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SMNTY Classics: Contessa Valentina Allegra de Fontaine · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha and welcome stuff I
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we've been bringing.
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  Speaker 1: Back a lot of classics around fictional women around the World,
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  Speaker 1: but we're doing it again. Do it because I recently
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  Speaker 1: saw Thunderbolts slash the New Avengers in theaters and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, you know what, we should bring back the
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  Speaker 1: one we did on Contessa Valentina alegrad Dae Fontaine. Okay, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and we did do one recently on Yelena Bolova and
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  Speaker 1: I sat in there that I was like, I know,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to have to update this one, and yes
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  Speaker 2: Oh but that's going to be in the future.
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  Speaker 1: We've got time for that for now, please enjoy this
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  Speaker 1: classic episode.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and.
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  Speaker 1: So welcome to another episode of our segment, subsegment, sub
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  Speaker 1: subsegment Fictional.
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  Speaker 2: Women around the World.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to start off right at the top
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  Speaker 1: of spoilers. This is a spoiler alert for recent Marvel stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Even telling you what it is would be a spoiler,
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  Speaker 1: I think, But any recent Marvel thing not going in depths,
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  Speaker 1: but the topic is self. Yeah, is kind of a
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  Speaker 1: spoiler in fact, for Samantha who you have not seen
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  Speaker 1: Black Widow yet, have you?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: No, I have not.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: It's very brief, it's very minor's not really giving too
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  Speaker 4: much away.
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  Speaker 2: So here's a pause.
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  Speaker 4: You can come back later if you absolutely don't want
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  Speaker 4: any spoilers of any kind.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm leaving. Goodbye, Smantha.
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  Speaker 1: You're actually obligated to be spoiled by men.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: For those who are still here today, we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: Kintessa Valentina el Regra Daefontaine, who goes by Val often,
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  Speaker 1: but she says don't call her val recently portrayed in
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  Speaker 1: The Falcon in the Winter Soldier and Black Widow by
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  Speaker 1: Julia Louis Dreyfus. Interesting to think that Black Widow was
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  Speaker 1: supposed to come out first, so that should have been
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  Speaker 1: our first introduction to her, but obviously things did play
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  Speaker 1: out that way, so most people saw her in The
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  Speaker 1: Falcon in the Winter Soldier first. Also, this character was
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  Speaker 1: previously played by Lisa Rinna in the nineteen ninety eight
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  Speaker 1: live action movie Nick Fury Asian of Shield, which I
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  Speaker 1: have never heard of and I am shocked that this
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  Speaker 1: exists and I didn't know it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I've ever heard of this either, Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety eight. I gotta find this. I got to
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  Speaker 1: seek this one out. So from what we've seen in
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  Speaker 1: the Marvel Cinematic Universe or the MCU, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: get better about assuming like not everyone knows everything about
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  Speaker 1: the nerd stuff i'd talk about. She seems almost like
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  Speaker 1: a chaotic, possibly evil version of Nick Fury, assembling a
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  Speaker 1: sort of Dark Avengers or Gray Avengers maybe for a
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  Speaker 1: mysterious organization that she works for. She certainly seems manipulative
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  Speaker 1: and very clever. Playing on John Walker, who is kind
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  Speaker 1: of the like no good Captain America from a Falcon
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  Speaker 1: and Winter Soldier if you aren't sure who he is.
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  Speaker 1: She said things to him like things are about to
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  Speaker 1: get weird, so when they do, we're not going to
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  Speaker 1: need a Captain America, We're gonna need a US Agent.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, US Agent is a thing in the comics,
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  Speaker 1: it's like an actual title. And Elena Belova's aka Black
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  Speaker 1: Widowster Get Little Sister Valentina plays on her pain and
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  Speaker 1: anger and isolation potentially a lying to both of them
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  Speaker 1: to get them to do what she wants. She has
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  Speaker 1: access to classified information. She knows, for instance, that Walker
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  Speaker 1: took the serum to become a super Soldier and congratulates
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  Speaker 1: him for doing it. She also knows that Clint Barton
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  Speaker 1: was with Black Widow when she died. From what we know,
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  Speaker 1: she seems ruthless and cynical. She tells John Walker she
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  Speaker 1: would have killed the Flag Smashers too, and that he
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  Speaker 1: would have been doing the US a favor to have
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  Speaker 1: killed all of them. And yeah, the Dark Avengers are
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  Speaker 1: a thing in the comics. They're pretty much what they
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  Speaker 1: sound like, sort of the anti Avengers, Bizarrow Avengers. Like
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  Speaker 1: every Avenger there's an evil version of that Avenger, Like
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  Speaker 1: there's an evil version of the whole.
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  Speaker 3: Is this like a multi universe thing?
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  Speaker 1: No, No, they're I mean, like we've already been introduced
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  Speaker 1: to some of them.
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  Speaker 2: They exist in the same universe. They're just like an
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  Speaker 2: evil team.
