catch, I was
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: the zach Ertz catch in the Super Bowl. So the
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: catch and the way the rule is written, and the
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: fact that we've decided to make it a reviewable frame
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: by frame play has has created these types of scenarios
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: where we're going to have plays that are getting right
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: to what one hundred people in the bar say, touchdown
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: and back after review based on the criteria that we
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: have to set in some way for a subjective play,
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: We've got to get it in black and white to
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: be able to say this is how we're doing it.
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: The play happens. This was another one of those perfect
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: storm plays. Look, I think if you do watch it
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: in real time and you realize that we have this
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: little extended moment where we all do think it's a
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: catch and the ball comes out, we kind of are
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: getting triggered a little bit, I think after some years ago,
• 37:36
  Speaker 8: and that might not be you know, let's take a look.
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: Maybe the backfoot still was down and it was the
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: third step. Whatever those little elements turn out to be.
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: This one felt like it was exactly that perfect storm
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: in so many levels. Now, an upright receiver in the
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: end zone in the field of play has to continue
• 37:54
  Speaker 8: to finish the three elements of the catch in their
• 37:57
  Speaker 8: processed steps, possession two feet down, and then either a
• 38:02
  Speaker 8: third step or the time to make a different type
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: of a football move, or a football move in this
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: scenario likely does something that we just haven't seen. He
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: initially possesses a football with both arms fully extended away
• 38:17
  Speaker 8: from his body for the right reasons. So his possession,
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: which is step one, is with his arms fully extended.
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: He gets two feet down, keeps the ball fully extended
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: to keep it away from the defensive back at that
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: time from ripping it out in the end zone in
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: a frame or two before his third foot hits the ground,
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: and the time element that would be deciphered in some
• 38:40
  Speaker 8: subjective manner hadn't taken place fully yet the football comes loose,
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: So you're gonna have all of these different variables. Hey,
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: the football move is he's got his arms extended. He
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: didn't extend them from being the ball being in his
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: body and reaching. He's not gonna take it from being
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: fully extended tucking it back in.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: He's bringing it to danger. So you had a lot.
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: Of these little elements of this definition of what becomes
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: a catch. And then it differs, as we know if
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: he were following it would be a different element, right,
• 39:13
  Speaker 8: So this is the challenge, no pun intended. I think
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: it's a piece of the game that these stakeholders decided
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: to make reviewable that at times we see these plays
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: happen where we think this whole thing is just not
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: the way we.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: Want it to be.
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: But yet we've got to live by some criteria. And
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: I really do feel like this play is that play.
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: You know, I talked to half a dozen people in
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: football in the football world that said, look, as soon
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: as I thought, I thought, that's just not a catch
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: right now, you know, But then again you'll look at
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: a very very wide origin of humans that'll say, you know,
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: that's just a touchdown.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: Guys.
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: I know, I mean, and I understand that as well.
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: But I think these are the scenarios and this is
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: what we have to live with in some ways because
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: we're reviewing subjective pieces of a play. It's not a
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: black and white play.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I mean, I get then if you've put
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: the letter of the law down, then you got to
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: go by the letter of the law.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: And yet there was a play.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: In the Seahawks game Seattle against Atlanta. It was a
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: play in the second quarter and it ended up being
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: kind of a four point play. Now it didn't really
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: matter because the game ended up being thirty seven to nine,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: but you know, that was when the game was still close,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: and this was a way a time in which the
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Falcons are trying to extend their lead where it looked
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: like the receiver Moody was kind of forced out of
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: bounds just a little bit of contact and he goes
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: out of bounds, comes back and I think he gets
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: two feet down, which I thought this re establishes himself.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: But they basically negate the touchdown at that point in time,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: and they said that he didn't reestablish himself. So what
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: is the rule of how much contact can happen before
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: you're considered forcing someone out of bounds? And what does
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: he have to do to re you know, basically re
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: established being in bounds.
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: Really interesting play, Bucky, with a lot of different pieces
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: to that as well, and you did you set it
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: up perfectly. So in this scenario, you see a defensive
• 41:13
  Speaker 8: back with the receiver running near the sideline and we
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: have some contact with the defensive player beyond five yards.
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: Let's even put it in that category where if we
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: felt it was a redirection type of a contact by
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: the defensive player and the quarterback was in the pocket,
• 41:29
  Speaker 8: we'd have a flag for illegal contact maybe, but this
• 41:32
  Speaker 8: contact wasn't enough to rise to the level of ilegal
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: contact because it was it was subtle, right, it's what
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: we want them to do. Let him play a little bit.
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: So now the bump that isn't a foul does cause
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: the receiver to step out of bounds. Now, once he's
• 41:47
  Speaker 8: out of bounds, and he's out of bounds free of foul,
• 41:51
  Speaker 8: he's out of bounds just because he either put himself
• 41:53
  Speaker 8: there voluntarily or the contact was so incidental that we're
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: not thinking that he was forced out or fouled to
• 41:59
  Speaker 8: be out. Now, he is not eligible to be the
• 42:02
  Speaker 8: first person to touch a legal forward pass, regardless of
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: whether he re establishes or not. If he gets both
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: feetback in in that scenario and catches the football and
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: finishes the play, there's a flag for illegal touching on
• 42:18
  Speaker 8: the receiver for going out of bounds free a file
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: and being first to touch. The penalty for that file
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: is just a loss of down at the previous spot.
