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Gypsy Rose Blanchard: Free · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the Last Days, Gypsy
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Speaker 1: Rose Blanchard is released from prison eight years after she
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Speaker 1: convinces her ex to murder her munch Housing by proxy mom.
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Speaker 1: Her teacher husband whisked her away in a Cadillac Sedan
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Speaker 1: straight to a budget hotel. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here at Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories and at series six sem one eleven. Now, Gypsy
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Speaker 1: Rose Blanchard has been a conundrum, a mystery for so long. True,
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Speaker 1: she orchestrated the murder of her mother in cold blood. However,
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Speaker 1: and I think I can count on one hand how
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Speaker 1: many times I have had a however and a statement
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Speaker 1: like that. Gypsy Rose Blanchard spent her entire childhood being
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Speaker 1: forced to pose as a wheelchair bound invalid, her mother
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Speaker 1: convincing the world this little girl suffered from leukemia and
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Speaker 1: muscular dystrophy. When I say had to pose as an
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Speaker 1: invalid and be in a wheelchair, that's not all. Her
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Speaker 1: mother forced her to undergo multiple surgeries and there was
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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with her at all. She would let her
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Speaker 1: go to regular schools, she would not let her interact
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Speaker 1: with other people. She lost her teeth. Her whole childhood
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Speaker 1: was ruined. Her mother shaved her head, pumped her full
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Speaker 1: of drugs. It's just terrible. In her mind, the only
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Speaker 1: way she could get free from her mother is to
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Speaker 1: convince her deeply in love internet boyfriend creep into their Springfield,
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Speaker 1: Missouri home and stabbed forty eight year old mom Dedy dead.
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Speaker 1: She was jailed for ten years for the mattress side
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Speaker 1: that's murder of your mother, but got early parole after
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Speaker 1: friends and family and people from all over the country
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Speaker 1: begged and begged the parole board to take into account
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Speaker 1: the horrific abuse, the needless operations and procedures she endured
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Speaker 1: after being parade at charity events and fundraisers, getting money
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Speaker 1: from all sorts of donors. Just horrible, horrible treatment her
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Speaker 1: whole childhood. Just think of all the needles, the surgeries,
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Speaker 1: the infusions, just brutal.
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Speaker 2: Dd.
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Speaker 1: Even the mother conned doctors into removing gypsy roses, salivary glands,
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Speaker 1: I mean, shaving her daughter's head to make it look
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Speaker 1: as if she had leukemia and was taking treatment for leukemia.
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Speaker 3: I mean, how.
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Speaker 1: Did this whole debacle begin. It all goes so far
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Speaker 1: back to the time when the world wept with Gypsy
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Speaker 1: Blanchard's mother did over the pain her daughter suffered with
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Speaker 1: leukemia multiple surgeries. The feeding chiefs listened.
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Speaker 2: It's been a blessing.
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Speaker 3: People have been so nice to us.
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Speaker 4: It feels like we finally came home. It is wonderful.
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Speaker 4: It's so beautiful and.
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Speaker 5: Happy at home, a home that this family was desperately
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Speaker 5: in need of.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing about a brand new home given to
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Speaker 1: Gypsy Rose Blanchard, the little girl suffering so badly, her mother,
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Speaker 1: her full time caretaker. This was after Hurricane Katrina devastated
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Speaker 1: their home, and not only that, Habitat for Humanity steps
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Speaker 1: in with no home.
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Speaker 5: And Gypsy Rose battling both muscular dystrophe and leukemia. The scene,
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Speaker 5: the Royal team went to work securing this rent free
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Speaker 5: home for the family and cleaning it up.
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Speaker 4: It just proves that happy endings are not just in
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Speaker 4: fairy tales.
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Speaker 6: They're real.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing the words of Didy. That's Gypsy Blanchard's mother
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Speaker 1: before she was murdered. That's right, Gypsy's mother, Dede murdered,
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Speaker 1: stabbed multiple times in her own bed as she lay sleeping.
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Speaker 1: So what happened to the fairy tale.
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Speaker 4: I heard her scream once and there was more screaming,
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Speaker 4: but not like the kind of horror film, just like
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Speaker 4: a startled scream. And she asked who was it that
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Speaker 4: was in the bedroom, and she called out to my
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Speaker 4: name about three or four times. And at that point
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Speaker 4: I wanted to go help her so bad, but I
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Speaker 4: was so afraid to get up. And then everything just
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Speaker 4: went quiet.
