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Are the Bears facing a trap game vs. the Browns? · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the Windows City podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You see Alex Shapiro right there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am kind of Davis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, this is presented by fan side it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We were going to preview the bears game against the Cleveland Browns and Browns are coming to this city, the Lakefront unfortunately and the windshield may be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but low below, at least to maybe perhaps 15 degrees of these teams have played and called to whether Cleveland can't get cold in the winter time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like tour and the Miami dolphins are coming up here, but it'll be interesting to see and of course you know you have a team in the bears that are the second best run team in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have the browns that are one of the best run defenses.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've only allowed 200 yard runners.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was dare canry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And last week, Tony Pollard, with the Tennessee Titans, I believe, rushed for like 1-67 or something around that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they're right to a degree when you're talking about a bear team to have two runners that can get the job done in the Andre Swift in the class.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, Ricky Kalmanunga, perhaps the win could be similar to the game in Cleveland
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[SPEAKER_02]: the ball may not be in the air as much, we will see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have Rookie Shidorah Sanders coming off a game where statistically he had a pretty good game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe you have four TDs in an intersection.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the touchdowns was a rushing TD and again, again, we talked about this on our last episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: where Kevin Safansky pulled his ass out and put in Chris on Jenkins to run Wildcat at the end of the game for a two-point conversion and Tom Fullery took place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Alex, your thoughts on the Browns coming to Chicago, people have been saying, this is a track game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't feel like it's a track game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the bears have been playing to their opponents level like they have in the past.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And also they lost last week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think if there was any fear of their being a trap game, losing to Green Bay and such a tightly contested game against a heated rival, you want to dispense some pain on somebody else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And unfortunately for Cleveland, they're the first team to bear as they're going to face after losing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And not losing with the last four, five games they haven't had a loss since the Ravens lost.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So your thoughts on Cleveland come to the city.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's trap game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also agree that the Packers loss erase all of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This also a team that understands exactly what's in front of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Ben Johnson is so far in his short tenure done a good job with his messaging with those players about getting them, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: part of the program, get them, pull in the same rope, all of that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I am not worried about a lack of focus just because it is not the Green Bay Packers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is not the Philadelphia Eagles that you're playing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a team that's banged up or not banged up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a team that is kind of looking for their quarterback, a team that has not been good this season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have any fears of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: scares me the most if I'm the Chicago Bears is something we talked about last week that uh didn't mention off the top that is Miles Garrett chasing history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the best defensive player in the league who uh is looking to set a sack record this season and what a challenge
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[SPEAKER_01]: Aussie Trapillo, Darnell Wright has been phenomenal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be a good measuring stick for Darnell Wright.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, how are you against the literal best in the league?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these guys aren't going to be on islands against Miles Garet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They should have a plenty of help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They should have chippers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They should have two chippers on Miles Garrett at all times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is how disruptive he can be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But even with all that attention,
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[SPEAKER_01]: other teammates.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my question is, Caleb Williams and the bears offensive line have done a good job of reducing sex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Williams has done better at throwing the ball away when absolutely necessary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, the underhand throw fumble into the end zone that gets covered up for a touchdown,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's about as bad as it can get in terms of a disastrous scenario based on a pass rush, but this is a really unique challenge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the bears are going to have to avoid those types of disasters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to have to have a game plan to limit mildes Garrett and that Browns defensive lines impact on this game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, you don't want to be that footnote.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to be that footnote in history as the team where Miles Garrett got the record.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was coming home from Jean last night and and shout to them for having me on Jean sports, but the reason I bring it up is really because I was listening to six out of me to score.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I forget the young man that does the the evening show, but he's out of believe Green Bay or Milwaukee, perhaps really good show too, but he had on Ross Tucker form offensive lineman the reason why I bring it up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and to something that you were just pointing out when you're talking about Mao's Garrett, he was talking, he asked him about Russ Tucker, he asked him, as far as your thoughts on Aussie Chapello.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the things he pointed out, again, we're not forming a failed place, but some of it that you kind of know, but it's good to hear from someone who can really get through the minutiae and point several things out to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but one thing that Ben Johnson hasn't been doing with Frist's, in the game with all of his office of London, but she looked at Jonah Jackson in the down years, he had playing for the Rams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you look at Asit Chukolo, not necessarily being young and being a guy that they didn't necessarily leave at left because he wasn't adjusting as fast as they had hoped he could be, not
