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NFC Big Picture Questions, Brendan Sorsby Supplemental Draft NOT Happening · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
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Speaker 1: John MIDDLECOF three Now Podcast Live from Lake tah How
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Speaker 1: beautiful Lake Tahoe. Went for a little walk up a
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Speaker 1: hill the day with a screaming baby. It was enjoyable. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And I when we were doing that, I saw on
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Speaker 1: my phone the news broke that Brendan Soresby will not
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Speaker 1: be allowed to enter the supplemental draft. So I'll hit
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Speaker 1: on that, which is obviously a massive, massive story. Now
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Speaker 1: clearly he's gonna sue, and who knows, we can dive
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Speaker 1: into that as well. It's like, bro, just just wave
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Speaker 1: the white flag, my man, and it'll save you some
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Speaker 1: cash too. Because this, I'll promise you this. The lawyer
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Speaker 1: are gonna keep sending the bill and we'll do some
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Speaker 1: ten big topics on the NFC, which we did the
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Speaker 1: AFC a couple of days ago, NFC today, And this
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Speaker 1: will probably be the last podcast for a couple of weeks.
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Speaker 1: I I don't think I'm gonna do anything next week,
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Speaker 1: and it's fourth of July week and we're going out,
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Speaker 1: going back to Arizona, then going out of town again,
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Speaker 1: so it might be a minute till you hear this voice,
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Speaker 1: it's probably good to get away. You know, you need
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Speaker 1: a little little break from me and most of you
1:18
Speaker 1: guys take a little break because it's a time when
1:20
Speaker 1: people kind of check out. So we'll be back relatively soon.
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Speaker 1: I don't have the exact date, but uh, this will
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Speaker 1: be the last podcast for at least, you know, probably tenish,
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Speaker 1: potentially fourteen days, so we'll just kind of go from
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Speaker 1: there and figure it out on the fly. Other than that,
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Speaker 1: you guys know the Joe. If you listen on Collins Feed,
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Speaker 1: alert never miss a show and assist talk. As Kenny
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Speaker 1: Rodgers would say, the Gambler, I, uh, let's just start.
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Speaker 1: I had last time. We had talked a couple of
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Speaker 1: days ago, you know, maybe had a few tequilas before
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Speaker 1: we recorded that intro. But I had said texting or
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Speaker 1: he was not gonna make it very far. This was
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Speaker 1: not a guy that was gonna go in the fourth
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Speaker 1: round of the supplemental draft. I think it would have
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Speaker 1: been a little surprising if he went in the first round,
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Speaker 1: but it was definitely on the table. Again, factoring in
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Speaker 1: the character stuff, He's not just a complete loser. In
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Speaker 1: this gambling thing is not something that you know, the
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Speaker 1: teams viewed as something that wasn't gonna go away. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of variables. No one has all
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Speaker 1: the answers, and ultimately that's why I think Roger came
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Speaker 1: down today. You know, in reality, Roger plays bad cop
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Speaker 1: a lot, and that's kind of his role. It happens
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Speaker 1: a lot for teams. The general manager often plays the
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Speaker 1: asshole role the coach. Doesn't you think when players get
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Speaker 1: cut it's all the GM. You don't think the coach
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Speaker 1: is on board. You don't think that sometimes when a
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Speaker 1: player is traded, it's the coach's idea and not the GM.
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Speaker 1: Like Andy Reid is great at this. I mean he's cut,
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Speaker 1: traded and and you know, not renewed contracts for a
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Speaker 1: lot of players over the course of twenty five years.
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Speaker 1: But typically, like you know, he plays the good cop
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Speaker 1: role because the coach has to. You know, it's very
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Speaker 1: important where the GM kind of drops the hammer. And
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Speaker 1: there is no way that the general managers were telling
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Speaker 1: their owners this is gonna be a rush job on
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Speaker 1: a quarterback that has a lot of talent and we're
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Speaker 1: never gonna be able to get all of our information.
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Speaker 1: In the NFL. You know, if you're a general manager,
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Speaker 1: if you're a coach, if you're a scout for ten
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Speaker 1: and a half eleven months a year, there is no balance.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't exist. You work crazy hours and if you
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Speaker 1: get to a certain rung on the ladder, you make
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Speaker 1: a lot of money. You're highly compensated for it. But
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Speaker 1: it is not a big balance league. You don't really
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Speaker 1: have a life. That's why you better be addicted to
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Speaker 1: football if you're gonna do it. This is the one
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Speaker 1: time of year where these men get to go all
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Speaker 1: over the country, some internationally and just really just enjoy
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Speaker 1: their family, just get to chill. And this is not
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Speaker 1: just well, there's some guard in the supplemental draft that
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Speaker 1: might be a third rounder. It's not that big a deal, right.
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Speaker 1: This is a quarterback, and a quarterback that, if he
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Speaker 1: had made it to Texas Tech, was going to be
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Speaker 1: viewed as a guy that could flip around his career.
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Speaker 1: We just saw with the number one overall pick back
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Speaker 1: to back years. I don't want that Fernando Mendoz or
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Speaker 1: cam Ward with the number one overall picks. And what
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Speaker 1: happened in the dust settles back to back in that slot.
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Speaker 1: So things changed dramatically fast, and I would I would
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Speaker 1: actually guarantee it that the gms and the head coaches
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Speaker 1: were telling their owners like, if you're going to do
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Speaker 1: a call with Roge, don't let's push this back a year.
