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Ep. 797: Mindsets of the Whitetail Masters: Ben Rising · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to
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  Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the.
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  Speaker 2: Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on the show, we
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  Speaker 2: are continuing our new series diving into the habits, mindsets, methods,
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  Speaker 2: and routines of the best deer hunters in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Today we're joined by Ben Rising. All Right, welcome back
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  Speaker 2: to the wired ton podcast, brought to you by First
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  Speaker 2: Light and their Camo for Conservation Initiative, and we are
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  Speaker 2: back for a round two of this Mindsets of the
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  Speaker 2: Whitetail Masters series. So, as I mentioned last week when
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  Speaker 2: we kick this off with John Aberhart, the idea here
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  Speaker 2: is to get a look behind the scenes, kind of
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  Speaker 2: look behind the curtains, look under the hood, understand what's
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  Speaker 2: going on in the minds of the best of the
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  Speaker 2: best deer hunters. Not necessarily what their favorite tactics are,
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily what they think about certain aspects of deer
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  Speaker 2: behavior or deer sign or how they shoot their beut
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  Speaker 2: whatever is. I want to know how they do all
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  Speaker 2: those things from the beginning, Like what are the ways
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  Speaker 2: they think through challenging things, how do they solve problems,
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  Speaker 2: what are the habits that are important for them, what's
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  Speaker 2: the work ethic look for, what does their mental toughness
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  Speaker 2: comprise up? Those are the kinds of things that I'm
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  Speaker 2: interested in getting into. I want to understand the gears.
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  Speaker 2: I want to understand the machinery inside the V eight
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  Speaker 2: engine that powers these guys to be such incredible deer hunters.
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  Speaker 2: That's what we're trying to do in this series. And
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  Speaker 2: I've done this with a series of twenty questions that
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  Speaker 2: I'm asking every one of these different, you know, elite
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  Speaker 2: deer hunters, running them through the questions, so that we
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  Speaker 2: can then compare all of these different folks, see what
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  Speaker 2: they have in common, see where there might be some
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  Speaker 2: unique aspects, and then what you know each and every
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  Speaker 2: one of us can learn from all that. So that's
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  Speaker 2: the plan for today's episode. As I mentioned, our guest
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  Speaker 2: is Ben Rising. He has been a frequent guest on
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  Speaker 2: the podcast and he's well known within the world of
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  Speaker 2: whitetail hunters. He first came I think, to notoriety through
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  Speaker 2: his time with Drury Outdoors. More recently, his own show
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  Speaker 2: called Whitetail Edge has continue to showcase his you know,
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  Speaker 2: incredible knack for finding, targeting, and putting tags on giant
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  Speaker 2: old whitetail deer. He's one of the best of the
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  Speaker 2: best out there. He hails from Ohio, but hunts all
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  Speaker 2: over the country and he's one of those guys who
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  Speaker 2: is laser focused on his goals and you're going to
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  Speaker 2: understand I think a little bit more about how he
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  Speaker 2: does that and why he does that after listening to
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  Speaker 2: our conversation today, I just want to give you one
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  Speaker 2: heads up before we.
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  Speaker 3: Get to that. As of this podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Launch, this one will be coming out I don't know
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  Speaker 2: July eleven, I think Thursday the eleventh of twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: If you are listening on that date, we will have
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  Speaker 2: a brand new white Tail video series from me and
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  Speaker 2: Tony Peterson available for you to watch. It is a
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  Speaker 2: educational kind of foundational video series walking through the very
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  Speaker 2: most important elements to make sure that you can fully
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  Speaker 2: take advantage of the really in depth detail things we
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  Speaker 2: cover here on the podcast. So we've got new videos
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  Speaker 2: coming out that break down the importance of you know,
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  Speaker 2: really understanding how you read tracks, We're really understanding rubs,
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  Speaker 2: We're really understanding scrapes, getting into the minutave of what
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  Speaker 2: deer eat when they eat, how to determine what deer
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  Speaker 2: are eating, what you know right now. These are the
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  Speaker 2: kind of things that sometimes in these podcasts we just
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  Speaker 2: gloss right over. We just assume that everybody has the
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  Speaker 2: same basic understanding as Tony and I do. But what
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  Speaker 2: we find out over and over and over again is
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  Speaker 2: that that is not necessarily the case. So we want
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  Speaker 2: to provide that baseline resource for everybody. You watch these videos,
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  Speaker 2: you'd be caught up to speed. You can listen to
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the podcast, or if you already feel
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  Speaker 2: like these things are well known by yourself, pass them
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  Speaker 2: on to your buddies who are earlier in their hunting journey,
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  Speaker 2: pass these on to new hunters, have your kids watch them.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever it might be. We're hoping these can be really
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  Speaker 2: helpful resources. The show is called Whitetail Edu and you
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  Speaker 2: can find it over at the meat eater Clips YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 2: That's meat eater clips Clips, So if you go to
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  Speaker 2: YouTube search for that you'll find it. Make sure you subscribe,
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  Speaker 2: make sure you like that video, make sure you pass
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  Speaker 2: it on to your friends and family. That'll keep me
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  Speaker 2: and Tony employed by meet Eater and keeping us able
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  Speaker 2: to produce these podcasts for you. So thank you in
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  Speaker 2: advance for doing that. And enough for me, I think
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  Speaker 2: we'll just get to my chat with Ben Rising here
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  Speaker 2: in the second episode of our Mindsets the White Tail
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  Speaker 2: Masters series. Enjoy all right with me now on the show,
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  Speaker 2: back for I don't know, maybe the third or fourth
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  Speaker 2: time something like that. Yeah, yeah, thank you for joining me, Ben.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, thanks for having me. I love being on
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  Speaker 3: this podcast. Yep, it's always good.
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  Speaker 2: We've had a lot of good chats over the years,
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  Speaker 2: and today I wanted to take things in a different direction.
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  Speaker 2: I know we've chatted in the past about how you
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  Speaker 2: target specific bucks. I know we've talked about breaking down
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  Speaker 2: all of your scouting habits. We've talked about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: how you think about how big old bucks think and
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  Speaker 2: how you think like them, and a lot of tactical
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  Speaker 2: strategic things. But we're kicking off the series this month, Ben,
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  Speaker 2: in which I'm trying to kind of look under the hood,
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  Speaker 2: you might say, kind of get behind the scenes into
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  Speaker 2: the minds of people like you who are just very,
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  Speaker 2: very consistently successful. What makes that kind of person tick.
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  Speaker 2: What are the little things they do? What are the
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  Speaker 2: little things that are different about how you think than
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  Speaker 2: how other people think. That's the kind of stuff we're
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  Speaker 2: going forward this one. So I've got a list of
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  Speaker 2: about twenty questions here, Ben that I've been asking a
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  Speaker 2: number of different people, the best of the best whitetail hunters,
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  Speaker 2: and in walking through the same set of questions about
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  Speaker 2: these mindsets, about your thought process, that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And so that's what I'm looking for here is is
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  Speaker 2: kind of the the why behind some of this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a high level plan. Does that sound Does
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  Speaker 2: that sound.
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  Speaker 3: Good to you? Yeah? Yeah, I like different.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I think that's what we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: get here with this one. So, so to start, we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna jump right into the deep end with something that's
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. It could be a big, open ended question,
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  Speaker 2: or it might be very simple, I guess, and what
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  Speaker 2: I want to know is been, how do you define
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  Speaker 2: how do you personally define deer hunting success?
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  Speaker 3: Well, okay, so I guess I would have to answer
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  Speaker 3: that in a sense of some of that could be
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  Speaker 3: depending on where I'm at, where I'm hunting. Does that
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  Speaker 3: make sense, you know, if I'm in and I don't
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  Speaker 3: think anybody sets any standards higher for them, you know,
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  Speaker 3: for me than I do myself, if that makes sense. So,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm also, I guess aware of the fact that
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  Speaker 3: depending on where I'm hunting and what I'm doing also
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  Speaker 3: determines what my success rate should be or what I
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  Speaker 3: can consider a successful hunt, you know, whether it even
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  Speaker 3: involves like a harvest or not. But you know, if
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  Speaker 3: I'm hunting something like that's you know, in my home
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  Speaker 3: state where I have a lot of access to it,
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  Speaker 3: can you know, do a lot of scouting things like
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  Speaker 3: that have history with deer. Well, I always feel like
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  Speaker 3: if I don't kill that deer that I'm after, then
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  Speaker 3: I'm not successful, you know, without a doubt. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm used to putting the tag on something that I'm after.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm out of state or on a very new
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  Speaker 3: piece of property and somewhere that I've never hunted and
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  Speaker 3: I only have a few days to hunt, success can
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  Speaker 3: be in different levels there to me, you know, whether
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  Speaker 3: I harvest a nice buck or I just had a
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  Speaker 3: great time and I learned a lot something that I
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  Speaker 3: can imply for the next season. Did I see a
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  Speaker 3: lot of deer? You know, if I'm not seeing anything
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  Speaker 3: or putting myself in the roundhouse of at least things,
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  Speaker 3: that then I don't consider that successful. You know. I
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  Speaker 3: feel like I've been doing this long enough that you know,
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  Speaker 3: you should be able to drop me out of an
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  Speaker 3: airplane about anywhere, and I should be able to get
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  Speaker 3: come close to getting it done, you know, on a
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  Speaker 3: decent hear.
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  Speaker 2: So what about the flip side, how would you define
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  Speaker 2: deer hunting failure?
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  Speaker 3: Not seeing the forest for the trees, so to speak,
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  Speaker 3: like not taking the fun out of it, not enjoying it,
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  Speaker 3: which I can get, which can can happen very easily
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  Speaker 3: in today's age. I feel for people, and I feel
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  Speaker 3: it's only gotten worse with social worse with social media
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  Speaker 3: and things, because I feel like everybody's so worried about
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  Speaker 3: getting their picture on the gram with a big buck
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  Speaker 3: or and you know, and I'm guilty of it too
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  Speaker 3: in a sense of like because this is part of
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  Speaker 3: my living, you know. I mean, I'm a timber guy
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  Speaker 3: by trade, logging, that's what I do every day, buying timber, moving, logging,
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  Speaker 3: cruise around, cruising, timber, things like that. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: White till Edge has become so much a bigger part
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  Speaker 3: of my living than I ever expected it to be.
