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Russell Disqualified from Formula 1 WIN at SPA!! Belgian GP Recap - Fast Laps with the Boys | Summer Preview · Banter with the Boys

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  Get laced up. Let's go!
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  It's time for Banter with the Boys.
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  Yo, welcome back to Banter with the Boys.
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  Fast laps, we got the Belgian recap coming at you today,
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  and then kind of a summer break preview.
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  But before we get into all that,
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  this episode is sponsored by the Cappy,
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  heading into summer break for F1.
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  You know what I mean?
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  So like what...
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  Obviously we're gonna be off for a little bit.
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  What are you gonna do with your summer break from F1?
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  I will be poolside.
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  Poolside, oh that's right, you got a pool.
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  As much as I can. Got it open.
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  It's as clear as day.
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  Little bit dirt on the bottom, still can't get that out,
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  We're swimming, boys.
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  Absolutely. No worries at all.
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  Got kids jumping in the pool.
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  No pool water gets in my drink.
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  For sure, for sure.
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  Joe, summer break, what are you doing?
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  Well, obviously I'm researching more F1, right?
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  I mean, I feel like the F1 season never ends.
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  It goes from February to December.
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  We get that one month off.
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  Well, for true F1 fans, it's 12-month season.
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  It's a 12-month season.
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  So besides that, however, I mean, yes, summer is a great
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  time to get together with friends, you know, share a
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  couple brews, a couple jokes.
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  Cappy's really good with a bunch of people, you know.
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  You have this little key ring here thing, so you can hold a
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  lot of them at the same time and they're different colors.
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  So you're all drinking the same thing.
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  You can make sure that you're not sipping from someone else's
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  drink.
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  Yeah, I always forget they are color coordinated.
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  You can kind of plan that out.
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  Yeah.
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  You just got to put a little tape on your shirt so you can
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  remember yourself which one is yours.
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  Ah, good point.
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  Yeah.
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  Or you just get two.
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  Keep one on your key chain.
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  I feel like that's just not going to go well after a good
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  old day of Cappy and...
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  Of Cappy and...
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  Well, with that, again, thanks to the Cappy for sponsoring
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  this episode.
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  Let's dive right into that Belgian recap.
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  And of course, before we run, I mean drive right into the
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  Belgian recap.
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  You'd think this guy's the dad over here.
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  Yeah.
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  No, zero kids so far.
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  Let's roll right into obviously who we got next to me, Joe,
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  our co-host.
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  Joe, what's going on this week?
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  Nothing much, you know.
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  Just busy, busy week.
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  I love Spa.
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  It was a really fun race to watch.
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  Sad it's over.
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  Sad we have the summer break.
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  I know I joked about being in F1 all the summer break, but
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  there's only so much you can do.
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  Hopefully, silly season is truly silly.
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  That'd be nice.
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  Going to Road America this week, then?
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  I'm going to Road America doing sports car.
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  Definitely different from F1.
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  Very, very different from F1.
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  I know every time I go, I'm always asking questions of the
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  people I go with because I'm always in the F1 kind of rule
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  mindset and it's just so different.
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  Sure, sure.
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  So if you see Joe out at Road America this weekend, come say
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  what's up.
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  And obviously next to Joe, we got Tyler.
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  Tyler, what's going on?
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  Not much, man.
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  Little bittersweet today is I'm going to be taking a little
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  break from the pod here, welcoming my third child into
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  the world.
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  So I'm going to have to go be a dad, but I'm excited to be
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  here, man.
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  Fun race.
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  It was Spa.
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  Spa's always fun.
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  I love racing that track.
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  I love just going through and Roche.
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  It's my favorite part of the entire game.
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  I want to agree with you so bad.
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  My track record there is not good.
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  No pun intended.
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  I got full of them.
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  We're on fire today.
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  All right.
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  Let's just move on.
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  Nobody's listening.
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  So let's roll right into Quali before we get to the results,
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  which were wild.
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  Quali was kind of interesting to me.
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  Obviously Max, you know, getting pulled, but not because of the
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  grid penalty.
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  So he didn't even just get pulled.
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  He got pulled by half a second.
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  Right.
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  He was killed.
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  He was so fast all weekend.
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  It really shows just like, I mean, do you guys, I guess, do you guys think it's the
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  driver that's good in the rain or if it's still the car that has the superiority?