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Speaker 1: We don't want to rush a quarterback decision. It's too important,
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Speaker 1: and there's no way for us to get all this
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Speaker 1: knowledge that we would typically start scouting for. You know,
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Speaker 1: Dante More's been scouted for multiple year, right, Sorsby's been
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Speaker 1: scouted multiple years. But now this legal situation, trying to
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Speaker 1: accumulate all this information in a couple of week period
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Speaker 1: and then having to go to some blind draft in
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Speaker 1: the supplemental So it's easy for Roger Goodell to play
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Speaker 1: the bad cop he works with the owners. If you
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Speaker 1: don't think the owners were telling him like, we don't
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Speaker 1: want to do this. This is not something we want
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Speaker 1: forced upon us. Also, some of these teams that are
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Speaker 1: interested in quarterbacks literally just drafted guys in the second
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Speaker 1: and the third round. I guess they were all the
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Speaker 1: third round, right, but some of these quarterbacks, you know,
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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna take Sorsby now with a second round pick,
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Speaker 1: and I just drafted Carson Beck or Drew Aller, one
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Speaker 1: of these guys in the third round, Like we never
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Speaker 1: would have done that. So it's all out of whack.
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Speaker 1: And I've said this the whole time. This one the
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Speaker 1: NFL roger, you know, in the statement talking about integrity.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we just went two straight weeks with a
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Speaker 1: count handful of players in the clink, you know, for
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Speaker 1: quote unquote allegedly domestic violence issues. So integrity, moral issues.
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Speaker 1: That this league is about printing money and getting first downs,
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Speaker 1: trying to win games and gain revenue, to improve those
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Speaker 1: percentages every year. That's the goal of this league. It's
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Speaker 1: not teaching human's life lessons. They don't give a you
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Speaker 1: know what, and you know what, they shouldn't. It's not
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Speaker 1: their job us as parents, that's you know, the good
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Speaker 1: teachers out there, the coaches, the youth coaches, that's their
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Speaker 1: job to be role models. If you're expecting the owner
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Speaker 1: and the general manager of your favorite football team to
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Speaker 1: teach your son a life lesson, you got another thing coming.
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Speaker 1: And to act like the NFL and these owners and
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Speaker 1: these coaches are losing sleep. Did this guy put five
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Speaker 1: hundred bucks or one hundred bucks on some shitty Indiana
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Speaker 1: team in twenty twenty two to win a game. You
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Speaker 1: got another thing coming. This guy can play. No one cares.
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Speaker 1: I saw someone's like he should spend the year going
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Speaker 1: to rehab and change his life. Can we stop the
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Speaker 1: dog and pony show? See if you can play Division
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Speaker 1: one football and just play some ball like that's who knows,
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Speaker 1: maybe improve your draft stock? So like, does anyone believe
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Speaker 1: when he went to rehab he was going to rehab
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Speaker 1: because he thinks that he's sending too many parlays or
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Speaker 1: because he tried to figure out a way to play
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Speaker 1: college football and make his five six million dollars Again,
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Speaker 1: I'm done with all the fake fugazi's in this world.
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Speaker 1: Let's just call a spade a spade. Let's call the
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Speaker 1: reality of the situation. This guy's just done for a
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks or a couple months now, trying to
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Speaker 1: stay at Texas Tech. That backfired, and Roger Goodell, you
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Speaker 1: cannot convince me that he did not hear from the teams.
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Speaker 1: We don't want to deal with this right now. We
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Speaker 1: don't want to try to onboard some quarterback over the
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Speaker 1: summer when We're in Hawaii drinking my ties with my
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Speaker 1: three children that I get to see once a week
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Speaker 1: for six months once the season starts. It's not my
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Speaker 1: fucking problem right now. And that's why I personally think
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Speaker 1: this went down today and Roger's going to be the
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Speaker 1: bad guy and everyone's going to make fun of him
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Speaker 1: for the integrity. But where do you think his salary
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Speaker 1: comes from? The owners? They run the show, and I
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Speaker 1: think most of them would have been on board with like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we don't want to deal with it because the draft pick.
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Speaker 1: It's too important and it can go the other way
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Speaker 1: because if this guy can never stop shooting, parlays off
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you look like an idiot in
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Speaker 1: a year. So that this was something the teams did
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Speaker 1: not want to deal with. I don't blame them, because
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Speaker 1: this is a pretty sacred time in football, in a
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Speaker 1: league where you have no life and listen. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people doing well financially, but
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Speaker 1: there's also a lot of people who work in the
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Speaker 1: league not making a huge coin, you know. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's a grind and to spend the one four week
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Speaker 1: stretch where I just get to chill having to chase down.
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Speaker 1: You know, lawyers and judges and people at Texas Tech,
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Speaker 1: give me a break. That's sores B. I didn't care
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Speaker 1: one way or the other. This is not something that
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Speaker 1: like moved me. I don't pretend to be like emotionally
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Speaker 1: caught up and Soresby's the worst thing that's ever happened
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Speaker 1: to college. But I just don't care. They let them play. Great.
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Speaker 1: If they didn't great, I was honestly pretty indifferent. I
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Speaker 1: can't fake some stephen A. Smith hot take that I
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Speaker 1: give a shit because I truly didn't. If Texas Tech
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Speaker 1: would have let him play, I would have been all
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Speaker 1: for it. It's good content. If they didn't, I moved
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Speaker 1: on with my life. Within five seconds, the NFL came
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Speaker 1: down with this hammer. I feel good for people, yeah,
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Speaker 1: because I've done these jobs. I remember one year sublemental draft,
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Speaker 1: the kid a Boise. I had to try to get
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Speaker 1: down information. It's a pain. It's the last thing you
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Speaker 1: want to be doing at this time. So we have
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Speaker 1: I would say some definitely some temporary closure. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: stores By is gonna sue the league. It's like one
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Speaker 1: recommendation I would have, like, let's just take a deep breath,
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Speaker 1: do what you need to do this year. See if
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Speaker 1: you're able to play Division one Double A football. I
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Speaker 1: don't know exactly how this is all gonna work. Maybe
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Speaker 1: you won't be able to play. Just do some image rehabilitation,
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Speaker 1: whatever the hell that means. I think that's the most
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Speaker 1: overrated thing in American history. But just kind of go away,
9:49
Speaker 1: lay low, like you're gonna start suing people. You're gonna
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Speaker 1: try to use the NFLPA, not even an NFL player.