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Speaker 5: Were you excited that your new life was about to begin?
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Speaker 4: I was excited, but at the same time, it was.
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Speaker 1: Overwhelming.
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Speaker 4: Did you feel a rush of joy? It would come
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Speaker 4: in times of happiness, those spurts of happiness, but I
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Speaker 4: would have breakdowns where I start crying phili for more guilt,
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Speaker 4: also missing her.
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Speaker 1: At the same time, you're hearing from our friends at
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Speaker 1: ABC twenty twenty, and you're hearing from Gypsy Rose Blanchard,
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Speaker 1: the little girl that we thought had leukemia and so
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Speaker 1: many other ailments confined to a wheelchair with the mind
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Speaker 1: of a five year old? What happened? Joining me? In
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Speaker 1: addition to Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator, doctor Daniel Bober,
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Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist, family lawyer with a personal experience with Munchausen
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Speaker 1: by proxy, Kathleen Murphy joining us out of North Carolina
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Speaker 1: right now. To Crime online dot Com investigative reporter John Limley, So,
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Speaker 1: how did this little girl, Gypsy Blanchard. She's bald from
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Speaker 1: her leukemia treatment, she's frail, she's pale, she's sickly, she's
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Speaker 1: confined to a wheelchair. How does she get charged with murder?
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Speaker 7: For the first few years of her life, Gypsy Rose
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Speaker 7: Blanchard was this normal toddler, vibrant, full of energy. But
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Speaker 7: by the time she was eight years old, Dedie had
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Speaker 7: told Gypsy that she had leukemia, she was paralyzed, she
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Speaker 7: had muscular dystrophy, and she was also using a wheelchair
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Speaker 7: and had a feeding tube. Over time, these communities in
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Speaker 7: which they would live would just embrace the two of them.
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Speaker 1: Why why, why, why why why why?
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Speaker 8: White?
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Speaker 1: I got to ask DODORJ. Bober a question to doctor
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Speaker 1: Daniel Bober. Of course, you have to become a medical
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Speaker 1: doctor before you've become a psychiatrist. He is a forensic psychiatrist.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober, explain to me what is a feeding
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Speaker 1: tube and how does that work?
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Speaker 9: Well, a feeding tubebantee can go, you know, obviously down
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Speaker 9: your throat, or there can even be an incision in
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Speaker 9: your advent. It's basically for people that cannot take nutrition
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Speaker 9: by mouth and they're losing weight and they're becoming emaciated,
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Speaker 9: and so they require a feeding tube to sustain adequate nutrition.
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Speaker 1: So you have a feeding to you put down your.
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Speaker 9: Mouth, down your throat, and what was the other It
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Speaker 9: could be through a nasogastric tube, or it can be
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Speaker 9: an incision in your abdomen that actually used the one.
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Speaker 1: Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Wait a man, look,
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Speaker 1: I'm just a JD. You're the MD. What did you
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Speaker 1: just say, don't talk so fast, doctor Bober.
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Speaker 9: What did you say to Nancy? A nasogastric tube that
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Speaker 9: goes down your nose and into your stomach, or an
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Speaker 9: incision in your stomach where the tube is placed where
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Speaker 9: the nutrition is delivered it directly into this stomach.
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Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Bober. So this girl has a feeding tube.
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Speaker 1: Her teeth were falling out. I don't know why your
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Speaker 1: teeth were falling out. I just assumed it was from
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Speaker 1: all the chemotherapy and the radiation and everything she was
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Speaker 1: going through to try and stop the leukemia. What kind
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Speaker 1: of treatments does a child undergo when they have leukemia?
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Speaker 1: What does the hospital do to them?
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Speaker 9: Well, very often they will receive chemotherapy, which is you know,
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Speaker 9: toxic to pretty much every organ. It's actually very sad
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Speaker 9: and that you know, the loose keith falling out could
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Speaker 9: be due to poor oral hygiene, it could be due
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Speaker 9: to direct toxic effect of direct toxic effects of chemicals
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Speaker 9: that the mother gave to the child. Because remember these
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Speaker 9: people that might have Munchausen's by proxy, you know, they're
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Speaker 9: trying to make their loved one sick and very often themselves,
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Speaker 9: they will have a history of abuse or marital problems.
