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- Lucas: Luna, I want to start with a number that's been sitting with me since I came across it. The American Psychological Association published a study last year — 2025 — and they found that 64 percent of workers who report high levels of burnout also report significant financial stress. Luna: That's a huge overlap. But is it cause or effect? Like, does burnout make you worse with money, or does money stress burn you out? Lucas: Both, and that's exactly the vicious cycle I want to unpack today. The study actually tracked these two factors over eighteen months, and what they found is that they feed each other in a pretty predictable loop. Burnout depletes your cognitive resources — your willpower, your ability to make deliberate decisions — and that directly leads to worse financial choices. Those choices then increase your financial anxiety, which adds to your overall stress load, which deepens the burnout. Luna: So it's not just 'oh, I'm too tired to cook, so I order takeout.' It's a systemic thing. Lucas: Exactly. And the takeout is part of it, sure. But the more insidious stuff happens in areas where the consequences compound. Let me give you a concrete example. A 2023 paper in the Journal of Consumer Research looked at what they call 'depleted willpower spending.' They ran a lab experiment where they had participants do a mentally demanding task for forty-five minutes — basically a burnout simulation — and then gave them a chance to buy items from a mock online store. The depleted group spent, on average, 34 percent more than the control group. And they didn't buy higher-quality stuff. They bought more junk. Luna: Right, because your prefrontal cortex is fried. You're not comparing prices or thinking about whether you actually need it. You're just seeking a dopamine hit. Lucas: Precisely. And here's where it gets even more interesting for people in high-stress careers. That same impulse doesn't just apply to small purchases. It applies to big decisions too. Another study from the Journal of Financial Planning found that people who report high emotional exhaustion are significantly more likely to neglect their retirement planning. They put off contributions, they don't rebalance their portfolios, they just let things sit. And the researchers described it as 'financial avoidance behavior' — the emotional cost of engaging with your finances feels too high, so you do nothing. Luna: I've definitely done that. There were months where I just didn't look at my bank account because I was too tired to deal with what I might see. Lucas: That's exactly it. And the irony is that avoiding the problem makes it worse, which then makes you feel more overwhelmed, which leads to more avoidance. So the question becomes: how do you break the loop? One thing I've seen recommended by several financial therapists — and this is separate from the standard budgeting advice — is what they call a 'burnout audit.' Not of your spending, but of your emotional relationship with money at that moment. Luna: Okay, that sounds practical. What does it involve? Lucas: It's a fifteen-minute exercise. You take a notebook or a document, and you write down three lists. First, what are the financial tasks that feel most exhausting right now — be specific, like 'checking my credit card statement' or 'deciding how much to put into my 401k.' Second, what are the emotional triggers that lead to spending — like 'when I've had a terrible day at work, I buy a new shirt' or 'when I feel overwhelmed, I order delivery instead of cooking.' Third, what is one small financial action you could take that would reduce your anxiety without requiring a lot of energy. Luna: So the goal isn't to fix everything. It's to identify the biggest pain points and pick one tiny win. Lucas: Right. And I want to give you a real example of how this played out for someone I spoke with. A friend of mine — let's call her Maya — she's a project manager in a tech company, and she was in a severe burnout cycle last year. She told me that one of the things she noticed during her audit was that she had three different streaming subscriptions she wasn't using, a gym membership she hadn't used in four months, and a habit of buying lunch every day because she was too exhausted to pack one. Cancelling the subscriptions and the gym saved her about $90 a month. And the lunch habit — she committed to one change: on Sundays, she would make five wraps and freeze them. That one change saved her roughly $15 a week, which is $60 a month. Luna: That's $150 a month just from those small things. And the energy cost of cancelling a subscription is like five minutes. You don't need to be fully recovered to do it. Lucas: Exactly. And the key insight from the research is that you don't need to fix your entire financial life while you're burnt out. You just need to remove the unnecessary friction and automate whatever you can. For example, if you're avoiding looking at your retirement account, set up an automatic contribution increase of one percent per quarter. You'll barely notice it, and over a year, that compounds. Luna: And there's also the flip side — when you start feeling better, you might swing too hard in the other direction. I've seen people who recover from burnout and then go on a spending spree because they feel like they 'deserve it.' Lucas: That's a real phenomenon. It's called the 'recovery splurge.' Behavioral economist Richard Thaler has written about it — after a period of deprivation or stress, people tend to overcompensate. So part of the burnout audit should also include a plan for what you'll do when you start feeling better. Not in a restrictive way, but just being aware that the urge to splurge is normal and you can give yourself a budget for it. Luna: That reminds me of something I read in Dan Ariely's book — he talks about how we make worse decisions at the end of the day when our energy is low. So if you're burnt out, you're basically operating at 'end of day' mental state all the time. Lucas: Exactly. And that's why the timing of financial decisions matters so much. If you're going to make a big purchase or a career decision that has financial implications, do it in the morning after a good night's sleep, not at nine p.m. after a twelve-hour workday. Luna: Alright, so if someone listening wants to do this burnout audit today, what's the first step? Lucas: First step: set a timer for fifteen minutes. Get a piece of paper. Write down the three lists I mentioned. Don't try to change anything yet. Just observe. The awareness alone can reduce the anxiety. Then, from the third list — the one small action — pick one thing and do it tomorrow morning. That's it. Luna: I like that. It's almost like a financial first-aid kit for burnout. Lucas: Yeah. And you know, this whole show — if it's helped you think through your own burnout, or if you've tried the audit and it made a difference — we keep it ad-free, and it runs because listeners chip in small amounts. A couple of dollars a month genuinely covers the hosting costs and keeps us going. If you've gotten value from these episodes, you can find us at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Luna: Yeah, it's a small thing, but it makes a real difference for us. And we appreciate every bit of support. Lucas: So back to the audit — if you do it, I'd love to hear what you find. There's something empowering about seeing those small leaks and realizing you can plug them without huge effort. And over time, that sense of control starts to rebuild the energy you lost. Luna: And the money you save can go toward something that actually supports your recovery — like a massage, or a weekend away, or just a nicer takeout meal where you don't feel guilty. Lucas: Exactly. Because recovery isn't just about rest. It's about removing the hidden drains — including the ones in your bank account.