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: If he steps out of bounds gets one foot back in,
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: which is fine in college because it's a one foot
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: game and the NFL is a two feet game. If
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: he goes out of bounds and only reestablished, it doesn't reestablish,
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: but gets one foot in the field of play. The
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: other foots in the air. The moment that he touches
• 42:44
  Speaker 8: that forward pass, he's out of bounds still by rule,
• 42:47
  Speaker 8: so it becomes an incomplete pass. So regardless of how
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: that play kind of finished, incomplete pass.
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: Back, kind of loss of down right next down back to.
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: The previous spot, re establishes a llegal touch foul foul
• 43:01
  Speaker 8: is go back to the previous spot. It was a
• 43:03
  Speaker 8: loss of down necks down, so the penalty or the
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: result would have been the same. But that's how that
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: play gets squared as it relates to a player going
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: out of bounds that was not fouled. If he were
• 43:15
  Speaker 8: fouled out of bounds and you had illegal contact that
• 43:18
  Speaker 8: put him out. Now he comes back in and catching,
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: you may see two flags there and then the dreaded
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: rep conference for a minute. But you'd have one official
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: saying I have illegal touching on eighty eight and say, no,
• 43:31
  Speaker 8: that's fine. Hold on a minute, I've got a legal
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: contact on twenty eight that put him out, pick up
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: the flag for illegal or illegal touching, we'll decline the
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: file for illegal contact to be caught in and then
• 43:42
  Speaker 8: go back to square one and have the result of
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: the play. So that play definitely has a lot of
• 43:46
  Speaker 8: layers to it.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Bud Boy, as somebody rooting for the Seahawks, I thought
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: for sure that we got away with one there. But
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: and then somebody that has no rooting interest in the
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens, I thought they completely got screwed. Just a recap.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Are you telling me I'm over two on these two
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: plays that they actually got the Baltimore catch or drop right,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: and they got the Falcons play right too.
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: Let me preface it by this man, which is what
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: I used to do with the mic.
• 44:14
  Speaker 9: By rule, Chuck by rule, you're over two, over ten
• 44:20
  Speaker 9: now the refts right the rules? No, are they being
• 44:23
  Speaker 9: taxed with applying these rules like this that we.
• 44:26
  Speaker 8: All disagree with the times.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: Yes, by rule, you're over for.
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: Two by your personal opinion, I give you like a
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: half of one on the catch, and you're just wrong
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: on the Seattle play.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: So just a fifteen yard penalty against me and not
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: fifteen yards in a loss a game? Yeah, Okay, got it.
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: No loss of no LD, no loss of times.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I still got a hold of dig out of here.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the Chiefs Texans game. I'll
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: be honest, I didn't watch a lot of this game
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: because I had just finished watching like thirty thousand football
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: games in the previous twenty four hour so I kind
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: of needed a break by.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Some jack Welcome to my world.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but apparently there were a lot of calls, and
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: of course then all the Chiefs that were brought into question,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: and one in particular I want to ask you about
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: is that the Chiefs had challenged a replay assist and
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: then it is overturned that he's the guy was ruled short.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: So it led to the questions of can you challenge
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: replay assist? And is it a bad look when the
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: replay assist is getting overturned?
• 45:34
  Speaker 8: Last question?
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: First, Yes, bad look.
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: Okay, I think to even add a little more to it,
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: I think if you go back and watch the play,
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: I think the officials on the field got the spot
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: right the first time right, which initiated what they felt
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: was a replay assist to then award the first down.
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: Dangerous place all around, Gods, like from a philosophical standpoint,
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: I'm all for I'm not a horse and buggy guy.
• 45:59
  Speaker 8: Enhance technology make the game better, and enhance communication from
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: other people to make the game move more efficiently. Yes,
• 46:07
  Speaker 8: yes to both, but not if it's at the detriment
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: of what we love and that's the essence of the game.
• 46:13
  Speaker 8: And I get nervous about that. This is a first
• 46:15
  Speaker 8: for me. You know, replay assists someone from off the
• 46:18
  Speaker 8: field comes down to tell the officials on the field
• 46:21
  Speaker 8: you've done something incorrectly. We have it nailed upstairs. I
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: can assure you on the field if that happens, you're
• 46:26
  Speaker 8: going wherever they're telling you in your ear to go,
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: because you have to trust how fast this game is
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: and how I could be wrong. And now we realize
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: that they're wrong upstairs.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: That really is a big, big no no. We never
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: can come down from above with the knee.
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: Jerk quick reaction. That now has to be challenged.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: And yes, I didn't know it.
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: I'm kind of glad it happened to another network's rules
• 46:50
  Speaker 8: analysts to find out if they could challenge or replay
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: assistable play. I don't recall that happening yet.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: It makes sense that you could.
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: But then I guess the real question is, now that
• 47:02
  Speaker 8: I've challenged it and they've had a chance to look again,
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: can replay assist replay assist you know, like we.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: Get it, can we get a do over? And not?
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: And not kind of you know, tax the team with
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: that challenge, because really, again, what rests do Let's say
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: that Kansas City was unsuccessful in their first challenge and
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: they're sit in a third quarter now and they were
• 47:27
  Speaker 8: forced to challenge and replay assist, they get it right,
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: but they didn't get both right. Now Kansas City may
• 47:33
  Speaker 8: have to play the remainder of this game without a challenge,
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: and then god forbid, we end up with a play
• 47:37
  Speaker 8: that's not replay assistible. But after the third look, it's
• 47:41
  Speaker 8: they were wrong and Kansas City couldn't challenge. So a
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: very very delicate place. We've got to be careful that
• 47:48
  Speaker 8: all these new shiny objects that we're implementing in at
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: the end of the day are good for the game.
