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Confronting the Truth About Ourselves and Our Leaders · That KEVIN Show

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  Speaker 1: 10, 3, 2, 1. Somewhere in the bowels of the
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  Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough, radio host with Salem Media.
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  Speaker 5: And now, from the Connors & Sullivan Broadcast Studios, the
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome in Kevin McCullough. Glad to have you with us.
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  Speaker 4: It is a Friday. And so we've got a lot
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  Speaker 4: to get to and thank you to those of you
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  Speaker 4: that are with us every day. Uh, this has been
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  Speaker 4: a great week with how do we live and what
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  Speaker 4: we've looked at by way of Matthew 11. Also been
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  Speaker 4: an interesting week news wise, and the news is not
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  Speaker 4: calming down at all. In fact, we've got a lot
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  Speaker 4: of incidents that we're going to have to address on
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  Speaker 4: today's show. Um, one of which I just want to
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  Speaker 4: start in my home city here in New York yesterday,
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  Speaker 4: around four o'clock in the afternoon, um, law enforcement agents
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  Speaker 4: showed up at a place where a man who was
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  Speaker 4: here illegally was to be taken into custody. He had
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  Speaker 4: the opportunity to go peacefully and, Something happened to the
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  Speaker 4: degree that he chose not to, and he ended up
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  Speaker 4: getting shot by law enforcement officers, and he ended up
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  Speaker 4: spending the night at the hospital, and he's expected to
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  Speaker 4: make a full recovery. But he is not in the
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  Speaker 4: custody of New York State or New York City. He
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  Speaker 4: is in the custody of the federal authorities because he
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  Speaker 4: is not supposed.
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  Speaker 7: To be here.
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  Speaker 4: And in his time in being here, he has committed
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  Speaker 4: grand larceny and had previous arrests for assault, robbery, drug possession,
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  Speaker 4: and weapons charges. He also has ties to the Trinitarios gang,
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  Speaker 4: which I'm not familiar with that gang. I'm not familiar
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  Speaker 4: with where they're from or who it is.
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  Speaker 7: But the mayor.
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  Speaker 4: Last night, instead of saying to the law-abiding people of
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  Speaker 4: New York City, law enforcement is here to assist us.
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  Speaker 4: They are helping us protect this city. They are taking
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  Speaker 4: people out that are dangerous. He instead said that he
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  Speaker 4: demanded that President Trump and all ICE enforcement And then
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  Speaker 4: he said some other things that further encouraged more protests
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  Speaker 4: and confrontations with additional law enforcement, some of which were his, NYPD, later.
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  Speaker 7: In the evening.
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  Speaker 4: The mayor said he urged the president to have the
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  Speaker 4: man released, an effort that was unsuccessful, and he said
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  Speaker 4: that New York City wants ICE agents out. This is
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  Speaker 4: what the mayor said. All they do is terrorize this city.
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  Speaker 4: That's he speaking of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Law
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  Speaker 4: enforcement officers, whose charge and deputization comes from the federal authorities,
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  Speaker 4: not the state and not the city, but the feds.
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  Speaker 4: Mamdani also accused ICE of acting with impunity and spreading
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  Speaker 4: chaos and terror across the country, alleging that ICE has
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  Speaker 4: killed more people than it has saved. That's a provably
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  Speaker 4: false statement. He said today's shooting is only further devastating
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  Speaker 4: confirmation of what we've known, long known. Ice is rotten
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  Speaker 4: to its core, he added. Mamdani also confirmed that the
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  Speaker 4: man who was shot had been transported out of the
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  Speaker 4: hospital by ICE agents. So he was doing well enough
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  Speaker 4: to be able to leave. The governor also spoke to
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  Speaker 4: the president and then posted that she spoke to President
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  Speaker 4: Trump and DHS Secretary Mullen about the shooting. She said,
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  Speaker 4: Governor Hochul? I join you in that request. Let's put
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  Speaker 4: the body camera footage out to the public. Let's see
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  Speaker 4: what happened in this incident. And the reason that I
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  Speaker 4: say that is because in the two incidents in which
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  Speaker 4: people were shot in Minnesota, those people that were involved there,
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  Speaker 4: a story came out to the press that was painted
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  Speaker 4: in a certain manner that And then when you actually
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  Speaker 4: got the videotape and you actually understood what was happening,
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  Speaker 4: the complete opposite was happening. They weren't just peaceful protesters
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  Speaker 4: that were the one guy was actively trying to kick
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  Speaker 4: police officers, law enforcement officers and their vehicles and damage
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  Speaker 4: their vehicles. And the woman who was shot was instructed
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  Speaker 4: to get out of her car. by law enforcement, which,
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  Speaker 4: and she has to do that. And she instead chose
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  Speaker 4: to drive away. That's always the wrong choice. I tell
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  Speaker 4: my children, I have a Haitian son. I have American
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  Speaker 4: born children. It doesn't matter the color of their skin.
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  Speaker 4: I tell them all the time. If the police officer
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  Speaker 4: asks you to do something, you comply. And if you
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  Speaker 4: feel like you're treated wrongly in the process, then we
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  Speaker 4: have recourse for that afterwards. But at the time, as
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  Speaker 4: a law-abiding citizen, you abide by the law being enforced
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  Speaker 4: at the time. This is a no-brainer in a lawful society.
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  Speaker 4: The problem here is that you have mixed messages coming
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  Speaker 4: from those who enforce the law. The only ones sowing
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  Speaker 4: chaos into the culture as it pertains to the lawful
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  Speaker 4: presence of criminals in our cities are people like Mayor Mamdani.
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  Speaker 7: And Governor Hochul.
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  Speaker 4: And because they choose to live in that confusion and
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  Speaker 4: to promote that chaos by sending the next message that
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  Speaker 4: you don't really have to obey the law, The law
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  Speaker 4: is just kind of a suggestion. It's just kind of
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  Speaker 4: something we do. It's not really law. Because they do that,
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  Speaker 4: people don't know how they should respond. In the McCullough House,
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  Speaker 4: it is clear. We are not confused in the McCullough House.
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  Speaker 4: In the McCullough House, the McCullough children will obey the law.
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  Speaker 4: and law enforcement. And because they will, and do so
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  Speaker 4: in a glad spirit and in a kind fashion, regardless
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  Speaker 4: of the color of their skin, the likelihood that they
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  Speaker 4: will end up in some sort of scenario in which
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  Speaker 4: they will be hurt will.
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  Speaker 7: Be next to impossible.
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  Speaker 4: If you actually look at the statistics of how many
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  Speaker 4: people law enforcement actually shoot and or kill in the
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  Speaker 4: line of duty on any given year, it is so
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  Speaker 4: minuscule across the country in terms of the percentages. These
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  Speaker 4: elected leaders want to make you think that law enforcement's
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  Speaker 4: out of control and we need to defund police and
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  Speaker 4: get rid of ICE. No, what we need are elected
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  Speaker 4: leaders who will obey the law themselves. Kevin McCullough coming
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  Speaker 4: right back.
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  Speaker 8: Bye. Bye.
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  Speaker 9: From New York, that Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 4: All right, welcome to the Friday edition. Kevin McCullough, glad
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  Speaker 4: to have you with us. Thank you for spending the
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  Speaker 4: week with us. Looking forward to wrapping it up strong today.
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  Speaker 4: Lots of news to talk about, lots of guests. But
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  Speaker 4: before we do anything else, you know that the focus
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  Speaker 4: that I like to start with is where do we go?
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  Speaker 4: How do we live in a culture that is seemingly
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  Speaker 4: at odds with God, with truth, with scripture, with... people
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  Speaker 4: that hold to those things dearly. What are we supposed
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  Speaker 4: to do? How are we supposed to live if we
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  Speaker 4: believe those things personally? And the answer this week has been.
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  Speaker 7: The same.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter if the culture opposes us or not.
