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UPenn Swimmers Have Gotten Records and Voice Back · The Wes Carroll Morning Show

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  Speaker 2: Tuesday morning, eighth day of July. I'm Wes. Thanks for
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  Speaker 2: joining me over on Magnetic Island this morning for a
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  Speaker 2: Just a reminder on the I'm a little bit in
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  Speaker 2: the future, and that's the only thing I want to
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  Speaker 2: make sure to mention in that in case anything has
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  Speaker 2: drastically changed. I always feel like it's important to put
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  Speaker 2: that disclaimer in there is something drastic has changed in
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  Speaker 2: the next fourteen hours by the time you listen, that's
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  Speaker 2: what's going on. As far as this all right, as
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  Speaker 2: far as when I record and then when it actually uploads,
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about the things that have happened
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  Speaker 2: at U penn as we have had a significant shift
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  Speaker 2: in things as promised by the Trump administration. When it
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  Speaker 2: comes to women's athletes at the University of Pennsylvania. It's
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  Speaker 2: not a big The big news, of course, is that
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  Speaker 2: the Trump administration has issued some guidelines for what Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 2: is supposed to do, and maybe the most surprising part
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  Speaker 2: of it is that they actually did it. They followed
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  Speaker 2: what they were supposed to do. I think that even
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  Speaker 2: if they have complete objections to every aspect of it
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  Speaker 2: and did not want to do it, which is probably
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  Speaker 2: the case. They still did it by the letter of
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  Speaker 2: the law, as was expected, as they were asked to do,
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  Speaker 2: and they also had a disclaimer which laid out the
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  Speaker 2: fact that we're doing this because we've been ordered to
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  Speaker 2: do it. We've been told that we must, so we're
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  Speaker 2: doing it, and that's why we're going to do the
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  Speaker 2: following things. And then they just laid everything out for
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  Speaker 2: this is what we have going on. So let's go
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  Speaker 2: back a little bit and talk about Leah Thomas, Lea Thomas,
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  Speaker 2: who was once a maybe par, maybe a little above par,
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  Speaker 2: maybe subpar. I don't know. I don't really know a
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  Speaker 2: lot about the will Thomas story when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: his time back in twenty twenty one as an athlete
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  Speaker 2: as a swimmer on the men's team at U Penn,
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  Speaker 2: Will Thomas at some point decided that she was Leah Thomas,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, coming out of the name William and the la.
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  Speaker 2: Became a women's swimmer at U Penn and started to
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  Speaker 2: break lots of records and became the best college swimmer
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  Speaker 2: in the world or at least in the US, dominating
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  Speaker 2: and breaking records and bringing championships to UPenn and creating
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  Speaker 2: obviously a very uncomfortable and awkward environment for the women,
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  Speaker 2: the biological women that were on the team, people who
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  Speaker 2: were uncomfortable sharing a dressing room, people who were uncomfortable
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  Speaker 2: with It's easy to just say they felt badly because
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  Speaker 2: they were losing their places on the team when you
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  Speaker 2: have someone who's the more dominant swimmer, someone who is
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  Speaker 2: biologically advantaged to be a better swimmer on the team,
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  Speaker 2: and someone who was basically beating them even in races,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, in some cases you're competing against not
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  Speaker 2: just in sort of I guess preliminaries, but also in
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  Speaker 2: other races that are done in house, you know someone
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  Speaker 2: who's taking that sort of alpha spot, if you will,
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  Speaker 2: on the team. Swimming is a sport that is not
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  Speaker 2: as big in the US, just being blunt as it
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  Speaker 2: is in this country where I am now, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: a huge sport here. They're much more into swimming and
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  Speaker 2: track and field. The Olympics, I think is enjoyed and
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  Speaker 2: appreciated more here, at least in my experience with the
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  Speaker 2: people that I spend time with. So you have that
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  Speaker 2: aspect of it, but then you also have the aspect
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  Speaker 2: of it of they were winning with basically someone on
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  Speaker 2: the team that many of them, I would say, it
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  Speaker 2: seems we'll just say many were uncomfortable with having Leah
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  Speaker 2: Thomas on the team. And now because of the Trump administration,
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  Speaker 2: the Leah Thomas records have been rescinded, some of the
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  Speaker 2: times have been taken away, some of the records, some
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  Speaker 2: of the awards as those things started to take place
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  Speaker 2: now and an apology had to be issued to the
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  Speaker 2: female swimmers, the biologically female swimmers on the team. And
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  Speaker 2: now we're starting to see some of the other swimmers
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  Speaker 2: on the team who have not been comfortable speaking out
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  Speaker 2: speaking out. And that's what I want to talk about
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  Speaker 2: this morning, because let's really look at the fact that
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  Speaker 2: we have people who felt like they weren't able to
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  Speaker 2: talk about this, They felt like they were being mistreated,
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  Speaker 2: but not able to speak publicly about it. Now there's
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  Speaker 2: been a lawsuit that was filed against the university. Three
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  Speaker 2: of the teammates, Grace east of Brook, Margo Kazorowski. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know Kazzarowski, that's probably closer Ellen Holmquist, who all
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  Speaker 2: alleged that the university pressured them to not speak out
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  Speaker 2: about any sort of thoughts about Thomas joining the team.