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: But it was a first for me. I have to say, uh,
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: and thank goodness everybody, the working pieces were there to
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: get the thing right, because that's what everybody wants at
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: the end of the day.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Here's my takeaway. You know, we got the better guy
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: on our show. We could add Terry McCauley, and we
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: got the better goal. That's what I come from that. Yeah,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: first round for sure for the show.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: I am going to clip and send it to.
• 48:18
  Speaker 9: My friend Terry everyone whenever we have those little moments.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: You know, we had our choice of many seemed rules analysts,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: and we chose the right guy. That's what That's what
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: I heard. Nailed it.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: And he's happy for it. Well as he's happy for it.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Where are you this weekend, We're.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: Going to go back to New York. We have the
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: Army Navy game.
• 48:43
  Speaker 8: Which I think is the greatest football game played in
• 48:46
  Speaker 8: America every single year, and the pomp and circumstance of
• 48:51
  Speaker 8: being able to just take that game in. My late
• 48:54
  Speaker 8: father had the pleasure to ref that game five times
• 48:57
  Speaker 8: in his illustrious career as an official. So it's a
• 49:00
  Speaker 8: game I got to meet President Ford in nineteen seventy
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: four at an old JFK Stadium in Philly and got
• 49:07
  Speaker 8: to be in that game in that environment, I should say,
• 49:11
  Speaker 8: and really feel the magnitude of what it means to
• 49:14
  Speaker 8: see our young Navy and Army people off together. It's
• 49:21
  Speaker 8: an amazing experience. It's one off, so we have the
• 49:25
  Speaker 8: luxury of doing that on Saturday, fellas. And then naturally
• 49:28
  Speaker 8: I haven't looked yet because I'm still trying to unwand
• 49:31
  Speaker 8: I don't know if it's five, six or seven games
• 49:33
  Speaker 8: on CBS this Sunday, which will probably half of them
• 49:36
  Speaker 8: at least be playoff implicating games. So just psyched up
• 49:39
  Speaker 8: for another great week at all right?
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Well, awesome, I'm glad to get to have that experience again.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Thanks as always, you are the best and we will
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: talk to you soon.
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: All right, Thanks guys, have a great week, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wait, that doesn't go that all right? Evertt Fitsi's
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: next Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM start to
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: move and so far, so good on that front. We
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: have some breaking news be where we get to Ebert Fitzhugh.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber is going back to Philadelphia. He has resigned
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: a five year, one hundred and fifty million dollars deal,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: thirty three year old player with one hundred and fifty
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: million dollars contract guaranteed to remain a Philadelphia Philly And
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: then moments later, former may Edwin Diaz left the Mets.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Officially he has signed with the Los Angeles Dodgers. I
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: don't have the money on that in front of me
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: just yet. But as soon as Schwarber went, they were
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: calling him the Domino at the MLB Winter Meetings. So
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: we get another move shortly after that, So maybe things
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: are cooking now down in Orlando with the MLB Winter meetings,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: things are not cooking for our local hockey squad. They
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: lost their sixth straight game last night to the Minnesota Wild,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: this time four to won the final score. Joining us
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: is the voice of your crack and ever fits you.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Good morning, sir. Sorry, Kyle Schwarber is not a Tiger.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Now, Listen.
• 51:38
  Speaker 10: I would have had my money on Schober going back home,
• 51:41
  Speaker 10: going back to Cincinnati.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: He's talked, he's talked quite a bit.
• 51:44
  Speaker 10: Over the last handful of years in his career just
• 51:46
  Speaker 10: how much he liked Cincy, and he wouldn't be opposed.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: To coming back to Cincy and finishing his career there.
• 51:53
  Speaker 11: So I was surprised, But are you I'm surprised they
• 51:57
  Speaker 11: gave a thirty two year old one hundred fifteen million
• 52:00
  Speaker 11: dollars or is baseball just monopoly money?
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: And this is an.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not surprised by that. You know, I thought
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I thought that was gonna be about the rate. Plus.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I think he's gonna age pretty well, don't you. Bucky
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: power's the last thing to go. Yeah, he's not. He's
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: not there. Not signed him for speed.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: You know, he's he'll be able to hit bombs when
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: he's thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight.
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: And by the way, I think it was Banana Rama
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: who wrote money talks. Money talks. Dirty cat, I want you,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: dirty Cat, I need you. Uh huh, So money always
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: talks in these situations. Everett, all right, talk to us.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Let us know. Cracking the lost six straight games, obviously
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: the roughest patch of the entire season, and it's not
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: even close. So what's gone wrong? And as the how
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: is the how is the clubhouse? How's the coaching staff
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: reacting to this?
• 52:51
  Speaker 12: Well?
• 52:51
  Speaker 10: I mean, if you listen to the media from last night,
• 52:55
  Speaker 10: you know it's it's pretty Jaylor Stevenson saying rock Bottom
• 52:59
  Speaker 10: is pretty tough. Jordan Everley going on record saying, you know,
• 53:04
  Speaker 10: he knows this is a good team, but we need
• 53:06
  Speaker 10: more will to win games. We have to try harder
• 53:11
  Speaker 10: to win games. And you can you can sense the
• 53:14
  Speaker 10: dejection just in those comments. And you know, again, it'd
• 53:18
  Speaker 10: be one thing, and then take the Oilers game out
• 53:21
  Speaker 10: of it.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: It'd be one.