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Speaker 9: They're often healthcare professionals. There's a lot of telltale signs
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Speaker 9: that we see in the hospital with people like this.
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Speaker 9: For example, they will never leave the child's side, they
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Speaker 9: tend to become very close, they have very poor boundaries
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Speaker 9: with the medical staff. And although it's a rare disorder,
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Speaker 9: we do see it occasionally and there are definitely some
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Speaker 9: extreme warning signs.
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Speaker 7: And Nancy, no one knew at the time, but Dede
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Speaker 7: was in order to give Gypsy these symptoms and to
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Speaker 7: make her body just shut down. She was preparing food
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Speaker 7: for her poisoned with round up weed killer.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, well say that one more time. I just
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Speaker 1: the words round it weed killer caught my attention. What
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Speaker 1: did you say?
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Speaker 4: Now?
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Speaker 7: During this time, Dede was actually, in order to make
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Speaker 7: her daughter appear as sick as she was saying she was,
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Speaker 7: when she was preparing meals for her, she would poison
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Speaker 7: it with roundup weed killer.
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Speaker 1: In the last days, Gypsy Rose Blanchard walks free from jail,
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Speaker 1: even sharing anear's eve kiss with her now husband, Ryan
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Speaker 1: Scott Anderson, claiming, quote, it's really awesome to have family
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Speaker 1: time after her prison release. Well, she then goes on
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Speaker 1: to talk about her love life the quote d is
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Speaker 1: on fire. Gypsy Rose Blanchard fights back at she calls
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Speaker 1: jealous trolls, revealing she and her husband are having sex
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Speaker 1: every night after her release from prison for murdering her mother. Well,
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Speaker 1: I could have done without that bit of information. That's
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Speaker 1: stuck in my head forever. But another thing that's stuck
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Speaker 1: in my head forever is all the horrific treatment she
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Speaker 1: enduured at the hands of her own mother. You know,
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Speaker 1: it wrought the whole community because so many people have
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Speaker 1: been involved in trying to help the little girl, Gypsy
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Speaker 1: Rose Blanchard, who was suffering from so many ailments. And
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Speaker 1: then bab they find out the mother Dedi has been
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Speaker 1: murdered and the daughter is gone, has been kidnapped, has
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Speaker 1: been taken away. Now, if you talk to Gypsy's bio dad,
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Speaker 1: he said that Dedi Blanchard deserved what she got because
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Speaker 1: she had been such a horrible, horrible mother. Think about it,
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Speaker 1: for all the years years she kept her daughter in
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Speaker 1: a wheelchair, poisoning her, as John Linley tells us, with
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Speaker 1: roundup weed killer so she would affect the symptoms of
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Speaker 1: leukemia and other deadly ailments. There were constant fundraisers Habitat
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Speaker 1: for Humanity builds them a new home. She was everyone's cause.
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Speaker 1: Celab to help Gypsy Rose, the little girl with so
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Speaker 1: many ailments, food, money, clothing, vehicles, a home. The works
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Speaker 1: were given to this family to dd the mother until
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Speaker 1: it all ended. John Linley explained to me what happened.
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Speaker 1: How was Dede murdered.
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Speaker 7: When a friend of the Blanchards called police. Police accompanied
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Speaker 7: this person to the house. Police. Since they didn't have
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Speaker 7: any sort of paperwork, any sort of search warrant, they
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Speaker 7: couldn't go in. However, they said the neighbor could. So
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Speaker 7: the neighbor climbs through a window, goes through the house,
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Speaker 7: doesn't find anything. Well, meanwhile, paperwork does come through. Police
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Speaker 7: are able to get into the house and that's when
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Speaker 7: they find DD's body. She has been stabbed multiple times.
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Speaker 7: They say it is a brutal scene.
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Speaker 1: She was stabbed in bad defenseless when she suffered multiple
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Speaker 1: stab wounds. We're talking about Dede story. The mother of
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Speaker 1: Gipsy Blanchard joining me right now. Joseph Scott Morgan, professor
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Speaker 1: of forensics at Jacksonville State University and author of Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joe Scott, how do you
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Speaker 1: tell what happened? I mean, how can detectives specifically medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: but detectives as well look at this and see these
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Speaker 1: are not self inflicted stab wounds?
