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Tom Luongo on being an American Patriot | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This is Jim Wolfe. The battle
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Speaker 1: of ideas between the time that you and I lost
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Speaker 1: spoke to now we've had a kid and we've got
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Speaker 1: another kid on the way.
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Speaker 2: Oh fine. You know, every time I hear that from
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Speaker 2: anyone at this point, I'm like, Yay, baby's good. Always
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Speaker 2: babies are always good. It's always a good It's always
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Speaker 2: a good. Uh, it's always a good. Outcomes. Congratulations, I'm
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Speaker 2: happy for you and your life. And uh, hope, hope
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Speaker 2: everything goes well with the second uh, the second child.
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Speaker 1: Thanks very much. So I said kid on purpose because
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Speaker 1: a kid is also a small goat, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: That is true. I actually raise goats anymore. But I
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Speaker 2: have a friend of mine who says, so, we're up
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Speaker 2: here and uh, we're developing property and process developing property
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Speaker 2: up here in Tennessee. And a friend of mine that
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Speaker 2: I game with and he's over to south of Nashville
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Speaker 2: and he's, uh, he just got into the goat business.
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Speaker 2: So I he just had babies the other day. And
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Speaker 2: I got frantic texts at two o'clock in the morning, going,
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Speaker 2: she's not milk game or whatever the problem is, And like, dude,
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Speaker 2: I need help, I like, of course, and then so
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Speaker 2: I get to like play what do you call like
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Speaker 2: kind of amateur the vet and midwife, you know, combined,
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Speaker 2: try trying to give him a hand running the ropes
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Speaker 2: on goats. Thankfully for him, he's basically what we would
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Speaker 2: call starter coats or you know, not very high quality coats.
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Speaker 2: So you know, things go badly. It's not he's not
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Speaker 2: had a lot of money, a lot of He's got
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Speaker 2: some time. But you're going to learn, you know, because
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Speaker 2: it's it's a very difficult farming. It's a very difficult business.
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Speaker 2: So he said, yeah, is that why you stopped? Because
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Speaker 2: it's difficult. It's a bit, it's part, it's part of that.
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Speaker 2: And after a while it was a this just took
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Speaker 2: up too much of my time. That was taking up
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Speaker 2: more time than than was good. And I did twelve
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Speaker 2: years of it and I didn't just you know, I
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Speaker 2: was trying, you know, and raising goats and far It
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Speaker 2: is hard, right because you're constantly either fighting too much
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Speaker 2: rain or not enough. And so there's either either too
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Speaker 2: much rain they want to get sick from all the
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Speaker 2: parasite load, or there's not enough rain. The pasture's not
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Speaker 2: growing and they're starving. You're just constantly fighting it. And
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Speaker 2: we were trying to raise goats on pretty much the
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Speaker 2: wrong plot of land. So that was that, and and
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Speaker 2: what I have up here in Tennessee is similar. I'm
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Speaker 2: not going to raise goats up here, not as I
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Speaker 2: get older, because I just don't want to be out there.
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Speaker 2: You know, I happen to wrangle and more people, and
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Speaker 2: it's a pain. It's it's a lot of work, and
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Speaker 2: there's a younger man's game. Farming really is a younger
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Speaker 2: man's game. So you know, my friend is in his
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Speaker 2: late thirties. It's it's good Brandon, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: He's fine. He's he's taking it up when it's about
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Speaker 2: the same age that I took it up. And so
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Speaker 2: and he's also got three young, small, young children, so
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Speaker 2: they get to learn the ropes and they get to
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Speaker 2: learn all the things that my daughter learned and then
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Speaker 2: decided she didn't want to be a part of that
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Speaker 2: it either And you know, maybe they'll learn that or
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Speaker 2: they won't. They'll embrace it and we'll go from there.
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Speaker 2: So you know, you always give them options. But he's
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Speaker 2: he's I think he's doing the right thing. So what
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Speaker 2: sort of goats did you have had? I started with
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Speaker 2: knee goats, right, I started with actually Tennessee Vaetan goats,
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Speaker 2: so my atonic goes, you know, the ones that like
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Speaker 2: fall over and are hilarious. Uh, they make me great
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Speaker 2: knee coats actually, And then and so I started with them,
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Speaker 2: and they were also excellent starter goats for the novice
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Speaker 2: because it's two things. One they're small, and two, well,
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Speaker 2: if you need to go hold of them to scare them,
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Speaker 2: they fall over. And you pick them up and you know,
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Speaker 2: worm them or you know from their homes or whatever
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Speaker 2: you need to do, because you can just like and
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Speaker 2: then they fall over. It's great. And so that was good.
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Speaker 2: And then later on I moved into dairy goats, and
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Speaker 2: and he's like walking right into the deep end. He's
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Speaker 2: going straight into dairy goats. And dairy goos are on
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Speaker 2: an order of magnitude more difficult because you know, dairy
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Speaker 2: animals put all of their energy into making milk not
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Speaker 2: and taking care of themselves, whereas Miko's put all their
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Speaker 2: energy into making more meat, right, and so they're like
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Speaker 2: healthy and buffed and strong and everything else. And they're
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Speaker 2: really hearty, and they're hard to kill, and they're great
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Speaker 2: for novice coat owners and and uh, you know, when
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Speaker 2: you want to level up, He's write dairy goats and
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Speaker 2: then he realizes how freaking hard that is, and so
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Speaker 2: you know it, one is much more exhausted than the other.
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Speaker 2: I will say also, though, that the dairy goat experience
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Speaker 2: is also more rewarding because now, of course you're hitting
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Speaker 2: you know, the milk and the cheese and the go
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Speaker 2: hurt into this and that, and then the very very
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Speaker 2: it's a really intense relationship you have with the with
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Speaker 2: the dairy ane because you really have to take you
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Speaker 2: have to take extra good care of them. Right. They're
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Speaker 2: really they're an integral part of life, and you're an
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Speaker 2: integral part of there. For a daily basis. You're milking
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Speaker 2: this this animal swice a day. You're you know, midwife
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Speaker 2: and their kids, and you're taking you know, all of
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Speaker 2: this stuff. So it's much more it's much different than
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Speaker 2: you know, having a herd of goats out on the
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Speaker 2: field somewhere and you know, you feed them once a
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Speaker 2: day and then every couple of months ago, well yep,
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Speaker 2: it's time you all, you guys onto the back of
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Speaker 2: the truck. You're going to the slaughterhouse or you know,
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Speaker 2: or whatever it is. It's much different experience.
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Speaker 1: So, uh, where I go hunting normally it is actually
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Speaker 1: on this Angora goat farm. But it's a very very
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Speaker 1: interesting dynamic because obviously the goats on one side of
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Speaker 1: the farm, but they attract jackals and other strange predators
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Speaker 1: and yeah, and those strange predators also attract other weird animals,
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Speaker 1: so it's it ends up. It's a very strange hunting
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Speaker 1: experience experience, specifically im parlor and kudoo and I suppose
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Speaker 1: spring book. I don't know if you know what a
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Speaker 1: spring book is. It's a It's pretty much South Africa's
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Speaker 1: national buck. I don't like eating it. I don't like
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Speaker 1: that the same as goat. It's a very sharp taste.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's very gamey. I don't like that.
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Speaker 1: I see, I didn't have that problem with the I
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Speaker 1: don't know the the I really enjoyed. You can go,
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Speaker 1: I had no problem with it.
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Speaker 2: And the oh, the milk was the way if you
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Speaker 2: feed him right, then the milk comes out like brilliantly right,
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Speaker 2: the best milk I've ever had. But It all depends
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Speaker 2: on how you feed them. And I can you know,
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Speaker 2: a little uh little trade secret feed them barley. Barley
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Speaker 2: really sweetens up the milk. It really and then also
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Speaker 2: higher fact content. So you know, we did a for
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Speaker 2: years when I was raising goats, raising dairy goat I
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Speaker 2: was doing Miko dairy goat crosses. So I was taking
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Speaker 2: like my Tennessee fainters and crossing them with Nubians and
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Speaker 2: getting a really again less volume, higher fat content, and
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Speaker 2: these really hearty crosses that weren't you know, they weren't
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Speaker 2: the greatest in terms of confirmation. I wasn't going to
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Speaker 2: take them to the show or anything, right, but they
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Speaker 2: were great family milkers and they've produced you know, two
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Speaker 2: and a half quarts of five six percent butterfat, and
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Speaker 2: they made great cheese and you know, great yogurt and
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Speaker 2: all that stuff. And so we really did it was
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Speaker 2: like the you know, I've I've we kind of backed
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Speaker 2: into it by accident, right on, having a really good
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Speaker 2: arrangement for a small you know, a small family operation.
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Speaker 2: We didn't intend it that way. It's just kind of well,
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Speaker 2: there was a couple of Nubians for sale. We bought
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Speaker 2: them and we crossed them with our existing you know,
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Speaker 2: Tennessee fainters, and we got blah right, and we got
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Speaker 2: these and we were like, wow, these are like terminator goads.