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  Speaker 3: So success has to happen in order for your fan
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  Speaker 3: base to keep wanting to follow an old man. You know,
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  Speaker 3: as I age, you know, I'm not twenty five anymore
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  Speaker 3: like I was with the juries. You know, I'll be
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  Speaker 3: fifty here in a couple couple of weeks. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: so I do feel like I even feel that pressure
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  Speaker 3: because a lot of people, and please I say this humbly,
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  Speaker 3: people have come to expect Ben Rising to shoot really
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  Speaker 3: big dear.
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  Speaker 2: Does that make sense, Yeah, it does for sure.
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  Speaker 3: So that puts a lot of pressure on myself. I
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  Speaker 3: feel like if I'm not producing those results, I'm sometimes failing.
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  Speaker 3: But sometimes I won't settle either, like I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to be I don't want to shoot what I call
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  Speaker 3: TV dear, like just to put a tag on something
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  Speaker 3: and have a show, or like so I have footage
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  Speaker 3: for a kill episode, I would rather eat my tag
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  Speaker 3: than lower my standards of what I try to preach
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  Speaker 3: to people that I stand for what I'm trying to do.
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  Speaker 3: Does it mean that I feel people are failing if
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  Speaker 3: they're shooting smaller deer. No, it's all up to you.
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  Speaker 3: What I mean, whatever makes you happy. I've just killed
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  Speaker 3: so many deer in my time that for me, I
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  Speaker 3: get nothing out of shooting, you know, one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: twenty five inch deer, if that makes sense. Or now,
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  Speaker 3: if I was in a hillside in the middle of
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  Speaker 3: West Virginia on a mountain side or PA and I
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  Speaker 3: shot one hundred and twenty five hundred and thirty inch
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  Speaker 3: four year old buck, I'd be ecstatic. So it's all
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  Speaker 3: relative to where we're at. But failure for me too
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  Speaker 3: is like I was saying, like, if we're if we
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  Speaker 3: get to a point where we're taking the hunting out
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  Speaker 3: of hunting, that's a failure. If we're taking the enjoyment
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  Speaker 3: out of it, If it's becoming, if you're being driven
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  Speaker 3: to hunt more by wanting to show off what you've
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  Speaker 3: killed than the experience, then I feel we're failing, or
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  Speaker 3: I feel I've failed if I let that get in
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  Speaker 3: my way.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any past failure of yours that you could
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  Speaker 2: look back on and say that it really sets you
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  Speaker 2: up for success in the future, Like, do you have
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  Speaker 2: a favorite failure that you can point back to? Is like, man,
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  Speaker 2: that one that mistake, or that year or that hunt
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  Speaker 2: that I really screwed up. Man, that was a that
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  Speaker 2: was a turning point for me, or that was a
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  Speaker 2: great lesson learned. Does anything come to mind like that?
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, biggest deer in my life, biggest deer I'll
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  Speaker 3: ever see in my entire life.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, oh yeah, what happened?
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  Speaker 3: And I was I was young, I was filming for
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  Speaker 3: the Juries. I was an Illinois and it's part of
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  Speaker 3: the reason why I fell in love with Illinois for anyway.
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  Speaker 3: But we're talking two thousand and four, I think, and
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  Speaker 3: we were hunting a property that was pretty legendary as
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  Speaker 3: far as just the kind of deer that had been
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  Speaker 3: seen on it over the years. And you know this
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  Speaker 3: is now granted, it wasn't a managed piece of property
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  Speaker 3: at all, Like this was an outfitter that had this
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  Speaker 3: ground and he just let me basically do my own thing.
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  Speaker 3: I got to hang my own stands. He just gave
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  Speaker 3: me a part of the farm to hunt. But the
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  Speaker 3: farm was really known for having really big, gnarly mature
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  Speaker 3: you know, hill country white tails in Illinois and had
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  Speaker 3: little tiny bean fields or cornfields up in the tops,
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  Speaker 3: very steep ridges, creek bottoms, swamp had a lake on it.
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  Speaker 3: It was just an epic piece of ground. It ended
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  Speaker 3: up selling later on, actually it ended up selling the
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  Speaker 3: next year after this hunt took place. But long story short,
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to a calling deer, this deer taught
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  Speaker 3: me so much like the failure of this deer has
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  Speaker 3: probably been the death of twenty cents, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's incredible. So what happened with that?
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  Speaker 3: So, like we're basically it was early November. We had
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  Speaker 3: hiked way into this secluded field. We didn't I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: This was before I was running trail cams out of
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  Speaker 3: said I had no idea was on this property. I
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  Speaker 3: was just hunting, signed, just hunting deer, hunting for a
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  Speaker 3: mature buck. We didn't know what we were going to see.
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  Speaker 3: And honestly, a lot of times those are some of
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  Speaker 3: the best because like you just like, very seldom mark anymore,
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  Speaker 3: do I see a deer, I don't know? Yeah, And
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  Speaker 3: honestly that kind of sucks sometimes, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I do because it's like, oh, that's so, and so
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  Speaker 3: that's you know, and even honey, yeah, even hunting public land.
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  Speaker 3: They were like private land that I run cameras on.
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  Speaker 3: I still know what I typically know what I'm probably
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  Speaker 3: gonna see. But anyways, we're sitting there, we're hunting. We'd
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  Speaker 3: set up on it just inside from this bean field,
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  Speaker 3: and I wanted to set up in a situation where
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  Speaker 3: I could see because I was going to rely on
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  Speaker 3: calling to really be a big factor. I was set
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  Speaker 3: up close to some good trails, but I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: set myself in a situation where I feel like I could,
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  Speaker 3: you know, take advantage of seeing a deer maybe cross
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  Speaker 3: the field, or you know, maybe call to it, get
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  Speaker 3: it to come to me. You know. So again we're
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  Speaker 3: talking twenty years ago at this point, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: was still young guy, learning, still learning. I was a good,
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  Speaker 3: pretty good killing it at that point, had got quite
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  Speaker 3: a few successful hunts on tape already for druries, but
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't prepared for what was to happen that day.
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  Speaker 3: We're sitting there and we'd seen a few dos come
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  Speaker 3: out through the field and was milling around and kind
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  Speaker 3: of went back in a little buck or two and
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  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, I just happened to look
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  Speaker 3: up across this field and it was about probably two
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  Speaker 3: hundred yards across the field maybe, and I can just
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  Speaker 3: see this deer standing there, looking straight out into the field,
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  Speaker 3: just bigger than life, just standing there. I don't even
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  Speaker 3: know where she came from. All of a sudden, it
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  Speaker 3: was just this beautiful buck is standing there. And as
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking at him and he turns his head, the
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  Speaker 3: tree that I thought he was standing by moved and
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my gosh, that is this flipping rack.
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  Speaker 3: And I couldn't to this day, I've never seen a
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  Speaker 3: deer like this. And it was a weird deer. It
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  Speaker 3: was like it wasn't one of the deer that do this.
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  Speaker 3: It was one of those deer that did this straight
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  Speaker 3: like just kind of go.
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  Speaker 2: Out, man.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean he was I don't even he was
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  Speaker 3: so heavy, like it was insane, and he just had
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  Speaker 3: stuff everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: Like.
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  Speaker 3: Knowing what I know now this year was two fifty
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  Speaker 3: to sixty to seventy. Just an absolute freak of a dome.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm just blown away looking at this deer, you know,
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  Speaker 3: but he's over there and he makes a scrape, and
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  Speaker 3: the problem was we really couldn't even get him on
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  Speaker 3: camera because he was kind of far enough and the
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  Speaker 3: guy running the camera really couldn't see him good and
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  Speaker 3: he's kind of freaking out and he was you know,
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  Speaker 3: back in those days, we didn't have great cameras and
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  Speaker 3: great whatever. But anyway, so I start calling to this
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  Speaker 3: deer to where what I should have done was just
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  Speaker 3: been like, let's just see what he's gonna do, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like he was gonna work a scrape. I felt like
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  Speaker 3: he was just gonna go back in the timber. And
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  Speaker 3: I think that's why I started to get a little antsy.