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Speaker 1: And I get your lawyer's running point on this, but
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Speaker 1: guess what he keeps sending me that bill, and the
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Speaker 1: more and more he attempts to litigate this stuff again,
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Speaker 1: if that's the right verbiage, it's gonna cost you money,
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Speaker 1: which I would imagine how Texas Tech's gonna stop. Those
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Speaker 1: direct deposits are gonna slow down. So I might just
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Speaker 1: say let this thing go. Do a little whatever needs
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Speaker 1: to be taken care of over the next year, keep throwing,
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Speaker 1: stay in shape. If you're not able to play Division
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Speaker 1: one Double A football, enter the draft next year and
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Speaker 1: get draft in the second round, have a chance to,
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Speaker 1: you know, potentially prove yourself. And if somehow he's able
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Speaker 1: because you know, non gambling. If this was a drug,
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Speaker 1: a drinking, an academic thing, he would just play for,
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Speaker 1: like Montana, he would just play for like McNee state,
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Speaker 1: you know, Appalachian State. I don't know. I can't even
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Speaker 1: keep up with the NC Double A. And clearly, once
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Speaker 1: the Power four programs were like this isn't gonna take place,
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Speaker 1: I would imagine that's not gonna take place, and D
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Speaker 1: one Double A programs, maybe they just stay away from
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Speaker 1: this so he might just not be able to play
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Speaker 1: football next year, which obviously can't really improve your stock
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Speaker 1: when you're not actually playing. But sometimes, you know, you
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Speaker 1: make your bed, you gotta lay in it, and that's
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Speaker 1: the situation here. And I think general managers around the
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Speaker 1: league just had another cocktail since I started this, So
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Speaker 1: the ten questions with the AFC this this offseason heading
12:37
Speaker 1: into the season and camp. Let's let's turn our attention
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Speaker 1: to the NFC and to me, the number one question
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Speaker 1: going into this season as of what just happened? Is
12:52
Speaker 1: it really gonna be this easy? Are the Los Angeles
12:56
Speaker 1: Rams gonna be the Kevin Durant Warriors? Because historically football
13:01
Speaker 1: does not work like that. You can't just star chase
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Speaker 1: and it's guaranteed to work. But this was a team
13:09
Speaker 1: that was I wrote down Sam Darnold's number in that
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Speaker 1: the numbers in that NFC Championship game. He was twenty
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Speaker 1: five to thirty six for essentially three hundred and fifty
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Speaker 1: yards and three touchdowns. Well, they add Trent McDuffie, who
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Speaker 1: has played in multiple Super Bowls and done well, and
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Speaker 1: they add the best, you know, pure edge rusher in
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Speaker 1: the league and upgrade over a guy that they already had.
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Speaker 1: There's never been a team with the reigning MVP and
13:40
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year. It's never happened in the
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Speaker 1: history league because it'd essentially be like Reggie White and
13:46
Speaker 1: Brett Farv. You know, it would mean you, you know,
13:50
Speaker 1: Patriots rarely had the best defensive player, but it would
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Speaker 1: have been like in the in the twenty tens, like
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady also has Von Miller. We saw with Peyton
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Speaker 1: Manning and what were they They didn't always win it,
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Speaker 1: but they were clearly one of the best teams in
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Speaker 1: the league and in basketball. When the Warriors added Kevin Durant,
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Speaker 1: it was a lock, like a lock that they were
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Speaker 1: going to dominate if he was there multiple years. It
14:17
Speaker 1: was inevitable unless there were major injuries, they were going
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Speaker 1: to win the championship. That's not how football works. And
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Speaker 1: I think Sean McVay would be the first to tell
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Speaker 1: you that there is no guarantee on anything. Our divisions
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Speaker 1: hard people get injured. Quarterbacks older are left tackles definitely
14:32
Speaker 1: going through some shit right now. But on paper, there
14:36
Speaker 1: is no disputing they had a major weakness their secondary,
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Speaker 1: which is vastly improved, and they were able to turn
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Speaker 1: Jared Versusto Miles Garrett like what I and some picks?
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Speaker 1: Will those picks on impact this team? And the thing
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Speaker 1: they got going for him is sometimes this happens. It's
14:54
Speaker 1: like if the coach is not equipped right when you
14:59
Speaker 1: look back at like when I was a kid, it
15:02
Speaker 1: was Bill Walsh, George Sefer with the Niners, Eddie de
15:04
Speaker 1: Bartelow was always doing anything the Land players, and then
15:07
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones. Well, it's like, if you
15:09
Speaker 1: have high level coaching, you can go star hunting and
15:12
Speaker 1: it's gonna work because the coach is gonna make sure
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Speaker 1: that it fits. Sometimes throughout the league history, you know,
15:18
Speaker 1: the Redskins try to do the shit forever it's like,
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Speaker 1: this is not gonna work. If this works, it's gonna
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Speaker 1: be good. You just the locker room everything. It's just
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Speaker 1: something to I'm not betting against it, Like I think
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be good. I wouldn't bet my life they're
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Speaker 1: gonna win the super Bowl though, And yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's just we've never seen anything quite like it, which
15:39
Speaker 1: I appreciate. I mean, makes for great story, makes for
15:41
Speaker 1: fun stuff to talk about. I mean, I never will
15:45
Speaker 1: if I do this for multiple decades moving forward, ever
15:49
Speaker 1: have a better June one. Myles Garrett got traded on
15:52
Speaker 1: June first to the Rams, and if Aaron Donald comes back,
15:55
Speaker 1: woo is Jalen hurts and the Shanahan offense gonna work.