• 53:22
  Speaker 10: Thing if the Cracking were getting blown out every night,
• 53:25
  Speaker 10: you know, six to one. But these are games that
• 53:28
  Speaker 10: the Cracking are in. I mean, you're on your way
• 53:30
  Speaker 10: to overtime against Detroit two games ago, and then you score,
• 53:35
  Speaker 10: you get scored on.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: With two and a half minutes left. Last night.
• 53:39
  Speaker 10: If you look at the box score yet as a
• 53:41
  Speaker 10: four to one loss, but I mean it was two
• 53:43
  Speaker 10: to one with two and a half minutes until you
• 53:45
  Speaker 10: get the empty nets.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: That the two empty net goals.
• 53:47
  Speaker 10: So you know, for all intents and purposes, Grubauer only
• 53:50
  Speaker 10: let in two goals last night, so he.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Had a really good performance.
• 53:54
  Speaker 10: So that's the frustrating part, is that this system that
• 53:59
  Speaker 10: the Crackinger played.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: And then again you take the Edmondton oiler games before.
• 54:03
  Speaker 10: Nothing in the nine to four out of it, four
• 54:05
  Speaker 10: of these six games have been one goal games. You
• 54:09
  Speaker 10: go back to the Islander game, that first shootout loss,
• 54:13
  Speaker 10: it was a one nothing shootout loss. It doesn't get
• 54:16
  Speaker 10: any closer than that. So the frustrating part is what
• 54:21
  Speaker 10: we've been talking about all season long. The offense still
• 54:25
  Speaker 10: not generating enough. You know, Lane Lambert has been saying
• 54:30
  Speaker 10: a lot the last couple of weeks a month here,
• 54:33
  Speaker 10: I want the guys to be more selfish. I want
• 54:35
  Speaker 10: guys to shoot the puck more. There were a couple
• 54:38
  Speaker 10: of plays last night where Seattle, you know, seemingly and
• 54:41
  Speaker 10: it's easy for us to say because we're up in
• 54:43
  Speaker 10: the press box and you can see plays.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Developed but the Kraken let let up.
• 54:49
  Speaker 10: A few easy shots. They passed up on a few
• 54:52
  Speaker 10: good looking shots. So I think it's trying to get
• 54:55
  Speaker 10: the offense going and like the rest of us, we're
• 54:59
  Speaker 10: trying to describe their heads and ask, well, how do
• 55:01
  Speaker 10: we get.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: That done well?
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: So is that just the idea of you're looking for
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: something that's too perfect? I mean when when a team,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: it's one thing if one guy's like man, I just
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: don't see it. But if the entire team is kind
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: of having that same feeling when they're looking at, you know,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: opportunities and not taken the shot, is that a Where
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: does that come from? And how do you expect Lambert
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: and company to kind of address it? Is it just
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I don't care when it's on your stick throat at
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: the net?
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 55:30
  Speaker 10: I've always personally thought that this team has been historically
• 55:36
  Speaker 10: a little bit too passive, and I mean that in
• 55:38
  Speaker 10: the in the literal sense of the word. This team
• 55:41
  Speaker 10: will option for the for the extra pass rather than
• 55:46
  Speaker 10: putting the puck on the net lane. Lambert he has
• 55:48
  Speaker 10: some very pointed comments about a month ago, I believe,
• 55:53
  Speaker 10: maybe not quite a two weeks ago, and he said,
• 55:55
  Speaker 10: I don't understand. Basically, I don't understand why these guys
• 55:59
  Speaker 10: won't listen to me. I want them to be more selfish.
• 56:02
  Speaker 10: I want them to shoot the puck. You can hear al.
• 56:04
  Speaker 10: We'll talk about it all the time. You know how
• 56:07
  Speaker 10: many times have we seen goals go off of Jaden
• 56:10
  Speaker 10: Schwartz's his body and in although he's out right now,
• 56:13
  Speaker 10: but guys in front of the net. Go back to Chicago,
• 56:16
  Speaker 10: there is a goal that went off of two knees
• 56:19
  Speaker 10: and ultimately into the back of the net. That doesn't
• 56:22
  Speaker 10: happen unless you throw the puck to the net.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: So I do think there is a.
• 56:29
  Speaker 10: Pensions for waiting for that perfect shot, for waiting for
• 56:33
  Speaker 10: that clear lane. Last night, the second Wild goal, Marcus
• 56:38
  Speaker 10: Johansson is right in front of Grubauer. The Wild defenseman
• 56:43
  Speaker 10: lost the puck to the net. Johansson just happens to
• 56:46
  Speaker 10: be right there. It goes off his skate, ankle, stick, whatever,
• 56:51
  Speaker 10: and into the back of the net. Those are the
• 56:53
  Speaker 10: type of goals you have to score. Goalies in the
• 56:56
  Speaker 10: NHL are too good. You're not gonna beat a goalie
• 56:59
  Speaker 10: with a sixth Steve Foot's lap shot from the blue
• 57:01
  Speaker 10: line it's just not gonna happen anymore.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: I always like Jadan Schwartz. I never really saw him
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: as being like invaluable, and yet man, they have not
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: been the same without him. How much do they miss Schwartz?
