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28 Years Later: Bone Temple – Xenomania 57 · Xenomania

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  No, be afraid.
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  Be very afraid.
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  Kearns: Magd in 2026 and we're, we're here to talk about which movie Fellas
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  Ryan: years later and the Bone Temple
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  Kearns: Own Temple is out.
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  How many, uh, months since the first, 28 years later.
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  Ryan: year,
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  Kearns: One year to the day kind of thing.
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  Ryan: it also helped that it was filmed.
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  Jon: Release date.
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  Ryan: it was released in January.
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  Jon: it's like six months.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  I
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  Jon: Nah,
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  Kearns: I
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  Jon: like,
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  Kearns: It was
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  Jon: it's like a six month turnaround.
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  Kearns: Yeah,
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Ryan: a year based on,
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  Kearns: it was warm outside.
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  Ryan: oh my God.
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  Six months.
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  Well, I mean, it helps that they filmed it back to back, um, with 28
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Ryan: as well as the Bone Temple.
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  Two different directors though.
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  Um, this one, the first 20 years later, directed by Danny Boyle, this
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  one directed by Nia DeCosta, who
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  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: uh, the Candyman, which we covered recently in a recent episode.
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  Kearns: Get outta here.
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  Jon: Which, which was why we did that.
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  Ryan: it, and it worked out, um, because it Bone Temple kicked ass.
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  But I do wanna ask opinion if you think that if someone watches this,
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  they should watch 28 years later first and then this immediately right after.
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  Because I feel like watching the first film 28 years later is great.
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  It's a good film, but this is 10 times better at the Bone Temple and
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  it definitely follows up nicely.
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  Kearns: It absolutely follows up nicely.
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  I do agree that it is a better movie.
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  I think it was planned that way
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: Planned to be deeper.
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  Um, the first movie kind of set as the, uh, reintroduction of the world and
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  where it's gone since the first franchise ending and, and, uh, forgetting the second
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  movie, things like, things like that.
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  Ryan: percent.
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  Forgetting a hundred percent.
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  Kearns: John, what's your take on
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Um, I really liked Bone Temple.
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  Bone Temple has some moments that you don't expect from
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  this type of type of movie.
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  These like quiet, peaceful moments of Kelson and s Samson sitting and
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  Kelson talking to Samson and just like bonding with an alpha infected.
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  Kearns: That was interesting.
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  And that part of the movie was like gorillas in the mist for me a little bit.
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  I was, I was, I wasn't sold on where they were going at all at that point.
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  and they, I, I started to really become a believer that this is a great
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  movie, or it was going to be a good movie, at least about an hour into it.
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  And then the end solidified it.
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  I was like, all right, they nailed this thing.
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  This was a good movie.
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  And I have, I've been thinking about it since we saw it, which
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  is always a good sign too.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: It's been on my mind lately, especially how like.
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  How they started off.
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  They're continuing the story of course, but the ending too, and
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  the ending stuck with me, and we're gonna cover the ending at the end.
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  I don't wanna spoil it yet, but how they connected to the next
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  film, which will be the third film of the 28 years later trilogy.
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  I think it was done better than how they did in the, uh,
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  first one, the 28 years later.
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  which makes it definitely superior.
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  I I wonder if, uh, when the third film comes out, if they'll b blend
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  them together and do a release both 28 years later and the Bone temple.
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  Something like Godfather.
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  Jon: They might.
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  Ryan: Godfather, godfather part two
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  Jon: They might.
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  Kearns: Maybe wouldn't be a bad
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  Jon: I mean, I think they do that a little less now.
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  Be with how available things are on streaming and physical
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  media that you know, you can.
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  Just do it at home.
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  Kearns: Right.
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  You can just stream, you can do nine hours of it a Saturday
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  because it's a, a blizzard outside.
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  It's time to hit the Godfather trilogy.
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  You know the, I hadn't seen The Godfather Trilogy for years, and I, I love movies.
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  People made fun of me, so I got like a stomach virus and I was, I
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  was banished to the, the recliner for a, I think a two day stretch.
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  I had to call outta work two days, and I finally watched The Godfather Trilogy.
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  I remember why I hadn't watched it.
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  I kept falling asleep.
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  It's that lonely set Chema phone.
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  The music puts you out, dude.
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  It's like
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  Jon: I never had that problem with the godfathers.
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  Well, the first two,
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  Kearns: the third one's not good.
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  Ryan: No.
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  Jon: no, no, the third one is a mess
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  Kearns: But, uh,
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  Jon: I have a, apparently there's a new cut of it that makes it
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  somewhat better, but it's still got Sophia Coppola in it and.
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  That was my big problem.
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  And Andy Garcia, uh, Andy Garcia is, was not very good in that.
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  Ryan: 'em were good, poor casting decisions and uh, mean new cut saves
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  the story a little bit, but I mean,
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  Jon: Every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in.
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  Kearns: yeah, the iconic lines.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  You'd also reach like peak Pacino be just acting as like the over the top
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  Al Pacino by that point too, I think,
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  Kearns: he
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  Jon: because you, you really reached a point with him where he's like
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  just the elevated ver Scarface version of him all the time.
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  Kearns: He is great in devil's advocate with that persona
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  too, where he is just like
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: the whole movie.
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  Ryan: Yeah,
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: But that does explain the streaming.
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  I didn't mean for us all to go on a Godfather Pacino tangent.
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  Wouldn't it be cool if Pacino was in this movie if he was
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  like one of the Jimmy Fingers?
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  Ryan: He is
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  Kearns: So let's actually, let's get into that actually.
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  So begin this movie with a real different vibe and it's the Culty leaders esque
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  sort of Jimmy that we've been waiting for and we, we made mention in the last
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  episode he's very much so a clockwork orangey kind of vibe, but we found out
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  that he's not quite based on that at all.
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  It just sort of looked that way.
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  He's based on something else.
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  Jon: He's based on something far worse.
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  Ryan: he
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  Kearns: What is that gentlemen?
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  Jon: Um, he's based on a man named Jimmy Seville.
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  Um, most of the things Jimmy Seville is known for are things that will
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  get us banned from most platforms.
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  Um.
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  What you get with from Jimmy Seville is up until after he
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  dies, he's like a British hero.
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  People know who he is, he's respected, he's beloved.
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  Um, which really kind of works for 28 years later because
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  this is the last time they've encountered Jimmy Seville in that world.
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  He's still a hero.
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  He's still a safe, welcoming person.
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  And then you get the time jump that they get, but without the, the benefit
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  of what comes after 2011 and Seville's real life death and the allegation, the
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  abuse allegations that, I mean, kind of equate him to a British Epstein, but
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  maybe worse because he was sort of like a TV legend, well-known kind of guy.
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  Ryan: You just put a twist on it for me.
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  'cause I didn't even think about that.
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  Because of the time of the virus, they wouldn't have found out
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  about all the horrible things.
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  So that's why he's beloved.
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  And I was trying to figure that out.
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  John, you just cracked Pandora's box.
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  Thank you on that one.
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  Jon: He's safe.
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  Ryan: In
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  Jon: He,
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  Ryan: universe,
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  Jon: I mean, in, in England up until 2011, he's safe.
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  Kearns: Wow,
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  Jon: a little, I, I think, I think the first allegations
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  came out like 12 or 13 maybe.
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  But
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  Ryan: you're, you're right.
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  Jon: they're bad.
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  Kearns: that's wild.
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  Ryan: horrible.
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  There's a documentary, I think on Netflix about the whole ordeal.
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  Jon: There is, yes.
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  Ryan: Very close to the royal family.
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  Very close to a lot of people.
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  Uh,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: pretty scary, especially like in, he was introduced in fifties,
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  so imagine from the start of the fifties to his death in Yeah.
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  Pretty bad, bad stuff.
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  Tough.
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  Jon: I mean, it's, I, I don't know enough about him to fully make a
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  comparison, but it sort of feels like this would be somebody like Mr. Rogers
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  turning out that way to Americans.
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  Kearns: Yeah, you know what?
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  I think of Death of Death to smooch if like they'd done that
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  movie with this twist on it.
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  'cause it's pretty much the vibe.
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  Like the children's TV show is a, an absolute train wreck.
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  The host is, I mean.
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  Ryan: do that to Rainbow Randolph.
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  Kearns: Rainbow Randolph such a good movie.
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  If you haven't seen Death Des Moochie, get out there and see
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  it or in there, your living room
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  Ryan: un,
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  Kearns: and see
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  Ryan: underrated film.
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  It came out at the same time, one hour photo came out.
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  Kearns: hmm
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  Jon: Yeah, it did.
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  Kearns: Um,
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  Ryan: much
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  Kearns: so the Jimmy character is made in the first movie.
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  We actually see what happens to him in the first movie.
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  That's his origin story.
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  It's easy to forget
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: if that's the best choice on the filmmaker's part for this, because
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  if we weren't so locked into this franchise, we probably would've forgotten
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  about what makes him, and they show his father, who's a priest or a pastor
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  Ryan: Yep.
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  Kearns: at the beginning, and he sees the infected as the, sort of
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  rapture bringing, I don't even know.
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  Does he call them angels?
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  Ryan: considers them like the rapture, like they're demons from
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  hell, and he's just kind of allowing them to take him in and he's gonna
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  lead them in his own s demented way.
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  He, he goes crazy
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  Kearns: And then he gets wrecked by them and turned into one of them,
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  Ryan: Jimmy sees it, he's leading the pact towards him.
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  So
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  Kearns: right?
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  Jimmy's view of things and we do get reintroduced to that
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  concept and see why Jimmy is
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: and why he thinks the way he thinks, and this is
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  his world from adolescence.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  And he, I mean, the way they tie things in with that is like things that you wouldn't
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  have necessarily caught in the first one, like the, the shadow of the cross on his
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  father as he gets killed is inverted, and then that becomes Jimmy's worldview,
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  this inverted cross satanism old nick
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  Kearns: That's,
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  Jon: idea.
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  Kearns: that old nick, Nick, Mr. Nick, they call him in the movie.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: was kind of, I'm, I'm almost glad they didn't do like
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  old, like, scratch Mr. Scratch or anything like that too on the nose.
