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Episode 312: Air - Part 1 (SG-U 1.01) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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Speaker 1: After more than a decade of conflict, the wars against
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Speaker 1: the Goa would of the Aura and the Replicators have
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Speaker 1: come to an end as the Asgard passed into legend.
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Speaker 1: The Lost City of the Ancients has been recovered and
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Speaker 1: now rests safely on Earth. In the Atlantis data Base,
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Speaker 1: a nine chevron address has been discovered. The people of
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Speaker 1: the Tauri establish a secret base on a planet rich
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Speaker 1: in the unstable minneral known as the Quadria code name
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Speaker 1: Icarus Base. Here they harness its power and calculate a
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Speaker 1: way to dal the mysterious nine chevron address to an
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Speaker 1: unknown location. Their operation is interrupted when the Lucian Alliants
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Speaker 1: attack from orbit.
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Speaker 2: The Icarus based crew are forced to flee through the.
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Speaker 1: Stargate and find themselves aboard an ancient derelict ship Destiny.
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Speaker 1: Stranded billions of light years from Earth, The crew face
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Speaker 1: rising tension and failing life support. With power failing throughout
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Speaker 1: the ship, returning home through the Stargate is impossible. They
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Speaker 1: are the wrong people for this mission, but they are
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Speaker 1: the only hope for what lies ahead. This is where
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Speaker 1: Stargate Universe begins.
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Speaker 3: Get into Gate a Stargate podcast. This is episode three
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Speaker 3: hundred and twelve. My name is Mitch, joining me as
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Speaker 3: always the Getting a Gate team.
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Speaker 2: We got Maddie Brandan on the Pots and Pans.
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Speaker 4: Brandon our Pots and Pans man.
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Speaker 5: Well, is it too late to ask you to redo
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Speaker 5: that as ball, No, we'll fix it in part. Some
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Speaker 5: request would be too late for not that.
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Speaker 3: Look, if you are a new listener to the Pot,
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Speaker 3: we are three hundred and twelve episodes dep We've got
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Speaker 3: a lot of people that have been along for the journey.
2:35
Speaker 3: But if you've come on board with a little bit
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Speaker 3: of chat for a universe, which is what happened with
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Speaker 3: the TV show in general, we're talking about that. But
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Speaker 3: we are three old school Stargate fans. We have loved
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Speaker 3: Stargate since the very beginning. We're talking SG one airing
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Speaker 3: on TV.
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Speaker 4: Even if it did get to Australia a little bit
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Speaker 4: late in twenty sixteen. If you can believe we were
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Speaker 4: just talking about this is our first recording session of
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty six so we are just on the cusp
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Speaker 4: of our tenth year anniversary. We have been talking about Stargate.
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Speaker 2: And I think, well, I reckon.
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Speaker 5: We'll finish season one of Universe at a round about
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Speaker 5: the same at round about the tenant ten.
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Speaker 2: Years July, isn't it?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: I think so, I feel like June July. Yeah, beautiful
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Speaker 5: and yeah, what a way to kick it off.
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Speaker 2: I mean in eighty four years.
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Speaker 3: I mean we we had I mean dreams, could you
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Speaker 3: say dreams in a way that at some stage during
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Speaker 3: our podcast run that a new Stargate series would emerge.
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Speaker 3: I mean we did get origins at the beginning that.
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Speaker 2: We did get New Stargate technically.
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Speaker 3: We did technically, I mean on paper, and then we
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Speaker 3: stood in shit and whatever. We're moving on from that,
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Speaker 3: and we thought maybe we get that happening along the way,
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Speaker 3: And here we are before we get into to our
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Speaker 3: next New Stargate series to talk about being Universe and
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Speaker 3: my first watch through of SGU, we've got another one
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Speaker 3: that is about to go into production. So I mean
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Speaker 3: you playing that, you making that, Brendan like that. That
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Speaker 3: to me, this feels a bit of a like an
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Speaker 3: early preview of what it's going to be like to
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Speaker 3: be watching New Stargate for the first time. So until
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Speaker 3: we get there, we got to talk about SGU and
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Speaker 3: this is our first episode, my first watch through.
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Speaker 4: I'm bloody excited to be here. Boys.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean because with Atlantis you'd seen the pilot,
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Speaker 5: you saw Rising and that was it.
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Speaker 2: Whereas Universe you've seen nothing.
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Speaker 3: No, no, absolutely nothing, And I didn't even know the aesthetic,
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Speaker 3: the look.
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Speaker 4: Of the show.
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Speaker 2: I've a way to tell you. If you've seen Battlestar Galactica,
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Speaker 2: you had said that.
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Speaker 4: But even so, yeah, right, well.
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Speaker 3: This is usually the time of the of the episode
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Speaker 3: we get into the old synopsis, which I reverb back
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Speaker 3: to the little booklets that come in the physical media
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Speaker 3: that be the DVDs that we're watching from. But neither
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Speaker 3: I nor Maddie with our physical media of sgu have
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Speaker 3: a booklet. But Brendan and you said, hey, you know what,
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Speaker 3: let's go to the great people, the good people of
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Speaker 3: MGM and Amazon.
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Speaker 2: Primeme Video great people, which.
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Speaker 3: Is obviously where you can nush dream Stargate Universe, at
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Speaker 3: least here in Australia, but of course around the world
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Speaker 3: too in different markets. I mean, check your local guys.
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Speaker 3: We'll consult them for a synops.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see how good they are at it. They've
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Speaker 2: let us down in the past a little bit big time. Now,
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Speaker 2: just quickly, how are we this is just part one?
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Speaker 2: Is there part one of the Bratton? You take this
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Speaker 2: one because well, yeah, this is technically air part one.
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Speaker 2: Two and three is the pilot. However it air as
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Speaker 2: one and two and then three was a week later. Yes,
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Speaker 2: we've decided that based on part one. There's so much
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Speaker 2: in that where we can just pick it to pieces
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Speaker 2: and two and three basically one episode if it separates.
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Speaker 2: If you look at episode three just being the Desert Planet,
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Speaker 2: I reckon that'd be a ten minute podcast for us.
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Speaker 5: So right, I think, yeah, we'll split it up, so
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Speaker 5: this episode will even it'll say air part one or whatever.
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Speaker 2: It'll be about air part one, but then next week
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Speaker 2: will do part two.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 3: I only asked because being the first time I was watching,
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Speaker 3: and then I paused it and it was like fifty
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Speaker 3: five minutes in, I'm like, well, hang on.
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Speaker 4: Where was the forty two forty four minute cutoffs?
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Speaker 5: So where was the end of the first You and
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Speaker 5: I had a very different experience in that Brendan was
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Speaker 5: watching it on Amazon.
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Speaker 2: He got the broadcast version.
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Speaker 5: You and I on the DVD's got the extended version,
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Speaker 5: which has about another seven to twelve minutes or something
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Speaker 5: like that. But it's also presented as one two hour
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Speaker 5: event airpart one, two, and three all together.
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Speaker 2: So I've taken a few little notes.
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Speaker 5: Well, we'll discuss sort of a few little differences between
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Speaker 5: the broadcast version and the extended version that you get
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Speaker 5: on the DVDs.
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Speaker 2: But you know, we've pat this episode is going to
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Speaker 2: be so jam packed. So that's why we had to
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Speaker 2: jam at Dan to do episode one.
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Speaker 3: And now that you've explained exactly, now that I've seen it,
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Speaker 3: you able to explain a little bit more. I can
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Speaker 3: understand why the amount of times I had to stop
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Speaker 3: and just rewind the last five seconds.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like so jam packed full of information.
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Speaker 3: There's more here, just like just being scattered like nothing
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Speaker 3: between characters.
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Speaker 2: So some would say law shattering.
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Speaker 4: I feel like I'm listening to a meditation. When a
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Speaker 4: military research base is attacked.
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Speaker 3: A small group of civilians and military personnel escape onto
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Speaker 3: a ship in deep space, but divisions emerge between those
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Speaker 3: who want to attempt a return to Earth and those
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Speaker 3: who want to remain aboard the destiny.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of really only one person. Well, let's face
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Speaker 2: the elephant in the room. This is so different from
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Speaker 2: the other Stargates. Yes, and we know that, and that's
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Speaker 2: where some of its criticism was. But also it's interesting
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Speaker 2: to point out that some for some people, this is
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Speaker 2: their favorite Stargate Jacob cat Jacob. Yeah, this was Jacob.
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Speaker 2: It was his. It was his favorite.
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Speaker 5: And it's funny, like I was never a huge fan
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Speaker 5: of it, Like it was fine, but it just never
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Speaker 5: sort of grabbed me the way she wanted. Atlanta's did
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Speaker 5: well the first three seasons of Atlanta's, but it's it's
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Speaker 5: funny watching it now because it's I haven't watched any
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Speaker 5: Universe in ten years, you know what I mean. I
8:14
Speaker 5: haven't been watching Stargate like I normally would, while I
8:17
Speaker 5: haven't seen the Stargate pilot in ten years, because I
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Speaker 5: haven't rewatched any Stargate what we've been there.
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Speaker 2: That was the same as me up until recently, me
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Speaker 2: and my son Jack started rewatching Stargate. I'm like, how
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Speaker 2: why wasn't I watching it during that period? And I
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Speaker 2: think it was because we just were pushing forward and
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Speaker 2: working towards the next.
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Speaker 5: Episode, and for me, I didn't want it to get
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Speaker 5: in the way or confuse me in terms of you know,
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Speaker 5: where I am and what I'm focusing on when it comes.
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Speaker 2: From, which I realized now was actually a mistake because
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Speaker 2: it would have actually strengthened your knowledge.
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Speaker 5: Yes, I think so too, because you're going back and
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Speaker 5: watching things with knowledge that. Yeah, So watching it this time,
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Speaker 5: I actually enjoyed it more. I think if you're looking
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Speaker 5: at it through like a twenty twenty six, yeah, I
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Speaker 5: think this is more in line with the kind of
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Speaker 5: TV we get now.
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Speaker 2: So it was in a way, I guess to use
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Speaker 2: a cliche.
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Speaker 5: When we know how much O Neil hates cliches, it's
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Speaker 5: ahead of its time, but also at the time, I
9:15
Speaker 5: think it felt behind the times because, like we've said,
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Speaker 5: it felt like a rehash of Battlestar Galacto was even
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Speaker 5: shot in a similar way to Firefly, you know, which
9:26
Speaker 5: was like two thousand and one, two and two, And
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Speaker 5: it's some interesting math that I sort of had a
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Speaker 5: look at Enemy at the Gate, the final episode of Atlantis.
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Speaker 5: It first aired in January two thousand and nine. This
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Speaker 5: episode first aired in October two thousand and nine.
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Speaker 2: Wow, so there wasn't really a long time.
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Speaker 5: There wasn't wait between the two, and I feel like
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Speaker 5: maybe if there had been a year or two between
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Speaker 5: Atlantis and Universe, maybe the fandom would have been a
9:54
Speaker 5: little more avarice for Stargate, but I think maybe for Giving. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: maybe one of the reasons this had such a hard
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Speaker 5: sort of start is because it was so different to
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Speaker 5: what we were using.
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Speaker 2: It was a gamble. Yeah, it was a big gamble.
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Speaker 5: And I think, yeah, people who you know, were getting
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Speaker 5: into Atlanta because I feel like Atlantis could have had
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Speaker 5: another couple of seasons and it's people was kind of
10:13
Speaker 5: looking for in the same way Atlantis expands the SG
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Speaker 5: one universe. I think we're all looking towards this to
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Speaker 5: expand on Atlantis and SGU one, But it's so departed
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Speaker 5: from that.
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Speaker 2: It's hard.
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Speaker 5: Like you get a few little bits and pieces through here,
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Speaker 5: like you see Carter and you see O'Neill and Daniel
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Speaker 5: Jackson on his video and stuff like that, but it's
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Speaker 5: it's very far removed in a way from the other
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Speaker 5: two shows.
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Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, the fandom were very whiplash.
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Speaker 5: Maybe is a good way to sort of to because
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Speaker 5: it was literally came out the same year that that
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Speaker 5: S that Atlantis finished.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for me as well, like I talked
10:52
Speaker 3: about on our most recent episode, but that was covering
10:56
Speaker 3: off season five of SGA, And I said, there is
11:00
Speaker 3: this free twenty four to seven Stargate channel that I
11:03
Speaker 3: have my TV on on Samsung TV, and it's just
11:05
Speaker 3: rolling through SG one into SGA into SGU. And I've
11:08
Speaker 3: just I've always managed, I mean, there's only two seasons
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Speaker 3: to avoid of SGU if I'm trying to get past it,
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Speaker 3: so it's only like two days worth of content, Mattic.
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Speaker 3: But I've also like hovered over the thumbnail at one
11:21
Speaker 3: point and seen like Robert Carlisle, and I've resisted.
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Speaker 2: We've all over the thumb.
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Speaker 3: I've resisted the urge to click in to even see
11:28
Speaker 3: two seconds of what the show looks like, what it
11:31
Speaker 3: sounds like, to then compare it before I've before I've
11:34
Speaker 3: watched it, and so I was I mean to me
11:38
Speaker 3: first time, and not just because of the length of
11:40
Speaker 3: it watching it on the DVD, but just I guess, well, okay, length,
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Speaker 3: the way that they knew they had to play with,
11:47
Speaker 3: so the way that the length of the story played out,
11:50
Speaker 3: and how much more room it gave itself to breathe,
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Speaker 3: It felt like a movie.
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Speaker 4: And I thought, if this was presented to me.
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Speaker 3: Hey, here's this new streaming movie, a sci fi you know,
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Speaker 3: a team get lost in this ship and they have
12:01
Speaker 3: to work out how to get back.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, I dig this. I would I quite like this.
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Speaker 4: It just happens to.
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Speaker 3: Exist inside this franchise that I have loved for you know,
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Speaker 3: nearly thirty years. And I guess when they do a departure,
12:17
Speaker 3: like part of me is like, oh, I can't believe
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Speaker 3: Robert C. Cooper and Brad Wright did this and took
12:24
Speaker 3: such a departure. And when you say, okay, it's a
12:26
Speaker 3: little bit like your your Battle Stars.
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Speaker 4: And all that sort of stuff. Okay, that's one thing.
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Speaker 3: But for these guys, like for the guys that made
12:33
Speaker 3: two shows that were similar enough to then do this,
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Speaker 3: it's like, wow, that's kind of incredible.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, like.
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Speaker 3: Commend them for their for their efforts there, as opposed
12:43
Speaker 3: to like what if you would have said, oh, it's
12:45
Speaker 3: two other or three other different creatives who have never
12:48
Speaker 3: seen an episode of Stargate have been given the framework
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Speaker 3: and said, yep, there's wormholes as a device, blah blah blah,
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Speaker 3: go and make a show. And they went and they
12:56
Speaker 3: were okay, I'll try and draw this from not memory,
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Speaker 3: and they've made a very different feeling sci fi show
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Speaker 3: that doesn't match the tone, doesn't match the esthetics of
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Speaker 3: what SGA and SG one are, but exists in the
13:09
Speaker 3: same world. And I guess the challenge always is to
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Speaker 3: watch a show that differs like this one does and
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Speaker 3: sit back for a second ago do I believe this
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Speaker 3: exists in the same universe? No pun intended as the
13:24
Speaker 3: last show or all of the shows, you know, like
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Speaker 3: I know, it's just wrapped up. I haven't seen all
13:30
Speaker 3: the episodes yet, but A Night of the Seven Kingdoms
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Speaker 3: the Game of Thrones spin off twenty five thirty minute
13:36
Speaker 3: episodes about, you know, only a couple of characters in
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Speaker 3: a pretty singular sort of location, right as opposed to
13:43
Speaker 3: this expansive world of seven different stories a very big
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Speaker 3: narrative that Game of Thrones was and so is House
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Speaker 3: of the Dragon. And then you get this other show
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Speaker 3: that's sets in between those two timelines, and it's like,
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Speaker 3: do I believe that this exists in that same world?
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Speaker 3: I kind of do, but also I'm just watching it
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Speaker 3: as like this medieval drama, and so I'm having to
14:07
Speaker 3: remind no, it is it is the same. It's just
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Speaker 3: it's just a different story. Where is this even though
14:12
Speaker 3: the camera work is different and and the way that
14:15
Speaker 3: it's lit is different, and and the way that the
14:18
Speaker 3: story seems to be moving around. It's a real ensemble.
14:22
Speaker 3: Like SG one, you know who your main guy is,
14:26
Speaker 3: and then okay, very very very close second is your
14:28
Speaker 3: main four and then you've got your other secondary favorites.
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Speaker 3: Whereas this, I know that Robert Carlyle so far as
14:35
Speaker 3: the main guy, but.