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Speaker 2: These are great. Their dairy goes I can't kill. I'm
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Speaker 2: not if I'm bad at doing this right then there
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Speaker 2: then then they're and they produce really well and everybody
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Speaker 2: really like I never had a problem with like people,
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Speaker 2: not because the milk is excellent as long as I
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Speaker 2: fed them properly. But it really does. It really does
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Speaker 2: come down to you feed them the right stuff and
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Speaker 2: you get the right outcome. Right, that is you use
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Speaker 2: it to not call just a golden guns. No, no,
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Speaker 2: we still keep the goats because it's still the metal,
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Speaker 2: still the same metaphor as before. Right that gold is
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Speaker 2: your savings go to your industry and guns to your defense.
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Speaker 2: So in terms of a portfolio, a portfolio strategy, that
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Speaker 2: that's still the basic idea, and it's it's the way
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Speaker 2: you should really kind of approach your life savings. First,
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Speaker 2: then you put capital risk, and then once you've got
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Speaker 2: capital risk, and you have to figure out ways to
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Speaker 2: defend your initial thesis so that you don't go broke
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Speaker 2: if you're wrong, right, And so that's the way you
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Speaker 2: should really put your portfolio together. I think I think
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Speaker 2: it's a still a good, very good metaphor. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I could probably change it to something other than ghosts
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Speaker 2: and go with games or whatever, but I you know,
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Speaker 2: the coat thing is still cool.
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Speaker 1: So this is your first time on my UK column show.
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Speaker 1: So for those who don't know you, you started out
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Speaker 1: as a chemist, and if I remember correctly, you were
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Speaker 1: researching contaminants in soil and water.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so I did well. I got a college.
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Speaker 2: I was just doing kind of bench chemistry work at
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Speaker 2: the local environmental labs, right, and then after that I
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Speaker 2: wanted up attached to a research group over at the
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Speaker 2: University of Florida because I was in Gainesville. So at
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Speaker 2: the University of Florida, first year working at the environmental
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Speaker 2: labs as you know, you know, grunt labor, and then
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Speaker 2: actually you get you know a little bit of a
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Speaker 2: resume and you're able to figure out how to get
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Speaker 2: into a job as a as a lab manager, and
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Speaker 2: attached a research group. Didapt for five years, and after
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Speaker 2: that we did I did five and a half years
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Speaker 2: attached to the metal finishing industry, I was working on
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Speaker 2: a novel Nickelbora on for a company down South Florida.
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Speaker 2: Did it, perfected it, got the T shirt, found out
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Speaker 2: there were no future products. I was the future products guy.
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Speaker 2: I had already solved the problem. They didn't need me anymore.
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Speaker 2: They moved on. We moved on, and then I had
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Speaker 2: to figure out another you know, in the fact, the
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Speaker 2: second act. And you know f scoptis Cherld is absolutely wrong.
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Speaker 2: There are second acts in American life. I started up
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Speaker 2: life as a chemist and became a goat farmer and
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Speaker 2: that didn't work. And now I do this thing for
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Speaker 2: Elevan and hopefully, you know, there'll be a third act
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Speaker 2: at some point after this is done, and uh, you know,
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Speaker 2: we'll go on from there, or I'll keep doing this
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Speaker 2: until you know, heart gives out and I don't want
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Speaker 2: to be around anymore at the end of the day.
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Speaker 2: Watching a Babylon five reunion panel over the weekend and
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Speaker 2: Claudia Christian, who play upon it for years and she
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Speaker 2: struggled with alcoholism and everything else. Then somebody asked her
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Speaker 2: a question about, you know, how you feel about your
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Speaker 2: time on the show and the work you do and
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Speaker 2: everything else. He's like, dude, I'm just so happy today
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Speaker 2: and I'm sober that I don't care about anything else
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Speaker 2: one day at a time, and I'm like, yeah, pretty
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Speaker 2: much like you know, another day above the roses. Well,
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Speaker 2: you know, we'll well we'll do this until we can't,
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Speaker 2: and then we'll do something else until we can't. In
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Speaker 2: a wookie going it's the only way I can distrust myself. Otherwise,
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Speaker 2: it's it's it's not a it's not a healthy way
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Speaker 2: to live.
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Speaker 1: You were in the pharmaceutical industry to some degree. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what do you make of it now? I mean, the
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Speaker 1: covid era has pretty much revealed what a disaster it is.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's not even I mean I was really not
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Speaker 2: anywhere attached to form the pharmaceutical industry. It's not loosc
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Speaker 2: at ourselves. I was into environmental you know, most of
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Speaker 2: the environmental testing. Okay, I suppose you're right, yeah, yeah, yeah, right,
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Speaker 2: And then I did research. It was attested for a
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Speaker 2: year and a half to a research group that was
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Speaker 2: testing arsenic you know, mobility and uptake and in uh
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Speaker 2: in bioavailability and see if it's monkey. It was in
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Speaker 2: order to it's a mon for human pathways right to
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Speaker 2: see how we actually metabolize environmental arsic. But that was
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's as close as I get that that
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Speaker 2: So I didn't do any I will frank and honest,
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Speaker 2: I'm a miserably bad organic chemist, and all pharmaceuticals were
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Speaker 2: you know, very subtle organic chemistry and biochemistry. So that's
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Speaker 2: not my that's not my bag at all.
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Speaker 1: I mean, knowing what you know now, assuming you have
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Speaker 1: have have evolved in your thinking, would you go back
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Speaker 1: to twenty nineteen?
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Speaker 2: Would I? And in what respect before the whole COVID
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Speaker 2: thing hit? Would I go back to that? I go
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Speaker 2: back to twenty nineteen and sound the arm on COVID
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Speaker 2: the same way? Probably, I mean I COVID never I
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Speaker 2: looked at COVID. I gave it. I gave them like
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Speaker 2: six weeks worth of worth of the benefit of the
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Speaker 2: doubt that it wasn't an operation. And then I was
13:02
Speaker 2: pretty much was. They started calling for global walkdowns and
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Speaker 2: you know, telling people that Iver metin was, you know,
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Speaker 2: the devil. I'm like, oh, this is this. I wouldn't
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Speaker 2: play COVID any differently right me personally, other than maybe
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Speaker 2: I would have pulled my daughter out of school. Earlier
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Speaker 2: and gotten her out of that environment quicker, and I'd
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Speaker 2: just gone right back to homeschooling for the year. But
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Speaker 2: for the most part, like you know, we were in Florida,
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Speaker 2: and during in that time, Florida was never really knocked down,
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Speaker 2: and we were in rural North Florida. I had a
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Speaker 2: choice every morning, you know, if I had left the
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Speaker 2: house right, and I went down my private road and
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Speaker 2: jumped out onto the highway and had my choice of
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Speaker 2: going left and going north up to Lake City, or
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Speaker 2: south and going to Gainesville. Well, one is conservative cowtown, right,
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Speaker 2: I mean literally a it's a it's a way station
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Speaker 2: for immediate place. It's all cows up there in that
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Speaker 2: part of Florida where I go south to Gainesville and
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Speaker 2: University of Florida, where they're all, you know, for lack
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Speaker 2: of a better term, the worst kind of of regime liberals, right,
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Speaker 2: And I mean the games all over. The was down
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Speaker 2: there for the last month for my daughter's birthday, and
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Speaker 2: there's still people every once in a while, you still
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Speaker 2: see people walking around in masks. It's twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 2: That's we're wrong with you people like no, So we
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Speaker 2: just went we just went north to where normal people
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Speaker 2: were acting normally. We just stayed at a Walmart and
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Speaker 2: went to all the local restaurants, which never required this
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Speaker 2: to mask up for anything else. And we all looked
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Speaker 2: at each other like, Yeah, they're all crazy out there,
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Speaker 2: aren't they. Yeah, And that was that. But as a
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Speaker 2: commentator at the time, I was completely this was so
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Speaker 2: obvious that we were what they were doing. I don't
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Speaker 2: think i'd played a differently. We could see it coming,
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Speaker 2: and I guess I be given the benefit of doubt
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Speaker 2: for about six weeks, just to make sure that it
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Speaker 2: wasn't like, you know, I don't know, the virus from
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Speaker 2: Planet of the Apes. Okay, fine, it wasn't that that
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Speaker 2: that this was an operation. I fought with people about it.
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Speaker 2: I fought with my game, some of my friends, and
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Speaker 2: my gaming group about it. It destroyed like what was
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Speaker 2: left of my what was left to my local social
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Speaker 2: life at that because you know, the university was on lockdown,
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Speaker 2: so we used to meet at the student union to
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Speaker 2: my games. Everyone's day that got destroyed and it was just,
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Speaker 2: you know, it was just it was miserable. Actually, But
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: You spoke about going left. I never go left. I
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Speaker 1: always go far right.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, if I lived on the other side,
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Speaker 2: if I haven on the east side of four forty
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Speaker 2: one as opposed to the west side, I would have
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Speaker 2: been going right as opposed to left. All the it's
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Speaker 2: back then right. But unfortunately, you know, property that I
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Speaker 2: have is on the you know, it's on the west
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Speaker 2: side of four forty one, so I had to make
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Speaker 2: our left. I suppose we're right, but yeah, I mean
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Speaker 2: in that respect it is a little backwards right. But
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Speaker 2: this is funny. But yeah, I effectively we were going
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Speaker 2: left to go right and effect going and going to
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Speaker 2: point Z before you went to point B right.