• 57:13
  Speaker 10: There is a there's a certain calmness about Jaden Schwartz.
• 57:18
  Speaker 10: When you put him on the ice and and the
• 57:21
  Speaker 10: team just breathed this, it almost seems like he injects
• 57:25
  Speaker 10: this sigh of relief, you know, as if to say, Okay,
• 57:29
  Speaker 10: we're gonna be fine, We're gonna be good, we're gonna
• 57:32
  Speaker 10: get this done. He just has this way about him
• 57:35
  Speaker 10: and and and you're really missing that leadership on the ice,
• 57:39
  Speaker 10: on the bench, I think, on the power play, which
• 57:42
  Speaker 10: has been abysmal in the last handful of games.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: One last night, Yeah, they scored one last night.
• 57:47
  Speaker 10: And you know what, after they've got power play goals
• 57:50
  Speaker 10: in two in a row after going ninth straight without
• 57:53
  Speaker 10: a power play goal. So there is a silver lining there,
• 57:56
  Speaker 10: But you're missing that piece, that net front piece. And
• 57:59
  Speaker 10: I think this overall, you're missing a guy who, in
• 58:03
  Speaker 10: addition to the Jordan Eberles and the Matty Veneers and
• 58:06
  Speaker 10: the Jared McCants, you're missing some of that passion on
• 58:10
  Speaker 10: the bench that that the younger guys can feed off of,
• 58:13
  Speaker 10: and the energy that guys can feed off of.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: You're really missing that with him out of the lineup.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Well, Kings tomorrow not exactly an easy team. We got
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: about thirty seconds left to try to end this skit against.
• 58:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah, they've been up and down the last few weeks,
• 58:31
  Speaker 10: but I mean there's still third place in the division.
• 58:35
  Speaker 10: They are on their mother's trip this week as well,
• 58:39
  Speaker 10: so they're getting an extra bolt of jolts of energy.
• 58:42
  Speaker 10: They just won in Vancouver last night for nothing. I mean,
• 58:45
  Speaker 10: that was a pretty pretty wild game for them. So
• 58:49
  Speaker 10: this is the team that the cracket are gonna have
• 58:51
  Speaker 10: to do.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: They have to win. I mean, this is where I
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: don't like to say this is a must win game.
• 58:58
  Speaker 10: I don't like to say that for the All Star breaks,
• 59:02
  Speaker 10: you know, in February, But this is a must win
• 59:04
  Speaker 10: game right now. You're only four points out of or
• 59:07
  Speaker 10: three points rather out of a playoff spot. So you
• 59:10
  Speaker 10: win tomorrow, you're back in the thick of this race
• 59:13
  Speaker 10: and the saving grace for Seattle. All of these teams
• 59:17
  Speaker 10: are so bunched up. I think first place in the
• 59:20
  Speaker 10: in the division and sixth place or seventh place in
• 59:23
  Speaker 10: the division are only separated by five points, so it's
• 59:28
  Speaker 10: not it's not hard right now, it's get back in
• 59:30
  Speaker 10: the playoffs.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: But tomorrow, I.
• 59:32
  Speaker 10: Mean, this is about as close to a must win
• 59:34
  Speaker 10: game as you're gonna get.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: All right, man, thank you, great stuff. As always, we'll
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: be listening tomorrow and we'll talk to you next week.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: All right, guys, take care, see you Actually.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: The phenomenal evert fits you voice of your Seattle Crack
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: and joining us right here on chucking back. It is
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: a cracking ticket tuesdays to be listening every hour that
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  Speaker 1: sounder will play. If you're the tenth caller at two six,
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  Speaker 1: two eight, six, nine ninety five, you're gonna win a
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: pair of tickets to see the Crack and take on
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Fly on the twenty eighth of December. By
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: the way, it was not Banana Rama. I was way off.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: It was The Adventures of Stevie V. I would have
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: never guessed that that sounds like a movie. Yeah, but
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: the but the lyrics were money talks, money talks, dirty cash.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I want you, dirty cash, I need you. Oh oh
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: all yeah, right, yeah, exactly, so I screwed that up
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• 1:00:29
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  Speaker 12: This is college football, and I want you to get
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 12: it all over yourself.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now. Ever, since we had
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: the privilege of being able to talk to Rick new
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Isel every single week of our lives during the football season,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: what nine years ago, I've been pumped every single week
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: to talk to coach new Isel. But this week did
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: oh more? Everges Oh, I don't even know what to
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: do with myself. Joining us now is our college football
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: insider Rick new Isel, Hello, sir, how are you?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 12: I am well? That made me laugh, and yet in
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 12: some form fashion sounded a little disturbing.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna let you know.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: It is disturbing good. I kind of want to have
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: that effect on people. I want to make you laugh,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: but walk away going what's wrong with that guy? So
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: all right, I'm just gonna ask you. I'm not going
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: to ignore this elephant in the room. Are you gonna
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: be the lot? You could say cougar's head coach?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 12: I have no idea. I have not spoken to anybody
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 12: from Washington State. There have been a number of alums
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 12: that I've talked to. I've made a lot of friends
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 12: over my lifetime, to Jack Thompson's of the world, the
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 12: Mark Riffins of the world, the Drew Bloodstone's of the world,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 12: and I've always admired greatly how much they love their school.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 12: I mean, it is a it's a badge of honor
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 12: to be a coup and so there's there's no question
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 12: that there's.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: Great passion there.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 12: And I've made it clear that I miss coaching, There's
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 12: no question about that. So if if an opportunity were present,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 12: its up, I would certainly entertain it. I have not
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 12: talked to anybody at the school. These things go by
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 12: way of search firms and touch. So I'll check in
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 12: with you later if I got any news, but I
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 12: don't have any today.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well then it sounds I mean that you kind
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: of pretty much answered it. I mean you you miss coaching,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: so if the opportunity present itself, you would gladly take it.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Have If somebody here is hearing this from Wazoo right
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: now and says, well, we've heard about that, but we
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: didn't know for sure.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: If he's interested that you're interested in going to Pullman.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I'd be interested. And the other thing that's kind