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  Takes a while for us to get to that.
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  And then we get to the other big persona in the movie.
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  Speaking of Mr.
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  Nick, Ray Fines,
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  Ryan: I thought you were
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  Jon: Yep.
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  Ryan: S Samson, but No.
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  Ray Fines.
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  Kearns: we'll talk about him too.
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  Yeah.
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  Ray Fines is it, how do we pronounce, how do we pronounce it?
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  Finn Phineas.
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  But it, his first name is Forgivable, but defines is definitely the last.
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  so his character is, I forget his name actually.
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  The doctor there he goes,
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  Jon: Ian
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  Kearns: Ian Kelson uh, put, he's thrust into the limelight for
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  this, even more so than Spike.
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  he, goes through sort of his arc of, like we alluded to earlier, of sort
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  of trying to figure out the infected.
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  And he does that by forging this cool relationship with the Alpha Sampson.
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  he does that by giving him morphine, is a great way to make friends in
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  Jon: lots and.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Tons of it.
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  He even takes a little himself, just have a good time with his buddy.
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  And he does, they, they sit there and they dope.
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  They dope each other out or he dopes him up and then, uh, they
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  hang out like sitting on a, you know, tree stump in a field.
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  Ryan: That was a big
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  Kearns: And Sam.
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  Ryan: That was a big chance
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: change.
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  Well, at that point too, he
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: if he loses on it, and you get that when he does dope
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  himself up and he passes out to
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: will do anything.
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  When he wakes up
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: he's just gone, then he does the little
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Ryan: I
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  Jon: And I like they do a good job of expanding on what you knew about
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  Kelson in the first movie that he is, he is built this temple to honor the
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  dead, and the first time you see him is, that's really what he's doing.
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  He's got another body, he's singing a Duran Duran song as he drags the body back
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  to prepare it, to add it to the temple.
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  Ryan: Duran heavy
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  Jon: He.
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  Ryan: the way.
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  Jon: But then the second time you get a Duran Duran song, I think is
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  more revelatory than anything else.
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  I think that really shows you where Kelsons mindset is, because the, the
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  second, the, I think it's the second, it might be the third Duran Duran
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  song, but when they use Ordinary World, you know, the, that's, that's
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  revelatory into the mind of Dr.
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  Kelson too, because I, to me, that's what he's seeking in Samson
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  initially is not so much the cure.
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  He is thinking about that too, but he's also finding something normal in
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  his life, like he's now got a friend that he can spend time with, even if
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  that friend can't talk back to him yet.
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  Kearns: Samson, him nurturing the words from Samson is a big, big part of the
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  arc of the Samson character in this as
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: And he, his ultimate goal is to establish a way to cure Samson.
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  and I don't know, actually we can vector into that at this point.
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  if you want or we can swing back to Jimmy and the fingers.
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  Um,
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  Ryan: swing
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  Kearns: before we do that.
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  Ryan: back to Jimmy and his fingers, um, that cult-like status that Jimmy
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  has and the relationship with Old Nick and, you know, the sinism that
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  he portrays to his like followers.
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  The Jimmys, um, when we open up Spike is getting initiated in
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  pool scene, this abandoned pool, um, I guess YMCA we can call it.
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  And of all the scenes that we're gonna get to, this is the most glorious, but
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  it's also the coolest 'cause Now you wouldn't consider it the most glorious No.
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  With the
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  Kearns: No,
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  Ryan: out out of
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  Kearns: not.
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  Ryan: lake.
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  Kearns: Nope.
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  Jon: Sure.
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  Ryan: Okay.
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  Jon: In the background and kind of obscured shirting is way worse.
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  Ryan: Okay.
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  Uh, a
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  Kearns: The femoral artery severing portion of it though is visceral.
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  And you get the Splash, splash, splash.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: is put up against somebody who's far more capable than he is at fighting
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  and hurting and, and taking somebody out.
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  And Spike gets lucky
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  Ryan: yes.
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  Kearns: 'cause the guy's not really paying attention.
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  And he gets some in the perfect little spot.
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  And then what Ryan's talking about is the,
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  Ryan: It's a
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  Kearns: that
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: like dead
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  Kearns: and we get to see the other fingers go, oh dude, you're done.
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  And they're very like,
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: calm and matter of fact about it, just like, oh, yep, you're, that's it for
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Ryan: Yep.
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  Kearns: Spikes the new Jimmy?
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  And it, it really establishes that for the, the fingers.
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  Jimmy is the only one that they really care at all about.
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  The rest of them are very replaceable.
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  Kearns: Yep.
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  Ryan: charity, as Jimmy would say it.
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  Lord
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  Kearns: Oh,
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  Ryan: Crystal Charity.
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  Kearns: And then Spike gets brought into this world where they, they
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  chance upon or hunt other humans and they deliver acts of charity
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  Ryan: Yep.
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  Kearns: to them.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: that is, that really means what?
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  Ryan: Death, destruction, chaos,
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  Kearns: Torture.
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  Ryan: all.
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  Kearns: And
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  Jon: and, and death in whatever form old Nick tells Jimmy, who, by the
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  way, you never see Jimmy do anything.
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  Kearns: that's true.
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  The
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  Jon: He just guides.
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  Kearns: stabs one particular character we'll
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  Jon: Yep.
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  Ryan: this
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  Jon: Yep.
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  He just guides.
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  Ryan: at the Teletubbies
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  Kearns: Wild stuff.
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  Ryan: by the way.
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  'cause he's getting this from the tele Teletubbies
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  Kearns: that is true.
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  Ryan: because that is the last show he watched.
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  He, Jimmy is the son and these little fingers are the teletubbies.
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  That's how I see it.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: He teaches some of them the dance as well, which is another thing.
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  But
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  Ryan: was a curve ball.
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  I was.
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  Kearns: Spike gets
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  Jon: Jimmy is,
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  Kearns: world.
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  Jon: Jimmy is the son and the son in both spellings.
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  You know, he is the son in the the Teletubbies and he's also the son at this
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  point, claiming to be the son of Satan.
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  Kearns: some good symbology in this movie.
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  Ryan: is.
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  Kearns: Symbology.
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  Yeah.
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  the, the symbolism runs deep with stuff that doesn't seem like it's matters,
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  but that's one of the things that makes the ending kind of land pretty well.
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  Ryan: Oh yeah.
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  Kearns: you go, oh man, I thought this was all stupid, superfluous stuff.
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  It all mattered.
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  And I
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: Before we go any
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: kind of hit the midpoint, like where you are in the movie
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  now where, where everything's sort of coming together.
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  Before we go any further, John, you have any, do you have
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  anything special for us today?
• 18:03
  Jon: I have a game for you guys, and it might be the most diabolical one yet.
• 18:07
  Ryan: am
• 18:07
  Kearns: You wanna play a game?
• 18:09
  Ryan: I'm ready.
• 18:11
  Kearns: I don't know
• 18:12
  Jon: All right, so
• 18:12
  Kearns: Ryan.
• 18:14
  Jon: it's, it's gonna be a variation on our normal keep and cut,
• 18:18
  which I think from here forward, I'm gonna call slash or Stash.
• 18:24
  Ryan: like
• 18:24
  Kearns: All
• 18:25
  Jon: You can, you can slash it to get rid of it or a stash it to keep it.
• 18:31
  And
• 18:32
  Ryan: Alright.
• 18:33
  Jon: so I'm gonna get,
• 18:34
  Kearns: Ooh,
• 18:35
  Jon: I'm changing the rules up a little bit.
• 18:36
  Ryan: is a good film.
• 18:38
  Jon: I'm ch hold up, hold up before you get too far.
• 18:41
  I'm changing the rules.
• 18:42
  Kearns: hayak at us right away, by the way, and, and
• 18:46
  Jon: You guys can, you guys can only keep three or Stash three slash five.
• 18:55
  And I'm gonna tell you right off the bat, these are all
• 18:58
  the middle movie in a trilogy.
• 19:02
  The movies you slash disappear from the trilogy forever.
• 19:06
  Ryan: And you
• 19:07
  Jon: The other two movie, the other two parts of the trilogy continue to exist.
• 19:12
  Kearns: I wonder if Godfather's gonna come back into this conversation.
• 19:16
  Um, all right.
• 19:17
  Hmm.
• 19:18
  Ryan: desperado kinda like exist in that because like El Maria,
• 19:24
  it's like the evil dead situation.
• 19:26
  Desperado is a soft
• 19:27
  Kearns: Once upon a time in Mexico, Hmm.
• 19:33
  gonna slash this one because I don't care if this franchise dies.
• 19:39
  I liked it very much, but I have a feeling there's more coming
• 19:41
  and if I have to cut five,
• 19:43
  Ryan: but he said, he said evil.
• 19:46
  He's gonna be really evil in this.
• 19:48
  Kearns: sure he is.
• 19:51
  I'm sure he is.
• 19:52
  Jon: but which direction am I going?
• 19:53
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 19:54
  Let's,
• 19:55
  Jon: Is this, is this the best of the trilogies or.
• 19:59
  Kearns: oh, it's dive really, if this is the best of the trilogies,
• 20:04
  Ryan: you know what gonna, I'm gonna slash it.
• 20:08
  our new terminology.
• 20:10
  I'll, I love desperado.
• 20:11
  I love the guitar scene.
• 20:13
  It has the machine gun, Danny REOs in it.
• 20:16
  isn't Steve Buscemi in it?
• 20:18
  He's the, he's like works with him or something, right?
• 20:22
  Is it Steve Buscemi?
• 20:24
  Jon: think so.
• 20:25
  I forget the, the third one has a ton of people in it,
• 20:30
  Ryan: yeah,
• 20:30
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 20:30
  The third
• 20:31
  Jon: so it could be three.
• 20:32
  Ryan: But, but I'll have to, I'll have to slash it.
• 20:35
  It's recommended though, especially on Snowmageddon if
• 20:38
  you're home for the next two days.
• 20:39
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 20:40
  Oh, I really like Desperado.
• 20:42
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 20:43
  It's a
• 20:43
  Jon: I know where this is going.