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  Because I mean, once the rain went away, obviously people were a little more even matched, but
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  he was dominating.
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  Like there was like no question who was the fastest on Saturday by any means.
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  I think it would have been closer if the rain wasn't there.
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  Yeah.
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  Like I definitely think, you know, experience comes into play with that.
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  The car, I don't know, because Sergio, I mean, Sergio did so good too, right?
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  We haven't seen that in a really long time.
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  What a great Quali from Sergio.
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  So it might have something to do with the car.
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  But I mean, are they, I guess, I don't, I don't know how much teams would effort they
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  would put into making cars better in the rain versus better overall and how much they're
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  like, I don't know.
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  I mean, that's an interesting question.
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  That's an interesting question because like the Red Bulls look stupid fast on Saturday
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  and did not have the pace Sunday.
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  Max had the pace.
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  Yeah, one of them had the pace.
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  I would say that the car necessarily didn't because there's, I mean, the car is what held
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  Max Bane, you know, a podium, let alone winning this race.
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  Like he's done the last two years from 11th after a grid penalty.
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  Yeah.
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  No, true, true.
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  Yeah, I just agree with everything you guys said.
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  Obviously Red Bull, Max specifically, but Red Bull was the fastest of the weekend, including
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  quality, and then obviously if we get into the results now, Chacko did not quite.
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  I don't know.
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  That was the biggest disappointment for me.
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  But before we even get into that, sorry, I'm jumping the gun here.
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  We had George Russell winning the race only to be DQ'd in post.
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  And what, what it was because he was overweight, underweight, underweight, underweight.
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  That's what it was.
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  Like 1.5 kilos, I think.
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  1.5 kilos or 3.3 pounds.
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  Gotcha.
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  Underweight.
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  And that's because he used more fuel.
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  Is what, it wasn't fuel related they said?
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  They tried to trick the FIA from a little fuel draining, but you have to drain the car.
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  I think it's like 1.5 liters of fuel.
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  It's a certain amount of fuel you have to actually like leave in the car post race for,
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  we actually like touched on it.
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  No, not for weight purposes.
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  So the car doesn't run out of gas on the track.
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  So it's, we actually learned that from Joe earlier this year in the pod.
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  But it was like, I don't know, it just, something seemed fishy about the, not that like George
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  was able to do a one stop.
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  He drove the best, the race of his life.
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  It was an absolutely phenomenal performance by him.
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  Seriously.
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  I don't think that can be taken away.
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  I don't know how much 1.5 kilos truly does matter, right?
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  Did he have that over this course of the last, what, 30 laps he didn't pit?
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  Are those tires going to manage as well?
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  I don't know.
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  It's just automatic, two bit little, little inside baseball for me.
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  But it sucks for George.
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  It sucks for George.
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  But Toto like, I don't know, Toto just looked fishy after the race.
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  The whole, he didn't like, when you get a one, two.
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  He almost knew.
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  Yeah.
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  I just noticed that too.
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  He just looked so fishy after race.
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  Like he didn't, like even when they finished, he didn't get like excited like he usually
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  does, you know, hop on the radio, hyping up.
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  Like they got a one, two.
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  He already knew that they were going to be DQ.
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  Yeah, that is weird.
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  He really had no, there was no emotion.
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  Like, you know, it was just like, there was just nothing.
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  And he just FaceTime Suzy.
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  That is super weird.
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  That is super weird.
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  Um, what it at least does show you, if you're a Mercedes fan, that the team's absolutely
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  going to be going in the right direction at the hands of George Russell.
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  I mean, I'd feel pretty good right now.
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  And I mean, they just keep getting better and better, more consistent as far as like
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  podiums go, obviously the DQ this race.
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  But I mean, Lewis right behind him.
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  Yep.
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  And not only was he right behind him, Lewis was still charging there at the end too.
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  Yeah, he got past right behind him too, which was also coming.
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  But just seeing Mercedes one, two is insane right now.
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  I just two years ago, I would have never thought we were going to get this close to seeing
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  it again, to be honest with you.
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  Yeah.
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  After Lewis and Botas and I don't know.
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  Anything else on Mercedes Joe that you saw?
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  Yeah, it's just, it's truly a bummer.