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Speaker 1: So a lot of your commentary is centered around finance
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Speaker 1: and economics, and you have a background in I didn't
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Speaker 1: even know what the right terminology is and archo capitalism,
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Speaker 1: the Baterianism, all those sorts of audio. Yeah, Austrian economics.
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Speaker 1: And I have a history with that too. I've read
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Speaker 1: Rothbod and misis Uh and Hayek, and I always say
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Speaker 1: that Bolton Frieden he was my gateway.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was funny, you know, as funny erm is
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Speaker 2: that is that in many ways over the last five
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Speaker 2: or four or five years has become very difficult for
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Speaker 2: me to become to stay doctor naire about these things.
17:12
Speaker 2: I still really enjoy a lot of things about I
17:16
Speaker 2: still agree with a lot of the analysis that came
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Speaker 2: out of of that's cool thinking. And at the point
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Speaker 2: now I have to call myself a post libertarian because
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Speaker 2: I just I look at where the libertarian movement has gone,
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Speaker 2: and it's gone in you know, it's gone insane. And
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Speaker 2: the same way that kind of you know, rational democratic
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Speaker 2: liberalism has morphed into you know, insane communism right as
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Speaker 2: the elder I got. I get, and I've always been
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Speaker 2: this way actually is to say, look, I'm not a
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Speaker 2: big fan of realigious fundam analysts of any form or other.
17:58
Speaker 2: I mean, I have no problem with people having a
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Speaker 2: religion or whatever, cosmology and spiritualogy whenever you floats your boat.
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Speaker 2: But I do have a fundamental problem with a kind
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Speaker 2: of ideological purity or religious fundamentalism. So I don't like
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Speaker 2: bitcoin maxes very much because they're the same thing. They're
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Speaker 2: just you know, there, bitcoin solves everything. I'm like, Okay, no, sorry,
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Speaker 2: Bitcoin's not God. It doesn't work that way. And the
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Speaker 2: same thing with and really, if you watch the ideological
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Speaker 2: purity spiraling that we've watched in the libertarian party, especially
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Speaker 2: in the age of Trump. It doesn't make any sense
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Speaker 2: the other and then on the other side of but
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Speaker 2: of course we've watched the ideological purity spiraling of the
18:37
Speaker 2: extreme left do the exact same thing. And it's that's
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Speaker 2: a form of of of kind of left brain possession.
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Speaker 2: If you buy the whole left brain right brain Ian
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Speaker 2: Miguil Christ model of the of the human psychology, if
18:51
Speaker 2: you if you buy into that, then it's it's very
18:54
Speaker 2: much just a kind of left brain purity spiraling process.
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Speaker 2: And I'm I'm dude, I'm not there, like I'm watching
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Speaker 2: this is the situation. I watched the Federal Reserve the evil,
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Speaker 2: the great evil of and the ban of existence of
19:10
Speaker 2: every libertarian on the planet. I watched them to fix
19:13
Speaker 2: and destroy the euro dollar system over the last five
19:15
Speaker 2: years or four or five years. I'm like, sorry, they
19:19
Speaker 2: I was right, this is the right tool for the job.
19:22
Speaker 2: And because they were the only ones who could do it.
19:24
Speaker 2: And you know, I famously I spoke at the mess
19:29
Speaker 2: Suit a couple of years ago. And if I've tried
19:31
Speaker 2: to tell the book we're about, We're about to move
19:33
Speaker 2: into a different age, make some practical, real political gains
19:36
Speaker 2: at the at the structural level when they when Trump
19:40
Speaker 2: comes back to power, we should be pre as a
19:43
Speaker 2: as a as A as a movement. If we're serious,
19:46
Speaker 2: we should want to get on board to that, get
19:48
Speaker 2: as much done as possible, and then you know, and
19:53
Speaker 2: take those wins. When you're in opposition, go back to
19:55
Speaker 2: being ideologically pure. But when you're the majority, you have
19:59
Speaker 2: to be willing to get things done. And clearly they're not.
20:02
Speaker 2: They weren't wanting to do that, and they're I'm interested
20:04
Speaker 2: in building anything. They're only interested in for being critics.
20:07
Speaker 2: And sorry, I'm like, at the end of the day,
20:11
Speaker 2: I'm a very practical guy when it comes to that stuff.
20:13
Speaker 2: I'm like, the winds you can get, I don't need to.
20:18
Speaker 2: I don't need to defend my ideological purity at anybody
20:20
Speaker 2: on freaking Twitter. You can like, you know, trying to
20:23
Speaker 2: keep a clean folks. I'm like, really, really, that really
20:28
Speaker 2: bothers me at a fundamental level. It's actually quite outrageous
20:32
Speaker 2: when you realize, like, oh no, we're here in this
20:35
Speaker 2: moment and we can fix things. We can lower taxes.
20:38
Speaker 2: I keep remembering roth Bar telling me, hey, you know,
20:41
Speaker 2: never let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
20:43
Speaker 2: And then I watched the entire I watched the entirety
20:46
Speaker 2: of the of the libertarian movement. Just just ignore that
20:49
Speaker 2: all of the issues surrounding are very complicated. In ancient
20:54
Speaker 2: relationship with the British Empire and with your old the
20:58
Speaker 2: colonial empires of Europe, like, all of that is still
21:01
Speaker 2: right there, and you have to go and do practical
21:05
Speaker 2: work to beat these people. And sometimes you do have
21:09
Speaker 2: to make a deal with the dragon, and which is
21:13
Speaker 2: in this case, the either the Federals or or or
21:17
Speaker 2: the American government or whatever, and make a choice and go,
21:20
Speaker 2: that's better than them. And I need them to fight,
21:22
Speaker 2: and I need them to fight on my behind. There's
21:25
Speaker 2: and there's nothing wrong with saying that, while at the
21:27
Speaker 2: same point still saying, you know, dude, at the end
21:29
Speaker 2: of the day, I still don't want to pay income taxes.
21:32
Speaker 2: I still don't want to have to pay homage to
21:35
Speaker 2: this this horrible federal government. But I need to get
21:37
Speaker 2: rid of those people in order to be able to
21:40
Speaker 2: get to the point where I can then throw off
21:41
Speaker 2: those people. This is not hard, and these people were
21:44
Speaker 2: completely inconcapable of even like fathoming that process. I'm like,
21:52
Speaker 2: what are you nuts? Like, we're gonna we finally get
21:54
Speaker 2: a task to win, and you guys are all like,
21:57
Speaker 2: you know, frankly drunk them off in the quarter. M.
22:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're making a good point there, Tom. It's something
22:04
Speaker 1: that I've noticed in the alternative space. There's far too
22:07
Speaker 1: much focus on purity tests and not enough focus on winning.
22:13
Speaker 1: If you want to win, right, if you want to win,
22:17
Speaker 1: you need to create alliances sometimes that are uncomfortable. Hitler
22:21
Speaker 1: created an alliance with Starden.
22:25
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I we get okay, I mean, let's how
22:28
Speaker 2: about let's make it simple. After nine to eleven implored
22:32
Speaker 2: like Justin Romando at anti war dot com implored the
22:36
Speaker 2: libertarians to reach out to the anti war left to
22:39
Speaker 2: stop the United States from going onto the global War
22:42
Speaker 2: on terror. That was a real thing. And guess what
22:46
Speaker 2: no one listened to her. I was at the time,
22:49
Speaker 2: back in twenty years ago, I was in Gainesville running
22:54
Speaker 2: the electoral County Libertarian Party on the on the executive
22:59
Speaker 2: Committee a state of the LP of Florida, imploring these people,
23:05
Speaker 2: let's do shared events. We would do events around gainsvill
23:08
Speaker 2: Or Like, guys, we need to get together and oppose
23:11
Speaker 2: the Patriot Act. We need to get you know, get
23:14
Speaker 2: you know, educate people about the Military Commission's Act. We
23:17
Speaker 2: need to reach out to the local government, even though
23:21
Speaker 2: they're all Democrats and horrible people. We need to build
23:25
Speaker 2: some bridge with these people in some way to be
23:28
Speaker 2: a practical force against what's coming. Nope, no one's interested
23:34
Speaker 2: in winning. And believe me, the Marxists were just as bad.
23:38
Speaker 2: The Marxists and gains But were just as bad. And
23:41
Speaker 2: you know, there's nothing we can do about. Another issue
23:44
Speaker 2: with the purity Tists is that it creates so much
23:47
Speaker 2: division and it weakens the opposition. This is something that
23:51
Speaker 2: that that Sun Sued writes a lot about in the
23:54
Speaker 2: Art of War. You know, I agreed, Like, I remember
23:58
Speaker 2: going to Liberty. I've said, I've told the story a
24:01
Speaker 2: thousand times. I'm like, I remember going to Libertarian Party
24:04
Speaker 2: conventions and sitting there at the state convention and they
24:08
Speaker 2: want to make one rule change and three hours over
24:11
Speaker 2: argument whether or not we're talking if that should be
24:13
Speaker 2: a comma period or summ of colon. I'm like, okay, guys,
24:17
Speaker 2: I'm we're not ever going to get anything done here,
24:19
Speaker 2: Like I'm done, Like I don't care, like half the
24:22
Speaker 2: in order to like end that debate, like half the
24:24
Speaker 2: people got out of the left the room over a
24:27
Speaker 2: Semit colon so that we would have a quorum capacity thing.