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Speaker 5: Like, well, he's also probably the biggest name attached to
14:41
Speaker 5: a regular character. You got your Yeah, Lou Diamond Phillips,
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Speaker 5: you got your what's his name?
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Speaker 2: The well, I've never heard of him before.
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Speaker 4: I've seen before breaking back, I've seen him in a
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Speaker 4: great like to look.
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Speaker 5: I was, I was friend, you're go mate, shooting mcgavine,
15:03
Speaker 5: Christoph McDonald joking shooters in this that's cool.
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Speaker 2: Whereas for me it was for me it was like god, mg,
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Speaker 2: Nah's in this. Chune is in this.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, she's in the credits as Migna.
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Speaker 5: She's known these days, so yeah, she's gone over the years,
15:19
Speaker 5: she's gone all over the place. When it comes to
15:21
Speaker 5: whether it's yeah, nah when or Mignah or I think
15:23
Speaker 5: even when Migna, because that's kind of like the more
15:26
Speaker 5: traditional traditional way to do it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just like the idea that I'm
15:31
Speaker 3: floating between so many different characters and I don't ever
15:34
Speaker 3: feel like even when I'm with the the medic and
15:39
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm kind of I'm digging your story, like.
15:42
Speaker 5: Who is she in Smallville Black Canary?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So, and even though it's it's not quite lost territory, like,
15:52
Speaker 3: but especially that first and second episodes a little bit
15:56
Speaker 3: more of the first we'll get to obviously part two
15:58
Speaker 3: and part three on the on the next pod. But
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Speaker 3: how it's it's going between the different timelines or you know,
16:07
Speaker 3: like the time periods to try and explain who these
16:10
Speaker 3: people are and teasing relationships and issue and I'm honestly,
16:15
Speaker 3: I thought this was such a strong pilot. I honestly,
16:19
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed this. And I was sitting there comparing
16:22
Speaker 3: it to the other two, and I'm like, SG one
16:24
Speaker 3: is such a great pilot anyway, like it's a great
16:27
Speaker 3: sequel to the movie, but it's a great pilot. It's
16:30
Speaker 3: a great singular episode, and it's a great pilot for
16:32
Speaker 3: what that show became SGA, and I'm like, it's a
16:35
Speaker 3: fine pilot.
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Speaker 4: It's good. It certainly sets up what that story is,
16:38
Speaker 4: but it's because it.
16:39
Speaker 2: Was a payoff to season seven.
16:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.
16:43
Speaker 3: Wow, where somewhere else there's a new park, a bunch
16:45
Speaker 3: of bad guys. Okay, cool, we're in a new new city.
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Speaker 4: This is great. But this was just I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I honestly like I was driving in just thinking, I again,
16:55
Speaker 3: I'm an episode at this stage talking on this podcast,
16:57
Speaker 3: I'm one episode in on a two season show that
17:00
Speaker 3: the fans didn't warm enough too enough to keep it
17:03
Speaker 3: around even longer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you go, I'm going seventeen years. Yeah, yeah,
17:07
Speaker 2: because here's the Thief. But yeah, I loved it. I
17:09
Speaker 2: actually really really enjoyed it.
17:10
Speaker 5: And here's the clear spot so you can get a nice,
17:12
Speaker 5: big clear edit point for it. I think I was
17:15
Speaker 5: too dumb for this show when it first came out.
17:17
Speaker 5: So I remember I remember watching the pilot and being
17:23
Speaker 5: incredibly confused because well, fair enough, they in this we
17:28
Speaker 5: have the creation of like Earth has now created its
17:31
Speaker 5: own version of the stone, like that the communication stones
17:35
Speaker 5: go instead of going into that big giant ancient device.
17:38
Speaker 5: We now have that little glow up sort of bared,
17:42
Speaker 5: which I got confused with.
17:44
Speaker 2: So then in SG one season nine, Daniel and barlago
17:48
Speaker 2: to the ore Galaxy by plugging those stones into that device.
17:52
Speaker 2: So we've changed that giant device ince just this little
17:54
Speaker 2: square thing.
17:55
Speaker 5: Yeah, which I didn't get because I don't think i'd
17:58
Speaker 5: rewatched season nine and ten enough at that point when
18:01
Speaker 5: this show came out.
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Speaker 2: And that's the part that I didn't like, because I
18:04
Speaker 2: don't like nine and ten as much as Yeah, a
18:07
Speaker 2: regular restue one. I'm like, this is so like such
18:10
Speaker 2: a minuscule part of the story. Why are we bringing
18:12
Speaker 2: this along? Yeah?
18:14
Speaker 5: And then so that sort of because I didn't really
18:17
Speaker 5: see because it is so dark. I didn't recognize the
18:20
Speaker 5: stone as like the stone from Sims and Joe, And
18:23
Speaker 5: I'm like, what are you doing putting this little round
18:25
Speaker 5: thing on this light up board?
18:27
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
18:28
Speaker 5: And then the way they shoot it with the back
18:31
Speaker 5: and forward, like you know, going into Doctor Lee's body,
18:35
Speaker 5: and then and then suddenly you've got Robert Carla walk
18:37
Speaker 5: around in doctor Lee's outfit.
18:39
Speaker 2: I didn't understand that.
18:40
Speaker 3: I thought that was a flashback because I'm like, okay, Stones,
18:44
Speaker 3: and then it's showing something that happened in the earlier
18:47
Speaker 3: time period.
18:48
Speaker 5: So I wonder if this episode had been played out chronologically.
18:53
Speaker 5: I wish that I would have honest, I would have, yeah,
18:55
Speaker 5: because yeah, because like the slow open of like even
18:59
Speaker 5: just even it just started with El like playing the
19:00
Speaker 5: video game, Like if that had been the opening.
19:02
Speaker 2: Even if that did have the opening where the opening
19:05
Speaker 2: of the shot where the ship comes out of FTL
19:08
Speaker 2: and it's coming towards you and you're going through the
19:10
Speaker 2: ship and then you see the stargate open cut to Eli,
19:14
Speaker 2: you know something like that. Yeah, that's great. And O'Neil's
19:17
Speaker 2: the first mainstare character that we see. Yeah, the thing
19:21
Speaker 2: I had three nitpicks, and I really had to write
19:23
Speaker 2: them down because I didn't want to just come in
19:24
Speaker 2: here and rant about how I hated the show when
19:27
Speaker 2: it first came out. So now, like you guys, I
19:30
Speaker 2: actually do find myself enjoying this a lot more than
19:33
Speaker 2: I previously did. And I've kind of put it down
19:36
Speaker 2: to three nitpicks that I had hit us. Firstly, the
19:40
Speaker 2: technology sgu doesn't immediately explain how the tech works, and
19:46
Speaker 2: I think the creators wanted to avoid writing themselves into
19:50
Speaker 2: a corner that they might have in sgu One or Atlantis,
19:53
Speaker 2: So the tech is actually different in this show. Yes,
19:57
Speaker 2: so long term fans can be frustrated by not and
20:01
Speaker 2: knowing that this is something.
20:02
Speaker 5: I'll have to be careful with my wording not to
20:04
Speaker 5: spoil anything for Mitch. But there's moments throughout sort of
20:08
Speaker 5: airpart one, two and three where Rush in particular is
20:12
Speaker 5: talking and he's lying. He's lying to the other people
20:18
Speaker 5: in front of him, like there's a moment when he
20:21
Speaker 5: I think it might be in part two when he
20:23
Speaker 5: talks to the entire room and says, I brought these stones.
20:27
Speaker 2: I've been in contact, I'm in charge. I'm in charge.
20:30
Speaker 5: Well here's the other lie and I only picked this
20:31
Speaker 5: up on this rewatch. It was Colonel Young who got
20:36
Speaker 5: the stones. So when everyone's evacuated and you see Colonel
20:39
Speaker 5: Young at the bottom of the stargate is rumming through
20:41
Speaker 5: the bags and stuff like that, that's him grabbing the
20:44
Speaker 5: silver briefcase that has the stones in it, throws him
20:47
Speaker 5: in his bag, throws it over his shoulder and runs
20:50
Speaker 5: through the stargaate.
20:51
Speaker 2: Rush finds it the whole reason.
20:53
Speaker 5: Young is out of commission for the first episode and
20:55
Speaker 5: a half because of that explosion that happened behind him,
20:58
Speaker 5: is because he's the one that took the extra time
21:01
Speaker 5: to get those stones so that they would have a
21:04
Speaker 5: way to communicate with Earth. I didn't pick that up
21:07
Speaker 5: the first time, and there's so many and I thought,
21:09
Speaker 5: where Rush is lying?
21:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he lied about I brought the stones. So
21:13
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, because it's a lot of these
21:15
Speaker 2: things in this episode of Blink and you miss it
21:17
Speaker 2: the stuff, yes.
21:18
Speaker 5: And as because it's so different and we're trying to
21:20
Speaker 5: get used to the world that we're in and we're
21:24
Speaker 5: used to dealing with your shepherds, your O'Neills, your carters.
21:28
Speaker 5: These are all people that we can trust and they
21:31
Speaker 5: tell the truth. But because this is such a darker
21:34
Speaker 5: Tonal show and in a more realistic way, and because
21:37
Speaker 5: we don't know Rush yet, we don't actually know when
21:40
Speaker 5: he's lying until you watch it two three times.
21:43
Speaker 3: And I'm coming off watching in the lead up to
21:46
Speaker 3: twenty eight years later The Bone Temple, I was watching
21:48
Speaker 3: the twenty eight.
21:49
Speaker 4: Series Bone Temple and laugh, doesn't it what?
21:51
Speaker 3: And then in twenty eight weeks later, Robert Carlisle's in it,
21:55
Speaker 3: and here's character, I mean, just Fox everything from the start,
22:00
Speaker 3: like just the man of stupid decisions that he makes
22:02
Speaker 3: and just like just Fox everything for everybody and is
22:05
Speaker 3: a coward and blah blah. And I was like, I
22:07
Speaker 3: love Robert Carlo go. Yeah, ever since the Full Monty
22:09
Speaker 3: when I was watch that, I love Robert Carlile. But
22:13
Speaker 3: watching twenty eight weeks later and then watching this and
22:15
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I just do not trust you. And yeah,
22:19
Speaker 3: there was enough in this, like you said, blinking and
22:20
Speaker 3: miss it stuff and you know me, like I tend
22:22
Speaker 3: to cast my sideways occasionally, but there was at moment
22:27
Speaker 3: where he like, I wouldn't if it was if it
22:29
Speaker 3: was these days, if Netflix were making this show based
22:31
Speaker 3: off what we hear about how Netflix.
22:32
Speaker 2: Makes stuff, and it'd be like second screening.
22:34
Speaker 3: I'm now looking at a picture of my wife and
22:36
Speaker 3: crying because I'm sad, whereas now you actually have to
22:39
Speaker 3: like it's you know, he'd be talking.
22:40
Speaker 5: To the fond of going, oh, my lovely wife, I
22:43
Speaker 5: miss you so much. I feel so bad that I
22:45
Speaker 5: have to lie to all the people around me.
22:48
Speaker 3: And it was so quick and I nearly missed that.
22:49
Speaker 3: And from then on, I'm like, what are you? What
22:51
Speaker 3: are you doing here? And the fact he was so
22:53
Speaker 3: he was just pushing forward and he had to do
22:55
Speaker 3: whatever he knows he's going to do.
22:56
Speaker 2: And yeah, not to spoil anything, it's his life for me.
23:00
Speaker 5: Yeah, and even yeah, but there was something in the
23:06
Speaker 5: extended version Brennan may not have gotten that. I'll play
23:09
Speaker 5: some audio of very interesting in terms of when it
23:13
Speaker 5: comes to whether Rush is lying and what part of him.
23:16
Speaker 3: Even the shot of like you know, they've just gotten there.
23:20
Speaker 3: Everyone's still walking wounded, having.
23:21
Speaker 4: Fallen through the through the stargate, like where is Rush?
23:24
Speaker 3: And they have to go to find him in a
23:26
Speaker 3: room and he's their hands behind his back and just
23:29
Speaker 3: looking forward as they're as they're traveling.
23:31
Speaker 5: In the what they got the observation room or whatever
23:34
Speaker 5: with the big giant sort of glass.
23:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he said, I'm like, what are you doing? Man?
23:38
Speaker 3: Like you've gotten to where you wanted to go, which
23:41
Speaker 3: was to that address. You didn't know why or maybe
23:44
Speaker 3: I don't know as the first time, like do you
23:45
Speaker 3: know why? Maybe you do, I don't know, But that
23:47
Speaker 3: then and maybe it was just the Robert Carlisle having
23:50
Speaker 3: worked with Danny Boyle through Trainspotting and Danny Boil that
23:54
Speaker 3: movie Sunshine with Killie Murphy Chris Evans. Yeah, where they're
23:59
Speaker 3: going to reignite the sun.
24:00
Speaker 2: That's little Miss Sunshine.
24:02
Speaker 3: A great movie though, but with Sunshine, and there is
24:06
Speaker 3: a shot in that because there is a similar viewing
24:08
Speaker 3: sort of thing where they were able to sort of
24:10
Speaker 3: look at the sun as they're traveling toward it.
24:12
Speaker 4: And then there is at one stage in that.
24:13
Speaker 3: Movie a guy who goes psycho enough and it is
24:16
Speaker 3: a mission of his to do something that doesn't necessarily
24:18
Speaker 3: roll with how everyone else does.
24:20
Speaker 4: And it was a similar sort.
24:21
Speaker 5: Of Sunshine is a great movie, just like Sunshine is
24:23
Speaker 5: a great movie.
24:24
Speaker 2: You've turned it off about three quarters the way. It's
24:26
Speaker 2: a fantastic movie.
24:28
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and then I think that plays into what
24:29
Speaker 3: I'm talking about as well, where that comes in. But
24:31
Speaker 3: it was just like seeing that image reminded me of Sunshine.
24:34
Speaker 3: I'm like that was directed by Danny Boyle, who directed
24:36
Speaker 3: train Spotting where Robert Yeah, and it just but it
24:41
Speaker 3: may be then just because of that, it made me
24:43
Speaker 3: trust him even less again through being somewhat kind of
24:47
Speaker 3: reminding me of another movie.
24:49
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, Angel's Ashes. He was a pricking nut. So
24:54
Speaker 2: first one is the movie that one, and that's something
24:57
Speaker 2: that's completely different to Atlantis and SG one. Like the
25:02
Speaker 2: authority is unstable, many of the people are behaving badly,
25:06
Speaker 2: Like the first time you see second Lieutenant James, she's
25:09
Speaker 2: getting duffed in the bloody cupboard. Yeah, we'll talk about that,
25:13
Speaker 2: you know, chronologically anyway. But Yeah, I found interesting is
25:17
Speaker 2: is this.
25:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, they kind of like they're still the best of
25:21
Speaker 5: the best in what they are, but it's yeah, it's
25:23
Speaker 5: they've kind of gone with this show is kind of
25:25
Speaker 5: trying to do it in a more realistic way, so
25:27
Speaker 5: you don't have these larger than life upstanding morally, you know,
25:31
Speaker 5: pure people. Yeah, but I feel like I think I
25:35
Speaker 5: do remember reading something or seeing an interview or something
25:37
Speaker 5: like that, and something I think they said they felt
25:40
Speaker 5: they didn't handle well enough or didn't dig into enough,
25:44
Speaker 5: was your favorite storyline is the weirdness of it all
25:47
Speaker 5: and her being a civilian in charge and the animosity
25:53
Speaker 5: between the civilians and the and the military on Atlantis
25:57
Speaker 5: and all that kind of stuff, And they felt like
25:59
Speaker 5: they needed to amper up in this one. So that's
26:01
Speaker 5: why we have our Camille rays and things like that,
26:04
Speaker 5: and and I'm like, oh, was.
26:07
Speaker 2: That the right choice? You just need one person, yeah,
26:11
Speaker 2: to just be good? Yes, but one Yeah, because you
26:14
Speaker 2: got young. I don't know if we know this about
26:17
Speaker 2: young yet with TJ.
26:19
Speaker 5: No, Okay, no, we don't, Okay, Scott Tamara as he
26:24
Speaker 5: calls the way he says that Tamarra.
26:26
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, but just there were some
26:29
Speaker 3: things and it was probably more obviously episode two than
26:31
Speaker 3: it was once we can talk about it, but yeah,
26:33
Speaker 3: there were things there and I'm like, oh, hang on what.
26:36
Speaker 2: She wanted to leave there? Where there was that?
26:42
Speaker 3: But there was in the in the present part where
26:46
Speaker 3: he's laying on the table severely injured, and it was
26:48
Speaker 3: just something there that they were a look or a
26:51
Speaker 3: touch or something where I'm like, okay, what's going on here?