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Speaker 10: Well, the chance that in the key here is that
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Speaker 10: you use plural form wounds. It's rather rare that people
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Speaker 10: will self inflict stab wounds, but that an individual has
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Speaker 10: unless they're in some kind of frenzied psychotic state. If
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Speaker 10: an individual has multiple stab wounds, you know that this
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Speaker 10: is at the hand of another more than likely, also
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Speaker 10: This kind of frenzied killing that you see like this
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Speaker 10: is many times what we refer to as an overkill.
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Speaker 10: I think what's particularly interesting about this case, Nancy, is
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Speaker 10: that the room apparently is saturated, the bed in particular saturated.
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Speaker 10: We'd get an idea that the event took place here
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Speaker 10: and solely here. And then on top of that, she's
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Speaker 10: been down several days. Apparently she's in a moderate early
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Speaker 10: stages of decomposition at this point as well.
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Speaker 1: I wonder why Gypsy's father, says, DEDI deserved it.
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Speaker 6: Listen, Now she got older, Deedie tells me that she's
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Speaker 6: trying to get her this part monitor that she'd have
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Speaker 6: to wear while she slept because she stopped breathing in
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Speaker 6: her sleep, and she or she'd have seizures in the
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Speaker 6: middle of the night, and she was sung. She was
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Speaker 6: bringing her for test and everything, and that she had
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Speaker 6: sleep out there. She acted so scared she wouldn't even
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Speaker 6: leave her with me for an hour or anything, so
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Speaker 6: she was spit there all the time. I thought she
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Speaker 6: was the best mom in the world. When Gypsy was
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Speaker 6: around full five six, Dedi started telling me that she's
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Speaker 6: got some problems with her eyes.
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Speaker 1: Seizures.
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Speaker 6: She would say that the seizures would affect her eyes,
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Speaker 6: so they would conduct the surgery where they would straighten
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Speaker 6: her eye out, and then she would have another seizure
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Speaker 6: in her eye would get crooked again. Dede was telling
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Speaker 6: me that when she'd have these seizures it would knock
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Speaker 6: her back mentally.
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Speaker 1: A couple of years you are hearing from Gypsy's father,
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Speaker 1: Rod Blanchard, describing how Dede the mother told him their
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Speaker 1: daughter was having severe seizures and all of her ailments.
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Speaker 1: But how did it end in murder two? Just Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: We've talked about the physicalities of the murder, but it
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Speaker 1: would be very, very difficult, I think for Gypsy herself
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Speaker 1: to pull it off unless she attacked her mom in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the night in her sleep. I want
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Speaker 1: to talk about the mother for a moment. Doctor Daniel Biber,
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Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist join us US. Doctor Bober, I've dealt with
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Speaker 1: many cases where the mother has Munchausen by proxy. Now
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Speaker 1: this is what I understand it to be in lay terms.
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Speaker 1: Before you start speeding at warp speed before me. Munchausen
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Speaker 1: disease is named after Baron von Munchausen, and in our
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Speaker 1: common parlance, it is when you draw attention to yourself
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Speaker 1: by faking ailments. And some people go to great extremes
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Speaker 1: to fake ailments to get attention. All right, that seems
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Speaker 1: a little benign, you know, Oh, I'm hurting.
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Speaker 10: Why why?
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Speaker 1: But people go to all kind of crazy extremes like
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Speaker 1: faking cancer, shaving their head, putting themselves in wheelchairs, setting
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Speaker 1: up fake go fund Me accounts, the works. Munchausen by
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Speaker 1: proxy is when you make somebody else upear sick so
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Speaker 1: you get attention as the caregiver. And most recently we
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Speaker 1: had salt Salt mom who would give huge amounts of
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Speaker 1: salt in her child feeding tube which he didn't need,
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Speaker 1: by the way, or his intravenous tube, and it would
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Speaker 1: put him in great pain till he died. And she
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Speaker 1: was a mommy blogger talking about all she went through
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Speaker 1: taking care of him and what she was suffering watching
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Speaker 1: him suffer. This child was in so much pain he
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Speaker 1: would rear up off the hospital bed in convulsions of
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Speaker 1: pain as she sat there and watched. That's an example
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Speaker 1: of Munchausen by proxy. Oh, doctor bobra, I remember another
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Speaker 1: case where a mom would feed the child poison in
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Speaker 1: their soup and their oatmeal, and they caught them on video.