24:31
Speaker 2: This is what we were dealing with with these like
24:34
Speaker 2: Okaysebury boys. I'm like, you know what, No, I'm going
24:37
Speaker 2: to give my money and my time. And I gave
24:39
Speaker 2: my money in time at that point in my life,
24:41
Speaker 2: you know, to anti war and Lou Rockwell and those
24:45
Speaker 2: guys who were actually doing practical political analysis to try
24:51
Speaker 2: and move the ball forward. And you know, at that
24:54
Speaker 2: point they were in opposition and they were good, and
24:56
Speaker 2: that's where they're at their best. Now we're moving into
24:59
Speaker 2: the oppera tunity again once Trump comes along in twenty sixteen,
25:06
Speaker 2: and we start to pay the dividends of all the
25:08
Speaker 2: work that Ron Paul did and they did, and we
25:10
Speaker 2: all did back in the you know, two thousand and four,
25:13
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, twenty twelve, I think culminated in
25:16
Speaker 2: Trump at twenty sixteen. That's when you have to get
25:19
Speaker 2: on board for the big win. That's when you can't
25:21
Speaker 2: hit behind. Gary Johnson running a regional campaign only in
25:27
Speaker 2: states that we're going to help Hillary, that we're going
25:32
Speaker 2: to shore Hillary up it. He didn't run. He didn't
25:35
Speaker 2: run in like to stop Hillary from winning New Mexico
25:38
Speaker 2: and Colorado. He was in Montana and Idaho and other
25:42
Speaker 2: places trying to stop Trump from you know, you know,
26:00
Speaker 2: I lived with it for years, but after a while,
26:04
Speaker 2: I'm like, now I can't I can't look like this.
26:05
Speaker 2: I can't do this anymore. We have an opportunity to
26:08
Speaker 2: change the way the world operates at a structural level here,
26:12
Speaker 2: and we should, you know, and we should embrace that.
26:15
Speaker 2: This does not mean it's going to be perfect. It
26:17
Speaker 2: doesn't even mean it's good. It's going to be better,
26:20
Speaker 2: and better is all that matters. I'm going to be
26:22
Speaker 2: dead by the time any of this really starts to
26:31
Speaker 2: I'm leaving it for my daughter. I'm leaving for your kids,
26:33
Speaker 2: and you know I'm going to That's the way I'm
26:35
Speaker 2: looking at this. I'm fifty eight years old, like how
26:38
Speaker 2: many years ago I left twenty at most, like I
26:41
Speaker 2: might see some of it. I might see us, actually,
26:43
Speaker 2: you know, develop a permanent presence on the moon. Before
26:47
Speaker 2: I'm before I'm done, and we should have done that
26:51
Speaker 2: thirty years ago, but you know we didn't. Why be
26:54
Speaker 2: you know, terrible people aren't charge and they wasted most
26:59
Speaker 2: of my entire life life and humanity's life trying to
27:02
Speaker 2: like extend their system. And I says, what I'd say
27:06
Speaker 2: is it's really a mix of the old colonial powers
27:09
Speaker 2: of Europe. The British, the French, the Dutch to Portuguese,
27:12
Speaker 2: all of them, the Germans well as to extent all
27:14
Speaker 2: of them are of the same mindset. You know, who's
27:19
Speaker 2: actually running things, who's got who's in charge of what vertical?
27:23
Speaker 2: The British are clearly in charge of the financial right,
27:27
Speaker 2: the financial vertical, the Frights are clearly and the Germans
27:31
Speaker 2: are clearly in charge of the regulatory arm a bit
27:34
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. So I mean, when you
27:36
Speaker 2: do the whole thing right, it's obvious that there's a
27:41
Speaker 2: that there's that system is what we're working to evolve
27:46
Speaker 2: into something better, right, And and that's what I want
27:52
Speaker 2: to see happen. And I think that's what Trump is
27:54
Speaker 2: working towards. I'm having to change my entire outlook on
27:59
Speaker 2: how you build a real society as opposed to the
28:04
Speaker 2: one we have in our heads, and maybe we'll get
28:06
Speaker 2: to the one we have in our heads today, you know,
28:09
Speaker 2: three hundred years from now or one hundred years from now,
28:11
Speaker 2: after we've done the sovereign nation state Pamiltonian thing that
28:16
Speaker 2: he's you know, American system production system that he's kind
28:23
Speaker 2: of been implementing. Here, I'm kind of jumping all over
28:25
Speaker 2: the place. But what I mean by this, I know
28:27
Speaker 2: this is this has been in the zeitgeist that Trump
28:30
Speaker 2: is not a free marketeer. My partner Dexter White les
28:35
Speaker 2: call creamsicle miscellini. Right, He's you know, clearly, he's not
28:39
Speaker 2: in any way, matter, shape or form, a free marketeer.
28:44
Speaker 2: He does believe and he has free market instincts, certainly,
28:48
Speaker 2: but you know, a certain level he understands that where
28:51
Speaker 2: we are today need to have we need to be
28:55
Speaker 2: looking at the United States as the family or the
28:59
Speaker 2: community or whatever it is. And yeah, is that collectivist? Well, yeah,
29:03
Speaker 2: the strictest sense of course it is. But in order
29:06
Speaker 2: to deal with the problem today, we either are a
29:10
Speaker 2: country and we are a society or we're not the
29:12
Speaker 2: same thing goes through South Africa or Thailand or any
29:15
Speaker 2: other country on the planet. If you can't defend your borders,
29:19
Speaker 2: if you can't defend what it is that means to
29:21
Speaker 2: be of that nation, then you're not a people, You're
29:25
Speaker 2: not a thing. Right, And we as Americans are already
29:31
Speaker 2: derascinating enough that we can barely stand each other. And
29:36
Speaker 2: there's a good question this, so why we feel that way?
29:39
Speaker 2: Why do we have such extreme individualism as the default
29:44
Speaker 2: good as opposed to well, you know, okay, so that's
29:47
Speaker 2: a default good. And yet we're going to lose everything
29:50
Speaker 2: around us because we have to at some point say no, no,
29:55
Speaker 2: this is our society, this is what we believe in,
29:58
Speaker 2: this is our ethos, and we're going to make that
30:01
Speaker 2: into something real. And at this point that means, yeah,
30:03
Speaker 2: we're going to pour capital and we're going to direct
30:05
Speaker 2: it over here to go build that liminium smelter over there.
30:10
Speaker 2: We're going to build national projects. When you go to
30:12
Speaker 2: the moon. We're gonna do whatever we're gonna do. Is
30:14
Speaker 2: it Is it strictly free market and it's idea, No,
30:18
Speaker 2: it's not. But the question then becomes, what are you
30:23
Speaker 2: willing to give up for your yourself in order to
30:26
Speaker 2: build something larger than yourself. I don't know. I'm really
30:30
Speaker 2: at this moment in time, I know that the other system,
30:34
Speaker 2: the extreme version of that, given the context of the
30:39
Speaker 2: monetary system that we have, the global free the the
30:44
Speaker 2: global full of capital that we have, and the way
30:47
Speaker 2: that operates, we can't keep anything good battering different. We're
30:56
Speaker 2: not going to keep anything good in that. We're not
30:58
Speaker 2: gonna We're going to do lose what makes us unique
31:03
Speaker 2: as societies and as cultures. And I'm at that point,
31:08
Speaker 2: I'm like, Nope, sorry, I'm going to fight for that.
31:11
Speaker 2: And if that means I have to give up my
31:14
Speaker 2: quote unquote hard free market principles, Okay, I'm okay with that.
31:18
Speaker 2: It's like I'm okay with with with saying I'm not
31:22
Speaker 2: in that camp anymore. I'm not saying that I want
31:27
Speaker 2: that to be the end state of humanity. There's a
31:29
Speaker 2: fundamental difference between where we are, where we want to go,
31:34
Speaker 2: the world we've got, the world we want, and then
31:37
Speaker 2: how we get there. And you can use different tools
31:41
Speaker 2: and different mechanisms and different procedures and different even ideologies
31:45
Speaker 2: in the order to get to where you want, as
31:47
Speaker 2: long as you understand in your heart of hearts that
31:48
Speaker 2: you're still like, still don't want to you know, I
31:51
Speaker 2: still want to be left alone at the end of
31:52
Speaker 2: the day. I still want to be able to opt
31:53
Speaker 2: out if I need to. Now, I mean opposed to
31:58
Speaker 2: you this way. If Trump changes the way we fund
32:04
Speaker 2: the government, there are a mix of tariffs and government
32:09
Speaker 2: credit and you know, excise taxes and variety of other things.
32:12
Speaker 2: I have to pay a whole bunch of taxes I'm
32:14
Speaker 2: currently paying, but I don't have to pay income tax anymore,
32:18
Speaker 2: and I don't have to pay property tax against my property.
