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SMNTY Updates: August 2021 Edition · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff
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Speaker 1: I've never told your production of I Heart Radio. And
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Speaker 1: today's date is August third. I'm pretty sure you're you're on.
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Speaker 1: I know you're looking at me with questions and I'm like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: let me go ahead and prepare. It is August, and
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Speaker 1: we wanted to include the date in here because we're
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Speaker 1: doing another update episode. But we're going to talk about
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Speaker 1: a roundup of things that have caught our attention. But
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Speaker 1: in doing this episode, I've realized we haven't done one
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Speaker 1: of these in a hot minute, because we're talking about
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Speaker 1: some stuff that happened in February. Yeah, very briefly, it's
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Speaker 1: been a minute. We are also going to talk about
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Speaker 1: some sexual assault and harassment in a court case. We're
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Speaker 1: not gonna go to in depth, but just f y
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Speaker 1: I trigger morning. If you're not feeling that today, we
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Speaker 1: can also like, heads up that part if you want
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Speaker 1: to listen to the other stuff. But not that totally cool.
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Speaker 1: We did want to start with an update on the Olympics,
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Speaker 1: which we promised we would talk about more in a
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Speaker 1: recent Women Around the World, So let's start with a
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Speaker 1: story about Norway. Pink and bikini's let's do it all right.
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Speaker 1: So women on Norway's beach handball team are being fined
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Speaker 1: one and fifty euros, which is about one and seventy
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Speaker 1: u S dollars per player, for quote improper clothing when
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Speaker 1: they wore shorts instead of bikini bottoms during their bronze
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Speaker 1: medal match against Spain in the Olympics. Alongside Olympic officials,
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Speaker 1: the International Handball Federation released this statement. All efforts will
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Speaker 1: be taken in order to further promote the sport. This
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Speaker 1: includes the ideal presentation of the sport and by that
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Speaker 1: includes the outfit of the players. So the team and
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Speaker 1: given advanced notice on their plans wear shorts instead of
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Speaker 1: bikini bottoms, and while they lost the match, they said
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Speaker 1: they were out of taking a firm stance by wearing
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Speaker 1: the shorts. They released a statement of their own. We
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Speaker 1: are overwhelmed by the attention and support from all over
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Speaker 1: the world. We really hope this will result in a
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Speaker 1: change of this nonsense rule. The players have argued that
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Speaker 1: the bikini bottoms aren't practical for a support that often
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Speaker 1: necessitates women diving into the sand, and that further it's
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Speaker 1: just plain degrading to women. Many women athletes, professional and
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Speaker 1: not have shared their experiences being sexualized based on their uniforms,
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Speaker 1: feeling embarrassed and even discouraged from competing, and some even
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Speaker 1: said they walked away entirely because of it. Right, this
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Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of the whole incidents in a
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Speaker 1: league of their own when they're flighting and all the
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Speaker 1: bruising because they're not wearing pants. Yeah, ridiculous, y'all, just ridiculous. Um.
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Speaker 1: And here are the official International Handball Federation rules for
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Speaker 1: men shorts that fall no longer than ten centimeters about
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Speaker 1: four inches above their knees. But for women, quote, female
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Speaker 1: athletes must wear bikini bottoms with a close fit and
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Speaker 1: on an upward angle toward the top of the leg.
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Speaker 1: The side with must be of a maximum of ten centimeters.
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Speaker 1: They're also required to wear middrift bearing tops. Side by
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Speaker 1: side picture of the men's team and the women's team
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Speaker 1: is obviously very revealing. And again, the sport is relatively new,
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Speaker 1: so these rules were formulated pretty recently in the nineteen eighties.
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Speaker 1: I feel like, again, if we learned this lesson way back, when,
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Speaker 1: why are we here? Whatever the organizations in charge are
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Speaker 1: arguing that this whole thing was essentially employed to get
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Speaker 1: more publicity, that no one is officially pushing to update
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Speaker 1: the rules, which is dumb. The recently formed Beach Handball
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Speaker 1: Commission has agreed to discuss the clothing requirements at their
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Speaker 1: first meeting, scheduled to be held in August. Why is
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Speaker 1: it a conversation? Should just be like, oh, look, they
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Speaker 1: don't like it, so let's change it, right, Well, they
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Speaker 1: gotta uphold the proper representation of the sports. Samantha, is
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Speaker 1: it gonna be a creepy white men discussing but like
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Speaker 1: to see their butt hanging out? I'm to say uh.
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Speaker 1: And they really did attract attention and support world over.
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Speaker 1: The Norwegian Handball Federation president announced that they would pay
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Speaker 1: any fine, and pop star Pink tweeting her support for
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Speaker 1: the team, saying quote, I'm very proud of the Norwegian
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Speaker 1: female beach handball team for protesting the very sexist rules
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Speaker 1: about their uniform and the European Handball Federation should be
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Speaker 1: fine for sexism. Good on your ladies. I'll be happy
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Speaker 1: to pay your fines for you keep it up. So
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Speaker 1: that's from Pink herself. Um and Billy Jean Kane tweeted
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Speaker 1: the sexualization of women athletes must stop, which is hilarious
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Speaker 1: because when we talked about the history of the Olympics,
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Speaker 1: they were like, no, women are gonna be too distracting,
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Speaker 1: we can't have it. And then they brought him in
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Speaker 1: to be distracting. Apparently I know, and I know probably
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Speaker 1: all of us. I've seen their like, well dress codes.
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Speaker 1: You get fined like in trouble for showing too much,
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Speaker 1: and then this is you get fine for thought showing enough, right,
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Speaker 1: which hysterical once again, because I'm like, we've gotta get
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Speaker 1: more viewerships, So how do we do this? Women in
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Speaker 1: bikinis or leotard's that show off as much as possible
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Speaker 1: and not thinking about, Hey, is this actually pertinent to
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Speaker 1: their competition? Probably not? Probably not. And I have been
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Speaker 1: watching the Olympics and I think this is the first
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Speaker 1: time and I don't I can't understand why it took
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Speaker 1: me so long to be like, why is it these
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Speaker 1: dudes are wearing like long shorts and tank tops in
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Speaker 1: there and bikinis essentially right, And then I was watching
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Speaker 1: it with my friends and even I don't want to
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Speaker 1: be like even they but sometimes I feel like I
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Speaker 1: come out really hard on these like feminists like sexism issues.