• 20:45
  Ryan: a nice
• 20:45
  Kearns: You do?
• 20:46
  Jon: All right.
• 20:46
  Next.
• 20:47
  Kearns: Okay.
• 20:50
  Ryan: oh,
• 20:52
  Jon: Dark Knight Boys.
• 20:53
  Ryan: we're gonna stash that.
• 20:54
  Definitely.
• 20:56
  We're def
• 20:56
  Kearns: We have stash that I.
• 20:59
  Ryan: you're talking to a Batman fan right now.
• 21:01
  It's like,
• 21:02
  Kearns: It's just great movie.
• 21:03
  It's arguably the best Batman movie ever made.
• 21:07
  Ryan: I will agree with that.
• 21:07
  Yes.
• 21:08
  Just, and it's the joker and uh,
• 21:12
  Kearns: Look at his face.
• 21:13
  Look at John.
• 21:14
  What are you doing over there, John?
• 21:16
  Jon: Shameless confession.
• 21:18
  I hate this movie.
• 21:20
  Ryan: why that I, I'm, I won't get why.
• 21:22
  Jon: Num number, number one.
• 21:25
  I think it's overhyped because of
• 21:27
  Kearns: death
• 21:28
  Jon: a death.
• 21:29
  Ryan: That's one.
• 21:29
  I agree.
• 21:30
  Jon: I, I think, I think, I think it gets elevated because it's Heath ledger's
• 21:34
  last movie and it, I mean, he's good.
• 21:36
  It's a good movie.
• 21:38
  But people talk about like this, like it's a top 10 or 15 all time.
• 21:44
  Too far.
• 21:44
  Ryan: say top
• 21:45
  Jon: Too far,
• 21:46
  Ryan: like fifth
• 21:47
  Kearns: Now I love
• 21:48
  Jon: too far.
• 21:48
  Kearns: it.
• 21:50
  I love what he did with it.
• 21:51
  I feel like this performance with a plot like the third movie would've
• 21:54
  been even more epic because the plot of the second movie, I don't love, I
• 21:58
  don't love the ferry scene and I hate Maggie Gyllenhaal in it and stuff,
• 22:03
  but he, I just a hyper focus on him.
• 22:06
  Ledger's joker to me, is a fantastic portrayal and I've never seen
• 22:10
  anything like it and I like it, so I'm gonna agree to disagree for once.
• 22:16
  I usually never, ever disagree with John.
• 22:18
  Ryan: can agree with John that there's an over hype because
• 22:22
  once he did, he passed away.
• 22:24
  It was all that big focus.
• 22:26
  It is a really good though superhero film.
• 22:28
  It's a great drama action thriller.
• 22:31
  I mean like Seed Ledger, he kills it as the joker, but it's also like,
• 22:37
  like this is where I, I get a question about it is what about Jack Nicholson?
• 22:41
  I'm a big Jack Nicholson fan when it comes to the live action version.
• 22:44
  I love Jack, but it's what version of the Joker you're looking at.
• 22:48
  Would Jack Nicholson being more of the crime boss and Heath Ledger being
• 22:51
  that mix of the Batman from 1940 issue one, where he was like this old crime
• 22:58
  boss mixed with a little bit of The Killing Joke, which is the comedian
• 23:03
  version, which blends pretty well.
• 23:08
  I,
• 23:09
  Jon: Yeah.
• 23:11
  Yeah.
• 23:11
  I, I mean, I feel like any of the, any of the Batman properties where the Joker pops
• 23:17
  up, become immediately way elevated beyond what they necessarily deserve to be.
• 23:25
  I mean, even the Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie is fine, but it's not the hype.
• 23:34
  Ryan: okay.
• 23:36
  Oh, oh, let's, we're gonna have to debate about the Joker one day.
• 23:40
  That one, that film?
• 23:42
  Kearns: Not today.
• 23:42
  What's the next movie?
• 23:44
  Jon: Now.
• 23:45
  Next Blade two.
• 23:48
  Kearns: Cut
• 23:48
  Ryan: I am gonna,
• 23:48
  Kearns: sta slash That sucker.
• 23:51
  Ryan: on.
• 23:51
  Did you say Stash?
• 23:53
  Kearns: I meant slash action Bloody weld on
• 23:57
  Ryan: this one too.
• 23:59
  I like Blade too, but I, I don't know what you're, you're, you're
• 24:02
  Jon: Yeah,
• 24:03
  Ryan: it.
• 24:03
  You put the Dark Knight on here.
• 24:04
  Like what?
• 24:05
  What are you doing here?
• 24:07
  Kearns: and then
• 24:08
  Jon: you, you, you guys, you guys Slash Del Toro.
• 24:13
  Kearns: I will slash this del Toro.
• 24:14
  Yes.
• 24:16
  just telling my, my barber how much I'm obsessed with Del Toro
• 24:22
  today Actually.
• 24:25
  Ryan: It's the beard.
• 24:26
  Jon: All right.
• 24:26
  Next
• 24:30
  Beverly Hills Cop two.
• 24:32
  Kearns: You're, you're a bastard.
• 24:33
  Is what you are,
• 24:34
  Ryan: Hmm?
• 24:35
  Kearns: this, this is the alphabet one, right?
• 24:37
  Ryan: is with Bridget Nielsen,
• 24:39
  Jon: Yep.
• 24:39
  Ryan: murders.
• 24:42
  I'm gonna slash.
• 24:43
  I'm gonna slash this one.
• 24:45
  Jon: Ooh.
• 24:46
  Ryan: this one too.
• 24:47
  I, I do like this sequel.
• 24:52
  Kearns: I'm keeping it.
• 24:53
  I'm stashing it.
• 24:55
  Jon: Ooh.
• 24:55
  Kearns: I'm doing it.
• 24:56
  Oh, John knows I'm gonna regret that decision, but I'm doing it anyway.
• 24:59
  I'm doing it anyway.
• 25:01
  Ryan: up to three to one.
• 25:02
  Okay.
• 25:02
  So I got
• 25:04
  Jon: Yep.
• 25:04
  Kearns: movie.
• 25:05
  This
• 25:05
  Jon: You're,
• 25:05
  Kearns: a run on TBS kind of movie.
• 25:08
  It
• 25:08
  Jon: yep.
• 25:09
  Kearns: and I watched it.
• 25:11
  Jon: Yep.
• 25:12
  I, I love the first two Beverly Hills cops.
• 25:15
  Kearns: they're great.
• 25:16
  Ryan: one's rough.
• 25:16
  The fourth one's okay.
• 25:19
  Jon: Yeah.
• 25:20
  I don't count the fourth one though.
• 25:21
  'cause four is because it's not, you don't have the same feelings for it.
• 25:27
  Like it's, it's sort of trying to extend a franchise by introducing other
• 25:34
  potentially interesting characters.
• 25:37
  Kearns: Like
• 25:37
  Jon: it's fine.
• 25:38
  It's a fine, yeah, it's a fine little piece of nostalgia, but
• 25:41
  it's not, it's not one and two.
• 25:44
  Ryan: I, I agree.
• 25:45
  I agree on that.
• 25:47
  Jon: All right.
• 25:49
  Next.
• 25:51
  Evil Dead two.
• 25:52
  Ryan: Stash.
• 25:54
  Stash,
• 25:59
  Kearns: Ash, I'm gonna have to cut every other movie.
• 26:00
  I can't cut Evil Dead two.
• 26:03
  could actually, hold on.
• 26:04
  'cause it's really like, kind of like, just like evil dead one
• 26:08
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 26:09
  Kearns: bit of a launchpad into Army of darkness.
• 26:11
  See, if you had to, if you were asking me to cut Army of Darkness,
• 26:14
  which is arguably not a horror movie, I would, I would have more trouble.
• 26:18
  'cause I just love that movie so much.
• 26:20
  Ryan: evil Dead's
• 26:21
  Kearns: John.
• 26:21
  Ryan: too is hilarious though.
• 26:23
  It's got some funny moments.
• 26:25
  The hand.
• 26:26
  Kearns: I'm gonna, I lied.
• 26:27
  I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna slash it.
• 26:31
  Jon: Alright.
• 26:32
  Kearns: Um, and I
• 26:33
  Jon: That.
• 26:33
  Kearns: that.
• 26:33
  I would rather.
• 26:35
  rather keep Beverly Hills Cop two than Evil Dead two.
• 26:39
  I I I stand by that,
• 26:42
  Ryan: You're waving your flag on that mountaintop right now.
• 26:44
  That snowy mountaintop.
• 26:47
  Jon: You might, you might feel pretty good about your decision and you may regret it.
• 26:51
  Let's see.
• 26:52
  Next.
• 26:54
  There it is.
• 26:55
  Kearns: I knew he was coming
• 26:56
  Ryan: Hold on.
• 26:56
  So I got one more.
• 26:58
  Keep
• 27:00
  Jon: You have one keep.
• 27:02
  You both only have one.
• 27:03
  Keep.
• 27:03
  Uh, one SL stash.
• 27:05
  Ryan: movies?
• 27:06
  Jon: One stash.
• 27:08
  Ryan: Three
• 27:09
  Jon: Yep.
• 27:09
  Kearns: more
• 27:10
  Jon: You each have one.
• 27:11
  Kearns: this.
• 27:12
  Jon: You including this.
• 27:13
  It's three.
• 27:13
  You each have one more stash and two slashes.
• 27:17
  Ryan: Dead too.
• 27:18
  You know what?
• 27:19
  I'll keep Godfather Partio.
• 27:21
  I'm okay with those three.
• 27:22
  am okay with those three.
• 27:24
  Oh, wait,
• 27:25
  Kearns: I am gonna,
• 27:25
  Ryan: on, hold on,
• 27:27
  Kearns: it insists upon itself.
• 27:29
  Ryan: hold on, hold on, on.
• 27:32
  You know what?
• 27:33
  Jon: Yeah.
• 27:34
  Ryan: No.
• 27:34
  You know what?
• 27:36
  Cut it.
• 27:37
  You know what, because I, I know where this is going.
• 27:39
  I know where this is going and if it's going away, I'm thinking this.