26:54
Speaker 5: Yeah, And he's the only one that calls her Tamera
26:56
Speaker 5: like everyone else called the TJ or.
26:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, all that kind of stuff, Yeah, pretend and like yes,
27:01
Speaker 2: Scott goes Lieutenant James right, and she's yes, agrees, like clever,
27:07
Speaker 2: so clever on that.
27:08
Speaker 5: And not just what Mitch was saying before about sort
27:10
Speaker 5: of recognizing people and stuff like that. I'll run through
27:13
Speaker 5: a few of them for you now, Lieutenant James, we
27:15
Speaker 5: have seen that actress before, Lieutenant, just in case someone
27:21
Speaker 5: who had a go at me for not knowing what
27:22
Speaker 5: Janet's rank was, because Lieutenant Scott's above her. Technically, he's
27:27
Speaker 5: always above her. He's always above always.
27:31
Speaker 4: However he does it, we have we have seen power
27:34
Speaker 4: to you, brother.
27:35
Speaker 2: We have seen her before.
27:36
Speaker 5: She plays Tits McGee in Irresistible, the first time we
27:40
Speaker 5: see Lucian Lucius in Lucius lavin in in Atlanta season three.
27:47
Speaker 5: She's one of like the village folk, Tits McGee with
27:50
Speaker 5: the boobs out.
27:52
Speaker 2: Jacobs has told me he had.
27:53
Speaker 5: Quite the quite the awakening to you, told Lieutenant James.
27:57
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
28:00
Speaker 3: I mean it's kind of like the second awakening of
28:03
Speaker 3: watching Firefly and I'm like.
28:06
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Gill states, So she's just so cute, mousey,
28:09
Speaker 4: and then she's kept railed to the story.
28:11
Speaker 5: Now there's a different side, another one Eli's mum.
28:16
Speaker 2: That is Catherine Langford from nineteen sixty nine.
28:18
Speaker 4: Oh bullshit, same actress.
28:21
Speaker 2: So she was in on Colonna. She's one of the
28:24
Speaker 2: world leaders.
28:25
Speaker 5: Oh, I didn't think about that one.
28:27
Speaker 2: Nice Jonas's home planet.
28:29
Speaker 5: Yeah, brilliant Young's wife in the flashbacks, that's Owner Grauer.
28:34
Speaker 5: She was the Frozen ancient in Frozen from SG one,
28:40
Speaker 5: and then she also had another cameo in the opening
28:43
Speaker 5: of Rising where she was the one left behind on Earth,
28:47
Speaker 5: playing that same the same character, playing that same character.
28:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is kind of like Anrim moment, isn't it.
28:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, at least she finally gets some lines, Like she
28:54
Speaker 5: finally get to use some dialogue in this show.
28:57
Speaker 2: But you know how Nrem was in Atlans for some
29:00
Speaker 2: reason playing Weir's husband. Oh yeah, right, yeah, yeah, that
29:05
Speaker 2: was weird.
29:06
Speaker 4: Why another actor in Canada.
29:09
Speaker 5: And then the one that I think Mitch will recognize
29:12
Speaker 5: the most is obviously I fear that the guy that
29:15
Speaker 5: plays Lieutenant Scott, obviously known from Gossip Girl, one of
29:21
Speaker 5: Mitch's favorite show.
29:22
Speaker 2: Mitch, why didn't you say that?
29:25
Speaker 3: I'm just looking at him, and I see, I felt
29:27
Speaker 3: like I recognized him. But he does look a little
29:30
Speaker 3: like I think in this show, not now because he's
29:32
Speaker 3: a he's a his most recent picture on im dB,
29:36
Speaker 3: he looks a little bit like Corey Man Teeth from Glee. Yes,
29:39
Speaker 3: if I if, I just if I forget his name
29:41
Speaker 3: and I started calling him Glee, right, no disrespect.
29:44
Speaker 5: Where you will recognize him from is because after this
29:47
Speaker 5: show he went on and did CeNSE eight with the Wachowskis.
29:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw it, but no, but maybe that, you know,
29:53
Speaker 4: that's probably where I know him from.
29:55
Speaker 5: But then which led onto when they came back and
29:57
Speaker 5: did Matrix resurrect or something whatever the fourth Matrix movie
30:02
Speaker 5: was that came out a couple of years ago.
30:04
Speaker 4: I've actually still never seen it.
30:05
Speaker 5: Oh, oh, okay, Well he's in that because he worked
30:07
Speaker 5: with the Viachowski's on Sense eight. They all get along
30:10
Speaker 5: very well, so he got a look into that. I
30:14
Speaker 5: do want to talk a little bit about Lieutenant Scott
30:18
Speaker 5: just before we go into Brendan's third nitpick um.
30:23
Speaker 2: Something that I thought was actually, no, you know what,
30:25
Speaker 2: I'm going to save it.
30:26
Speaker 5: I'm going to save it for episode three because we
30:28
Speaker 5: get a lot more of Scott's backstory when he's dying
30:33
Speaker 5: in the desert.
30:34
Speaker 2: So actually, I might I might save it for that. Actually, nice, Well,
30:37
Speaker 2: that's a part of the other kind of moral ambiguity,
30:40
Speaker 2: is he's meant to be a man of God, but
30:43
Speaker 2: does what he does, he's a sex maniact no wonder
30:46
Speaker 2: he left the church. I was just going to say.
30:50
Speaker 2: The third one for me was just it felt to
30:52
Speaker 2: me like the audience was left to do a lot
30:54
Speaker 2: of heavy lifting. Like the pilot felt rushed. There wasn't
30:58
Speaker 2: There was a lot of moving part like a lot
31:01
Speaker 2: especially in that what we're talking about now, the episode
31:03
Speaker 2: the part one, Yeah, and a lot of blink and
31:06
Speaker 2: you miss at moments the tech was pulled back, and
31:09
Speaker 2: then they've changed some things as well, which I didn't
31:13
Speaker 2: really like, to be honest. Okay, what sort of what
31:15
Speaker 2: sort of tech? What sort of tech did they change
31:16
Speaker 2: it in? Like the main well in this episode, i'll
31:19
Speaker 2: talk about that. Okay, you're gonna love it. Okay, it's
31:24
Speaker 2: a point of origin really, but I don't want to
31:28
Speaker 2: go all right, I don't want to go into that.
31:29
Speaker 2: I want to here we go, we will go into it,
31:33
Speaker 2: but I don't want to go into that immediately. Let's
31:35
Speaker 2: talk about all right, let's talk about more so destiny
31:39
Speaker 2: where it fits in with the timeline, and that will
31:42
Speaker 2: kind of point us with the point of origin stuff
31:44
Speaker 2: as well, so I have we we spoken, we touched
31:49
Speaker 2: on it before. Daniel Jackson's in this blink and your
31:51
Speaker 2: blink and you miss at moments on the video. Yep,
31:54
Speaker 2: so we have. I have the uncut versions of that.
31:57
Speaker 2: I love it so cut Daniel Jackson and Daniel this
32:00
Speaker 2: is Daniel Jackson. This is the uncut thing where he
32:02
Speaker 2: talks about the Guite Tech.
32:06
Speaker 6: Hello, I'm doctor Daniel Jackson. And behind me is a
32:09
Speaker 6: stargate found in Gize, Egypt, in nineteen twenty eight. We
32:13
Speaker 6: now know it was originally built millennia ago by an
32:16
Speaker 6: alien race who we call the Ancients. Over the next
32:20
Speaker 6: few hours, we'll be touching on some of the things
32:22
Speaker 6: you need to know about the stargate and how it works.
32:25
Speaker 6: There are thirty nine symbols representing star constellations as seen
32:28
Speaker 6: from Earth, capable of transporting people objects hundreds of thousands
32:33
Speaker 6: of light years via an interstellar wormhole within the Milky
32:37
Speaker 6: Way galaxy. A seven symbol addresses used The first six
32:41
Speaker 6: symbols lock down a point in space, while the seventh
32:43
Speaker 6: represents the point of origin when a connection is made
32:47
Speaker 6: between two stargates and unstable energy vortex emerges from the gate,
32:52
Speaker 6: it settles into the event horizon or puddle as we
32:55
Speaker 6: like to call it. Later, it was discovered that using
32:59
Speaker 6: an eighth symbol would actually dial another galaxy. It is
33:03
Speaker 6: believed an unprecedented amount of power is required to reach
33:06
Speaker 6: the near mythical nine chevron destination.
33:08
Speaker 2: A Chris base was established.
33:10
Speaker 6: On a planet discovered two years ago to have a
33:12
Speaker 6: uniquely powerful cores made of the mineral aquadria called an aquadria.
33:17
Speaker 2: The entire purpose of the project is to.
33:18
Speaker 6: Hopefully one day dial the nine chevron address found in
33:22
Speaker 6: the ancient database.
33:23
Speaker 2: I see Daniel believing, all right. So that's Daniel just
33:28
Speaker 2: explaining how the point of origin is meant meant to
33:30
Speaker 2: happen starg eight one oh one. So the next clip
33:33
Speaker 2: I want to play is the Kino fall. You know
33:36
Speaker 2: who's a massive kno fall Eli big time. He's got
33:40
Speaker 2: one relating to his favorite room in on Destiny A
33:47
Speaker 2: which you might need the bedroom I wish it was
33:52
Speaker 2: you might need the at one point.
34:02
Speaker 7: And this this is my favorite room in the whole ship.
34:08
Speaker 7: This is the stargate room.
34:10
Speaker 2: A look at that, isn't it something?
34:14
Speaker 7: And marcation room rush figures at this gate predates all
34:18
Speaker 7: the others we know of, like a prototype. It's the
34:23
Speaker 7: only way we're ever going to get home.
34:30
Speaker 2: So that is one of thirty four Kino files is
34:33
Speaker 2: like an extra. I don't even know if it was
34:36
Speaker 2: a DVD extra, but they released them. Yeah, yeah, they
34:40
Speaker 2: released them online. Yes, because this was like two thousand
34:43
Speaker 2: and on. That was on YouTube was in its infancy,
34:45
Speaker 2: so that was okay, so.
34:46
Speaker 3: We've established you needed it wasn't YouTube that What they
34:49
Speaker 3: did is they saw avatar. I went Sam Worthington making
34:51
Speaker 3: little video diaries. That's what weird.
34:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much, it's pretty much a lot like well,
34:57
Speaker 2: most of them are lame, so I anyone's wondering.
35:01
Speaker 5: Keino means movie theater in German and also means cinema
35:06
Speaker 5: and movie in Russian. And there was also a nineteen
35:10
Speaker 5: eighties Soviet rock group and Eli does say at one
35:13
Speaker 5: point he goes, I'm going it a quino, you know,
35:15
Speaker 5: because of the Russia, and then he gets cut off. Yeah,
35:17
Speaker 5: so we don't know whether you're talking about the Russian
35:19
Speaker 5: word or the Russian band.
35:20
Speaker 2: But that's why that's why they called great people. All right,
35:23
Speaker 2: So we've Daniel's established you need a point of origin
35:25
Speaker 2: from where you leave from. Huh. And we've established there
35:29
Speaker 2: in the Keno file that these stargates on Destiny pre
35:33
Speaker 2: date the Milky Way gates.
35:35
Speaker 5: Yes, So up until this point, my imagination says, going
35:39
Speaker 5: by ark of truth, we had what we now know
35:44
Speaker 5: is the ancients living in the area galaxy. They left
35:47
Speaker 5: on that ship that crumbled the mountain that that one
35:49
Speaker 5: ancient went and grabbed their notebook. Yep, they went to Dakara,
35:53
Speaker 5: went to da Oh yeah, because well did they come
35:55
Speaker 5: to Earth first?
35:56
Speaker 2: Now they went to Dakara first, apparently in one of
35:59
Speaker 2: the other Daniel Jacks and interesting things.
36:02
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that kind of then screws with my idea
36:04
Speaker 5: that then they landed on Earth, like, landed on Earth,
36:07
Speaker 5: that's what, and then sent the Destiny away. Yes, and
36:12
Speaker 5: then went, hey, that's that thing we put on Destiny
36:15
Speaker 5: is a cool idea, Maybe we should do that here
36:17
Speaker 5: in this pretty much in this galaxy, That's that's pretty
36:21
Speaker 5: much what happened.
36:22
Speaker 3: So when I first saw this game, like how smooth
36:25
Speaker 3: and sexy it looks, and I'm like, oh, that's the
36:27
Speaker 3: next evolution of it.
36:28
Speaker 2: Okay, So it's weird to think about it.
36:31
Speaker 5: The stargate, the milky waistargate that we know is the
36:34
Speaker 5: middle evolution. Then we got Atlantis, which was the next
36:37
Speaker 5: generation version of it, and now we're getting Universe, which
36:40
Speaker 5: is the original.
36:42
Speaker 2: It's a pre cool gate. Yeah, so this is where
36:45
Speaker 2: the point of origin concern comes in. For me, I'm
36:47
Speaker 2: not a fan of making the ninth chevron the Earth
36:51
Speaker 2: point of origin. It just opens up more speculation. That's
36:54
Speaker 2: the main reason I don't like it. Yeah, there was
36:56
Speaker 2: that throwaway line and it's happening. Well.
36:59
Speaker 5: I think the reason they almost did it is because
37:02
Speaker 5: it was when there was so much craziness going on.
37:04
Speaker 5: We were under attack from the loational Lions. The planet
37:06
Speaker 5: was about to blow up, and Eli just throws up,
37:09
Speaker 5: well maybe it's just a code yes, And then that's
37:12
Speaker 5: why we have to use the Earth point of origin
37:14
Speaker 5: as the ninth symbol. But then Rushia is something about
37:19
Speaker 5: but we're not on Earth. But it's like, but what
37:21
Speaker 5: if we were supposed to.
37:22
Speaker 2: Be but we're not. Yeah. Yeah, So that's that's what
37:25
Speaker 2: I don't like about it. And it kind of and
37:27
Speaker 2: it was a throwaway line. It was it was don't
37:29
Speaker 2: think about it, don't don't think about it. We just
37:31
Speaker 2: want to put that logo on the screen. It's a
37:32
Speaker 2: real good thing to say to science fiction fans. Just
37:35
Speaker 2: don't think about it, all right. So this is where
37:37
Speaker 2: the point of origin concerned for me comes in. I
37:39
Speaker 2: don't like that they use the Earth point of origin,
37:41
Speaker 2: the one that we know with the pyramid and the
37:43
Speaker 2: circle on. Yes, that's the classic one from the movie.
37:48
Speaker 2: So that opens more speculation for me. In Stargate, there's
37:51
Speaker 2: a point of origin, unique symbol from whether we die,
37:54
Speaker 2: So you can't just change it just because you want to. Yes,
37:59
Speaker 2: So the star Gate Universe adds a rule by saying
38:02
Speaker 2: it's a code. Now, if it's a code, then it's
38:07
Speaker 2: put there by the ancients. Yeah. Can I just let
38:11
Speaker 2: can we just play clip from SG one season one?
38:15
Speaker 2: Solitudes not Solitudes, not solitudes?
38:21
Speaker 7: I did the seventh somewhere.
38:23
Speaker 8: Yeah, this one has to be the point of origin.
38:26
Speaker 2: I've never seen it before.
38:29
Speaker 4: Damn it, you do the right address.
38:32
Speaker 8: Yes, I don't know why it won't work.
38:34
Speaker 2: I'm missing something.
38:35
Speaker 9: What if there's a second stargate here on Earth?
38:40
Speaker 4: Yes, dilk would the Goual have put more than one
38:43
Speaker 4: stargate on a planet.
38:44
Speaker 6: If the first became lost to them, I remember the
38:46
Speaker 6: one that Rob put here might not have been the first.
38:49
Speaker 2: The goul didn't build the stargate system. What happens when
38:51
Speaker 2: you die your own phone number?
38:53
Speaker 4: You get a busy signal?
38:54
Speaker 6: Exactly what else could cause a vibration like that? Unless
38:56
Speaker 6: they were trying to dial home, they couldn't get them.
39:01
Speaker 2: So they were trying to dive from Antarctica to Shine Mountain,
39:03
Speaker 2: which she can't do. So every time, every time Daniel
39:08
Speaker 2: asks Hammond, what happens when you die your own phone number?
39:11
Speaker 2: I just expect him to get it wrong. I don't
39:13
Speaker 2: know why it happens. When you dial your own phone number,
39:18
Speaker 2: you leave a message. No, I don't know my own
39:22
Speaker 2: phone number.
39:23
Speaker 4: How should I know? Why would I do that?
39:25
Speaker 2: Someone asked me from our phone number, I tell them
39:27
Speaker 2: to ask my wife. She's dead. Well, I would say
39:31
Speaker 2: this almost leans into.