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Speaker 1: But even they were like why why we were watching
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Speaker 1: the gymnastics and they were like, why are the women
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Speaker 1: having to do all these dance moves to music and
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Speaker 1: the guys just like do the thing right? Interesting? And
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Speaker 1: this is by no means the only sexualized gendered sport uniform,
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Speaker 1: nor is it the first time one is caused controversy.
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Speaker 1: I know, like a again, as we're recording this, a
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Speaker 1: lot is changing in today. I saw a headline about
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Speaker 1: like other sports teams joining in on this, so on
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Speaker 1: this protest. So it's it's ongoing and it is very
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Speaker 1: hard to to miss when you're watching the Olympics. On
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Speaker 1: the other hand, some countries have protested overly sexual uniforms
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Speaker 1: for conservative and or religious reasons, so that's another part
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Speaker 1: of this worth noting. As of these Olympics, the International
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Speaker 1: Volleyball Federation updated their rules to allow female volleyball players
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Speaker 1: the option of wearing T shirts, shorts, one pieces or bikinis.
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Speaker 1: I remember when I was a kid being like so
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Speaker 1: embarrassed for and I know this is terrible. This is
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Speaker 1: all about me and not about them. They probably don't
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Speaker 1: care about, like having to pick a wedge on international
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Speaker 1: television because they're type the key bottoms and they're moving
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Speaker 1: around a lot, right. I remember seeing especially gymnast when
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Speaker 1: they were in their uniform having to pull it together,
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Speaker 1: try to get it dog because I don't want that
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Speaker 1: up there crack. Yeah. Uh well, And that's the thing
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Speaker 1: is like, even if you don't care about, like you're
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Speaker 1: not embarrassed, it's just something you shouldn't have to think about,
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Speaker 1: Like you should be comfortable and be able to just
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Speaker 1: focus on your job of your profession instead of being like,
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Speaker 1: oh God, I got another wedgy, where's the camera? I
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Speaker 1: mean think about it though, for ourselves when we're doing something,
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Speaker 1: if we have a weggy, that's the only thing that's
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Speaker 1: all my mind, Like how do I get this out?
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Speaker 1: How do I get this out? So could you imagine
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Speaker 1: performing and be like, oh god, this is a way
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Speaker 1: up my crack everybody seeing this and it's so uncomfortable.
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Speaker 1: The feeling alone is so uncomfortable. I will say they
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Speaker 1: a lot of these athletes handle it with grace. They
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Speaker 1: handle it with more grace than I would. But uh,
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Speaker 1: I just don't think it's something we should have to
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Speaker 1: think about, agreed. And yeah, a lot of this does
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Speaker 1: go back to what we were talking about in our
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Speaker 1: History of the Olympics episode with largely male audiences being
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Speaker 1: uncomfortable with strong masculine women and wanting this like, well,
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Speaker 1: you can compete, but you still have to be in
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Speaker 1: your gendered for my male eyes, pretty box. Yeah, Germany's
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Speaker 1: women's gymnast team were full body unit arts this year
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Speaker 1: as a form of protest, and as I said, a
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Speaker 1: lot of other teams are getting in on it, so
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Speaker 1: hopefully we'll see some changes with that, hopefully. But yeah, again,
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Speaker 1: it's the beginning of the Olympics. Say here, we're still here.
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Speaker 1: I know, I'm a pestimus, I'm sorry. And uh. There's
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Speaker 1: been an outcry over FENA, the organization in charge of
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Speaker 1: international swimming competitions, who rejected the request of soul Cap
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Speaker 1: for use in the Tokyo Olympics. Soul Cap is a
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Speaker 1: product used by Alice during the first black woman swimmer
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Speaker 1: on Britten's Olympic team. She has an afro, and most
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Speaker 1: swim caps not only don't fit, they don't protect our
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Speaker 1: hair from the chlorine in the water, or even just
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Speaker 1: keep it dry, so soul caps create a larger silicone
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Speaker 1: cover specifically designed for we've dreadlocks, braids, hair extensions, and
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Speaker 1: or thick curly hair, and explaining their decision, Fina said
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Speaker 1: caps of such size and configuration have never been needed before.
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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, this sparked a huge conversation about the lack
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Speaker 1: of diversity and swimming at another instance of discrimination against
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Speaker 1: black athletes, just as recently as the twenty six Olympic
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Speaker 1: Game that Simon Manual became the first black female swimmer
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Speaker 1: to win a gold medal. And yeah, I thought about
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Speaker 1: that this weekend because I was actually watching the diving
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Speaker 1: and stuff and there was only really one black woman
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Speaker 1: the entire time, and I wondered about her hair because
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Speaker 1: she of course, no one who really has caps are
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Speaker 1: in that, so it's a whole different level. But I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I wonder if she's ever concerned about that, because, yeah,
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Speaker 1: chlorine is really damaging in general, and especially if you're
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Speaker 1: doing all these things, and we know the upkeep is
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Speaker 1: very different for women of color and curly haired women.
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Speaker 1: I know this in general is a whole other thing,
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Speaker 1: you know. I was like, does that even come to
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Speaker 1: our mind? And maybe that's just me being like, we've
9:58
Speaker 1: been thinking about this and you had a soul cap
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Speaker 1: issue has come up previously, and the fact that it's
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Speaker 1: banned altogether. So even like the conversation about the hajeebs
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Speaker 1: and people being an athletes being able to use that,
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Speaker 1: that was a huge conversation. I remember, I think the
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Speaker 1: Olympics too, and I'm like, look, if it's not discouraging
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Speaker 1: them in their competition, why are you so worried about this.
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Speaker 1: This shouldn't have to be a thing. It doesn't give
10:21
Speaker 1: them an edge. I don't understand. Boy. Yeah, And that
10:24
Speaker 1: was one of the most frustrating things about Fena or
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Speaker 1: f I and A when they released their statement where
10:30
Speaker 1: they were like, maybe it gives an advantage and I
10:32
Speaker 1: was like, what are you talking? Out of touch? Do
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Speaker 1: you think there's propellers inside of the soul caps that's
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Speaker 1: just pushing towards the finish line. I don't think that's
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Speaker 1: how that works, but I don't think it is either.
