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Finding the One True Light | Enneagram Three couple Eric and Meredith Schrotenboer · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

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SPEAKER_02: I'm really grateful that Eric is also a three because he understands my struggles.
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SPEAKER_02: He's my life witness.
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SPEAKER_02: And so he can see the red flag before I can.
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SPEAKER_02: Even though, yes, I'm a certified coach, I still fall into those default patterns.
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SPEAKER_02: And he is able to say, you know, okay, let's take a look at this.
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SPEAKER_02: And do we need to take a step back?
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SPEAKER_02: And so I appreciate so much having that same perspective and to just have that commonality has really been helpful.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm Amy Wix and you are listening to the Simply Whole Hearted Podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the fifth Advent season of the podcast created to help you prepare your heart with the joy of Christmas, expand your generosity, and find your traditions to help your family celebrate Jesus' birth.
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SPEAKER_01: If you've ever struggled with frustration, anxiety, and self-doubt, except fashion during the holidays, you need to know you are not alone.
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SPEAKER_01: I am here to help you navigate through the overwhelm with faith, enneagram, and sustainable and practical rhythms for your everyday life.
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SPEAKER_01: So listen along and see the fit stream those holiday lights, walk off those tasty treats, or drive around trying to find that perfect gift.
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SPEAKER_01: This week I've got more holiday inspiration from another dynamic duo.
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SPEAKER_01: And this time it's a married couple and they both happen to be Enneagram type threes.
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SPEAKER_01: I know, it really does happen.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, a few years back, Eric and Meredith Schoenenbohr were looking for a biblically sound tradition that would capture their two young children, but they couldn't find what they were looking for.
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SPEAKER_01: And what do two Enneagram type threes do when they can't find what they're looking for?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, they create it and then they share it with the rest of us.
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SPEAKER_01: I stumbled upon the Wandering Wiseman book and plush set on Instagram, and I knew this was something that I wanted to share with you all.
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SPEAKER_01: There is so much goodness in this conversation from Enneagram and marriage to the Christmas carols that you'll want to listen to every minute.
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SPEAKER_01: And also be sure to get a wandering Wiseman gift set for your own home, for your grandkids, your nieces, your nephews, or even for the kids' class at your church.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, Meredith and Eric, welcome to the podcast.
2:38
SPEAKER_01: Welcome to this Advent season.
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SPEAKER_01: I love this is the fifth annual advent season of the podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: I can't believe it.
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SPEAKER_01: Congratulations, baby.
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SPEAKER_01: That's huge.
2:47
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm having the time of my life.
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SPEAKER_01: I do need a little help in the admin department now.
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SPEAKER_01: It's getting out of control, but I love doing what I'm doing.
2:56
SPEAKER_00: It's always a good thing when you need help.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: So I would love both of you to give us a little glimpse in your window.
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SPEAKER_01: Like if we were being creepers and we were peeking in the window, what would we see?
3:08
SPEAKER_01: What's a little bit about your life and where are you and all those good things?
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that question.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So we're busy parents.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: We have sweet Marin and Judah.
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SPEAKER_02: Marin just turned six.
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SPEAKER_02: Judah just turned three.
3:24
SPEAKER_02: Oh, fun.
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SPEAKER_02: Which, you know, is just such a blast.
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SPEAKER_02: They have wonderful personalities and it's so fun to see them come out.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm also a morning news anchor and an Enneagram coach and Eric.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm a filmmaker.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, so I do a variety of types of films.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think if you look into our house, it can be totally peaceful and lovely, but it can also be totally crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: So I don't think there's a dull moment in your household.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's what I'm expecting to witness.
3:56
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's true.
3:57
SPEAKER_00: It's true.
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SPEAKER_00: But we have a lot of fun.
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SPEAKER_00: We do.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's awesome.
4:01
SPEAKER_01: Well, which begs the next question.
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SPEAKER_01: I have a little bit of behind the scenes knowledge, but I also have some guesses here.