15:59
Speaker 1: Sean Maninion is bringing in this offensive philosophy which is
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Speaker 1: kind of the polar opposite of what Jalen's been doing,
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Speaker 1: and it is just uncomfortable for quarterbacks. Matt Ryan was
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Speaker 1: extremely uncomfortable year one turning his back to the offense
16:18
Speaker 1: or to the defense. It is something that is unavoidable now.
16:24
Speaker 1: The offense works twofold when you can run the ball
16:29
Speaker 1: and you kind of have to be pretty good in
16:31
Speaker 1: the pocket on the play action stuff. So it's gonna
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Speaker 1: be fascinating. It's either to me, gonna work and they'll
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Speaker 1: like lead the league in rushing or be a complete disaster.
16:44
Speaker 1: Right there. Teams so talented. Their defense is good, like
16:48
Speaker 1: a disaster for them is not like the Titans last year.
16:53
Speaker 1: But you go nine to eight in Philly or something,
16:55
Speaker 1: people are like, what is going People get fired? So
17:00
Speaker 1: I think the pressure on this team offensively, AJ's gone.
17:05
Speaker 1: There's no more like well, they just guys are at
17:07
Speaker 1: each other's It's like, Jalen, some of the stats. You
17:09
Speaker 1: led a league in three and outs last year, You've accomplished.
17:13
Speaker 1: I won a Super Bowl and I bowled out. It's like, yeah,
17:15
Speaker 1: three years ago. You know, you can't just hold onto
17:19
Speaker 1: the pass forever. A part of being a great player
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Speaker 1: and highly paid players, you gotta continue to produce, especially
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Speaker 1: in Philly because they will pivot off you quick. So
17:29
Speaker 1: Eagles on paper look excellent. They did a good job
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Speaker 1: of filling in, you know, for Aj, even while he
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Speaker 1: was on the team, knowing he wasn't gonna be on
17:37
Speaker 1: the team. Let's face their big issue last year, their
17:40
Speaker 1: offensive line is stunk. Interior offensive line did not play
17:43
Speaker 1: well lane. Johnson's getting old battle and injuries and hurts
17:48
Speaker 1: was just I mean, a bizarre player. But this offense
17:53
Speaker 1: to me is either gonna like it's gonna take some
17:56
Speaker 1: time to come together, but either gonna work or be
17:58
Speaker 1: an epic failure. Are the Bears just back? Like are
18:04
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears just a powerhouse now in the NFL?
18:08
Speaker 1: Is Ben Johnson just gonna be considered one of the
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Speaker 1: best coaches in the league year in year out. We
18:14
Speaker 1: talk about this with players. Any guy in the NFL,
18:18
Speaker 1: if you're a starter, can have a good season, right,
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Speaker 1: But to be a good player, you have to do
18:23
Speaker 1: it over and over. To be a great player, you
18:26
Speaker 1: have to dominate over and over. To be a great coach,
18:29
Speaker 1: like every year, I know I can count on you
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Speaker 1: to have the team. Like it's just clear. I mean,
18:35
Speaker 1: the best coaches separate themselves like players do. We don't
18:39
Speaker 1: even argue about it, like this guy, that guy, that guy.
18:41
Speaker 1: It's not even it's there are debatable coaches like there
18:46
Speaker 1: are debatable players. Like we can argue how good Mike
18:49
Speaker 1: Tomlin or John Harbaugh is, but we know he's good
18:52
Speaker 1: now how good? Right? We can do that like Jared
18:55
Speaker 1: Goff or Dak Prescott. But I think Ben Johnson has
18:58
Speaker 1: a chance to be one of the special ones. And
19:02
Speaker 1: we're lucky we have some special offensive coaches in the NFL.
19:05
Speaker 1: I mean, Sean Payton broke records with Drew Brees for years.
19:09
Speaker 1: Andy Reid's gonna go down as like his version of
19:11
Speaker 1: Bill Walsh, McVeigh and Shanahan, I mean are just elite
19:17
Speaker 1: offensive minds. Kevin O'Connell of Florida, Like, these guys are
19:20
Speaker 1: really good offensive coaches. And I think Ben Johnson has
19:25
Speaker 1: a chance to throw his hat in the ring and
19:26
Speaker 1: be near the top of that list immediately. With the
19:29
Speaker 1: young crew, I think the question mark is going to
19:32
Speaker 1: be And this is like big picture for the Bears.
19:37
Speaker 1: Remember they lost the Niners in a game there was
19:39
Speaker 1: like fifty to forty. You gotta play defense, and it's
19:43
Speaker 1: not their fault, right, I mean their defensive personnel. They
19:46
Speaker 1: couldn't have traded for anyone. Sweet that they drafted safety
19:50
Speaker 1: in the first round. You know, there was kind of
19:52
Speaker 1: could they have drafted a defensive lineman. You can't just
19:55
Speaker 1: reach on a player because your fans want you to
19:57
Speaker 1: do that. Dennis Allen's proven to be really good defensive coordinator,
20:01
Speaker 1: but their personnel is kind of average, and to me,
20:05
Speaker 1: they are a prime candidate in early mid October to
20:10
Speaker 1: trade for a player if they have a glaring weakness
20:13
Speaker 1: on defense. Because offensively, Ben ain't want to just like
20:17
Speaker 1: get on his knees and blow you, and he's been
20:20
Speaker 1: hyping up Luther Burden, So to me, Luther Burden Colson
20:25
Speaker 1: Loveland to go with what they already had now one
20:29
Speaker 1: big question mark with them. And this is where offensively,
20:34
Speaker 1: Drew Dolman was a Pro bowler last year, like he
20:37
Speaker 1: was a big time player for them, and he's quit retired.