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  Speaker 4: Our calling stays the same. And so glad to have
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  Speaker 4: Pastor Bill Bailey with us. He's the teaching pastor, lead pastor,
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  Speaker 4: senior pastor at Journey by Grace Church there in Rostraver, Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 4: just outside the Pittsburgh area. And he's been there for
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  Speaker 4: a little while. I think he'll figure this out one
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  Speaker 4: of these days, but 52 years. And Bill, it's been
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  Speaker 4: such a joy to have you with us. And I'm
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  Speaker 4: so grateful for pastors every week that take a full
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  Speaker 4: week out of their busy schedule and share with us
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  Speaker 4: each day.
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  Speaker 7: It's been very....
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  Speaker 4: Insightful and convicting for me most of these conversations that
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  Speaker 4: we have. So thank you for doing that. And if
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  Speaker 4: people are in your area this Sunday, how do they
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  Speaker 4: find you? And if they want to come worship with
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  Speaker 4: you guys, where do they go?
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  Speaker 8: Well, the best way, I guess, would be to Google
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  Speaker 8: Journey by Grace. And we're right on a main line
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  Speaker 8: that travels south out of Pittsburgh. And it's easy to find.
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  Speaker 8: Very easy.
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  Speaker 7: All right. What time?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, two services, Sunday morning, 9 and 1045.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, then I hope that if people are in the area,
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  Speaker 4: they will stop in. Bill, we've been looking at a
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  Speaker 4: very well-known passage. Again, I say this yesterday. There are
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  Speaker 4: phrases of these verses that we've looked at that you've
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  Speaker 4: probably heard people say many, many times. Come unto me,
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  Speaker 4: all that you labor and are heavy laden. I'll give
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  Speaker 4: you rest. Take my yoke upon you.
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  Speaker 7: Learn of me.
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  Speaker 4: You'll find rest for your souls. My yoke is easy.
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  Speaker 4: My burden is light. These are these have been, I think,
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  Speaker 4: Sunday schoolified for a lot of us for the majority
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  Speaker 4: of our Christian walk. But you've helped us kind of
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  Speaker 4: peel the onion layers back a little bit better this week.
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  Speaker 7: And it really has.
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  Speaker 4: Revealed the work of grace in the life of the
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  Speaker 4: believer and Jesus's work of grace on the cross. So
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  Speaker 4: where do we end this discussion today?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: All right. Well, Kevin, we've been talking all week about
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  Speaker 8: God's amazing grace, His life-transforming grace. So I thought it
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  Speaker 8: would be helpful to talk about the way grace works
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  Speaker 8: in our life. Excellent. And the way grace works is
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  Speaker 8: always in harmony with truth. For example, the Bible says
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  Speaker 8: of Jesus in John's Gospel, chapter 1, verse 14, it
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  Speaker 8: says of Jesus, he was full of grace and truth.
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  Speaker 8: In other words, he fully embodied a life of grace,
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  Speaker 8: a life of truth, and needless to say, he did
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  Speaker 8: it with absolute perfection. And really, that's the goal that
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  Speaker 8: God has for all of us as followers of Jesus.
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  Speaker 8: We need a commitment to live a by God's supernatural
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  Speaker 8: grace support, while at the same time, we are willingly
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  Speaker 8: being submissive to the truth of God's Word. And needless
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  Speaker 8: to say, this is a huge challenge, especially living in
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  Speaker 8: the kind of world that we're presently living in, 2026.
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  Speaker 8: I remember back in the 1970s when I began a
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  Speaker 8: career in public ministry. The big issue back in those
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  Speaker 8: days was, is the resurrection event really true? Did Jesus
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  Speaker 8: really come alive from the dead? Is that a truth? Well,
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  Speaker 8: if you fast forward now 50 plus years, the issue
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  Speaker 8: today has changed. We're now asking, is there really such
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  Speaker 8: a thing as truth? And frankly, it seems like the
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  Speaker 8: majority of people in American culture are saying no to
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  Speaker 8: that question. In fact, what people are actually saying is
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  Speaker 8: that truth is relative to the individual. In other words,
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  Speaker 8: you need to determine what is right, what is wrong,
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  Speaker 8: what is good, what is bad. You need to determine
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  Speaker 8: truth based on how you feel in regard to whatever
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  Speaker 8: particular issue, which means then, of course, that everything is subjective.
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  Speaker 8: And subjectivity, I think, is driving American culture today. It's
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  Speaker 8: what we call in our time the issue of moral
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  Speaker 8: and spiritual relativism. For example, truth in the world today
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  Speaker 8: is said to be constructed by us. We create it.
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  Speaker 8: It's subjective in us and relative to us and always situational.
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  Speaker 8: And those are the criteria that a lot of people,
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  Speaker 8: the majority, seem to be living by. And the world
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  Speaker 8: around us is actually pressuring all of us to believe this.
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  Speaker 8: And we Christians are the bad guy because we're not
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  Speaker 8: willing to buy into this, what is really nonsense. 73%
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  Speaker 8: of mainline Protestant denominations believe say there is no such
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  Speaker 8: thing as absolute truth. All truth is negotiable. And it
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  Speaker 8: goes even into other groups. 68% of our Catholic friends
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  Speaker 8: say no to truth being absolute. 53% of people who
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  Speaker 8: attend evangelical churches have concluded the Bible is insightful, but
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  Speaker 8: not absolute in every situation. For me personally, this is scary,
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  Speaker 8: thinking that my kids and grandkids are going to grow
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  Speaker 8: up in this subjective culture. It can be very dangerous,
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  Speaker 8: to say the least. And yet, in light of all
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  Speaker 8: of this, there is, yes, this is bad news, but
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  Speaker 8: I have some good news as well. As Christians, we
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  Speaker 8: have to always remember God. that we don't need to
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  Speaker 8: fall to the schemes of darkness. The truth is we
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  Speaker 8: have a north star to keep us centered, to keep
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  Speaker 8: us stable and moving always in the right direction. And
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  Speaker 8: our north star, I would suggest, is this. Jesus said,
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  Speaker 8: I am the way, the truth, and the life. And
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  Speaker 8: no one comes to the Father except through me. And
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  Speaker 8: then that statement being made, he backs it up by
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  Speaker 8: showing us an empty tomb. The amazing confirmation, validation of
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  Speaker 8: the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. In closing,
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  Speaker 8: perhaps this is a good way to wrap it up.
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  Speaker 8: Jesus also said in John's Gospel, chapter 8, verse 31,
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  Speaker 8: He said, If you abide in my word, if you
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  Speaker 8: live your life in my word, you are my disciples indeed.
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  Speaker 8: In other words, you are validating who you are, and
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  Speaker 8: you are in the path of discipleship. And then He says,
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  Speaker 8: And you shall know the truth and the truth. will
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  Speaker 8: make you free. And it does, as millions of Christians
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  Speaker 8: can attest. There is real freedom to become everything God
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  Speaker 8: has created us to be if we're willing to yield
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  Speaker 8: our life over to the Lord Jesus Christ and live
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  Speaker 8: in His plan, draw upon His grace, and to live
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  Speaker 8: our life on the basis of of the amazing truth
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  Speaker 8: of Scripture. I know in my personal life, the bondages
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  Speaker 8: that I came out of as a young man, and
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  Speaker 8: finally when I met a brother on the street at
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  Speaker 8: the age of 22, I heard and understood for the
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  Speaker 8: first time the gospel. And the gospel was... it was
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  Speaker 8: absolutely revolutionary in my personal life. And I've seen it
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  Speaker 8: work in the lives of thousands of people over the years.
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  Speaker 8: So we're grateful for this North Star.
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  Speaker 7: We are. And Bill, what a great thought to end on.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for a great week of challenging us in
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  Speaker 4: our thinking and pray that God will be with the
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  Speaker 4: journey and the congregation this weekend as you worship Journey
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  Speaker 4: by Grace congregation, and thank you for spending and sharing
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  Speaker 4: part of your heart with us.
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  Speaker 7: We appreciate it.
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  Speaker 8: Sure. It's been my pleasure, believe me.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Kevin McCullough, we've got another great show for you, friends.
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  Speaker 7: Don't go anywhere. Coming right back.
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  Speaker 9: Stick around for more of That Kevin. From New York,
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  Speaker 9: that Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Kevin McCullough, glad to have you with us.