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 12: of attracted for me, And again this would all have
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 12: to be, you know, talked over, and I haven't had
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 12: that opportunity to talk to anybody. I'd love to coach
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 12: with my son and to have an opportunity for the
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 12: two of us to collaborate in this kind of environment
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 12: and put together approach. I've said this new pac twelve
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 12: that is going to begin next year with eight schools
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 12: that all have state named after him. I can't believe
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 12: All State Insurance hasn't decided how to sponsor this thing.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 12: Because it is all states. That new conference is really
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 12: exciting from a standpoint that you've got eight similarly resourced programs.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 12: It isn't like there's just the elephants in this room
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 12: that are going to run the table, kind of like
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 12: James Madison is in the Sun Belt where they got more.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: Money than everybody else.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 12: Sounds to me like you've got eight schools at all,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 12: or have a chance to coach hard and recruit hard
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 12: and a chance to win, and that to me is appealing.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: I'd love it for you. Of course, you still have
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: to come on with us every Tuesday at nine o'clock. Yes, yes,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: But I mean I envisioned a scenario, and I don't
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: want to make you uncomfortable. I envision in a scenario
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: where you coach the Koogs for a few years and
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: then eventually it's handed off to your son and he
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: becomes a staple there. I don't know, that's what as
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: in my mind, is is that anything that you I mean,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: are you entertaining that as well? I mean not just
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: working with your son, but maybe the new Heisel stamp
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: gets put on that program for your to come.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 12: So the old sing in the country song you want
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 12: to hear God laugh, tell them your plans, right, So yeah,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 12: I don't think we can put the cart too far
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 12: before the horse.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: I know this.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 12: I've loved college football and I miss it and the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 12: relationships daily. I get a heaping hunk of it doing
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 12: what I do, and I love coming on with you guys.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 12: I love the CBS gig that I've enjoyed. Now this
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 12: is my eleventh year. But if I'm going to make
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 12: a run to coach one more time, the clock is
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 12: ticking right. You can see Marissa Tomay banging her foot
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 12: on my cousin Vinny Ports there. So if it were
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 12: to be, I think I'd be really excited about it.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 12: If not, I certainly understand.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Rick new Islas with us, we have addressed the big
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: question everybody wanted us to ask here this morning. I
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: want you to get back and coaching because I can't
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: wait for you to get angry about the committee snubbing
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: you from the tournament.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 12: They played some dirty pool this last week.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: And I tell you.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Who's got the reason, who's got the right to be
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: the angriest in all of this?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 12: Well, if we hadn't had six shows or five shows
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 12: previous to the final one, No one has the right.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: To be angry.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 12: Yeah, no one, but we did. We had five shows
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 12: or six, whatever the number was where they told us
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 12: that Miami was better than or excuse me, Notre Dame
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 12: was better than Miami. Despite the fact, and I said
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 12: this many times on our little hits on Tuesdays, I
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 12: don't see how you do that. The records are the same,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 12: Miami beat them. But the fact that they did it,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 12: and they did it, and they did it, and they
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 12: did it again, and then get to a week neither
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 12: team plays and flip them is dirty pool That that
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 12: that tells us some other operation was in play, and
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 12: you can't tell me just because by you lost. That's
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  Speaker 12: the first time we've compared the two schools. That doesn't
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  Speaker 12: make any sense. As a matter of fact, Hunter Yurisix,
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  Speaker 12: the committee spokesperson, said that they were involved in the
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 12: same pool and they came up with the same solution
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 12: that it was Notre Dame ahead of Miami. So at
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 12: day's end to do that, at the end, I can
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  Speaker 12: see why you're if you're another name fan, you're completely rankled.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 12: I can see why Pete Bavoqua and by the way,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 12: just really bad form for those two leaders, Jim Phillips
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 12: and Pete Bleavakua, to be airing it out in public.
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  Speaker 12: That stuff should be happened internally with respect to what
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  Speaker 12: power is the ACC going to stump for their champion
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 12: and or Miami as opposed to a notre dame, which
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 12: is a huge, huge, valuable partner. Those things should have
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 12: been ironed out, and unfortunately we got to see the
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 12: dirty laundry.
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  Speaker 3: How about the hypocrisy if you will, I mean, how
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  Speaker 3: do you reconcile the idea of an Alabama kind of
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: lais an egg in the SEC championship game? And I
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: don't know for sure how I feel about what type
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: or how much you how much that should count against you.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: It's an extra game that you know that you had
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: to play or you get to play, but you also
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: have to play if.
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  Speaker 1: You're on the losing end of it.
