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- 0:08Hi, I'm Danny Tan and if you are here, you are in the right
- 0:11place. Welcome to the Pivot and
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- 0:14We say forget the rules because they weren't written for us.
- 0:17I'm Danny Tan, I'm your host as well as career and leadership
- 0:20coach and a proud advocate for redefining what success and
- 0:23leadership looks like. And here's what I know.
- 0:25You can lead at any level, You can pivot at any age, and you
- 0:29can make moves. Does that feel right for you?
- 0:31Whether you're climbing the perfect ladder, starting
- 0:33something completely new, or just figuring out your next
- 0:35step, I've got you. Covered with strategies.
- 0:37Stories and straight up inspiration.
- 0:39So let's make some moves. Hello, how are you today?
- 0:47So we're going to be talking about how to use AI tools to get
- 0:50unstuck and land interviews and in all honesty, just help you
- 0:54with your job search. So today we're going to talk
- 0:57about a couple of things of how AI alone is not a job search
- 1:01strategy. Like there has to be things that
- 1:03get paired with it, the right or maybe appropriate ways that you
- 1:06can utilize it for your job search.
- 1:08It's not going to replace like anything that you're doing
- 1:11solely, but it will help be like an aid and supportive.
- 1:14And then ultimately, like how my clients right now in coaching
- 1:16are using AI because I actually bring up a lot of AI tools
- 1:20within coaching to help them just to not only streamline the
- 1:23job search, not only to get interviews or to get on stock.
- 1:26But in all honesty, it's good for you to have these as a
- 1:29resource, as tools that you can use for yourself in your life,
- 1:32in your professional life. And so it's just something to
- 1:34learn how to integrate, no matter what your stance is when
- 1:37it comes to it. It's just always good to have
- 1:39understanding of a different perspective.
- 1:41And whether you decided before with it or not, why not learn
- 1:44something new and see where it comes up for you.
- 1:46So let's go ahead and jump in. So for the first section of
- 1:51this, it's going to be how AI alone is not a job for strategy.
- 1:55I just want to reiterate that. So saying that you use like claw
- 1:59ChatGPT, Gemini, you know, any of these tools that are out
- 2:02there like that solely will not create a strategy for you.
- 2:05It's a tool that you can use. And so a lot of folks will say,
- 2:09Oh, you know, well, I just feel like I'm being so productive
- 2:12because I'm going back and forth with my chatty Jeeves, like I'm
- 2:15in ChatGPT all day. Or they're using different tools
- 2:18to look at their resume matching or write their resumes.
- 2:20But here's the biggest thing is that they're still stuck.
- 2:23So a lot of the times they're coming to me and they're saying
- 2:26either they've never used AI before or they've only used it
- 2:28like very lightly, or they're like deep diving have like
- 2:31besties with their, their AI, which don't get me wrong, I am
- 2:35too. And they're just in there, but
- 2:38they're not seeing any like a movement happen for themselves
- 2:41when it comes to their job search.
- 2:42So like, for example, maybe they're unclear on what their
- 2:44next step should be and they're trying to go back and forth with
- 2:47ChatGPT to get some prompts and ideas of how to narrow down
- 2:49their search. And so they'll still get stuck
- 2:52and they're just going to be stuck in the research mode for a
- 2:54long period of time. Or they're constantly tweaking
- 2:58and like adjusting and tinkering with their resume and, and they
- 3:01just have never finished it because there's always something
- 3:03more to do. It doesn't perfectly match, not
- 3:05perfectly, this, this and that. And so there could be a way
- 3:08where it could just keep you stuck in research mode and
- 3:12iteration mode, which is why I say it's not a strategy.
- 3:16It's just more of a tool. And so just to let you know that
- 3:18AI, it can give you some ideas, but it's not going to give you
- 3:22clear clarity and direction if you don't have any already.
- 3:26So it amplifies whatever clarity or confusion you already bring
- 3:29to it. So if you're like confused about
- 3:31your career path, if you're confused on what your
- 3:34transferable skills, if you're confused on how to pitch
- 3:36yourself, sure, it can give you some guidelines and ideas, but
- 3:39ultimately it's not going to be a strategy for you.
- 3:41So just to make sure that as you're using it, you're
- 3:45cognizant and aware that it's more so for like ideas,
- 3:49inspiration, like riffs, iteration than it is to give you
- 3:53a concrete example of what is going to be possible for you.