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  Speaker 4: Final few minutes of hour one as we are wrapping
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  Speaker 4: up the week on the radio. And, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: started the hour out with my thoughts on what the
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  Speaker 4: mayor and the governor said in their immediate reactions to
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  Speaker 4: the situation in New York. And, and I, I, I
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  Speaker 4: stand by that. I, I believe that they are causing
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  Speaker 4: the chaos and the confusion through not following their own
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  Speaker 4: laws that then create the dangerous situation that mayor Mamdani
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  Speaker 4: is going to go, you know, pound a podium about. Um,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you follow Britt Hughes on Instagram,
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  Speaker 4: but if you don't, you should. She is a woman
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  Speaker 4: filled with common sense. But I find her perspective interesting
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  Speaker 4: as a mom and as someone who has some common
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  Speaker 4: sense about this stuff.
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  Speaker 7: Take a listen.
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  Speaker 6: What happened today was an outrage. ICE agents surrounded the
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  Speaker 6: man's vehicle before opening fire. When ICE agents opened fire,
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  Speaker 6: a five-year-old child... A five-year-old was in the backseat of
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  Speaker 6: the car. I had been on the phone with President
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  Speaker 6: Trump and Secretary Mullen negotiating the release of the man
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  Speaker 6: ICE agents shot. Those negotiations were unsuccessful.
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  Speaker 11: He was an illegal alien gangbanger from the D.R. He
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  Speaker 11: was a criminal who had already been arrested previously. New
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  Speaker 11: York City for grand larceny, assault, robbery, possession of drugs,
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  Speaker 11: and weapons charges. But they let him go because God
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  Speaker 11: forbid we lock a dangerous person up in prison or
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  Speaker 11: kick an illegal alien criminal out of the country.
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  Speaker 10: Wouldn't want to do that. He resisted federal officers.
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  Speaker 11: He got shot.
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  Speaker 10: ICE had no idea that this kid.
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  Speaker 11: Was even in the car, which by the way really
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  Speaker 11: amounts to a hill of beans because being a dad
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  Speaker 11: doesn't get you out of being arrested as an illegal
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  Speaker 11: alien criminal. And And none of which would have even happened,
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  Speaker 11: by the way, if New York City had turned this
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  Speaker 11: guy over to ICE when they first arrested him in 2023.
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  Speaker 10: But they don't.
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  Speaker 11: So ICE has to go out on the streets to
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  Speaker 11: get these guys.
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  Speaker 10: And then stuff like this is what happens.
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  Speaker 11: But, you know, if I'm being perfectly honest with you,
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  Speaker 11: it makes sense that a Hamas sympathizer would feel bad
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  Speaker 11: for the violent gangbanger who hid behind a kid because
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  Speaker 11: that's pretty much your M.O.
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  Speaker 4: That is what that is exactly what what happens. And
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  Speaker 4: that's exactly what Hamas did. Britt has a very valid point.
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  Speaker 4: And the fact that he has been so unrelentingly anti-Semitic
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  Speaker 4: in his response to October 7th and 9-11 and Israel
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  Speaker 4: in general, the fact that he repeats the lies of
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  Speaker 4: a genocide taking place in Gaza, which I have demonstrated
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  Speaker 4: on this show that there's no evidence of, there's zero
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  Speaker 4: evidence of, you know what the word genocide means, right? It's, it's,
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  Speaker 4: you're trying to wipe out an entire ethnic race of people.
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  Speaker 4: You're not just killing bad guys that are trying to
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: kill you. You're, you're trying to wipe out every living
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: person of that ethnicity. And there is zero proof that
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: there is any genocide going on in Gaza. It's just
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: the willingness of these less than honest people to inject
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: that kind of vitriol into the discussion. And I'm trying
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: to figure out what good it does anybody. How does
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: it work out for anybody's welfare to when you insist
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: that what is happening is a systemic murder of all
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: people of a certain race, and there's no evidence to
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: back that up. You've heard numbers in recent months about
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: how many supposed innocent people were killed in Gaza, and
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: they got silly. They got ridiculously huge. 80,000, 100,000, 200,000,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: a half million. I've heard crazy numbers. Gaza's own health
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: ministry said in 2025, 24,000 people died total. That's from
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: all forms of death, including disease and heart attacks and
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: cancer and accidents and everything. Yes, it also includes the
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: war deaths, but 24,000 for the entire year. That's about
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: 2000 people a month over the course of the year.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: We have way more than that that die every day
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: in the United States. So this is nonsense. What they
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: are trying to perpetuate is nonsense. There is no genocide.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: ICE is not hurting innocent Americans. They're not hurting innocent immigrants.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: This man resisted arrest. He's a hardened criminal with a
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: rap sheet longer than my arm. And he did the
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: one thing you shouldn't do, which is disobey law enforcement
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: direct instructions. It's not hard to figure out.
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: I don't know why the mayor.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: And the governor of New York and some other places
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: insist on trying to twist the truth. Because the truth is,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: if you do let these people stay, bad things happen
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: to the population that are here. Mamdani said that ICE
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: have killed more people than they've helped. That is categorically false.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: First of all, ICE have killed very few people. The
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: deaths that have happened in the carrying out of the
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: ICE investigation action points are very small. We have removed
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: hundreds of thousands of illegal criminals in the last two years.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Hundreds of thousands. You can count the deaths on one hand,
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: and they've always come from people that were resisting. Kevin McCullough,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: we've got a lot more to get to. Christine Nicholas
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: joins me next.
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: Is from new york that kevin kevin mccullough.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: All right welcome back it's that kevin show that kevin
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: show.com and if you're listening if you're if you're uh
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: in the new york area tonight you can turn on
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: my flagship station am 970 the answer at just a
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: little after seven o'clock And you'll hear my next guest
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: with me talking about all kinds of fun treasures to
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: do this weekend and in the weeks to come if
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: you're coming to New York. And by the way, I
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: want those of you listening outside of the city to
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: think of that, because if you're planning a trip to
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: the city for any time in the next 60 days,
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: listening to our show on Fridays will give you a
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: lot of targets of things that would be fun to
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: do when you do come. So I always want to
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: make sure that I'm telling the rest of the country
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: about all the good things that they can do here,
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: Christine Nicholas, because it is the world's greatest city. And
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: we still have, you know, the moniker of, you know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: there's New York and there's everywhere else. And when you
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: come to New York, you want to do the stuff
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: that makes New York memorable.
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: Well, thank you so much, Kevin, for having me. As
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: you will hear on tonight's show, for those of you
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: that want to tune in on Fun Friday on AM
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: 970 here in New York. We have a great show
• 29:30
  Speaker 10: because we also, as New Yorkers, unfortunately, we have more
• 29:33
  Speaker 10: time on our hands because our Yankees didn't seem to
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: get the memo. that we appreciate October and we want
• 29:43
  Speaker 10: a World Series win. It's been 17 years, guys.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: You should have been here Tuesday night because. I couldn't
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: no matter what I tried to get Linda to talk about,
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: it all came back to the Yankees and how just
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: how terrible she was. I mean, she was mad. She
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: was mad at these Yankees.
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: Linda Perillo, who is your co-host on Tuesdays for Travel Tuesdays.
• 30:05
  Speaker 10: She is the daughter of Mario Perillo, who is an
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: icon in the travel business. There were commercials when he
• 30:12
  Speaker 10: was with us, you know, about going to Italy. He
• 30:15
  Speaker 10: was Mr.
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: Italy.
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: But Linda is a diehard Yankee fan. And in today's
• 30:19
  Speaker 10: Daily News, you can look it up online, she wrote
• 30:22
  Speaker 10: a very funny tongue-in-cheek op-ed, best column about what it's
• 30:28
  Speaker 10: like being a Yankee fan. And she attributes it to
• 30:30
  Speaker 10: being sort of a mom that is very forgiving of
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: their rambunctious, mischievous, naughty children.
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: That's it.
• 30:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah, because she's the mom of eight. So if somebody knows,
• 30:41
  Speaker 10: Linda knows what that's all about.