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  Speaker 2: According to the lawsuit, it says that the students were
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  Speaker 2: basically it says the UPenn administrators went on to tell
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  Speaker 2: the women that if the women spoke publicly about any
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  Speaker 2: concerns about Thomas's participation with the team, the reputation of
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  Speaker 2: those complaining about Thomas being on the team would be
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  Speaker 2: tainted with transphobia for the rest of their lives and
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  Speaker 2: they would probably never be able to get a job.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's just a definition of where
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  Speaker 2: we are as a society, at least of where we
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  Speaker 2: were maybe even a year ago. I do think there
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  Speaker 2: are people now that are starting to feel a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more comfortable speaking up because they feel like now
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  Speaker 2: there are some people who are defending them, that there's
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  Speaker 2: people that are now not afraid to say, we have
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  Speaker 2: a president now who says, look, this is nonsense, We're
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  Speaker 2: going to take these records away. Now. Does that mean
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  Speaker 2: that in just a few years there's going to be
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  Speaker 2: an opportunity for someone to reinstate all those records and
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  Speaker 2: bump all of these biological female athletes back down into
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  Speaker 2: their place below Leah Thomas. It's always a possibility It's
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  Speaker 2: another reason why I think Rush Limball used to always
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  Speaker 2: talk about how conservatism was sort of a you have
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  Speaker 2: to be actively conservative. You can't just sit back and
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  Speaker 2: let things happen. You have to continually in this little
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  Speaker 2: different verbage, I guess than the verbage coming from the
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  Speaker 2: left these days about how you know when they talk
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  Speaker 2: about revolution. But I think Russia's concept of conservatism being
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  Speaker 2: something that you can't just sleep on it and that
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  Speaker 2: you have to actively remain in that mindset of keeping
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  Speaker 2: things in place kind of a theme for the week
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  Speaker 2: when we start talking yesterday and throughout this week, I
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  Speaker 2: got some more topics where we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 2: the importance of, you know, actively being aware what the
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  Speaker 2: left's doing, how they're doing it, why they're doing it,
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  Speaker 2: what the methods are, how they're going to win in
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  Speaker 2: their minds, how they're going to win the battle and
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  Speaker 2: the revolution ultimately. So, Yeah, when you have someone who
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  Speaker 2: comes along and says we're going to actually do something
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  Speaker 2: for you, We're going to fight for you, We're going
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  Speaker 2: to let you have an opportunity to speak your mind,
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  Speaker 2: imagine that an opportunity to actually speak up and be
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  Speaker 2: heard and give your thoughts on something without being labeled
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  Speaker 2: a bigot, without being labeled hateful, and sure, there's going
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  Speaker 2: to be people that are going to label all of
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  Speaker 2: these women in this lawsuit that have already labeled them
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  Speaker 2: just that. More recently, Monica Brzinska is another athlete who
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  Speaker 2: has stepped up and spoken and done some interviews now
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  Speaker 2: where she feels comfortable saying, look, I didn't want this
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  Speaker 2: biological man in the dressing room watch has changed clothes.