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  Speaker 3: But I start kind of laying it on this deer,
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  Speaker 3: and I wasn't paying attention to his body language. You know,
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  Speaker 3: this is which is what I talk a lot about
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  Speaker 3: now that I've learned, and you know, he basically was
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  Speaker 3: telling me I'm not interested or I'm a little bit
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  Speaker 3: spooked by what you're doing. And I just kept putting
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  Speaker 3: the pressure on this deer and he just he just
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  Speaker 3: finally just tucked back into the timber, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, dag gone it, you know, and I'm upset,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, he kind of had wagged his tail
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  Speaker 3: a few times, which tells you he knows you're there.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Like when I first did a small rattling
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  Speaker 3: sequence and grunted a few times, he wagged his tail
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  Speaker 3: and he kind of looked and he was interested. For
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: all I know, he had a hot dough behind him
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: in the woods that he may have never left. I
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: just don't know. But if i'd have known what that
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: meant at the time, I would have just backed off
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: that he heard me, like he's saying, Okay, I got you. Yeah,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I can hear that. I'm comfortable, but no, I kept
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: putting the heat on and it kind of made him. Yeah,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: he just went into the timber. Well here, I'm thinking, okay,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: it's completely over this. I just totally screwed this up,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: and I'm mad, you know, And it just kind of
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: took me out of my mind frame. And I'm sitting
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: there in the stand, and like twenty minutes later, even
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: I finally like my camera guy's behind me. He's looking
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: into the woods, so I'm thinking everything's fine, but he's
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: kind of looking a different direction. I'm watching the field
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: keep glass and thinking maybe this deer is just gonna
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: pop out and show up or I'll get lucky, you know,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: And I finally get frustrated and I just kind of
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: stand up and I say to my care I just
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: can't believe I did that. And I hear, oh no,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: and I turn and that deer is in the woods,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: sneaking in from behind us. He's at twenty five steps
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: and he was sneaking in trying to get down wind
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: of us. And when I stood up and started, he it.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: You know, he caught me. And I had no idea
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: he was there, but he was coming, and I mean,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I'll never forget it. Like obviously I didn't get him brutal. Now, yeah,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: we didn't get it on film nothing because Pete, you know,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: by the time Pete turned and you know, it was
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: over all you saw was King Kong sneaking. And he
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: didn't even he didn't even bolt, like he literally just
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: walked out of there like I knew. I knew it,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: like he was doing it to disprove that he knew
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: what was going on.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: So there's so there's a lesson there about reading a
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: deer's body language and not overdoing it. But then there's
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: also a lesson there about you know, never taking.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Yourself out of the game. Yeah, never let your mental
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: state take you out of the game, especially with big
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: white tails, especially if you've seen one man.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: And that's so hard to actually do because it's such
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: a mental roller coaster throughout any given day and week
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: or season, right, Yeah, And.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: We'd hunted really hard leading up to that, so it
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: was making it even more deflating that, like we didn't
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: get a chance when I first tried calling to the deer,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: you know, but that deer taught me so much about
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: what big bucks can do, and so I've literally altered
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: my setups to make sure deer can't get down wind
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: of me. Always be on alert that one may be
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: sneaking in from a different direction, listening, you know, looking
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: for body language of how they're reacting to when you
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: grunt to them or rattle or anything. You know, if
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I could fast forward to today and that deer did
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: the same thing, you'd probably die, you know. So it's just,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: if anything, I should have just let him be, and
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: maybe I could have made a move on the deer,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I ended up killing
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: a really good deer the next day because I did
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: try to move, thinking well, maybe he'd just go back
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: to that area, and you know, we hunted a little
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: different field the next ridge, over thinking maybe he'd do
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: something different. But I ended up killing a really nice
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: buck the next day, a big, mature deer. But it
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: wasn't that deer.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Well, that is a great failure. If you have to
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: fail bad, at least fail on one. You can learn
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: a lot from him.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just don't fail on one, so big. Take
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: this deer I'll ever probably see in my life in
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: the wild man.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: All right, shifting gears. That was a perfect story. By
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: the way, that was a very good example. I'm looking
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: for another example here, But instead of a deer, I'm
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: looking for a person. Can you name one other whitetail
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: hunter that you view as as truly elite, like a
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: really truly masterful white tail hunter. Can you name for
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: me one person who you look to like that and
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: describe for me what you believe is their key to success,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Like what is the thing about them that makes them
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: so so good at this?
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm trying to, like, you know, there's different names
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: that come to you know, to mind, I've not spent
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of time honestly, like with what I consider
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: other real white tail killers, Like I've just never spent
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: a lot of time in the woods with somebody like
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: that or been around them a lot, Like I know,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: some just normal guys that every year kill really good dear,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: you know. But if I had to say a name that, like,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: you know, I think a lot of people know when
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: it comes to you know, harvesting mature deer and you know,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: really good dear, you know, without a doubt. Mark Durry
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: is one of those guys that I mean. And then
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: and the hard part for people to understand today is
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: that they forget where Mark came from. Mark hasn't always
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: hunted out of box blinds. He hasn't always you know,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: hadn't managed farms. He hasn't, you know what I mean.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Like it's just neither has Michael Waddell or Terry or
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: a lot of these guys, like they grew up hunting
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: just like normal people, and they just became famous from
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: their success and over time. But they were deer killers,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Steve Stoltz another one, Don Kiskey,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: same thing, you know, Lee Lukowsky. I mean, and I
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: know there's a lot of people now that they're always say, well,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: if I can hunt how they do. I could kill
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: those bucks too, where they hunting zoos or you know
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: which you know, and none of those guys are gonna
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: sit there and tell you they're not hunting great ground now,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: But they didn't always hunt like that, you know. To
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: make this video and hunting industry what we have made
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: it and what it's come into, I mean, I've been
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: doing this twenty five years, you know, back when we
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: were filming on tapes and you know, it was VCR
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: tapes that were the productions that come out, you know,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: so like to get the hunting industry where it has
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: come though, like it wasn't always on this kind of dirt.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Like these guys were hunting public they were some of
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: the older jury tapes are just those things weren't killing
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: always giant deer. But we're always having success success. But
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: what Mark is really good at is being very analytical
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: and tear and piecing together things of like just that's
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: why they be That's how Deer Cast came about and
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: all these things of years of them keeping notes of
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: what they noticed, like with moon phases and cold fronts,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: and like they've taught us all a lot of these
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: different things that maybe a lot of us wouldn't have
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: caught like you know, your average white tail hunter doesn't
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: pay attention to a lot of that kind of stuff.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: You know, I picked up on a lot of things
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: early in life, on things like that, But I do
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: believe it helped me being around people like Mark and
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Terry and people like Leelak talking to Lee La Cosky
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: once in a while, and we're going back to the
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: days before any of us was any super famous at all,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: if that makes sense, and bouncing things off people. And
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: you know what I was just really altered good at
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: was picking a certain deer out and grinding so hard
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: on that deer that he just I just would never
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: let up on him, like you know a lot of times,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Oh I killed him in the first or second sit,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: third sit, But sometimes I'd have to grind and hunt
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: one like a you know, like a tick on a
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: deer's back. But Mark and them are just very good
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: at those kinds of things, of picking mother nature apart
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: and figuring out what deer are going to do and move.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: You know, Andrea Toquisto is another one, you know, very
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: methodical at hunting deer and tight covered in their beds,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: and you know, that's an art form. You know, I've
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: never hunted with Andre, but you know, the guy has
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: killed numerous really big deer in those kinds of situations.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Just the killer, you know, I just would have to say.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: You know, it's the list can be long. You know.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: There's people I don't know but I've heard names of.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: But there was a guy years ago when I was
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: a kid that I really looked up to. His name
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: was ron Osborne. And you'll have to look it up
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: on the internet. Look up to ron Osborne buck. It's
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: like a baby hole in the born and it was
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: killed in Mahoning County, Ohio back in the eighties. And
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: then he killed a giant six point like the next year.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: But this was back in the days when Miles Keller's
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: face was on the bottles of scent shield and things
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: like that. Like I'm talking mid eighties and so, you know,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: just very cool. Miles Keller killed a lot of big deer.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: But ron Osborne was a guy that really had it
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: figured out of hunting big deer on fence lines, you know,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: on field edges or close to swamps and pinoak woods.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: And I actually talked to this guy one time on
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: a logging job. I was like eighteen years old, seventeen
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: years old and was working the log landing that dad
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: had come out from cutting timber in the woods. And
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: here I was cutting right next to where he had
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: just killed this big deer a couple of years earlier.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: And I didn't, you know, like eight years earlier, and
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: I was just a young guy working for this timber
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: company at the time. But when he come driving up
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: on his four wheeler, I recognized him and I was like,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: you're ron Osborne. And he was just kind of like
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: took him back that I even knew who he was,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: and you know, and I remember telling him I was like,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: someday I'm gonna kill a big deer, like you do.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: He was just like, I hope you do, but you know,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: so yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't know
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: if that quite answered your question.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: But I think you pointed a lot of good examples.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: There are people who are very detail oriented, people who
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: pay attention to the little things and get the little
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: things right. That's that's important stuff.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: I think one of those. Jay Gregor is another one.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Jay somebody I forgot to mention. But here's the other
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: thing about that equation too is these guys not are
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: only good at what they're doing that with their killers,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: you know, they can kill when the time comes handle
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: that moment. They can handle that moment, and that is
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: really important.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Easier soud than done too. So, speaking of these little things,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: what is one single change or choice that you made
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: over the course of your deer hunting life that you
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: think has made the most meaningful impact for you, from
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: taking you to like an okay deer hunter to a
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: great deer hunter. Like can you think of was there
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: any inflection point, Was there any moment or any time
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: when you change this thing or realize this thing and
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden it was like your eyes opening
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: to this whole new world, and that change your success
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: in a big way moving forward. Can you think of
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: anything like that?
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: I would say probably my first experience of killing my
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: very first Boon and Crockett class white tail, you know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: or like a grain and I killed it was pope
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: and young I mean, and I don't have any of
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: my deer officially scored, none of my deer entered into books.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: But this deer grossed one hundred and eighty four inches.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: It was a nine point that I'd killed years ago
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: on white tail Madness six, but that deer was probably
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: once I got that taste of that size of a deer,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I was there was no turning back. And I learned
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: a lot from that deer by scouting him and watching
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: him and just different things. And I learned a little
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: bit about cold fronts more and was putting some of
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: those things together, betting areas, scrapes, how they how a
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: big buck works. Because after I killed that deer, then
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: I went, I dove right in to where he was at,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: and I learned as much about that deer as I
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: could learn. I learned about his betting area, like where
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: he was always at, what it looked like. I laid
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: in his beds, you know, I sat in his beds,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: you know, And I just tried to just pick everything
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: apart that I could pick apart and learn from it.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: And that deer probably set me on the course of
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: you know, looking at big bucks from a deer's eyes,
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: you know, or like hunting big deer, trying to think
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: like a big deer.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Is that something you still do the day when you
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: kill a big deer, do you do you try to
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: then dive right in there the next day or soon
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: after and go in there and look at all the
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: sign knowing like, oh man, it was that deer, and
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: and drilling into stuff like that. Is that something that
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: still pays pays dividends these days?