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, she's also a pushover.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: So I know that she was like one of those
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: moms that was like, okay, sweetie, let's do it.
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: Let's do it. Let's get it next time.
• 30:52
  Speaker 10: Well, but and, you know, we're at the age now
• 30:55
  Speaker 10: of when we look at these baseball players as kids,
• 30:58
  Speaker 10: because a lot of them are kids. And I think
• 31:00
  Speaker 10: that's where we overestimated the team's power as Yankee fans,
• 31:05
  Speaker 10: because we have two amazing kids, George Lombard, you know,
• 31:10
  Speaker 10: but they're 20 years old, 21 years old. And, you know,
• 31:14
  Speaker 10: they just don't maybe have the experience of, you know,
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: a stadium during the world during the playoffs. Fifty five
• 31:23
  Speaker 10: thousand people screaming. And it was almost like a blooper
• 31:27
  Speaker 10: reel that second game. I mean, it was embarrassing. I
• 31:29
  Speaker 10: think they had four errors. That's they've never done that before.
• 31:33
  Speaker 10: And they just couldn't keep the ball in their glove
• 31:35
  Speaker 10: in their hand. It was you know, they made the
• 31:37
  Speaker 10: highlight reels for the wrong reason. So we just couldn't
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: keep it together. Tampa Bay has always been sort of
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: a difficult team for us to overcome. So, look, I
• 31:47
  Speaker 10: guess now you've got to wonder, who do you root for?
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Well, it's widely believed that Tampa Bay is the dominant
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: team of the AL and, you know, who they play
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: on the NL side, I guess.
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: But I think the Dodgers have.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: To, until you knock the top team off, you've got
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: to give them a hat tip.
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think the Dodgers are a shoe-in again, although
• 32:09
  Speaker 10: you do have with the White Sox something that others
• 32:12
  Speaker 10: don't have, and that's this divine intervention with our Pope.
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Rooting for the White Sox.
• 32:18
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: Going down that track.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Well, speaking of Catholic churches, I actually think that the
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Israel– is the actual
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: burial ground of Jesus. This whole garden tomb site that
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: they've got set off way over to the side that
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: all the Protestants and evangelicals go to, it's just not
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: historically accurate. So I'm a fan of actual biblical Christianity,
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: where things are actually at, what it actually means, what
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: it actually says, that sort of thing. So along those lines,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: tonight or tomorrow night, you introduced me to this group
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: doing this thing called Luminescence. We talked to them on
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: the show a couple of weeks ago. And Jonathan Rumi,
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: who's Jesus on The Chosen, which Catholics and Protestants both
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: love that show, he's going to be the narrator. But
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: you went to it last week on its opening night
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: or opening weekend. What was the experience like?
• 33:11
  Speaker 10: We were on opening night. It was fantastic because you're
• 33:14
  Speaker 10: sitting in one of the greatest cathedrals in our country, St.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Patrick's Cathedral. On the world.
• 33:19
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 33:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 33:20
  Speaker 10: It really is beautiful. And you don't get the chance really,
• 33:24
  Speaker 10: you know, I go there for mass quite, you know,
• 33:26
  Speaker 10: not regularly, but every now and then. And this is dark,
• 33:31
  Speaker 10: you know, and they have a sound and light show.
• 33:33
  Speaker 10: And it really focuses the lighting on these parts of
• 33:37
  Speaker 10: the cathedral that you've very rarely get to see. It's
• 33:41
  Speaker 10: a beautiful way of seeing it. And then it's accompanied
• 33:43
  Speaker 10: by first a harpist, a soloist. It's just this music,
• 33:49
  Speaker 10: a chorus. You have a full orchestra on Friday nights.
• 33:52
  Speaker 10: They have the music that accompanies it. And it really
• 33:56
  Speaker 10: is terrific. And I encourage everybody to go, Luminescence. Anytime
• 34:00
  Speaker 10: you can sit in a church, and I don't look,
• 34:02
  Speaker 10: it's either whether it's St. Patrick's or Riverside, where I
• 34:07
  Speaker 10: went last week when I went to the memorial service
• 34:10
  Speaker 10: for Dr. Clarence Jones. You have reflection and you have
• 34:14
  Speaker 10: that time to really understand the power of us as
• 34:19
  Speaker 10: Christians are pulled together, you know, due to the force
• 34:22
  Speaker 10: of Jesus Christ, right? And this is the story of
• 34:26
  Speaker 10: Jesus Christ. And what is really nice about Luminescence is
• 34:29
  Speaker 10: is they talk about that power. They talk about, you know,
• 34:34
  Speaker 10: it's not, it doesn't hit you over the head with
• 34:36
  Speaker 10: religion because the music is there. And it's also a
• 34:40
  Speaker 10: story of the building of St. Patrick's, which has a
• 34:44
  Speaker 10: lot to do with New York City immigration and the
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: flood of the Irish coming in. But it just makes
• 34:51
  Speaker 10: you feel closer to God. And That's what we need
• 34:56
  Speaker 10: right now.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to experiencing it. And I'm taking the
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: whole family. And if you want to know more, it
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: is online.
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: You can look it up.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: But Luminescence has done this or Bonje Entertainment has done
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: this now. And I think seven or eight historical cathedrals
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: around the world. And there's a couple more that they're
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: going to do or they have done in the U.S.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: So it might be coming to an area near you.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: But they're always about the location itself. It's not it's
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: not a, you know. copy and paste type of show.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: It's like they build this into the specific location where
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: they're at and it's really something to see. Alright, Christine,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: thank you for stopping by. Always a big fan of
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: New York, even if your Yankees aren't doing well.
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: I appreciate how.
• 35:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah, there's always next year, which we're now starting to
• 35:40
  Speaker 10: sound like the Mets.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: I appreciate how you always have the welcome mat out
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: for people to come to our city and to say,
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: come and experience something you haven't seen before.
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: Coming right back.
• 35:51
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• 36:06
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• 36:10
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  Speaker 7: Welcome back.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: Kevin McCullough, very grateful to have you with us. You know,
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• 36:53
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• 36:56
  Speaker 4: I'll use it, and then I'll give you some feedback
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: about what it was like to use it. But you
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: know what people are saying right now? It's better than ChatGPT.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: It's better than Claude. When it comes to everything that
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: you turn to AI for, which has basically become a
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: combination of Google and, and whatever, like people are using
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: it to get accurate information about stuff faster than ever before.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: And there's this huge, I don't know if you saw
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: the hit piece that, um, Laura O'Donnell did, um, or
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Nora O'Donnell did on CBS news last night, but that
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: thing on data centers was one of the most biased,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: inaccurate things I've ever seen in my life.
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: And she didn't.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Have actual quantitative or qualitative comments from people that are
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: actually involved in the data center expansion. It just, it
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: was really, it was such a hit piece and it
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: was so dishonest. AI is not going anywhere. If you
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: look at every app on your phone, Every single one
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: of them either have an AI option that invites you
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: to use it, or they are now incorporating AI into
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: your help, request, search commands, whatever it is that you
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: ask that app to do. They're using AI in such
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: a way that it helps you do it faster and
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: more accurately. And every app on your phone does it.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: It's not just one or two. Every search engine now
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: uses AI. Everywhere you turn, AI is being used. Now,
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: that doesn't mean that I'm in favor of generative stuff.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: And the generative AI debate is a different debate altogether.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: But will AI be here and will it make a
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: difference in the way we live? It already is. There
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: is no will involved. It is already happening. And it's
• 38:38
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• 38:42
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• 38:46
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• 38:48
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• 38:51
  Speaker 4: that device is all AI. Everything that's on that device
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: is being powered by intelligence. It's adding to its knowledge
• 38:59
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• 39:05
  Speaker 4: adding intelligence to what it can do and help and
• 39:09
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• 39:11
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• 39:16
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• 39:18
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• 39:21
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• 39:24
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• 42:14
  Speaker 10: It's hour number two.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: We've got a lot to still discuss today. And in
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: this hour, Dr. Gina Loudon will be with me, also
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Bethany Mandel. Todd Nettleton will be here from Voice of
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: the Martyrs. to talk about a different type of persecution
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: that's going on. But I'm really concerned about what I
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: see happening right in the city that I broadcast from.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: And I'm not the only one.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: Elie Wiesel was deeply loved by the Jewish people before
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: her death, and her son, Elisha Wiesel, maintains the work
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: at her foundation. And These were some of his observations
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: on Mayor Zoran Mamdani's recent public statements and actions.