20:41
Speaker 1: So you have someone taking like that's a downgrade at
20:44
Speaker 1: a position that with Caleb touched the ball in every
20:46
Speaker 1: play on offense. That to me is something to monitor
20:51
Speaker 1: what teams JJ McCarthy on Week one because you guys
20:54
Speaker 1: know where I stand. If you listen to me long enough,
20:56
Speaker 1: I think Kyler Murray is gonna win that job. And
20:59
Speaker 1: now with the new GM, I saw Pro Football talk,
21:01
Speaker 1: he's putting together a new staff. Do you keep JJ
21:04
Speaker 1: McCarthy as the backup if he can't win the job.
21:07
Speaker 1: Do you feel comfortable him being the backup? Are you
21:09
Speaker 1: more comfortable with him than Carson Wentz. If you are
21:12
Speaker 1: more comfortable with Carson Wentz, you're not gonna keep j
21:14
Speaker 1: McCarthy as a third stringer. As a first round pick,
21:17
Speaker 1: he's not gonna have much value on the open market.
21:19
Speaker 1: But would you just give him away for like a
21:20
Speaker 1: fifth or sixth round. I think you would be less
21:22
Speaker 1: likely if Questy was still around. But it's a new GM.
21:26
Speaker 1: Let's just pivot, move on, and let's figure it out,
21:29
Speaker 1: and next year we're in the quarterback market. But this
21:32
Speaker 1: didn't work out, we pivot. That's kind of the modern
21:34
Speaker 1: day NFL. And if that's the case, if JJ McCarthy
21:40
Speaker 1: is not on the team come Week one, which I
21:42
Speaker 1: think is a very strong possibility, Questy will go down
21:46
Speaker 1: as one of the worst general managers of all time.
21:47
Speaker 1: Just based on his draft record. He will be considered
21:51
Speaker 1: the worst drafting GM in the history of the league.
21:54
Speaker 1: Right now. Technically he is like the metrics of all
21:56
Speaker 1: the guys he's drafted in their playing time. But if
21:59
Speaker 1: you draft a quarterback in the first round, he can't
22:01
Speaker 1: make it on your roster going into year three, and
22:05
Speaker 1: obviously you've lost your job. That's pretty bad. So I
22:11
Speaker 1: wouldn't bet a large sum of money he's not on
22:15
Speaker 1: the team week one, but I think it's a strong possibility.
22:19
Speaker 1: And I think the question mark for me is in
22:22
Speaker 1: Vikings fans, you know, is like, who's going to be
22:26
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback? Because if he's not starting, is he
22:30
Speaker 1: backing up Kyler Murray? That's kind of weird. I don't
22:33
Speaker 1: think you could have those personal dynamics when we've already
22:35
Speaker 1: seen their dynamics in that interview thing. It was kind
22:38
Speaker 1: of bizarre. So's it's one of the more fascinating stories
22:43
Speaker 1: coming into camp of like when are they going to
22:46
Speaker 1: announce it? Are they going to push it till the end,
22:48
Speaker 1: or are they going to realize early? Kyler just said
22:51
Speaker 1: He's like, one thing that's hard for me is I've
22:52
Speaker 1: always been the starter. So even as we've changed offenses,
22:55
Speaker 1: I get all the reps. Well, now I'm splitting reps
22:58
Speaker 1: with a guy that my mother can see. It's not
23:01
Speaker 1: gonna be the starting quarterback. What are we doing? My
23:04
Speaker 1: guess is that changes a couple weeks in a camp,
23:07
Speaker 1: probably early August, you know, the forty nine ers went
23:12
Speaker 1: twelve and five. They beat the Philadelphia Eagles on the road.
23:16
Speaker 1: They have one of the best coaches, they have a
23:18
Speaker 1: bunch of guys coming back who are all star players,
23:22
Speaker 1: and no one's talking about him because what the Rams did?
23:25
Speaker 1: They beat the Rams last year with Mac Jones and
23:28
Speaker 1: Seattle's defending Super Bowl champs. They went up to Seattle
23:31
Speaker 1: and won, so I think in a weird way. And
23:35
Speaker 1: I saw Kyle Uschek was interviewed about this. He's like,
23:37
Speaker 1: if we get to fly under the radar, that's incredible.
23:40
Speaker 1: We would love that because typically they don't. They're polarizing franchise.
23:45
Speaker 1: Everything Kyle does gets talked about. You know, Purty's a
23:48
Speaker 1: polarizing player. Obviously, the substation thing, they can pooh pooh
23:52
Speaker 1: it all you want, Like it's a real like I'm sorry.
23:57
Speaker 1: Once you have that many injuries and that come out,
24:00
Speaker 1: people are gonna talk about it. And like Delandy Walker said,
24:03
Speaker 1: the trees are all dead there, so it's just like,
24:05
Speaker 1: are they just not watering the trees? To me, the
24:09
Speaker 1: biggest on the field question is is Christian still an
24:13
Speaker 1: elite player? Because if Christian can be an elite player
24:17
Speaker 1: and all these guys come back, they'll be fine. But
24:19
Speaker 1: last year you know, there's a lot of tread on
24:21
Speaker 1: that on those tires for a thirty year old running back.
24:24
Speaker 1: You know, if he's on the back nine of his
24:26
Speaker 1: career and some of his explosions, you know, down he's
24:29
Speaker 1: still a productive player because he's smart, he's tough, he
24:31
Speaker 1: can catch the ball. But if he no longer is
24:35
Speaker 1: what he was a couple of years ago, that that's
24:37
Speaker 1: a little bit of a problem for the forty nine ers.
24:39
Speaker 1: So I think in a weird way, you know, Mike Evans,
24:43
Speaker 1: they draft the guy in the second round, the first
24:45
Speaker 1: pick in the second round, scribbling, they're they're firepower with
24:48
Speaker 1: the wide receiver, will be fine. Kyle's always mixing match
24:51
Speaker 1: of that position. To me, like the run game, Like,
24:54
Speaker 1: are they going to dominate in the run game? Well,
24:56
Speaker 1: part of the reason they did that a couple years
24:57
Speaker 1: ago is because they had the best running back in
24:58
Speaker 1: the league. And then last year happened and Saquon became
25:01
Speaker 1: it and now going into the you know, and then
25:04
Speaker 1: then the next year it's like Bijon. You know, Christian's
25:07
Speaker 1: kind of fun off the you know, the mantle of
25:13
Speaker 1: being the guy. You know, you got Fred Warner coming back.