- 3:57It's always good to have either an outline, a plan or a strategy
- 4:00for yourself or work with somebody else and kind of help
- 4:02keep that, keep that those guardrails there for you because
- 4:06I think that's really important. So without it, you're going to
- 4:10get some really generic results, things that sound like everybody
- 4:13else and that's going to show up in your applications, which we
- 4:15do not want. So just knowing that it's more
- 4:16of like a tool than it is anything else.
- 4:19So for example, I had one client and she was using ChatGPT to
- 4:24write her resume, to write her cover letters.
- 4:26And she was just like, I'm just not getting any interviews.
- 4:29I'm using it, I'm customizing my resume every single time.
- 4:31And so the biggest thing that I realized was that when I was
- 4:34looking at her resume and I was looking at her jobs that she was
- 4:39applying for. So I always ask giving your
- 4:41resume a job description that you want to apply for.
- 4:42Let me review them and see how they're matching from like a
- 4:46human perspective, right? Like me scanning through it
- 4:48versus only solely looking to see what like the the Resi match
- 4:51says. And so when I was noticing it, I
- 4:53was like, yeah, the words are peppered in there, but it does
- 4:56not have like a seamless story. And so for example, like a lot
- 4:59of the keywords that were in the job descriptions were in the
- 5:01resume, but it didn't make a cohesive story for what her
- 5:05overall goal was. So she's pivoting careers,
- 5:07right? She's going from being in retail
- 5:10to working in digital, but it's not showing that transition of
- 5:13the pivot that she's trying to make.
- 5:15It's just literally peppering in the words.
- 5:17And so that was one thing that I saw that was coming up and it
- 5:20was like, OK, how can we in your summary talk about that change
- 5:23that you're making? How come within our bullets, we
- 5:25kind of really focus in and layer in like the storytelling
- 5:29of how you have already done and worked with the cross functional
- 5:32digital people in those spaces within your retail space.
- 5:36And so that's the stuff that you're not going to get from
- 5:39just asking ChatGPT to make your resume have an ATS match to the
- 5:44job description. It's also about being able to
- 5:45tell those stories in that piece too, and then also laying into
- 5:48your cover letter, right? So how can you talk about those
- 5:50things? So ChatGPT like, you know, it
- 5:53amplifies whatever you submit it.
- 5:55So if you're amplifying something that's a little bit
- 5:56unclear, a little bit unsure, it's going to be riffing off of
- 5:59that too, right? And so it's just good to have
- 6:02some direction and perspective of how it can help.
- 6:04And so that's where I was helping her to improve her
- 6:08prompts. So how she was prompting her AI,
- 6:12what kind of clarity and direction she needed in order to
- 6:14prompt it to get better results, in order to then ultimately have
- 6:18it be stronger. And so she made those tweaks and
- 6:19she was getting way more callbacks and interviews in
- 6:22general from just making those changes of like this truly has a
- 6:24POV of what it is that you're going for.
- 6:26So a reflection of prompt that I have for you is like, what
- 6:29tools, you know, where are you using tools to avoid the real
- 6:34clarity work? So for example, you're kind of
- 6:36like, no, no, no, like I'm just going to keep, you know, doing
- 6:39an assessment or, or asking questions in trash GBT and it's
- 6:42going to help me figure out my career pivot or I'm just going
- 6:44to keep using trash GBT and it's going to it's going to help me
- 6:46figure out, you know, how to do my resume.
- 6:49I'm curious of like, what tool are you using to avoid maybe
- 6:52sitting down and actually putting a strategy in place and
- 6:55a plan in place. I always talk to my clients
- 6:56about we get stuck in research mode.
- 7:00You're doing so much research of like asking the same questions,
- 7:03trying to look at it at different angles, trying to get
- 7:05different information, Googling online, going to AI, asking
- 7:09whoever. And I'm always curious of like,
- 7:11what different tools are you trying to like utilize?
- 7:15But in reality, you just sit down and create a strategy in
- 7:18order to implement. So curious about that.
- 7:19So the first part is, I just want to emphasize that like, I'm
- 7:22all for utilizing these tools, making the process easier, but
- 7:26to know that it alone will not be enough for any of us, for any
- 7:31of us. Whether it's you're building a
- 7:32business, whether it is you are looking for a new job, whether
- 7:35it is you're working on your leadership, None of these tools
- 7:37can solely do it on its own. So let's go to #2 which is the
- 7:40way that you can use AI for your job search for your business in
- 7:44general. So again, it it's going to
- 7:46amplify your clarity is not going to replace that.