• 43:00
  Speaker 13: I remember 9-11, the candlelight vigils, the sense of a
• 43:05
  Speaker 13: community coming together.
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: I remember during COVID-19.
• 43:08
  Speaker 13: Wringing the pots and pans on behalf of the emergency
• 43:11
  Speaker 13: workers who were so brave. I remember even after George Floyd,
• 43:14
  Speaker 13: so many people going out to support the black community
• 43:18
  Speaker 13: in their moment of crisis. When it comes to us, though,
• 43:21
  Speaker 13: what I remember is October 8th. I remember that feeling
• 43:25
  Speaker 13: of the next morning, having had my world shocked at
• 43:28
  Speaker 13: the barbarity that we saw take place in Israel at
• 43:30
  Speaker 13: the hands of Hamas, walking on October 8th, really not
• 43:34
  Speaker 13: too far from here in Times Square, And already seeing
• 43:37
  Speaker 13: that angry mob that you just saw on the screen
• 43:40
  Speaker 13: chanting that, you know, Israel is guilty of this. Israel
• 43:43
  Speaker 13: deserved it by any means necessary. You know, violence is appropriate.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: How did we get so much hatred?
• 43:52
  Speaker 13: I wish I had all the answers, but it is
• 43:54
  Speaker 13: absolutely terrifying to me as.
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: A Jew in this country.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: As a Jew in this country, it is terrifying to him.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: And friends, I don't blame him. And I'm really burdened.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: I'm really burdened by what I'm seeing today. in the
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: Senate race in Michigan, where you have Barack Obama, who
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: would play the bona fides of his African-American-ness when necessary
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: in public. I mean, knowing he came from a split line,
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: his mom was white, his dad was black. But he
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: would play to the African-American nature, the Kenyan part of him,
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: publicly for all that it was worth. And now he's
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: just endorsed Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan, who said that Americans
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: deserved 9-11. He just endorsed Abdul El-Sayed, who said that
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Jewish people deserved October 7th. He is someone who does
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: not just hold Islamic views of the world, but he
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: is supportive of the most radical groups that advance those
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: views in the world. He's received massive campaign funds from
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: the Muslim Brotherhood, which is a terrorist organization. He refuses
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: to condemn Hamas for their activities on October 7th. He
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: refuses to condemn Iran's activities prior to now and now.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: Even when they fire on their Arab neighbors, he can't
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: bring himself to say that they are doing something wrong.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: There is a concept in the Muslim faith called Takiyah,
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: and it's real. It is the doctrine where when you
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: are assimilating into a region, The Quran instructs you to
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: play nice and get along. And if you have to
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: even lie about what Islam actually teaches, about what Islamic
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: practitioners actually believe, there is an instruction to do that
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: and to maintain that posture until Islam becomes the dominant view.
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: Of the culture.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: And then at that point, you no longer practice Takiyah.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: You just practice what the clerics tell you to practice
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: at that point. It is permission to be dishonest. It
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: is permission to hide one's actual beliefs. And I have
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: to tell you that in watching Mayor Mamdani over the
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: last couple of years, in watching Abdul El-Sayed campaign for
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: the Senate seat in Michigan in I don't think that
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: they're trying to hide very much anymore. I think when
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: you can't condemn terrorism that seeks to extinguish its opponents,
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: how can you ask a free people, a God-fearing people,
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: to support you and give you the trust of public leadership?
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: As far as I'm concerned... All of the issues in
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: the campaign are important, and you can make a biblical
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: argument for lower taxes. You can make a very biblical
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: argument for controlled immigration, not unlimited illegal immigration. God believed
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: in borders. God believed in instructions and order and rules.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: He gave us the benefit of some of those things
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: for our flourishing so that we would do life to
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: the best of its ability, not to the worst. Having
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: said all that, I'm embarrassed at James Tallarico in Texas
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: claiming that Jesus would take his position on issues of
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: Medicare and immigration and national security. Friends, the side that
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: opposes the God of the Bible is not hiding its
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: beliefs in this campaign. the side that opposes the God
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: of the Bible is bearing its fangs. It is under
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: the belief that it doesn't need to hide what it
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: believes anymore. That the number of people that can be
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: fooled and tricked and manipulated are so many that evil
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: can literally call evil good And they think that everyone
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: will buy it. And maybe they're right. Maybe we are
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: on the verge of losing our nation. But I hope not.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: If you're in Michigan and you're listening to me today, friends,
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: you need to vote. And the job of the general election,
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: which is different than the primary, the primary election is
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: where you vote for purity and you vote for the
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: one that most closely aligns to what you deeply want
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: in every area of policy. The general election, when the
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: two parties have submitted their nominees. you vote entirely based
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: on one thing. Which one will stop the most evil
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: from advancing? You may not believe in everything that Mike
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: Rogers stands for, or maybe you do. I don't know
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: his record intimately well, but I like a lot of
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: the things that he's stood up for. But this is
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: one of those elections I don't even need to know
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Mike Rogers' stance on anything except this. Will he condemn terrorism?
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: Will he say terrorism has no place in American life?
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: Abdul Syed won't do that, Michiganders. And you need to
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: be aware. And Texans... James Tallarico is the devil himself
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: parading around as a servant of the Most High. Tallarico
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: is not a Christian. He is not biblical. And his
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: life does not produce the fruit of someone who is
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: a follower of Jesus. I'm praying for you. We've got
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: elections all across the country. I'm praying for those of
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: you in those states where these races really matter. Please
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: consider voting. Make it a priority.
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: Do your best.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: Kevin McCullough coming right back.
• 50:58
  Speaker 9: Here he is from New York, That Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: Welcome back. It's the Friday edition, Kevin McCullough, That Kevin Show, ThatKevinShow.com.
• 51:10
  Speaker 7: Very glad to have you with us.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: And someone that I'm always glad to check in with
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: on Fridays is Dr.
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: Gina Loudon.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: She is one of the three co-hosts of Real America's
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: Voice Network. American Morning, and she wakes people up every day.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: Are you still doing the Bible verse on a regular basis, Gina?
• 51:29
  Speaker 7: Do you start the day with a verse?
• 51:30
  Speaker 8: Absolutely.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, every day we pray before the show together, the
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: two hosts, David Brody and Terrence Bates and me. And
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: then we do a Bible verse every single show. And
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: we do a whole faith segment every single show. Those
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: are two of the cornerstones of our show. And I'm
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: pretty pleased with that because it was something that most
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: morning shows don't do, won't do. And it was something
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: that I pushed pretty hard to make happen. happens so
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: i'm yeah i'm pleased and thankful that we get to.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: Do that the several times i've been on i remembered
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: that that always occurred and um i thought i'd ask
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: you about it so guys listen if you're if you're
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: needing a little word of encouragement dr gina in the
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: morning is really a good alternative so check that out
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: rev uh you have to get it on a streamer
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: uh in most places but they're they're practically everywhere if
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: you've got um if you've got roku or apple tv
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: And smart TVs.
• 52:24
  Speaker 11: Yeah, smart TV.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: We're on it. We're on, I think, all the different
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: new TVs.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: It's called OTT as opposed to OTA. But, you know,
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: who knows what it is?
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Who knows what even.
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: It means now?
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: Hey, congratulations for another reason. You had a new book
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: come out this week, and I want you to brag
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: all about it.