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  Speaker 3: And yet they don't move anywhere in the standings BYU
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: shows basically one thing they're not as good as Texas Tech,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: and that's the only thing that they've shown us that
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: they're not better than so far, and yet they end
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: up dropping a spot and can't find their way in either.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, we've got We've got a super two dilemma here.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 12: We've got the Big Ten and we've got the SEC,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 12: and their conference championship games don't matter. They I mean,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 12: Ohio State fell the number two. Alabama didn't even move
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 12: despite looking woeful, and if you were doing an eye test,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 12: it would have been Notre Dame in Miami and an
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  Speaker 12: Alabama out. But the power of those conferences or such
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  Speaker 12: that they just kind of created a way for those
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 12: games not to matter, which then leads us to wonder,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 12: why are we playing them then? Because all those kid
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 12: teams are doing are risking injury as they get ready
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 12: for the playoffs, And I think what we're going to
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 12: see is a play in game to replace the conference
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 12: championship game, which will be much more fun to watch
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 12: to see a Vanderbilt Texas, these teams that are just
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 12: outside trying to get in a BYU having an opportunity
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 12: to play their way in.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now that they said, I kind of like that. I mean,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: you still keep a twelve team format, but instead of
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: conference champions in ship week, maybe it's each team gets
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: a representative from their conference and then they've just battle
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: it out for a week to see PHIL games. Yeah, Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Rick new Eiel is with us, our college football insider
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: from CBS Sports, of course, former U dub head coach,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: and we've already addressed at Koochs fans, We've already addressed
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: it if you're just joining us. His segment with us
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: brought to you by Taco Time all year long. All right,
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  Speaker 1: So how quickly are they drafting up the new rules
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: to try to keep from two group of five teams
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: getting into the tournament?
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  Speaker 2: Ever?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 12: Again, I guarantee they're crafting something. But congratulations to Bob
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 12: Chesney and James Madison and certainly to John Sumral and
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 12: Tulane for beating him again.
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  Speaker 5: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 12: You know, the group of five. It was Craig Thompson,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 12: who was the commissioner of the Mountain US, who was
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 12: on that four man committee that Ky Kenneth came up
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 12: with the twelve team format, and what he asked for
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 12: was five champions, right, which guaranteed a group of five,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 12: And they gave it to him, and they said the
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 12: four champions would be the top four seeds, which basically
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 12: was appeasing the commissioners of the other four conferences, thinking
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 12: of course that there will be the teams that'll be
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 12: the best four. And yet last year it was Boise
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 12: State from the Mountain West that got the buy. So
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 12: they said, we can't do that anymore. We got to
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 12: change that. So we changed that. But in this year,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 12: with the five champions still getting in, they went past
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 12: the ACC which might have been kind of a little
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 12: bit wink nod not in the committee room why Miami
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 12: had to get in because it couldn't keep the ACC
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 12: from getting anything, which would have been the case that
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 12: had just been left with Duke, which had five losses.
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  Speaker 2: So what we have.
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  Speaker 12: Here is a failure to communicate. But congratulations to the
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 12: Dukes and to the green Waves and fingers crossed that
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 12: they play well, because it will be If they can
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 12: play well and be representative, then maybe we don't have
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 12: to tweak it at all, and maybe we can give
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 12: more access to the little guy.
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  Speaker 1: Well maybe now that you might be getting into the
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: group of five, maybe we just do take a page
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  Speaker 1: out of cool.
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  Speaker 12: Hand Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness, is that a
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 12: thought bubble?
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  Speaker 1: And then so, oh yeah, we'll just take a page
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  Speaker 1: out of cool and Luca, whoever can eat the most
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: hard boiled eggs gets into.
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  Speaker 12: The why did you have to say fifty fifty?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how bad of a situation have they created?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: I mean in Texas, you know, to some degree you
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: have two other losses outside of the first one against
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: Ohio State, and yet they basically it feels like they're penalized.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: They've been playing good football as of late, and outside
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: of that you know loss in Week one, they that
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: put them at to where they finish at nine and three.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, is did you just basically shoot the idea
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: of having big time matchups in those first few weeks
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: of preseason.
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  Speaker 1: Quote unquote that I call it? Is that just not
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: going to happen anymore?
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: Seans how the team that lost that finds themselves right
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: on the outside looking in.
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  Speaker 12: Well, if you heard Stark talk on this subject, that's
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 12: exactly what's going to happen. But I don't believe that
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 12: that will be the case because I don't think televisions
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 12: ares are going to let it happen. They're going to
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 12: force the issue. And I think we're getting closer also
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 12: to kind of like the NFL does, where your schedules
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 12: are determined where you finish. I wouldn't be surprised to
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 12: see an SEC one schedule, an SEC two and on
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 12: down the list as to where you're going to play,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 12: and who you're going to play and how many games
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 12: on the road. I know athletic directors want control of
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 12: the schedules so that they can get as many home
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 12: games as possible, and even willing to purchase home games
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 12: so for their fan bases. But I think we're getting
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 12: closer that the television money is such that they're going
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 12: to be in control of some of that.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: Been saying it for years, decades, and finally it looks
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: like it's about ready to happen. So I am all
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: for that. I'm all about that. I want to get
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: your take on this. I mean, I want to get
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: to the Heisman and a little bit on Army Navy
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: before we wrap up. But urban Meyer said during the
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: Fox broadcast of the Big Ten Championship game that the
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: job Kurt Signetti has done at Indiana is not just
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: the greatest coaching job in the history of college football,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: it's the greatest coaching job in the history of sports.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: That's what he said on the Fox broadcast. I mean,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not expecting you to go that far, but your
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: thoughts on what Segnetti has done.