32:21
Speaker 2: You can tell me that's not a better world than
32:22
Speaker 2: the one I'm currently living in. You know, would you
32:27
Speaker 2: not make that trade? I know I would like I
32:31
Speaker 2: don't have I don't have to be ideologically pure about
32:33
Speaker 2: that in order to you know, get behind that idea,
32:38
Speaker 2: because maybe that's the transition state necessary to go from
32:42
Speaker 2: where we are to where we want to go, which
32:45
Speaker 2: is when we go, Well, we don't have to live
32:46
Speaker 2: like that anymore, because we as humans and decided that
32:49
Speaker 2: we don't want to live like that anymore. We're going
32:50
Speaker 2: to live a different way. But as of right now,
32:52
Speaker 2: with the current crop of humans we have, I'm sorry
32:54
Speaker 2: dude's like libertarianism. M that's true. This is true. It
33:00
Speaker 2: can work for you, It's fine, but realize that that's
33:06
Speaker 2: who's going to work for And you can run your
33:08
Speaker 2: household that way, and you can run even your community.
33:10
Speaker 2: You might even be able to run the community that way.
33:12
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying don't. I'm not saying trust the
33:14
Speaker 2: plan or trust the government or trust any of this.
33:16
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, of course not. But I am saying
33:20
Speaker 2: that we have to get shipped done. You know, along
33:25
Speaker 2: the way, you're gonna have to like decide how you're
33:27
Speaker 2: going to deal with that. And if you choose just
33:30
Speaker 2: to opt out all the time, good, then we're all
33:32
Speaker 2: going to move on without you. That's what's going to happen.
33:36
Speaker 2: That's the reality. People are going to move on without
33:38
Speaker 2: you at the end of the day. Politics is the
33:42
Speaker 2: you know, the art of the possible, not the art
33:45
Speaker 2: of demanding. I get exactly what it is that I want.
33:51
Speaker 1: You mentioned DeVos earlier, and you've also spoken about Powell,
33:58
Speaker 1: who hids up the fit fighting against the DeVos agen
34:04
Speaker 1: In other words, the FED is not captured by globalists.
34:11
Speaker 2: Well, I mean take me through that. Yeah, Well, okay,
34:14
Speaker 2: so okay, So we have to go back to twenty
34:16
Speaker 2: twenty two and we have to ask ourselves, you know,
34:19
Speaker 2: where were we in twenty twenty two? We were We
34:21
Speaker 2: had a monetary system in the United States, in a
34:25
Speaker 2: federal reserve. This is again part of the commentary and
34:29
Speaker 2: the criticism I had of where the Mesa's institute and
34:33
Speaker 2: where the Mesas inspired libertarians went and or refused to go,
34:38
Speaker 2: which is, they refused to be willing to accept the
34:42
Speaker 2: idea that the Federal Reserve was never in charge of
34:45
Speaker 2: their own monetary policy, that the United States was in
34:48
Speaker 2: charge of the value of the maintaining the value of
34:51
Speaker 2: the dollar. City of London was through liboorn so Joam Powell.
34:58
Speaker 2: You know, under Trump, our own Powell end. John Williams
35:03
Speaker 2: over at the New York Fed made the transition away
35:07
Speaker 2: from the United States indexing all of its debt versus
35:13
Speaker 2: versus live order to indexing US denominated debt, Dollar denominated
35:18
Speaker 2: debt and originated debt, and by removing and by changing
35:24
Speaker 2: the the price for future dollars in there in the
35:31
Speaker 2: futures market from euro dollar futures price set over in
35:35
Speaker 2: London every afternoon to sofa set by the domestic US
35:43
Speaker 2: repo markets. You had a had a functional shift in
35:50
Speaker 2: the situation completely, and that is once that happens, now
35:54
Speaker 2: the world has to price dollars based on the American
35:58
Speaker 2: economy's ability to absorb the risk of and and the
36:05
Speaker 2: cost of whatever the Federal reserves interest rate policy was
36:10
Speaker 2: in effect. What that did was it gave the United
36:12
Speaker 2: States control a personal monetary policy again because under libor,
36:17
Speaker 2: and this is where you know, a lot of the
36:20
Speaker 2: criticism of the Fed by Ron Paul and other Austraians,
36:23
Speaker 2: including a former version of myself, were right. You'd watch
36:26
Speaker 2: the process where the FED would raise interest rates to
36:31
Speaker 2: slow the economy down and stop inflation based on them
36:35
Speaker 2: having printed too many dollars. Then they'd have to start
36:38
Speaker 2: cutting rates before they cleared all the malinvestment from the
36:44
Speaker 2: previous cycle, and a portion of that would hang around,
36:47
Speaker 2: which would force the FED to cut too early when
36:51
Speaker 2: they have to, you know, reinflate, and they reinflate and
36:53
Speaker 2: keep doing this game. That's a good story, and it's
36:58
Speaker 2: a very powerful story, but it's not wholly explanatory, right,
37:03
Speaker 2: because we weren't really in control of the system of
37:08
Speaker 2: the price of dollars, the euro dollar markets, the offshore
37:12
Speaker 2: dollar markets were the ones setting the price. We're the
37:15
Speaker 2: ones forcing the FED to cut early or cut earlier.
37:19
Speaker 2: So while the classic kind of Messesian Austrian business cycle
37:24
Speaker 2: argument in theory is correct, again not wholly explanatory, and
37:30
Speaker 2: for that reason, what you wind up with is an
37:34
Speaker 2: incomplete analysis. So that when we shifted from libor to
37:39
Speaker 2: sofa and I back then, I said plat out in
37:42
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, I said, Powell's got to raise interest
37:44
Speaker 2: rates to five six percent, I said six, But I
37:47
Speaker 2: didn't know. I was just pulling a number out of me,
37:50
Speaker 2: out of my backside at that point. But you know,
37:53
Speaker 2: we e mentually got the five and a half. I mean,
37:54
Speaker 2: everybody else is like Powl gets one percent, the world's
37:57
Speaker 2: going to crash, the dollars going to explode, and he's
38:00
Speaker 2: going to be right back down to the zero ballance.
38:02
Speaker 2: And of course it didn't happen. And why did that
38:04
Speaker 2: that didn't happen is because we found out that the
38:06
Speaker 2: United States could absorb a higher cost of capital than
38:09
Speaker 2: the offshore dollar markets, which were much more highly leveraged
38:12
Speaker 2: relative to to the underlying reserve dollars. That existed in
38:15
Speaker 2: that system. So what you wound up with is Powelled
38:18
Speaker 2: draining over two trillion dollars worth of global reserves. The
38:23
Speaker 2: United States could handle it, the rest of the world couldn't.
38:28
Speaker 2: And he was able to go to five and a
38:29
Speaker 2: half percent and hold in there for a year. And
38:34
Speaker 2: now I would argue today Powell's outload is usefulness. I
38:38
Speaker 2: think Powell in twenty twenty six is a much more
38:40
Speaker 2: complicated conversation than Powell in twenty twenty two through twenty
38:43
Speaker 2: twenty five, at least still the return of Trump. So
38:50
Speaker 2: and it's because there's a fundamentally different mindset going into
38:53
Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve is going to now
38:55
Speaker 2: undergo a transformation, which I also thought was going to
38:59
Speaker 2: happen when I first looked at all this stuff. But
39:01
Speaker 2: that was the beginning of this. And so that gave
39:04
Speaker 2: the United States the ability to control the price of dollars,
39:08
Speaker 2: its own currency, get its own monetary policy back under control. Now,
39:15
Speaker 2: when Trump comes in and wants to do away with
39:19
Speaker 2: the Central Bank being the center of the monetary system,
39:25
Speaker 2: which is what he's doing, and putting that center back
39:31
Speaker 2: in the Treasury Department, deprecating the Federal Reserve as the
39:38
Speaker 2: in that role. Now we have strategy, Now we have
39:42
Speaker 2: tenshion right, because like it or not, you know, Hallell
39:49
Speaker 2: may never may never have been on board with the
39:51
Speaker 2: idea that we were going to reform the FED afterwards,
39:54
Speaker 2: that the FED may have just you know, no, we're
39:56
Speaker 2: doing this because it's the right thing to do for America.
39:59
Speaker 2: But he may not be on board with at all
40:02
Speaker 2: the idea of moving away from Achainsian model of managing
40:09
Speaker 2: of managing the economy and money and risk and the
40:12
Speaker 2: money and all of that to what Trump is doing
40:17
Speaker 2: under the moving everybody from Canes to Hamilton, Henrykay or
40:21
Speaker 2: whatever Howard, whatever you want to call it, to a
40:25
Speaker 2: treasury centered tariff and production system that uses government credit
40:31
Speaker 2: as an as as an effect an open checkbook to
40:37
Speaker 2: rebuild the industrial base of the economy. And then you know,
40:44
Speaker 2: raising the lower the amount of available credit from the
40:47
Speaker 2: federal government to various targeted industries based on tax rates
40:53
Speaker 2: and growth rates and everything else. And that's a fundamental shift,
40:56
Speaker 2: and that means that the Federal Reserve then has to
40:58
Speaker 2: have a different role. And that's what Kevin Warrish represents,
41:02
Speaker 2: which is why Powell's now. The question then you have
41:04
Speaker 2: to ask is why is Powell staying on? And I
41:06
Speaker 2: got at least three good reasons as why Powell would
41:09
Speaker 2: want to stay on, not all of them are salutary.