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Speaker 1: We did want to touch on Simmone Biles and and
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Speaker 1: mental health, which we we also talked about in our
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Speaker 1: Women in Olympics Went Around the World episode. UM and
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Speaker 1: I will say so I was watching gym the gymnastics
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Speaker 1: before she kind of dropped out. She did do the
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Speaker 1: balance being final as we record this last night at
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Speaker 1: four thirty am, which I loved. I was watching her
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Speaker 1: commercial for it last night and they're like, you can
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Speaker 1: wake up at four thirty five am to watch it live.
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Speaker 1: I was like, no, ill find the YouTube clip later.
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Speaker 1: But we were watching it before and it was We
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Speaker 1: did talk about it as I mentioned that episode of
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Speaker 1: like this is a lot of just commercials and segments
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Speaker 1: about her, and then it was really painful um and
11:46
Speaker 1: interesting that they included it, but they had segments in
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Speaker 1: there where she was talking about being a survivor, especially
11:51
Speaker 1: when it comes to like Clary Nasser and the whole
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Speaker 1: USA team gymnastics. And I think I've been reading a
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Speaker 1: lot of articles because I've said I really love gymnastics.
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Speaker 1: I loved it when I was a kid, and I
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Speaker 1: love watching it, but it has this really painful thing
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Speaker 1: now of like knowing there's this history behind it, and
12:09
Speaker 1: like we were talking about Carrie Shug and I totally
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Speaker 1: forgot that. After she like stuck that landing with her
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Speaker 1: broken ankle, Larry Nassa ran out to help her and
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Speaker 1: so that that hangs over it. And it does feel
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Speaker 1: odd sometimes watching these things where we're we're cheering people on,
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Speaker 1: but you behind that person is a person who probably
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Speaker 1: has been doing this since childhood and went through all
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Speaker 1: these difficulties to get there. And and I know a
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Speaker 1: lot of times I never want to like say that
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Speaker 1: somebody wasn't given a choice, but I always think of
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Speaker 1: like if I had been a four year old and
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Speaker 1: they're like, you're going to be a gymnastics champion. There's
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Speaker 1: no way I know any different or better, Like I
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Speaker 1: can't consent, I'm a child, but I don't know. It
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Speaker 1: just kind of weirds me out child prodigy stuff. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I don't want to ever say like, I'm sure
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Speaker 1: a lot of these women love the sport, they love gymnastics,
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Speaker 1: but it's just odd to me that it's almost like
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Speaker 1: you don't have a choice, and I'm you know, hopeful
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Speaker 1: that you could if you decide as you get older.
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Speaker 1: Oh I don't like this. This isn't for me. You
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Speaker 1: can drop out. But that is just an odd kind
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Speaker 1: of tension when I watch it. And yeah, since since
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Speaker 1: Simone Biles kind of spoke out about why she decided
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Speaker 1: to drop out of some of these events or not
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Speaker 1: competing some of these events. There have been a lot
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Speaker 1: of interesting conversations on mental health, some very disappointing conversations
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Speaker 1: about it that are playing out. And um, yeah she did.
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Speaker 1: She did compete in the Balance Beam and she won
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Speaker 1: bronze as of last night, And we also talked about
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Speaker 1: Naomi Osaka's withdraw before that, um, and it has brought
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Speaker 1: up a lot of interesting conversations around the training and
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Speaker 1: the expectations placed on these women, especially win of Color
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Speaker 1: and jymnast Ali Risman is been very outspoken about how
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Speaker 1: USA Gymnastics, the organization has really failed when it comes
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Speaker 1: to protecting and supporting these women. And yeah, there's just
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Speaker 1: like story after story of abuse and of pressing women
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Speaker 1: and girls to give up solid food for weight loss
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Speaker 1: for instance, like all of these things that are really distressing,
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Speaker 1: and I do think it's really powerful and needed to
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Speaker 1: that people are you know, stepping up and saying for
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Speaker 1: my mental health. And someone Biles was saying like, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to hurt myself because I Am not in good space.
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Speaker 1: And I think that is very difficult, especially on a
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Speaker 1: stage like that, to do. But I'm glad that it's happening.
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Speaker 1: I'm very disheartened that especially conservative men are like suck
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Speaker 1: it up, essentially, like you all went to us, right,
14:46
Speaker 1: and you know it's not just conservative men. Um Michael
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Speaker 1: Ja got essentially blasted, and thank goodness because the first
14:52
Speaker 1: thing he said was I have so many someone Biles jokes,
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Speaker 1: and then like on his own Instagram stories reposted supposed
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Speaker 1: fans sending jokes, including about Nasser and the abuse that happens,
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Speaker 1: like they made jokes of this, and it was just
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Speaker 1: really this this hardening. I'm like, look, you're a black
15:08
Speaker 1: man with a platform, and sure comedy like stretches some boundaries,
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Speaker 1: but you are going out of bounds and purposefully going
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Speaker 1: after a black woman. And you're one more reason why
15:19
Speaker 1: we talk about the fact that massageur noir exists in general,
15:22
Speaker 1: and why this term once again it's so important, and
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Speaker 1: why it's necessary, because what you're doing is exactly that
15:28
Speaker 1: on top of taking someone who has been through so
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Speaker 1: much hell, like in general, like I think about her
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Speaker 1: as being adopted, and I believe she was adopted by
15:35
Speaker 1: her grandparents. It's a little different because I also think
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Speaker 1: about just about the like expectation of like being the
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Speaker 1: ultimate story, uh, an ultimate goal of this and like, oh,
15:43
Speaker 1: you came from really sad background to this, and you're like,
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Speaker 1: but that's not what needs to be the important part
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Speaker 1: of her life is what she is accomplishing. But we
15:51
Speaker 1: do want to talk about that she had to pull
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Speaker 1: herself out of these things and what those effects can
15:56
Speaker 1: look like later down the road, and why people think
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Speaker 1: that she owes him something when she makes a decision
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Speaker 1: that's ultimately about her health or whether or not she
16:06
Speaker 1: meets those expectations that she had laid out before. And
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Speaker 1: and this whole like ultimate betrayal conversation as if again
16:14
Speaker 1: we are we have something invested with her backing down
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Speaker 1: or not doing what she did before, and we I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about um the fact that she literally created moves
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Speaker 1: that's gonna be named after her later on down the road.