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SPEAKER_01: Tell us a little bit about your Enneagram type.
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SPEAKER_01: Meredith, obviously, coach, it's a little side, quote unquote, side thing because being an Enneagram coach is no side thing.
4:16
SPEAKER_01: We know this.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, Amy, I like to call it one of my passion projects because I am so passionate about how this tool can help transform, can help elevate relationships, and can just do so much good.
4:32
SPEAKER_02: What I like to say about the Enneagram is that it helps us understand ourselves more so that we can love others better.
4:39
SPEAKER_02: And what's really cool about this is my Enneagram journey actually started with Eric's Enneagram journey because my first run-in with the Enneagram, I was at seminary.
4:49
SPEAKER_00: Uh I graduated from seminary a couple of years ago.
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SPEAKER_00: And my seminary really felt like it was important that they not only prepared pastors to know stuff, but also to be good people.
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SPEAKER_01: Brilliant.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, imagine that.
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SPEAKER_01: What a concept.
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SPEAKER_00: No, because pastors can be a crazy bunch, right?
5:08
SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I was a pastor's kid.
5:09
SPEAKER_00: So okay, yeah.
5:10
SPEAKER_01: I've got a long story I won't share today.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but sometimes pastors aren't that self-aware.
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SPEAKER_00: And so the seminary thought that this was important that we equip um pastors to not only help other people but be able to be healthy themselves.
5:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And so one of the things we did at seminary was an Enigram retreat.
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SPEAKER_00: We spent three days and just dug into the Enneagram and it changed my life because it explained everything.
5:35
SPEAKER_00: It explained, you know, you look you look back and you're like, oh, exactly.
5:39
SPEAKER_00: That's why.
5:39
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
5:40
SPEAKER_00: That makes sense.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's why I am the way I am.
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SPEAKER_00: And and so I introduced it to Meredith, and Meredith just hopped on board.
5:47
SPEAKER_00: And then Meredith got to attend a seminary Enneagram retreat, even though she wasn't a student, but they let her bonus a plus one.
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SPEAKER_00: So and so that was pretty special.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but then yeah, it's it's a tool that has really helped us in our marriage as parents.
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SPEAKER_02: Um every single relationship, no, like any percent any sphere that you're in relationship, whether it be at home, at work, at church, it is just so helpful.
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SPEAKER_02: And so yeah, I came away from that four-day retreat, feeling like, oh my goodness, I want the whole world to know about this tool because of how helpful it can be.
6:23
SPEAKER_02: And um, so that's when I decide to pursue becoming an Enneagram coach.
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SPEAKER_00: So the funny thing is we're both threes on the Enneagram.
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SPEAKER_02: No king.
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SPEAKER_01: Yep, that's amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but what's even more interesting is I'm a three-four and Meredith is a three-two.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So we have the same drive, but we're motivated by different things.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's fascinating in our house because we always have something going on and we realize that the Enneagram shows us the things we can work on.
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SPEAKER_00: That's one of the things we need to work on as a family is as threes, we're always achieving, we're always trying to do things, and we need to constantly remind ourselves to slow down and just enjoy.
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SPEAKER_00: But it's fascinating with the the wings and how different that is.
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SPEAKER_00: So Meredith is driven by um wanting people to like her.
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SPEAKER_02: People pleasing, people pleasing, yes, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm more driven by being special and different, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So we we both have a drive, but um, it's fascinating because sometimes our wings can collide a little bit, and absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's been an interesting thing to wow, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: That's super fun.
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SPEAKER_01: It is a rare, like, okay, so there's 45 marriage combinations out there when you spell it all out.
7:36
SPEAKER_01: And Beth and Jeff McCord have created a course for all of those, which can we just like give a nod to them?
7:41
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know how long that took, but that had to be in sense.
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SPEAKER_01: But all of that to say, in all of my coaching that I have done, I have yet to run into the same type couple.