- 7:50And so the biggest things are, is how can it streamline for
- 7:54you? So I'll talk about how I use it
- 7:55within coaching. So, you know, we are in like
- 7:58year 3/4 of coaching. And the biggest thing that I saw
- 8:01was folks at first were like, didn't know what to do with AI
- 8:05nervous about it. Then some people are taking a
- 8:07really strong stance, like diving all the way in.
- 8:09Some folks feel like it's going to replace their job.
- 8:10Folks, some folks feel like, you know, I don't want to do
- 8:14anything to do with it versus I need to learn it, but I'm really
- 8:16overwhelmed. And here's the thing I would
- 8:17tell you is for me, it comes down to this.
- 8:21If it is a tool that's going to help you become more efficient
- 8:26or faster at things that maybe feel like daunting, menial,
- 8:32overwhelming, and you can use it to speed up those processes of
- 8:36the of the search, then that creates more time and space for
- 8:39you to use your brain and, and on bigger power problems.
- 8:43So here's an example. For example, if you are
- 8:46constantly sitting there trying to customize every single resume
- 8:49on your own, that takes way more time versus getting a version 1
- 8:54of it using ChatGPT or whatever AI you use, doing a version 1
- 9:00with AI to just give you a baseline and then you could
- 9:03enter it off of it and put your and put your like personality
- 9:06into it. I think the biggest thing is
- 9:07that people get stuck in job search in general.
- 9:11If it's your resume, if it's your cover letter, if it's
- 9:13setting a networking chat message, if it's writing an
- 9:17e-mail to someone, if it's creating a presentation, people
- 9:20get so stuck with I don't know where to start, the
- 9:24perfectionism. Do I have everything that I
- 9:27need? And so they don't even start.
- 9:29And So what will happen is when they're going through the job
- 9:33search, whether it's with a coach or on their own, they may
- 9:36start with Part 1. Well, I don't even know what to
- 9:39apply to. I don't even know what jobs are
- 9:41out there for me. I want to do something
- 9:42completely different. I have no idea what I want to
- 9:44do, where to start, what my skills are that are
- 9:48transferable. And so I used to spend numerous
- 9:51coaching calls with clients doing all these different
- 9:54exercises of how to narrow down what their potential roles could
- 9:57be. And so, you know, doing that
- 10:01like in the traditional sense of figure out they're non
- 10:04negotiables, they are what's important to them and their
- 10:06priorities, figure out what their skill sets are doing all
- 10:08that stuff. I actually ended up making that
- 10:10become a much shorter process by utilizing AI.
- 10:12So my coaching clients who are looking to do career pivots, I
- 10:15actually have specific exercises for them that they do that will
- 10:19help them narrow down what their transferable skills are, what
- 10:23their potential path they could pursue.
- 10:26And then that's where we start. So the first is it before taking
- 10:29multiple sessions of, you know, digging and trying to find the
- 10:32stuff. We've, we've actually expedited
- 10:34it so much more for them. So for example, I have one
- 10:37client, like after session one, she was like, OK, I know what
- 10:41path I want to pursue. It was like ready to go.
- 10:43So in session two, we were talking about getting the resume
- 10:46rewritten, the LinkedIn redone and getting their cover letter
- 10:49redone. Great.
- 10:50Again, we're going to use different prompts and exercises
- 10:53that I've created within this system of what helps them get
- 10:57their resume and their cover limit and LinkedIn done faster.
- 11:01And so we now have different prompts that I support them with
- 11:04when it comes to using AI in order to make those and make
- 11:08them better. And so for example, for the
- 11:09LinkedIn, I have some folks who they're pursuing a, a new job,
- 11:13but they're also building their side business.
- 11:14So now we've talked about how to bridge together those two
- 11:17identities of their side business as well as the job
- 11:20they're pursuing. So it shows up within their
- 11:22LinkedIn. We also have done the same thing
- 11:24for their resume. How do we make a version resume
- 11:27A and B some. I have some who are pursuing two
- 11:29different paths. 1 is pursuing sales roles, the other one is
- 11:33going to pursue marketing roles. So they're like, OK, if I want
- 11:35to pursue both those roles at the same time, We've created
- 11:38delivery packages for them for sales and marketing.