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Speaker 1: But even still with that, the judges penalizing her for
16:31
Speaker 1: being too good, it's just like, damned if you don't,
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Speaker 1: damned if you do. Absolutely like she is the epitome
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Speaker 1: of that right now, and what we'd look at and
16:39
Speaker 1: the fact that the people who are supposed to be
16:40
Speaker 1: her allies are also the ones that's crapping on her
16:43
Speaker 1: essentially and making her a villain. And it's just as
16:46
Speaker 1: a disheartening thing to see. And once again one of
16:50
Speaker 1: those things like who are the ones that are actually allies?
16:53
Speaker 1: Who are the ones that are actually advocating? And I
16:55
Speaker 1: know at one point, like she was not even in
16:57
Speaker 1: a place when the NASA stuff came out to talk
17:01
Speaker 1: about herself, Like she literally kind of distanced herself mainly
17:05
Speaker 1: because of the trauma and again just laying down what's happening.
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Speaker 1: And I think she was criticized at that point in
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Speaker 1: time because she wouldn't come in. Why does she owe
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Speaker 1: us that either, Like essentially she does not owe her
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Speaker 1: trauma for us to move past whatever situations or to
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Speaker 1: get answers or to get gold. And it's such a
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Speaker 1: bizarre thing that we have laid on these ladies. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: gymnastics and I think ballet, those two are the ones
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Speaker 1: that you're like, these are really toxic when you see
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Speaker 1: the levels that people pushed them to in order to
17:37
Speaker 1: be quote unquote successful. Right, And I mean there's a
17:40
Speaker 1: lot we can unpack there of just the almost you
17:46
Speaker 1: have to be a certain age, like you age out
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Speaker 1: so quickly and I've I've been shocked at how many
17:51
Speaker 1: times I'm watching and I know this isn't new, but
17:53
Speaker 1: I'm just shocked how many times I'm watching it and
17:55
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, she has this like ankle and injury,
17:59
Speaker 1: and she also tore like all these like tape all
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Speaker 1: over their bodies and just like really really injuring themselves.
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Speaker 1: And again, I can only hope it's like something they
18:09
Speaker 1: like and it's you know, what they want to do.
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Speaker 1: But there's a part of me that's like you were
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Speaker 1: a kid when you started doing this, and I don't know,
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Speaker 1: and yeah, the whole it's just to me, it feels
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Speaker 1: like another example of really expecting women, especially women of color,
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Speaker 1: to put aside your trauma and like just do because
18:30
Speaker 1: when you think about it, like if you worked for
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Speaker 1: an organization that had the numerous accounts of abuse that
18:37
Speaker 1: USA Gymnastics did and then for them to be like,
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Speaker 1: but go on, right, performed for us, and it really
18:45
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they're making a lot of good changes
18:49
Speaker 1: are listening to them. That's particularly, why would you ask
18:53
Speaker 1: that of someone and to be angry at them when
18:55
Speaker 1: they're like, my mental health isn't in a great State
18:58
Speaker 1: right now, right well as Sunny Lee or Sunny Sully,
19:02
Speaker 1: who did win the gold and then she went on
19:04
Speaker 1: to win I think bronze and something else. She is
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Speaker 1: now actually talking about going to I believe Auburn and
19:10
Speaker 1: competing on the college gymnastic team, which has not been
19:14
Speaker 1: something they've been able to do. But because you can't
19:16
Speaker 1: be paid. Well now that's changed, but previously you couldn't
19:19
Speaker 1: be paid for participating in athletics. And even though she's
19:22
Speaker 1: not necessarily going to be paid by the school, she
19:24
Speaker 1: does already have sponsorships being on Olympic teams, and apparently
19:28
Speaker 1: other gymnasts could not do that, they couldn't participate in
19:31
Speaker 1: both because they were sponsored already. So that's interesting to see.
19:35
Speaker 1: And as you're talking about, I really hope you love
19:37
Speaker 1: this because now you're doubling down. Have you seen all
19:42
Speaker 1: the pictures of Simone just cheering everybody on. It's so nice.
19:46
Speaker 1: It makes my heart feel good. They are yeah, and
19:51
Speaker 1: I bet we will return return to this because clearly
19:54
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on here um and it has
19:57
Speaker 1: been something I've been seeing in my friends as well,
19:59
Speaker 1: of like people taking taking a stance on so dramatic,
20:03
Speaker 1: but like standing up for their mental health and be like,
20:05
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not in good space, which is
20:06
Speaker 1: pretty new and a lot of my circle of friends.
20:09
Speaker 1: So that's a good thing. But it also suggests to me, like,
20:12
Speaker 1: what have we been putting up with for so long?
20:14
Speaker 1: We've been so exhausted. I mean, honestly, I think we've
20:18
Speaker 1: talked about that several times. With the quarantine stuff as
20:21
Speaker 1: well as pandemic, like it's pushed up to the point
20:23
Speaker 1: of realizing, uh, what have we been doing? Why are
20:27
Speaker 1: we doing this to ourselves? And then this whole level
20:30
Speaker 1: of again is absolutely capitalistic idea of we've got to
20:34
Speaker 1: keep pushing and keep pushing to the breaking a point
20:37
Speaker 1: or we're not truly trying. And that's such an absurd
20:39
Speaker 1: idea chi chi again, like fail all these things. That's
20:43
Speaker 1: such a weird like why did we think this was? Okay? Yeah,
20:47
Speaker 1: I think we are. I think we are starting to
20:49
Speaker 1: question a lot of that. Um So we'll see how
20:51
Speaker 1: that that goes. But Okay, here's the part where there's
20:56
Speaker 1: gonna be some discussion of sexual assault. If you want
21:01
Speaker 1: to to to skip this part, because we're going to
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Speaker 1: talk about the ongoing lawsuit around Activision Blizzard, which is
21:08
Speaker 1: the company behind popular games like World of Warcraft and
21:11
Speaker 1: Candy Crush. After years of stories about the discrimination, outright harassment,
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Speaker 1: and toxic culture women endured at this company, the California
21:19
Speaker 1: Department of Fair Employment and Housing filed a lawsuit on July,
21:24
Speaker 1: compiling their findings after two years of investigation, and it
21:27
Speaker 1: has made some truly disturbing behavior at this company across
21:31
Speaker 1: multiple studios and offices public. As a result, more employees
21:36
Speaker 1: have come forward with stories of abuse, and not just
21:38
Speaker 1: from Activision, but gaming studios and tech at large. Others
21:41
Speaker 1: have apologized. Activision claimed that the suite presented a distorted
21:45
Speaker 1: and in many cases false descriptions of Blizzards past, so
21:49
Speaker 1: the details have been pretty horrendous. One of the complaints
21:52
Speaker 1: in the lawsuit concerned a creative director on World of Warcraft,
21:55
Speaker 1: alex A. Frazer Abbie. I'm hope I being on staying
21:57
Speaker 1: that right. His behavior as a harasser was so well
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Speaker 1: known his office was nicknamed the Crosby Sweet, as in
22:04
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby. At blizz Con, an annual company vent, he
22:08
Speaker 1: would flirt with female employees, asked them to marry them,
22:11
Speaker 1: try to kiss them, call them derogatory names, put his
22:14
Speaker 1: arms around them, and other men, including supervisors, would sometimes
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Speaker 1: have to intervene and pull his arms off of them.