25:16
Speaker 1: Both to coming back. I think the forty nine is
25:18
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty good. But if they're gonna be a
25:20
Speaker 1: legit contender, I think Christian McCaffrey has to be. Like
25:24
Speaker 1: in the mix for Offensive Player of the Year New York,
25:27
Speaker 1: New York. I saw Mike Brown just got a standing
25:30
Speaker 1: ovation at some swanky restaurant. Those guys are living good.
25:35
Speaker 1: The clip on Good Morning America of them talking to
25:38
Speaker 1: the five guys and og either being so stoned or
25:42
Speaker 1: so hungover not even budging is incredible. It's my favorite
25:47
Speaker 1: thing I've seen on the internet in the last two days.
25:49
Speaker 1: But the Knicks actually take a little pressure off the
25:53
Speaker 1: Jets in a weird way over the summer because no
25:56
Speaker 1: one's really talking about him. But once you get back
25:58
Speaker 1: to football season, everyone's gonna go be more like the next,
26:01
Speaker 1: be more like the next, be more like the next.
26:05
Speaker 1: And to me, the question is, like, is Harbaut really
26:07
Speaker 1: just going to resurrect this franchise. The one thing that
26:11
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens had is the infrastructure they had when he
26:15
Speaker 1: got there, and he was you know, John Harper was
26:18
Speaker 1: a really good coach and a no brainer hire. But
26:22
Speaker 1: this isn't a guy that just showed up to some
26:24
Speaker 1: clown organization and created it. They already had it. They
26:26
Speaker 1: had Ozzie knwsome like. They have the infrastructure there, they
26:30
Speaker 1: had already won a Super Bowl previous years. I forget
26:34
Speaker 1: what year was hired eight so what they went two thousand,
26:37
Speaker 1: But a lot of those core guys you know, were
26:39
Speaker 1: still around. And definitely Ray Lewis was so the heart
26:42
Speaker 1: and soul of the franchise and taking over that job
26:47
Speaker 1: back in the day was a little bit easier now.
26:51
Speaker 1: I think at this point in time in his career,
26:53
Speaker 1: his confidence, his understanding makes it a little bit. I
27:01
Speaker 1: don't even want to say, I just think you kind
27:02
Speaker 1: of stuck in your ways the wrong way. You just
27:05
Speaker 1: like this. I have a way of doing things. This
27:07
Speaker 1: has worked for me. And they have a lot of
27:10
Speaker 1: young players. They have a lot of guys that like
27:14
Speaker 1: you know, this year's draft John Harbaugh picked these players. Well,
27:20
Speaker 1: so you have some holdover guys. It's like, what if
27:23
Speaker 1: he doesn't like those guys, you could have a lot
27:24
Speaker 1: of guys traded to me. The Elikue Neighbors injury scare
27:28
Speaker 1: thing is kind of weird how that plays out. I'm
27:32
Speaker 1: gonna pump the brakes a little bit on them this year.
27:36
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be way better than they've been.
27:38
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people are gonna go, oh,
27:40
Speaker 1: they'll win a ten or eleven games. Ah, I don't know.
27:43
Speaker 1: Are they stopping the run? How are they stopping the run?
27:49
Speaker 1: In a division where the Cowboys have a good offensive line,
27:51
Speaker 1: they are gonna run the ball. Eagle's definitely gonna run
27:54
Speaker 1: the ball, and I mean the Commanders might have to.
27:56
Speaker 1: They got no one to throw to. So I'm just
28:01
Speaker 1: I think he can resurrect the franchise over the course
28:04
Speaker 1: of the next couple of years. I do wonder if
28:06
Speaker 1: this year is gonna be a little bit of a
28:08
Speaker 1: letdown given the expectations, like we go eleven and six.
28:14
Speaker 1: The other thing is Naggy the offensive coordinator. Man Naggie
28:17
Speaker 1: thought he's gonna be the head coach of Tennessee Titans,
28:20
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, it's tough pill to swallow
28:23
Speaker 1: when his guy that he had known, Borgonzi from Kansas
28:25
Speaker 1: City pick Sala And at one point in time I
28:29
Speaker 1: started looking around, like, is Naggy gonna be like out
28:31
Speaker 1: of football? And the way it took out with Monkin
28:35
Speaker 1: getting the job in Cleveland, gets his job, you know
28:37
Speaker 1: he's naggy. Now has a chance really quick. I mean
28:42
Speaker 1: if this goes well on offense to resurrect his career
28:44
Speaker 1: of being like this guy's a head coach. If in
28:46
Speaker 1: a couple of years their offense is elite, like he'll
28:49
Speaker 1: be a head coach. I was just gonna do can
28:54
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell get a swag back? But then I was like,
28:57
Speaker 1: I don't know, green Bay not gonna make it in here,
28:59
Speaker 1: so we could do green Bay and Detroit. These were
29:04
Speaker 1: two teams that going in the last several years, you
29:08
Speaker 1: thought we're gonna be the best in the NFL. And
29:12
Speaker 1: you look at Dan Campbell last year he loses Ben
29:17
Speaker 1: Johnson and it's a nightmare. I mean he has to
29:19
Speaker 1: fire his buddy Johnny Morton by the middle of the
29:21
Speaker 1: season and take over with the glasses, Like that's part
29:26
Speaker 1: of being a head coach. What is so difficult when
29:27
Speaker 1: you're not the play caller is and he actually was
29:31
Speaker 1: a pretty much better play caller when he took over
29:33
Speaker 1: than Johnny Morton was. Is It can have a huge
29:37
Speaker 1: impact on your franchise and they hire petsing from Arizona.