- 11:40And we did that so much faster than if we were doing it
- 11:42manually. And so that's how we can go
- 11:45ahead and set this up. I had, you know, one of my
- 11:48clients who she was taking hours like go take her one whole day
- 11:52to rewrite a resume and to do a cover letter.
- 11:54And she got so much faster at it because I gave her different
- 11:57prompts that we use within my coaching program.
- 11:59And by doing it, she's like Danny, I went from sending one
- 12:02in a day to sending 5. And it was like mind blowing.
- 12:05And she has been in the industry for 25 plus years doing what
- 12:08she's doing in AVP. And so she was just like, now I
- 12:10just know how to do it so much faster.
- 12:12I know how to scan through them, identify them.
- 12:14And she went from not getting any phone calls to getting
- 12:16interviews. I think that's a big shift for
- 12:17her. And so, and that's from this
- 12:20cold applying. That's not even from getting
- 12:21referrals. It was just from applying from
- 12:23job boards that her resume is hitting and getting her
- 12:25interviews. The other part where we use it
- 12:27is within networking. So a lot of the, the women that
- 12:30I work with, like they are first in their family to pursue
- 12:34something. They're first in their family to
- 12:35graduate college. Like they don't have a built in
- 12:38network. We I didn't have a built in
- 12:39network. None of us do.
- 12:45And so with that, it was like, how do we build networks for
- 12:49ourselves when we feel like we don't have one?
- 12:50Where do we even start? And so again, I have different
- 12:53tools that I have been during my clients that they can utilize to
- 12:56make networking a little bit easier.
- 12:58Because sometimes it is like a numbers game of how many people
- 13:01you reach out to, to how many people you get a response from.
- 13:03And so that's something else that we're doing.
- 13:05I always am trying to figure out different ways to learn new
- 13:08tools that will help my clients. I'm constantly doing market
- 13:11research myself. And then I will host a workshop
- 13:14to teach my, my, my clients about it.
- 13:17For example, this week we have a workshop on some networking
- 13:21tools that you could potentially use.
- 13:23I've done another workshop on how to use AI for resume writing
- 13:28for LinkedIn. We've done how to use AI when it
- 13:31comes to career pivots. And so I'm not only just like
- 13:34coaching 1:00 to 1:00, but also finding tools that I can help
- 13:37implement and teach them about, which is always super fun.
- 13:39And so, yeah, even when it comes to networking, we're doing that.
- 13:42We're writing different scripts and prompts when it comes to how
- 13:45to do outreach and to talk to people.
- 13:47I have clients who have never wanted to network.
- 13:50I had a client who was like, I can't do this, did not even want
- 13:54to write the message. They were like, I can't, I can't
- 13:57do it. We were sitting on a call
- 13:59writing the message together for them to send, and it felt really
- 14:02daunting and overwhelming. They went from doing that to
- 14:06later implementing one of these tools.
- 14:07And now they're meeting with VPSSVPS, directors of for all
- 14:12their dream organizations to potentially get opportunities
- 14:15from that. And so I just want to say it's
- 14:17just like there are ways to help support.
- 14:20They're not in lieu of or in place of a strategy, but they're
- 14:23more tools to help support, to expedite the process, right?
- 14:27Versus sometimes we stop ourselves or we slow ourselves
- 14:29down because we're not sure where to start.
- 14:30It's more of like a starting point for sure.
- 14:33So I think there's just so many different ways you can go ahead
- 14:36and utilize these things from interview prep.
- 14:37That's a big thing using, I've been utilizing it with my
- 14:41clients when it comes to how to prep for interviews, how to
- 14:43speed transferable skills, how to do career pitches and talk
- 14:46about their backgrounds in general.
- 14:48So many different ways how to outline proposals or
- 14:51presentations for their business, how to identify folks
- 14:54they want to network with or build relationships with in
- 14:56general or even for their businesses.
- 14:58So from a business perspective of how to help it when it comes
- 15:01to client proposals, presentations, network building,
- 15:05biz dev, business development. So there's so many different
- 15:08ways that you can use it. And so I would say from the
- 15:10clients who went from doing one resume a day to five resumes a
- 15:15day, to the clients who went from not getting any interviews
- 15:18with the resume that they were submitting to getting all these
- 15:20interviews all at once in such a short period of time after a
- 15:23month of silence. Like there's just so many
- 15:25different ways you can use it to speed up the process of what it
- 15:27is that you're working on. And so think of it as like the
- 15:30things that are more mundane things that more like tedious,
- 15:34like it can help expedite that to create more space for you to
- 15:37solve complex problems, which is the best way that you can
- 15:40utilize it. Now you may say like, Oh my
- 15:42gosh, what if it's super generic?