41:13
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this a lot recently, and it
41:18
Speaker 2: is that great. You know, the basic theme from The
41:20
Speaker 2: Dark Knight, Kris Nolan's Dark Knight, right, you either die
41:22
Speaker 2: a hero or you live long enough to see or
41:24
Speaker 2: he'll become a villain. It's probably where Powell is right now,
41:29
Speaker 2: that's one thing. And he's trying to defend the institution
41:33
Speaker 2: of the FED as he's lived in it for all
41:36
Speaker 2: the time that he's been there. For whatever reason too,
41:40
Speaker 2: he could be staying online because he knows he's staying
41:43
Speaker 2: there because in order to pull off the transformation that
41:45
Speaker 2: he pulled off, he had to really make allow his
41:49
Speaker 2: friends in private equity take it off the backside the
41:52
Speaker 2: entire time he was raising interest rates the whole higher
41:55
Speaker 2: for longer policy really did a number on all his
41:59
Speaker 2: friends that private equity who couldn't get him on the
42:01
Speaker 2: phone for four years. Maybe he's trying to, you know,
42:05
Speaker 2: tell him what we're going I'm going to make sure
42:07
Speaker 2: that you know, you don't get lost in the shuffle
42:11
Speaker 2: that's possible. And the third one is that he's there
42:14
Speaker 2: to manage the transition within the FED, to help the
42:20
Speaker 2: existing FED staff and bureaucracy within the FED transition to
42:25
Speaker 2: the new system underwarf The last one, of course, is
42:30
Speaker 2: the most generous version. But any one of those, or
42:34
Speaker 2: any combination that the three of them could be operative.
42:37
Speaker 2: I don't have a good answer for that, but this
42:40
Speaker 2: is the way you should think of it.
42:42
Speaker 1: You're making the argument, if I'm following correct, that it's
42:46
Speaker 1: a turf war between New York money and European money.
42:50
Speaker 1: Oh well, that's absolutely correct.
42:53
Speaker 2: New York money wins, by the way, because New York
42:56
Speaker 2: money is backed up by Washington and the Pentagon. As
43:02
Speaker 2: we just found out in Iran, all power versus hard power.
43:07
Speaker 2: We want to have that conversation. We can have that
43:09
Speaker 2: conversation as well. It's a very important part of that conversation,
43:12
Speaker 2: which is that you know, Donald Trump understands that he
43:17
Speaker 2: has hard power. He's just proven it to the way.
43:20
Speaker 2: He's just made it, you know, abundantly clearer to the
43:22
Speaker 2: rest of the world that we have hard power.
43:25
Speaker 1: But the old does the US have hard power? Isn't
43:29
Speaker 1: Is it not just an illusion when when you have
43:32
Speaker 1: Israel as part of the conversation.
43:34
Speaker 2: No, No, not at all, not at all. No, the
43:37
Speaker 2: Israel's not this not driving this bus. That's a that's
43:39
Speaker 2: a that's a convenient that's a convenient fiction. And they'll
43:43
Speaker 2: get me wrong. I'm not saying that Israel's a part
43:44
Speaker 2: of the conversation, but the whole Israel. Okay, this is again,
43:50
Speaker 2: this is now another like twenty minute digression to try
43:54
Speaker 2: and explain. I'll try and do it as sparctificlarly as possible.
43:57
Speaker 2: I've done at other venues, and I'll do it again,
43:59
Speaker 2: which is to say this Israel is a creation of
44:04
Speaker 2: davosas city of London. Okay, Zionism is a creation of London,
44:09
Speaker 2: Christian Zionists, Jewish Zionists. Yeah, the British Empire in that respect.
44:13
Speaker 2: So now Balfour Decoration, Creed Israel, blah blah blah blah.
44:18
Speaker 2: I understand all that stuff. Now I'm thinking very carefully
44:22
Speaker 2: about what happened on ten seven, and after having watched
44:27
Speaker 2: this play out for almost three years now, and I
44:28
Speaker 2: can tell you that within the first couple of months
44:30
Speaker 2: of being very obvious to me what I thought was
44:32
Speaker 2: going on, which is at the end, is that the
44:33
Speaker 2: British were finally, you know, using up their Israeli asset
44:37
Speaker 2: in the same way that they were also using up
44:39
Speaker 2: their Hamas asset because them in Qatar were backing at
44:42
Speaker 2: part of has And oh, by the way, the IRGC.
44:46
Speaker 2: Now we find out that the IRGC is also probably
44:48
Speaker 2: an extension of many ways of a private equity arm
44:52
Speaker 2: at the City of London as well, and we find
44:54
Speaker 2: out that there are all sides of the on all
44:56
Speaker 2: sides of the conflicts, and a classic right blackout scenario
45:01
Speaker 2: in the Jar scenarios. My friend Alex Craener likes to
45:04
Speaker 2: point out, so when you think of it in those terms,
45:08
Speaker 2: if you're London and you're trying to keep everybody from
45:10
Speaker 2: figuring out that you're the ones say that they're actually
45:12
Speaker 2: driving all this conflict, wouldn't you throw Israel under the bus?
45:16
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you pay a whole lot of people to say
45:21
Speaker 2: it's all Israel all the time? They run everything APAC.
45:24
Speaker 2: I'm at the point now where I watch APAC and
45:27
Speaker 2: I'm like, they're the most unbelievably tone deaf people on
45:31
Speaker 2: the planet, because every time it looks really bad for
45:35
Speaker 2: Israel and or the Jews or them, what do they do.
45:38
Speaker 2: They come out and they say, yeah, we're in charge,
45:40
Speaker 2: we own all of Congress. So I'm like, really, would
45:44
Speaker 2: just say that in public when when your approval rating
45:50
Speaker 2: is like plummeting? Really? That would be like the New
45:53
Speaker 2: York Times coming out and say, yes, our entire editorial
45:57
Speaker 2: board is full of the XCIA guys. Really, okay, we
46:03
Speaker 2: know that already, but would you actually say it. No,
46:06
Speaker 2: of course you would, coorse she would. So some of
46:12
Speaker 2: this is just you know, low quality agit prop, but
46:19
Speaker 2: in the mouths of guys life. Oh, I don't know
46:22
Speaker 2: Thomas Massey, who I identified three years ago as one
46:26
Speaker 2: of these freaking people. I looked at him MTG if
46:29
Speaker 2: the Wells work sent even Ran Paul and I don't
46:32
Speaker 2: know whose payroll they are on, but I know it's
46:34
Speaker 2: not America's payroll. So the thing of this morning, like
46:38
Speaker 2: the MTG, is like buying a five million dollar house
46:40
Speaker 2: in Costa Rica. She's leaving the United States. Where's she
46:43
Speaker 2: get that five million dollars? Huh? Good? I want you
46:46
Speaker 2: know it's this is the kind of thing that you're
46:48
Speaker 2: just like, you know what, why don't you all thank
46:51
Speaker 2: you all for finally proving and taking the mask off
46:54
Speaker 2: and letting everybody know that you really aren't the you know,
46:58
Speaker 2: selfless do good or that you portray yourself to be.
47:04
Speaker 2: So I'm saying that the United States does they have
47:07
Speaker 2: hard power. You're absolutely right. Look, Iran was no push.
47:12
Speaker 2: Iran was not a paper tiger relative to just about
47:16
Speaker 2: anybody else. If they were a conflict with the Russians,
47:21
Speaker 2: the Russians would have lost a lot of assets. They
47:24
Speaker 2: were conflict with the Chinese, Chinese would have lost a
47:27
Speaker 2: lot of assets. I think we have to reconcile. And
47:33
Speaker 2: I had to do this because I was not in
47:35
Speaker 2: this camp two years ago. Reconcile. Reality is that dudes,
47:41
Speaker 2: we have an almost scary level of military hardware, and
47:46
Speaker 2: that we have not actually allowed ourselves to allow anybody
47:54
Speaker 2: to really understand just how far ahead we are of
47:57
Speaker 2: everybody else. And that's pretty clear, because if it wasn't clear,
48:04
Speaker 2: the Russians and the Chinese would have done something to
48:07
Speaker 2: help Iran in the two times that they've been attacked
48:09
Speaker 2: in the last year. When I watched I mean, when
48:16
Speaker 2: I watched the opening salvos of the Twelve Day War
48:21
Speaker 2: last June, I can see the code of the matrix.
48:25
Speaker 2: The matrix was gone. All I can see is the code.
48:27
Speaker 2: I'm like, I had people telling me fears, you have
48:32
Speaker 2: no idea what we have. Russian stuff isn't any good
48:36
Speaker 2: relative doors. It's good, but it's not it's not good
48:38
Speaker 2: relative doors. We can burn it all to the ground,
48:40
Speaker 2: A lost of stuff that they're sending. They're going to
48:43
Speaker 2: sell Iran or Siri or anybody else I don't know about,
48:45
Speaker 2: you know, s y fifties and all the other stuff.
48:47
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure the Russians are very good equipment,
48:49
Speaker 2: but they're not to defend the Motherland with maybe we'sy.