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[SPEAKER_02]: that expectations will hire anyway when you're talking about a second round left tackle, rookie coming in, but we see from the bootlegs and the skin, they're not just doing straight dropbacks in the first place to be as susceptible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, in saying that, that's still a mouse gear to the point that you're making.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's still a phenomenal, generational defensive end to say the least.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, they're gonna have to deal with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you pointed this out too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the biggest thing, I have so much of a fear about this game, even if the records were the same, if this was the past, because the bear's office of line would have been much more susceptible to being blown up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but the coaching from Dan Rocher,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Ben Johnson scheme, but also the quality of the veterans that they brought in and don't know right who has still hasn't when he's playing these Hall of Fame players been able to send my nullify them and we talked about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Nazim on our show or whatever, but he's still he's still a really good right tackle and he's growing and I do think he'll get a sack perhaps I'll get a set this to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's going to break he's not I I I I I I I can't see I don't have a crystal ball
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I can't see him go off the three like it hasn't he having the Justin Fields game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to look that up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're you're.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, how many you did you know that they have four did they have six that they have four said like eight man you cut up the eight so everybody else and remember what's that the second game of the season where there's nothing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it was early in the season and Andy Dalton had been prepared.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The scheme was fit for Andy Dalton and Andy Dalton had gotten injured and they were forced to put Justin in and calamity is sued.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is when Justin feels realized he would have to run 4,000 yards in next season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was not practice on Matt Nagy's part.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the second game of the season, the Bears played the Bengals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where Dalton got hurt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And fields came in in the like second quarter, something finished that game and then it was like, hey, Dalton's gonna be out for a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they knew fields was gonna be the starter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they just had an Andy Dalton game plan from the jump that Justin Fields.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, what is this up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not a Justin Fields offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is an Andy Dalton offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was one of the worst offensive performances I have ever seen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In my life, the final score was 26 to 6, Justin Fields completed six of 20 attempts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I undersold it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I undersold it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was sacked nine times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was sacked nine times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Miles Garrett.
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[SPEAKER_01]: had four and a half sacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you remember, man, have a four and a half sacks?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you let that happen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just have five guys block miles, Garrett, let anybody else get a sack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, that was like coaching malpractice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you say you'll get one, I don't know if you'll get two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't even five years ago, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't even five years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He got four out of half seconds to bear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But think about that offensive line that they had.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I didn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like you were, they were, that line was bad from the rooted to the tutor, basically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, so that again now you have
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[SPEAKER_02]: a Hall of Famer in Joe Thooney.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have Drew Dawson who, if he keeps playing well perhaps, you have Jonah Jackson who has been one of the better guards at times and has seen to have gotten back to that standard as he was as a Detroit lion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that again, I must say, look, he's Hall of Famer speaking of miles gear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it could happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't think this line as it's susceptible to it happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There would be a good, do you want to, do you want to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is I don't want to lose any money a little wager, but I mean, I think it's good for the list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's going to get it either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe you can come up with something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to find the bears offensive line from that game because it's just it was probably ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You had to have what was Sam must have said must have was Sam must have heard or was he moved to the center.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if he was hurt, I mean, because very starters, are you ready for this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was very good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thoughts have a chance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was out because he was out of the beginning of the year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You had Larry Borham.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You had Larry Borham out there, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Borham was right there for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was one germane, a fatty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I just close it by accident.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I can remember it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody White here, Sam Busterford, James Daniels in the middle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jermina Fettie at the right side and then left tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember who they called up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fish and fish and then one Castile called them up and he said, Jason, Jason, I need you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, Juan, I got you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Old man Jason Peters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was fishing and wishes he never picked up his phone that day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And look how times are different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, look at look at that mess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They threw out there and look how times are different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't even really want to revisit and go over some of the things that we were upset with back then.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll draft and Tevin Jenkins and get rid of a serviceable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know everyone disliked him, but a serviceable tackle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We all thought, all right, Tevin's going to play right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're going to move him to left the year after, at least.