39:33
Speaker 5: My theory when it comes to solitudes in that what
39:37
Speaker 5: I've been saying the whole time is that Carter was wrong,
39:39
Speaker 5: and the circle with the line under it was never
39:42
Speaker 5: the original point of origin, and that's why she was
39:45
Speaker 5: getting the busy signal, Because she was getting the first
39:47
Speaker 5: six digits, right, but then she was pressing the wrong
39:52
Speaker 5: point of origin. That's the right. But here's the thing.
39:57
Speaker 5: The point of origin or no abodots Cheu Luck, that
40:04
Speaker 5: is on our stargate. So I think that's that's what.
40:09
Speaker 2: And if you think you're confusing in cannon with production, no, no,
40:14
Speaker 2: because in the show, when we dial Teu Luck, we
40:18
Speaker 2: use oh sorry, when we're coming back from Cheu Luck,
40:21
Speaker 2: we use the point of origins with for Tru Luck,
40:23
Speaker 2: and that is on our gate as well. Yeah, and
40:27
Speaker 2: I think that's just a production thing.
40:28
Speaker 5: Like well, yeah, in the same way that we've spoken about,
40:30
Speaker 5: is you know when we're using the Antarctica gate during
40:34
Speaker 5: all of season four or five. Yeah, and look at
40:36
Speaker 5: whatever i'd be, I would agree we're using a triangle.
40:39
Speaker 5: I would absolutely agree with you, because we've we know,
40:41
Speaker 5: season one's SG one. You're like, whatever the canon is, mayor,
40:45
Speaker 5: but they doubled down on it in season six with Frozen.
40:50
Speaker 8: Well, maybe my new conclusions about the DHD will be
40:53
Speaker 8: enough to.
40:53
Speaker 2: Convince them that we should continue.
40:55
Speaker 8: The one found with the Anarctic Geek died shortly after
40:57
Speaker 8: it was brought back to Area fifty one. It was
40:59
Speaker 8: used a few times and then just ran out of energy.
41:02
Speaker 8: And that was the first indication we had that the
41:04
Speaker 8: power source is fueling the gate technology have a limited lifespan.
41:08
Speaker 8: We've run a number of tests comparing the power source
41:10
Speaker 8: to whether offer all dhds. We think we now have
41:13
Speaker 8: evidence that the gate we found down there is one
41:15
Speaker 8: of the oldest in the entire system. It could be
41:17
Speaker 8: as much as fifty million years old.
41:20
Speaker 2: So the important thing is the ancients who built Destiny
41:23
Speaker 2: and the original and the original Earth Gate fifty million
41:26
Speaker 2: years ago never would have used the symbol that we
41:30
Speaker 2: use currently. That was brought by rah My. That's that's
41:36
Speaker 2: what it is.
41:37
Speaker 5: My theory is though, because if you look at when
41:40
Speaker 5: with when it comes to Atlantis, when we're able to
41:42
Speaker 5: just like gather up a bunch of stargates to make
41:45
Speaker 5: the intergalactic bridge, and then there was that time when
41:49
Speaker 5: Ball scooped up a bunch of gates who was going
41:51
Speaker 5: to create his own internal thing. I think for me personally,
41:56
Speaker 5: I think that the point with like the thing we
41:59
Speaker 5: know is the point of origin symbol. I think that
42:02
Speaker 5: was always and always will be our point of origin symbol.
42:05
Speaker 5: And ra bought his stargate to Earth because the one
42:10
Speaker 5: in Anactaca had been lost, so he came to Earth
42:12
Speaker 5: and brought his own stargate. And because he was so knowledgeable,
42:16
Speaker 5: he you know, in the same way Baal can rewrite
42:19
Speaker 5: stargate codes. Ra knew that this was the point of
42:22
Speaker 5: origin for Earth and rejigged his second stargate for that symbol.
42:30
Speaker 2: And you could even then argue that.
42:31
Speaker 5: There's no proof of that. No, absolutely, this is all
42:34
Speaker 5: my assumption. But then for me, like this is my
42:36
Speaker 5: head canon. It's like and it's also i mean, obviously
42:38
Speaker 5: from the movie, we know that you know, they already
42:40
Speaker 5: had pyramid shape ships and stuff like that.
42:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's the point of origin.
42:44
Speaker 5: And David Spade's no, James Spader, not David Spade.
42:49
Speaker 2: That's a very different movie. James Jata, Yeah, James Bader saying.
42:54
Speaker 5: You know the people, uh, praying at either side of
43:00
Speaker 5: the pyramid.
43:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, is kind of because Ra.
43:07
Speaker 5: Use that we know that the gold lied lie about
43:10
Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff, and ra used that symbol.
43:13
Speaker 2: As a as a as a.
43:14
Speaker 5: Type of power, and it's kind of it did kind
43:16
Speaker 5: of influenced it and brought it into it. So that's
43:18
Speaker 5: the way I've always looked at it because when we
43:20
Speaker 5: did do solitudes God ten years ago, that's crazy. I
43:23
Speaker 5: do remember getting some screenshots for you guys, and yes
43:27
Speaker 5: you can see the DHD and it has the circle
43:29
Speaker 5: with the line under it, but it also has the
43:33
Speaker 5: triangle Earth point of origin on that stargate. So when
43:37
Speaker 5: Carter says they used that DHD a couple of times
43:40
Speaker 5: and then it ran out of power, my internal headcanon
43:44
Speaker 5: is they figured out that, Oh Carter was wrong.
43:45
Speaker 2: I didn't see the Earth symbol on it. Well, it's
43:49
Speaker 2: a ten. It's a ten year old, a ten year
43:52
Speaker 2: ten years old.
43:53
Speaker 5: This is the fan wiki, yes, and yeah, I have
43:57
Speaker 5: seen stuff on the fan wick.
43:58
Speaker 2: So the Alpha site, that Alpha gate, which is the
44:01
Speaker 2: one that we used for RA, yeah, is inspired by
44:04
Speaker 2: the Son over the Pyramid, brought by Rah from who
44:08
Speaker 2: knows where it might have It could have been locally,
44:11
Speaker 2: that's why it works well, or it could have been
44:13
Speaker 2: from Mars, but we don't even know.
44:14
Speaker 5: But you also have to remember RA didn't make the stargates,
44:18
Speaker 5: so that's what I'm saying. But that symbol already existed
44:22
Speaker 5: on the stargate, so I'm saying Rah took advantage of that.
44:25
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, I agree. But what I'm saying
44:28
Speaker 2: is this is the beta gate. This is the original
44:30
Speaker 2: Terrors stargate left by the ancients.
44:32
Speaker 4: Yeah.
44:32
Speaker 2: See I don't agree with that, which for but it's
44:35
Speaker 2: on the wiki fan wiki, which.
44:38
Speaker 3: Is listening only on podcasts, which is the symbol is
44:43
Speaker 3: with the line under it.
44:44
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't want to get it into a big
44:46
Speaker 2: debate but about it, but I just wanted to play
44:48
Speaker 2: these things, which kind of for me and showed why
44:53
Speaker 2: I didn't like the code idea.
44:55
Speaker 5: Yes, and it also like the and again this is
44:58
Speaker 5: probably we'll talk about in maybe episode two or but
45:00
Speaker 5: it's there's a moment where Rush talks to it might
45:05
Speaker 5: be Young or it might be Eli, and he says
45:08
Speaker 5: something about where is it the ancient sent out unmanned
45:14
Speaker 5: ships ahead of Destiny to gather resources, data, construct and
45:20
Speaker 5: deposit gates seed ships.
45:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that spoilerlight.
45:26
Speaker 5: That to me feels like like what I mean, we
45:29
Speaker 5: never really found out what Destiny's true purpose was. But
45:32
Speaker 5: it's like we're sending Destiny out, but we're sending ships
45:35
Speaker 5: ahead of it to drop stargates. So it's like why
45:39
Speaker 5: wouldn't Destiny just be the ship that does that? Why
45:42
Speaker 5: would you send out aside from the fact that it's
45:44
Speaker 5: a TV show and we need stargates once we get
45:45
Speaker 5: out there. Yeah, so it is a weird premise of
45:51
Speaker 5: in the first place, you gate to that ship and
45:54
Speaker 5: then you're just floating through space forever.
45:56
Speaker 2: Yeah. Otherwise Yeah, so the last one that I wanted
45:58
Speaker 2: to play was from Yeah.
46:02
Speaker 1: Coop, there has to be a mistaken here somewhere powerflow
46:07
Speaker 1: isn't the target range?
46:09
Speaker 9: Why wouldn't the address connect?
46:11
Speaker 2: Wrong address? There is only one found the Nation database
46:14
Speaker 2: on about this, the ninth chev Off. Look.
46:16
Speaker 4: It took us two years to find this site.
46:17
Speaker 2: The properties are unique. This may be our last chance
46:20
Speaker 2: fiscal bomb. It continues, the radioactive course going to go critical.
46:23
Speaker 7: If my math works, then it's not a power supply
46:26
Speaker 7: is it's the gata dress.
46:28
Speaker 2: We've thought the first aid symbols for years.
46:29
Speaker 9: The knight has to be the point of otogy.
46:31
Speaker 7: So what if we're not on the plane you're supposed
46:33
Speaker 7: to be dialing from?
46:34
Speaker 4: This is where we are?
46:35
Speaker 2: Okay, what if we are not supposed to be here?
46:38
Speaker 4: Okay? Follow me.
46:39
Speaker 7: The symbols on the target or constellations are.
46:41
Speaker 2: Seen formert that's what you said.
46:42
Speaker 7: Okay, so what you Earth is supposed to be the
46:44
Speaker 7: point of origin run two locks?
46:46
Speaker 9: The only viable power source was here years away.
46:49
Speaker 2: What if that doesn't matter?
46:50
Speaker 7: What if what if it's the only combination that will work,
46:53
Speaker 7: like a code that run three locked.
46:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if it's a code not an ad first
47:01
Speaker 2: of all, what in the ancients, just put the whole
47:03
Speaker 2: code in, Yeah, right in your database. If the people
47:08
Speaker 2: the only people who can get there are the tari
47:10
Speaker 2: there and then Atlantis database point.
47:13
Speaker 5: Of yeah, because they talk about with Atlantis is that
47:15
Speaker 5: there's the control crystal in Atlantis. Atlantis was the only
47:18
Speaker 5: stargate in the Pegasus galaxy that could dial Earth. Well,
47:22
Speaker 5: that could dial the Milky Way, and it could only
47:24
Speaker 5: dial Earth.
47:25
Speaker 2: So that was my pick is all right, the Ancients,
47:30
Speaker 2: from every bit of evidence that I've just showed you
47:32
Speaker 2: use the circle with the line under it as their
47:34
Speaker 2: point of origin, so that should have been in there.
47:37
Speaker 2: Or they use the Orion symbol, which was the Icarus
47:41
Speaker 2: base point of origin. So if it's meant to be
47:44
Speaker 2: an address, then it should just be normal. But if
47:47
Speaker 2: it's a code, then it should be the code that
47:49
Speaker 2: the ancients would have used.
47:50
Speaker 5: Yeah, it does scream a little bit like, you know,
47:54
Speaker 5: we've got ten years or fifteen years this point. I
47:57
Speaker 5: guess of stargate where we've always used a seven symbol address,
48:03
Speaker 5: and it was only Mitch we spoke about it towards
48:05
Speaker 5: the end of Atlantis, where they start talking about, oh well,
48:09
Speaker 5: these stargates have always had nine chevrons on them, and
48:11
Speaker 5: we've only ever used seven seven symbol addresses. So it
48:15
Speaker 5: does feel like there is a little bit just like,
48:16
Speaker 5: don't think about it everything, just trust us. It's a
48:19
Speaker 5: code now, that's how you can get in there. Yeah,
48:22
Speaker 5: so it did feel a little bit of like a
48:24
Speaker 5: cop out.
48:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that was And then I'm going to further
48:28
Speaker 2: on down the track.
48:29
Speaker 5: I'm on the outskirts where I think, based on everything
48:32
Speaker 5: that I've seen, that the triangle is and always.
48:36
Speaker 2: Has and that's what they wanted to do.
48:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, because, like we're saying, obviously when we were using
48:40
Speaker 5: the Beata Gate, we were there were close up shots
48:43
Speaker 5: of the stargate where we were still using because they
48:45
Speaker 5: were using because it's iconic. It's like it's like doing
48:47
Speaker 5: star treking.
48:48
Speaker 2: Getting it was in the movie, and like, I'm happy
48:51
Speaker 2: with that being it's just that Solitudes gets me every
48:54
Speaker 2: time I watch it. I'm like, yeah, but already.
48:56
Speaker 5: So you also have to think about things like in
48:58
Speaker 5: those first early seasons ofbviously, you know, time travel using
49:02
Speaker 5: solar flares and stuff.
49:03
Speaker 2: Is yeah, that's what I said before, wouldn't I'll be
49:06
Speaker 2: fine to forget about if it wasn't for that Frozen
49:09
Speaker 2: one where they're like, this is the original Milky Way Gate.
49:12
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, that Carter is wrong and it was never
49:16
Speaker 5: that symbol. Because the other thing too.
49:18
Speaker 2: You said, you hear that Carter's wrong, that he's right.
49:21
Speaker 2: You know what, guys, shut the.
49:25
Speaker 5: Hey, I'm just doing my best here. Look, I love
49:28
Speaker 5: dumb blondes, you know what I mean. But there's also like,
49:34
Speaker 5: when if you think about the Gamekeeper planet, they had
49:38
Speaker 5: that weird, stupid spiral point of origin that you never
49:41
Speaker 5: see ever again. So I feel like there's a little
49:44
Speaker 5: bit of a mulligan in terms of the first couple
49:47
Speaker 5: of seasons of Stargate when they're still trying to figure that. Yeah,
49:50
Speaker 5: I'm cool with that, but you're right when they bring
49:52
Speaker 5: it up again six seasons later. Yeah, that's the only
49:55
Speaker 5: thing that kind of sticks in, and you might need
49:59
Speaker 5: people are going to be screaming at us shut up
50:00
Speaker 5: about the point.
50:02
Speaker 2: You might need to trim that a bit.
50:03
Speaker 3: But no, no, I don't think like even you know,
50:05
Speaker 3: I'm listening to a lot of what you guys are saying,
50:07
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, I like either overlooked issues that
50:10
Speaker 3: you guys are having and then just able to watch
50:13
Speaker 3: on and but then you're raising it. I'm like, oh, yeah,
50:16
Speaker 3: that does creat a bit, But I I'm either confused
50:18
Speaker 3: because I've just never understood it I've looked over or
50:20
Speaker 3: I've just completely missed it in this rewatch. And I
50:23
Speaker 3: want to do the same thing that you're doing brand
50:25
Speaker 3: and go back with every time I flick it over
50:27
Speaker 3: this free channel. My boys like, can we watch it?
50:29
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, it's season four of Atlantis. Absolutely watched
50:32
Speaker 3: the Movie Star. But I want to sit there and
50:35
Speaker 3: like maybe go through and just even for my own sanity,
50:38
Speaker 3: just like every episode that's like not just not a filler,
50:40
Speaker 3: but like not just like a planet of the week
50:42
Speaker 3: and actually, right, okay, what do we learn here in
50:44
Speaker 3: one line sort of thing? You know, just to just
50:46
Speaker 3: because you're saying shit. I'm like, you could tell me
50:49
Speaker 3: you've just made that up.
50:50
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, essentially, Brendan and I are discussing fictional things.
50:54
Speaker 2: Essentially, of course one of us.
50:56
Speaker 5: One of us is arguing the Bible is real, the
50:58
Speaker 5: other ones arguing the care Run is real. They both
51:01
Speaker 5: come from the exact same source material, but we've interpreted them.
51:04
Speaker 2: You're saying the Jews. Okay, he said it, not me.
51:11
Speaker 5: So yeah, we're both sort of But I'm not saying
51:14
Speaker 5: Brennan's wrong. I think his interpretation is completely valid based
51:18
Speaker 5: on the points that he's brought up.
51:20
Speaker 2: I just feel like it was a missed opportunity to
51:23
Speaker 2: use that to go, Hey, remember season one of SU one.
51:26
Speaker 2: We could have use that.
51:27
Speaker 4: What are you trying to say?
51:29
Speaker 5: Though, Brendan knows way more about Stargate than I do.
51:32
Speaker 2: You know what, you know what, I was gonna leave
51:34
Speaker 2: this got receipts if you want to. I was going
51:36
Speaker 2: to want to bring your proof here we go to
51:38
Speaker 2: what you were saying in the movie. So sorry. By
51:40
Speaker 2: the way, in the movie, Rah comes and brings a
51:42
Speaker 2: starget at eight thousand BC, so just in that timeline,
51:46
Speaker 2: so you.