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Speaker 1: Gross His behavior was well known to executives at the company,
22:24
Speaker 1: but all they did was give him a verbal slap
22:27
Speaker 1: on the wrist. Common story as of June a phrase
22:31
Speaker 1: Yab still worked at the company, but seemingly abruptly left.
22:35
Speaker 1: So by the way, and two characters and some items
22:37
Speaker 1: are named after him in the world of warcraft. So yeah,
22:41
Speaker 1: people are protesting that and trying to get it, get
22:42
Speaker 1: it removed, these items and characters removed, um and the
22:46
Speaker 1: Blizzard activision has recently confirmed that he left because of misconduct.
22:51
Speaker 1: But like this week confirmed right, I know, there's a
22:55
Speaker 1: whole protest. Didn't they all leave? Yes, we will be up,
23:00
Speaker 1: but walked out. The lawsuit also gives multiple examples of
23:03
Speaker 1: women receiving significantly less pay at the company when compared
23:06
Speaker 1: to men of the same experience level at the same job,
23:08
Speaker 1: often starting at the same time. It gives examples of
23:10
Speaker 1: women being asked inappropriate questions like you must be into
23:13
Speaker 1: freaky stuff? What kind of porn do you watch, often
23:16
Speaker 1: by supervisors jokes about how women only got their jobs
23:19
Speaker 1: by performing sexual favors, rape jokes. Former vice president at
23:23
Speaker 1: the company, Lisa Welch recunada time when an exec asked
23:26
Speaker 1: that she has sex with him because quote, she deserved
23:30
Speaker 1: to have some fun after her boyfriend had died weeks earlier.
23:36
Speaker 1: Others reported being guilted into sex in order to get
23:39
Speaker 1: and keep their jobs. Some as young as nineteen. There
23:42
Speaker 1: were reports of homophobia and racism to The lawsuit found
23:46
Speaker 1: that complaints to HR were not taken seriously, and that
23:48
Speaker 1: the HR representatives were close to the harassers often would
23:51
Speaker 1: take their side. Women who did report were often punished,
23:55
Speaker 1: held back from promotions. Women who took time off for
23:58
Speaker 1: pregnancy or childbirds found they received no support and their
24:01
Speaker 1: careers may be set back by years when they returned.
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Speaker 1: A security researcher named Emily Mitchell shared her story at
24:08
Speaker 1: the time she approached Blizzard's booth at a black Hat
24:10
Speaker 1: cybersecurity conference to ask them about penetration at testing position
24:14
Speaker 1: are pin testing, which is the industry term for a
24:17
Speaker 1: security audit. The Blizzard representatives asked if she was lost,
24:21
Speaker 1: if she knew what pin testing was, if she was
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Speaker 1: there with her boyfriend, and in Mitchell's words, one of
24:27
Speaker 1: them asked me, when was the last time I was
24:28
Speaker 1: personally penetrated, if I liked being penetrated, and how often
24:32
Speaker 1: I got penetrated. I was curious and felt humiliated, so
24:35
Speaker 1: I took the free swag and left. She went on
24:38
Speaker 1: to become the CEO at a company called Sagita HPC
24:42
Speaker 1: now Tara Hash, and when Blizzard approached the company to
24:45
Speaker 1: hire them in Seen, she informed the company's CEO and
24:48
Speaker 1: founder of what had happened. He sent an email agreeing
24:52
Speaker 1: to work with them only if they met several conditions,
24:54
Speaker 1: including a fifty percent massogyny attacks with the money going
24:58
Speaker 1: to three charities supporting women in technol alogy, and a
25:01
Speaker 1: letter of apology to Mitchell. You can find the whole
25:03
Speaker 1: letter online. It's a great read. Blizzard did not agree.
25:07
Speaker 1: Mitchell also reported the incident to the organizers of the
25:09
Speaker 1: black Hat conference, who promised her they would not invite
25:12
Speaker 1: Blizzard back as a sponsor, and they have not been
25:14
Speaker 1: back as a sponsor since. And just in case we
25:17
Speaker 1: don't already know, that is a good CEO and good advocate.
25:22
Speaker 1: Great job. It's a really good letter. And at one point,
25:27
Speaker 1: the breastfeeding rooms didn't have locks, and men would just
25:30
Speaker 1: walk in and stare until the women screamed at them
25:32
Speaker 1: to leave. Women reported avoiding parties because of unwanted touching
25:37
Speaker 1: and sometimes of the chess and the general quote fret
25:40
Speaker 1: culture of them, meaning they might miss out on networking
25:43
Speaker 1: or be punished for not attending. In response to the
25:46
Speaker 1: company's poor handling of the lawsuit, more than two thousand
25:48
Speaker 1: Blizzard Activision employees walked out on July after nearly one
25:53
Speaker 1: third of employees signed a letter the previous Monday addressing
25:56
Speaker 1: their displeasure with the company's initial response. The CEO of
25:59
Speaker 1: the company's responded with the public letter of his own,
26:02
Speaker 1: and the employees responded to that, pointing out that it
26:04
Speaker 1: didn't address issues at the heart of their concerns. They
26:07
Speaker 1: cited the responsive executive Friand Townsend, who used to work
26:11
Speaker 1: as assistant to the President for Homeland Security and counter
26:13
Speaker 1: Terrorism under the Bush administration, where she publicly defended the
26:17
Speaker 1: administration's use of torture after she called this whole lawsuit
26:21
Speaker 1: meritless and old um. After the walkout, she tweeted the
26:25
Speaker 1: problem with whistle blowing with an article wink and blocked
26:29
Speaker 1: anyone who criticized it, even employees. She is a sponsor
26:33
Speaker 1: for the company's women's network. By the way, you yeah,
26:38
Speaker 1: oh yeah again, this is what we're talking about when
26:41
Speaker 1: we're like not everyone or allies. People have a rightly
26:45
Speaker 1: pointed out that this doesn't seem to match with one
26:47
Speaker 1: of blizzards core company values, which is great ideas can
26:51
Speaker 1: come from anywhere. Blizzard Entertainment is what it is today
26:54
Speaker 1: because of the voices of our players and of each
26:57
Speaker 1: member of the company. Every employee is incourage to speak up, listen,
27:01
Speaker 1: be respectful of the others, and embrace criticism as just
27:04
Speaker 1: another avenue of great ideas. Mm hmm yeah, let me
27:10
Speaker 1: block these employees on Twitter, right, this is called hypocrisy. People.