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Speaker 1: That caught the mom doing it on video. Now that's
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Speaker 1: my interpretation of Munchausen by proxy. You tell me so.
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Speaker 9: The clinical term for Munchausen by proxy is called factitious
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Speaker 9: disorder by another And what it means is is that
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Speaker 9: you're playing the sick role, or in the case of
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Speaker 9: Munchausen by proxy, you're giving someone else an illness purely
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Speaker 9: for attention, pure really to play the sick role, which
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Speaker 9: is contrasted with malingering, which we see in people who
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Speaker 9: are antisocial, whether they're lingering for money or malingering to
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Speaker 9: stay out of prison. It's purely for secondary game. So
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Speaker 9: the illness itself serves.
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Speaker 3: The role of getting attention, and that is the whole point.
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Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace Gypsy Rose Blanchard walks free.
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Speaker 1: Many people thought she should never have gone to jail
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Speaker 1: at all for the murder of her tortuous mother d
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Speaker 1: d after literally years of abusing her child in the
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Speaker 1: worst way.
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Speaker 9: Your moms did, Okay, Now what I want.
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Speaker 8: To ask you passed away? Okay, she's deased, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 8: what happened with your mom that night?
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Speaker 9: Why don't you do?
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Speaker 8: I have no debt that you loved your.
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Speaker 3: Why did they?
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Speaker 1: You are hearing? Just then, Gypsy Rose blanched herself by
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Speaker 1: a Walkershaw County, Wisconsin deputy sheriff talking to her trying
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Speaker 1: to find out how her mom DEDI ends up stabbed
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Speaker 1: multiple times in a frenzy, dead in her own bed,
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Speaker 1: but then another figure emergency.
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Speaker 2: Nicholas, Nicholas, something different, I prefer Usually by my family,
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Speaker 2: I would be called Nicholas, but my friends and other people.
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Speaker 1: What would you like for me to call you?
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Speaker 8: When I'm talking?
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Speaker 3: And so?
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Speaker 1: Was that the first time that your mom ever met
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Speaker 1: your girlfriend? Okay? I guess she's your girlfriend?
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Speaker 5: You love her?
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Speaker 7: Oh?
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Speaker 4: Do I have her?
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Speaker 2: So we're going to go down two paths here, okay,
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Speaker 2: And that is just You're going to have to be
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Speaker 2: honest with me, because if you love her, if you
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Speaker 2: love Gypsy, then you're not going to let Gypsy get
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Speaker 2: in trouble without.
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Speaker 3: You being there to help her. Okay.
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Speaker 8: Do you want to.
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Speaker 1: Do the right thing by Gypsy?
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Speaker 11: If you love her, I.
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Speaker 10: Wouldn't do it, I know you, says Okay, I'll mend it.
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Speaker 11: I did it, actually, step I love I.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 4: The only reason I did is because I did it
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Speaker 4: for me and the other reason I did.
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Speaker 8: I would have never.
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Speaker 1: Did it if it was not for me and her. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you're hearing from the investigation Discovery documentary Gypsy's Revenge. That's
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Speaker 1: Gypsy's boyfriend speaking being interviewed by a walkshowcunt in Wisconsin
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Speaker 1: Deputy sheriff investigator. How in the world, John Linley crimeonline
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, did this girl who has been
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Speaker 1: in a wheelchair with her head shaved and a feeding
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Speaker 1: tube meet a boyfriend? How did that happen?
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Speaker 7: Nancy, as hard as DDI may have tried to keep
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Speaker 7: Gypsy as a little girl, she had, of course, over
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Speaker 7: time become a woman, and as she got older, Gypsy
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Speaker 7: became curious about life outside the little pink house that
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Speaker 7: she shared with her mom. As time went on, ded
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Speaker 7: began exerting more and more control over her, But behind
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Speaker 7: her back, Gypsy was able to create an online dating profile.
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Speaker 7: She eventually connected with this young man, Nicholas go to John,
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Speaker 7: a man from Big Bend, Wisconsin. The two fell in
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Speaker 7: love and had a secret online relationship for about two
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Speaker 7: and a half years.
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Speaker 1: Two and a half years. It's amazing to me she
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Speaker 1: could do anything secret at all from her mother. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this.