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[SPEAKER_02]: After you see what he can do at right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, no, we're going to draft this right tackle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to force him into left and get rid of our left tackle who everybody was upset with, but went on to still have some success with the commanders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's a brown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be a toughen Jenkins.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they put them in there like last week, I believe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He got out there because their guard got hurt or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yes, he's appeared in all 13 games that only started one one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: OK, OK, OK, OK.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want so I wonder if he's appearing just or is he the period of special teams?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Special teams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: OK, that's what I was about to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he has a hundred and some will get it up, just because I'm curious, 146 snaps on offense this year, only 42 special team snaps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, listen, still wish, still wish in the best, wish he was healthy here and wish he had kept what we initially saw him tossing guys out of the club as far as a blocking guys into the sideline and it just both of those guys, him and Borom that regressed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now I think that was on the coaching staff and I think I then we did know too initially that there was some maturity issues with haven't even come in from okay
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[SPEAKER_02]: maturity issues or whatever with him not taking advantage of his tangibles as far as his physicality or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so David Jenkins for revenge game loading.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, who cares?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, he's good, guess what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: With this four down Lama, he's got the revenge already.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, like, oh, wait, wouldn't it be out?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It wouldn't even be good, cause again, we were a Tevin Jenkins positive show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It wouldn't even be good though, if he's the reason that they're giving up sex.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I wouldn't, I mean, I need sex, you know what I'm saying, but I wouldn't enjoy the fact that he was getting exploited if, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Giovanni Dexter or Garrett Jared, a great Jared or Billings are able to take advantage of him or whatever, but again, I guess, but regardless, you got a young them protecting a young quarterback who could give the ball up because one of his best attributes is throwing the ball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you got the bearers being one of the most advantageers turn over teams defensively in defensive backfield.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So definitely we'll see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm be interested on when if possible, Chamay netman's will be able to come back with now we're getting closer and closer to the end of the season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, I mean, it's not, I'm not saying something like, okay, and that's some mastery that you're talking, but you know how much the bearers will benefit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, run wise and pass wise with having such a tall middle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, weeks out loud back are now being out there to perhaps tips and balls are intercept them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it'd be interesting to see how this goes, but I definitely have.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'll have the bears winning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have the bears winning and we'll give you our scores, I guess, towards the end of the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What else is sticking out to you as far as the things that you're looking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're interested in viewing this weekend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bearside or a brownside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think you also nailed it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, it is, how do the bears deal with myleskarrit with a young inexperienced Aussie trip pillow?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is, how do they run the football against a very good Brown's defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Last week, all season long really, it has become clear that this team's identity is running the football and doing play action off of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's play action under center,
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[SPEAKER_01]: whether it's running into the track on a running under center, the end around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever, what have you move the ball on the ground is the engine for this offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So against one of the best in the league, how do you make sure that you're still able to succeed?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That you're still able to get four, five yards on the ground on first down or if you're not able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you adapt?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you respond?