• 27:42
  There is another sequel.
• 27:43
  I'd rather keep, I'm sorry, godfather.
• 27:45
  Part two.
• 27:47
  Keep throw away the gun, keep the cannolis.
• 27:50
  That's all I'm gonna say.
• 27:52
  Cut it.
• 27:55
  Jon: All right,
• 27:57
  turns
• 27:58
  Kearns: I'm still slashing it.
• 27:59
  Yeah,
• 28:02
  I liked it.
• 28:04
  Ryan: I
• 28:04
  Kearns: It's a
• 28:05
  Jon: next.
• 28:05
  Kearns: Blah, blah, blah
• 28:08
  Jon: Ready?
• 28:09
  Ryan: Yeah,
• 28:09
  Kearns: ish.
• 28:10
  Jon: Here we go.
• 28:12
  Ryan: so I'll cut this.
• 28:14
  I'll cut this too.
• 28:17
  Kearns: Rohan will never ride to save you.
• 28:20
  I.
• 28:20
  Ryan: he, if number one's, the way I'm thinking it is, I'll be happy with my,
• 28:25
  Kearns: This is a trap for me, is what this is.
• 28:28
  He laid this trap, it's like in Tremors when it dug the hole ahead of them.
• 28:32
  is the hole
• 28:34
  Ryan: But.
• 28:35
  Kearns: I'm gonna
• 28:35
  Jon: Is it.
• 28:36
  Ryan: E.
• 28:36
  Kearns: I'm gonna fall in it.
• 28:37
  I'm gonna keep this, I'm gonna keep this Lord of the Rings.
• 28:40
  The two towers is stashed for Kerns.
• 28:42
  I'm out of Staes.
• 28:46
  Jon: All right.
• 28:47
  That means you're slashing the next one and Ryan is keeping the next one.
• 28:52
  And you, you just predicted it correctly.
• 28:55
  It is.
• 28:56
  Empire strikes back.
• 28:58
  Kearns: I'm okay with, with slashing the best Star Wars movie.
• 29:02
  Ryan: when I was gonna keep the Godfather, I was like, this man
• 29:05
  is gonna put Empire as number one, and Empire is my favorite Star Wars
• 29:09
  Jon: Absolutely,
• 29:09
  Ryan: time.
• 29:10
  Kearns: It's the, it's the best one.
• 29:12
  It just is.
• 29:12
  Jon: because,
• 29:13
  Ryan: the STH wind, the bad
• 29:15
  Jon: and
• 29:15
  Ryan: It just, uh,
• 29:18
  Jon: you know why I have to stash this one is because of how important
• 29:21
  it is to the whole trilogy.
• 29:23
  You can watch a new Hope and Return to the Jedi, but you're gonna
• 29:28
  miss a whole bunch from Empire.
• 29:31
  Ryan: Plus you miss out on the baddest line in like.
• 29:34
  The
• 29:34
  Jon: Wait,
• 29:35
  Ryan: in the whole movie?
• 29:36
  Kearns: Are there
• 29:36
  Jon: Who?
• 29:37
  Kearns: Falcons in this image?
• 29:40
  Am I on
• 29:41
  Jon: Are there?
• 29:42
  Kearns: Is that
• 29:43
  Ryan: No, there's,
• 29:43
  Kearns: three?
• 29:44
  Oh, there's
• 29:45
  Jon: No.
• 29:45
  Ryan: yeah.
• 29:46
  Kearns: flying away or something.
• 29:47
  Jon: Yeah, those are, those are the, um, ships they use on, um, haw.
• 29:52
  Kearns: got it.
• 29:55
  Jon: I'm not nerdy enough to know what they're called.
• 29:57
  Kearns: having Beverly Hills Cop two instead of this.
• 30:01
  No, I, I mean, so we're talking about the original trilogy, but it is nine
• 30:05
  movies, so I feel like this is also a lie.
• 30:08
  Ryan: Um, the original.
• 30:09
  Kearns: movie five.
• 30:10
  Jon: they're three separate trilogies.
• 30:12
  Kearns: That's, that's, that's movie five and a nine movie, a
• 30:14
  nine movie series that took, what, four decades to come out fully.
• 30:19
  So, I don't know.
• 30:20
  I don't know.
• 30:20
  I'm gonna, you're gonna hear from my lawyer
• 30:22
  Ryan: I,
• 30:22
  Kearns: on this one.
• 30:23
  Ryan: this one.
• 30:23
  All right.
• 30:24
  You, you chose Beverly Hills Cop two Over Empire Strikes Back.
• 30:27
  I'll remember that.
• 30:30
  Kearns: What did you choose?
• 30:31
  Ryan: Two.
• 30:31
  Dark Knight and Empire Strikes Back.
• 30:33
  I, I.
• 30:34
  Kearns: Yeah, it's fair.
• 30:35
  Ryan: part two for a reason.
• 30:37
  Kearns: You did bury, you did bury it.
• 30:38
  Ryan: of it.
• 30:39
  It's a great film though.
• 30:40
  Watch that too.
• 30:42
  Kearns: I screwed myself over with Beverly Hills Cop, but I
• 30:44
  mean, I just like that movie.
• 30:45
  It's nice.
• 30:47
  All right.
• 30:47
  Ryan: King.
• 30:48
  That Stephen King list.
• 30:49
  Really?
• 30:50
  That's the worst list.
• 30:50
  Don't worry.
• 30:51
  I still hold that title.
• 30:56
  Kearns: I don't even remember it to be honest with you, but Back to Bone Temple.
• 31:00
  Um,
• 31:00
  Jon: to Bone Temple.
• 31:02
  Kearns: with two reviews before we roll into the second half of the movie?
• 31:06
  Jon: I actually didn't prep any reviews for this one 'cause I
• 31:08
  don't want to, I don't wanna read other people's opinions on this yet
• 31:11
  'cause I'm still working on my own.
• 31:13
  Kearns: enough,
• 31:13
  Ryan: means we can do something original and do a Blue Star review today.
• 31:19
  Our own Blue Star review.
• 31:22
  Kearns: For
• 31:22
  Jon: Our own Blue Star, huh?
• 31:24
  Kearns: we would, we would consider this a Blue Star movie.
• 31:27
  Ryan: I mean, I'll, I'll throw it out there, but I mean, we gotta talk about
• 31:32
  it more before we get to that part.
• 31:33
  Kearns: Blue Star movie's.
• 31:34
  Like among your, your greatest of all time,
• 31:37
  Ryan: This,
• 31:37
  Kearns: kind of, kind of dis distinction.
• 31:40
  Ryan: for this one.
• 31:42
  Kearns: I mean, that's not what a Blue Star is.
• 31:43
  Ryan: All right.
• 31:43
  That's
• 31:45
  Kearns: We, what we talked about for Blue Star was that it is, it is
• 31:48
  to separate what a five star review has become, which is like everything
• 31:52
  gets five stars because people farm
• 31:54
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 31:54
  Kearns: But if you do a blue Star,
• 31:56
  Ryan: All right.
• 31:57
  Bronze.
• 31:58
  Kearns: was the idea
• 31:59
  Ryan: Bronze.
• 32:01
  Kearns: for a Bronze star.
• 32:02
  Ryan: Throw a bronze
• 32:02
  Jon: Bronze Star.
• 32:04
  Kearns: Uh, we can do the actual five star rating at the end.
• 32:06
  'cause this is not a blue star I don't think from any of us.
• 32:09
  But it's a great movie
• 32:11
  Jon: Yeah.
• 32:15
  So we get to, we get to the point where the Jimmys encounter Dr. Kelson,
• 32:22
  Kearns: and that is
• 32:23
  Jon: right?
• 32:23
  Or do we want, do you wanna spend a little time on the farmhouse and
• 32:27
  Kearns: We
• 32:27
  Jon: charity at the,
• 32:28
  Kearns: jump
• 32:28
  Jon: the farmhouse?
• 32:31
  Ryan: The gory scene.
• 32:32
  Jon: Uh, shirting.
• 32:35
  Shirting is definitely not pleasant.
• 32:38
  Kearns: when, we don't have to get too into describing what that is,
• 32:41
  but to deglove someone is, is known.
• 32:44
  And if you don't know what that is, look it up.
• 32:45
  And now shirting is that,
• 32:49
  Jon: But don't do an image search.
• 32:50
  Kearns: I mean, live your life, do what you gotta
• 32:52
  Jon: Just, just go.
• 32:55
  Okay.
• 32:55
  I mean, do what you gotta do.
• 32:57
  But no, you're probably gonna regret image search.
• 33:01
  Ryan: you just see it in the film.
• 33:03
  it's not as bad as expected, but the buildup to it and how that scene,
• 33:09
  Jon: Yes.
• 33:10
  Ryan: at the breakfast table, it's so, it's uncomfortable.
• 33:14
  Very uncomfortable.
• 33:16
  Jon: How, how extended it is, like the, it's not a lot of screen time,
• 33:22
  but when they start this process with these four people, it's daylight.
• 33:28
  And by the time they're onto the last guy, it's the middle of the night.
• 33:33
  Like they've spent the whole day on this with the one pregnant lady
• 33:39
  hiding in the, in the barn watching.
• 33:43
  Kearns: Yeah, she's in the lofts and that's also pretty brutal
• 33:46
  to watch your loved ones endure.
• 33:47
  Something like that
• 33:48
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 33:49
  Mm-hmm.
• 33:50
  Kearns: you
• 33:50
  Jon: And then
• 33:50
  Kearns: dark, the movie, in a darker direction than you might've
• 33:53
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 33:54
  Mm-hmm.
• 33:56
  And spike outside vomiting and crying and bonding with one of the female Jimmys.
• 34:02
  Kearns: Which a, it's never really flushed out why she's
• 34:06
  like taking him under her wing.
• 34:09
  'cause she's
• 34:10
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 34:10
  Kearns: indoctrinated.
• 34:11
  She's the one who sees the doctor Ian and sees, uh, and
• 34:15
  assumes he's Mr. Nick brings that
• 34:18
  Jon: Yes,
• 34:19
  Kearns: Jimmy.