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  I agree with you and I heard that there was a lot of speculation on Mercedes maybe knowing
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  about it and reading the penalty notes.
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  It seemed like that they, they did not argue about it at all.
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  They did not.
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  They're not trying to appeal it.
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  They just were like, yep, this is, this is how it is.
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  I don't know exactly how the weighing process happens and what exactly is weighed.
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  But I know that something that the drivers typically do is pick up rubber before they
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  go into the pits.
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  And after hitting the checkered flag, they were told to just turn around into the pit,
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  into the pit exit.
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  So they had no, no time to pick up rubber.
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  And that's, that's how it's, that's a spa thing.
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  It's like one of the, it's one of the only tracks that you just turn around in the pit
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  exit.
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  There's no formation lap or victory lap, whatever.
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  It was all the cars.
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  That makes sense.
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  I found that interesting.
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  If you're weighed with those tires, that's a couple, I don't know if it's 3.3 pounds,
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  but it's definitely a little bit of weight, but that could have been added.
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  But if you know that that's the way it's going to be at spa, you'd think you'd also plan
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  for that.
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  I think it was underweight.
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  We're talking numbers.
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  I would never consider.
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  I think no other car was underweight.
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  I'm trying to, I'm hoping that it's not Mercedes trying to cheat, but instead it's just them
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  trying to play the system and play a little risky and it just didn't work.
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  I mean, he, he was on those tires for a really long time.
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  So let's, let's say they, they just played the risk right and lost, right?
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  You still can't take away what George said in the race.
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  Like I said, again, I'm feeling pretty good.
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  Like that George might be able to battle with the McLaren's, you know, I think that I think
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  so.
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  Yeah.
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  The only thing with it too, it's like, it was bittersweet when it, the race ended right
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  for Lewis because Lewis drove a phenomenal race, right?
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  He was net P one the entire race.
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  Yeah.
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  Like the entire, even at the end, he was still like, is George's tires going to make it right?
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  He drove like Mercedes strategy better than anybody else's on that race.
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  That's for sure.
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  But, and it's, it's like, it, it, it's kind of bittersweet for Lewis, right?
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  Cause he deserved to win the race with how we drove.
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  He deserved to win that race.
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  And then he did win under a quality, like a, a class of, what's it called?
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  Like under a, there's a word that's just slipping my mind right now.
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  Under a, oh yeah.
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  And now I can't think of it either.
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  Like under, yeah, that's really going to bother me.
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  And then I'm going to learn it.
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  I'm going to think of it in like three minutes and then it'll all be gone.
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  Comment on it on the video at the time stamp.
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  But for overall, still really good showing for Mercedes.
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  You know, George had no business winning this race.
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  It is a good showing for Mercedes, but like before we quick depart from, from Mercedes,
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  it still sucks losing that one too.
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  And the contractors, like that's, that's, that's big, right?
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  How much, 25 points lost.
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  It's 25 points lost.
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  18 points lost.
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  18, yeah, that's what I mean.
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  Oh yeah, because Lewis picks up the 7th.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  It's 18 points.
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  But like that's, that would have been a nice chunk to pick up right now.
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  And we'll get into like the recap of that a little bit later, like where everybody's
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  laid a little bit later, but that 18 points for George would have been huge too.
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  Or the 25 points for George, shall I say.
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  Ooh, I am curious.
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  Yeah, we'll look at that later.
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  I'm curious where he would have been.
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  Like it's just, it's good and bad for Mercedes, right?
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  You won the race.
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  It is good.
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  It's good, but it's, I think.
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  For me, and it's good for Lewis, but I think it's, that outweighs the good.
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  That outweighs the good for Mercedes this week.
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  Especially going into summer break.
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  Now you got three weeks for, what is it, four weeks?
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  Three weeks, right?
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  Three weeks, yeah, three weeks.
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  For people to just sit and stir on this.
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  You're taking a win into summer.
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  Don't get me wrong.
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  That's better than any other team, right?
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  But it could have been so much better, and that's, that's what sucks.
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  Yeah.
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  Somebody lose their job for that.
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  Yeah.
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  I ended up watching, I had to watch Spa a little late.
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  Low level guys.
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  You're done.
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  I had to watch Spa a little late, like a little bit later in the day because I was busy in
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  the morning, and I unfortunately got spoiled about George getting disqualified.