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: Oh, thank you, Kevin.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Well, I do want to thank you and your audience.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: We made it to top 20. in our category of
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Christian children's books on Amazon last night, and we're very
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: excited about that. And so the book is, it's special, Kevin.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: It was my children who really woke me up to
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: sort of the platform that I could be using for
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: better purposes. I love when that happens, when you go,
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, I guess I could do that. They were like,
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: you know, mom, you read us books like Good Night Moon, Jamberry,
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Where the Wild Things Are. And they're like, we know
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: every single word of those. But we don't know the
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: books of the Bible in order by memory. We don't
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: know the days of creation in order by memory. We
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: don't know the Ten Commandments in order by memory. And
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking, oh, wow, mom fail. And I homeschooled Kevin,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: so there's no excuse for me. I mean, I did
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: go over all that with them, but they don't know
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: them by heart.
• 53:43
  Speaker 10: So we came up.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: With a series called The Bible by Heart. The first
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: in our series was the days of creation. And the
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: second one, which we just launched day before yesterday. is
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: the 10 commandments by heart. So it does, it's a
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: mnemonic device. I use my psychological background to inform the
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: memory components in this book so that children can memorize
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: them and always have them in their minds. And so,
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: you know, and it's biblical, train them up in the
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: way they should go when they're old, they will not
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: depart from it.
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: That is, those are God's words.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: And so that's what.
• 54:14
  Speaker 8: We tried to do.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: I co-wrote the book with Dr. James Mosley from Liberty University.
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: And he's amazing. We call him the Bible history guy
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: on our show. And then we had, and this is
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: one of my favorite parts of it, Mike Sofka did
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: the illustrations. He is the animator that you know his work.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: He did VeggieTales. And so he did our illustrations. And
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: so it's been a fun project that we've done with
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Simon & Schuster's Christian division, Beyond Words. And, um, it's
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: just been a huge honor to work with them.
• 54:47
  Speaker 10: They've been great.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: And like I said, the book made top 20 last night.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: So we're very excited about that.
• 54:52
  Speaker 7: Well, you're still in there. I just pulled it up.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: Uh, so friends, if you're interested in this, obviously Amazon
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: has it. It's the 10 commandments by heart. That's the
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: name of it. And it's easy to find right there
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: on the Amazon. And of course, uh, I think Dr.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: Gina has it linked at her Twitter feed and a
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: bunch of other places. So go and check that out. But, um, Gina,
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: I want to talk to you about this idea because
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: my opening monologue on the show today, we had a
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: very tragic shooting in New York City yesterday. An immigrant
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: who is a multiple-time criminal has raged all kinds of
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: terror and horror on the city of New York in
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: the time that he's been here. would not go into custody,
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: ended up getting shot. He was taken to the hospital.
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: He was treated.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: He was in good enough shape that they were able
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: to release him. And ICE is off sending him back
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: to where he came from. And Mamdani and Hochul get
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: on local and statewide TV today, and they demand that
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: President Trump end ICE operations. They demand that this, what
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: they call terrorism, stop. They demand all these things. And
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: my observation is that there's a much bigger general principle
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: at work here. People are disobeying law enforcement and end
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: up in these situations because they don't obey the law.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: And one of the things that I learned when I
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: was really little was that I'm supposed to obey God-placed
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: authority over me. And even if the authority is wrong,
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: There are recourses. What I've taught my children is if
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: a police officer asks you questions, you cooperate. You have
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: a good attitude about it. You say yes, sir, and
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: thank you, sir, and everything else when you're being interacted with.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: And the reason why you do that is because if
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: there is something that they do that is bothersome or
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: in some way illegitimate or wrong, we have recourses to
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: deal with that. But there is no recourse to come
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: back from being shot over chaos and confusion. And what
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: the mayor and what the governor are doing are sowing
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: deeper seeds of confusion. And by saying the president's the problem,
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: the law is the problem, the enforcement of the law
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: is the problem. They're condemning an entire state, an entire
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: city to, well, what do I do? When do I
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: obey the law? When is the law something that I'm
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: supposed to follow? And when is it something I'm not
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: supposed to? Because the state and the city people say,
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: I don't have to follow it. but the president says
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: I do. You see what I'm saying? And this gets
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: down to the 10 commandments, the simple idea that God-given
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: authority is worth obeying.
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: Your thoughts.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: This is the Islamification of our country that is happening
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: right now all over. If you want to see what
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: New York is going to look like under this continued leadership,
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: you don't have to go any further than Dearborn, Michigan. Farther,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: I guess, than Dearborn, Michigan. You know, my co-host, David Brody,
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: spent the week there, a large part of the week there.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: And the pictures that he came away with. The and
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: when you really look at what they're doing now, not
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: just living off of welfare in many cases, breeding lots
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: and lots of children. But you look at these mosques
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: and how they're demanding to come in everywhere and then
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: they'll have like eight members to a mosque.
• 58:12
  Speaker 14: Why is that?
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, just think about that for a minute. On
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: its face, that's deceptive, right? Why would you build a
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: whole mosque for eight members? Just start asking yourself these questions.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: And when you look at how many mosques have been
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: built in red states now, like Texas, like Florida and
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: other places, we better just wake up to what's happening
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: or we're all going to look like Dearborn, Michigan, which
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: if you haven't been there, I highly encourage you to
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: hire a security team, put on your bulletproof vest and
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: helmet and go. But it is dangerous. I can tell
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: you that my colleague, David Brody, you should interview him, Kevin,
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: because he was just there. And the stories he told
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: and the things he saw were things that are not America.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: It's less America than some Middle Eastern countries that I visited.
• 59:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: Well, yesterday you also had Ilhan Omar talking about how
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: Somalis are actually Americans and they're not going anywhere. And
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: then on this very same night, you have Somali gangs
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: shooting each other in huge gun battles in some of
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: their neighborhoods. And I'm like, there's something deeply disturbing and
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: afoot that is way, way off where it needs to be.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: And we're allowing them to get away with it. El-Sayed
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: was in a debate last night. He was asked directly–
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: Why can't you condemn the actions of 10-7 and 9-11?
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: And instead of answering the question, he turns his back
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: to the reporter and eventually walks away. This is like,
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: if I can't answer it, I'm just not going to
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: respond at all. And then at the end of the day...
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: You know, they're going to say, well, you know, the
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: evil Mike Rogers, the evil Republicans, the evil, all these
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: other things.
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: Well, since did.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: Mike Rogers participate in terror activities? Does he support people
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: going and killing other people simply over the differences that
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: they hold? I mean, this is this is where this
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: is really gotten out of control. And that's why I'm
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: saying to people, you are required to go vote. If
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: you're if you're someone who loves this country or wants
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: a future for your children, this election really does matter.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 14: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: And I think we have to bear in mind, if
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: you haven't read the Quran, read it.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: And we have to bear in mind that.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 8: There are laws.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: In their religious texts that say they can lie to
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: protect Islam, to protect Allah.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: We've talked about the.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 10: The, I'm sure you.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: Have in, in detail and it's a real thing. People
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: get mad that you.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 7: Bring it up.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: It's a real thing, but try Googling it because they'll
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: say it's not there.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 8: It doesn't exist.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Um, that lying is an absolute sin in Islam. I mean,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: you really have to look at what's really happening with
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: your eyes wide open and don't let other people tell
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: you what you're seeing.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: Because we are in a day and age where the
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: lies are prolific, the propaganda campaigns are insane, and not
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: just from one foreign country, from many foreign countries.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 9: And it's high.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: Time to take a real look and a real listen
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: and to be honest with ourselves and to have this
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: public conversation because it needs to happen before 2028 when
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: we elect a president.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 7: Well said. Dr.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: Gina, get her new book called The Ten Commandments by Heart.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: You can't miss it.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: It's on Amazon.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 14: It's only $ 12.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: It's only $.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 8: 12 on Amazon?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it makes, because we wanted to put, and
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: the proceeds go to our foundation, which helps families adopt
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: children with special needs. So we would love to sell
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: a lot of them for Christmas.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: All right, Gina, thank you. We'll talk to you next week.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: Kevin McCullough coming right back.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 9: Stick around for more of That Kevin. From New York,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 9: that Kevin. Kevin McCullough.