27:15
Speaker 1: Some gamers and streamers are boycotting Blizzard in response to
27:19
Speaker 1: all of these allegations. Yeah, and some dev teams, specifically
27:22
Speaker 1: of of specific games, are also blocking and matching donations
27:26
Speaker 1: to charities usually about getting young women and girls into tech.
27:31
Speaker 1: All of this paints a history of toxicity at the
27:33
Speaker 1: company and of the industry at large. The state of
27:38
Speaker 1: California is suing Riot Games too, and we've talked about
27:41
Speaker 1: that a little bit previously, and this lawsuit has been
27:44
Speaker 1: going on since eighteen. The original complaint included this line,
27:48
Speaker 1: A formal male employee was allowed to remain in a
27:50
Speaker 1: position of leadership despite regularly making sexual comments in the
27:53
Speaker 1: workplace and drugging and raping another, right games employee. That's
27:58
Speaker 1: that's horrible, um as of now blows or nail right,
28:02
Speaker 1: So it's it's one of those things too. Going back,
28:04
Speaker 1: it's almost the same as the gymnastics, where it's like
28:07
Speaker 1: we all knew it happening, we all knew this, and
28:11
Speaker 1: then why it takes a long right, Well, I know
28:16
Speaker 1: that when we talk about gamor Gate, and when we
28:18
Speaker 1: talked about all the women who were big into the
28:20
Speaker 1: gaming world, we're getting harassed one actually just recently, I
28:23
Speaker 1: just saw a tweet were talking about how nothing's changed,
28:26
Speaker 1: like it was such a big deal, but there's not
28:28
Speaker 1: no actual change other than calling out individuals, so therefore
28:32
Speaker 1: not really getting to the root of the problem, but
28:34
Speaker 1: just chastising a few and making them scapegoats. And it's
28:37
Speaker 1: interesting to look at that and be like, yeah, that's
28:39
Speaker 1: the commonality, and what's happening is we're not getting to
28:42
Speaker 1: the root of anything. Instead, we're just taking a few
28:44
Speaker 1: of the symptoms out. Yeah, yeah, gosh, just frustrating. So
29:04
Speaker 1: moving on, we did very briefly want to talk about
29:08
Speaker 1: the lawsuit between Scarlett Johansson and Disney, because I'm sure
29:12
Speaker 1: a lot of you have heard Scott Johanson is suing
29:15
Speaker 1: Disney over the simultaneous release of Black Widow on Disney
29:18
Speaker 1: Plus and in theaters, and it's really complicated. This is
29:21
Speaker 1: actually the stuff I really love, but I know it
29:22
Speaker 1: was boring, so I'm gonna I'm gonna shorten it very basically.
29:25
Speaker 1: Her lawyers are claiming that it's a breach of contract
29:28
Speaker 1: that a lot of her compensation would have come from
29:30
Speaker 1: theater box office, so upwards of fifty million dollars is
29:33
Speaker 1: what they think, and that the company was putting a
29:35
Speaker 1: desire to boost Disney Plus membership over the money that
29:38
Speaker 1: she is owed. Disney responded, calling the whole thing quote
29:42
Speaker 1: callous um in the face of a pandemic. They said
29:46
Speaker 1: stuff like it's so sad that she doesn't care about
29:49
Speaker 1: all the loss and tragedy, and they revealed her salary.
29:53
Speaker 1: In response. Reframe, Women in Film and Times Up released
29:57
Speaker 1: a joint statement while We take no position on the
29:59
Speaker 1: business she's in the litigation between Scarlett Johansson and the
30:02
Speaker 1: Walt Disney Company. We stand firmly against Disney's recent statement
30:05
Speaker 1: which attempts to characterize Johansson. I am switching back and
30:08
Speaker 1: forth how I pronounce her name. I apologize as insensitive
30:11
Speaker 1: or selfish for defending her contractual business rights. This gendered
30:15
Speaker 1: character attack has no place in a business dispute and
30:18
Speaker 1: contributes to an environment in which women and girls are
30:20
Speaker 1: perceived as less able than men to protect their own
30:22
Speaker 1: interests without facing ad hominem criticism. Her agent, Brian Lord,
30:27
Speaker 1: joined in saying they have shamelessly and false accused Mrs
30:30
Speaker 1: Johansson of being insensitive to the global COVID pandemic in
30:34
Speaker 1: an attempt to make her appear to be someone they
30:36
Speaker 1: and I know she isn't. Scarlett has been Disney's partner
30:39
Speaker 1: on nine movies, which have earned Disney and its shareholders billions.
30:42
Speaker 1: The company included her salary and their press statement and
30:45
Speaker 1: an attempt to weaponize her success as an artist and businesswoman,
30:48
Speaker 1: as if that were something she should be ashamed of. Yeah,
30:51
Speaker 1: and people have pointed out myself as well that it's
30:54
Speaker 1: really hilarious of Disney, a company worth over one billion dollars,
31:00
Speaker 1: to claim that she's being callous to the pandemic when
31:03
Speaker 1: they opened up their parts during said pandemic and it
31:07
Speaker 1: wasn't until recently that they decided to mandate masks. Hello um.