51:47
Speaker 5: Know, he also looked like an asgard on the inside though,
51:49
Speaker 5: So that's again, it's not those bulligans ultimate timeline. I'm
51:52
Speaker 5: just gonna I'm just gonna pivot, and I just want
51:56
Speaker 5: to point in I'm done with that. There's something that's
51:57
Speaker 5: quite interesting that I've noticed, and I believe I brought
52:01
Speaker 5: this up before, but there's a slight pattern in the
52:03
Speaker 5: Stargate franchise that I just want to bring to everyone's attention.
52:07
Speaker 2: So we have SG one.
52:10
Speaker 5: Now essentially that's a spin off from the original, right,
52:14
Speaker 5: the original move continuations, the continuation of spin off in
52:17
Speaker 5: the same universe. It's the most popular of the franchise,
52:21
Speaker 5: it ran the longest, the most amount of so that's
52:27
Speaker 5: SG one. Then the spin off after s G one
52:31
Speaker 5: is Atlantis, set on a city sitting somewhere in the
52:37
Speaker 5: middle of the galaxy, almost like it's a space station
52:41
Speaker 5: with a wormhole.
52:42
Speaker 4: Deep deep deep.
52:43
Speaker 2: Deep house in the wilderness. Yes, deep in deep space.
52:50
Speaker 4: Finish, finish.
52:53
Speaker 10: Atlantis is out in deep space with a nine chevrons.
52:59
Speaker 10: And then we get to Universe, which is a ship
53:03
Speaker 10: stuck on the other side of known space with a
53:07
Speaker 10: crew of military and civilians.
53:10
Speaker 5: Who don't get along, who all just want to get home.
53:15
Speaker 5: That is Next Generation Space nine and Voyager.
53:23
Speaker 2: So, okay, you know what, So you're comparing the Stargate
53:26
Speaker 2: Movie to the original series. The Stargate Movie is the
53:29
Speaker 2: original series.
53:30
Speaker 5: S G One is the next Generation, Atlanta's is Deep
53:34
Speaker 5: Space nine and Universe's Voyager.
53:36
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll give you, I'll give you. I'll give you
53:39
Speaker 4: an extension here, free, free here.
53:41
Speaker 3: Just if you were to predict then the new series
53:43
Speaker 3: coming our way thanks to Martinime next year, what is
53:47
Speaker 3: it going to be based on your Academy enterprises? There's
53:53
Speaker 3: going to skip more modern enterprise.
53:56
Speaker 5: Enterprise started right after Voyager finished. We've got to jump
53:58
Speaker 5: twenty years.
54:00
Speaker 4: Give me when Star Trek went woke, when it went
54:02
Speaker 4: woke with gay Klingons.
54:07
Speaker 5: Do you know I've been giving ship to Craig for
54:09
Speaker 5: the last two years whenever we do a Star Trek
54:12
Speaker 5: podcast and he gives out his Facebook.
54:14
Speaker 2: And I'm like, mate, you're one hundred years old. If
54:16
Speaker 2: you're still using Facebook, that's true. You gotta do that
54:19
Speaker 2: since Academy.
54:21
Speaker 5: Since Academy, my mom's dead, so they not yours.
54:25
Speaker 2: She's still on Facebook. Technically they leave him up. They
54:29
Speaker 2: leave him up. Of course since Academy started.
54:32
Speaker 4: Just on that.
54:33
Speaker 3: Every like three weeks I get a notification saying, like
54:35
Speaker 3: one of my oldest mates who died last year, he's
54:38
Speaker 3: on TikTok.
54:38
Speaker 4: If you want to follow, I'd rather not.
54:40
Speaker 2: That's insane. Okay.
54:42
Speaker 5: I've been getting on Facebook since Starfleet Academy started. I
54:45
Speaker 5: will spend an hour a day just trolling bigots. They'll
54:49
Speaker 5: be like, oh, that Klingon's gay because he's got dreadlocks.
54:53
Speaker 5: And then I'll send pictures of Wharf with his like
54:55
Speaker 5: little Bob, like his cut bob sipping tea with his
54:58
Speaker 5: fing with his pointy finger out.
55:00
Speaker 2: Like yeah, Star Trek was never woke. Star Trek was
55:03
Speaker 2: always gay, exactly. It was always don't worry about it,
55:07
Speaker 2: guys proud. Oh Stargate is the best.
55:12
Speaker 5: Hey hey he laugh like that Stargate podcast exactly.
55:16
Speaker 2: He said, Stargate is plenty gay. Stargate is plenty gay.
55:19
Speaker 4: My father is gay. Yeah, okay, all right, Well there
55:24
Speaker 4: there's your prediction for for for next.
55:26
Speaker 2: Year series academy. Yeah. Because we don't want we don't
55:29
Speaker 2: want enterprise, we don't want just I mean, I wouldn't
55:31
Speaker 2: be surprised if there was a Stargate academy, if that's
55:34
Speaker 2: what I mean.
55:34
Speaker 5: When public, we could have Stargate Command. We could be
55:37
Speaker 5: training new cadets and new officers.
55:39
Speaker 2: Statues of SG one the academy looking out into the stars,
55:43
Speaker 2: you know, don't.
55:44
Speaker 3: Make it gay, I mean very quickly before we move
55:47
Speaker 3: in actual stuff. The episode, I couldn't watching this, and
55:50
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, is this what, like? Is the aesthetic?
55:53
Speaker 4: Is this the style that the new show will be?
55:56
Speaker 4: I'm going to be closer to this?
55:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, me, having not watched this before, I'm like, oh,
56:00
Speaker 3: SGU is different. And people didn't warm to it as
56:02
Speaker 3: quickly and it didn't last as long. And then you've
56:04
Speaker 3: got Geiro, who was like, you know, mostly across all
56:08
Speaker 3: of his stargateness.
56:09
Speaker 4: He was the Atlantis guy, right.
56:11
Speaker 3: And then you've got other creatives from all three shows,
56:14
Speaker 3: you know, all having a little bit to say, at
56:16
Speaker 3: least according to that video. But I've only ever seen
56:20
Speaker 3: SG one and SGA, So that's Stargate to me more
56:23
Speaker 3: than willing to accept SGU. And I'm a couple of
56:25
Speaker 3: episodes in and I'm quite liking it, but I'm like,
56:28
Speaker 3: hang on, I almost think this is what it does.
56:32
Speaker 3: It need to be more like sgu when they bring
56:35
Speaker 3: it back, I.
56:36
Speaker 5: Think, and I'm actually curious to see if over the
56:39
Speaker 5: next twelve months there's kind of like a resurgence and
56:43
Speaker 5: a little more like people softening on Universe, and I'll
56:48
Speaker 5: probably get it.
56:48
Speaker 2: That's too for this a little bit. It's like D
56:49
Speaker 2: Space nine was like that.
56:51
Speaker 5: It was the ugly redheaded step child of the Star
56:53
Speaker 5: Trek franchise, and then once it came on streaming services
56:57
Speaker 5: in the last sort of fifteen years, it's become one
57:00
Speaker 5: of the most popular and the most beloved because it.
57:02
Speaker 2: Tells the long form stories.
57:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's twenty different characters in it, and it's it's
57:08
Speaker 5: telling these really really epic stories. So I'm hoping that, Yeah,
57:12
Speaker 5: based on what I've seen of Universe so far, I'm
57:14
Speaker 5: hoping it starts getting a little bit more love. And
57:16
Speaker 5: as people are winding up to the new show, they go, well,
57:19
Speaker 5: I know SG one like the back of my hand.
57:22
Speaker 5: I know I know Atlantis really really well.
57:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that.
57:25
Speaker 5: Universe is there on streaming and stuff like that, maybe
57:27
Speaker 5: people will kind of bursht up.
57:28
Speaker 2: There's some mention of it in the new series.
57:31
Speaker 3: Or does it take the Star Wars Path and it
57:33
Speaker 3: only gets accepted because people hate the new one, you
57:36
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like, like, people didn't warm to
57:39
Speaker 3: the sequel trilogy, and all of a sudden, they're like, Hey, prequels,
57:41
Speaker 3: you looking.
57:41
Speaker 4: All right, You've aged well he Hayden, you know what?
57:45
Speaker 4: We don't. Hey, what's up? He's my number sort of thing.
57:48
Speaker 3: So I don't want that to happen because I want
57:51
Speaker 3: the new one to come out and people to really
57:53
Speaker 3: warm to it and all that sort of gear.
57:55
Speaker 5: But yeah, but any anyone listening, like if you if you,
57:58
Speaker 5: if you're if you're to this in twenty twenty seven
58:01
Speaker 5: or twenty twenty eight, and you're watching the new Stargate
58:04
Speaker 5: show and you think it's woke because there's a queer
58:07
Speaker 5: person of color on your screen.
58:10
Speaker 2: You're any other reason you're an idiot?
58:12
Speaker 5: One because there's one in universe and no one gave
58:17
Speaker 5: us about it when it came out in two thousand
58:19
Speaker 5: and nine.
58:19
Speaker 2: It's nothing new.
58:21
Speaker 5: So if you're counting how many straight white people you
58:24
Speaker 5: can see on screen of time, does it mate. I've
58:28
Speaker 5: been in Facebook arguments for the last month with people
58:31
Speaker 5: who are literally saying there's not a single straight white
58:35
Speaker 5: man on the screen right now, Star Trek's woke. So
58:37
Speaker 5: if anyone's saying that about Stargate in twenty twenty six,
58:40
Speaker 5: you were never actually a.
58:41
Speaker 2: Fan of this ereer. You can go too far with it.
58:44
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, when it's got nothing to do with the
58:48
Speaker 5: plot or the or like, okay, I'm going to get it.
58:53
Speaker 5: That's three for visit at this point.
58:54
Speaker 3: But well, okay, so in this you said what was
58:57
Speaker 3: only a matter of months, right, very small amouner of
58:59
Speaker 3: months jane'ar into October, right between Atlantis ending and Universe premiering.
59:05
Speaker 3: In story, what are we picking because they're saying they've
59:08
Speaker 3: known the the the eight symbols for the address for
59:13
Speaker 3: two years and it took them a while defying this
59:16
Speaker 3: bass and establish it.
59:17
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah. How long he.
59:21
Speaker 2: Didn't say too, He said years.
59:22
Speaker 5: Yeah, I did hear someone say two years something about
59:26
Speaker 5: I did hear Russia for years?
59:28
Speaker 2: He said, I heard two years in that something in something.
59:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, either way, I'm just like, I don't know that.
59:35
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to watch it and think, oh, well, yeah,
59:38
Speaker 3: once Atlantis it's not once Atlantis is back on Earth,
59:41
Speaker 3: and that's why they started looking into it, but it
59:43
Speaker 3: wasn't discovered post the series finale. This was something that
59:47
Speaker 3: maybe was discovered in.
59:48
Speaker 4: The background were season three and they've been working on it,
59:51
Speaker 4: and now it's relevant because they're making a narrative out
59:54
Speaker 4: of it.
59:54
Speaker 5: I did tickle your ass with a feather with that
59:56
Speaker 5: in the finale of Atlantis, Yeah, because there was a
59:59
Speaker 5: line about, oh, we don't have the Dadalist because it's
1:00:02
Speaker 5: on a secret mission. That was then foreshadowing this. So
1:00:05
Speaker 5: the Dadalus at the time, or the Odyssey or whatever
1:00:07
Speaker 5: it was, wasn't available to help Phoenix, wasn't it. No, No,
1:00:10
Speaker 5: that's Kardis shit, the Hammond, the Hammond. Yeah, but during
1:00:15
Speaker 5: Enemy at the Gate, we had the Daedalus, but the
1:00:17
Speaker 5: Odyssey was unavailable. There was a line about it in
1:00:20
Speaker 5: there where they're saying the Odyssey is off on a
1:00:22
Speaker 5: secret mission. That was a reference to this. So the
1:00:25
Speaker 5: Odyssey was off getting supplies or running people to this
1:00:29
Speaker 5: or whatever. That was their little tie into that. In
1:00:31
Speaker 5: the same way. In the second or third last episode
1:00:33
Speaker 5: of Atlantis, it was a cut scene, but there was
1:00:35
Speaker 5: a scene of McKay and Zelenka talking about nine Chevron
1:00:39
Speaker 5: addresses that's because they had already written this pilot and
1:00:42
Speaker 5: they were trying to remind the audience about it, which
1:00:44
Speaker 5: is I think also when we spoke about it, where
1:00:45
Speaker 5: was the Odyssey? I guess it was running back and
1:00:48
Speaker 5: forward to Icarus, because there's a line in this where
1:00:54
Speaker 5: Eli says, why did we take a spaceship to get here?
1:00:57
Speaker 5: Why didn't we just stargate here? And they said, well,
1:00:59
Speaker 5: we've actually shut down that stargate from receiving incoming wormholes
1:01:03
Speaker 5: because of the the quadrriers too unstable and if we receive.
1:01:06
Speaker 2: A wormhole to blow up and all that kind of stuff.
1:01:08
Speaker 2: Where did that come from? Yes, the only way to
1:01:10
Speaker 2: shut down the stargate is to bury it. Oh, they
1:01:14
Speaker 2: just said something about it. They no, no, because they
1:01:16
Speaker 2: still want to do outgoing wormholes.
1:01:18
Speaker 5: They've just disabled it from incoming wormholes, which essentially you
1:01:20
Speaker 5: can just put a hand through it like that.
1:01:21
Speaker 2: You can put a the Iris.
1:01:23
Speaker 5: Remember they said, if if the Iris is put on Earth,
1:01:25
Speaker 5: if you put it to cover the event horizon, then
1:01:28
Speaker 5: you can't establish a wormhole this because it's buried.
1:01:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something in the middle there.
1:01:32
Speaker 5: I thought there was actually kind of an insinuation that
1:01:35
Speaker 5: perhaps the stargate on Icarus wasn't native to that planet,
1:01:42
Speaker 5: and that we dropped it there. I did see an
1:01:44
Speaker 5: interesting bit of trivia that I wanted to and this
1:01:47
Speaker 5: probably ties into what you were saying, Brendan about the
1:01:50
Speaker 5: riding was a little bit iffy whiffy here because it
1:01:53
Speaker 5: says the Icarus planet is much too close to Earth.
1:01:57
Speaker 5: In Stargate SG one episode Prometheus Unbound, which was the
1:02:01
Speaker 5: introduction of Valor, it was stated that Prometheus could travel
1:02:05
Speaker 5: a distance of fifty light years in twenty minutes. If
1:02:09
Speaker 5: the distance between Earth and Icarus is twenty one light years,
1:02:12
Speaker 5: which is what they say in this opening episode, the
1:02:15
Speaker 5: entire trip should have taken less than ten minutes. But
1:02:19
Speaker 5: Eli is able to watch hours and hours of Daniel
1:02:21
Speaker 5: Jackson videos, goes and has dinner or a meal with Chloe,
1:02:27
Speaker 5: like it was made to feel like the trip from
1:02:30
Speaker 5: Earth to Icarus base took hours, if not a day
1:02:33
Speaker 5: or something like that, whereas actually would have then taken
1:02:35
Speaker 5: ten minutes.
1:02:36
Speaker 2: So there's no way.
1:02:38
Speaker 5: Because even Eli says he watched and rewatched all those
1:02:40
Speaker 5: Daniel Jackson videos, there's no way he could have rewatched
1:02:43
Speaker 5: all of those and had a meal with Chloe in
1:02:45
Speaker 5: ten minutes.
1:02:46
Speaker 2: I mean they're only six minutes, the Daniel the next
1:02:51
Speaker 2: few hours.
1:02:53
Speaker 4: I'm just like the idea that like Daniel would have
1:02:55
Speaker 4: hated being asked.
1:02:57
Speaker 2: To do that.
1:03:00
Speaker 4: Michael, sure, but I like the idea of them saying, hey,
1:03:02
Speaker 4: we imagine how.
1:03:03
Speaker 5: Much it would have had to paid him to come
1:03:05
Speaker 5: back and do those to then just get them all
1:03:07
Speaker 5: chopped up.
1:03:08
Speaker 4: That was his jacket too. You just showed up on
1:03:10
Speaker 4: the set dressed like that. I'm like, I don't know,
1:03:13
Speaker 4: I think you more, Michael, no wardrobe.
1:03:16
Speaker 3: But I like that they're just they're talking about it
1:03:18
Speaker 3: and saying, hey, we're making up these videos just to
1:03:21
Speaker 3: like crash course everybody in with like everything that we
1:03:24
Speaker 3: know about the Stargate program, the history of the Stargates
1:03:27
Speaker 3: and the ancients, and I mean, I don't know, we're
1:03:30
Speaker 3: just looking for someone who knows everything.
1:03:33
Speaker 4: I should like obviously you're way too busy, but we
1:03:35
Speaker 4: just need someone. He's like, I'll do it.