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  Speaker 4: And they're like, literally, oh, that's the evil version of
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  Speaker 4: the Hulk.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's the evil version of Spider Man. Like Venom
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  Speaker 2: is a scorpion.
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  Speaker 1: Oh anyway, yes, the opposite of your favorite Avengers. So
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  Speaker 1: you've already got a dark Captain America and a dark
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  Speaker 1: black widow. I guess some of Marvel's most infamous villain
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  Speaker 1: ended up in this group. However, because of course things
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  Speaker 1: are very complicated in these some people think that this
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  Speaker 1: team is going to be more like the Thunderbolts instead,
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  Speaker 1: which was a team of villains or one time villains
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  Speaker 1: assuming new identities to fill a power vacuum left by
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  Speaker 1: the Avengers.
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  Speaker 2: And this team was originally led by Baron Zimo, who
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  Speaker 2: is the villain.
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  Speaker 1: In the Capts in America Civil War and in a
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  Speaker 1: Falcon in the Winter Soldier kind of in the mysterious
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  Speaker 1: non villain but kind of villain space. Most people know
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  Speaker 1: him because he did that awkward dance that got looped forever.
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  Speaker 2: It was good. Yeah, oh yeah, it was very good.
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  Speaker 1: But so the Thunderbolts are often called maybe it's not
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  Speaker 1: the Thunderbolt. One of them is often called, like this,
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  Speaker 1: the Suicide Squad, like Marvel Universe's Suicide Squad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, gotcha, Okay, but there's apparently more stuff we know
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  Speaker 3: from the comic books, and what a story it is.
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  Speaker 3: As always, when we discuss such a huge and sprawling
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  Speaker 3: universe and all over the place universe. These can get
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  Speaker 3: messy to pen down, yes it does. That being said
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  Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty seven is Strange Tales number one fifty nine,
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  Speaker 3: created by writer and artist Jim Starranco in the comics
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  Speaker 3: of Valentina claimed to be an Italian noble woman who
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  Speaker 3: was trained in the world of espionage from a young age.
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  Speaker 3: Familiar she rose up the ranks of Shield and all
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  Speaker 3: the way up to deputy director under Nick Fury, who,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, she had a relationship with. Okay, that
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  Speaker 3: was new to know that. And it gets weirder. She
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  Speaker 3: went on to secretly infiltrate Hydra, you know, the evil
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  Speaker 3: organization that for those out of the loop, this part
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  Speaker 3: I knew, becoming Madame Hydra, which is not how it
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  Speaker 3: goes in the TV version.
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  Speaker 1: It turns out, right though, Madam Hydra is like a title,
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  Speaker 1: so multiple people have been Madame Hydra. But also I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure I just read while I was researching this
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  Speaker 1: that yes, the show might not be canon anymore, so
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: They always things out of cannon.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, what a weird turns out she's actually a Russian
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  Speaker 3: triple agent who originally worked for Leviathan, a top secret
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  Speaker 3: Soviet science and spy organization, before being recruited into Shield
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  Speaker 3: as a sleeper agent and then Hydra Lord. One of
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  Speaker 3: her main goals was helping Leviathan's leader recover the ability
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  Speaker 3: to create superhumans. She convinced Hydra to steal a powerful
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  Speaker 3: object called the Box and then stole it for Leviathan
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  Speaker 3: before turning herself over and being imprisoned and then Italian
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  Speaker 3: Noblewoman Thing, an identity given to her and her family
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  Speaker 3: by Leviathan. Leviathan recruited her as a child after her parents,
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  Speaker 3: also Leviathan agents, were killed by Russian agents.
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  Speaker 2: What.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a mess, but she's clearly I'm smart, a
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  Speaker 3: great liar and great at reading people, knows a lot
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  Speaker 3: of languages, you know, the perfect combat and espionage agent.
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  Speaker 3: And of course she fooled a nick a Fury. She
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  Speaker 3: defeated him in hand to hand combat too, which you
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  Speaker 3: know he's getting old.
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  Speaker 2: End happened.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure this Leviathan revealed that she was
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  Speaker 1: still working for Leviathan.
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  Speaker 4: Happened in twenty twelve, kind of recently. I could be wrong,
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  Speaker 4: but this was like an ongoing Wait, she's in Hydra.
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  Speaker 4: Oh wait, she's a Leviathan the whole time. Yes, very messy,
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  Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, relationship drama aside, So, when Valentina gets
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  Speaker 4: jealous of Fury for flirting with an X, she flirts
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  Speaker 4: with Steve Rogers aka Captain America, which gets her in
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  Speaker 4: trouble with her superior at the time, Sharon Carter and
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  Speaker 4: you can see our previous Fictional Women episode for more
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  Speaker 4: about her, and Fury confronts Captain.
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  Speaker 2: America about it.
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  Speaker 1: Valentina apparently developed real, actual feelings for both Captain America
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  Speaker 1: and Fury, to the point that Nick Fury essentially pushed
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  Speaker 1: Captain America out of Shield because he didn't like what
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  Speaker 1: was going on between him and Valentina.