31:13
Speaker 1: And also that it's pretty telling that she claimed a
31:15
Speaker 1: breach of contract and they were like, nah, you don't
31:17
Speaker 1: care about people dying in the pandemic. Hello deflection. I
31:22
Speaker 1: also think it's really hysterical because they're like, but you
31:25
Speaker 1: didn't release it at theaters and at the same time
31:28
Speaker 1: on Disney Plus, so you don't really care if they
31:31
Speaker 1: go to the theater or not. So I'm really confused
31:36
Speaker 1: what you're doing here. Also, not only were you able
31:39
Speaker 1: to do this as a movie, you're about to do
31:41
Speaker 1: a series off of it and getting millions of dollars,
31:44
Speaker 1: if not billions of dollars. Uh yeah, bra. Also, it's
31:49
Speaker 1: really funny to see two rich people going after each other,
31:51
Speaker 1: but at the same time there is the standard of like, hey,
31:54
Speaker 1: let's use this sexist way of trying to keep my
31:57
Speaker 1: hunting billion dollars within bockholders. Yeah, that's been one of
32:02
Speaker 1: the things for me because I feel like I don't.
32:06
Speaker 1: I can't envision them doing this to their big male stars.
32:09
Speaker 1: I really can't. And I also learned a lot about
32:12
Speaker 1: how much they make, and I was like, huh okay.
32:16
Speaker 1: But like if Robert Downey Jr. For example, Was like,
32:18
Speaker 1: you owe me this much money, I bet they would
32:19
Speaker 1: have been like, yep, okay, here it is right, Well
32:22
Speaker 1: what do you negotiate quietly? And I bet it wouldn't
32:26
Speaker 1: have been had to gone to a lawsuit exactly me too,
32:29
Speaker 1: Me too, Yeah, not necessarily taking a side, but maybe
32:33
Speaker 1: I have. But a few interesting topics of conversation has
32:36
Speaker 1: come up through all of this. Once again, it is
32:38
Speaker 1: interesting that, like you said, none of her male co stars,
32:41
Speaker 1: as of the recordings, have spoken out all about it
32:44
Speaker 1: at all, when again they all rushed to Chris press
32:46
Speaker 1: Aid overly over essentially a joke post and this anti
32:50
Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus church and then some possibly all the other
32:54
Speaker 1: things could be as complicated because of their own contracts
32:59
Speaker 1: and they already got their money, so why do they
33:01
Speaker 1: care or maybe they don't agree, But a lot of them,
33:04
Speaker 1: again make a lot more money than she has or
33:08
Speaker 1: is at this point with this movie. And yeah, good. Interesting.
33:12
Speaker 1: I think she's the highest paid woman actress and she like,
33:18
Speaker 1: I don't want to get bogged down into this too much,
33:20
Speaker 1: but like, she made twenty million for this and R
33:23
Speaker 1: g J made eighty million for one. Like that's that's
33:27
Speaker 1: a pretty big difference, right, And I'm guessing a bit
33:30
Speaker 1: of the reason why she's pissed is because a part
33:33
Speaker 1: of that you will get more money is through the
33:36
Speaker 1: box office cells so they estimated fifty million more but
33:40
Speaker 1: that's all gone and wiped away because there was no
33:42
Speaker 1: really contention to hey, what happens if we release it
33:45
Speaker 1: on Disney Plus, which helped get one of the highest
33:48
Speaker 1: numbers in viewing. But yeah, so, and they did boost
33:54
Speaker 1: their membership. I was looking at and a lot of
33:58
Speaker 1: people included in their articles about this, like the top
34:01
Speaker 1: salaries of actors in the world, and almost all of them,
34:03
Speaker 1: especially when you move past the top five, are men,
34:07
Speaker 1: and they're all from Marvel movies, and so these are
34:09
Speaker 1: like guaranteed money maker, like big money, right, And so
34:14
Speaker 1: it's not like we're going to talk about this a
34:15
Speaker 1: little bit more because it is to us, you know,
34:19
Speaker 1: it's like millions of dollars. But it is like, this
34:23
Speaker 1: is like you're guaranteed. It's probably one of the reasons
34:26
Speaker 1: you do markful movie, right, And we've seen other movies
34:30
Speaker 1: say we're only releasing the theaters and pushing it back
34:32
Speaker 1: and pushing it back, and they pushed this movie back
34:34
Speaker 1: several times because of that, but they still didn't do it.
34:36
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, what was the motivation here, right exactly?
34:40
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's that's another thing. Our entertainment landscape is changing,
34:44
Speaker 1: and it's quite possible this whole streaming day of thing
34:46
Speaker 1: is here to say, which means we do need to
34:48
Speaker 1: talk about this about people getting compensated for that. Um
34:51
Speaker 1: Johansson is suing over what some called the old model,
34:54
Speaker 1: which is money guaranteed from theaters, although even saying that
34:57
Speaker 1: feels odd because it's not bad old, but that this
35:03
Speaker 1: contract and the understanding she entered in was that that's
35:08
Speaker 1: where a lot of the money was going to come from.
35:10
Speaker 1: Like the intent was that's how she was going to
35:14
Speaker 1: make this fifty million as estimated. A pandemic certainly does
35:17
Speaker 1: change things. It's not like we could have predicted that,
35:19
Speaker 1: or she could have predicted that, but yeah, it's it's
35:22
Speaker 1: kind of bs anyway, but I hate that this is
35:26
Speaker 1: one of the only Marvel movies with a woman as
35:28
Speaker 1: the main character, and people are already judging how much
35:30
Speaker 1: money it made more intensely, like, oh, I didn't do
35:34
Speaker 1: some elsee people don't really want to see And it's fine, fine,
35:39
Speaker 1: but like people are saying like, oh, yeah, see, we're
35:41
Speaker 1: not into women as lead characters. That's just how it is.
35:44
Speaker 1: That's why it didn't do as well as other ones,
35:46
Speaker 1: not all these other things. And yes, I know this
35:51
Speaker 1: is over millions of dollars, and it's Scarlett Joe Anson
35:53
Speaker 1: who was made some very questionable decisions, and you know
35:56
Speaker 1: is generally the Internet does not like her, and it's
35:58
Speaker 1: hard not to be like, come on, but um, we
36:01
Speaker 1: are all about women getting what they're owed, and this
36:03
Speaker 1: industry is notorious for underpaying women. She is one of
36:06
Speaker 1: the biggest stars in Hollywood, and even if the lawsuit fails,
36:09
Speaker 1: it is pushing visibility around a lot of these issues,
36:14
Speaker 1: as it was intended to her lawyers definitely wanted it
36:16
Speaker 1: to go public. And I was telling Samantha I thought
36:19
Speaker 1: it was an Onion article because I was like, who
36:21
Speaker 1: would sue Disney, which is a part of the problem,
36:24
Speaker 1: and in the words of journalists Tom Risk laughly, I
36:28
Speaker 1: don't care how rich Scarlett Johansson already is. She was
36:31
Speaker 1: over through a breach of contract and she should sue.