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[SPEAKER_01]: the adaptation, the response hasn't been great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been often on, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are times where, second half the last week, they are like, Caleb will just slice him in dice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's dialed in, he's making the throws, he's making the reads, he's doing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there are other times where the bears have not had as much success running the football and Caleb has looked out of sync.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The passing game has looked out of sync.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There have been, you know, he's throwing the ball to a place in space and a player sits down or he just leads it just a few feet beyond that player's graphs where the sinking of the rhythm of the offense, even though he's making the throw to space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's making the throw with anticipation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: they're just off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so that that will be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A can they run?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can they run the ball against this very good defensive line?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if they can't can they come up with something else that can get this offense going?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that I life the way that you put that, um, I still think the running game will be decent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The worst case scenario, the running game will be decent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I should say it like that you're worried in that way, um, it'll be interesting too with the foot with Rome and I mean, I don't, I mean, I, I know it, it, there's a slight chance, but if there's a fracture in that foot, I mean, this is a young player that you're
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the last thing you want to do is create something that is an issue moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'd be really timid with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: rushing him back, regardless of what the situation is right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's, you know, bears, you definitely want to still make it to the playoffs, but you still, you're got to spend your number one receiver in year two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You want to make sure you did take care of him because if one of his wheels is broken, that could be a, that's something that we always talk about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Remember how he was prior to,
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[SPEAKER_02]: word, we're here, we're here, we're here, foot, foot, foot, foot, fractures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have some breaking news, actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three minutes ago, the bears injury report for today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were recording this Thursday afternoon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just came out, Roma Dunes, a practiced and he was limited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Wednesday was a walk through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had them listed as limited, but it's a walk through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like an estimation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Thursday, they actually
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does that make you feel better at all, Kenneth, that he got on the field and had a limited practice?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I thought he would get on the field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, you may just put him on a snap count.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But again, like I said, you have to be timid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I get, I don't know the severity of what he has.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It could be something that you know can't get so much worse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and I'm not a foot doctor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, you know, Dr. James Andrews, as you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: any type of injuries on any extremities, but we'll see, I mean, it helps them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you saw last week that I do believe that that game last week would have been their game if he was able to stretch the field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And some of the things that he could do across the middle, he particularly the deep middle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you know what he could do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And also we talked about getting DJ Moore the ball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, again, you have to put an emphasis on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think he'll get the, he's more chances for DJ if Rome is out there because you know one, we gotta slow down Rome, before we have to do anything with DJ, even if the bears haven't necessarily accentuated DJ as far as getting him the ball as much as they should.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For context for our listeners, Rome ahead of the Packers game was DNP DNP DNP.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he did not participate in practice at all before Packers week before he was ruled out and now limited and walked through limited and real practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is certainly a trend in the right direction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does not mean he will play, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does not mean he will play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what his
20:33
[SPEAKER_01]: after Friday, and we'll have more information there, but it is certainly trending in the right direction for him.
20:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And we still, and kind of a Gordon is still out, isn't he?
20:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe I was reading the paper where they were like, they don't know necessarily when he may be available.
20:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Highly Gordon DNP.
20:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, DNP estimation on Wednesday, DNP on Thursday.
20:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is trending.
20:59
[SPEAKER_01]: in the wrong direction.
21:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't mean to laugh like it's good, but how you how you said it.
21:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Any other players to stick out to you as far as an injury report?
21:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so not necessarily the injury report of it all, but you will see his name on the injury report.
21:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a guy I'm definitely going to have eyes on, Jalen Johnson.
21:19
[SPEAKER_01]: who now with two, one and a half games under his belt, does he look more like Jalen Johnson?
21:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is something that I'm gonna be tracking for the rest of the season.
21:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Can Jalen Johnson get back on the same page with these guys?
21:38
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot was made of that Tom Brady comment, Tom Brady breaking down that one player where he's like dude, you've got to fill the space that Kevin Byrd vacated.
21:47
[SPEAKER_01]: how much of that is rust, how much of that is being on the grass really for the first time in Dennis Allen's defense and getting all of that down.
21:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So as he continues to work back towards being Jalen Johnson, like, by week 17, by week 18, is he going to be all pro Jalen Johnson by then?
22:17
[SPEAKER_01]: blocking dudes down.
22:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, it's, sorry.
22:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
22:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the Browns.
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not necessarily court Christian Watson and, and, and, uh, Jaden Reed.
22:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So got Jerry Judy.
22:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Jerry Judy.
22:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So only.
22:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:30
[SPEAKER_01]: He's, I was a joke.
22:32
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you know, I know you know, I know you know.
22:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah.
22:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so, are we going to see Jalen Johnson?
22:40
[SPEAKER_01]: play up to his capability, which I believe is the best player on this defense when he is fully healthy.
22:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Can he do something to be like, yes, I'm the best player on this defense and just be like firing on all cylinders.
22:53
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, you wanted to talk about the bears playoff odds before we get up out of here.
22:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, like I kind of want to get your thoughts on this.
23:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe we could talk about it a little bit.
23:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this ties in with that Jalen Johnson conversation.
23:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's really interesting.
23:11
[SPEAKER_01]: There's four games left.
23:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I was messing around with the NFL playoff machine on ESPN, the tool that they have where you plug in, results for the remaining season, and it tells you what the seeds are.
23:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really cool.
23:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously with four games to go,
23:26
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, there are too many variables.
23:29
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot that can happen.
23:31
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's an interesting point with four games to go to talk about it because there is a path still with four games to go because obviously that's a ton of football.
23:40
[SPEAKER_01]: There's still a path for the bears to get the number one overall seed in the NFC.
23:47
[SPEAKER_01]: They need some help, obviously, but if they went out, they get some help.
23:50
[SPEAKER_01]: They can leap all the way back to number one.
23:54
[SPEAKER_01]: If things don't go their way, they could miss the playoffs entirely, even if they go to and to.
24:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I was messing around.
24:01
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a world in which even if they go to and to and I forget the exact permutation, but I think it's like if they beat the Browns and they beat the Niners and they lose to the Packers and lose to the Lions and maybe there are some scenarios where they lose to the Niners because the Niners are very much in that.
24:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Can get my own cards picture.
24:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're very much in that wildcard picture.
24:24
[SPEAKER_01]: There are permutations where if the bears go to and to they might still miss the playoffs.
24:31
[SPEAKER_02]: So I can.
24:33
[SPEAKER_02]: They technically the first two at the get in the season, but you're talking about that you split with the Vikings and as of right now.
24:42
[SPEAKER_02]: You've lost to the Lions one game and lost with the Packers one game and so you'd be that you would only have one divisional victory So yeah, I mean again, I will talk about the Lions game when we get there
24:57
[SPEAKER_02]: That's less, you know, how I feel about it.
24:59
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're listening to this, I winked my eye.
25:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, are you feeling it's going to be more of a bearish versus kitty situation as you like to call it?
25:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I will put the, I will not call it look.
25:08
[SPEAKER_02]: They are not the kitty.
25:09
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I'm not going to even disrespect them like that.
25:12
[SPEAKER_02]: They have been playing well for several seasons now.
25:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to kitty them.
25:17
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's retired.
25:20
[SPEAKER_02]: No, for now, people get back to the kiddies, but right now, let's put some respect on them this season and then next year, if there's terrible regression, then we're kidding it up, all right?
25:33
[SPEAKER_02]: But right now they're not the kiddies, but I do think when you look at the fact that
25:38
[SPEAKER_02]: They're they're they're not the same team as they were initially when Dan Campbell took over the offense.
25:44
[SPEAKER_02]: They've been some good answer back with them taking over the offense.
25:47
[SPEAKER_02]: It particularly with making sure that Jamir gives it get out of that camera.
25:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember where they were playing the game before last and they stopped Jamir gives and oh maybe the last game and they've been a gummery had a really good game that game but still
26:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I think the bears, they can get them.
26:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they can play well enough to be able to play up against the Lions.
26:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Perhaps the fact that the down for Lyme could cost them will, we'll see.
26:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And we know that they've been having some problems when they try to have a right now come back, but he can pass the physical.
26:18
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's some things in the, even though our defensive line, I know I'll keep taking shots, but hasn't been able to pressure anybody.
26:24
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but again, I, I'm interested to see, I think that when that game, okay, that was the what the week was about again.
26:30
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think they should make the playoffs, but that's true.
26:34
[SPEAKER_02]: That mean, and that, and I'll say this though, then that lost in Green Bay.
26:40
[SPEAKER_02]: means a hell of a lot more in our, oh, yeah.
26:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
26:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Because hell of a hell of a lot more hell, because it was there for you.