29:42
Speaker 1: I heard Dan say this, and I think I mentioned
29:44
Speaker 1: this on a previous pod. I saw an interview he
29:48
Speaker 1: did at the Arizona owners meetings and he's like, you
29:53
Speaker 1: know what, the reason we ever confidence this offseason is like,
29:56
Speaker 1: we're not missing much. We have pillars at all the
30:00
Speaker 1: important positions. And he's right tackle, running back, quarterback, tight end,
30:05
Speaker 1: wide receiver, pass rusher, linebacker, dB and potentially maybe multiple dbs.
30:12
Speaker 1: But like, can they stay healthy? And on offense, who's
30:15
Speaker 1: coaching them? So I think there's no disputing the Lions
30:20
Speaker 1: on paper should be good and can't win the division.
30:25
Speaker 1: The question is like that hole that Ben Johnson left,
30:28
Speaker 1: can they fill it? And can they get back to
30:31
Speaker 1: what they were before? To me, same thing with Green Bay. Obviously,
30:37
Speaker 1: the Micah Parsons and Tucker Craft injuries derailed their season.
30:42
Speaker 1: I mean they had other injuries, but those two injuries
30:44
Speaker 1: were just it's like if I took a you know,
30:50
Speaker 1: a baseball bat to your kneecap, You're gonna go down,
30:52
Speaker 1: Like what are you gonna do? They were, they were screwed,
30:56
Speaker 1: and they still were pretty admirable in their efforts town
31:00
Speaker 1: on the stretch, but Jeff Haffley has was a big
31:04
Speaker 1: time coach for them, so defensively, you get a new
31:08
Speaker 1: coach coming in. To me, Hafley is a better schematic
31:11
Speaker 1: guy than Gannon, and they're both kind of similar in
31:14
Speaker 1: terms of their motivation and inspiration. That's kind of their deal.
31:16
Speaker 1: They're like kind of raw rock guys, but they're good
31:19
Speaker 1: at it. Like I respect them both for it. To me,
31:23
Speaker 1: the personnel on the team is like, well, Mike's gone, right,
31:27
Speaker 1: we don't know when he's coming back. He's the best
31:30
Speaker 1: player on the team. You know, everyone's telling me Luke
31:34
Speaker 1: Vanes is gonna be fifteen s that guy. We'll see
31:37
Speaker 1: that they have. They're they're holding out hope on a
31:39
Speaker 1: lot of young guys on offense. I mean, Christian Watson
31:42
Speaker 1: never stays healthy. You know. Golden's just will see what
31:45
Speaker 1: he's got. I mean, he's definitely talented. When's how's Tucker
31:48
Speaker 1: Craft's you know, return from injury. Josh Jacobs is he
31:51
Speaker 1: just she actually made it up? It doesn't matter. I
31:56
Speaker 1: don't know. We'll see. I have to see how that
31:57
Speaker 1: plays out. But I got way more questions with Green
32:01
Speaker 1: Bay than I do with the Lions, just from a
32:04
Speaker 1: roster standpoint. Now that being said, the Packers have I'm
32:09
Speaker 1: forty one years old, I would say thirty plus years
32:13
Speaker 1: of those More than that, I would say thirty three
32:18
Speaker 1: years of those years that I've been on the planet,
32:21
Speaker 1: they've been good. So it's pretty rare that they're not good.
32:40
Speaker 1: Number eight, What the hell is gonna happen in the
32:42
Speaker 1: NFC South. I'm personally taking the Saints, Tyler Shuck, Kellen Moore,
32:48
Speaker 1: I mean, Brandon Staley. I'm gonna pick the Saints. But
32:53
Speaker 1: this division is kind of bizarre, right. You got Stefanski
32:57
Speaker 1: with Tua and Pennix out on them. You have the Panthers,
33:02
Speaker 1: who are dramatically improved. Their quarterback has had moments, but
33:07
Speaker 1: he's still five ten a buck ninety, you know. I
33:10
Speaker 1: mean it's hard for me just to, you know, bet
33:14
Speaker 1: the form on that guy. But their rosters good. Their
33:16
Speaker 1: draft was excellent, their offseason was excellent. They already had
33:19
Speaker 1: some good players. They hit on McMillan last year. It
33:22
Speaker 1: feels like they just got a stable operation going. Now.
33:25
Speaker 1: The Bucks still have a lot of good players, you know,
33:28
Speaker 1: But Todd's, let's face it, like there's some pressure on
33:31
Speaker 1: him this year. Rightfully so, and the Baker contract, Like Baker,
33:36
Speaker 1: you're not getting paid. He just went eight and nine.
33:38
Speaker 1: He didn't play that wellin I'm gonna give you one
33:40
Speaker 1: hundred fifty million dollars so that they're feels like the
33:44
Speaker 1: Bucks are in a little bit of a transitional period,
33:46
Speaker 1: which is healthy. Is Tyler Shuck? I mean, is there
33:51
Speaker 1: a chance at the end of the season Tyler Shuck
33:53
Speaker 1: has the best season of any of those quarterbacks in
33:55
Speaker 1: that division statistically? Definitely. Now there's gonna be a lot
33:59
Speaker 1: of pressure on Jordan In to play well, which can
34:02
Speaker 1: he stay on the field, which is a major question mark.
34:05
Speaker 1: But your guests as good as mine. I'm taking the Saints,
34:09
Speaker 1: but you could convince me any of the three Bucks
34:15
Speaker 1: or Carolina. I just can't see the Falcons. I really can't,
34:19
Speaker 1: especially when Dylan Gabriel is starting for them Week seven,
34:25
Speaker 1: number nine. Can the Cowboys defense just be solid? I
34:30
Speaker 1: think we underestimate just how shitty that unit was last year.