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  Speaker 2: There are others, you know. Riley Gaines is one who
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  Speaker 2: has spoken up about, Look, we were at competitions Leah
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  Speaker 2: Thomas would come in the room. There was the feeling
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  Speaker 2: of oh my gosh, there's this very tall man standing
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  Speaker 2: behind us, stripping naked, and while we're expected to change.
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  Speaker 2: And Riley Gaines has given interviews where she's talked and said, look,
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  Speaker 2: this is something. This is an environment where you're an athlete.
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  Speaker 2: You're having to make quick changes, sometimes into very awkward
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  Speaker 2: swimsuits that you're getting into so that you can compete,
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  Speaker 2: and you don't have time to go hide in a stall.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have time to go find a special dressing room.
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  Speaker 2: But she said some athletes still did just that went
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  Speaker 2: to janitor's closets and hid, went to places where they
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  Speaker 2: were able to have some privacy and not feel a violation.
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  Speaker 2: So imagine having a violation but feel like you're feeling
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  Speaker 2: like you're not allowed to speak up about it, feeling
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  Speaker 2: like you're not allowed under threat of being labeled a bigot,
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  Speaker 2: under threat of being labeled transphobic for the rest of
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  Speaker 2: your life, that you can't do that. So now they
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  Speaker 2: actually get an opportunity to speak up. And I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I always need to also put a disclaimer in
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  Speaker 2: myself because I have a number of people in my
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  Speaker 2: life who have transitioned. I've had friends tell me you
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  Speaker 2: seem to have more people in your life than the
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  Speaker 2: average person. That may be the case, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what the average person's experience is with this.
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  Speaker 2: I know what my experience is with it. And I
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  Speaker 2: still say, any of these athletes who would like to
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  Speaker 2: live their lives as a different gender, if they're adults,
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  Speaker 2: they're certainly able to do just that, and they should
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  Speaker 2: be allowed to do just that. I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: it is my place to tell anyone how they're supposed
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  Speaker 2: to live their life, but I'm maintain the moment where
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  Speaker 2: I'm asked to be actively a part of it or
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  Speaker 2: to encourage it. Now, I'm not talking about Look, if
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  Speaker 2: William Thomas wants to be Leah Thomas and wants to
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  Speaker 2: be called Leah Thomas, I don't have a problem with
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  Speaker 2: calling anyone by the name that they've chosen to go by,
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  Speaker 2: unless it's something offensive. And some would maybe argue that
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  Speaker 2: calling a biological man by a woman's name as offensive.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. That's not where I am with this. I
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  Speaker 2: do believe that if this is someone who would like
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  Speaker 2: to live that life, that is completely within Leah Thomas's control.
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  Speaker 2: If you'd like me to acknowledge you as a female,
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  Speaker 2: that's not a big challenge for me. You know, there
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  Speaker 2: are going to be moments where I'm going to see
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  Speaker 2: someone who looks like Lea Thomas and confuse Leah Thomas
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  Speaker 2: for being William Thomas, and those are going to be challenges.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't need to be chastised or called transphobic
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  Speaker 2: just because I see a very tall, what looks like
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  Speaker 2: a man with long hair walking down the street and
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  Speaker 2: I say he. It gets really tricky when we start
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  Speaker 2: getting into the other pronouns, because honestly, those are just
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  Speaker 2: basically landmines that have been presented because when we speak
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  Speaker 2: certain languages like English, the reality is we're used to
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  Speaker 2: speaking a certain way. We're used to using words like
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  Speaker 2: he or she'd refer to one person and they and
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  Speaker 2: them to refer to multiple people. I can still try
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  Speaker 2: to be respectful, but then we start challenging how my
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  Speaker 2: brain is functioning and what my brain is able to do,
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  Speaker 2: because honestly, if you suddenly one day told me that
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  Speaker 2: dogs were now birds and birds were now dogs, I
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  Speaker 2: would have a really hard time with adjusting to that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that I would ever be fully comfortable
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  Speaker 2: with it. There would always be times when I would
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  Speaker 2: see a dog and want to call it a dog,
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  Speaker 2: And it's just the reality. Words do have meaning, and
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  Speaker 2: I am more than happy to do my best to
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  Speaker 2: accommodate and be respectful. But when you start asking me
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  Speaker 2: to change certain aspects of just general conversation and the
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  Speaker 2: way that I speak, it's going to be with some difficulty,
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  Speaker 2: and I feel it's important to stress that, and I
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  Speaker 2: also feel it's important to stress that again back to this,
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  Speaker 2: the reason that we're having this conversation is because men
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  Speaker 2: who decided that they were going to compete in collegiate
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  Speaker 2: level or high school level sports as women have certainly
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  Speaker 2: taken away awards, accolades, oportunities, and just general senses of
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  Speaker 2: accomplishment from women. They've also taken away privacy from women.