1:03:36
Speaker 3: It's like just make him think like it's his idea,
1:03:39
Speaker 3: because otherwise he would hate the idea of like, hey, mate, look,
1:03:42
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, you've just you've got to go and
1:03:44
Speaker 3: you get a whole day in front of the microphone. Okay,
1:03:46
Speaker 3: he'd be like, I'm too busy making think like you're
1:03:48
Speaker 3: going to get someone else.
1:03:49
Speaker 5: They're surprised you didn't negotiate and say, well, if you
1:03:51
Speaker 5: want me, you've got to give my wife at least
1:03:53
Speaker 5: a day's worth of work.
1:03:54
Speaker 2: She's she's got to be the person on the stones
1:03:56
Speaker 2: for one day.
1:03:57
Speaker 3: Okay, well even okay, just speaking on on Shanksy. But
1:04:01
Speaker 3: then obviously everyone we're getting from from the previous series,
1:04:06
Speaker 3: but obviously namely SG one. As their names popped up,
1:04:09
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, oh, I didn't know they were in
1:04:11
Speaker 3: this at all. For one, I didn't know that they
1:04:13
Speaker 3: came back to do this.
1:04:15
Speaker 2: That would have been exciting. Then in that opening two minutes, yeah,
1:04:18
Speaker 2: it was cool.
1:04:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm like.
1:04:21
Speaker 3: All of SG one except her and Michael Shanks. I'm like, oh, okay,
1:04:26
Speaker 3: so Christopher Judge is not coming back. And then then
1:04:28
Speaker 3: pops up it's like Gary Jones. I'm like, well, obviously
1:04:31
Speaker 3: you gotta have Walter otherwise it won't it won't taste.
1:04:33
Speaker 3: And no SGC either, No.
1:04:37
Speaker 4: Even just those like yes lives in Washington now, yeah,
1:04:40
Speaker 4: the Pentagon I was like, yeah, that was it just
1:04:42
Speaker 4: feels a little bit more real in a way.
1:04:44
Speaker 2: That was Homeworld security in the pentagony, O'Neill just beamed
1:04:48
Speaker 2: to work. Probably probably.
1:04:51
Speaker 5: He does say that's like, if you don't sign, it
1:04:53
Speaker 5: will beam into our space. Yeah.
1:04:55
Speaker 4: Oh that was so funny. And he's like speak and
1:04:57
Speaker 4: they're like just looking at him and then just let
1:04:59
Speaker 4: him not even like close the door, but let him
1:05:01
Speaker 4: walk up stairs. It was such a boss move.
1:05:04
Speaker 2: But whose idea that is too, because that happened to
1:05:06
Speaker 2: O'Neill in I think Nemesis. Yeah yeah, yeah, just zapped him. Yeah,
1:05:13
Speaker 2: and so he's like he'll be fine, yeah, and then
1:05:16
Speaker 2: not have a panic attack I know, right, Yeah, McKay
1:05:19
Speaker 2: did it to Jeanie.
1:05:21
Speaker 4: Yeah he did to his sister.
1:05:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a he's a jerk, though.
1:05:25
Speaker 5: Jack's a little bit of a jerk. He's just a
1:05:26
Speaker 5: charming He's a Tony Stark. He's a charming jer But.
1:05:30
Speaker 4: I was I'm like a bit worried.
1:05:31
Speaker 3: Then, Okay, well, how do you use these guys and
1:05:34
Speaker 3: not just feel like it's just a little bit of
1:05:36
Speaker 3: fan service and for Jack to show up and they're
1:05:40
Speaker 3: sort of Mercury rising that code out there, and Mummy,
1:05:43
Speaker 3: I figured out the cold you know, and and and
1:05:45
Speaker 3: and I get that absolutely for his home, same ship, right,
1:05:52
Speaker 3: so little little little boy sixtens.
1:05:54
Speaker 4: Boy was it sixtens kid was No, it was different,
1:05:55
Speaker 4: different yets.
1:05:56
Speaker 3: Sorry, they look the same that age. And he's like,
1:06:00
Speaker 3: is he autistic or he's got Yeah, he's on the
1:06:02
Speaker 3: spectrum and he's doing like just like booklets, like math,
1:06:07
Speaker 3: like the kids doing shit. Yeah, And he figures out
1:06:09
Speaker 3: this like government code and he does a phone number
1:06:12
Speaker 3: because it's what he figures out. And then like the
1:06:14
Speaker 3: government are trying to kill this kid, but any mo, yeah,
1:06:18
Speaker 3: very cool.
1:06:19
Speaker 2: Where they try and kill kids, especially autistic kids.
1:06:23
Speaker 3: It's just like the nineties were wild, you could do
1:06:25
Speaker 3: shit like that. But that that was cool to see
1:06:28
Speaker 3: O'Neills pop up in that way. And obviously then he's
1:06:31
Speaker 3: you know, even featuring an episode two. But then we
1:06:36
Speaker 3: get yeah, Jackson doing his thing, and I'm like, okay,
1:06:38
Speaker 3: that's cool. It's not even it feels different of him
1:06:40
Speaker 3: not being present in the scene that he was just
1:06:42
Speaker 3: on a video. It's not like we've oh, you just
1:06:44
Speaker 3: happen walking past when this coincidental thing is happening. It's like, no,
1:06:48
Speaker 3: he's just on stock, he's on file there. And then
1:06:50
Speaker 3: even for Carter to just be like on the ship
1:06:53
Speaker 3: and they go hey, Colonel blah, and then it just
1:06:55
Speaker 3: goes into the bridge of the ship and she's running
1:06:57
Speaker 3: around while sparks are flying.
1:06:58
Speaker 4: There was no like, get Samantha Carter on the line
1:07:01
Speaker 4: or like.
1:07:02
Speaker 3: Where is It was just they threw it out there
1:07:04
Speaker 3: like it was casual dialogue because there's colonel up there,
1:07:06
Speaker 3: and then we as an audience like, oh no, we
1:07:08
Speaker 3: know that colonel.
1:07:09
Speaker 4: Like that was kind of cool. They didn't have her
1:07:11
Speaker 4: walking slowly into a room and make an entrance.
1:07:14
Speaker 2: By the way, when Voyager departed from.
1:07:18
Speaker 5: Definitely started D Space nine, the enterprise was Thearon Picard
1:07:22
Speaker 5: and Cisco are having a conversation to each other.
1:07:24
Speaker 2: I wish I had Lieutenant Scott's line.
1:07:28
Speaker 4: Shut up.
1:07:30
Speaker 3: Even with all that stuff, right, like when you're like, okay,
1:07:33
Speaker 3: does someone take charge of someone be professional?
1:07:35
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm kind of I kind of dig the.
1:07:39
Speaker 3: Idea that they've just all of a sudden, Okay, they
1:07:41
Speaker 3: were nearly killed and so they've escaped this thing. They
1:07:43
Speaker 3: don't know where they are, Okay, now we're on a ship.
1:07:45
Speaker 3: By the way, the airs running out. They're all just
1:07:47
Speaker 3: freaking out. Caterers are there going I used to cook? Well, yeah,
1:07:51
Speaker 3: don't anymore.
1:07:52
Speaker 4: But you know, I'm here.
1:07:53
Speaker 3: It's like cool, where's someone that knows what they're doing. Yeah,
1:07:55
Speaker 3: and they're all freaking out. So I'm like, yeah, that
1:07:58
Speaker 3: would probably happen. But then old mate walks in and
1:08:01
Speaker 3: and then.
1:08:02
Speaker 4: I went to say, stiffl it's not stiff flut Shooter
1:08:05
Speaker 4: comes up and it's like but boy, and he's like
1:08:07
Speaker 4: just shut up.
1:08:07
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, dude, but you know what, and yeah,
1:08:11
Speaker 3: there's kind of no rules. We're in international waters.
1:08:13
Speaker 4: Like yes.
1:08:14
Speaker 7: Well.
1:08:14
Speaker 5: It's an interesting point is Rush is essentially the only
1:08:18
Speaker 5: person on that ship who was ever intended to be there.
1:08:22
Speaker 2: So Colonel Young was in charge of Icarus Space. It
1:08:25
Speaker 2: was lou Diamond.
1:08:26
Speaker 5: Phillips, Colonel Tell, Colonel Telford, he was the one that
1:08:29
Speaker 5: was supposed to lead the expedition. He wasn't there because
1:08:32
Speaker 5: he jumped in the glider.
1:08:33
Speaker 6: To go and.
1:08:35
Speaker 2: Seriously, I had to rewinded a few so because Telford's
1:08:39
Speaker 2: in the in the dining hall, in the office's lounge, whatever,
1:08:44
Speaker 2: it having food and then all of a sudden he's
1:08:47
Speaker 2: not there. But before that, when they when they were
1:08:50
Speaker 2: going to dial Destiny, they said, we'll send a probe
1:08:55
Speaker 2: and if it's good, then we'll send a team. Where
1:08:57
Speaker 2: was the team, Yes, it was Telford and Rush with Yeah,
1:09:01
Speaker 2: but yes, those the people in like Star wars land
1:09:05
Speaker 2: next next to the rant.
1:09:06
Speaker 4: That's what I took because it was it was explaining
1:09:10
Speaker 4: it and they're like, what are they for?
1:09:13
Speaker 3: No, no, no, they're not doing anything. Now we're going
1:09:15
Speaker 3: to test it. Then we'll talk about maybe going.
1:09:17
Speaker 5: I didn't say them specifically, it's kind of I think
1:09:21
Speaker 5: some of them got beamed up by by the Hammond
1:09:25
Speaker 5: but they left the shielding, yes, but then yeah, but
1:09:29
Speaker 5: then the others behind the shielding, I think I feel
1:09:32
Speaker 5: like all of them just went to the gliders to
1:09:35
Speaker 5: defend the probably because they were the most qualified people,
1:09:37
Speaker 5: whereas everyone else who actually then evacuated were all supposed
1:09:40
Speaker 5: to stay on Icarospace, which I mean they would have
1:09:42
Speaker 5: died if they said.
1:09:44
Speaker 2: Something that bugged me, though obviously probably would have bugged
1:09:46
Speaker 2: you as well. Is the fact that it was Loution Alliance.
1:09:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, had to rewind. I'm like well, here's the thing.
1:09:53
Speaker 5: In the original broadcast version, you don't have the scene
1:09:56
Speaker 5: where Rush confirms to Eloi that it was the Loution Alliance,
1:10:00
Speaker 5: So you actually don't get confirmation of that until much
1:10:02
Speaker 5: later in this season. But the thing that bugged me
1:10:06
Speaker 5: is and I get it because there was, like, you know,
1:10:10
Speaker 5: there was glide. There's the amazing scene where the glider
1:10:12
Speaker 5: comes down and like hits the tower that I thought
1:10:15
Speaker 5: was beautiful.
1:10:15
Speaker 2: That whole cg the Hattack looked like a million bucks,
1:10:18
Speaker 2: looked great. The problem is.
1:10:23
Speaker 5: Carter has the Hammond, which was going to be the
1:10:25
Speaker 5: Phoenix and now it's called the George Hammond. It would
1:10:28
Speaker 5: have as guard beam technology like in beam weapons, so
1:10:32
Speaker 5: we should have been able to take out those attacks
1:10:34
Speaker 5: before they launched fighters. So I was like, yeah, that's
1:10:38
Speaker 5: a little bit of a cop out, like she should
1:10:40
Speaker 5: have been No, so not beaming technology, I mean the
1:10:43
Speaker 5: as guard beam weapons like the ones that we've used
1:10:47
Speaker 5: to on the Odyssey to take out ari I ships
1:10:49
Speaker 5: and all that kind of thing. Cartership was fresh off
1:10:53
Speaker 5: the line because we heard an enemy at the gate.
1:10:55
Speaker 5: There was that whole scene that she has with Shepherd
1:10:57
Speaker 5: about how she's been given command of the Phoenix, and
1:10:59
Speaker 5: then she said, no, no, it's not the Phoenix being
1:11:01
Speaker 5: renamed the George Hammond because passed away.
1:11:04
Speaker 2: And they were killing Raith ships and was being fitted.
1:11:06
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:11:07
Speaker 5: Wow, that was in the in the season four finale,
1:11:09
Speaker 5: that was still the Phoenix. Yeah, but it was still
1:11:11
Speaker 5: the same ship exactly exact same weapons, so she'd been
1:11:15
Speaker 5: able to take out a lot more of that.
1:11:16
Speaker 3: But I understand they needed to do it for the
1:11:18
Speaker 3: sake of the of the episode, but you could have
1:11:20
Speaker 3: even had something that the loosening a lines. But they
1:11:23
Speaker 3: did get a shot off that's caused you know, down
1:11:26
Speaker 3: to the base and it's caused some chain reaction and
1:11:28
Speaker 3: then with the gate starting to be building up, that's
1:11:30
Speaker 3: what both those things happening. Like they could have fired
1:11:33
Speaker 3: off something in their attack. The George Hammond destroys them all,
1:11:37
Speaker 3: but their damage along with the gates, you know, firing
1:11:40
Speaker 3: upain reactions.
1:11:42
Speaker 2: Is basically what happened.
1:11:44
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's something you said, Brendan is Yeah, like
1:11:47
Speaker 5: you said, it felt rushed, and I kind of feel
1:11:49
Speaker 5: the same that for a three episode opener. Yeah, I
1:11:52
Speaker 5: feel like there were important things that were rushed, but
1:11:55
Speaker 5: then other things that dragged on, like for me personally,
1:11:58
Speaker 5: and we'll get to it in the next step. So
1:12:00
Speaker 5: I don't think we need an entire episode of being
1:12:02
Speaker 5: on that desert. That could have been ten minutes and
1:12:05
Speaker 5: we could have fleshed out more of the start. But yeah,
1:12:09
Speaker 5: I also feel like maybe, and we've spoken about it
1:12:12
Speaker 5: a lot before, when the writers seem to be unsure
1:12:16
Speaker 5: that the opening is going to grab people, they do
1:12:18
Speaker 5: that timey whinmy jump thing where they give you the
1:12:20
Speaker 5: action straight up because they don't think that a slow
1:12:23
Speaker 5: burn is going to build up to it.
1:12:24
Speaker 2: I would have liked to have seen this.
1:12:26
Speaker 5: In chronological order, spend a little more time once edit.
1:12:30
Speaker 4: For you then, but I'll take that liking to edit
1:12:33
Speaker 4: a little bit across a couple.
1:12:35
Speaker 2: I love the opening with the destiny like and the
1:12:38
Speaker 2: and the actor's names coming up and the epic Goldsmiths score.
1:12:42
Speaker 5: I love that the flashback when TJ is talking with
1:12:46
Speaker 5: Camille about TJ, how she was she wanting to leave
1:12:51
Speaker 5: because she got her scholarship and all that kind of
1:12:53
Speaker 5: that can stay as a flashback where it was.
1:12:55
Speaker 2: But just in terms of.
1:12:57
Speaker 5: The whole evacuation of Icarus and the way that was
1:13:00
Speaker 5: all chopped around. I would actually have liked to have
1:13:02
Speaker 5: seen that all take place chronologically. But the flashback to
1:13:07
Speaker 5: Young talking to his wife and those sort of things.
1:13:11
Speaker 2: Can get confused when they're using the stones to go
1:13:14
Speaker 2: back to Earth once they're on Destiny, like, hang on,
1:13:17
Speaker 2: is this the flashback or are they on actual in
1:13:19
Speaker 2: present time? So that can be confusing.
1:13:22
Speaker 5: Absolutely a little bit of trivia, fun trivia, given that
1:13:25
Speaker 5: it would have only been a year before this, or
1:13:27
Speaker 5: maybe two years at the most, we had the re
1:13:29
Speaker 5: release of Children of the Gods where they took out
1:13:32
Speaker 5: the bush and the boobs.
1:13:34
Speaker 2: This is and this is a bit of trivia.
1:13:36
Speaker 5: I read this is the first episode of the franchise
1:13:39
Speaker 5: to feature a sex scene when.
1:13:41
Speaker 2: It comes to the dide hump or in the locker.
1:13:47
Speaker 5: Room or and that's a perfect setup actually to a
1:13:50
Speaker 5: bit of audio I grabbed from the audio commentary. I
1:13:53
Speaker 5: don't think it was intentional, but the audio commentary is
1:13:55
Speaker 5: done by Eli Chloe and Lieutenant Scott. See if you
1:14:00
Speaker 5: recognize the noise they make when you first see the stargate.
1:14:03
Speaker 2: Wait wait for its do it?
1:14:14
Speaker 4: And that's the title of the show.
1:14:16
Speaker 2: Okay, wait for it first person to get pooped through
1:14:20
Speaker 2: the gate, first supposed to get pooped through the gates.