• 34:19
  Ryan: Oh
• 34:20
  Jon: but she's also the one who is the most skeptical of Jimmy.
• 34:25
  Kearns: Yes.
• 34:26
  Ryan: And that skepticism helps her kind of to see the true, I
• 34:30
  guess, whatever his lies are.
• 34:32
  'cause she believes
• 34:34
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 34:34
  Ryan: old, you know, old nick thing and all that, but she doesn't believe him.
• 34:39
  And I feel like she takes spike under her wing she feels sorry.
• 34:43
  She realizes like this isn't his life, he's, he's
• 34:47
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 34:47
  Ryan: He's screwed.
• 34:49
  So what's the next thing?
• 34:50
  Just help him out as much as she can
• 34:55
  in my
• 34:55
  Kearns: Uh, when we
• 34:58
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 34:59
  Kearns: in the plot, we're, we're left with like, whether will Spike become like
• 35:03
  them, which we always assumed he wouldn't.
• 35:04
  I don't think any of us thought he was gonna become evil or anything.
• 35:07
  Um, where are they going?
• 35:09
  Is Jimmy gonna get his come up in what's happening with Samson and Ray fines
• 35:13
  and this is where that convergence incident happens where John says, Jimmy
• 35:17
  Stumbles or Jimmy actually goes to speak with the doctor and he says he
• 35:22
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 35:22
  Kearns: and then he tells him, Hey, I need you to do something for me.
• 35:26
  I.
• 35:28
  Jon: I need you to be Satan and my father for performatively for my fingers.
• 35:35
  So they don't, whatever he think he's worried that they're gonna do.
• 35:41
  I think it's just, it's almo, like it's almost just straight performative.
• 35:45
  'cause you could go down there and and say, oh, nope, that's not him.
• 35:50
  And just take out Dr.
• 35:51
  Kelson.
• 35:52
  Jimmy, this is a big mistake by Jimmy.
• 35:54
  Really?
• 35:55
  Kearns: He wants, he wants exactly what he gets
• 35:59
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 35:59
  Kearns: Ian too, which is an amazing experience for them.
• 36:04
  But at the same time he does, it goes left on him real quick.
• 36:09
  And that happens because well actually put a pin in that till after you guys describe
• 36:15
  what the best part of the movie is really.
• 36:18
  Ryan: quick.
• 36:18
  Jimmy's kind of cornered at that point.
• 36:20
  'cause I feel like at the barn and stuff, there's like a little scurry,
• 36:25
  there's like a little incident between one of the survivors.
• 36:28
  There's
• 36:29
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 36:30
  Ryan: um,
• 36:31
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 36:31
  Ryan: and there's a fight and a couple of 'em die.
• 36:33
  So a lot of them don't believe that Jimmy is this power that he
• 36:37
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 36:38
  Ryan: like
• 36:38
  Jon: Yeah.
• 36:39
  Ryan: to the table.
• 36:40
  It's not who they see him as anymore.
• 36:42
  So he, he's kind of trapped in cornered to do this.
• 36:45
  He's kind of forced to do this in his own way.
• 36:47
  Jon: I mean, sort of, but he sort of traps himself because after, after
• 36:54
  things in the barn, go a little bit south and a couple Jimmys die, um,
• 37:00
  spike lets the pregnant lady escape.
• 37:04
  I mean, literally lets, her escape, begs her to take him with him and gets whacked.
• 37:10
  Pretty good for it.
• 37:11
  But, so Jimmy is going to punish spike in some way, shape, or form
• 37:18
  for that escape, and it's the Jimmy that he has bonded with that sort of
• 37:23
  steps up and says, wait, old Nick, we can go see him and let him decide.
• 37:29
  Kearns: and distracts from that whole situation.
• 37:31
  'cause Spike.
• 37:32
  Yeah, spike is about
• 37:33
  Jon: Yeah.
• 37:34
  Kearns: at
• 37:34
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 37:34
  Kearns: proving to be completely useless to Jimmy.
• 37:38
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 37:40
  Kearns: So at that
• 37:41
  Jon: Very much.
• 37:42
  Kearns: the movie, we sort of get Jimmy stuck in this sort of catch 22 situation.
• 37:47
  He goes, speaks with, with the doctor.
• 37:49
  The doctor agrees because he sees the writing on the wall.
• 37:53
  But at that point he also knows that Samson is out there.
• 37:57
  Um, and he has administered a cure to him already.
• 38:01
  And this is my least favorite part of the movie.
• 38:03
  We go through this whole arc with s Samson and how he's becoming sort of domesticated
• 38:08
  and whatnot by morphine, then Ian's like, ah, you know what, now's the time.
• 38:13
  I've gotta give him the, the antidote.
• 38:15
  And he opens up his journal, so has been working on it for a while, but
• 38:18
  then he's just like, oh, we'll try this.
• 38:19
  He puts it together and he's cured this thing that nobody's
• 38:23
  found the cure for in 28 years.
• 38:28
  Jon: Scared or stabilized
• 38:31
  Kearns: Interesting.
• 38:32
  Well, I think they're one and the same.
• 38:34
  'cause Samson doesn't
• 38:34
  Jon: because he,
• 38:36
  Kearns: Shrink down or anything.
• 38:38
  Jon: no, and he does, he doesn't necessarily become less violent.
• 38:42
  Kearns: He has the capability of it.
• 38:44
  Ryan: it.
• 38:45
  Jon: yes, he, he, he's more introspective after the cure.
• 38:49
  He seems more aware and more human again.
• 38:53
  Ryan: Like in the, oh, if we're getting to it.
• 38:56
  When he's exploring after, you know, he takes his shrooms pills, whatever
• 39:00
  we're gonna call it, uh, the concoction.
• 39:02
  He's wandering, wandering through the forest and he goes into this train
• 39:05
  car, uh, the train car that's from the first film and it makes a reappearance.
• 39:10
  And he sits down, he's got a memory he's encounters, he's
• 39:14
  infected and he's like, oh, I,
• 39:16
  Kearns: He remembers when he was turned kind of,
• 39:18
  Ryan: And like he fights them, it's not like it's a different fight when
• 39:25
  he's infected from the last film this film where it's got more of a control.
• 39:30
  'cause he knows what he's doing, but the movement is more human and more,
• 39:35
  I have strength and I have this power while in the last one it's more chaos.
• 39:42
  Where he is, just ripping people left and right going for it.
• 39:45
  While this is a little more controlled chaos 'cause he's throwing 'em all over.
• 39:50
  Throwing 'em outta windows.
• 39:51
  It's like a royal rumble.
• 39:54
  Kearns: Yeah, it's cool and you're getting that action packed, uh, dismembering
• 39:57
  of people you don't care about.
• 39:59
  It's like pretty guilt free.
• 40:01
  It's good stuff.
• 40:02
  Ryan: covered this time, no dong situation.
• 40:06
  Kearns: Yeah, we
• 40:07
  Jon: At that point.
• 40:08
  Kearns: right?
• 40:09
  Jon: that point, I mean, I mean you get, you get quite a, you still
• 40:12
  get quite a bit of do Samson Dong and a bit of Ray Fines Dong too.
• 40:18
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 40:19
  Jon: Yeah.
• 40:19
  Kearns: stage
• 40:20
  Jon: Ralph Finn.
• 40:21
  Kearns: of thing.
• 40:24
  Phineas Finger.
• 40:26
  But, uh, yeah, so to that, to that point in the movie, we, we
• 40:31
  shoot over and now we can talk about the best scene in the movie.
• 40:36
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 40:37
  Kearns: Right.
• 40:37
  Jon: Night Falls, Jimmy's, Jimmy's bringing his fingers and Kelson has
• 40:42
  prepared, prepared a performance to sell 'em and it is incredible.
• 40:47
  I.
• 40:47
  So Kelsons all set up.
• 40:49
  He's got fire ringing the bone temple.
• 40:52
  He's brought his record player up.
• 40:55
  You don't see him for a minute, but you hear that iconic intro of number of the
• 41:00
  beast that Vincent Price sound alike.
• 41:02
  Let him who at understanding wrecked the number of the beast.
• 41:07
  And there is, Ray finds clearly having studied Bruce Dickinson live
• 41:13
  performances because he is, he is doing Bruce Dickinson cosplay Lar,
• 41:19
  at least in Performatively, you know, he's, and he's got the, the black eye
• 41:24
  paint and you know, a leather and like he's, he is the devil in that moment.
• 41:32
  Ryan: A
• 41:33
  Jon: He's what?
• 41:34
  He's what?
• 41:35
  He's what?
• 41:35
  Somebody who, I mean most of the Jimmys probably were born during
• 41:42
  these 28 years, but he's exactly what somebody inexperienced
• 41:50
  would believe the devil to be.
• 41:52
  Kearns: Yeah, a hundred percent.
• 41:54
  The makeup is on point.
• 41:55
  Uh, I like what he did with the lanterns too, around the temples, particularly the
• 41:59
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 42:00
  Kearns: was pretty sick as well.
• 42:01
  I like those little aesthetic things.
• 42:03
  That scene was awesome and it was so, it was very fan servicey
• 42:07
  for sure, but it, it lands
• 42:09
  Jon: Mm.
• 42:09
  Kearns: hard.
• 42:10
  It's perfect.
• 42:11
  Ryan: singing the song in the
• 42:12
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 42:12
  Ryan: was like so happy that they did that.
• 42:14
  And I agree with Solomon, like if you see Ironman in life,
• 42:18
  Bruce Dickinson is awesome.
• 42:20
  He's a madman.
• 42:21
  And Ralph, Ralph Fines does a great job.
• 42:27
  Jon: Close.
• 42:28
  Ryan: trying, at least I tried.
• 42:30
  He, he does a great job copying Bruce's movements.
• 42:34
  And again, just the echo and the beginning, it's just, it hits
• 42:39
  and it works because of the idea.
• 42:41
  And yeah, it's a fan service, but it's not a bad fan service.
• 42:45
  It's a good fan service.
• 42:49
  Jon: And he, you know, his performance in the, in these moments pulls the fingers
• 42:56
  in, like, Jimmy, Jimmy in that moment knows that this is all performance,
• 43:01
  but the fingers, except for Spike, who knows exactly what's going on here.