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure all the names of the medication that
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Speaker 4: my mom was making me take, but there was a
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Speaker 4: lot of ones that basically just put me under.
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Speaker 1: A sedative state.
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Speaker 4: The medications did affect my teeth. They started to deteriorate
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Speaker 4: and some of them had to be extracted. I have
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Speaker 4: many many surgeries. I've had my salinary glands removed because
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Speaker 4: my mother said that I drooled. I had a feeding
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Speaker 4: two placement in my tummy. I had multiple eye surgeries
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Speaker 4: on my right and left eye, ear surgeries, a muscle
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Speaker 4: biopsy need to find out why my legs didn't work,
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Speaker 4: and a surgery to me not throw up anymore.
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Speaker 1: John Linley with me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how she could have any secret relationship
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Speaker 1: online if she was under all those medications and undergoing
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Speaker 1: all those surgeries. As a matter of fact, though, isn't
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Speaker 1: it true that at one point Gypsy the Little Girl
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Speaker 1: managed to run away?
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Speaker 10: She did.
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Speaker 7: In fact, she appeared at a neighbor's door standing on
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Speaker 7: her own, which was a big shock to the neighbor,
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Speaker 7: saying that she needed to get to a bus station
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Speaker 7: because she wanted to go meet the man she loved.
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Speaker 1: Well, apparently the mother Dedi Blanchard caught her, brought her home,
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Speaker 1: chained her to a bed, starved her, and told all
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Speaker 1: the friends and relations that Gypsy was lying so they
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Speaker 1: would not help her. Listen to what kind of mom?
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Speaker 1: Was she.
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Speaker 4: Very protective?
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Speaker 2: Do you think she protected you?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 4: Not in certain ways yes and other ways No. I
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Speaker 4: think that she was very sick in her mind for
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Speaker 4: a long time. I believe like we were best friends.
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Speaker 4: And when I was younger, she was my best friend.
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Speaker 2: She was your only friend, yes.
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Speaker 4: Other than my stuffed animals. And so I thought that
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Speaker 4: she was a great mother, no complaints. We got along
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Speaker 4: so perfect.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 4: I saw her as an angel that can do no wrong.
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Speaker 4: What happens when she got upset with you? It would
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Speaker 4: go into an argument that would last a couple days,
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Speaker 4: or it could be something where she wouldn't feed me
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Speaker 4: for two days or so.
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Speaker 12: Was she ever physical with you?
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Speaker 4: It started to be physical in twenty eleven. She would
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Speaker 4: hit me with the coat hanger sometimes. Did you ever
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Speaker 4: fight back now because I was too afraid to.
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Speaker 5: Gypsy says she did try and run away once, but
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Speaker 5: Dedie found her a few hours later.
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Speaker 4: She physically changed me to the physically changed me to
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Speaker 4: the bed and put bells on the doors, and told
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Speaker 4: anybody that I probably would have trusted that I was
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Speaker 4: going through a phase and to tell her if I
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Speaker 4: was doing anything behind her back.
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Speaker 2: Did you ever consider in a public place, if you
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Speaker 2: stood up out of your wheelchair and walked, Dede's fraud
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Speaker 2: would be completely exposed.
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Speaker 4: I honestly didn't think about that.
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Speaker 5: It never crossed your mind.
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Speaker 4: No, I was always so afraid of her, afraid of
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Speaker 4: the consequences after.
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Speaker 1: You were hearing Gypsy herself speaking on ABC's twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: describing being chained to the bad by her mother the
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Speaker 1: one time she did get away to Joseph Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: joining me forensics expert, death investigator and author of Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Jo Scott, I find it
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Speaker 1: very difficult to take in that this girl who went
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Speaker 1: through all this torture at the hands of her own
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Speaker 1: mother for so many years, actually is doing hard time
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Speaker 1: for her mother's death. Is there a way to prove
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Speaker 1: the child is chained to the bed.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that there would be, particularly if she
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Speaker 10: had if it was a chronic status that she was in.
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Speaker 10: Let's say, for instance, she was bound around her ankles
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Speaker 10: or her wrist, and there's scarring that might in fact
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Speaker 10: be consistent with having had this area upbraided over a
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Speaker 10: long period of time. Might be evidences there. In addition,
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Speaker 10: in addition to this, just litany of other things that
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Speaker 10: have been perpetrated upon the young girl. You can tie
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Speaker 10: that back with all this other history that we have,
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Speaker 10: and it paints a very very grim picture.