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  So like the whole race, I'm like, well, hopefully he doesn't get too high and it's not too bad
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  of a loss.
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  Man.
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  So you were still surprised at that.
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  That was rough.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, yeah, once I got to like lap 35, I was like, oh no.
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  Yeah.
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  I didn't know why he got disqualified, but I knew he got disqualified.
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  So yeah, that was, that was rough to watch, but.
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  Well, enough about Mercedes woes and highs and lows, I guess in that race.
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  We'll move right into McLaren, Oscar finishing P3, but getting the P2 after the Russell DQ.
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  What a race from him.
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  And like I already mentioned, he was charging at the end.
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  I mean, he's, he's showing that, no, he's for real.
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  He can battle with the big boys right now.
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  Yeah.
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  He's not scared of it.
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  I mean, I remember watching, I don't know, a couple of episodes ago, like when he's,
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  if he's going into a battle, into a corner, he's not backing out of it.
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  It reminds me a little bit of Ocon, but he succeeds a little bit more with it.
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  No, no, no, no.
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  He succeeds a little bit more with it.
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  Come on.
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  He succeeds more with it.
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  It's not even close to Ocon.
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  Ocon does the same thing, but he runs into people.
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  The same thing.
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  Allegedly.
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  Yeah, allegedly.
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  No, yeah, I was, I mean, it's like what I said in last week's preview.
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  I just think he's really comfortable on this track.
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  He got second place in the sprint last year and just got unlucky at the start with signs
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  during the race.
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  I knew he was going to do something this race and give a few more laps.
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  He catches the Mercedes and he fights them.
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  I don't know.
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  I don't know if he beats them, but he fights them for sure.
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  He was, he was quick.
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  I was incredibly happy to see him up there.
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  Now not taking away anything from Oscar, but if Lando can figure out how to, how to start
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  a race, I just, it's, it's every race.
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  We know we've mentioned it before.
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  And what is there to do?
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  It's concerning at this point.
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  At this point, I mean, at this point he's, he's literally losing races.
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  I'm not saying he would have won this race.
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  I don't think.
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  Not this one specifically, but he's, he probably would have fought for a fault or got a podium
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  with the way that how quick that McLaren was with Mercedes DQ happened to be a DQ.
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  What is, what is wrong?
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  I don't, I don't think it's nothing in the car.
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  Oscar's starting or he, Oscar's, Oscar's almost on like a max level starting right now.
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  Right.
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  And, and it's just back on the Oscar point though, more like Alonso than Ocon.
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  I'll give you the start.
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  Give you the start.
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  Alonso's got good starts.
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  No, I'm just saying in terms of the battle.
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  Oh God.
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  Oh God.
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  It's Alonso puts the elbows out.
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  I don't know what I'm saying.
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  Like I'm, oh God, this could be a conversation, but yeah, I'll give it to you.
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  But yeah, no, it's, it's with, with Lando, it's like, it's actually concerning because
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  I mean, like the last couple of races probably would have won if he would have started better.
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  And then like he gets, he even this one, he had the space.
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  He's just, he needs to be fight a, he needs to have a little bit more pastry and I'm in
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  the start.
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  Cause we're like Lando's getting pushed out and just like taking that Oscar's not, he's
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  taking that space.
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  We're talking about a guy that just last, last episode we were talking about that could
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  be considered eventually winning a driver championship.
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  And right now it's like, I don't think if he can't get past this, can he even do that?
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  Yeah.
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  It's just been like a bad swat three off the start.
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  I think he lost three.
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  Yeah.
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  He did lose.
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  He lost three positions or something.
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  Yeah.
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  Three positions almost immediately.
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  It's definitely a bad quirk this season.
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  I don't think I've seen it much from him other seasons.
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  It's something he's got to work on.
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  I will kind of, I'll give him a little bit benefit of doubt last race.
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  I think they were, I think they were saying, they were saying, I'm saying they being the
• 15:54
  team and, and himself, we're saying that I think he was having some like gear changing
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  issues right off the launch in last race.
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  That being said way too many race starts for it to be just like a, like a, like a, you
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  know, a technical issue.
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  I just think he needs to get better at them.
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  If it's a technical issue, hire a new technical director.
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  Yeah.
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  It's like you're, you're losing races at this point.