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  Speaker 2: They've also taken obviously the ability just to speak up.
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  Speaker 2: If you have someone that you say, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: this person on my team, and I don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: fair that we're even winning, because let's be honest, if
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  Speaker 2: you're competing in a team and there's someone on your
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  Speaker 2: team that probably should not be on your team and
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  Speaker 2: you're winning, you don't feel the victory doesn't feel the same,
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  Speaker 2: does it. I mean, if you feel that you're cheating
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  Speaker 2: and that you're not allowed to speak up about it,
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  Speaker 2: and if the institution that you're competing for, whose colors
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  Speaker 2: you're wearing where you're attending school, has told you, if
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  Speaker 2: this lawsuit is accurate, and has told you that you're
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  Speaker 2: not allowed to speak up about it, maybe winning is
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  Speaker 2: more important to them than what's fair to those women
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  Speaker 2: that are trying to compete. And if that's the case,
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  Speaker 2: then it sounds like the perspective on all of it
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  Speaker 2: is certainly more about winning, and it's certainly more about
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  Speaker 2: doing something that is perceived as socially acceptable to a
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  Speaker 2: very small group while alienating a very large group of people.
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  Speaker 2: Carol Morning Show. Right after the break well, with NIL
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  Speaker 2: deals and the surge in the EA Sports College Football game,
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  Speaker 2: it probably seemed inevitable that EA would be possibly bringing
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  Speaker 2: back it's college basketball game. Not a big shock there
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  Speaker 2: makes sense with NIL. You have athletes that saying, why
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  Speaker 2: are the football players making money off of EA Sports games?
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  Speaker 2: Why can't we get back college basketball from EA? Well,
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  Speaker 2: there's been a hint coming from EA Sports saying on
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  Speaker 2: social media that college basketball video game could be making
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  Speaker 2: that comeback in ZA Sports releasing the last game in
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, so a reboot could very well
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  Speaker 2: be in the works, and I think there's certainly going
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  Speaker 2: to be a large push from that from some of
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  Speaker 2: the athletes that would ye like to see themselves in
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  Speaker 2: the game and also like to cash in a little
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  Speaker 2: bit on that. So good for them. I mean, this
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  Speaker 2: is one of those areas where NIL makes absolute sense,
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  Speaker 2: and the video games are certainly one of those things
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  Speaker 2: where you're able to play as your favorite athlete on
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  Speaker 2: a team. So good for them. All Right, We've had
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  Speaker 2: this story multiple times and it's back again. It's a
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  Speaker 2: different one, I guess because it's once again we're coming
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  Speaker 2: up with what they say they may have found. Amelia
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  Speaker 2: Earhartz planes. One of the great mysteries her disappearance. In
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  Speaker 2: nineteen thirty seven, while she tried to fly around the world,
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  Speaker 2: she went down somewhere in the South Pacific. Wreckage of
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  Speaker 2: the plane never found, while researchers at Purdue University planning
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  Speaker 2: a new search for the plane based on some recent
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  Speaker 2: satellite footage which shows what could be the wreckage peaking
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  Speaker 2: from the sand about one thousand miles from Fiji. That
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  Speaker 2: location is near her planned flight path and in an
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  Speaker 2: area where her distress calls came from. From the shape
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  Speaker 2: of the object, they say it seems to match the plane.