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: It just depends if I have the time, because like now,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: typically the problem is is I have multiple tags, and
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: when things are hot, I'm typically rolling to the you know,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: I do what I gotta do. We film what we
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: have to film, you know, take care of the deer,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: do all that. So I typically don't have time to
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: like instantly go in and do it anymore. Unless I'm
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: in that situation where I can, then I will because
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: I do like to learn. But I always typically end
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: up going back during shed season or whatever and really
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: kind of investigate to think to see what I thought
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: that deer was doing, if I was right or not.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: You know. But then there's sometimes you know, you kill
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: big bucks that like you're just calling deer. You you
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: don't even know where that deer came from, so you know,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: obviously in that situation, you wouldn't you.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, not always possible, but but does seem like
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: a good in those situations where it makes sense. What
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: a great kind of way to you know, kind of
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: get inside the book, read re read the inside pages
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: of the book, if you will, and understand the why
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: behind a lot of that stuff. Yeah, I love that. Okay,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: shifting gears. We just kind of talked about something in
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: your past or a past experience that really changed things
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: for you long ago. In that case, I'm curious now
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: about something that's happened more recently. Can you think of
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: anything in the last five years, any new belief, a
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: new habit you've picked up, a new tactic that you
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: recently you know, stumbled upon, or something was shared with
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: you that has dramatically improved your hunting. Is there anything
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: in the last five years that stands out as one
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: of those recent like game changers for you.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Probably more like the last six years, maybe seven, more
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: like six It smocks scrapes, Yeah, hunting scrapes, black widow
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: deer lures. And this is not a plug for me too,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: because they're a sponsor. But at first I got with
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: them because they wanted to sponsor me because I was
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: starting my show, you know, and it was just a
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: very small sponsorship, but it gave me the opportunity to
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: really try it and put the lures to work and learn.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: It made me dive more into like the true details
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: of hunting scrapes and how bucks use them and react
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: to them. And so that has definitely been probably one
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: of those things that have helped me trick some really
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: big deer close to betting, you know, and we have
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: video footage of some of that, like, you know, deer
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: we called splits a couple of years ago in Ohio.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've just killed you know a lot of
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: big deer around those scrape areas, in certain types of scrapes.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: So that's definitely that's probably been the biggest thing. And
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: I've learned a lot about deer lure because you know,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I grew up trapping and lure was important. Fresh lure
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: was important. Well, it's the same with deer hunting. You know,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: true real fresh deer lure is very important compared to
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: dark looking bottles of deer p or urine that have
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: been sitting on a Walmart shell for months, you know,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: for years, even, like it's just not even the same.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: So, so what's the what's the cliff notes version of
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: a setup with a mock scrape that you intend to hunt, Like,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: how specifically are you setting up your your standlocation in
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: relation to the mock scrape, and how are you creating
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: that mock scrape for a kill set like that?
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well so a lot of times what I consider
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: a mock scrape eventually becomes a real scrape. Like I
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: will start making visual signs for scrapes even as you know,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: early as now or July August, taking a weed eater
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: and opening up a spot where I want that scrape
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: to be, if it's on the edge of the field
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: or whatever. But most of the scrapes that I feel
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: like that I can really truly harvest a deer on,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Like if it's a particular buck and I kind of
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: know where he's at, I want to try to set
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: up a scrape or two that's in between his bed
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: and where he's eventually trying to go that that evening,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: you know, if that makes sense, so it's convenient for
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: him to hit it or you know whatever. Sometimes I'll
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: set one up in an area where there's does you know,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: dough betting area, and I know those bucks are going
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: to be using certain trails to get to that dough
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: betting area, and I want to stage them up before
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: he goes down wind of it or whatever he's going
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: to do. So that's kind of what I look for.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: You know, most of the times those kind of scrapes
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: are a little bit in the timber. They're not exactly
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: out on the edge. Now. I do make mock scrapes
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: depending on like tree lines and you know edge cover,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: like catching deer going from whatever, or like a deer's
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: coming into the edge of a food plot to you know,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: check for dose on an early October cold front. A
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: scrape on the edge of a place like that is
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: money because they are going to hit that scrape every
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: time before they even go about their business. They're going
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: to hit it, Yeah, before they even start feeding.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned a change you made there with a
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: piece of like I don't know, I guess you could
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: call the lure a bit of equipment. But what's what's
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: just a tactic or a habit or a practice that
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: you have. So a habit or a practice that you
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: have that others find absurd, but you believe truly makes
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: you a better deer hunter. So what's one unusual habit
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: of practice that most folks think's crazy that you believe
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: truly helps you.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Well, this might get a little off the beaten path.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: But I will tell you an experience that I've started
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: to do and it's worked. I guess, I don't know
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: if it's worked or it's just and you know, you
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: might even think this is a little nut. But so
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: the deer I killed last year, I killed a deer
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: called ranger. He's two and fifteen inch gross buck giant. Yeah,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: and I did not I had a I shouldn't say
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: I passed the deer the year before because I didn't
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: really like hav ingim within shooting distance, like I had
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: one shot one day at sixty yards. But that day
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: I saw that deer, I realized, I don't think this
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: deer is what he can be yet, and I took
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: a huge gamble, I mean like a monster gamble because
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: the neighbors were all over this deer. This wasn't a
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: very big piece of property that this deer was that
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: I was hunting him on. Literally guys hunting each side
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: of the property, which is only four hundred yard wide,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: so two hundred yards each way from the center of
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: the property there's tree stands. I took a gamble by
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: not hunting this deer and like putting more pressure on
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: him and trying to get him killed. Once I realized
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: that I really thought he had another year, Like I
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: felt like he could do better, you know, be more.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: And so when I did that and I gave that up,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: you know, it was hard to back off because the
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: deer was mid eighties at that point, pretty easy, you know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: probably push a ninety thanks. And I literally prayed about it.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: I mean I did, Like I just I didn't pray
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: for the deer, but I just I said, you know, lord,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I want to shoot this deer,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: like I'm taking a chance, but I don't think he's ready,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to back off. And I just know that, like,
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: if if it's meant for me to kill this deer
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: next year, you're gonna you're gonna protect him and I'll
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: get a chance at him, Like you're gonna I'm gonna
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: honor you in this situation, and I'm gonna trust you
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: that if this is what's meant to be, I'm going
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: to back off and I'll kill him the next year.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: And I killed him October seventh of the following year,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: So on a cold front that was unexpected. I wasn't
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: planning to go hunt. I ended up taking the chance.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: I had sprinklings of intel of that deer. It wasn't
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: like he was just all over me, Like I just
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: had sprinklings that he was around, and I went with
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: my gut and on day four I whacked him. And
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: it was just a very humbling, eye opening experience of
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: like because you know, not everybody believes in God, understand
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: that or whatever.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: But.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: I truly believe that, like real hunters have a connection
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: and they know that this isn't all by an explosion
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: or like mother nature is. There's a connection of what
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: God has given us to enjoy here. But and I
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: you know, I've been in other situations tracking deer where
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: I've truly went to the Lord and been like, dude,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: I need some help, Like you know, I didn't make
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: a good shot, It's my fault, but I don't want
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: this deer to go to waste. I'll you know, I'll
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: honor you. I mean, I've told a story about that
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: with a deer Roman that I shot bad a couple
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: of years ago. Gut shot really bad. Back got hanging out,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: but I knew he wouldn't go far. But he didn't
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: bleed at all, Like I couldn't find any blood hardly,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: just little specks. And he was headed towards the neighbors
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: in a really thick hill country area, and I knew
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: they wouldn't be fond of me going to get the deer.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: And like, finally I sat down on a stump. After
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: tracking him, I went seventy five yards and it took
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: me an hour and a half. That's how slow I
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: was going, looking for every little tiny and I had
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: scanned this whole hillside with my binoculars. I couldn't see
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: him and literally I could see the property line. And
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I just sat down and I'm like, I just went
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: to the lord, and I was like, Lord, I need
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: your help, Like I just I'm I'm at a loss,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Like I don't think I'm going to find this deer
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: the way it's going, Like he's either going to be
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: in a property and we both know what that's going
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: to lead to. And I was like, man, I really
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: could use your help if you could, you know, And
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: I promise I'll tell this story if you help me
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: find this deer. How I prayed to you about it,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: and you know, I just really humbled myself before him
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: in Mark, I'm not kidding you. I stood up off
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: that stump, took three steps, and that deer was at
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: forty yards laying beside the three and I had looked
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: I had, I had glassed that spot. I'm pretty sure
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: I should have seen the deer. Now I'm not saying that,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: you know, like he just but something divine happened. Yeah,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: And I mean I never felt like I mean it
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: was it sent chills through my body. I mean I cried,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: like literally had tears, and I mean I just got
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: emotional because it was like he was right there. Wow,
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Like it was so I I don't know, man, like
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: I guess I would say that. I don't want to
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: sound like some kind of yo yo.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: But no, that's that's that's incredible.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: It's had some I just posted a story the other
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: day on my Facebook about my wife's dog, and you'll
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: have to go watch it because it was the same situation.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: My wife lost her dog and he went disappearing, and
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, like this dog has made a connection with
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: her and he saved our family's life because the propane
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: stove got left on one day and like he woke
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: us up at night to tell us, you know, and
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: all the other dogs were conked out sleep and didn't care.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: And this dog was a rescue dog that she had
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: rescued off the road, and like just a crazy story
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: with this dog. But you got to go. I'd literally
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: just posted it the other day. You have to go
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: watch it. It's like a twelve minute thing, but same thing.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: We were coming home that night. The dog hadn't come back,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: and she was, you know, I could tell it was
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: really bothering her, you know, And we had to go
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: for a meeting somewhere and we couldn't be back till
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: late that night. And we live in a very very
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: remote area of Ohio, like dirt roads, like just blocks,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: thousands of acres of timber around me. And I literally
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: when we turned the bottom of the hill and I
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: had about a mile and a half to go to
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: my house, I literally did one of the same prayers
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: and I was like, God, I know you can do this,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: and I need you to do it because I know
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: my wife isn't going to sleep tonight, Like I just
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: know it. And I said, I believe in you so much.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: I've seen the things you've done for me in the past,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: and like how you work, and I know you want
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: good things for us. I know sometimes bad things happen
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: in life, but you can always make good things come
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: from them if we trust you. And I said, I
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: have faith that you can do this. And I said,
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: I want that dog standing in the middle of the
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: road before before the time we topped this hill, because
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: I don't want to have to have my wife go
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: to sleep tonight without that dog. And there was two
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: dogs missing. And when we turned up the hill made
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: the curve, we had about another three hundred yards ago,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: and that dog and the other dog were sitting in
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: the middle of the road, just sitting there waiting on us. Jeez, dude,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: craziest thing. Like it was like my wife's like, oh,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: there they are, and I'm like, no, you don't understand.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Like she didn't know I was praying when when we
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: were driving, you know, she didn't know that, Like she
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: had no clue. And I I mean, dude, it was wow,
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Like I don't know. I've just had those experiences that
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: it's just no way that it's not real, you know
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: what I mean, Like it's just no way, chills, it's
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: just it's just I just I've had too many of
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: those experiences in my life that I know, I know,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: you know, what I mean, and I truly believe he.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: I do believe that He will shine favor or you know,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: in people's situations that truly have that kind of faith,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: if that makes sense.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: So maybe maybe the answer to my next question I