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SPEAKER_01: I love getting this glimpse because some people have asked me, well, if my siblings are this type, could I really be that type too?
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SPEAKER_01: You know, different questions like that.
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SPEAKER_01: If I'm this type, could my husband also be this type?
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SPEAKER_01: But I love just hearing that insight plus the wings, it does make a difference.
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SPEAKER_01: We don't pay attention to that always.
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SPEAKER_01: I finally had a client recently go, okay, I think there might be some help if I could understand my ring wings, rings, wings.
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SPEAKER_01: Will you direct me to the, you know, help me figure it out?
8:23
SPEAKER_01: So it's also telling Eric, it makes sense the filmmaker, because the four has an ability to see things that the rest of us folks miss.
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SPEAKER_00: So interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that's what's interesting because we both kind of do the same thing for work.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I do more long form film and Meredith does news, which is daily turns.
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SPEAKER_00: So she's telling story every day.
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SPEAKER_00: And so it's it's fascinating, just the the different worlds of storytelling we're both in, but we both do very different things.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think part of that is because our wings are different.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm really grateful that Eric is also a three because he understands my struggles, he's my life witness, and so he can see the red flags before I can.
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SPEAKER_02: Even though, yes, I'm a certified coach, I still fall into those default patterns.
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SPEAKER_02: And he is able to say, you know, okay, let's take a look at this.
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SPEAKER_02: And do we need to take a step back?
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SPEAKER_02: And so I appreciate so much having that same perspective and to just have that commonality has really been helpful.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, I this is so cool.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, we probably could spend the whole entire conversation talking about this because I think it's fascinating.
9:35
SPEAKER_01: And to just to give some encouragement and a glimpse of what it would look like if you and your spouse both have awareness about your personality types and you take that time to dive into understanding about the other person because it's not just self, but it's other awareness.
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SPEAKER_01: And I can just see how that has really strengthened and enhanced your marriage.
9:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
9:56
SPEAKER_00: We find that when we get into arguments, it's usually not about the other person, it's usually we're working something else out in our own lives, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And yes, and the Enneagram has really helped us see in our own lives where we get hung up and what we struggle with and what we need and what our passions are.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's been a huge tool for us.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
10:17
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love it.
10:18
SPEAKER_01: This is so cool.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I want to get the scoop on the wandering wiseman and how that came about.
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SPEAKER_01: What is the story?
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SPEAKER_01: I bet this is going to be good.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think it's just really cool because knowing the superpowers of the Enneagram three, like it totally makes sense that you guys would do this.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just so fun.
10:38
SPEAKER_00: If we can't find a resource that we like, we make our own.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what that's what we do as business.
10:43
SPEAKER_01: And you tell the world.
10:44
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
10:45
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
10:45
SPEAKER_00: So I think that's where this started was um, I'm a Bible teacher as well.
10:50
SPEAKER_00: And so I get to take people to Israel and teach them about the land of the Bible and the uh sign me up.
10:56
SPEAKER_00: When's the next the culture and the context and the historical context?
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SPEAKER_00: And through our experiences and our study, we've realized how important that is to understanding the Bible and the different pictures that we get of the text.
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SPEAKER_00: And we don't teach our children the right pictures, so they grow up thinking the Bible is just a story.
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SPEAKER_00: And so we wanted to create a fictional story, right?
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SPEAKER_00: An imagination, because the pictures are all, you know, they're colorful and they're cute and they're they're fun.
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SPEAKER_00: But we want our children to realize that these stories took place in a real place at a real time, and they're real people.
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SPEAKER_00: And so we found that we couldn't find resources that actually were accurate.
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SPEAKER_00: And the wandering wise men started a two years ago.
11:43
SPEAKER_00: We were reading Christmas stories to our kids.
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SPEAKER_00: All the Christmas stories are the same, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody shows up at the manger on the same night, and sweet and clean, and and it was anything but right.