- 15:44Well, that's the thing. The more you utilize it, the
- 15:46more you prompt it, the more you share with it, the more unique
- 15:48it becomes and the more you are giving it.
- 15:51It's your perspective of what you like first.
- 15:53Just like the more it kind of takes that to account and
- 15:55knowing that it should never be the final form of what you take.
- 15:58It should always take that and then make it your own and put it
- 16:01in your own words and iterate off of it.
- 16:03It's just a baseline. So I think it's super helpful
- 16:06because it can help with streamlining applications,
- 16:08getting clarity on your roles, creating your LinkedIn interview
- 16:11prep. Like there's so many different
- 16:13ways expanding your, your network, be able to identify
- 16:16what organizations and events you want to be a part of.
- 16:17It's it's endless even thinking of ways for it to give you new
- 16:20tools that you can utilize for the things that you do do.
- 16:23That's what I even do for my own business.
- 16:26And So what my clients have been saying about using Ion coaching,
- 16:29it's so crazy because at first, honestly, like I was hesitant.
- 16:33I was hesitant as a coach injure like to include these tools.
- 16:37I was like, I don't know, what are they going to think that
- 16:38like, why even have a coach if I have AI, you know, and why even
- 16:42have a coach if I've showed if, if she showed me this or like,
- 16:45is it cheating? You know, And The funny thing
- 16:47is, is that when I introduced and I started doing workshops on
- 16:51AI for my clients, they actually loved it.
- 16:54They were like, this is something that I wanted to use,
- 16:56but I haven't had time to carve out and use it.
- 16:58And now you're carving out time for us to learn about it and how
- 17:01to apply in a way that makes sense for us.
- 17:04Or I've had ways that I've used it, but I've never thought of
- 17:07these ways to prompt it or these ways to utilize it.
- 17:10So, you know, I spent some time like when it first came out,
- 17:14learning how to how to prompt it in different ways, how to ask
- 17:16the different questions on different ways to use it for
- 17:18different scenarios. And so I think I take it for
- 17:20granted, but a lot of my clients are like, no, I didn't realize I
- 17:22could use it in this way or this way in this way.
- 17:24And so I think that it's been super helpful to hear my clients
- 17:27say that within coaching, they're grateful for the
- 17:30workshops because it carves out time for them to learn this
- 17:32tool, but they probably wouldn't do in their own free time.
- 17:34Accountability, right? Creating space and the other
- 17:37piece is too is that you know, being able to hear a different
- 17:39perspective of how to use, how to utilize it in real world
- 17:43scenarios and how we workshop together so they can actually
- 17:45get results right then and there.
- 17:47And how it's not just about constantly tweaking and editing
- 17:50things, but how to actually use it to take action and to not get
- 17:54stuck in the research phase and not to get stuck on constantly.
- 17:56Just like creating version 200, right?
- 17:59And that how in reality, it's like having the strategy first
- 18:02is so important. Then using this as a tool is
- 18:05really how the results happened. That was been the biggest thing.
- 18:08And so, you know, a lot of folks were kind of like, oh, you know,
- 18:12I thought I could just endlessly just be putting these things in
- 18:15there and I was just not getting anywhere.
- 18:16But the reality is like, you need the support, the
- 18:19accountability, the strategy, the timeline or to make that
- 18:21happen. So, you know, I'm curious for
- 18:24you and the other thought, and I'm curious about this too, is
- 18:28because the thought of like, oh, is it cheating, right.
- 18:31And it's so funny because it's like if we make something, I
- 18:36don't know. And especially depending on like
- 18:37your cultural background, I feel like we think that if from my
- 18:41cultural background, from my experience is what I'll say it's
- 18:42like if it isn't hard, if I'm not working hard, then it's
- 18:45like, did I really earn it? Like is it OK?
- 18:47There's like a lot of weight that goes.
- 18:50It has to be hard work. It has to be hard earned.
- 18:53But in reality, it's like we're supposed to innovate and make
- 18:57things more seamless and more and, and, and streamline for
- 18:59ourselves. Like that's OK, It's safe to do
- 19:01that and still be, you know, and still be safe and still be
- 19:05dedicated and still be working hard.