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: was going to ask you, maybe you just answered it.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe the answer is prayer. But I was to
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: ask you, what's your very most important habit, Like what's
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: that thing in your life that either just helps you
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: live and achieve daily life in a good way or
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: specifically hunting success, But what's what's one thing that you
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: do over and over and over that really makes a
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: difference for you.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: I pray for wisdom and understanding, yep, I do, like
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: I pray for that a lot like I pray for wisdom,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: and that's more or less come in my older age,
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I still fail, you know,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: we all like I'm not, but you know, and I
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: sometimes still put deer first, you know, which I shouldn't,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: or I put money first, or God? You know, God
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: comes second or third sometimes in our days, but truly
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: he should be first. But I've really come around to
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: you know, the scripture that talks about blessed is the
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: man who finds happy is the man who finds wisdom
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: and gains understanding and seeks it. And I'll be truthful
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: like that has saved me from so many bad decisions
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: later in life, like business decisions or you know. I
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: and I want to make people understand or listen, just
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: like if they're still with us here, because sometimes when
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: you start talking about God, it drives people away, you
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. So it's like, and I've always
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: taken that chance with my show, Like that's one thing
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: I've always prayed about with my show White Till Edge,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: is that God will use my platform for me to
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: be able to spread His kingdom to a degree or
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: the good news. But I hope like these stories of
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: my experiences can maybe like help people and be like wow,
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: that's pretty interesting. Yeah, you know, like I'm not giving
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: some kakam amy story of like you know, I healed
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: the demon out of that, you know what I mean.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: It's not those kinds of things. It's just basically having
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: that connection if you so so you will And and
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: I never pray for like God, I want can can
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I have this big deer? You know? I want going
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: hunting to day Lord? And I want you to put
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: that buck right in my lap, Like I don't ask
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: for those things. Like I boldly asked for that dog
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: to be in the road the other day. Like that's
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: as bold as I've ever really asked for anything in prayer.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Typically I don't pray like that. But like, I don't
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: know if you'd say I was somewhat like testing. I
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: wasn't really testing, because you're not supposed to test God,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: but I truly had so much faith. I was like,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: I know he can do it. I know he can,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: like you know, and I'm just like why not, you know,
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Like God, I just want that dog to be sitting
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: in the middle of the road to make our life
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: easier tonight and she'll sleep and she'll be happy, and
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: that dog is you know whatever, and bam there he was,
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: so like I guess that's just But like, praying for
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: wisdom and understanding has been a huge change in my
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: life as far as like when it comes to decisions
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: and being able to discern things or walk away from things,
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: or like, have you ever had like with what you do,
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: you know, trying to get sponsors or certain business dealings.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you ever had those instances where you're like, man,
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: this just isn't coming together, and you're kind of pushing
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: hard on it, and you're like, I don't understand this,
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: you know, and like you're kind of getting upset, and
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: then it just doesn't work out, and you're just like, man,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, three months later, that
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: company's out of business. Yeah, or they're not paying their bills,
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: or something else happened, or it's just the simplest thing
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: of like maybe your car gave you car trouble that morning,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: or there was a tree across the road and you
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: had to go another direction, but yet what you didn't
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: realize is that maybe God was sparing you from a
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: horrible accident that you were going to drive into on
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: the freeway if you'd have went that way, or anything. Like.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: I think we always just kind of have to have
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: that awareness of And it's the same with me, like
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: if I don't kill a certain deer, if I don't
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: have a successful hunt, I have to you know, Like
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: last year I went to Kansas, first year in my
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: life I've ever hunted Kansas and didn't kill a buck
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: ten days. As hard as I've ever hunted, never killed
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: a deer didn't even have a shooter within shooting distance
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: except one day and he came in on the wrong
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: side of the tree, down wind and I didn't have
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: a shot. I mean, it was hard to accept, and
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: I lost my cool time or two and you know,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: and I think God was like showing me, like, look, dude,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: it's not all going to be like you've had so
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: much great success in your life, Like you're gonna have
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: to learn to live with some failure at times.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those are important lessons too, very true.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: So I you know, so that humbled me a bit. Yeah,
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: you know, so I don't know, like I hope that
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: answers the right the right way. But definitely, coming to
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: God about a lot of things in your life is
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: something that I try to do a lot, you know.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: I'm just seeing just seeing his hand in too many
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: things for me to try to do that. Yeah, and
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: sometimes I fail at doing it, you know, when I
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: should be doing it more. But I think that's just
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: human nature.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, we are all imperfect, that is for sure. And
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: that's actually a perfect segue into the next area I
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: wanted to explore, which was a few more of our
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: imperfections here. I'm curious if you can point to what
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: your most common hunting related mistake is, Like, what's the
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: thing that you continue to struggle with. You've been doing
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: this for decades, you're one of the very best at it.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: But there's got to be something that you continue having
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: speed bumps with or something that ever once in a
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: while trips you up. Can you point to what that
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: thing is?
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be honest, dude, Like I have always struggled
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: with scent control, like and I don't know what it is.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know if my body gives off a certain odor,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: like I'm a heavy sweater, like I really am, Like
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: I sweat a lot, you know, And I don't know
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: if that's what it is, But I mean I can.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: It seems like I can just do everything possible what
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: I feel is and sometimes I beat them and sometimes
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: I don't. But I would say that's the one thing
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: that like really irritates me on certain days that you know,
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: a deer gets you or a dough gets you, or
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: you know, and man, that just drives me nuts because
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: it's like, and I think there's certain clothing, fabrics, certain
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: things that all contribute to that, like they hold scent differently,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: or you know, and it's something I want to dive
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: deeper into as I get older, you know. And I've
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: used a lot of different clothing and different you know,
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: like carbon I've tried ozone everything. Sometimes they work, sometimes
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: they don't. Again, one of the things that has probably
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: helped me the most is going back to using like
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: the black Widdow deal or when I start getting deer
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: down wind to me now, I start spraying that deer
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: urin in the air to just try to calm them down.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: And that has helped me tremendously, and you'll see it
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: in a lot of my videos that I do that,
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: you know, It's really helped a lot because I don't
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: think that like my scent is that bad, or like
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: my because my practice is like anybody else is that
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: truly takes it. You know. I'm washing the right way,
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: I'm using the right stuff and keeping them clean and
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: putting them in containers. It's just something And I don't
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: know if it's it can be your breath, you know,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: nobody's ever told me I had bad breath, but I
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: don't know what it is could be. I think just
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: your body gives off an odor to deer. We stink
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: like we just stink. Humans just stink and reef to deer.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Like you can literally put up a lay of gas
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: can in the middle of the woods and they'll walk
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: right by it and don't care about it. Like and
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: we're worried about getting gas on our clothes. They don't
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: care about that. They don't care about cigarettes smoke so much.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's just certain things that don't trigger them.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, like the Wens will smoke their clothes, you know,
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: literally stand in a fire pit of leaves and smoke
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: themselves before they go hunting, like the Indians used to.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: So it's just I don't know, but it's just that's
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: one thing that's probably really tripped me up a lot
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: over the years. Sometimes I really get it right and
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: I'm doing good, but then there's times that like it
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: just seems like I can't get it right, you know,
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: and it irritates me.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. I've been there too. So so
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: so then my question is what's your process for getting
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: better at something or dealing with a struggle. And I
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: guess you could. You could you could use the example
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: you just described that being sid control or anything else.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: I'm the biggest thing I'm trying to understand is when
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: you've got a struggle, when you have a thing that
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: you are having trouble with or haven't mastered yet, how
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: do you tackle that?
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, for one, I am not afraid to gain
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: information from other people, Like I truly believe that. Like,
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: if you quit asking questions or you you think you
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: get to the point where you can't learn anymore, you're
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: in trouble. And I can learn off fans, I can
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: learn off anybody, you know. I mean, just because I
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: have a deer hunting show does not mean I know everything.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, like by any means. And
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: there's good old rednecks out there that probably are using
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: certain tactics that I'll never know about that it would
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: probably be game changers, you know. So whenever I have
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: a chance to learn from somebody, especially somebody that's had
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: some really good success that kill the mature deer or
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: being successful at something could be anything that you're trying
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: to accomplish, I feel like it deserves to listen, you know,
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: And don't be so arrogant to the fact that you
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: feel like you can't. Oh, I don't want to listen
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: to that guy because I don't like them, you know,
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: you still might pick up something you.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Know, so so true. That's I'm right there with you
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: on that one.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I imagine, like in the circle you run now,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: like watching you grow in the industry over the years
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: has been really incredible and what a blessing, you know.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: But I'm sure you've learned a lot of different things
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: by being around the people you're around in the camps
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: you get to visit, and guides that you see, or
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: just anything people you interview. You know. Sure there's things
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: you've picked.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Up every I can't say everything, but a whole lot
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: of what I've gotten here now is from situations like that,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: that's for sure.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I mean we all got to start somewhere
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: and learn, like I mean, just same with deer hunting.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: You know, I didn't just pick up a bow and
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: go out in the woods and start whacking bucks. You know,
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: you have to learn from You start somewhere with somebody
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: telling you sometimes it's not always great information, but then
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: you take some of that information, you start breaking it
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: down and using it, and you know it could be
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: something from trapping or this or that. You know, and
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: you start using that woodsmanship and I believe that's something
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: as a whole in the hunting industry that we're really losing,
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: is woodsmanship, especially in our younger hunters. Yeah, is that
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: you know, sometimes it takes a while to be successful
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: working for it, you know, especially in states like Ohio,
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: we're in Kentucky, in places where baiting is a you know,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: huge way of deer hunting, or like Texas and things
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: like that. Like I think a lot of our younger
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: generation is And I'm not saying that that's completely wrong,
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: because you know, we need hunters and I'm not trying
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: to pit and say that, but what I'm getting out
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: is that, like I think it's harder for the younger
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: generation that grows up hunting that way, like you know,
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: hunting over a bait pile or something like that. They
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: don't learn the art of scouting a rub line or
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: a scrape line or a bedding area or why does
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: this deer move from point A to point B on
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: certain days or like that's the fun part of hunting. Now,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: maybe as they get older, they'll get tired of hunting
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: that way and they want to learn something different and
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: go do it. But you know, I just you know,
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: kind of got off on a little weird thing there,
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: but I'm just saying, like, you know, I just feel
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: like we all can learn. And I mean I've learned
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: things about deer watching how they react to feeders or
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: bait piles, or I've learned things about deer that way.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: So I think you can learn something from every situation
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: and use it to your advantage somewhere along the line.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, never, never stop learning. Now, you mentioned something you
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: mentioned there the importance of putting in the work right,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: And I think that's a pretty consistent thing. You talk
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: to anyone who's consistently successful deer hunting, they will note
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: you got to work hard, right, But we rarely hear
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: from those people what they mean when they say, you know,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I work harder, You have to work hard. So I'm curious, then,
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: how do you define hard work? Like what does hard
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: work for deer hunting actually look like in your practice?