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  It's not just like a one race hiccup that he just didn't have a good reaction time.
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  Right?
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  Like that's not what it is.
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  Like, do we have a crystal ball, is he for sure losing right? like all these races?
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  Like maybe he's definitely losing a couple.
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  We would imagine.
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  Well, they're definitely losing out on points, like valuable.
• 16:31
  Yeah.
• 16:32
  Even if it's not even a win, right?
• 16:34
  It's a podium.
• 16:35
  Yeah.
• 16:36
  It's like, they're just, they're, I don't know.
• 16:38
  I mean, do I, I think he could turn it around and actually instill put a fight to max, but
• 16:45
  to do that, Oscar's going to have to slow down a little bit.
• 16:48
  Well, and that's, and that's just it.
• 16:51
  Like, do you think McLaren strategy, we talked about it the last step, but you think McLaren
• 16:55
  strategy at this point, every race should be whoever gets Cole's speaking to Cole.
• 17:01
  I didn't, I forgot to mention that he's not here.
• 17:03
  As you see, there's three of us.
• 17:05
  Cole is missing today.
• 17:06
  So we have no dark web news at all.
• 17:09
  So no wonder we don't know anything today.
• 17:11
  Um, dang, where was I going with that?
• 17:15
  Hmm.
• 17:16
  What was the time?
• 17:18
  I don't remember.
• 17:19
  I know we're talking about Norris.
• 17:20
  Um, I do have a quote on him talking about his spark, his starts just right away.
• 17:25
  And then maybe you can rethink about what we're talking about.
• 17:27
  Um, so he, he, he, he's quoted saying some of my starts have not been great.
• 17:31
  I've lost a good amount of points off the line and now turn one again, easily a podium
• 17:36
  or even more.
• 17:37
  There isn't one reason I was just trying a bit too hard and paying a price for that.
• 17:41
  Um, and yeah, I mean, he just, yeah, he just, I don't know.
• 17:45
  It's just the fighting right off the line.
• 17:46
  I don't know.
• 17:47
  Maybe it's, I don't want to say it's like confidence.
• 17:49
  It's just, I don't know, bad timing.
• 17:51
  Sometimes I hate to say like, you know, he's getting bad luck after all these races, right?
• 17:56
  It's just, no, it's becoming more consistent.
• 17:58
  Yeah.
• 17:59
  There's an American term for it that you don't say in sports.
• 18:01
  It's a four letter word and it starts with Y.
• 18:06
  I'm not going to say it because I'm a McLaren fan.
• 18:09
  I'm surprised you're not getting it.
• 18:10
  Oops.
• 18:11
  It's, it's more commonly referred in baseball.
• 18:13
  It's a four letter word begins with Y ends with S. Ah, it's the yips.
• 18:19
  Oh, the yips.
• 18:20
  Okay.
• 18:21
  Yeah.
• 18:22
  No, I'm glad you said that because I would have been, this would have been a really long
• 18:24
  episode.
• 18:25
  I was just like being silent trying to figure it out.
• 18:28
  But it's, that's, I mean, is that like, I don't know.
• 18:30
  It's just so weird.
• 18:31
  Before every race?
• 18:32
  It's so weird.
• 18:33
  I mean, maybe it is starting to affect him.
• 18:35
  Maybe he's starting to feel a little bit of that pressure.
• 18:38
  Everybody else, including us, obviously he listens to us.
• 18:40
  We're talking about him as a potential, you know, world champion someday.
• 18:45
  And maybe that's starting to actually affect him.
• 18:47
  Well, I mean, to, to be a McLaren fan here, it did come out afterwards that he dealt,
• 18:54
  he dealt with the death of his grandmother in the week last week.
• 18:57
  So that was getting to him all weekend and going into the weekend.
• 18:59
  But again, I mean, I'm not going to say you're an excuse it because.
• 19:02
  Right now we all feel like big jerks.
• 19:03
  Well, no, it's not one race that has happened.
• 19:05
  Right, right, right.
• 19:07
  But, I mean, he still drove the strategy again, hurt Lando in this race.
• 19:13
  Like they, they waited long in the first stint, allowed Max to gain some position there.
• 19:18
  And then when Max pitted, they pitted right after.