• 43:07
  The fingers are just pulled in, like, holy crap, we are actually meeting Satan
• 43:13
  Kearns: It's wild and it's worked out perfectly until Ian sees Spike and he
• 43:20
  Jon: and, yep.
• 43:20
  Kearns: what's going on there.
• 43:21
  'cause he knows
• 43:22
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 43:23
  Kearns: and he
• 43:24
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 43:24
  Kearns: pulls a little switch Aki, a little Uno reverse on Jimmy, which is
• 43:30
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 43:30
  Kearns: was a great portion of the plot.
• 43:31
  And Jimmy, Jimmy even calls it out and just, he's like, oh, you, you're
• 43:36
  turning the tables on me, huh?
• 43:38
  And
• 43:38
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 43:39
  Kearns: calls the fingers to go after Jimmy.
• 43:42
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 43:44
  And.
• 43:45
  Yeah, and they, they do, I mean, the fingers really, you know, recognize, uh,
• 43:53
  we're going with Satan and not this guy.
• 43:56
  Kearns: Which is hilarious.
• 43:57
  And then, uh, Jimmy does a, a quick little
• 44:00
  Ryan: Yep.
• 44:01
  Kearns: to say, oh, well, no, I was just, it's not
• 44:03
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 44:04
  Kearns: me show you.
• 44:04
  I'll prove it to you.
• 44:05
  And he gives the, gives him the shiv.
• 44:08
  And that's the end of Ian.
• 44:10
  Well, not the immediate end, but the beginning of the end
• 44:12
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 44:13
  Kearns: But it still
• 44:14
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 44:14
  Kearns: because
• 44:17
  Jon: It's also the end for old Jimmy Christ who winds
• 44:22
  up, uh, inverted, crucified,
• 44:27
  Kearns: 16.
• 44:28
  Jon: and,
• 44:29
  Ryan: by Kay.
• 44:31
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 44:31
  Ryan: she, uh, goes, Hey, not haywire, but she kills the other Jimmys,
• 44:35
  and then she does that favor for
• 44:37
  Jon: yeah, I mean, because.
• 44:42
  Even, even sort of in the recognition that, uh, maybe that's not Satan, it's
• 44:48
  still close enough for her, and it's still, I think, the betrayal of following
• 44:52
  Jimmy for however long she's been there
• 44:56
  Ryan: True.
• 44:56
  Kearns: Yeah, she doesn't
• 44:57
  Jon: and she gets him.
• 44:58
  Kearns: And you can tell
• 44:59
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 45:00
  Kearns: that's kind of the direction that she's heading in for a while.
• 45:02
  But she just waited for her
• 45:03
  Jon: Yeah.
• 45:04
  Kearns: and here it is.
• 45:06
  Jon: Yep.
• 45:06
  Kearns: And Spike gets his escape and we, we actually get what we wanted
• 45:10
  too, which was not two Jimmy movies.
• 45:13
  With him being, being the big bad, I kind of hope that the third movie from this
• 45:18
  launchpad pushes toward the infected mor and get, giving us, you know, getting
• 45:23
  back to the roots of the franchise.
• 45:25
  Ryan: I mean
• 45:26
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 45:27
  Ryan: we get Samson, um, who comes back.
• 45:30
  You know, he brings Dr. Kelson to his resting place so we can say,
• 45:34
  and he's going on his own adventure.
• 45:36
  Uh, Jimmy gets destroyed by some infected, which is an awesome jump
• 45:42
  scare, um, right in your face.
• 45:45
  Jon: I believe, I believe that was, was Samson.
• 45:48
  That's what I, I choose to believe that that end is Samson.
• 45:52
  Ryan: I.
• 45:53
  Jon: That he, he moves Kelson and then comes back to take care of Jimmy.
• 45:58
  Ryan: it, he just walks away, it shows that Samson's now
• 46:02
  becoming more human again.
• 46:04
  He's like that blend while it being another infected kind of gives it more
• 46:09
  of a, like Jimmy just becoming that random, which is that whole world.
• 46:13
  It's
• 46:14
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 46:14
  Ryan: time of
• 46:15
  Jon: But
• 46:15
  Ryan: living.
• 46:17
  Jon: what, what's a more human impulse than revenge?
• 46:21
  Ryan: But Samson, I feel is such a subtle giant because Dr. Kelson was such a
• 46:25
  nice man, even though he was listening to Iron Maiden, instead of some do
• 46:30
  Jon: That's.
• 46:31
  Ryan: in the.
• 46:31
  Jon: But that, but that's, that's his, that's his man.
• 46:34
  That, and that, that sort of goes back to what I was talking about before,
• 46:37
  the mo, the times of them bonding.
• 46:40
  Like even though Samson can't talk for a good chunk of that, Samson does
• 46:46
  seem to be getting something besides just morphine high sitting with Dr.
• 46:52
  Kelson.
• 46:53
  'cause like he's humanizing before the, before he gets the cure.
• 46:59
  Ryan: True,
• 47:00
  Kearns: Which is kind of proven by the choice for him to not tear him
• 47:03
  apart when he's laying next to him
• 47:06
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 47:07
  Kearns: and the morphine wears off.
• 47:08
  Now you can make the argument that there was still some
• 47:10
  effect on him as he wandered
• 47:12
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 47:12
  Kearns: yada, yada.
• 47:13
  But we see restraint building in him.
• 47:15
  I agree, John.
• 47:17
  That's true.
• 47:18
  Ryan: risky.
• 47:19
  Kearns: Um,
• 47:20
  Ryan: risky.
• 47:20
  Kearns: that's, as we segue to the, the actual conclusion, we get a
• 47:25
  scene with, with an old favorite.
• 47:29
  Everybody, we all thought he was an infected in the trailer.
• 47:32
  We got a little misdirection there,
• 47:33
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 47:35
  It's Robert Carlisle
• 47:36
  Kearns: Robert Carlisle.
• 47:38
  And if
• 47:38
  Jon: back again.
• 47:39
  Kearns: his character name, who plays Robert Carlisle.
• 47:43
  Jon: Robert Carlisle.
• 47:44
  Kearns: Robert Carlisle
• 47:46
  Jon: I can't remember the character name.
• 47:47
  Kearns: um, Carlisle.
• 47:50
  Then, uh, Killian Murphy
• 47:52
  Jon: Killian Murphy.
• 47:53
  I'm sorry.
• 47:53
  I, why did I have Robert Carlisle
• 47:54
  Ryan: was like
• 47:55
  Kearns: I was
• 47:55
  Jon: in my brain?
• 47:56
  Killian Murphy.
• 47:57
  Kearns: what's his name in the movie, in the first movie too.
• 47:59
  'cause I was like, Robert Carlisle doesn't
• 48:01
  Jon: I still don't reme, I still don't remember.
• 48:04
  No, I got my, I got one and two confused in my head, and I have
• 48:08
  for like two or three days now.
• 48:09
  I've been saying that to myself.
• 48:11
  Kearns: John, we can't, you're
• 48:12
  Jon: Yeah.
• 48:13
  Kearns: with the, with the
• 48:14
  Jon: Yeah.
• 48:15
  Kearns: you
• 48:15
  Jon: No, I. I do that though.
• 48:18
  I, I get names messed up in my head sometimes.
• 48:21
  Ryan: We're all human.
• 48:22
  We're all.
• 48:23
  Kearns: So we see him with his daughter who looks a lot like
• 48:25
  the female lead in 28 days later.
• 48:29
  And, uh, we're, and we don't see her, we don't know if she's outta
• 48:33
  the picture, but I have a feeling she might be outta the picture.
• 48:35
  Jon: I mean, she seems out of the picture.
• 48:37
  Kearns: mom, or we got daughter and dad and he's teaching her
• 48:40
  history, um, teaching her something.
• 48:43
  And then we see Spike and Kay running away from an effectively
• 48:47
  evading a pack and they grab the rifle and they go down to help.
• 48:51
  And
• 48:52
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 48:52
  Kearns: where we're gonna start the next movie.
• 48:54
  So, I
• 48:55
  Jon: Yep.
• 48:56
  Kearns: it was good.
• 48:57
  It was good for a lot of reasons, um, but
• 48:59
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 49:01
  Yep.
• 49:02
  You, I think Kerns, you brought up the point we really only needed one
• 49:08
  movie where Jimmy is the villain.
• 49:11
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 49:12
  Jon: It's nice, he's a good character, but he's not really a deep enough character
• 49:16
  to carry multiple movies as a villain.
• 49:19
  Kearns: Right?
• 49:20
  Jon: You, you establish he's violent, that he, you know, is a satanist, that
• 49:25
  he is, you know, controlling cult leader, Jim Jonesy, but you know that that's
• 49:32
  not a character that needs to go on.
• 49:34
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 49:35
  And they find a way to vanquish him and get back to the
• 49:38
  main issue at hand, which is
• 49:40
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 49:41
  Kearns: that we're in a post-apocalyptic wasteland with infected running
• 49:44
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 49:45
  Kearns: occurring people to this day,
• 49:47
  Jon: Yep.
• 49:47
  Kearns: days
• 49:48
  Jon: Yep.
• 49:48
  And,
• 49:48
  Kearns: or 28 years later.
• 49:49
  I mean,
• 49:50
  Jon: and you get, you, you'll have you set up some interesting dynamics
• 49:55
  between, uh, Killian Murphy's character is Jim and his daughter,
• 50:01
  and Jimmy and Spike, you know, in.
• 50:07
  The d Jim's daughter is being raised like, kind of like a normal kid.
• 50:12
  She's getting real schoolwork.
• 50:13
  She's like, you know, it is kind of a cute little moment where he
• 50:18
  is like, you know, be prepared.
• 50:21
  This could be on the test tomorrow.
• 50:24
  Kearns: Giving
• 50:24
  Jon: And she calls him out.
• 50:25
  Well, are, aren't you making the test?
• 50:27
  You know, like giving her history lessons and you know, not survival where you
• 50:33
  know you're gonna get spike next to her roughly the same age, and you're
• 50:37
  gonna get a kid who's just raised in the infected culture and life and survival.