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Speaker 1: So I'm not understanding to John Linley, Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, how did Gypsy the Little Girl end
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Speaker 1: up behind bars for many many years?
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Speaker 7: Gypsy and Nicholas go to John decided to finally meet
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Speaker 7: in person for the first time in March of twenty
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Speaker 7: fifteen at a movie theater. She was dressed as Cinderella,
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Speaker 7: he as Prince Charming, and it seems that very soon
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Speaker 7: thereafter in their communications online, there was a plot going.
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Speaker 7: At that point, Gypsy said she had had enough. She
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Speaker 7: didn't hate her mother, but she wanted her mother dead.
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Speaker 7: So they began plotting a time that he could come
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Speaker 7: into the house while Dedee was taking Gypsy to a
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Speaker 7: routine hospital appointment. And that's where go to John lay
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Speaker 7: in wait for the time that Gypsy could give him
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Speaker 7: the signal that her mother had gone to sleep.
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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. After a nation wide campaign,
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Speaker 1: Gypsy Rose Blanchard walked free from jail after orchestrating the
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Speaker 1: murder of her own mother. But that's not the whole story.
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Speaker 4: It wasn't until I saw my attorney for the first
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Speaker 4: time and he tells me that there's been no medical
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Speaker 4: records that says I have cancer, and it shocked me.
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Speaker 4: I don't have cancer, concuse me so much, So what
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Speaker 4: other illnesses don't I have? He tells me. For the
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Speaker 4: most part, he thinks I'm perfectly healthy and that a
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Speaker 4: lot of this is made up. I was happy to
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Speaker 4: know that I'm perfectly healthy, but at the same time,
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Speaker 4: it hurt because it's like my whole world had been
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Speaker 4: tossed up, and I realized that my mother wasn't who
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Speaker 4: I thought she was.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing from the investigation Discovery Special Gypsy's Revenge.
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Speaker 1: She had no idea Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer,
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Speaker 1: that she was perfectly healthy.
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Speaker 11: It is a matter of dependency and isolation. I saw
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Speaker 11: it firsthand with a foster child, whereby the only person
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Speaker 11: this little boy had that he could depend on was
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Speaker 11: his mother, and she isolated him and made him dependent
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Speaker 11: and love only her for the attention. And it was
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Speaker 11: such a paris of source in this little boy's life
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Speaker 11: that he could never believe that his own mother would
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Speaker 11: hold him, and she did.
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Speaker 1: It's just so hard for me to take it in
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Speaker 1: to doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist and medical doctor, I
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Speaker 1: guess you know, having been fed round up weed killer
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Speaker 1: and going through the grueling regimen of chemotherapy radiation all
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Speaker 1: those years, being fed through a feeding tube, not really
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Speaker 1: getting real food, and being brainwashed by your own mother,
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Speaker 1: I guess she did believe it, Yes.
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Speaker 9: And Nancy, not only the physical changes that occur, but
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Speaker 9: the psychological change is almost the same way that sort
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Speaker 9: of the Stockholm syndrome where hostages sort of come to
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Speaker 9: become emotionally dependent on their captors. It's a very similar phenomenon.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how she tricked the hospitals, doctor Bober,
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Speaker 1: how could you pull that off. I do know this
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Speaker 1: isn't it true? John Linley. She wouldn't allow Gypsy to
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Speaker 1: speak to the doctors. She was the one that always
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Speaker 1: talked to the doctors.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely. In fact, she would not leave the room if
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Speaker 7: outside people were with her daughter. She kept her right there.
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Speaker 7: In fact, she would. Gypsy has said that she would
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Speaker 7: always hold Gypsy's hand, and if Gypsy ever hinted that
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Speaker 7: she might not be as sick as her mom said
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Speaker 7: she was, her mom would squeeze her hand tighter and
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Speaker 7: tighter until she just shut up. Essentially wow wow.
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Speaker 1: We also know that many records were lost in Katrina.
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Speaker 1: According to D. D Blanche d. The mother so she'll
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Speaker 1: hospital hop she'll go from hospitals affected by Katrina, relocate
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Speaker 1: with a sick daughter and say all the records had
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Speaker 1: been lost. So, doctor Bober, how do you fake l
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Speaker 1: what's an even strike doctors?