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SPEAKER_00: It was probably smelly and messy, and and the wise men could have come years later, and Jesus probably would have been a toddler at that point, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So these are all details that we miss when we just tell the simple Christmas story, but there's all these details that matter to the story and that we learn and are told to us in the Bible for a reason.
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SPEAKER_00: And so we decided we wanted to write a children's book that was more accurate.
12:23
SPEAKER_00: Um, but we also wanted to create a resource that the whole family could use.
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SPEAKER_00: So we wrote a children's book, a rhyming children's book that little kids we hope will love.
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SPEAKER_00: And then we created a 37-day devotional, family devotional, that we hope parents will learn something too.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, but that will also be relevant for children.
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SPEAKER_00: And then we created these three plush wise men toys that you can hide around the house, which is kind of the active part of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Um hopefully give kids an opportunity to find those if parents hide them around.
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SPEAKER_00: And then the whole idea is that we journey and we wander with the wise men as they search for what they've been looking for.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, we can also too search for Jesus in this season.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh man, that is fabulous.
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SPEAKER_01: What I think is so cool.
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SPEAKER_01: Here's the deal.
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SPEAKER_01: I really think we need to adopt a couple more kids because I need to then raise those kids on this tradition.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it's fabulous.
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SPEAKER_01: But uh, you kind of have live-in testing proof of this content.
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SPEAKER_01: So, you know, tell me a little bit of developing that with your kids and that experience.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was such a joy.
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SPEAKER_02: So Judah was our son was four months old when we started.
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SPEAKER_02: This whole thing started with the rhyme that then became a children's book, that then grew into this 37-day family devotional that starts on December 1, goes all the way through Epiphany on January 6th.
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SPEAKER_02: And so Marin was then three, three and a half.
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SPEAKER_02: So she would help us with the rhymes, right?
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SPEAKER_02: We talk about the Christmas story and the wise men.
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SPEAKER_02: And she had a blast helping us with rhyming words.
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SPEAKER_02: And as parents, Amy, you know, we love reading at bedtime stories that rhyme.
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SPEAKER_02: It's just fun to read and rhyme.
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SPEAKER_02: And so that's part of the reason we went with a rhyming sort of cadence.
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SPEAKER_02: And, you know, we believe the idea that limits great freedom.
14:13
SPEAKER_02: And with rhyming, you know, it's a style.
14:16
SPEAKER_02: And it was just a lot of fun to kind of tweak that.
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SPEAKER_02: And so, and now too, it's it's been two years since more than two years since we started writing it.
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SPEAKER_02: And now, you know, we're mailing shipping kits across the country to almost all 50 states already.
14:31
SPEAKER_02: We've had the product days, and so the kids are really excited now to, you know, haul the boxes from one truck to the living room, boxing stuff off, you know, shipping it out.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's been a real fun family endeavor.
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SPEAKER_01: And now both kids are probably really actively involved in finding the wise men every day.
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SPEAKER_01: I just want to point out there from the biblical perspective, I am a huge, like the Christian calendar is some of those beautiful limits, right?
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SPEAKER_01: It's such a beautiful guideline of how to, and I'm a big person of rhythm anyway, but to follow those traditions and fathers of the faith and how it just sets up these things that bring so much life to us.
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SPEAKER_01: But the idea that you would start December 1st and go to the day of epiphany because, well, one, I always like one more because I'm a seven, I always want one more of any celebration, but to follow that fullness of going to the day of epiphany, which I think is significant when we invite or we accept the invitation that the Lord gives us to follow that, but to bring that about in our kids in a fun way is I it's just so cool.
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SPEAKER_01: I love it.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a way to go.
15:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no one wants Christmas to end on December 25.
15:41
SPEAKER_00: No, no, you now have permission to keep your tree up until um January 7th, the day after.
15:48
SPEAKER_01: Like it, like it.
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SPEAKER_01: Um it usually inadvertently happens simply because it might be naked, but you know, who wants to haul it to the curb?
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SPEAKER_00: That's right.
15:56
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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SPEAKER_01: So, what are some of your best hiding places?