• 50:46
  Kearns: It's a good point out too.
• 50:48
  I'm interested to see where they go with it and how the kids
• 50:50
  play into it, and if spike's
• 50:52
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 50:53
  Kearns: becomes a bigger part of the third movie.
• 50:55
  We kind of talked about that a little bit amongst ourselves, but all in
• 50:59
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 50:59
  Kearns: it's time for us to give it a rating.
• 51:01
  What do you guys think?
• 51:03
  Ryan: Out of five.
• 51:06
  Out of five, I would say this one's four and a half out of five.
• 51:12
  Give it a four
• 51:12
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 51:13
  Jon: Yeah, I like four and a half for this one.
• 51:15
  I could,
• 51:16
  Ryan: Pacing, character
• 51:17
  Jon: it, I like.
• 51:18
  Ryan: just actors, uh, music, just story.
• 51:23
  And it's a sequel.
• 51:24
  It's right in the middle of a trilogy.
• 51:25
  And sometimes they're hits and sometimes they're misses.
• 51:28
  But this was a hit.
• 51:29
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 51:30
  Ryan: I didn't mean to step on you, John.
• 51:33
  Jon: No, no, I agree.
• 51:34
  This is about a 4.5 and it elevates the first 28 years later too, because that
• 51:40
  was, that was always my question about how it was gonna feel about, the first one was
• 51:46
  where they were going with the second one with these characters in this storyline,
• 51:50
  and I loved what they did with it.
• 51:52
  Kearns: they, they nailed it.
• 51:53
  It's the, the long con I love to get wrapped up in when they, they have
• 51:59
  a vision throughout the whole thing.
• 52:01
  I agree.
• 52:02
  The, um, the
• 52:03
  Jon: And
• 52:04
  Kearns: name is,
• 52:05
  Ryan: Di
• 52:05
  Kearns: say her name.
• 52:06
  Jon: Nia DeCosta,
• 52:07
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 52:07
  Say
• 52:08
  Jon: and she's really, she's really figured out how to do
• 52:11
  this without being over the top.
• 52:14
  Like we, one of the things we talked in Candyman was like the vi how much
• 52:20
  of the violence and the, the, the deaths are implied and offscreen.
• 52:25
  And, and she kind of does the same thing with this one.
• 52:27
  You get, you know, you get the shirt scene in like more background than
• 52:34
  you know, right in your face gore.
• 52:37
  And that, that's about as gory as this movie really gets.
• 52:40
  Kearns: don't lean on it so much.
• 52:42
  Like that garbage movie.
• 52:43
  Uh, bring her back.
• 52:44
  Yeah.
• 52:46
  they, they ruin the film by just making it all about that stuff.
• 52:49
  Ryan: Oh,
• 52:50
  Kearns: This is, this is art, this is well done.
• 52:52
  Storytelling as opposed to that pile of steaming garbage that, that movie
• 52:57
  Ryan: her back is
• 52:58
  Kearns: that
• 52:58
  Ryan: uh, 4.75, but I digress.
• 53:01
  Um, with.
• 53:02
  Kearns: on Ryan's scale.
• 53:04
  Ryan: Knife biting
• 53:05
  Kearns: I think this is a four by the way.
• 53:07
  I won't give it a 4.5 'cause that's like a roundup kind of thing.
• 53:10
  I'm gonna give this a four.
• 53:12
  There's a couple of things that didn't land well for me.
• 53:14
  I think it fits solidly in the four area.
• 53:16
  I'd like for it to be better, um, or the third movie to be better.
• 53:21
  But I think a four for a second movie in a trilogy is a damn good thing.
• 53:26
  You don't want it to be the best in the trilogy like we were talking
• 53:29
  about earlier with the Dark Knight.
• 53:31
  It's, it's, movie is arguably better than the Dark Night rises.
• 53:35
  You don't want the to end, the last movie to be the best in the trilogy.
• 53:40
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 53:41
  It doesn't work like that
• 53:43
  Jon: I don't necessarily, I don't always feel that way.
• 53:46
  I, I feel like I want the second one to fill in the hole between the, the next.
• 53:54
  The other two, like to be, here's some more exposition, here's some
• 53:59
  more of this kind of like Empire does to me, empire is about as good a,
• 54:04
  a middle trilogy movie as anything.
• 54:07
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 54:07
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 54:08
  It's tricky because with nine, or with uh, three movies, you're
• 54:11
  trying to do one large story arc and
• 54:14
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 54:15
  Kearns: impactful part's, usually the climax, which happens at the end, and
• 54:19
  then you've, that's the third movie.
• 54:20
  So like,
• 54:21
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 54:22
  Kearns: get contaminated with it.
• 54:23
  But I see what you're saying too.
• 54:28
  Jon: Yeah.
• 54:28
  I, because I, I, a good part two sets you up for the, the climax in the third one.
• 54:35
  Ryan: Agreed.
• 54:35
  And I, like I was saying, it could either work or it can, it can fail.
• 54:40
  And that.
• 54:41
  of like leads to our top five today, at least on my end.
• 54:45
  And that's top five trilogies.
• 54:49
  And
• 54:50
  Kearns: Oh,
• 54:51
  Ryan: I went with my top five trilogy.
• 54:53
  So like if, if your whistle's wet after seeing, you know, 28 years later and uh,
• 54:58
  28 years later, you know, the Bone Temple?
• 55:01
  Kearns: you should see a doctor.
• 55:02
  Ryan: you should see a doctor, but you should, you know, if you're waiting
• 55:04
  for the end of that trilogy, you should take a look at these trilogies.
• 55:08
  And I'm gonna start off with the bang and number five.
• 55:11
  the Alien Trilogy and yeah, little Controversy.
• 55:15
  We got Alien, you got Aliens, and then you got Alien three.
• 55:20
  Alien three the studio involvement could have been a great film.
• 55:25
  And I know David Fincher, he disowns it, but his original like.
• 55:30
  His view of it have taken it somewhere, and at least we get the ending.
• 55:34
  Ripley dies.
• 55:35
  Spoiler Ripley dies.
• 55:37
  She gets thrown in the lava.
• 55:38
  She's got an alien pregnant in her.
• 55:40
  But the setup between the first alien aliens into Alien three, it works.
• 55:47
  It works.
• 55:47
  Even though it
• 55:49
  Jon: I'm gonna put an alien in her.
• 55:50
  Kearns: say like the way you said that was, so, I don't know.
• 55:56
  Ryan: She, well, she
• 55:58
  Kearns: Time to roll into number four, Ryan.
• 56:01
  Ryan: Number four, this is gonna be controversy because it's the
• 56:04
  Hannibal Trilogy, and I'm not going with, I'm not going with Red Dragon.
• 56:08
  We're going with the original trilogy.
• 56:10
  We're going with Manhunter, silence of the Lambs, and then Hannibal.
• 56:15
  Yeah, because if you, I mean, you can watch Red Dragon, but you watch the
• 56:19
  original, you get the vibe they're going with, they continued that with
• 56:23
  Silence The Lambs, and then they go directly more into horror with Hannibal.
• 56:27
  But again, the setup, whether you switch or do the switch rule with Red
• 56:30
  Dragon or Manhunter, it still works out.
• 56:32
  And it's a decent horror drama I know it's on that thin line of horror
• 56:39
  and drama, but it's a thin, thin line, which leads to number three,
• 56:44
  and that's the Evil Dead trilogy.
• 56:46
  Um, this trilogy is amazing from going from horror to comedy in a flash.
• 56:51
  Even though the third film is 50 50 on whether it be considered horror or
• 56:57
  fantasy action, adventure, it still hits the nerve and it's wham bam.
• 57:02
  Thank you, ma'am.
• 57:03
  Uh, continuing the story two.
• 57:05
  Number two, which is recent.
• 57:07
  Uh, Ty West's ex Trilogy.
• 57:09
  Uh.
• 57:10
  Certain way you can watch it is, you can watch it through X Pearl.
• 57:14
  Maxine.
• 57:15
  I recommend watching it as starting with Pearl, uh, you know, showing who
• 57:20
  the villain is to x kind of showing where the villain has ended up, as
• 57:25
  well as this new generation of actors and actresses kind of crossing through
• 57:29
  this farm to Maxine, which, you know, ends the trilogy brilliantly.
• 57:36
  And it's, again, it's another trilogy that's all over considered
• 57:38
  horror, but there's a lot of thriller in it, uh, drama too,
• 57:43
  Jon: And it's also a trilogy that three movies are not even
• 57:49
  remotely the same kind of movie.
• 57:51
  Ryan: too.
• 57:52
  'cause it's like slasher psychological.
• 57:54
  Um, I would say the third one's more noir.
• 57:58
  Style.
• 57:59
  Noir.
• 58:01
  Jon: Yeah.
• 58:01
  The third one's like noir, um, psychological serial killer,
• 58:06
  thrillery than horror even.
• 58:09
  Ryan: Yeah, I could.
• 58:10
  Yeah.
• 58:10
  I mean, I, I just seen it recently.
• 58:12
  I did, I, I love x the first one, of course, but Maxine is Mac.
• 58:18
  Maxine hit the nerve.
• 58:19
  But number
• 58:21
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 58:21
  Ryan: you're, you're gonna be, you're gonna be, this is for John.
• 58:25
  You know, I don't share a lot of love.
• 58:26
  And that's the dead trilogy.
• 58:28
  That's night, that's dawn, that's day It's the greatest trilogy because it's
• 58:32
  like, it's like a rollercoaster ride.
• 58:35
  You, you know, you start off at the bottom with night, you start going to
• 58:38
  the top, kind of start going through the craziness of the curves with dawn,
• 58:42
  and then day kind of gets you settled
• 58:44
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 58:45
  Ryan: And it's just like, you're snowed in.
• 58:50
  snowed in today.
• 58:51
  You're snowed in like another day.
• 58:53
  I mean, this is coming out a week later, so you might not be snowed in anymore,
• 58:56
  but if you have the time, check out these trilogies, especially the dead trilogy.
• 58:59
  Now, John, I gotta hear, what, what was your top five?