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  Speaker 2: This led to a fight between Fury and Captain America.
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  Speaker 1: Valentina intervened and forced them to talk out and gone
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  Speaker 1: to an understanding. Valentina got back with Fury, participating in
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  Speaker 1: missions to protect him from assassination attempts. After she learned
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  Speaker 1: that Fury had been for many years receiving supplements of
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  Speaker 1: something called the Infinity Formula to prolong his life. She
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  Speaker 1: finds the supplier blackmailing him by withholding the serum to
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  Speaker 1: get the samples herself, and she does this without telling him.
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  Speaker 1: After Fury disbanded Shield for being compromised, she hooked up
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  Speaker 1: with shields Cia liaison. Then Fury restarted Shield, bringing Valentina
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  Speaker 1: back into the agency. After Fury's partner at the time
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  Speaker 1: was murdered and Valentina's left, the pair got back together.
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  Speaker 1: The reason she gave her turning herself over with that
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  Speaker 1: whole Leviathan thing was so that Fury would know where
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  Speaker 1: to find her. And after helping the manipulating Hydra and
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  Speaker 1: Leviathan into destroying each other, Fury freese Valentina from prison,
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  Speaker 1: And I was like leaving a bunch of stuff out.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, obviously there is a lot of problematic stuff
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  Speaker 1: in all of that about her being Nick Fury's girlfriend,
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  Speaker 1: cat fights over men, were sharing carter men fighting over women.
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  Speaker 1: Often her costumes are hyper sexualized as well. Not all
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  Speaker 1: the time, but sometimes I'm like, whoa where did.
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  Speaker 2: This come from?
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  Speaker 3: Did she make tostop?
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  Speaker 2: Though I didn't see it too doot, but I saw
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  Speaker 2: what looked like.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of like a backless like spa leather bright shining
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  Speaker 4: leather backliss like tight jumpsuit sort of thing, short.
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  Speaker 2: Shorty exactly. That's interating. I can't answer these questions, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, under Shield, Valentina joined a group called the Finn Force,
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  Speaker 3: a group of top female Shield agents led by Sharon Carter.
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  Speaker 3: Valentina served as the second in command to keep suspicions
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  Speaker 3: off her. She did help out Shield a lot with
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  Speaker 3: villains like Doctor Doom and Quartermain. She worked with heroes
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  Speaker 3: like Daredevil and while under my Control, tried to cool
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  Speaker 3: Spider Man in Black Widow Whoops. Some speculate that in
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  Speaker 3: the MCU, this character is filling the role of another
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  Speaker 3: Marvel character, Valerie Cooper, a government official who worked with
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  Speaker 3: superhumans and was responsible for recruiting John Walker. Others have
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  Speaker 3: pointed out that in the comics her character was kidnapped
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  Speaker 3: and impersonated as part of the Scroll invasion, something that
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  Speaker 3: could be at play here, especially given the post credit
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  Speaker 3: scenes in the most recent Spider Man movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the Scroll if you saw, like Captain Marvel
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  Speaker 1: are the sort of reptilian alien race that can impersonate
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  Speaker 1: other people, and.
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  Speaker 2: I guess more spoilers, it.
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  Speaker 1: Was kind of revealed that maybe not everyone is who
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  Speaker 1: you think they are.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of the most recent Spider Man movie that.
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  Speaker 1: Some people are scrolls, so some people think that maybe
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  Speaker 1: it's this going on. I personally have my doubts, but
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  Speaker 1: it could be. It very well could be. So this
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  Speaker 1: character kind of gives me this feeling, as does a
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  Speaker 1: lot of phase for that it's a new world and
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  Speaker 1: what it was when a lot of these heroes got
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  Speaker 1: their start, and that we need to adapt, which in
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  Speaker 1: some cases could be good and others could be bad.
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  Speaker 1: The way she speaks sounds very that ends justify the
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  Speaker 1: means to me. The business card she gives to John
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  Speaker 1: Walker as a white side and a black side, perhaps
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  Speaker 1: meaning she sees good and good and bad is like
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  Speaker 1: ultimately the same, and or she is willing to cross
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  Speaker 1: lines to be on whatever side is winning or search
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  Speaker 1: her best at any given moment, or maybe she just
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  Speaker 1: thought it looked cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's possible that I'm reading too much into these things.
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  Speaker 1: The writers have said that this character is going to
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  Speaker 1: have a bigger part to play, so we'll see. And
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  Speaker 1: speaking of Marvel Villains, definitely planning on coming back and
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  Speaker 1: talking about Ravona Renslayer from Loki soon. I know probably
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people have questions after that season finale
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  Speaker 1: because it just got renewed.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely, I'm ready.
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  Speaker 3: Lots of things, all this.
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  Speaker 2: So many things, Oh well, I ever get to them all.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great question, Oh gosh is it is an
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  Speaker 3: excellent question?
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