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SPEAKER_01: Do you tell us?
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SPEAKER_01: Because I know this is always and I can't help but ask, do they ever get in into mischief or do they just hide?
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SPEAKER_00: Because you know the wandering wise man is uh is an all can be an alternative to the elf on the shelf.
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SPEAKER_00: It can be in addition to elf on the shelf.
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SPEAKER_00: We've heard um people tell us that the wise men will become friends with the elf when we created this.
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SPEAKER_00: Was that maybe these wise men would just hide because that's a lot of work to put to put work.
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SPEAKER_00: So, what was something that could be really simple, that could be really fun.
16:36
SPEAKER_00: We've had have feedbacks, so the um the the hands of the wise men are connected, so there is an opportunity for people to put like treats in there, like they can hold treats, right?
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SPEAKER_02: But no pressure, because what we're you know, what we've heard is that you know, some parents have exhaustion when it comes to off on the shelf, and we get that, and so it really is all about what the family wants to make it to be, yeah, because no pressure, right?
17:04
SPEAKER_02: What's been so fun, Amy, is some people have shared unboxing videos when their kids have actually opened these for the first time and seeing these little ones grab these stuffies and just love on them is so fun.
17:16
SPEAKER_02: And so if a family decides that they're just gonna be a little lovey to sleep with at night, that's fine.
17:22
SPEAKER_02: If they want to put them up on the mantle, that's fine.
17:25
SPEAKER_02: If they want to like hide them in the the Christmas tree, that's fine.
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SPEAKER_02: No pressure.
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SPEAKER_02: It's all about this whole resource is all about helping families engage with the Christmas story in new and meaningful ways.
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SPEAKER_02: So, what does that look like for your family?
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SPEAKER_02: If that means hiding them, you know, tucking them under the covers of the spare bedroom, what have you, so the kids actually have to hunt and find them, great.
17:47
SPEAKER_02: If that means setting them on the stair steps, great.
17:50
SPEAKER_02: It's whatever works best for your family.
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SPEAKER_00: I think the the what we really wanted to try and do was give people the feeling of wandering with the wise men, right?
17:59
SPEAKER_00: A lot of people already do this, but they take their nativity sets and they put the wise men on the other side of the house, right?
18:05
SPEAKER_00: To symbolize that they're on a journey and that they show up later.
18:08
SPEAKER_00: But I think this idea of being on a journey is is something that we can all grasp and being on an adventure.
18:15
SPEAKER_00: And and so this idea that we're all moving towards Jesus and that this is a time that we can do that as a family, we're hoping is pretty special.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: So if we can capture the idea of wandering, um, because in the in the children's book, the wise men are wandering um and they're looking for something, right?
18:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they don't quite know what they're looking for, but once they find Jesus, once they meet Jesus, they know that they found it.
18:40
SPEAKER_00: You know, one of one of the lines is that they found what their hearts are searching for.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: The wise men wander no more because they found what their hearts are have been longing for.
18:48
SPEAKER_00: So I think you know, if we can communicate that to our children, that's the whole goal is Jesus loves you, and that we can wander and we can ask questions and we can search, but ultimately Jesus is waiting there and he loves you so much.
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SPEAKER_00: And um, so I think that that's the idea.
19:03
SPEAKER_00: So, however parents decide they want to use the stuffies to communicate the idea of wandering together, is great.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: And we're excited to see how people do it.
19:13
SPEAKER_00: Like, that's one of the that's one of the really fun things about making and creating a resource like this is we're starting to see pictures of people actually using it, and that that just brings us such joy because people will come up with ideas and use them in ways that we never would have thought of, and that's what's really fun.
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SPEAKER_02: Amy, we've heard from churches that like people are hiding them in their church, and so the whole church is on a hunt for the wise men.
19:39
SPEAKER_02: Um, I love it.
19:40
SPEAKER_02: We've seen pictures of kids reading to the wise men, they're reading the children's book, and the wise men are all set up as the as the audience.