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Well, and I'm ashamed to say this to a degree,
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: but like it never leaves your brain, just doesn't. I
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: don't know how to say it, Like, I'm just going
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: to be truthful, Like, if they're as an idol in
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: my life, it would be big deer. There's just no
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: handsifs or butts about it, like over money, over everything
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: they consume me. Like I tell people, if I read
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: the Bible and tried to be as good of a
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: saint or a disciple as you know I could be,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: and if I put that amount of time into that
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: as I did thinking about deer or strategizing, I would glow. Yeah,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: I would break in the room.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: There'd probably be a lot of saintly white tail hunters
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: that they could read.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: But like I tell this to a lot of people,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: like I don't play baseball, I don't golf. I don't
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: play softball on the weekends with my buddies. I don't
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: ride four wheelers for fun. I have them, but they're
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: not for a TV. And you know, like I have
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: just honestly marked like I have been so serious about
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: big white tails that like I just can't even explain
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: that to some people, Like really how I look at it,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: And that's it's just really how it is. And I
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: mean it's it's a it can be a detriment to
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: a degree, you know, Like I remember when my kids
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: were little, we'd go on camping trips. You know, we
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: had campers, and you know, I get off work from
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: logging for the week or whatever, and we take the
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: camper and go somewhere like West Branch Reservoir in Ohio
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: and go camping. And I'd always take the deer hunting
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: magazines with me, you know. And my wife finally one
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: day said, I want you to be present when you're
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: with us, like it's not And so I had to.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: I had to, and I find myself as I get older,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: I'm way easier to do that now, but when I
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: was younger, I had to really catch myself because I
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: was taking precious time away. And one thing I do
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: think I did too, was like, you know, because I've
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: always filmed since my kids were little, and I think
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: that puts some pressure on my kids. It maybe has
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: somewhat pushed them away from hunting, you know, maybe not
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: so much pushed them away, but it's more of a
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: thing of like I don't know how you'd say, like
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: maybe being in the shadow of somebody that has a reputation,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: you know, like being the like say, for instance, like
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: Hank Williams Junior always felt like he had something to
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: prove because Hank Williams was his daddy. Well, and I
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: don't know if that could maybe relate to some of
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: my boys, Like, you know, they like to hunt and
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: you know, but they don't care about filming. They don't
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: want that camera around for the most part. And that's fine,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: Like I don't care, Like I just want them to
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: hunt and enjoy, you know, being out there. But I'm
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: just saying, like we can take it too far. We can.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: And and so I guess when I when you ask,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: like how much, like what does work considered to me?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: But like I probably work harder than the average guy
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: in general, just at what I do daily through my life,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: you know. And I have a lot of these people
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: that say, man, boy, you're so lucky. You know, you
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: have a deer hunting show. You got a nice truck,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: and you own land and you know, nice house, and man,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: it must be nice to be that lucky all the time.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: And you know. And the thing is is it's like,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: you know, I tell them, like, yeah, well, you know,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: the funny thing is the harder I work, the luckier
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: I get, you know, And the harder I work at
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: killing big deer, the more I kill. Like it's just
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know, So I guess it's just priorities, you
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: know what your goals are, and I think the biggest
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: thing is hunt smarter, not harder. Working to put yourself
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: in those positions, you have to work hard, But when
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: it comes to the actual hunting side of things and
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: being in that deer's territory, you have to be smart
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: how you hunt. And typically if you know, if you've
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: done your homework and you know enough about that deer,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: you should kill him the first or second, third sit.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: So so tagging onto that then that hunting smarter versus
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: necessarily always harder. Ideally both. But but I get what
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: you're saying. Something I'm really interested in, probably because I
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: find myself I don't know if I want to say struggle,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: but it's always a big part of my hunt is
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: the decision making process before heading out. I'm curious about
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: what your decision making process looks like when you are
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: deciding where you're gonna hunt on a given day or
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: morning or evening. You know, there's there's all these different
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: variables that might be going through your mind. What does
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: that look like for you, Like the d I'm very curious. Yeah,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: tell me about.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: Because I'll be honest, Like I'll be truthful Mark, Like
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: sometimes because people think like guys like me probably haven't
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: all figured out, and I know from the second I
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: wake up where I'm going to be that day. Now,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: there has been those times like I know this is
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: what I got to do. But then there's times that,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: just like Ranger last year, I didn't have enough information
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: and he was just giving me sprinkles of info, and
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: so I had to go with my gut. I had
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: to go with I had to dig deep and be like, Okay,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: this is what I've seen that he's done in the past.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: This is what little bit of information I have from
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: the cameras this year. Because I can't be there to scout,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: I can't be there to watch a lot of like
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: where he was at, I couldn't even see. You couldn't
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: see from a road if you wanted to, you know,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: you couldn't glass, you couldn't And so I had to
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: take all those little bits of information and try to
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: put them in a I don't know how you say it,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: just a package and then like break it down like Okay,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: let's try this, and then feel good about it. So
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: sometimes it literally my decision sometimes isn't even made until
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: I start the walk in, Like it's been that crazy
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: at times, and sometimes I've changed my walk in and
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: went somewhere else. It can be a torture in a
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: man's brain like myselves.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but is there anything over the years
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: that's helped you deal with that struggle? Because I'm in
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: the same boat. It's torture for me too. I'm analyzing
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: a thousand different things, all these different ideas, and I've
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: slowly gotten better maybe, But I'm curious if there's if
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: there's been anything over time that's helped you better make
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: sense of that or better filter all these different inputs.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: Well, so this is something and I kind of say
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: this sometimes, and I say this lightly. I don't say
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: this in a like a but really a deer is
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: just a goat with horns, you know, like try to
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: dumb it down a bit, you know. Big deer just
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: really good at surviving, you know. And I think every
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: situation depends on where you're hunting. You know, like if
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: you're hunting extremely pressured deer on public land, well then
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: you know you're you're hunting deer that are going to
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: move very minimal in daylight, so you need to be
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: as close to them as you can possibly be when
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: they do move in daylight? Does that mean you get
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: in there an hour before dark in the morning or
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: before daylight? I mean, and you sit there all day
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: waiting for that fifteen minutes of daylight at the end
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: of the day. That's what you got to do, even
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: though you know he's going to enter the bedding area
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: from another way. But you know there's no other way
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: to get in there except for the cover of darkness
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: from the back door in the morning and wait for
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: him to come out that side in the evening. Stuff
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: like that. That's what separates the killers from the hunters.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: Extreme extremism. You know, there's just so many little things
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: that I don't know you could, I don't know, just
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: a lot of that, but deer have I consider it
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: to be three basic needs. They need to eat, they
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: need to drink, and they need to have sex. That's
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: breeding is those are the three things are a lot
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: like a man, you know, I mean, just seriously, like
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: to break it down, like those three things next to
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: having to breathe, there are their life. And a lot
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: of people don't put enough emphasis on the water situation,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: especially in early season, but you know, that's really kind
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: of how you need to break it down and like
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: you take those things and then you start thinking about, Okay, well,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: if this deer moves tonight, he probably got a drink there.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: If I'm sitting here, I can catch him going to
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: that food plot or that clover field or Old Man
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: Johnson's cornfield or no, he's it's this time of year.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: He's going to be looking for Nelly's over there and
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: Don's hayfield. You know, there's just simple things like I
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: shouldn't say they're simple, but you know October green, you know,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: November grain, you know November December grain. You know, except
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: for certain days and they want to hit green, and
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: like it's just really hard to put it at any
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: one thing. You just kind of have to know that
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: particular situation and ask yourself those questions, you know, And
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: sometimes I truly believe less's best, like you know, putting
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: the I guess least amount of a lot of effort,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: but a least amount of thinking about deer. Like you know,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: going in to try to manage a property. Sometimes you
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: can take a property that's always had big bucks on
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: it for years and then you finally get a crack
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: at it, and you think you're going to go in
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: there and you know, put all these food plots in
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: and do all this crazy management, and all you do
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: is drive the deer out, right, So, like I think
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: sometimes you just every situation.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Is yeah, yeah, that's the truth. You talked about hard work,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: You've talked about kind of having a certain sense of
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: like extremism, like you're willing to take things to the
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: next level that maybe the average person isn't talked about
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: your decision making process. I think something that probably is
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: consistent across all of that. You haven't said these words yet,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: but I think it's kind of underneath the surface is
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: mental toughness. You know, can you can you speak to
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: how mental toughness factors into your hunting success, if at all?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: And then also like how do you define mental toughness,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Like what does that look like for you?