- 19:06And I feel like we throw that out the window sometimes if we
- 19:08feel like we haven't sweat enough tears to make something
- 19:11happen. But I think that is like a, a
- 19:13mindset of the past and not of the present and that it's OK.
- 19:17We can be grateful for the people who wanted to work super
- 19:19hard and sweat all the way, but maybe we can use that time
- 19:21energy to make, you know, to, to do things in a, in a new way and
- 19:25a better way for others. So I'm curious for you, what
- 19:30part of your job search or your business do you feel like you
- 19:33could streamline using AI? I'm really curious about that.
- 19:37And then also, you know, do you feel like AI is a shortcut or do
- 19:43you feel like it's a tool that can help support you?
- 19:46I'm curious about those things too.
- 19:47So hopefully you could take away some points here, but I just
- 19:52want to highlight that number one, AI alone is not a, a, a
- 19:55strategy. It's a tool.
- 19:57And that it can't give you necessarily direction.
- 20:00It can give you some guidelines and ideas, but to truly get
- 20:02clarity, like you really need to work to have a plan and to set
- 20:05that up with someone I would say, and that the ways that you
- 20:09can utilize it could be anywhere from.
- 20:12Starting to explore and do market research for career path
- 20:14when it comes to refinement of your resume, your cover letter,
- 20:17your LinkedIn interview prep, networking chats, all of that
- 20:21good stuff. There's so many different kinds
- 20:23of tools that we use. It's not just ChatGPT.
- 20:25There's like so many amazing AI tools out there when it comes to
- 20:30like outreach, when it comes to analytics, when it comes to so
- 20:34many fun things, but constantly exploring and educating on and
- 20:38then you know, how can how can it make your life easier with
- 20:41the things that a little bit more mundane and that things
- 20:43that you can go ahead and and help action.
- 20:45I just have seen so many for being for me, being hesitant to
- 20:49me learning about it, to me implementing it with my clients
- 20:53to then eventually seeing their results.
- 20:55I was like, Nope, it's done. Like I have seen their results
- 20:58happens so much faster with it. So I'm not holding back.
- 21:01And I'm continually trying to find new tools for my clients
- 21:04that will work. And so I will continue to do
- 21:06workshops for them. And so if you are one of my
- 21:08clients and you're watching this, I'm sure you've probably
- 21:10been getting emails. So what I do is like my current
- 21:12clients for my group program in private clients, they all are
- 21:17have access to these workshops, but I've actually also been
- 21:19opening up to any past clients or alumni.
- 21:22So if you're a past client or alumni, like keep an eye out on
- 21:24your e-mail. I'm sure you've probably been
- 21:25seeing it. I've been saying, Hey, I have
- 21:26this workshop coming up. Like you're welcome to come back
- 21:28and join because when you're my client, once you're my client
- 21:31forever. I, I never give up my clients.
- 21:34And so hopefully they and you will see all those amazing
- 21:38workshops that are coming up. We have two this month.
- 21:40We have one from an amazing dear friend and somatic coach who is
- 21:44going to be coaching on. I'm going to pull this up to
- 21:47make sure the exact title. Awesome.
- 21:52So we have one coming up, not in like mid to end of September,
- 21:59which is going to be with you. You is famous therapist.
- 22:11Are we, Oh, I think your high achievements, massational
- 22:25wounds. So she's going to be talking
- 22:27about that because she talked, she really truly supports women
- 22:29of color, entrepreneurs and energy leaders on how to how
- 22:32they're like protective patterns can keep them stuck sometimes
- 22:36and how like reconnecting with your emotions and your wisdom
- 22:39will honestly and honestly help you move past some things and
- 22:42process some things. So that's going to be really
- 22:43exciting. So open that up to current and
- 22:45past clients. Thing we're talking about, which
- 22:47is going to be this upcoming week, is how to use a special
- 22:50tool when it comes to being able to do outreach, to build
- 22:54relationships in general and to help expedite that process.
- 22:57I had some amazing clients able to connect with VPSSEPCOS of
- 23:01some of their favorite companies and LED to referrals and all
- 23:04that good stuff. So we're going to be teaching
- 23:06about that too because it can feel really overwhelming to
- 23:08learn a tool on your own. So anywho, thank you for
- 23:11listening and I will be back here next week and I'll talk to
- 23:14you soon.