19:47
SPEAKER_00: A middle school is they're doing it for chapel, and then they're hiding the wise men around the school.
19:52
SPEAKER_00: And you think about middle schoolers, that's kind of cool.
19:56
SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking, okay, so I don't have the younger kids anymore, but I teach at a local private school, and my kids go to it.
20:04
SPEAKER_01: I think I need to gift those uh K through three teachers this little gift so they can incorporate it.
20:12
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
20:13
SPEAKER_01: Oh, this is so cool.
20:14
SPEAKER_01: I would there's so many things there.
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SPEAKER_01: I could totally see that four-wing show up and the deeper meaning and the beauty of it, uh, just so profound.
20:23
SPEAKER_01: I think if I were an elf on the shelf person and I was sick of the mischief or the naughtiness of elf on the shelf, I think I would create a scenario where the wise men converts the elf, and then therefore he's no longer getting into mischief.
20:38
SPEAKER_01: So there you go.
20:39
SPEAKER_01: There's another use.
20:40
SPEAKER_00: They can take the elf on the journey with him.
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SPEAKER_00: He can carry some bags, some murder, some gold, some exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: Load him up.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: Oh, here we go.
20:50
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so we've got a couple of rapid fire questions here that will just be fun as we wrap up.
20:55
SPEAKER_01: But where can people?
20:56
SPEAKER_01: Because I am confident that my friends listening are going, okay, well, maybe I don't have younger kids, but now all of a sudden I'm gonna gift my grandkids, or I'm gonna gift the school, or maybe my church.
21:07
SPEAKER_01: Where can they find this great resource and great gift?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the best place to go is our website, thewanderingwiseman.com.
21:16
SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, I think we can remember that.
21:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, hopefully it's easy to remember, but there's a um place to order a set on and to learn more about the product, learn more about us.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: And um, if you have questions, there's a way to get a hold of us on the website as well.
21:30
SPEAKER_00: So that's probably the best place to go.
21:32
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
21:33
SPEAKER_01: That'll be so good.
21:34
SPEAKER_01: And I know I'm definitely releasing this conversation and plenty of time to order your gift set.
21:41
SPEAKER_01: But even if you hear about this, oh, a week and two to December, it's not too late.
21:45
SPEAKER_01: Like we said, this goes through the day of epiphany.
21:47
SPEAKER_01: Start it, get it.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: I think you'll find it as one of your highlights.
21:50
SPEAKER_00: Yes, even if you start a few days late.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: We're we're hearing from people that they're reading the whole devotional through in one shot, too.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: So you can use it however you want.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Love it.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: Well, you can certainly read the children's book on one shot.
22:02
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, definitely an easy win there.
22:07
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
22:08
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
22:08
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
22:08
SPEAKER_01: So, rapid fire question number one.
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SPEAKER_01: What is your favorite Christmas Carol?
22:14
SPEAKER_00: That's a good question.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: Yes, I'm gonna go with Carol the Bells.
22:17
SPEAKER_02: I think it's so beautiful.
22:19
SPEAKER_02: Oh, well, it's tied with Joy to the World, Amy.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: I love Joy to the World.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: My favorite one is what child is this?
22:26
SPEAKER_01: No kidding.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
22:28
SPEAKER_01: Amy, how about you?
22:29
SPEAKER_01: What's your favorite?
22:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Carol the Bells.
22:32
SPEAKER_01: I feel the same way.
22:33
SPEAKER_01: It's just so fun.
22:34
SPEAKER_01: And then the entirety of the 1983 Amy Grant Christmas album.
22:39
SPEAKER_01: True.
22:39
SPEAKER_01: I've pretty much been hearing it since 1983 when I was four.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: That's our Christmas, is Amy Grant.
22:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: Amy Grant can come to Christmas with all of our family.
22:50
SPEAKER_01: I know that tender Tennessee Christmas, nothing like it.
22:55
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's good.