• 19:20
  So they didn't, they, it's just the strategy is just really, really hurting Lando and McLaren
• 19:25
  right now.
• 19:27
  Not saying that it ultimately would have mattered because Lando had the ability to catch Max
• 19:31
  and he didn't, couldn't, he had, you know, he was gaining on him and he just wasn't able
• 19:36
  to pass him.
• 19:37
  No, no.
• 19:38
  So.
• 19:39
  And that, that difference in, you know, it ended up being fourth and fifth, that three
• 19:43
  points or what is it?
• 19:44
  Yeah, the three points in the grand schemes of where they're at right now and how much
• 19:47
  they need to like, he needs to just slowly knock that down.
• 19:52
  That's going to hurt him.
• 19:53
  No, for sure.
• 19:54
  Joe, any parting thoughts on McLaren since, since you are a McLaren fan that wears a Mercedes
• 19:58
  hat?
• 19:59
  Definitely.
• 20:00
  You're right.
• 20:01
  Definitely opposing strategies for Lando.
• 20:04
  I still think it's not strategy that, that like made him have a bad race.
• 20:08
  It was just his driving, unfortunately.
• 20:09
  Absolutely.
• 20:10
  I think the strategy just cost him, you know, fourth versus fifth.
• 20:14
  Sure.
• 20:15
  Or it could have.
• 20:16
  So heading into break, then McLaren knows exactly what they need to be looking at fixing.
• 20:21
  Yep.
• 20:22
  To say the least.
• 20:23
  Cars there.
• 20:24
  It's a rocket ship right now.
• 20:25
  But it's been the same.
• 20:26
  It's been, we've been saying the same thing the last few races, all of us up here.
• 20:29
  It's strategy, strategy, strategy, and they're not changing anything.
• 20:32
  Lewis is even trying to compliment the car and getting snarky remarks.
• 20:38
  Oh no, I love his response to that though.
• 20:41
  Were you even here seven years ago?
• 20:42
  He's such a classic.
• 20:43
  I love that so much.
• 20:44
  He just doesn't care.
• 20:45
  Yeah, Sir Lewis.
• 20:46
  Speaking of Lewis, in a way, going to Ferrari next year, but let's head right into Ferrari.
• 20:52
  That was a horrible segue.
• 20:53
  Good segue.
• 20:54
  Speaking of Lewis, Ferrari, nice here, but this race.
• 20:59
  Such a massive reach, but yeah, Ferrari though, obviously, there ain't obviously a lot today.
• 21:08
  Charles getting a podium with the DQ of Russell, but he did run a pretty good race.
• 21:13
  Max was charging on him right there at the end, but he hung on, ended up getting the
• 21:18
  podium and then Carlos finishing P6.
• 21:22
  At least it's better, you know, slightly than recent races.
• 21:28
  But we were hoping for big upgrades from Ferrari after the break.
• 21:33
  You know, he started in P7, you know, with a top eight or top seven of who you're racing
• 21:42
  against.
• 21:43
  I mean, it's kind of what you got to, that's good enough, honestly, for Ferrari right now.
• 21:48
  You know, it's right where they belong right now.
• 21:50
  I mean, let's be honest.
• 21:52
  For Charles to grab a podium is very impressive.
• 21:56
  I would agree with that, but at the end of the day, like Lando and Max, at the end of
• 22:02
  the day, he take away George's penalty.
• 22:03
  He dropped three spots from his race start.
• 22:06
  For sure.
• 22:07
  You know, and Lewis caught him quick for sure.
• 22:09
  And Charles had no ability to come back after having a pull to start with a Max Verstappen
• 22:14
  penalty, but had a pull nonetheless.
• 22:18
  And another slow, he had a slow start too, kinda.
• 22:21
  It wasn't that impressive.
• 22:23
  He led what?
• 22:24
  No, he got it.
• 22:25
  Did he lead to lap three and that's when Lewis took it?
• 22:27
  No, Lewis took it right away.
• 22:29
  Did he?
• 22:30
  I think.
• 22:31
  Oh no, Lewis was fighting Sergio right away.
• 22:32
  Yeah, no, that was fun.
• 22:33
  They were wheels of wind.
• 22:34
  That was fun.
• 22:35
  I'm looking forward to talking about that.
• 22:37
  Yeah.
• 22:38
  They had tires bouncing.