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  Speaker 2: Not everyone convinced, though. I guess the people who have
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  Speaker 2: maybe in the past thought hey, maybe this is it. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's not. Those people probably aren't convinced. Rick Gillespie of
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  Speaker 2: the International Group of Historic Aircraft Recovery saying, we've looked
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  Speaker 2: there in that spot. There's nothing there, So at least
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  Speaker 2: he seems to be convinced. They've already looked there, they've
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  Speaker 2: already combed the desert. So we'll see maybe, just maybe
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  Speaker 2: one of the world's great aviators. May we may finally
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  Speaker 2: get an understanding of exactly what happened to Amelia Earhart
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  Speaker 2: and where she actually went down. Eventually, you got to
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  Speaker 2: figure there's a chance they're going to find the plane.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to find some sign, some type of wreckage.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, a new survey found that it costs about
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  Speaker 2: four thousand, seven hundred and eighty five dollars each year
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  Speaker 2: to be a sports fan. Number crunchers added up the
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  Speaker 2: cost of services with live sports, including YouTube, MLB TV,
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  Speaker 2: the NBA League Pass, NFL Sunday Ticket, and Peacock, among
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  Speaker 2: many others, and sure enough, all that streaming is great
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  Speaker 2: give sports fans access like we've never seen before, but
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  Speaker 2: it also costs thousands of dollars now for all of
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  Speaker 2: the subscriptions. I think the streaming has been great in general.
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  Speaker 2: It's given people the opportunity that we're begging for years
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  Speaker 2: for Ola Kart service with cable, to have an opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to say, look, I'm an Ola Kart. This with streaming services.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact that you have sports like football like
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  Speaker 2: the NFL or college football that are tied in with
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  Speaker 2: so many different streaming services that you have to which
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  Speaker 2: you know it makes sense. It makes sense to me
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  Speaker 2: why some of the streaming services would say, hey, we'd
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  Speaker 2: like to have the exclusive rights to you know, whatever game.
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  Speaker 2: I get that it does make it very hard for
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  Speaker 2: people that don't have all of those streaming services to
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  Speaker 2: follow their favorite team. It becomes quite a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a challenge, and I think it's maybe the reason why
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  Speaker 2: we're looking at this almost five thousand dollars a year
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  Speaker 2: just to be a sports fan and follow a team. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: did you see the Speaking of sports, did you see
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  Speaker 2: that in China AI powered robots, humanoid robots took the
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  Speaker 2: field for China's first ever robo league match. The robots
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  Speaker 2: played three v three, dribbling and kicking along the way,
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  Speaker 2: all without human control. This is all AI powered. The
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  Speaker 2: action was sloppy. I've seen some sports teams that were
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  Speaker 2: humans though. That was sloppy sports, so I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that's crazy. They were kind of sloppy, and they still
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  Speaker 2: have some progress that they have to make. But the
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  Speaker 2: idea was, you know, there could be a future in
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  Speaker 2: some AI sports, and I guess they're tech world trying
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  Speaker 2: to get ready for the world humanoid robot games coming
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  Speaker 2: in August. We talked about that one of the other
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  Speaker 2: things that took place, I guess is one of the
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  Speaker 2: robots fell down and they had to come out and
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  Speaker 2: attend to the robot during the match and get it
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  Speaker 2: back on its feet. I guess that's showing that it
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  Speaker 2: was true soccer. As a soccer fan, coach and lover
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  Speaker 2: and player for a long time, I can say that
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  Speaker 2: I'm not just knocking it. But it is a bit
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  Speaker 2: dramatic when the players go down with injury. As my
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  Speaker 2: son Luke likes to point out, when they fall, Oh no,
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  Speaker 2: he's dead. Oh he's alive again, because the injuries do
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  Speaker 2: seem to be quite dramatic, don't they. All right, that'll
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