• 59:02
  Because I did have a tough time coming up with the top five for this.
• 59:05
  So I wanna see which way you went with it.
• 59:09
  Jon: I had a couple ways I was gonna go, but I settled on my
• 59:12
  most anticipated horror movies of 2026 because this was right.
• 59:17
  This was right at the top.
• 59:19
  But now that, now that we've seen it, and I realized as I was putting this list
• 59:24
  together, there is a. Definite theme.
• 59:28
  We'll see how many movies it takes for you guys to figure that one out.
• 59:31
  Um, so my number five comes out on February 20th.
• 59:35
  It's called, this is not a Test, and it, uh, what I have of a plot is five students
• 59:43
  are forced to take shelter in their high school during a zombie outbreak.
• 59:47
  I watched the trailer before we started recording.
• 59:50
  It looks like it's gonna hit pretty good.
• 59:53
  And if not it, you know, it's still zombie mayhem and a lot of fun.
• 59:58
  Um, my number four, we're gonna go to a director who's made a couple
• 1:00:03
  of appearances on here, getting his first, his hands on his first
• 1:00:07
  intellectual property, and that's Zach Craiger getting a resident evil movie.
• 1:00:13
  Ryan: doing resident evil, the battery.
• 1:00:15
  The
• 1:00:16
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:16
  Kearns: This one might actually bring that franchise back too.
• 1:00:20
  Jon: I mean, and, and really.
• 1:00:22
  That's the thing.
• 1:00:24
  I have so badly for so many years, wanted a good resonant, evil movie
• 1:00:31
  that you know, is true enough to the game, but not stuck in the game
• 1:00:38
  and not crap, and not, you know, really action more than it is horror.
• 1:00:44
  And I think I have some hope for what Zach Krieger can do with this franchise.
• 1:00:49
  And that is currently scheduled to come out September 18th.
• 1:00:52
  Ryan: because, uh, just to go into a side note with the Silent Hill film, new one
• 1:00:57
  did not hit as expected because they don't get the like the clasp of that story.
• 1:01:05
  hopefully Zach Craiger will bring the clasp like, you know, the grasp.
• 1:01:10
  There we go.
• 1:01:11
  They don't get the grasp of the story.
• 1:01:13
  Jon: There.
• 1:01:13
  Kearns: it is.
• 1:01:14
  All right.
• 1:01:14
  Ryan: that
• 1:01:15
  Kearns: Um.
• 1:01:16
  Anybody
• 1:01:16
  Jon: it is.
• 1:01:17
  Kearns: familiar with Brian Keen and his work and his bookstore, vortex,
• 1:01:21
  his, um, newsletter came out today and he was talking about, he went to see
• 1:01:25
  it 'cause it's his, uh, it might have been his daughter's favorite franchise.
• 1:01:30
  he did go out to see Silent Hill and yeah.
• 1:01:36
  But he also made mention, more importantly than his opinion on
• 1:01:39
  it, he made mention of, um, the franchise's marketing was abhorrent.
• 1:01:43
  He didn't even know there was a movie out and we didn't either.
• 1:01:47
  Ryan: No.
• 1:01:48
  Jon: Oh, I've seen nothing.
• 1:01:49
  I, I mean, I knew it was coming out because I watch calendars
• 1:01:52
  and stuff for, for horror movies.
• 1:01:54
  I knew it was coming, but I've seen nothing.
• 1:01:58
  I don't think I saw a trailer.
• 1:01:59
  I don't think I saw an ad. I don't think anything.
• 1:02:02
  Kearns: There's another one out too.
• 1:02:04
  Uh, bone Temple could have been better advertised as well, by the way.
• 1:02:07
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:02:08
  Kearns: another horror movie in theaters right now as well.
• 1:02:10
  I forget the name of it, but it's also not, well, not my fault, I guess,
• 1:02:14
  but it's also not being advertised.
• 1:02:17
  Jon: Is it Send help.
• 1:02:18
  Kearns: Maybe.
• 1:02:20
  Maybe.
• 1:02:21
  Jon: Because that I, I've, I've seen a, if it sent help, I've seen a bit for that
• 1:02:25
  and I've seen, like they're hyping it mostly as the Sam Raey return to horror.
• 1:02:33
  Kearns: Gotcha.
• 1:02:33
  Gotcha.
• 1:02:34
  Ryan: There's a little rumbling on it because it's rated R and it's his
• 1:02:37
  first R rating in a long while too.
• 1:02:41
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:02:42
  Which ties back into my number three, which is coming out July 24th.
• 1:02:48
  And while it's not Sam Raey, it is Evil Dead Burn.
• 1:02:53
  Kearns: Now I, I'm interested to see if this one is like the first one.
• 1:02:58
  Um, they kind of, they went hard in the paint with the, with the
• 1:03:02
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:03
  Kearns: Dead movie and it,
• 1:03:04
  Jon: Yes.
• 1:03:04
  E.
• 1:03:05
  Kearns: reception obviously and stuff, but I thought it was good
• 1:03:08
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:08
  Kearns: what they
• 1:03:08
  Jon: There are not a lot of details available at the moment.
• 1:03:12
  Um, it's a standalone, not a sequel to Evil Dead Rise.
• 1:03:17
  It's a whole new story.
• 1:03:19
  Kearns: which
• 1:03:19
  Jon: I've seen the cast, I don't mm-hmm.
• 1:03:23
  I what more do you have to do?
• 1:03:25
  Like, evil Dead rise ends, how it should end.
• 1:03:29
  It didn't, doesn't need more.
• 1:03:30
  So, like, I curious to see what they do with that.
• 1:03:34
  Uh, I'll always go see an Evil Dead movie, so I'll be there
• 1:03:40
  and hopefully it's, it lives up.
• 1:03:43
  Um, my number two is actually based on a book by, uh, David Kepp, number two, two,
• 1:03:53
  a book by David Kepp called Cold Storage.
• 1:03:58
  Uh, this comes out
• 1:03:59
  Kearns: one looks
• 1:04:00
  Jon: February 13th.
• 1:04:01
  Kearns: This is the
• 1:04:02
  Jon: February 13th.
• 1:04:03
  Kearns: right?
• 1:04:05
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:04:06
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:04:06
  Uh, so it can be your Valentine's Day movie.
• 1:04:10
  Uh, and cold storage is a parasitic fungus stored under a self storage
• 1:04:15
  company, escapes and begins to infect any living creature.
• 1:04:20
  To make matters worse, it multiplies in heat and the once secure
• 1:04:24
  storage unit is rapidly warming.
• 1:04:27
  Uh, and you get Liam Neeson, you get Joe Cury from Stranger Things, and
• 1:04:33
  you get Georgina Cam Campbell back.
• 1:04:35
  Uh, our Barbarian friend.
• 1:04:37
  Ryan: It's a good lineup right there.
• 1:04:39
  Kearns: It's not bad.
• 1:04:39
  Jon: Yeah, it's a good cast.
• 1:04:41
  Trailers look pretty good.
• 1:04:42
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 1:04:43
  Ryan: jumping into horror now.
• 1:04:47
  Jon: I mean, he's, he's bounced in and outta horror before
• 1:04:49
  Ryan: man.
• 1:04:51
  Jon: or horror adjacent, you know.
• 1:04:54
  He, he's flirted with those lines.
• 1:04:56
  My number one, I mean, is really not a surprise, although I'm not even
• 1:05:02
  convinced it's gonna come out this year.
• 1:05:04
  It was supposed to come out last year.
• 1:05:06
  It's now scheduled for November.
• 1:05:08
  It does finally have a cast attached that includes Devin S
• 1:05:13
  and the return of the Tarman.
• 1:05:15
  And it is Return of the Living Dead.
• 1:05:18
  Kearns: Worse.
• 1:05:19
  That's the one you're most excited for.
• 1:05:21
  Jon: Absolutely.
• 1:05:22
  I, the minimal plot I have 18 months after the events of the
• 1:05:27
  original, A Trioxin 2, 4, 5 leak.
• 1:05:30
  Threatens a small town at Christmas.
• 1:05:34
  Ryan: So it is like a.
• 1:05:35
  Jon: It's gonna be a Christmas movie too.
• 1:05:37
  Ryan: it's like a sequel then.
• 1:05:39
  It is a sequel.
• 1:05:41
  Jon: It is, it is a sequel.
• 1:05:43
  I listen, the likelihood is, is this is gonna stink.
• 1:05:48
  Um, the director is, the only thing I've ever seen that he did is a movie
• 1:05:52
  called Kill Her Goats, which was a mess.
• 1:05:57
  It had some moments, but it was overall a mess.
• 1:06:00
  Uh, I, I mean, but it's Return of Living Dead and I wanna believe
• 1:06:04
  that someone's gonna make another good Return of Living Dead movie.
• 1:06:08
  Ryan: And if, if not, then this is your time to Shine, John, you make,
• 1:06:14
  we make a return to Living Dead film.
• 1:06:19
  Jon: Like, I just don't know if you can match the original.
• 1:06:24
  I just don't know.
• 1:06:26
  Kearns: No, their best bet is to do something unique and of them and try to
• 1:06:32
  Jon: Hmm.
• 1:06:32
  Kearns: that is as good as the original, but you can't match it and
• 1:06:35
  be the same thing as the original.
• 1:06:37
  That's the whole thing with remakes.
• 1:06:38
  You can't do, it doesn't work.
• 1:06:42
  They gotta add
• 1:06:43
  Jon: Nope.
• 1:06:43
  Kearns: usually they screw that up and we get mad.
• 1:06:45
  Ryan: Yep.
• 1:06:47
  Jon: Yep.
• 1:06:47
  Kearns: Anyway.
• 1:06:48
  All right guys.
• 1:06:49
  Well
• 1:06:51
  Jon: get to the theaters when it's not snowing and go see Bone Temple.
• 1:06:54
  Kearns: should.
• 1:06:54
  It's worth your money
• 1:06:55
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 1:06:56
  Kearns: it, we had a good ex. We had a good time.
• 1:06:59
  Jon: Yep.
• 1:07:01
  See it.
• 1:07:01
  Very afraid.