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Speaker 9: Because doctors are not looking for it. They assume again
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Speaker 9: that when a mother tells them what's going on, they
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Speaker 9: get by default, instant credibility. Only when you start to
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Speaker 9: see some of these suspicious things like the mother never
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Speaker 9: leaving the side and the mother always wanting to be
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Speaker 9: involved in all the conversations with the medical staff and
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Speaker 9: just the numerous ailments and no explanation, do you start
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Speaker 9: to become suspicious. And I've actually been involved in investigations
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Speaker 9: in this sort of thing where they'll actually put, you know,
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Speaker 9: cameras in the room under police investigation for the court
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Speaker 9: order to actually observe the parent trying to make the
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Speaker 9: child ill by poisoning them with something.
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Speaker 10: So it happens.
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Speaker 9: It's just very rare, and I don't think a lot
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Speaker 9: of doctors are looking for it.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Gypsy Rose and boyfriend Nicholas
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Speaker 1: go to John questioned.
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Speaker 2: So Gypsy knew you were going to kill her mother
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Speaker 2: because Gipsy asked you too.
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Speaker 1: Why does she ask you to do that?
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Speaker 12: Did you kill your mom?
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Speaker 4: Did you help your.
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Speaker 8: Did you have knowledge of the house kill your mom?
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Speaker 10: Okay, good morning.
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Speaker 12: I want to specify at the beginning of this press
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Speaker 12: conference that says this is an ongoing investigation. The prosecutor
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Speaker 12: has filed charges this morning for first degree murder on
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Speaker 12: two suspects. We're still investigating the extent of the relationship,
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Speaker 12: but it has been referred to as boyfriend girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: I wonder to Joseph Scott Morgan. Why the doctors that
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Speaker 1: mistreated them, mistreated Gypsy aren't being sued. I mean, how
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Speaker 1: could they not know that she was healthy?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, that is a big question. Doctor Bober was mentioning
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Speaker 10: that doctors don't always look they're not they're not criminal investigators.
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Speaker 10: They're not looking to tie things back from this perspective.
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Speaker 10: They're generally looking at some kind of natural disease process
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Speaker 10: or maybe acute trauma and trying to define it that way.
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Speaker 10: We had mentioned her being a bed earlier. Doctor is
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Speaker 10: not going to look at these scars on the wrist
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Speaker 10: and just automatically assume, remember these people are not forensic pathologists,
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Speaker 10: and automatically assumed that there is chronic habitual abuse in
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Speaker 10: this family going on.
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Speaker 1: John Lemley, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, what do
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Speaker 1: you know about the doctors?
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Speaker 7: There was one doctor, a pediatric neurologist named doctor Flasterstein,
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Speaker 7: who believed Gypsy was fully capable of walking on her own,
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Speaker 7: and he actually wrote in his notes that he suspected
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Speaker 7: Munchausen by proxy. Says it was only the second such
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Speaker 7: possible case he had ever come across. He learned of
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Speaker 7: Dede's murder at the hands of Gypsy and Nicholas. Go
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Speaker 7: to John later when a former nurse emailed him the
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Speaker 7: news story and he said, poor Gypsy, she suffered all
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Speaker 7: those years and for absolutely no reason.
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Speaker 1: Is it true, John Lemley, that Gypsy Blanchard is the
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Speaker 1: Wisconsin man now charged in the murder of d d Blanchard.
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Speaker 1: That's murder. One says that he fills his ex girlfriend
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Speaker 1: Gypsy Blanchard used him to get rid of her mother.
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Speaker 1: The charges would result in life behind bars. Go to
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Speaker 1: John from Big Ben, Wisconsin's charged with first degree murder
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Speaker 1: in the death and armed criminal action for allegedly stabbing
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Speaker 1: and killing forty eight year old Dedy Blanchard. He claims
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Speaker 1: he loved Gypsy to the point where he would do
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Speaker 1: anything to save her from her mother. In the last days,
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Speaker 1: Gypsy Rose Blanchard is released from prison eight years after
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Speaker 1: she convinces her ex to murder her munch Housing by proxy.
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Speaker 8: Mom.
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Speaker 1: Gypsy Rose Blanchard finally free. Goodbye for you.