1:14:23
Speaker 5: But yeah, they sounded like the plant people, the plant people,
1:14:26
Speaker 5: the ground dicking people for a minute.
1:14:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fantastic, that was quite good. I want to
1:14:34
Speaker 2: talk about Senator Alan Armstrong. Our great shooting McGavin excellence,
1:14:39
Speaker 2: Alan Armstrong, I got, I did some research. He made
1:14:41
Speaker 2: them consummate professional. As you know, Alan Armstrong is the
1:14:45
Speaker 2: Senator for California and unfortunately for Chloe her father. Without
1:14:49
Speaker 2: spoiling anything for Mitch, we will soon learn that O'Neill
1:14:53
Speaker 2: has had some of his all time favorite arguments with
1:14:56
Speaker 2: this man. And it turns out O'Neill wasn't alone eyes.
1:15:01
Speaker 2: I've since discovered that Alan Armstrong is not particularly well
1:15:05
Speaker 2: liked on Capitol Hill. In fact, the other senators have
1:15:09
Speaker 2: a nickname for the Senator. They call him Tuesday, not Monday, Tuesday,
1:15:15
Speaker 2: as in see you next. Yeah. Also, you know Tuesday
1:15:21
Speaker 2: is a pretty boring day. It's when he rolls into
1:15:23
Speaker 2: d C. I think, by all accounts, he's difficult, and
1:15:28
Speaker 2: I have three pieces of evidence to back that up.
1:15:32
Speaker 2: Senator Alan Armstrong aka Tuesday, has been known to overshare.
1:15:38
Speaker 2: He appears almost compelled to really reveal more than he should,
1:15:42
Speaker 2: often to his own political detriment. The man is an oversharer.
1:15:46
Speaker 2: Please play exhibit.
1:15:47
Speaker 9: A, Senator, he's my honor of welcome, Depris.
1:15:59
Speaker 2: My second of assistance. She's also my daughter.
1:16:03
Speaker 9: Oh, if case you were wondering, is just a little.
1:16:06
Speaker 4: Longer than I left.
1:16:07
Speaker 2: Should we go in snow? You can't help but to
1:16:09
Speaker 2: overshare that for some reason, he's compelled well, I mean.
1:16:12
Speaker 5: His spoiler for episode two, but his wife is an
1:16:16
Speaker 5: overshare and that she she brags about how she knows
1:16:19
Speaker 5: the president and if they don't bring Chloe home, she's
1:16:22
Speaker 5: going public.
1:16:23
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, that could be the news here. If
1:16:25
Speaker 2: you're friends with the president.
1:16:27
Speaker 5: The president knows what all about this, all about that
1:16:31
Speaker 5: kind of stuff, So you're kind of throwing your mate
1:16:32
Speaker 5: under the bus.
1:16:33
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I wonder if it's still President Hayes. Mmmm, that'd
1:16:37
Speaker 2: be interesting. In the automedy, they said, so that's Obama, right,
1:16:40
Speaker 2: and I'm.
1:16:41
Speaker 4: Like, come on, I think it was Hayes. I like Hayes.
1:16:45
Speaker 2: Like the actor. Senator Alan Armstrong aka Tuesday, has been
1:16:49
Speaker 2: known to be quite impatient. The man has no patience.
1:16:54
Speaker 2: Some say he's easily bored. Please pay Exhibit B. No,
1:17:03
Speaker 2: as you know to unlock the Stargates nine from Final Show,
1:17:06
Speaker 2: what's say we get armed? It absolutely saga.
1:17:09
Speaker 5: Running So run one encoded, run one, lock, got run
1:17:15
Speaker 5: two locked?
1:17:16
Speaker 2: Oh you can chount.
1:17:17
Speaker 5: Good for you.
1:17:19
Speaker 2: Run nine will not lock?
1:17:23
Speaker 9: Did you the word?
1:17:25
Speaker 5: Well, you're facts.
1:17:30
Speaker 2: Senator Alan Armstrong aka Tuesday is known to be testy
1:17:34
Speaker 2: when interrupted. Do not interrupt him because if you stuff around,
1:17:39
Speaker 2: you'll find out he can be absolutely cutting with his words.
1:17:44
Speaker 2: Please play exhibit see I believe in twenty Yeah, I
1:17:51
Speaker 2: would like to propose the toast.
1:17:53
Speaker 4: It's really not necessary not to you these pieces a
1:17:56
Speaker 4: ship like you for breakfast now. It seemed clear to
1:17:59
Speaker 4: me at the time.
1:18:01
Speaker 2: Chloe's used to it. Thank you, Tuesday. I think we
1:18:04
Speaker 2: found our new Austin Powers star get Universe.
1:18:09
Speaker 4: Just quickly back onto the gate, technician, try it before,
1:18:13
Speaker 4: just before.
1:18:13
Speaker 5: Because I have a little bit of Scooter McGavin as well. Yeah, scooter, scooter,
1:18:17
Speaker 5: shooter shooter. Sorry it's been I'm a I'm a Billy
1:18:22
Speaker 5: Madison boy, so that's my They do reference the great
1:18:28
Speaker 5: what's his name something McDonald Donald Christopher Chris. They do
1:18:32
Speaker 5: reference him in the audio commentary and all of his
1:18:36
Speaker 5: great work.
1:18:38
Speaker 7: I just love the weird sci fi geek connection between
1:18:40
Speaker 7: Star Trek and Next Generation and us now because he
1:18:43
Speaker 7: was in the episode yesterday's Enterprise and now he's here
1:18:46
Speaker 7: on our chef.
1:18:47
Speaker 4: Why would you do that?
1:18:50
Speaker 5: That was it?
1:18:52
Speaker 7: That was it?
1:18:53
Speaker 4: That was it?
1:18:54
Speaker 2: Yep. I didn't say anything. That was all Eli, that
1:18:57
Speaker 2: was anything else.
1:18:58
Speaker 4: That was all David. That was all David.
1:19:00
Speaker 2: Watch all David.
1:19:03
Speaker 3: For anyone that is has joining us for the first time,
1:19:06
Speaker 3: we should the reason why we keep blowing up about this.
1:19:08
Speaker 3: And this is a Stargate podcast manning three striction. You're
1:19:11
Speaker 3: out talking about the the other one, the better one, one.
1:19:14
Speaker 4: Of the other one. Hey, we don't invite you here
1:19:21
Speaker 4: because invite invite That's not what's happening. Not what's happening.
1:19:26
Speaker 5: I'm sorry the three of us here, which one has
1:19:28
Speaker 5: the flawless attendance record?
1:19:31
Speaker 2: I mean, we couldn't stop that. We tried a sumptuous
1:19:35
Speaker 2: Chinese meal. Remember when Maddie was in America for four weeks. God,
1:19:40
Speaker 2: if we hadn't done a podcast when he was there,
1:19:43
Speaker 2: we wouldn't have heard the imagine it was like a
1:19:45
Speaker 2: real key weird. I set it up.
1:19:49
Speaker 5: I set up so you guys can do episodes and
1:19:51
Speaker 5: you useless muppet man children loyal, couldn't.
1:19:56
Speaker 4: Think loyal is the adjective you're looking for.
1:19:58
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
1:19:59
Speaker 5: Yeah, flawless, couldn't, couldn't organize yourselves.
1:20:02
Speaker 4: Out of the wet It's not like we are the
1:20:06
Speaker 4: Stargate guys that were. You know what, Let's get a
1:20:09
Speaker 4: contributor who prefers another franchise and just bring them in
1:20:14
Speaker 4: to get their take.
1:20:16
Speaker 3: You know so, I have no doubt that that's how
1:20:18
Speaker 3: you feel. But that's an opinion. I'd appreciate you keep
1:20:21
Speaker 3: it to you goddamn self.
1:20:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's okay because you guys are both fans
1:20:26
Speaker 2: the Lord of the Rings.
1:20:27
Speaker 5: So when that ship gets brought up, I mean not
1:20:29
Speaker 5: every time, three times per episode, even though.
1:20:38
Speaker 2: When was the last time my microphone got turned off?
1:20:40
Speaker 2: It's been a while. Well, it should have already been,
1:20:43
Speaker 2: it really should have. Who's who is the bad guy
1:20:47
Speaker 2: in this show? Mitch is probably a better option. Well,
1:20:52
Speaker 2: I think the question is who's the good guy in
1:20:53
Speaker 2: this Yeah? I mean, like, but who who did you
1:20:56
Speaker 2: find yourself, Like the writers wrote in a certain way,
1:21:00
Speaker 2: who did you feel like was the guy who was
1:21:04
Speaker 2: meant to be the bad?
1:21:05
Speaker 5: Well?
1:21:05
Speaker 4: Rush?
1:21:06
Speaker 3: But that that's that It might be a simpleton answer,
1:21:08
Speaker 3: but it's like he I'm there going, well, what is
1:21:12
Speaker 3: what more?
1:21:13
Speaker 4: Does he know?
1:21:14
Speaker 6: What?
1:21:14
Speaker 2: What?
1:21:14
Speaker 4: What is there about?
1:21:15
Speaker 3: What is there some secret about him as a as
1:21:17
Speaker 3: a human or maybe a non human or something or
1:21:20
Speaker 3: what does he know that he's found in his research
1:21:23
Speaker 3: that he's not sharing with others, but it's manipulating what's
1:21:26
Speaker 3: going on around him or using and taking to his
1:21:30
Speaker 3: advantage the ship that's going on that he hasn't planned
1:21:34
Speaker 3: to still get through and do his mission.
1:21:37
Speaker 4: I feel like that way.
1:21:37
Speaker 3: But then yeah, like everyone's got something else, and even
1:21:41
Speaker 3: like young and I'm like, what's what's your thing? And
1:21:44
Speaker 3: what what do I what am I supposed to be
1:21:46
Speaker 3: watching if not not not be curious about, but watching
1:21:50
Speaker 3: to do with you?
1:21:51
Speaker 4: And even just there.
1:21:54
Speaker 3: They're infighting like we've we've watched, you know, the better
1:21:57
Speaker 3: one obviously being Jack and Daniel, but that's more like
1:22:01
Speaker 3: ideological and watching the way that O'Neill handles it as
1:22:05
Speaker 3: a military guide to Daniel handling it. You know with
1:22:09
Speaker 3: you know, thinking about the mythology and the religious aspects
1:22:13
Speaker 3: and just more about people and whatever it might be.
1:22:15
Speaker 3: But just their class I wanted to do was so
1:22:19
Speaker 3: great for so many seasons of SG one, whereas this
1:22:23
Speaker 3: it's not as simple as maybe even as like, you know,
1:22:27
Speaker 3: depending on which argument O'Neil and Jackson, I'd be like, oh,
1:22:29
Speaker 3: I'm all onel on this one, or you could definitely
1:22:32
Speaker 3: side with both, but like because it was a case
1:22:34
Speaker 3: by case episode, whereas here the only my entire SGU
1:22:40
Speaker 3: experience is only a couple of episodes, and it's like
1:22:43
Speaker 3: they're still arguing about the one thing because it is
1:22:45
Speaker 3: so far just this continuous story or just a very
1:22:48
Speaker 3: long pilot.
1:22:49
Speaker 2: So I think it is intended to say that Rush
1:22:52
Speaker 2: is the bad guy. I don't think that's that's anything
1:22:55
Speaker 2: bad to say, But like Russia, often the main criticism
1:22:59
Speaker 2: he gets is that he put the Destiny Crew or yeah,
1:23:02
Speaker 2: the Destiny Crew into the situation where they couldn't get
1:23:05
Speaker 2: up home or it was at least uncertain. But if
1:23:08
Speaker 2: you're going to judge Rush from that, then you should
1:23:11
Speaker 2: hold Daniel Jackson to the same story, because he did
1:23:13
Speaker 2: that in the movie. He told them that he had
1:23:16
Speaker 2: information that he didn't have. He told them he could
1:23:18
Speaker 2: get them home from Abidos. He didn't have that information
1:23:22
Speaker 2: when they left, and the rest of the team were
1:23:24
Speaker 2: filthy with him. Yeah, there was the joke in nine
1:23:28
Speaker 2: to ten where you know, Varla and Daniel get the
1:23:31
Speaker 2: blame for the ari. Yeah, it was their fault for
1:23:34
Speaker 2: the our and that kind of thing.
1:23:35
Speaker 7: I think.
1:23:35
Speaker 5: I don't know that I necessarily see Rush as a villain.
1:23:40
Speaker 5: I just see a lot of flawed people.
1:23:43
Speaker 3: That all just dangerous. I look at him, he's dangerous,
1:23:46
Speaker 3: but I don't want to stop him.
1:23:48
Speaker 2: Yeahah, I want to.
1:23:49
Speaker 4: I want to. I want to give him a very
1:23:50
Speaker 4: long leash.
1:23:51
Speaker 5: He's McKay, but he's amped up in like McKay. He's
1:23:54
Speaker 5: kind of McKay's incredibly intelligent. McKay's a jerk, but at
1:24:00
Speaker 5: the end of the day, McKay does have that heart
1:24:03
Speaker 5: of gold kind of thing, like when when he's really
1:24:06
Speaker 5: up against it and push comes to shove, McKay knows
1:24:10
Speaker 5: morally what is the best thing, and it's not always
1:24:13
Speaker 5: in his best interests. He knows, whereas Rush, at the
1:24:19
Speaker 5: end of the day, everything is calculated to be within
1:24:23
Speaker 5: his best interests. So I think that's that's the way
1:24:26
Speaker 5: it is, because then you look at Colonel Young and
1:24:29
Speaker 5: it's like he should be the O'Neill character. But as
1:24:32
Speaker 5: you said, Mitch, you saw like a little bit with
1:24:34
Speaker 5: him and TJ. And he's got a few secrets. Telford
1:24:37
Speaker 5: seems to have a few little secrets someone that and
1:24:40
Speaker 5: I don't.
1:24:41
Speaker 2: I feel like Rushi is ultimately just a complete pragmatist,
1:24:46
Speaker 2: meaning he'll he knows what should happen. If he thinks
1:24:50
Speaker 2: someone's going to interfere with that, he just won't tell them.
1:24:52
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say he's definitely the closest to being
1:24:55
Speaker 5: an antagonist. Yeah, but in a way he's also the protagonists.
1:24:59
Speaker 5: But also like Eli is, A is a protagonist in
1:25:02
Speaker 5: terms of I think he's the entry level for us
1:25:04
Speaker 5: as the as the audience, someone that I never warmed
1:25:08
Speaker 5: to and I'm interested to see how it progresses in
1:25:11
Speaker 5: this watch through. But Grea always made me uneasy. Yeah,
1:25:17
Speaker 5: Sergeant Grea. So like there's the moment where you see
1:25:20
Speaker 5: he's he's been locked up for doing something, Camille recognizes him.
1:25:26
Speaker 5: You were locked up Young, you know, unlocked him while
1:25:29
Speaker 5: the attack was having says, we need you. There's a
1:25:33
Speaker 5: there's a deleted scene moment where he helps save someone's
1:25:36
Speaker 5: life or something like that. I can't remember quite a bit,
1:25:38
Speaker 5: but that was sort of cut for time.
1:25:40
Speaker 3: It was a great line. It was like, hey, consider
1:25:42
Speaker 3: your charges dropped. Go take your anger out of them.
1:25:46
Speaker 5: He's a fantastic actor because when you see him, like
1:25:48
Speaker 5: interviews with him and stuff like that, he's just a normal,
1:25:50
Speaker 5: jovial kind of guy. But just I think it just
1:25:53
Speaker 5: shows what a good actor is because he's always like
1:25:55
Speaker 5: scanning the room and picking his targets, and he's always
1:26:00
Speaker 5: he just he rubs me the wrong way, even when
1:26:02
Speaker 5: he does good things, you know, like because well, we'll
1:26:05
Speaker 5: get to it in episode three, but Greer always makes
1:26:08
Speaker 5: me really uneasy.
1:26:09
Speaker 3: I feel like we on screen time wise, he'd hardly
1:26:13
Speaker 3: been on there before he was holding that gun up
1:26:15
Speaker 3: to Rush, who was ready to switch the life systems.
1:26:17
Speaker 2: And I don't actually blame Grif for that. I blame
1:26:20
Speaker 2: Eli because he's like, you don't even know what you're doing.
1:26:23
Speaker 2: I do know what I'm doing. You literally came yesterday
1:26:26
Speaker 2: because you played a video game, right, yeah, like zero pressure.
1:26:30
Speaker 2: But it's just typical millennial, not not earning anything but
1:26:34
Speaker 2: expecting everything and be like, I'm right, you're right. What's
1:26:36
Speaker 2: that line for a Jurassic Park? You stood on the
1:26:38
Speaker 2: shoulders of everyone else who learned before you. We just
1:26:40
Speaker 2: like didn't didn't retrace those steps. You just went to
1:26:42
Speaker 2: do the next thing.