• 1:02:05
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• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: And I am very.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: Honored to have back at the microphone someone who was
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: with us on the radio side just two weeks ago
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: at the Sing Conference in Nashville. We didn't even know
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: we were going to be having this conversation at the time. Like, honestly,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: neither one of us knew we were going to do it.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: But Todd Nettleton is the host of Voice of the
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: Martyrs Radio. Heard on lots of the same stations that
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: you hear this show on and want to just point
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: out that Voice of the Martyrs is advocating for the
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  Speaker 4: welfare of Christians who are being persecuted all over the
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  Speaker 4: planet and in some pretty horrendous ways. But he has
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: a special offer for you.
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  Speaker 7: He's written a book.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: Called When Faith is Forbidden, and I want to ask
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: him a little bit about that and how you can
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: get a copy of it for free. Todd, it's good
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: to see you. Thanks for coming back.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, you're very welcome.
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad my introduction didn't spurn you for permanent.
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  Speaker 12: Didn't scare me off.
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  Speaker 4: Good, that's good. We talked and had a very good
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  Speaker 4: conversation at Sing about the difficulty that the church faces
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  Speaker 4: in a lot of places around the globe.
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  Speaker 7: Just a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 4: I'm guessing in the two weeks since you and I
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  Speaker 4: sat down, it hasn't gotten any better.
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  Speaker 12: No, unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be getting better. And really,
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  Speaker 12: as Christians, that shouldn't surprise us. You know, Jesus promised persecution.
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  Speaker 12: He said, the world hates me. If you follow me,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 12: the world will hate you, too. Not not a good
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 12: marketing slogan, but it is true. And we're seeing that
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 12: around the world in more than 70 countries. Being persecuted
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 12: is just a regular part of following Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 4: It does happen to be also the case in a
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  Speaker 4: lot of places where the persecution is the most robust part.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: is also the place where the church is growing the most.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: Can you explain how that's happening?
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  Speaker 12: You know, I think ultimately that's the power of the
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 12: Holy Spirit.
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  Speaker 1: But it is true.
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  Speaker 12: Where we see persecution, we see the church growing. And
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 12: one of the ways that that happens, very frankly, is
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 12: the response of Christians to persecution. When we follow the
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 12: scriptural mandate to love our enemies, to pray for those
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 12: who persecute us, that is an incredible witness of the
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 12: truth of the gospel. When you are beating someone and
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 12: they are forgiving you and loving you, from a human perspective,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 12: that doesn't make sense.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: It really doesn't even compute.
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  Speaker 12: It only makes sense if the gospel is true, if
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 12: Jesus is real. And so one of the ways the
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  Speaker 12: church is growing is because of the response of our
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  Speaker 12: brothers and sisters today. to the attacks, to the persecution
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 12: that they face.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and it's one of those things where nobody would
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  Speaker 4: believe it if you just said it on a normal,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: like I get email from cynics all the time who
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: are like, I can't believe that you actually believe the
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: things that you believe. But when you come into face-to-face
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: contact with faith that is that stout, that is that sturdy,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: that is that inspiring for the human to withstand what
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: they are going through, But there's also those that write, Todd,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: and say, but the church really isn't being persecuted. For
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  Speaker 4: people that have that kind of hard-to-convince mentality, what are
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: some of the things that Christians are experiencing around the
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  Speaker 4: world right now as we speak?
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  Speaker 12: You know, if I would hear someone say, you know,
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  Speaker 12: the church isn't really being persecuted, one of the first
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 12: thoughts that comes to my mind is the faces of
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  Speaker 12: seven pastors in Eritrea, all of whom have been in
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  Speaker 12: prison more than 21 years.
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  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 12: All of whom have been separated from their families. In fact,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 12: some of them have had their spouses die while they've
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 12: been in prison the last 21 years. And so I
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  Speaker 12: think of Chinese pastors in prison right now. We know
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 12: there are more than 200 Chinese church leaders who are
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 12: imprisoned in China. I think of the church in Iran
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 12: that is active and growing, but also facing intense persecution there.
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  Speaker 12: So as someone who thinks that the church isn't really
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  Speaker 12: being persecuted, they are not paying attention.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you have written a book that details much of
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: this called When Faith is Forbidden. And I want to
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  Speaker 4: I want to give you a chance to tell us
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  Speaker 4: what it's about and kind of why you were called
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  Speaker 4: to write this book.
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  Speaker 12: I appreciate the use of the word calling because I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 12: think that that really is what it is. For the
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  Speaker 12: last 28 years, I've worked at Voice of the Martyrs
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  Speaker 12: and I've traveled around the world to meet face to
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  Speaker 12: face with Christians who have been persecuted. And I get
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  Speaker 12: the sort of holy privilege of sitting down with them
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  Speaker 12: and just asking them questions. Hey, you know, tell me
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 12: about the prison. Tell me, tell me if you thought
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 12: about denying your faith and going free. And inevitably what
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 12: would happen if I would come back from a trip
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  Speaker 12: and I would be in my Bible study group or
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 12: in my Sunday school class, and I would share one
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 12: of those stories and somebody would say, man, I wish
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 12: I could go on a trip with you. And so that's,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 12: That's really why I wrote the book is it's an
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 12: invitation to you. Hey, come on a trip with me.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 12: I want you to come along. We're going to take
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  Speaker 12: 40 days every day. We're going to meet a persecuted Christian.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 12: We're going to hear their story. And I believe, in fact,
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  Speaker 12: it's almost a guarantee on day 41, your faith will
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 12: look different. because there's no way you can hang out
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  Speaker 12: with these kind of people. You can hear their stories
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  Speaker 12: of boldness and faithfulness in spite of prison, in spite
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 12: of having family members killed, in spite of being beaten.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 12: There's no way you can spend 40 days with those
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 12: kind of followers of Jesus Christ and not want to
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 12: follow Him more boldly and more passionately in your own life.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: I know that many of you that listen that are
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: not followers of Jesus are unconvinced, but I just want
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: to I would even ask you, get a copy of
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: Todd's book and see for yourself if there is not
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: something inspiring about the fact that these people will cling
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  Speaker 4: to Christ when so many other things are dangled in
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: front of them in terms of what you could call
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  Speaker 4: fairly temptation, even though it's just a relief from the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: persecution that they're being put up against. Anyway, Todd Nettleton
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: doing a great job. VOM Radio is where you hear
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: him and you can hear more of those stories on
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: stations that many of the same stations that take This
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: broadcast also aired Todd's show. And, again, if you want
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: the book, you've got to go to vom.org slash Kevin,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: vom.org slash Kevin. And it's super simple. Right at the
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: top of the page, there's a little form. Just put
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: that in. It shouldn't take 30 seconds to fill it out.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: And then a copy of the book is on its
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: way to you. Todd, keep fighting the good fight. Thank
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: you for being with us.
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  Speaker 7: You're welcome.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 12: Thanks for having me.
• 1:08:37
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• 1:09:05
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• 1:09:08
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  Speaker 4: Bethany Mandel joins us often on these Friday visits. And Bethany,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: I thought of you this week because unlike some people that.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: 10-7 is just another day on their calendar in our country.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: I actually hold a commemoration, not an anniversary, not a celebration,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: but I do an observance of October 7 because I
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: feel like for especially my Jewish friends, it is every
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: bit as potent as 9-11, but more so by multiple factors.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: And I see things like Mayor Mamdani saying, demand, you know,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: in his first three sentences of his statement that, you know,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: he says it's a terrible thing and then spends the
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: rest of his 17 paragraphs chiding the U.S. and Israel
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: for what they've done in Gaza. No genocide in Gaza,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: by the way. We've reported those facts in the last
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: couple of weeks. But this is something that is spreading
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: like wildfire. Abdul Al-Sayed in the Michigan debate last night
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: for Senate couldn't even face a reporter who asked him
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: just to answer a question. And Bethany, these candidates are
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: asking for votes of Americans and American Jews in particular
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: in just a few weeks.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 7: Your thoughts?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's, you know, we just marked
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: 25 years after 9-11. And this first October 7th with
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: no hostages in captivity, I think, felt different because it
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: finally felt like it was in the rearview mirror. But
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: What's really, I think, disturbing about this last month of
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: both of those remembrances is that it's not just marked
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: with sadness that this horrible loss of life happened and
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: all these things, but it's also, we're seeing our fellow
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Americans marching through the streets saying, long live Hamas, long
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: live Hezbollah. And it's this ideology that caused October 7th.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: And it also caused the deaths of 3,000 of our
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: countrymen 25 years ago on September 11th. And we saw
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of family members actually stand up and say
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: in New York, we do not want Mayor Mamdani at
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: the 25th memorial. And it's scary to think that in
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: just 25 years in New York City, there is a
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: mayor who so many family members are so deeply uncomfortable
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: with because they see him as complicit. Um, and that's
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: being generous, you know, in, in, in the ideology that
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: killed their loved one on, on that September morning, not.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: Not just on that morning, but the whole mentality of
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: everything moving forward. Like the idea that somehow the, the
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: response to these horrific attacks is, was in some way
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: not justified. And he gets to openly say things like
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: use the word genocide when the Gaza health ministry numbers
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: themselves indicate that aside from war-aged fighting young men, deaths
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: in 2025 barely outpaced deaths in 2022. And that's, you know,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: your cancers and heart attacks and natural causes and so forth.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: And then birth rates have been over 6000 a month
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: for more than the last year. So they're replacing they
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: had 24000 total deaths in 2025 in all of the
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: Gaza region, Bethany. And I'm saying, how did we get?