34:36
Speaker 1: Because if I give you a quarterback that throws sixty
34:40
Speaker 1: seven forty five hundred yards thirty touchdowns, like I bet
34:44
Speaker 1: our team's pretty solid and he's like a high level quarterback, well,
34:48
Speaker 1: I looked around at some of the stats. If their
34:52
Speaker 1: statistically are just in the middle, they're probably a playoff team,
34:57
Speaker 1: assuming their offense is good like it was last year.
35:00
Speaker 1: No team gave up more points than Dallas Cowboys. No
35:04
Speaker 1: team had a worse pass defense, Like if you can't
35:09
Speaker 1: stop the other team from scoring and you have no
35:12
Speaker 1: chance to cover a soul, and for a lot of
35:14
Speaker 1: the year they had no pass rush, you got no
35:18
Speaker 1: shot in this modern day NFL. So they bring in
35:22
Speaker 1: the dude from Philly who they added. Well, they got
35:25
Speaker 1: their captain of their defense in Caleb Downs. They added
35:30
Speaker 1: Lawrence the pass rusher. With their second pick, Quinnin Williams
35:36
Speaker 1: is gonna be on their team. He's a huge addition.
35:39
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys, if they can just be middle
35:42
Speaker 1: of the road, could win ten games. I think I'm
35:45
Speaker 1: gonna pick the Cowboys to be a wildcard team. I
35:46
Speaker 1: think most people are gonna pick the Giants. I'm gonna
35:48
Speaker 1: pick the Cowboys. Now. I'm betting on the defense improving dramatically.
35:53
Speaker 1: But you know what they say, when you're in a hole,
35:55
Speaker 1: drop the shovel, And it does feel like the Cowboys
35:57
Speaker 1: gotta drop the shovel. But you ultimately got to do it.
36:01
Speaker 1: This guy knows the division well, coming from the Eagles
36:04
Speaker 1: by all accounts, reading some of the quotes, you know
36:06
Speaker 1: that's coming out of cowboy practice, seems like it's a
36:08
Speaker 1: pretty impressive guy. And last, but not least, can we
36:16
Speaker 1: can seattle repeat? You know? Part of it is the
36:21
Speaker 1: market in the NFL landscape is a little under the radar.
36:26
Speaker 1: They once when they had Pete and they kind of loud,
36:29
Speaker 1: cocky team, you just couldn't avoid him. That's not really
36:33
Speaker 1: you know, Russell's just such a he was like an actor.
36:37
Speaker 1: That's not really Sam donald's deal. That's not really Mike
36:40
Speaker 1: McDonald's deal. Much more low key than Pete in terms
36:43
Speaker 1: of publicity and stuff. They're gonna be really good now
36:47
Speaker 1: you look at some of the stats, you know, down
36:49
Speaker 1: the stretch of their wins, like Kenneth Walker had some
36:52
Speaker 1: big plays, you know, even in the NFC Championship game.
36:55
Speaker 1: I think he ran for sixty three yards. I think
36:58
Speaker 1: he caught four balls for fifty yards. So they're gonna
37:01
Speaker 1: need price for Notre Dame to be a big impact player.
37:04
Speaker 1: It's one thing if you draft a guy like he
37:07
Speaker 1: was the backup. Now because love and battles some injuries,
37:09
Speaker 1: played a lot, and he's a big time returner. Gives
37:12
Speaker 1: them an explosive guy to go with Charbonnay. But their
37:16
Speaker 1: defense is gonna be elite. I mean, they have a
37:20
Speaker 1: coach that would not in a draft make it out
37:22
Speaker 1: of the top five. So you have an elite coach.
37:26
Speaker 1: You have a well above average quarterback at this point
37:30
Speaker 1: who's been down in big games and won them all time,
37:34
Speaker 1: back to back years of getting embarrassed at the end
37:36
Speaker 1: of the season and then coming back and kind of
37:39
Speaker 1: figuring it out. And he had some bumpy moments in
37:41
Speaker 1: the playoffs. But I would say sam Donold is one
37:44
Speaker 1: of those guys who's rooting against him. But defensively, they
37:48
Speaker 1: still got a lot of horses and you know JSN,
37:53
Speaker 1: their offensive line is good. I think the big question
37:57
Speaker 1: mark I have anytime that you do one of these,
38:01
Speaker 1: take an assistant from McVeigh, from Kyle, it's like, can
38:04
Speaker 1: this guy call plays? And it's one thing if he'd
38:09
Speaker 1: ben the offensive coordinator and you take him to be
38:11
Speaker 1: your head coach, you feel a little more confident, like
38:14
Speaker 1: this guy was tight end coach a couple of years ago.
38:17
Speaker 1: So I'm rooting for him. Seems like a great guy.
38:21
Speaker 1: Everyone speaks highly of him, seems like an intense guy.
38:25
Speaker 1: But you never know till you do it right. And
38:29
Speaker 1: the only way we find out if you can do
38:31
Speaker 1: it is you got to be put in the position
38:34
Speaker 1: you got a shot. And I think sometimes, you know,
38:37
Speaker 1: you could argue it is easier to get a shot
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Speaker 1: for a shitty team with no talent. A lot of
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Speaker 1: guys get fired there and never get another shot. So
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Speaker 1: you got you go to a team that opening night,
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Speaker 1: New England Patriots, Welcome to the show, Baby Wednesday. They're
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Speaker 1: gonna be thirty million people watching that game, so I
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Speaker 1: would probably not bet on them to repeat. But they're
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Speaker 1: gonna be good. They're gonna be really good, and if
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Speaker 1: Flurry's good, they would have a chance for sure. It's
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Speaker 1: a little offseason football time pretty good. You know, we
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Speaker 1: got just slow time. So I'm like, we need to
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Speaker 1: just be as about football. Let's let's do some lists,
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Speaker 1: let's do some questions. That's what we did that that
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Speaker 1: was enjoyable. The volume