48:53
Speaker 2: We don't want to and we want nothing to do
48:55
Speaker 2: with the attacking the Russian mother and we would much rather,
48:59
Speaker 2: you know, for it's a relationship with the Russians, rather
49:01
Speaker 2: than do you know, then to do this ridiculous and
49:07
Speaker 2: frankly retarded British neo conservative crack that we've been doing
49:10
Speaker 2: for the last seventy five years. So when you put
49:14
Speaker 2: all that on the table, you realize really quickly that
49:18
Speaker 2: this is a massive gas lighting operation that's gone on
49:22
Speaker 2: for over two generations of Americans. You know, I've been
49:26
Speaker 2: saying a lot recently that you know, when you're confused,
49:28
Speaker 2: when you when you're like, look at an event right now,
49:30
Speaker 2: looking to have a line drum, when you see like
49:33
Speaker 2: something happened, you're like, wow, that's really confusing. My first thought,
49:37
Speaker 2: of course, is that when you see something that's very
49:39
Speaker 2: confusing and you're not sure what it is, it's probably
49:41
Speaker 2: an intelligence operation. It's probably a good intelligence operation if
49:45
Speaker 2: people like ourselves can actually be confused by it, because
49:48
Speaker 2: usually you can see right through it. When you can
49:53
Speaker 2: confuse people for three generations, I consider that, like, that's
49:57
Speaker 2: a really good intelligence operation, and that I think is
50:01
Speaker 2: what we're dealing with with a lot of disgruntled Americans.
50:07
Speaker 2: And of course, and I will cop to the fact
50:09
Speaker 2: that I used to be one of these people for many,
50:13
Speaker 2: many years. It's actually what drove me to become the
50:16
Speaker 2: person that I am today. Without having gone that route
50:19
Speaker 2: and then seeing the error of you know, seeing where
50:22
Speaker 2: I was miscalibrated, I wouldn't be able to, you know,
50:25
Speaker 2: have the conversation that I'm having with you today. Right,
50:28
Speaker 2: So you can't like get there just on your own.
50:31
Speaker 2: You have to like go through the whole process. Some
50:33
Speaker 2: people get there faster than others. For me, it was
50:36
Speaker 2: about a fifteen year process, but it was like it
50:38
Speaker 2: was really simple for a long time. I said, yeah,
50:40
Speaker 2: I believe we have really good stuff, right, but I
50:45
Speaker 2: believe that the Russian stuff is pretty good too. Why
50:47
Speaker 2: Because I believe we're lying a little bit about what
50:49
Speaker 2: we have and they're lying a little bit about what
50:51
Speaker 2: they have and everybody. So you attenuate everybody by twenty
50:55
Speaker 2: five percent in either direction, and you come up with
50:57
Speaker 2: a calculus in your head of what the mace of
51:00
Speaker 2: power is. Then you watch the non response from the Russians,
51:10
Speaker 2: and then you watch their performance in Ukraine and their
51:14
Speaker 2: inability to honestly do real maneuver warfare, real combined arms
51:20
Speaker 2: operations and everything else, and you realize the Russians are good,
51:24
Speaker 2: and they actually have a lot of very good defensive technology,
51:30
Speaker 2: but they're not particularly doing on offense. And you know,
51:33
Speaker 2: historically speaking, Russian military doctrine really hasn't changed since the
51:38
Speaker 2: nineteenth century. Throw bodies at it is pretty much the
51:42
Speaker 2: way they've always done it. And this isn't. Again, I'm
51:45
Speaker 2: not trying to be dismissive or anything else. I'm just like,
51:49
Speaker 2: this is what I see. I wish it was different.
51:53
Speaker 2: I wish they had wrapped up Ukraine three years ago,
51:57
Speaker 2: but they didn't, because if they had wrapped them three
51:59
Speaker 2: years then there wouldn't be two million dead slats, you know,
52:04
Speaker 2: ten Downing Street wouldn't be like sitting there counting a
52:07
Speaker 2: number of dead bodies and like gleefully twirling their freaking
52:11
Speaker 2: evil mustaches, like they have been going, Okay, well, maybe
52:14
Speaker 2: if we just kill another million saws, we can actually
52:17
Speaker 2: then you know, send NATO in there, because that's what
52:20
Speaker 2: I think they're doing. That's their calculus. They're evil and
52:22
Speaker 2: disgusting freaking people. And I wish it was over, and
52:26
Speaker 2: I wish there were fewer dead bodies. Unfortunately, you know
52:29
Speaker 2: that's not the case. So because he could have killed
52:34
Speaker 2: a lot of civilians at any point. Kid, you know,
52:39
Speaker 2: every time that they've gone after that, they and the
52:42
Speaker 2: Ukrainians and the British together have done things like attack
52:45
Speaker 2: their nuclear triads, blown up the Kurt Straight Bridge, killed
52:48
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty civilians in the Moscow Opera house,
52:52
Speaker 2: like at any point the Russian's gonna turn around as
52:54
Speaker 2: a nuke. Kievant been fully within their rights to do so,
52:58
Speaker 2: and they didn't. Let's speak to their humanity. Unfortunately, you're
53:01
Speaker 2: sitting here in this terrible choice of having decided, well,
53:03
Speaker 2: do we keep grinding young boys up in the in
53:06
Speaker 2: the dawn Bass, or and hoping that you know, rationality
53:11
Speaker 2: happens in Europe or something else breaks that we can
53:16
Speaker 2: use the change of leadership in the United States and
53:20
Speaker 2: the balance of power between the United States, Russia and
53:22
Speaker 2: China in order to back Europe off. Maybe that's trying
53:25
Speaker 2: to think, guess what Putin's been playing for, and you know,
53:28
Speaker 2: may actually work out. We're doing this on May eleventh,
53:32
Speaker 2: and Trump is due to go to China and talk
53:35
Speaker 2: to g in three or four days and maybe a
53:37
Speaker 2: completely different world by the end of the week. And
53:39
Speaker 2: I and if you want my honest opinion, I hope
53:42
Speaker 2: it is. But you know, you can't really argue with
53:45
Speaker 2: America's hard power. And because of that, we can back
53:49
Speaker 2: up the currency, we can do all of these things.
53:52
Speaker 2: It's it's time to put away the childish stuff that
53:56
Speaker 2: you know, Iran has beaten us. The Roan has not
53:59
Speaker 2: won anything like what they've done is nothing. They've lost.
54:05
Speaker 2: And now they're doing exactly what Ukraine has been doing
54:07
Speaker 2: over a war they lost, which is negotiating for reparations,
54:10
Speaker 2: which tells me that they're being backed by the exact
54:12
Speaker 2: same people that the same people are trying to you know,
54:17
Speaker 2: mong all this up in this endless mid game nonsense.
54:20
Speaker 2: And Trump's like, dude, I'm moving an Ohio class submarine
54:23
Speaker 2: into into Jupaltar this morning with three carriers like cribs
54:26
Speaker 2: in place, like we can start, we can continue to
54:29
Speaker 2: do this, you know, you keep and every time the
54:35
Speaker 2: IRGC like pops their head out and you know, attacks
54:40
Speaker 2: a port or pipeline or ship or whatever like, that
54:43
Speaker 2: thing gets liquidated immediately. They're all single used weapons that
54:48
Speaker 2: around house at this point and the only thing they're
54:50
Speaker 2: actually doing with any of that is every forty eight
54:52
Speaker 2: to seventy two hours or so, they do something like
54:54
Speaker 2: that and order the goose oil markets higher because they
54:59
Speaker 2: believe the HIGHWA prices will cost from politically no different
55:03
Speaker 2: than you know, Britain's argument about how Ukraine should not
55:08
Speaker 2: surrender to Putin because you don't want to end that
55:11
Speaker 2: war legally, you can't sign a peace treaty. I mean,
55:16
Speaker 2: there are other issues and on that front clearly about
55:20
Speaker 2: you know, promises made on rebuilding Ukraine contracts and you
55:25
Speaker 2: know there's a lot of debt out there that's that's
55:27
Speaker 2: contingent upon Ukraine not losing the war and signing a
55:32
Speaker 2: peace deal with the Russians, right, And I think that
55:35
Speaker 2: that's that's a that's a subplot in the Russian Ukraine conflict.
55:39
Speaker 2: That note that you know is that lies just below
55:41
Speaker 2: the surface. But in terms of Iran now, they're just
55:44
Speaker 2: playing this game that they think they can they can
55:48
Speaker 2: wait Trump out and beat them in the mid terms,
55:50
Speaker 2: and he's clearly like buttoning everything up domestically to make
55:53
Speaker 2: sure that doesn't happen. So and from a legal perspective,
55:56
Speaker 2: from a voting perspective, redistricting, all that stuff.
55:59
Speaker 1: So listening to you now somehow reminded me of Andrew
56:05
Speaker 1: Breitbot's autobiography from around twenty eleven. I forget what it's
56:08
Speaker 1: called now. I readed a few years ago and in
56:13
Speaker 1: the tea was talking a lot about going back to
56:17
Speaker 1: what it means to be American. You was talking about
56:19
Speaker 1: the tea party, and it sounds like what you're saying
56:24
Speaker 1: in a in a in a very kind of metaphysical way,
56:27
Speaker 1: is is finding what it means again to be American.