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  Speaker 12: It is a combination of brilliant coaching and the perfect storm.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 12: It's a collision of a number of factors all coming
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 12: together that allowed for a unbelievable transformation of a program.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 12: Two years ago, Indiana was the losingest program in the
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 12: history of college football, the losingest by virtue of their
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 12: toe tap victory over penn State. They now won enough
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 12: games to put Northwestern as now the losingest program in
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 12: the history of college football. The reason I bring that
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 12: up is just to give you the idea that just
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 12: two years ago they went and got this guy from
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 12: James Madison who'd had a nice little career at some
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 12: small schools Indiana University of Pennsylvania, I think Elon College.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 12: He had left Alabama three hundred thousand dollars contract at
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 12: Alabama as an assistant coach to go be the head
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 12: coach at Indiana University of Pennsylvania for one hundred and
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 12: twenty and his wife said, go get your job back,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 12: and he tried, but he couldn't it.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: So now he's the.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 12: Head coach and off he goes. He brings thirteen players
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 12: with him from James Madison to Indiana and they had
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 12: a reasonable schedule, and again this is the perfect storm.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 12: Reasonable schedule, first year of twelve team playoff and they
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 12: capture the imagination.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: Of the country.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 12: Losing only one game and that to Ohio State in Columbus.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 12: They get into the College Football Playoff. They get beat
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 12: by Notre Dame, but an eleven to two start. He
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 12: now goes into the transfer portal and finds a couple
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 12: of pieces, Fernando Mendoza, who's the favorite now for the
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 12: Heisman Trophy. He comes and plays quarterback brilliantly. But they
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 12: have got great x's and o's, which is where the
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 12: coaching job comes in. And then they get another kind
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 12: of favorable schedule. They win the one game on the
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 12: road and then beat Ohio State in a game that
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 12: really didn't matter, but for Indiana fans, having never been
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 12: in that championship game, having I want a Big ten
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 12: championship in forever, this was huge stuff. And now they're
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 12: going to the Rose Bowl. They're going to have a
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 12: Heisman Trophy winner if Diego Pavia doesn't steal it, a
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 12: Heisman Trophy winner, a Rose Bowl berth and the number
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 12: one seed. After being the absolute basement program of all
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 12: of college football. It's phenomenal.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. Who gets your Heisman vote.
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  Speaker 12: As much as I love Fernanda Mendoza, I cannot shake
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 12: off this Diego Pavia and that I this kid. Listen,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 12: clarkly coached with me at UCLA, so I kind of
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 12: helped Clark get going in this business. So I take
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 12: great pride in his success. Vanderbilt had never had a
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 12: ten win season in the history of their school, never
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 12: and they got the ten wins on the shoulders of
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 12: this kid from New Mexico State who captured everybody's imagination
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 12: a year ago when he said we got Vanderbilt turned
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 12: as they carried the goalposts after beating Alabama into the
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 12: Cumberland River. This is a remarkable kid, and he played
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 12: his tail off down the stretch. So I'm here for Diego.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: All right. So how much of cbls's coverage will be
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: about Rick Newheisel's decision like a Lebron James situation here
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: and the Army Navy game this.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 12: Weekend, I can promise you it will not be about me.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 12: This is the absolute quintessential college game of the year
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 12: for us. It is so fun and it means so
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 12: much more than just what happens on the field. When
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 12: you get down and you get to see these kids
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 12: play with their hearts out, and when you get there,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 12: you realize they're not as big as Alabama, They're not
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 12: as big.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: As Ohio State.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 12: This is different. And I'm not taking away from their
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 12: athleticism or their competitive zeal. What I'm saying is these
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 12: guys have made a commitment to our country and to
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 12: our way of life, and that service kind of feel
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 12: that they bring to the field you can feel. And
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 12: then you see the admirals and the generals and what
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 12: it means in terms of the history of this game
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 12: and the competitive nature of those folks in theaters across
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 12: the globe. I'm telling you you can't wait for that.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 12: Then all of a sudden, we get that aerial, you know,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 12: circus of the flyovers and the Blackhawk helicopters, and you're going,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 12: you know what, We're on.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: The right team.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 12: We got the right team here in America. So I
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 12: can't wait to be a part of that telecast. And
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 12: just every year it's it's a bucket list item.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: All right. So Taco Time Pick of the Week. You
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: have one game to choose from so, who's taking it?
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  Speaker 12: My dad? We lost my dad a year in March,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 12: late March. But he was an army man through and through.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 12: He was part of the Jag Corps. And I got
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 12: to in twenty nineteen, got to bring him to the game.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 12: And he's supposed to leave the sideline after the pregame
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 12: and go up to his seats, and he said, no, no,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 12: I'm fine right here. And he sat on the Army
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 12: bench the entire game and watched it on the video
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 12: board in Philadelphia. I just laugh. I have pictures of him.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 12: You're there with the Army.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: Mule and the whole deal.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 12: So it's an honor for me to always choose the
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 12: Black Knights, and I'll look forward to see and if
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 12: they can get it done. They're a big underdog here
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 12: is Navy's been outstanding.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you, sir, Thank you for joining us. Thank
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: you for your candor. We appreciate it and we will
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: be rooting for you and whatever makes.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 12: You have if I get any news, yes.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: All all right, thank you have fun. All right, Rick
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: new Iiel joining us right here on Chuck and Buck.
• 1:20:59
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