26:47
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be worse if they kicked your ass compared to you were right there with the ability of the score and win the game if you've heard it, too, when they can hold their own destiny.
26:58
[SPEAKER_01]: That part.
26:59
[SPEAKER_01]: That part, right.
26:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
27:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
27:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
27:00
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a name.
27:01
[SPEAKER_02]: You were full control and it's a growing thing, but that part will, we'll definitely talk about that.
27:08
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's interesting to say, Liz, what do you think they'll be able to make it into the playoffs?
27:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea.
27:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's actually going to be a lot harder than a lot of people in Chicago think.
27:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Just because, okay, take the browns out of the equation.
27:23
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to win.
27:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You pretty much need to win.
27:28
[SPEAKER_02]: So are you saying they need three wins or they need, because you said take the browns out.
27:31
[SPEAKER_02]: So are you saying, or are you saying it?
27:33
[SPEAKER_01]: So you got to find at least, I'm assuming the bears beat the browns.
27:38
[SPEAKER_01]: The bears don't beat the browns.
27:40
[SPEAKER_01]: They're in a heck of a line of trouble.
27:42
[SPEAKER_01]: True.
27:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's assume the bears beat the browns.
27:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you have to get at least one win against the lions, the at home, which helps.
27:52
[SPEAKER_01]: The packers at home helps.
27:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And the 49ers, that one's away.
27:57
[SPEAKER_01]: None of those teams are slouches.
28:00
[SPEAKER_01]: All of those teams know how to beat the bears.
28:04
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to feel really, really good, you need three wins.
28:08
[SPEAKER_01]: You need three wins in their field and really, really good.
28:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause even two wins, like we said, even two wins, the bears will need some help.
28:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Three wins against the Browns, the Niners, the Packers, the Lions.
28:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a, I think that's a tough task.
28:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I'm not, I don't, you know what?
28:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I hear you, but this team has shown that they can accomplish that.
28:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, if anybody hasn't watched us in the past, he will be the guy that will be given the better vibes than me and speaking of the past, I want to shut out Mark, who said that he, his transition and watched us in the past and watched us now, so I'm the grocery store, shut out Mark, we appreciate you for watching us and supporting him.
28:54
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think it can happen, but let me ask you this, and maybe you can't remember because it's not in front of you, if they lost to the Browns, which I don't think they will.
29:07
[SPEAKER_02]: But the beat, the division rivals.
29:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
29:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess then they would split.
29:14
[SPEAKER_02]: They would be three and three within a division.
29:16
[SPEAKER_02]: So they blues the Browns.
29:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
29:19
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have a bears beat the packer.
29:21
[SPEAKER_01]: If you have a packer and a lion's the lions, but then we're going to have a 49.
29:26
[SPEAKER_02]: No, because they only I'm saying they split like you said, but the victories of division victories.
29:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
29:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And then do you want me to have the packers win out?
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And the lions went out.
29:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Just follow maximum.
29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
29:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
29:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
29:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
29:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
29:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
29:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Packers beat the Broncos and the Lions beat the Rams and not easy.
29:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Then we have the Lions beating the Steelers at home.
29:48
[SPEAKER_01]: They can do that.
29:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And then obviously the Bears play the Packers and we 17.
29:53
[SPEAKER_01]: We've 17.
29:53
[SPEAKER_01]: We have the Lions playing the Vikings.
29:55
[SPEAKER_01]: They can win that football game and not in this place at home.
29:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It's out there.
29:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Nine is out there.
30:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just off and go in.
30:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we have the Packers hosting the Ravens.
30:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And then week 18, we have the Packers at the Vikings.
30:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I gotta give some other teams.
30:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I think to make this really work, we gotta do the Rams as well.
30:22
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's give the Rams some wins.
30:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's give the Eagles some wins.
30:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the NFC South is gonna matter.
30:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, I'm not doing this fully right now.
30:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's give the Niners bunch of wins.
30:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm having the Niners went out.
30:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm having... Who else did I say?
30:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I said the NFC South didn't matter.
30:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't see it, but, but, but, but here's the Eagles.
30:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Eagles.
30:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, Ram Seahawks.
30:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Who do you want to win?
30:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Ram Seahawks.
30:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Ram Seahawks.
31:01
[SPEAKER_01]: The Ram's beat the Seahawks.
31:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think we're almost done.
31:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm back to week 15.
31:07
[SPEAKER_01]: The 49ers will beat the Titans.
31:08
[SPEAKER_01]: We have the Eagles beating the Raiders.
31:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yada, yada, yada, okay, so I didn't do this fully.
31:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't I didn't do every game.
31:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really get into the Packers and the bucks of it all, but I suppose if either if both of those teams get hot, they could enter the scenario.
31:27
[SPEAKER_01]: So in our scenario.
31:30
[SPEAKER_01]: The Packers win every game except the Bears game.
31:34
[SPEAKER_01]: The Lions win every game except the Bears game.
31:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Bears lose to the Browns and the Bears lose.
31:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So the 49ers.
31:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Chicago Bears will be the number seven seed.
31:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So the way a baby way the Packers at Lando Field in the wild card ground.
31:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I get so, oh, oh, so wait, can you, can you do this?
32:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
32:02
[SPEAKER_02]: If they win against the Browns, but then they only win against one of the division rivals.
32:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Who do you want them to beat the Packer or the Lions?
32:15
[SPEAKER_02]: It would have to be the Lions because then if the Lions sweep them in the division, the Lions have the leg up on them, they're incorrect.
32:24
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't matter here.
32:26
[SPEAKER_01]: We have the bears beating the browns.
32:29
[SPEAKER_01]: We have the bears beating the lions.
32:35
[SPEAKER_01]: but we have the bears losing to the Niners and losing to the Packers.
32:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I did not do the NFC at all.
32:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So that might complicate things here.
32:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to say, okay, Bucks beat the whatever, Bucks beat the Falcons and Panthers beat the Saints.
32:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Who wins between the Bucks and the Panthers?
32:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Right now, well, at Caroline.
33:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say Carolina, even though Mike Evans is looking like he's going to be back.
33:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Carolina it is.
33:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm going to have the bucks and the panthers, oh, no, they play each other twice.
33:10
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to have the bucks and the panthers split split.
33:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, little.
33:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
33:14
[SPEAKER_01]: They split and then they win their other games.
33:17
[SPEAKER_01]: We have the bears beating the lions, but losing to the packers and losing to the Niners and beating the Browns.
33:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
33:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Bears of the seven seed where they will go to San Francisco again to play the 49ers and the Green Bay Packers of the first seed, and the Lions are the six seed.
33:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
33:44
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
33:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, like the more you play with it, you can come up with some crazy outcomes.
33:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, there were outcomes I did where I had the Bears two and two.
33:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And they missed the, they missed the tournament.
33:58
[SPEAKER_01]: a lot, a lot, a lot of outcomes still remain.
34:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And the bears need to keep up.
34:04
[SPEAKER_01]: They're really, really good play that they were doing.
34:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Just a few weeks ago.
34:09
[SPEAKER_02]: What's your score for this game with the Browns come to the city?
34:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Things going to be ugly.
34:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the bears win.
34:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the bears win 20 to 13.
34:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's going to be, there's going to be a turnover to, um, I think the bears going to let me put it like this because the bears may give a turnover.
34:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the bears will win the turnover battle.
34:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I'll say that they'll, that one of their, one of the scores from the bears, if not you, will come off of a turnover.
34:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I think that have been a fit them because I think it could get ugly because of the weather and also the amount of pressure, that maybe the Browns will be able to do, but also the fact that they're static instrument.
34:54
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, everybody anything you want to say before we get out here?
34:56
[SPEAKER_01]: No sir.
34:58
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
34:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Make sure you tune in after the Bears and Brown's game.
35:01
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35:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I did breaking down what took place and what to look forward to as then the Bears and Green Bay go at it again in the city of Chicago.
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