56:33
Speaker 2: I think you're white. And what's just funny, you know,
56:37
Speaker 2: during the last couple of years, so like, one of
56:39
Speaker 2: the things that's that's become very obvious to me is
56:43
Speaker 2: that when people start moving in the personal crisis personal
56:46
Speaker 2: or societal, or when you start moving into crisis mode,
56:51
Speaker 2: when everybody is feeling the existential threat to their way
56:54
Speaker 2: of life, to their perspective, to you know, their economic system,
56:58
Speaker 2: their political life, whatever it is, everybody reverts to type.
57:04
Speaker 2: They revert to their to their to where they came from. Right.
57:08
Speaker 2: I was talking about this a lot a year and
57:10
Speaker 2: a half ago, certainly when Trump first came to back
57:13
Speaker 2: to back to office, and I was watching a kind
57:18
Speaker 2: of a real like shift in the alternative commentary at
57:24
Speaker 2: I also know that I started getting excluded from certain
57:27
Speaker 2: podcasts and other things. But again I'm not saying I'm
57:32
Speaker 2: not saying that like I have a chip on my
57:34
Speaker 2: shoulder or anything like. It is what it is, their show.
57:36
Speaker 2: They can do what they want. I invite only certain
57:38
Speaker 2: people to my my podcast, because I only want to
57:41
Speaker 2: talk to them. You invite certain people to your podcast
57:43
Speaker 2: because that's what you want to do. It's your show.
57:45
Speaker 2: You do what you want. I'm still enough of a
57:47
Speaker 2: libertarian to go, you know, live and let. I'm okay
57:49
Speaker 2: with that right. But what I but I'm so of
57:53
Speaker 2: course deserve the right to note it and note the
57:55
Speaker 2: change of behavior and know the change in the rhetoric
57:58
Speaker 2: and not the change in the attitude, and comment on it.
58:03
Speaker 2: And what I noted was that everybody was worded the type. Well,
58:08
Speaker 2: in case of me, I've said it many times. My
58:12
Speaker 2: favorite movie of all time is Star Wars. My second
58:15
Speaker 2: favorite movie all time is not The Empire Strikes Back.
58:18
Speaker 2: It's patent. I'm an American. I'm an American patriot, and
58:27
Speaker 2: I always have been. I was hated and I was
58:30
Speaker 2: a critic of America because I was a patriot. It
58:39
Speaker 2: was very important. America had disappointed me, So of course
58:43
Speaker 2: I was a critic of it, and it, you know,
58:47
Speaker 2: cluded my thinking, acouted my judgment. It clouded my ability
58:50
Speaker 2: to perceive reality as to what our place was in
58:54
Speaker 2: the world. And I also noted that once Obama was
58:58
Speaker 2: out of power and Trump was come came back in
59:01
Speaker 2: the power and my experience in watching how the state,
59:05
Speaker 2: the deep state, the uniparty wholesced in opposition to him
59:11
Speaker 2: the same way, but to a greater degree because now
59:14
Speaker 2: he actually won the presidency that they did to Ron
59:16
Speaker 2: Paul in twenty twelve. I was already primed for that
59:20
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen when Trump won, watched Obama
59:25
Speaker 2: go into complete opposition. Immediately didn't quite understand the landscape, right,
59:30
Speaker 2: it was more Davos than city of London. Blah blah blah,
59:34
Speaker 2: all this stuff. But you know again, it's it's a journey.
59:37
Speaker 2: We're all on a journey together. When we got to
59:40
Speaker 2: the second Trump term and I watched this happen and
59:44
Speaker 2: there was a kind of break, and everybody's thinking, I'm wow, Nope,
59:53
Speaker 2: I'm an American. You know why are we doing this?
59:56
Speaker 2: Because we can? That's why. Because some no one has to.
1:00:01
Speaker 2: Because once you've identified the landscape, if I've done my
1:00:04
Speaker 2: job well, which is identify the landscape of and the
1:00:07
Speaker 2: array of who is and who isn't you know, our enemy,
1:00:12
Speaker 2: who's our enemy, who's not really our enemy, and everything else.
1:00:15
Speaker 2: I've never said that Russia and China were really our
1:00:17
Speaker 2: enemies and that there are arrivals, and they were in
1:00:20
Speaker 2: opposition to an Anglo American alliance that we've all grown
1:00:26
Speaker 2: up with and I grew up with, right But the
1:00:29
Speaker 2: minute that became man, that was no longer operative. The
1:00:35
Speaker 2: United States started to break away from Europe. And I
1:00:38
Speaker 2: identified this years and years ago. Look, the United States
1:00:42
Speaker 2: does not need to go with the war with Russia.
1:00:44
Speaker 2: They you know, it's clear that Europe wants the United
1:00:46
Speaker 2: States and Russia to fight so that they can take
1:00:48
Speaker 2: over both of us. Which a lot of European based
1:00:53
Speaker 2: commentators didn't like it when I said shit like that,
1:00:56
Speaker 2: and amazingly, after a while I stopped getting invited onto
1:01:01
Speaker 2: their show. Hmm, okay, do with that, which you will.
1:01:07
Speaker 2: But I told them all, I said this, everybody a
1:01:09
Speaker 2: year and a half ago. I said, you're going to
1:01:10
Speaker 2: watch this space, and in about six to nine months,
1:01:13
Speaker 2: this space is going to you're going to watch a
1:01:14
Speaker 2: graveyard of people in the same way that I, you know,
1:01:18
Speaker 2: back in twenty seventeen, I said, there's gonna be a
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Speaker 2: whole lot of people that identify as post Facebook that
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Speaker 2: are my age and older, my age and younger. They're
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Speaker 2: going back like I don't do Facebook because Facebook has
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Speaker 2: become a waste lands, a graveyard. We just kept moving
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Speaker 2: up the sack and there, and we're and we're uncovering everybody,
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Speaker 2: all the way up, all the way up for long
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Speaker 2: and everybody's finding out. We're finding out everybody reverting to
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Speaker 2: type I reverted to being an American patriot because I realized,
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Speaker 2: No America is something special because it represents something different.
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Speaker 2: It represents the only real, durable opposition to the old
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Speaker 2: European colonial powers. And the US Constitution is a is
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Speaker 2: a a remarkable document. Founding documents in the eyes is
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Speaker 2: remarkable in the history of man. No, no offense to
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Speaker 2: my my friend the Amberie Game, who thinks that, you know,
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Speaker 2: it's the Magna Carta and the the English Statements of
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Speaker 2: Rights and all that shit. Sorry, I don't buy that.
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Speaker 2: It's no. We won because we didn't fail. And now
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Speaker 2: we're going to close the deal in two hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty years and we're going to close and now we're
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Speaker 2: going to seal the deal because to understands what it
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Speaker 2: is that he's to him, what he understands the problem,
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Speaker 2: he understands what it means if you didn't see it
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Speaker 2: when the when, with all the symbology, when the king
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Speaker 2: was here. So and that means that for right now,
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Speaker 2: I'm willing to give America the benefit of the doubt.
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Speaker 2: If we fail, it's not going to matter. It's going
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Speaker 2: to be all beings on toast and and sardines and
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Speaker 2: bullets and you know all of that. It's not gonna
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Speaker 2: be gold dozing guns. It's gonna be you know, beings,
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Speaker 2: bullets and body bags or something. And that's what's going
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Speaker 2: to be. Why would I want to like sign up
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Speaker 2: for only that outcome when isn't it better to sign
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Speaker 2: up for a far more positive outcome? I think, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it will be difficult, Gab. It may cost a lot
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Speaker 2: of people their lives, their their sacred honor, their treasure,
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Speaker 2: the blood, treasure, the whole new yorits. Yeah, that's what
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Speaker 2: humans do during times of crisis, and we hope that
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Speaker 2: it's the fewest number of people possible have to sacrifice
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Speaker 2: those things in order to get it done. Okay, that's dope.
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Speaker 2: So that's where I am.
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Speaker 1: So I'd love to chat to you more. By the
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Speaker 1: way the book, I was thinking of bout broad bought
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Speaker 1: this called Righteous Indignation.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. It's a great book. Not read it, but yeah,
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Speaker 2: it probably would.
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Speaker 1: I'm not even American, and I've read it.
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Speaker 2: H Andrew. Andrew was a hell of a guy, and
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Speaker 2: I'm firmly convinced that he was killed.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I think so too.
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Speaker 2: I don't you know, I mean, I'm this is my
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Speaker 2: personal opinion.
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Speaker 1: So all right, So Tom, how can I follow your work?
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Speaker 2: You can follow me over at x slash Twitter, at
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Speaker 2: TfL seventeen twenty eight, where at least the worst version
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Speaker 2: of me will show up every day. Of course, you
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Speaker 2: can follow us as well, and you can support the
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Speaker 2: work over Patreon, slash gold, Ghost and guns twice, Speaking
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Speaker 2: Market Reports, the Monthly Newswriter all that stuff, of course,
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Speaker 2: and over at the Bog of Tom Wilogo, go Tom
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Speaker 2: no longer. Thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Jeremy was good to see. You can to
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Speaker 2: invest your kids into your wife,