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, so it's really odd, like I can barely
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: sit my butt in front of a TV for more
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: than fifteen to twenty minutes unless it's really something I'm
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: interested in, you know what I mean. But I can
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: sit in a deer stand waiting on a buck for
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: nine hours, you know, and not get bored, you know,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Like I don't know, I guess it's and in that
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: mental game. But then there can be times, and I'll
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: be honest, like there's times, especially late season, like when
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: if you're somewhere trying to grind it out in December,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: after a lot of the gun seasons and archery's been
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: in for a long time, and you're trying to get
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: the dupe on a big you know, a mature deer,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: not just a deer, but a mature deer, and deer
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: movement in general is at a very low, like the
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: rut's over. Could be a sprinkling of second rut you
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: know here and there, but you're generally hunting deer that
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: are just scared to death. You know. That is a
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: grind on a person's mind. Yeah, Like because you're not
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: seeing a lot of movement. I mean even I can
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: struggle at those points, especially if you don't have the
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: info you really need, like and you're not on something particular,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: like if you're like last year, I went to Iowa
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: for a little bit for just a couple of days
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: in December, right after Christmas. I'm like, I'm gonna try it.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: I need to try to get this tag. Fil went
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: to a spot, didn't you know, had a little bit
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: of intel, but not much. And the deer just they
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: weren't moving. They were scared to death. Everything made a
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: noise everywhere you stepped, every like they could hear you,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: like they could be You'd take three steps into the
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: area to try to get into a seater ticket or
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: somewhere to go, and the whole hillside would bust out
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: with deer and you're like, like, you know what I mean,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: Like those days can really eat at you. Yeah, and so,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: but then again, I think there's times where you just
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: finally say, you know what, I've had enough. I've had
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: a good season. It's time to pack up and go home. Like,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, Like it's just I think
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: you can't take the fun out of it. And if
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: it starts getting to a point where it's making you
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: moody and angry, and you know, I think that's when
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: we got to check ourselves.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Well, what do you do though? And maybe what you
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: just said is what you do sometimes, But what do
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: you do when you find yourself in that kind of
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: situation where you're exhausted, frustrated, stumped, you know, trying to
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: figure out a hunter something like when you find yourself
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: in those like lowest of low moments as a deer hunter,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: how do you fight back? Like, how do you get
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: through that? What do you do? You have some.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: Printings, don't definitely. One thing is don't be filling your
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: mind with social media and watching where other people are
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: having success, so negativity or negativity, because you can really
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: beat yourself up quick. You know, try to stay in
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: a positive mindset. You know, eat good, try to you know,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: don't bet in tons of sugar and stuff that's going
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: to make you feel like crap through the day, you know,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: because like that gives you those increases of dopamine, but
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: then big lutdowns and you don't handle mood swings right,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: you know. I being comfortable when you're hunting in those
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: situations like if you're cold, you're you're not gonna last
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: like you need to be. You need to do everything
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: for yourself, I guess self care in a sense to
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: be able to withstand those boring moments. But you always
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: have to have in the back of your mind that
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: it could happen at any second, because that's a lot
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: of times how it happens. I mean, you can just
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: be sitting there through the most bored five days of
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: your life and then within fifteen seconds it's over and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: you just shot at one to eighty or you weren't.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: It can just way and it disappeared.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, So like it, I don't know. Like it
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: is tough. It's a it's a very tough thing. And
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: it's really I don't think it's anything you can just
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: teach people. It's like you either got it in here
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: or you don't. Sometimes some days I have it in me.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: Some days I don't have it in me, and I
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: just go home.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: I used to have it in me a lot more
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: when I was younger. But I don't hate them as
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: much as I used to, you know what I mean.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Well you make a really good point, though,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: This this thing is supposed to be fun, right, And
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: that's the lesson I've had to learn the last three
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: four or five years. And as I got back to
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: the fun of it and just getting back to why
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: I got into this thing in the first place. Interestingly enough,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: as my stress levels went down, my success went up.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yep, they can easily do that. And that's where
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: I think a lot. That's what I worry a lot
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: about the younger generation now. Is like they're so focused
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: on what people like I am doing or other like
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: the hunting public or people like that that they really
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: look up to. You know, most of the young guys
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: don't look up to me, and they're looking up to
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: people like that because you know, I'm kind of the
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: old school and they're maybe hunting some somewhat differently. But
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: you comparing yourself like that and trying to live that
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: life doesn't help your life. Yeah, you know, and like
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: I it's really disheartening at times when I'm at doing
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: seminars or I'm at a sporting good show, you know,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: and some fifteen or you know, fourteen year old kid
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: comes up to me and he's been like and I've
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: said this on numerous podcasts, and he starts showing me pictures.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: You know, I passed this three and a half year
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: old one forty five or one fifty up, you know,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: and I was hunting this deer, but I didn't get him.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking, dude, you know, and I tell him, like, man,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: when I was your age, that one fifteen that you
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: passed back a couple of pictures earlier that was with
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: that one twenty five would have been dead. Yeah, And
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: you would have been just killed some stuff, dude, Yeah,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: kill it, just kill some stuff, have fun, like learn
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: to kill like and you know, taste the blood, like
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: the success, the fun of it, the you know, the
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: big stuff, the mature that'll come later. Like it isn't
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: just about killing really big dear, you know. And I
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: mean when I killed my first booner, I had already
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: killed probably I don't know, ten or twelve decent bucks
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: with my bow. So I was ready to take a step.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I'm saying, like another step, and
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: then that just elevated that step, you know. And so
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: I think that's something that you know, people need to
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: be aware of too.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's a there a line or it's
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: something like this, that comparison is the thief of joy. Yeah,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: and I think there's a lot of truth of that.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: Hunt your own hunt, don't worry about everybody else.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: I've got a final few questions I want to run
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: you through, but kind of rapid fire. So we're going
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: to hit these quick, quick answers. First thing that comes
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: to your mind, what purchase of one hundred dollars or
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: less has most positively impacted your hunting success or enjoyment.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: One hundred dollars or less. Yeah, probably trail cameras, like
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: regular trail cameras back in the day when you know,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: and there's still some of the days that are under
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: hundred bucks, but you know, when they first came out,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: you know, there was some cheaper ones that a working
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: class guy could afford. That we're right around hundred bucks,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: and you know, trail camera let's not let's not kid ourselves.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: And I know, for I'm not going to sit here
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: and say, oh, I'm the greatest deer hunter in the world,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: but there is no doubt about it that trail cameras
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: have changed the game, even for myself, Like I've used
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: that information to no end, you know. So I know,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: I know I wouldn't have as many big deer on
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: the wall as I do if it wasn't for trail cameras.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just they're hard to hard to argue with that.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it just is it's the facts, you know,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: even though just even the regular cards and sell cams
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: and just taking it to another level. Yeah, you know.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: So the next one here is kind of related. If
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: you had to give up all of your high end
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: hunting gear. Right, you're really nice bow, you're really nice camo,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: your nice trail cameras, your nice optics, all the good stuff,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: your stands. You had to get rid of all of
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: it and replace it with entry level products, Like you
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: had to go to Walmart and replace everything with just
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: like the budget stuff, except for one category you could
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: keep like one high end thing, like your high end
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: bow or your high end whatever. What would be the
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: one thing that you would spend the extra premium dollars
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: to keep that one high end thing? And why.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: I would probably say, Man, that's a tough one, because
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: like there's so many different things that you could pick there.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: But I feel like it would be hard to give
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: up a trail camera because like I mean, I feel
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: like bows in general or whatever. You know, there's you know,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: I used to kill deer with you know, beare white
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: tail two hunters when I was a kid, you know,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: with fat giant aluminum arrows, with you know, horrible broadheads.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: But the trail camera for me, I guess is hard
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: because it allows me to scout so many different deer
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: in so many areas in so many states at once. Yeah,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: that would be very hard for me to give up
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: because of the end, because it helps your hunts. It
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: helps you not waste time, and I hate wasting time
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: to where like when you first get to a place
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: years ago, you know you'd have to start scouting, you'd
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: watch from afar, and I still do that at times,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: like you know, so giving up a trail camera would
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: be tough. And I know some people may say, oh,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: that's a cop out, but it just is. It'd be
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: tough because I've gotten so used to being able to
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: put information together. Like you still got to know where
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: those big deer are. You still have to kill them.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: You still have to. It's not like I watched my
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: phone and be like, oh, you just walked past camera
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: number two. I'm gonna run a camera number three and
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: sit there. You know, I don't do that, Like it's
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: I don't use them for that. I love taking information
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: that I've learned from a certain deer and how they
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: do things and when they do it, and from weather
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: patterns to just I love that. I enjoy that part
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: of it. I love watching them come into a food plot.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: I play in it. I mock scrapes I've made, watching
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: them work those scrapes. I love messing with deer that
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: are camera shy and hiding cameras from them and getting
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: them from a different angle, and they think they got
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: away with it and they didn't, you know, and I
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: got them so like it's I don't know, I just
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: really love trail cameras.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not alone. You're definitely not alone in that.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: How about this one. If one of your best hunting
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: buddies was sitting here with us today, or or someone
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: who's spent a lot of time with you, maybe maybe
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: a camera guy, someone who's been with you a lot hunting.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: Who's who's seen you through your ups and Downs's who's
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: observed you, who's heard you talk about this stuff a lot.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: If they were here with us and I asked them
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: to point to your single greatest strength as a deer hunter,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: what do you think that they would call out? Is
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: your greatest strength as a deer hunter?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: Oh? Man, I don't know. One of my best I'm
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: at one of my best friend's house. We should call
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: him down here and ask him to see it would
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: be funny, like.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: Get the honest truth of the matter. Yeah, you're welcome.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: You're welcome to ask him if you want.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, hold on me. See if I
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: get hey, Lamar, this will be an interesting thing because
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: like that's a that's a good question. Yeah, because I
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: don't know what people think of me.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well sometimes it's it's sometimes a friend will say
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: the thing that deep in your heart you know to
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: be true, but maybe you have never really said it
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: out loud.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: And so so that's kind of an interesting thing.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think I kind of have an idea
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: that somebody may say, well, Ben is very persistent, you know,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: or just focused yea on a big deer something like that.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: But I'm curious, you know, myself, as to what somebody
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: would say. All right, here's Lamar, come on over here, buddy.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: So he asked me this question. I was like, well,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know. So, like I said, I'm Matten one
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: of my friends play, so let's ask him.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: All right, I want to put put you on the
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: put you on the spot here, Lamar. So what I
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: was asking Ben was if if one of his best
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: hunting buddies is here with us today, which now you are.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: My question is what would you say is Ben's greatest
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: strength as a deer hunter.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, like from my perspective like Ben.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: Ben almost has like this, this thing is a deer hunter.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: Like Ben finds a deer, Ben will like high percentage,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: she'll kill that deer. He's just has this instinct about
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: deer and what they're doing that Ben if Ben finds him.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: Ben's hardest part is finding a deer he wants to kill.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: Like he's like like this scavenger that's looking for the
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: deer he wants to kill. So I go out there
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: and it's like, yeah, that thing's five and a half,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna shoot him.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: And Ben's still looking for one.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: But when bun Ben finds one, it's like, I mean,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: the the the odds are.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: Against that deer. Like I've seen him do it.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: I haven't known Ben for terrible many years, but I've
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: seen him do it with deer that that I knew
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: he wanted to kill. And usually it's not very long.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: I get the picture. Once he's on that deer, he'll
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: tell you I'm on that deer, and so usually doesn't
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: take very long. So he's got an uncanny just a
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: sixth sense about you know what deer are doing.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: And it's it's a gift.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: Really, I don't know you I don't know that you
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: can totally teach what Ben's got in that sense.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: So it's that it's that sixth sense, it's that deep,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: deep understanding of deer, and that then becomes like instinct.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: Probably now I gotta ask you, and Ben maybe didn't
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: know this was coming, But uh, what's the other side
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: of it? So, what's Ben's greatest weakness as a deer
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: hunter or his greatest area for improvement? You're on the
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: outside looking in. It's a lot easier to identify those
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: weak spots from the outside. What do you think? What
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: do you think that might be?