36:34
Speaker 1: You can't really claim that you support professional women to
36:36
Speaker 1: demand what they're worth and promise and then be like
36:39
Speaker 1: except her, she's doing fine as she is, which is
36:41
Speaker 1: what a lot of what I've heard, and I think
36:45
Speaker 1: we see that a lot, and that's something we talked
36:47
Speaker 1: about a lot when it comes to ambitious women and
36:49
Speaker 1: how a lot of times the knee jerk responses, but
36:52
Speaker 1: you're doing fine, so what's your problem? And again, this
36:55
Speaker 1: is not our money. Is the money that has been
36:57
Speaker 1: given based on her work to a multi billion dollar companies.
37:01
Speaker 1: So it's like, why are you so angry, But she's
37:03
Speaker 1: asking to be paid. Well, she's being paid, and yeah,
37:06
Speaker 1: it's way more and it does feel like rich people problems.
37:09
Speaker 1: But at the same time I'm like, yeah, but it
37:11
Speaker 1: does meet a standard to everyone else. We like, we
37:13
Speaker 1: need to negotiate our value. If that's the work I
37:15
Speaker 1: put in and that was the intent and then you
37:17
Speaker 1: tricked me, then we need to have a conversation about
37:19
Speaker 1: being held accountable for your stupidity. Yeah, and as others
37:26
Speaker 1: others have pointed out if Disney is doing this to
37:28
Speaker 1: Johansson as a huge star, which again I thought it
37:32
Speaker 1: was an Onion article, which is really telling that. I
37:34
Speaker 1: was like, no one would dare sue Disney. Then who else?
37:37
Speaker 1: Like what are they getting away with from smaller actors
37:39
Speaker 1: or even not actors, like people who work on these
37:41
Speaker 1: productions who can't afford to sue for whatever reason it
37:45
Speaker 1: is even on Black Widow, Um or any other movie
37:48
Speaker 1: that went straight to streaming when that wasn't the plan
37:50
Speaker 1: when contracts were signed. And we I know people have
37:54
Speaker 1: talked about like Wonder Woman eighty four and you know
37:57
Speaker 1: what happened with that one, and then Emily Blunt with
38:00
Speaker 1: um A Quiet Place and right now in the Stone
38:01
Speaker 1: and Emily Blunt are contemplating co signing this lawsuit. I
38:06
Speaker 1: have thought it's interesting that all these been the veil
38:09
Speaker 1: clostars are like nope, not, but the women are like maybe, yeah, yeah,
38:14
Speaker 1: And again like we have to look at the record
38:16
Speaker 1: of Disney, and the heiress of Disney blasted all the
38:20
Speaker 1: stockholders when they let go of so many of the
38:23
Speaker 1: employees at the park and gave no about helping them
38:26
Speaker 1: and talking about, hey, you're telling them you can't afford
38:29
Speaker 1: to give them a living wage or helping them out,
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Speaker 1: and all of y'all are getting billions of dollars, billions
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Speaker 1: of dollars pretending like giving up your annual salary is
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Speaker 1: a big deal. In actuality, you have been making tons
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Speaker 1: of money just on the shares alone, and it's kind
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Speaker 1: of like, yeah, they give no craps about the people
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Speaker 1: underneath them. So this could set a precedent maybe later
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Speaker 1: on down the road, hopefully maybe. I mean it's a
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Speaker 1: big deal. Like whether or not it succeeds, that is
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Speaker 1: a big deal. Right, So moving on, this is where
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Speaker 1: we get to our very late, very late on the game.
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Speaker 1: But we did want to run through some first uh
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Speaker 1: and like we discussed in our Female First special that
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Speaker 1: was pretty recent, a lot of them are pretty disheartening,
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Speaker 1: but it's still progress. And also there's all the caveats
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Speaker 1: that we talked about in the episode around first, but
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Speaker 1: just really quickly. M J. Rodriguez is the first transgender
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Speaker 1: person to be nominated in a major acting category in
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Speaker 1: the Enemies, and we'll see how that plays out going
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Speaker 1: way back to the Oscars, Chloe Jo became the first
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Speaker 1: one of color to win Best Director, only the second
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Speaker 1: woman to win it ever. Yeah, with her Best Supporting
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Speaker 1: Actress win, Union Jung became the first Korean performer and
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Speaker 1: second Asian performer to overall win an oscar. And of
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Speaker 1: course all the controversy around the Golden Globes and the
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Speaker 1: Hollywood Foreign Press Association having no black people among their
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Speaker 1: eighties seven members. So that's a mixed bag. And then uh,
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Speaker 1: I know with the Grammys, a lot of people have
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Speaker 1: backed away from the Grammys and decided not to push
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Speaker 1: any of their songs or any of things and withdrawing
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Speaker 1: from getting awards from them because they're kind of talking
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Speaker 1: about the backlash of what the Grammys are and how
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Speaker 1: people buy their way into getting awards, which I have
40:08
Speaker 1: figured out as well as like, wait, we have to
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Speaker 1: pay lots of money just to ask them to look
40:12
Speaker 1: at our episode. Maybe I'm not meant for this. Yeah,
40:16
Speaker 1: then they're like, sorry, I didn't like it. You're like, Bomber,
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Speaker 1: I've wasted five dollars. That's not how much is. But
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Speaker 1: essentially I'm trying to get you to live like my
40:24
Speaker 1: stuff and it's like, wow, that's Oh, that's so disappointing
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Speaker 1: because you wanted to be pure. But it's not, oh
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Speaker 1: you've gone awards. I'm just saying I think we deserve
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Speaker 1: at least one award. I don't know for what. That's
40:43
Speaker 1: something most random mix up of topics. Yeah, so this
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Speaker 1: is what we have to say for this update episode.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot we didn't get to and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: we will. If there's something that we missed and you
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40:58
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