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: 24 000 deaths extrapolated into 200 000 deaths which is
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: you know the people just throw out numbers like it's
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: just some sort of like imaginary thing there's no but
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: but the but the gaza health ministry who i don't
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: even know that their numbers are all that good no
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: it's hamas the gaza health ministry they're saying it's it's
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: at best one-tenth of what everybody else has been saying.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah no i mean if israel is committing a genocide
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: they're doing it very poorly And I'm disappointed, honestly, in
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: their efforts. Obviously, they need to step it up. They
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: are so bad at genocide that whenever they bomb a building,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: they notify the inhabitants inside to clear out. One of
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: the released hostages, Omar Shemtove, wrote a really captivating piece
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: in the Wall Street Journal a couple weeks ago where
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: he talked about the fact that he was being held captive.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: And his captors... Mother got a call to leave the
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: building because the IDF was about to bomb it. And
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: he said, what a sick inversion this is that my
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: army is protecting his mother while he guards me in captivity.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: And that's the situation. And, you know, we have... people
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: in this country who just refuse to understand that there
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: is evil in this world and that they are siding
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: with the side of evil. And I don't, I don't
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: know where we've gone wrong.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: We've also got a, a, a very broad cross sector
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: of pop culture that are stupid individuals that are literally
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: lacking in any form of facts of what's happening. And
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: yet they, They're just out there saying it over and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: over again. The deceptive edits, the releasing of strong opinion
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: on Twitter has had half the country now believe that
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: he actually invited Iran to bomb two of our cities.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, we're dealing with purposefully uninformed people that are
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: purposefully spreading stuff that is absolutely 180 degree opposite of truth.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know what you do with that.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: We live in a post-truth society, I guess. But it's
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: become this hip thing. If you look at the polling
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: numbers for everything from capitalism to Israel to America among
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: young people, Our numbers aren't great. We're not we're not
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: doing great. And I put a lot of that blame
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: on the education system. But the radicals have taken over
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: the school system and it seems like we've just let them.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: Well, it seems like the desire is to undermine everything
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: that's known, postulate all kinds of things that are unknown,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: and then allow the kind of, you know, stand back
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: and watch the whole thing burn down to the ground.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: So that they can come in after and say, well,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: we've got the better the better way, the more informed way.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's exactly how Marx did it.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: I I'm not sure I'm not sure where to go
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: from here. But I think, you know, as as the
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: administration and as people, you know, are looking at teachers
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: colleges and all of those things, we have to think
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: about the fact that, you know, an entire generation is
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: being taught by people who want them to hate America
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: That's true. All right. Bethany, I always appreciate it. Thank
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 7: you for checking in with us.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, guys.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 7: You got it.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: Kevin McCullough coming right back.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 7: Don't go anywhere.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 9: Stick around for more of that.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Kevin next. Serving it up with a no drink.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 9: It's that Kevin show.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: All right, final few minutes, and it's time to once
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: again play a round of Kevin, play stuff from X.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: Because this time, I don't think I need to do
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: much correction. I just want you to hear what the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: Senate candidate from the state of Texas, James Tallarico, in
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: his own words, over the last course of the campaign,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: has said. And turn this up and listen carefully, because he.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 7: Says a lot.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Something that you love that's not family or friends.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 14: I love trans children.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: Who's your favorite drag queen in Texas?
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, probably Alyssa Edwards. My name is Alyssa Edwards.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: To perform with Alyssa Edwards is so big to me.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: Alyssa Edwards is everything.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 14: Modern science obviously recognizes that there are many more than
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 14: two biological sexes. In fact, there are six. An unwillingness
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 14: to identify or to acknowledge a child's gender identity.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: We consider that abuse to the child.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 14: I always think of myself as a Christian who hates Christianity.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 14: Bill's like the one that would force every teacher in
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 14: Texas to post the Ten Commandments in their classroom. In
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 14: my view, it is a betrayal of Jesus of Nazareth.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 14: God is not a Christian. God is non-violent.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: God loves diversity.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 14: You can't love God and abuse the image. Our southern
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 14: border should be like our front porch. There should be
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 14: a giant welcome mat out front. We can build a
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 14: pathway to citizenship. Prophetic voices like Jesus have helped me
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 14: reckon with my own whiteness. The link between climate change
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 14: and white supremacy and capitalism and the ways that all
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 14: three of those oppressive systems work together are we going
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 14: to be able to begin the process of dismantling. It
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 14: is now existential that we try to reduce our meat
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 14: consumption too often in politics. I think we think that
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 14: we have to follow voters.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 7: All of my money comes from hard work in Texas.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 14: If you are okay with getting taxed.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: More, if you're okay with me limiting your influence.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 14: In politics, you are welcome to join this movement that.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 7: We are building. All right. He said it all.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: The one that jumps out at me the most, I'm
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: a Christian that hates Christianity. That's an interesting thought. The
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: fact that he even knows the name of a drag queen,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: much less has a favorite one, is concerning. Maybe the
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: most concerning is his confession that he loves trans children.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: What do you want to do with trans children, James?
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: And every time he invokes anything regarding scripture, he is 1,000% wrong.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: If James Tallarico says it, you can almost take it
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: to the bank, because I have yet to see a
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: statement that is accurate. He said, God is not a Christian. Okay,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: God created everything. So technically, I get your point. But
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: God sent his son to die on the cross for
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: our sins. So God's Christianity is not what's the issue.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: The perfect God who could keep all of his laws
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  Speaker 4: and all of his commandments. And by the way, the
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  Speaker 4: giver of laws and commandments and the author of the
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  Speaker 4: original 10 laws and commandments, he believes it would be
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  Speaker 4: an insult to Jesus of Nazareth to put the 10
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  Speaker 4: commandments in a classroom. What is he talking about? Every
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  Speaker 4: young Jewish kid in Judaism has to memorize the entire Torah,
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  Speaker 4: not just the 10 commandments. Christians are informed by them.
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  Speaker 4: We based our entire legal system on them. Why would
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  Speaker 4: Jesus be offended or why would it break his heart
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  Speaker 4: to have the Ten Commandments on the classroom wall? James
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  Speaker 4: Tallarico says he is a believer, says that he follows Jesus.
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  Speaker 4: He just doesn't follow the Jesus of the Bible, of history,
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  Speaker 4: or of what other Christians follow. He follows a made-up
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  Speaker 4: Jesus that lives in his own head.
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  Speaker 7: And nowhere else.
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  Speaker 4: And any objective reading of Scripture, which is Jesus' most
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  Speaker 4: reliable revelation to us, would point to that fact. Friends,
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  Speaker 4: this election's huge. The stakes are huge. Texans, listen carefully.
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  Speaker 4: Your choice is huge. Kevin McCullough, we'll see you next time.