• 22:39
  Yeah, you're right.
• 22:40
  Charles did lead for, yeah, it was probably three laps or so.
• 22:42
  I think so.
• 22:43
  And then he led a little bit later again, but it was just pitstops.
• 22:47
  Was it Charles that led?
• 22:48
  Or Carlos led for a little bit?
• 22:50
  I think just with pitstops, they both probably led a little bit.
• 22:53
  Oh, gotcha.
• 22:54
  And Carlos was like, cause he wanted to go real, he wanted to go long.
• 22:57
  Yeah.
• 22:58
  He wanted a one stop.
• 22:59
  Yeah, let's see.
• 23:00
  Leclerc's still leading through lap two.
• 23:01
  Yeah, it's like lap three that, yeah, there it is right there.
• 23:07
  That Lewis passed him.
• 23:08
  But anyway, Ramblin'.
• 23:09
  Yeah, I guess I can agree with you guys.
• 23:14
  Ferrari's right where they should be, I guess, for now, but hopefully they got something
• 23:17
  else coming and actually can put a fight to Mercedes or McLaren.
• 23:24
  But maybe realistically, their battle is just, hey, let's just finish in front of Checo right
• 23:28
  now and, you know, prove that we have a faster car or driver than Red Bull's number two.
• 23:35
  I don't know.
• 23:36
  I think Ferrari can be happy that they finished third.
• 23:40
  100%.
• 23:41
  They beat Lando.
• 23:42
  I agree.
• 23:43
  And Max.
• 23:44
  And Max.
• 23:45
  And the other Red Bull car and Checo.
• 23:48
  That should happen.
• 23:50
  But you got to throw it in there.
• 23:51
  It's still a fast car.
• 23:53
  We've had the conversation all year.
• 23:54
  If anybody else is in the Checo car, are they doing better at this point?
• 23:59
  Probably.
• 24:00
  That's conversation.
• 24:01
  We'll save it.
• 24:02
  We'll save it when we get to like driver's standings.
• 24:04
  Okay, okay, good.
• 24:05
  I thought you were going the other way with that.
• 24:07
  Yeah, yeah.
• 24:08
  I think Joe could give him a run for his money.
• 24:09
  Logan, buddy.
• 24:10
  Put me in there.
• 24:11
  Logan.
• 24:12
  I hear he's free.
• 24:16
  With that, let's head into Red Bull.
• 24:18
  Max, let's start with Max.
• 24:21
  Old Maxwell.
• 24:23
  Just again, he was so fast all weekend long.
• 24:27
  It was great.
• 24:28
  I was like watching qualifying.
• 24:29
  I was like, no, no, it's happening.
• 24:32
  It's happening.
• 24:33
  Nice to see you.
• 24:34
  I'm still getting a top five, top four.
• 24:37
  Yeah, I was worried after seeing the qualifying.
• 24:39
  He's got all the good cars he's got to climb through.
• 24:41
  I was like, Max is going to...
• 24:42
  A lot of his drivers that are going to give at least a little bit of defense.
• 24:44
  Yeah.
• 24:45
  Nah, there's really just one.
• 24:46
  Alonzo.
• 24:47
  No, Orlando.
• 24:48
  Yeah, Orlando.
• 24:49
  Yeah.
• 24:50
  That Aston ain't putting up any fight right now with the Red Bull, dude.
• 24:54
  The driver might.
• 24:55
  You never know.
• 24:56
  He might be able to fight as much as he wants.
• 24:59
  That Red Bull is still going by.
• 25:00
  Yeah, at some point.
• 25:01
  Max might as well just be patient.
• 25:03
  He'll get his opportunity.
• 25:05
  Yeah, Max obviously fast as heck, gets the P5 or rather P4 after the DQ.
• 25:12
  And Checo, is that true?
• 25:14
  Checo ended up getting fastest lap?
• 25:16
  Yeah, he pitted on the second to last lap.
• 25:19
  Okay, I ended up pulling it out.
• 25:20
  He got it the last lap, if I'm not mistaken.
• 25:22
  Yeah.
• 25:23
  There's 44 laps in this one?
• 25:24
  Okay.
• 25:25
  Yeah.
• 25:26
  Yep, he pit because he was...
• 25:27
  I mean, it shows him like 35 or so seconds behind whoever was ahead of him, but that's
• 25:32
  because he pit.