1:26:43
Speaker 4: And something that I.
1:26:43
Speaker 2: Picked up on in the audio commentary that Brian J.
1:26:47
Speaker 5: Smith, who plays Lieutenant Scott, was talking about, and it's
1:26:49
Speaker 5: something that I don't think they ever really lean on
1:26:51
Speaker 5: in the show is the way Scott talks to Greer.
1:26:57
Speaker 2: He never really gives him an order.
1:26:58
Speaker 5: It's a lieutenant and a so Greer is an enlisted man,
1:27:02
Speaker 5: you know, he's he's essentially, you know.
1:27:04
Speaker 2: A Walter Right, chief Master's sergeant something like that. Yeah.
1:27:11
Speaker 2: Something that Brian J.
1:27:12
Speaker 5: Smith points out in the audio commentary is Greer actually
1:27:15
Speaker 5: has years on Scott in terms of military experience and
1:27:20
Speaker 5: all that kind of thing and knowledge. Scott does say
1:27:24
Speaker 5: maybe in one of the deleted scenes, he's basically fresh
1:27:27
Speaker 5: out of the academy. He only graduated a couple of
1:27:30
Speaker 5: months ago. So this was his first posting after going
1:27:32
Speaker 5: through SGC.
1:27:33
Speaker 2: Through all the cadets.
1:27:34
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's why like you'll notice, like you know,
1:27:38
Speaker 5: when you look at Scott was yelling at at Shoot
1:27:40
Speaker 5: McGavin and yelling at everybody, but when he talks to Greer,
1:27:43
Speaker 5: it's he's talking to him as an equal. Because I
1:27:45
Speaker 5: feel like, now knowing what Brian J. Smith has said,
1:27:50
Speaker 5: Scott knows that he feels uncomfortable the fact that he
1:27:55
Speaker 5: technically outranks Grea, so he's not willing to give him
1:27:58
Speaker 5: a straight up order.
1:27:59
Speaker 2: He's just like can you do this? Or me, can
1:28:01
Speaker 2: you do this? Because he acknowledges that Green knows more
1:28:04
Speaker 2: than he does his more experience.
1:28:06
Speaker 5: But I feel like that's something that doesn't really get
1:28:07
Speaker 5: explored in the show moving forward.
1:28:09
Speaker 2: I like it interested to see that never picked it up,
1:28:12
Speaker 2: to be honest, Yeah, I only picked it up in
1:28:13
Speaker 2: the audio commentary.
1:28:14
Speaker 3: Even his handling of Rush where Rush comes out like
1:28:17
Speaker 3: you know, we see him hold the stones but do
1:28:19
Speaker 3: nothing else. And I mean obviously we see doctor Lee
1:28:22
Speaker 3: sort of like what's going on? He's me, you know,
1:28:25
Speaker 3: here I am, and then cut to Rush coming out
1:28:27
Speaker 3: and going I've spoken to.
1:28:28
Speaker 4: Earth, I am now in charge. You're like, yeah, what's
1:28:32
Speaker 4: going on here?
1:28:33
Speaker 5: And that's the broadcast version In the extended version, you
1:28:36
Speaker 5: actually get the scene of Rush and O'Neill having their conversation.
1:28:40
Speaker 2: I'll play a little clip crazy that, but it's so
1:28:43
Speaker 2: weird they cut that out.
1:28:44
Speaker 4: It's crazy because that like again, yeah, you go, oh
1:28:47
Speaker 4: he's lying, and they completely I think changes.
1:28:50
Speaker 2: What yeah, because if you don't see that scene, you're like, oh,
1:28:52
Speaker 2: then O'Neill said he is in charge.
1:28:54
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, and him saying that, and then you
1:28:59
Speaker 3: get Sky looking at him like kind of shaking his head.
1:29:01
Speaker 4: I can't believe this or I don't believe it.
1:29:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel like he's like he just wanted
1:29:07
Speaker 2: to control the crowd. Yeah, get everyone to the room.
1:29:09
Speaker 2: And then he's like, I got you back on this.
1:29:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love I love that, Like he was there
1:29:14
Speaker 3: going I don't agree with it, and I'm not even
1:29:16
Speaker 3: if I I don't believe it, but even if I
1:29:18
Speaker 3: do it, I don't like it. But then to go
1:29:19
Speaker 3: up there and go, yeah, yeah, you got to shortly
1:29:21
Speaker 3: shit mate, and I'm like, I actually really yeah, I
1:29:23
Speaker 3: like that.
1:29:24
Speaker 2: I think, like you, I want to like Scott, but
1:29:26
Speaker 2: then he does some dumb things. I really liked the
1:29:29
Speaker 2: Colonel until a little bit later and Young, Colonel Young
1:29:33
Speaker 2: just a lot of work. I don't know why. I
1:29:36
Speaker 2: love that line where he says that to Rush all
1:29:39
Speaker 2: the time.
1:29:39
Speaker 5: Yeah, I liked Young more this time in this rewatch, watching,
1:29:43
Speaker 5: especially episode two and three when he yeah, you know,
1:29:45
Speaker 5: talks with Chloe and a few other bits and pieces.
1:29:48
Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, he's actually kind of not as
1:29:50
Speaker 5: not as jar heady as I thought he was, you
1:29:52
Speaker 5: know one of my earlier rewatches.
1:29:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, should just see. I mean, there's so
1:29:57
Speaker 2: many things we haven't even touched yet, like the whole
1:30:00
Speaker 2: relationship with Eli. He says, Oh, Chloe, how did you
1:30:03
Speaker 2: get into the political sphere? And she's like, I went
1:30:06
Speaker 2: to Harvard or something, and then next minute finds out, no,
1:30:09
Speaker 2: it's just neo baby.
1:30:14
Speaker 5: Potentially wrap it up here and then we'll talk a
1:30:16
Speaker 5: bit more about that in the next episode, because that'll
1:30:18
Speaker 5: cover a little bit more of we can touch on
1:30:20
Speaker 5: a little bit of you know, the episode two noess
1:30:22
Speaker 5: of it all, but then also episode three with the
1:30:24
Speaker 5: with the desert planet and stuff like that, something I
1:30:27
Speaker 5: did want to mention because she just brought up Chloe.
1:30:29
Speaker 5: Another part they mentioned in the audio commentary is the
1:30:33
Speaker 5: the through line that Adie mcketa gave to Chloe during
1:30:36
Speaker 5: that dinner scene is apparently she was flirting with Telford
1:30:41
Speaker 5: Lou Diamond Phillips, which I didn't see maybe got cut
1:30:45
Speaker 5: around to, but that's why she was sort of drinking
1:30:47
Speaker 5: a lot.
1:30:48
Speaker 2: Apparently she was a bit taken with Telford. I didn't
1:30:51
Speaker 2: pick that up. I just thought she was drinking because yeah,
1:30:57
Speaker 2: absolutely interesting.
1:30:58
Speaker 3: Well, see it makes tend to me because I'm like, oh,
1:31:00
Speaker 3: she's embarrassed because of what he's about to say. But
1:31:02
Speaker 3: he didn't really ever say anything that was that embarrassing
1:31:06
Speaker 3: or even.
1:31:07
Speaker 5: Except well, it was Chloe's idea for us to get
1:31:10
Speaker 5: young people involved, and her idea to put the code
1:31:12
Speaker 5: into the video game that and if you have.
1:31:15
Speaker 2: A daughter and you're proud of her, it's like and
1:31:17
Speaker 2: then she completely outdoes what you expect and all this. Yeah, okay,
1:31:21
Speaker 2: shut up.
1:31:23
Speaker 4: The wedding before we go.
1:31:25
Speaker 5: Before we go, I did reference before I'll just play
1:31:27
Speaker 5: a little clip of the O'Neill and Rush scene. I'm
1:31:34
Speaker 5: just going ahead because there's so many characters in this show.
1:31:37
Speaker 5: I'm never gonna use actors' names. It's just going to
1:31:39
Speaker 5: be the character. Because there's so many to keep track
1:31:42
Speaker 5: of the fact that I didn't know until I think
1:31:43
Speaker 5: season two that Lieutenant Scott's first name is Matthew.
1:31:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm just like, I had no idea.
1:31:48
Speaker 3: Yeah right, So for as a new as a newcomer
1:31:51
Speaker 3: to the show, I'm comparing it then to SG one
1:31:54
Speaker 3: or SGA Right. I was watching that for the first
1:31:56
Speaker 3: time during the podcast, and it's like, Okay, here's the
1:32:00
Speaker 3: main four people that you like that were you through
1:32:03
Speaker 3: line for the entire episode, and the next episode it's like,
1:32:06
Speaker 3: here's one new person, yeah, and here's the four and
1:32:09
Speaker 3: we're going to reiterate their names. The next one it
1:32:11
Speaker 3: was like, here's one and a half new people, whereas
1:32:13
Speaker 3: this it's just like here's every single like ninety five
1:32:17
Speaker 3: percent of the characters on screen are you, and none
1:32:20
Speaker 3: of them are going to be the focus of the
1:32:21
Speaker 3: show just yet.
1:32:25
Speaker 5: She's the only one who's name I know dead oh
1:32:27
Speaker 5: yeahs a few actually know. She has like two lines
1:32:30
Speaker 5: in all in all the opening three episodes.
1:32:32
Speaker 2: She's barely in it.
1:32:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, which I have to remind myself of
1:32:35
Speaker 3: when this came out and how like she was. She'd
1:32:38
Speaker 3: done some notable stuff, but like I know her a
1:32:40
Speaker 3: lot more from stuff she's done since.
1:32:42
Speaker 2: I feel like her. Her line was a little bit
1:32:44
Speaker 2: annoying because if she's meant to be hr and she says, Grier,
1:32:47
Speaker 2: why are you out in front of everyone?
1:32:49
Speaker 5: Yeah?
1:32:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, like couldn't do that stressful.
1:32:52
Speaker 4: Situation but still yeah. And when she's like Iowa and
1:32:54
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, I didn't.
1:32:56
Speaker 2: Wasn't the senior ranking ioa member here or you know
1:32:59
Speaker 2: something like that? Theyah, no, one cares.
1:33:02
Speaker 4: Wasn't there another? What planet were they on with the.
1:33:07
Speaker 2: US?
1:33:07
Speaker 1: No?
1:33:08
Speaker 4: In s G one and there was a planet with
1:33:10
Speaker 4: like bug or like something. She wasn't Okay, she was
1:33:17
Speaker 4: she in? Ioway? Yes, right, that's because I'm looking at
1:33:19
Speaker 4: this guy. This feels like a recast.
1:33:21
Speaker 3: I know it wasn't the same character, but I'm like,
1:33:23
Speaker 3: this feels like in hindsight, they're like, oh, we like this,
1:33:26
Speaker 3: like we we like that character, but let's get a
1:33:28
Speaker 3: better actress or well known actress.
1:33:31
Speaker 2: She was great. Love Daniel sounds that Daniel sounds girlfriend.
1:33:34
Speaker 4: I love, Yeah, And I thought she was a role
1:33:36
Speaker 4: but I went so it's you know absolutely yeah.
1:33:40
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:33:40
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'll just play this little clip of from
1:33:43
Speaker 5: Rush and rush in doctor Lee's body talking to O'Neill,
1:33:48
Speaker 5: just because there's a little there's a little line there
1:33:51
Speaker 5: that I feel like if I'd known this about eight
1:33:52
Speaker 5: years ago, I could have used it.
1:33:53
Speaker 6: So let me get this street instead of dialing up
1:33:57
Speaker 6: any one of a number of other planets in our galaxy.
1:34:00
Speaker 2: You took a bunch of unqualified people halfway across the universe.
1:34:03
Speaker 9: I took what I thought was our last chance to
1:34:06
Speaker 9: die on the ninth and final Chavron. I was successful.
1:34:10
Speaker 2: At that point.
1:34:11
Speaker 9: The gate couldn't be shot down again, Oh my god,
1:34:16
Speaker 9: across the.
1:34:20
Speaker 2: Anymore. Across the universes, you can't. No, absolutely not. Maybe
1:34:23
Speaker 2: every time.
1:34:24
Speaker 5: I mean back in like season four of Atlanta's I
1:34:26
Speaker 5: could have said, oh, we found its base, but I
1:34:29
Speaker 5: don't know, Like I said, season four and five, Atlantison
1:34:32
Speaker 5: Universe and my my blind spot.
1:34:33
Speaker 2: So I'll be it'll be much less useful than I've
1:34:36
Speaker 2: ever been in the people. Yeah, we can use that
1:34:39
Speaker 2: sting for the stones.
1:34:42
Speaker 4: Across these I mean that even just that where they
1:34:47
Speaker 4: said this is a star map, you know, and they're like, oh,
1:34:49
Speaker 4: that's that's the Milky Way. And I really appreciate was
1:34:53
Speaker 4: that Chloe who said that was I feel like it
1:34:55
Speaker 4: was a female character. I'm just saying it was Chloe,
1:34:57
Speaker 4: which is that's the Milky Way. And I'm like, it's
1:34:59
Speaker 4: pretty gener looking galaxy, how do you know? But okay, cool?
1:35:04
Speaker 4: And then when it just kept zooming it kind of
1:35:06
Speaker 4: like in the Pegasus Yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of like
1:35:09
Speaker 4: in the was it the movie?
1:35:10
Speaker 5: Right?
1:35:11
Speaker 4: Well?
1:35:11
Speaker 3: Yeah that was that was yeah in the movie where
1:35:16
Speaker 3: they sent what was the malport essentially whatever, and then
1:35:19
Speaker 3: you just saw the little thing.
1:35:20
Speaker 2: On Helium galaxy. Yeah, and it was just like traveling
1:35:22
Speaker 2: across the little bit that's where they're going, Yeah, across
1:35:26
Speaker 2: the other side of the known universe.
1:35:28
Speaker 3: But I'm like that was one thing in the movie.
1:35:30
Speaker 3: You're like, holy shit. And then in this show, even
1:35:34
Speaker 3: though we're like, ah we retro, actually it was just
1:35:37
Speaker 3: somewhere else in this galaxy. We're in this they're like
1:35:39
Speaker 3: jumping galaxy, the galaxy, the galaxy, and they're like, oh no,
1:35:42
Speaker 3: where billions, And I was like, this is that's pretty scary.
1:35:46
Speaker 3: Like midway through your first episode you're dropping that. And
1:35:49
Speaker 3: again it's called Stargate Universe, but I'm like, for me,
1:35:52
Speaker 3: it could just I don't know what that means. I
1:35:54
Speaker 3: guessed that that's exactly what it was, but when you
1:35:56
Speaker 3: actually see it, and I thought Robert Carlisle delivered that
1:35:59
Speaker 3: bit of you know, position essentially very well that it
1:36:02
Speaker 3: come across as scary as what.
1:36:04
Speaker 2: He's so good, carl and he's so good.
1:36:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Air part one. I know we've dabbled a
1:36:12
Speaker 4: little bit in parts two and three, but that's what
1:36:14
Speaker 4: we're going to do in next week's episode.
1:36:16
Speaker 2: If next week's episode is only fifteen minutes long.
1:36:19
Speaker 4: Then.
1:36:21
Speaker 2: Blame the desert, blame my point of origin.
1:36:25
Speaker 3: We've been talking for over an hour and a half
1:36:26
Speaker 3: at this point, but we covered a lot of trek becerus.
1:36:28
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we've got New Stargate to talk about.
1:36:30
Speaker 3: We've got Old Stargate to try and figure out what
1:36:32
Speaker 3: they wreckon here.
1:36:34
Speaker 2: We've got to Paris to other sci fi shows that
1:36:37
Speaker 2: we need to know.
1:36:38
Speaker 3: They shouldn't have made the cut. We'll be back at
1:36:42
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1:37:09
Speaker 2: The uncut exclusive.
1:37:10
Speaker 4: Extended uncut, Yeah, all the stuff.
1:37:12
Speaker 2: That hits the cutting room floor normally.
1:37:14
Speaker 3: Well, there was a talking about very uncut. I mean,
1:37:17
Speaker 3: there was a little preview to this episode that was
1:37:19
Speaker 3: exclusive to our Patreon.
1:37:20
Speaker 4: Audience, and we had our pre pre pre production.
1:37:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, and halfway through you get a phone call to
1:37:26
Speaker 3: say that our pizzas had been had arrived, so you
1:37:29
Speaker 3: went down and got them.
1:37:29
Speaker 4: Brenda and I just kicked on and.
1:37:31
Speaker 2: Just finally this finally an episode that it wasn't near
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Speaker 2: for
1:37:36
Speaker 4: Not really, it doesn't really count