22:56
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
22:57
SPEAKER_01: Favorite Christmas tradition, besides the wandering wiseman, of course, because we've covered that well.
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SPEAKER_00: That's that's our favorite for sure.
23:04
SPEAKER_00: Um for me, it's getting the Christmas tree.
23:07
SPEAKER_00: It's a big it's a big deal every year.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: Grandma makes cookies, chocolate chip cookies, or chocolate sprinkle cookies.
23:14
SPEAKER_00: And it's kind of we try to do at the same time, the day after Christmas.
23:18
SPEAKER_02: The day after Thanksgiving.
23:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Thanksgiving, the Friday after Thanksgiving.
23:22
SPEAKER_02: We load up the vehicles, drive out to a country Christmas tree farm, and cut down a live tree.
23:29
SPEAKER_02: And that's one of our favorite traditions.
23:32
SPEAKER_02: The house smells like fresh pine, and um like it.
23:36
SPEAKER_02: I'm never ready for the season, season to end.
23:38
SPEAKER_02: And so uh really glad that we will definitely be keeping ours out through Epiphany.
23:43
SPEAKER_02: Yes, you and me both.
23:46
SPEAKER_01: What's your favorite?
23:47
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you're so sweet.
23:48
SPEAKER_01: Well, I kind of the same thing, right?
23:50
SPEAKER_01: Those staple things.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: My husband jokes.
23:52
SPEAKER_01: So my husband's an arborist, which means he cuts, trims trees, he also does the planting.
23:58
SPEAKER_01: But his and his degree was in forestry.
24:00
SPEAKER_01: So we when we got married or before he jokes about that part of the prenuptials was that we would have a real Christmas tree every year.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, that's it.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: I'm booted out.
24:12
SPEAKER_01: So I we definitely that fresh pine and everything.
24:16
SPEAKER_01: I hear it's gonna be a little harder to get this year, but where there is a will, there is a way.
24:21
SPEAKER_01: So we will be getting that fresh Christmas tree.
24:23
SPEAKER_00: So I love it.
24:26
SPEAKER_01: Well, guys, this has been so much fun, so wonderful.
24:30
SPEAKER_01: And I have just so much anticipation about how the Lord wants to grow this and just your heart and your vision for this, the beautiful message that I mean, this is our job.
24:40
SPEAKER_01: This is our responsibility as parents, what you have outlined here to instill the real story.
24:45
SPEAKER_01: And we do have the pressure to get a little bit more creative.
24:48
SPEAKER_01: And I think this is a beautiful, creative, fun way to incorporate the truth of the gospel.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: So thanks for what you've done.
24:55
SPEAKER_00: You bet.
24:56
SPEAKER_00: Well, thanks for letting us talk about it.
24:58
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, it was my joy.
25:02
SPEAKER_01: Now, wasn't that so fun?
25:04
SPEAKER_01: I really enjoy getting to know Eric and Meredith, and I imagine there will be a lot more to come from this amazing couple.
25:11
SPEAKER_01: If you haven't already, check out the links in my show notes for the Wandering Wiseman book and plush set and their Instagram account so you can share this new tradition with your friends.
25:20
SPEAKER_01: If you wander with the Wiseman this season, please tag me at wholehearted Enneagram or at WanderingWiseman so we can follow along and join in your fun.
25:32
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25:37
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25:42
SPEAKER_01: Your support of this podcast is one of the best gifts that you could give to me this season.
25:48
SPEAKER_01: Now, next week I have a new friend for you to meet who has a passion to change the world one gift at a time.
25:54
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26:02
SPEAKER_01: Not only are we going to chat about how to maximize our impact this holiday season, but we're also going to hear an amazing story about whales.
26:11
SPEAKER_01: And why whales?
26:12
SPEAKER_01: Well, because our other full time job is a tour guide in Hawaii.
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SPEAKER_01: Until next time, friends, and continue to pursue perspective, purpose, and plans for a wholehearted advent season.