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: Probably his biggest one of them. This may not even
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: be related to killing deer, but what one of his
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: biggest weaknesses is taking his cameraman with him in the
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: tree us I'm a lone ranger, so he calls me Tonto. Yeah, no,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: I I I don't. I don't really know. I don't
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: really know exactly how to answer that.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 5: I mean that are you specifically rated, like talking about
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: specifically killing deer or just like as a deer hunter
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: land manager?
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: Could be it could be really any one of those things.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'll tell you. One thing I'm really bad
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: about is when it's that time of year. I don't
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: want to talk to anybody. M Yeah, I'm not a.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: Very social Yeah he the social part, he's kind of
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: like a buck, you know after they get done bachelor
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: and up or whatever in a certain time, Like he
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: just not just not hanging out.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: When I shed my velvet, I'm disappearing.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: I get that.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, like it's it's weird, Like I so,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: I will say this since because like me and Lamar
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: have some ground in the same area, and you know,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: we get to spend time together in the evenings, you know,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: staying in the cabin together and stuff. At times, I
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: do enjoy that more. But like I don't go out
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: to eat very seldom, Like in the evenings, I don't
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: like I am, so I'm focused to a point of
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: almost like to a fault. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: I would.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: I would probably say that that could actually be something
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: like I think that like for me, I enjoy I
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: enjoy camp. I like the camaraderie, I like the experience
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: and and like, uh, I don't know if you can
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: get Ben to dial back and start enjoying those things
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: more or not, But that would probably be in one
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: area that I think Ben could probably you know, I could.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: Use some Yeah, it's hard for me because, like I
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: look at it, I've always looked at it like this,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: because even from a young age, traveling and hunting, you know,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: I was taking time for my wife, taking time for
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: my kids to go do what I wanted to do.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: The filming only came into play because I looked at
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: it as a way that I didn't have to spend
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: that money to buy a bow or clothes or things.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: Back when I started with the juries, and they paid
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: us a little bit of money, and so that was
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: a win for me, like I didn't have to take
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: for my family, and so to me it was a
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: job like because for one, you know, Mark and Terry
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: were counting on me to kill some deer and on film,
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  Speaker 3: and I took that serious. And so I think where
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  Speaker 3: I've struggled is whenever I'm out of state, and especially
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  Speaker 3: now that I have my own show and I have
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  Speaker 3: sponsors and a reputation, it's like I'm so focused on
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  Speaker 3: trying to be successful that sometimes I can make it
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  Speaker 3: not fun for myself. Like I was saying, that's where
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  Speaker 3: I said, I have the experience like let's keep the
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  Speaker 3: fun in it. And sometimes I can take the fun
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  Speaker 3: out of it, you know, but at the time I'm
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  Speaker 3: really having fun. I think, you know, I'm just missing
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  Speaker 3: out on some of the things that of visiting. And
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  Speaker 3: but I have gotten better. But definitely that could be something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Lamar, you sound like some of my hunting buddies.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard the same feedback and uh and yeah, I'll
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  Speaker 2: let you. I'll let you get back to your life, lamar.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that. Yeah for sure, good bet,
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  Speaker 2: Yeah you too. I got I got three fast questions.
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  Speaker 2: We'll do it in three minutes, all right. So what
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  Speaker 2: is one common mindset or trait that all the best
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  Speaker 2: deer hunters you know haven't.
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  Speaker 3: Come they practice practice?
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  Speaker 2: What is what is one commonly held belief within the
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  Speaker 2: deer hunting world that you think is actually hogwash.
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  Speaker 3: That deer workscrapes down wind, that they sent check scrapes
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  Speaker 3: down wind.
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  Speaker 2: You don't think they do that.
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  Speaker 3: No, I've never seen a big buck. I've never seen
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  Speaker 3: a big buck that I was after not go to
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  Speaker 3: the scrape that I wanted them to. I've seen a
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  Speaker 3: lot of articles where guys talk about deer traveling down
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  Speaker 3: wind of scrapes to smell. They want to work that
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  Speaker 3: scrape they do.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, this is it last one. If you
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  Speaker 2: were forced to distill the very most important idea about
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  Speaker 2: deer hunting, the best piece of advice you can give
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  Speaker 2: about deer hunting for folks, if you get to distill
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  Speaker 2: it down to like one phrase that you could put
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  Speaker 2: up like on a giant billboard in the side of
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  Speaker 2: the highway, like on the way to bass pro shops
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  Speaker 2: or something where every deer hunter is going to drive
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  Speaker 2: by it on their way there, and there's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a big old billboard in the side of the road,
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  Speaker 2: and you can put one idea on that billboard that
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  Speaker 2: you would want these folks to be able to read.
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  Speaker 2: You're like your final parting words of most important deer
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  Speaker 2: hunting advice. What would that be?
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  Speaker 3: Well, when it comes to the actual part of deer hunting,
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  Speaker 3: like tactical, it truly is the hunt smarter, not harder.
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  Speaker 3: It truly is. It's using that because you can sometimes
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  Speaker 3: just do too much, you know, and you're pushing those
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  Speaker 3: deer off. Pressure is key no matter where you're hunting.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care what kind of farm you're on. From
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  Speaker 3: public land to the most managed private land. Whatever hunting
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  Speaker 3: smarter and not harder is? You know, I think really
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  Speaker 3: the key I can't.
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  Speaker 2: Argue with you on that.
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  Speaker 3: I was put a billboard up on the side of
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  Speaker 3: the highway. I would say big deer, awesome, But Jesus
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  Speaker 3: is king.
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  Speaker 2: There you go. I like that. Circle back to circle,
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  Speaker 2: back to the important stuff. So thank you, Ben. What's
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  Speaker 2: the what's the where do you want to send folks
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  Speaker 2: For folks who listen to this, where can they see
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: your content? Where can they watch the videos the show?
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  Speaker 2: You know, connect with you? Whatever it is? What if
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  Speaker 2: folks need to know?
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  Speaker 3: Well, whitetail edge dot com is my website, white tail
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  Speaker 3: edgetv is my channel on YouTube. We airon Macio Go
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: channel carbon TV. You know, we have Instagram, Facebook. A
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: lot of my tidbit information is on our social channels,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like weekly stuff that we're doing and talking
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: about little bits of information. My YouTube channel is decent,
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  Speaker 3: but it's we typically don't upload our hunts until like
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: the following July from the past season. You know, then
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: are edited and put up right about velvet time. But
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: you know, so a lot of my info day to
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  Speaker 3: day grinding info is on our social channels. You know.
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  Speaker 3: I know if I was to push my YouTube channel
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: more and put more content on it, it would grow more.
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  Speaker 3: But I really didn't start my YouTube channel for money,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to where some people really focus on that
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: for the income. You know, that's that's really not what
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  Speaker 3: I did it for. But it would be nice to
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: see that channel grow more. But you know, but if
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  Speaker 3: people do subscribe to it, whenever we do upload stuff,
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  Speaker 3: they get a notice.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome, all right, Well, from everything I've seen over the years,
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  Speaker 2: it is definitely worth doing. You've got some great stuff
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  Speaker 2: out there, great hunts, a lot to learn, and man,
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  Speaker 2: I just I appreciate it. I appreciate you taking the
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  Speaker 2: time to do this and sharing so much knowledge across
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  Speaker 2: your platforms. A lot of people have learned from you,
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  Speaker 2: So thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I appreciate it, and I feel like I've
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  Speaker 3: been truly blessed, you know. I mean, it's I got.
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  Speaker 4: A very.
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  Speaker 3: Very fortunate the deer that I've been able to hunt
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: and harvest over the years. And you know, I truly
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  Speaker 3: appreciate you having me on the podcast. I love this podcast,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: and truly it's been a joy to watch you grow
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: in the industry and how big you've become. I mean, look,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, jeez, Mark, look at you. I mean you're
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: with the meat eaters like that was whoever thought that
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  Speaker 3: was you were going to do that? You know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Like, how cool, very very fortunate, very blessed. Like you said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm thankful for it, and just don't keep keep trying
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: to do good stuff with it, right, yeah, help other folks.
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  Speaker 2: So all right, well, I'll let you and Lamar get
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  Speaker 2: back to your plans and uh, let's check back in
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  Speaker 2: again this.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, thanks brother, all right, that's a wrap.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning in. Hope you enjoyed this one. If
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  Speaker 2: you didn't hear our last episode with John Eberhart that's
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: kicked off this series, please go back and do so,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: and then be sure to tune in. We've got more
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: of these coming down the line. I'll give you a
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: little heads up, a little preview. Next week, I believe
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: we will be joined by mister Andre Twisto, So buckle up.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a good one. We're gonna get another
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: really interesting look into the mind of one of the
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: best white tail hunters out there, and I think you'll
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: enjoy it, so thanks for being here. I appreciate you.
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  Speaker 2: Until next time, stay wired to Hunt.