• 25:33
  He had enough time behind him to not lose any positions.
• 25:35
  So fastest lap for Checo.
• 25:37
  I mean, a somewhat decent finish in comparison to what he's been doing, but he did start
• 25:41
  P2 and all that.
• 25:43
  Anybody wanted to talk to him, talk to him about, geez, after the race was if he has
• 25:49
  a seat or not, to which he just replied, you know, I don't think I'm going to be responding
• 25:54
  anymore to any future speculation.
• 25:56
  Essentially just letting them do their thing.
• 25:57
  He's just going to continue to focus on racing.
• 26:00
  And he did pull out the fastest lap.
• 26:03
  So there's something to be said about that.
• 26:08
  He needs better results coming out of something.
• 26:12
  He ended up eighth, right?
• 26:14
  Seventh.
• 26:15
  After DQ.
• 26:16
  So before DQ, the top eight were so far ahead of everyone else.
• 26:21
  Those were the top teams, right?
• 26:23
  So like, no, it doesn't say anything that got fastest.
• 26:25
  But you're the worst of the best then.
• 26:27
  I would 100% say that's not even debatable at this point.
• 26:30
  I'll give him his flowers in that he wasn't racing against the worst teams.
• 26:37
  He was racing.
• 26:38
  Well, no, he was racing.
• 26:39
  He was in that top eight.
• 26:41
  That's good, I guess.
• 26:42
  But he still, he started way higher than what you're thinking.
• 26:45
  And the battle with Lewis was good.
• 26:46
  I mean, he was, we saw some good stuff from Checo there, the first couple laps.
• 26:51
  It was a hundred meter battle off the race start.
• 26:54
  And then it wasn't even, that was so fun.
• 26:56
  I loved watching Checo try to dive in to get behind Leclerc.
• 27:00
  And Lewis just didn't move.
• 27:02
  It was so good to see Checo go in and then have to bail out because he was about to.
• 27:06
  So, so good.
• 27:07
  I really want to know what the closest their tires actually came.
• 27:11
  They didn't touch, no, they didn't touch.
• 27:14
  They didn't touch, but they had a slow-mo of it.
• 27:16
  And I mean, it had to be like one or two centimeters.
• 27:19
  Fit a slice of paper in between.
• 27:21
  Yeah, dude, it was close.
• 27:22
  I honestly thought they touched.
• 27:23
  I could have sworn, but they didn't touch.
• 27:25
  It was real close.
• 27:26
  But the only thing I was thinking during that is like the reaction time of these drivers
• 27:30
  is just absolutely insane.
• 27:33
  It's not even like the fact that like you got somebody that quick and you're in, it's
• 27:37
  not even a thought.
• 27:38
  You're just doing that little quick adjustment and they're moving maybe one, two feet of
• 27:43
  actual space.
• 27:45
  It's just insane the reaction time and their ability to just stay under control and just
• 27:48
  swell.
• 27:49
  Cause Checo had his car lined up.
• 27:51
  He did the max for snapping where he actually had the, in the blocks, he was lined up slightly
• 27:56
  over so he didn't even have to turn going off the line and he instantly was going to
• 27:59
  cut Lewis off.
• 28:00
  For snapping does it all the time when he's in first.
• 28:02
  He'll position himself a little bit so he can cut that second driver.
• 28:05
  He wasn't expecting Lewis to be that far up though.
• 28:09
  Lewis's, they had like their reaction time, it was like 0.25 or 0.29 seconds.
• 28:13
  The matter of 0.04 seconds is that much space.
• 28:15
  Isn't that insane?
• 28:16
  That's so wild.
• 28:17
  That's so insane to think about.
• 28:18
  So, so good.
• 28:19
  Wild.
• 28:20
  And then if you're Landon, you're five minutes behind everybody else.
• 28:23
  Don't say that.
• 28:25
  Landon's in gravel.
• 28:28
  With that Red Bull, obviously a lot of speculation going into the break.
• 28:32
  We'll get into that a little bit later.
• 28:34
  Moving along.
• 28:36
  I don't know if we really have much else to say about the Aston's, Alpines, Haas, Williams
• 28:42
  or kick Sauber.
• 28:45
  But I mean, obviously rounding out the top 10, you had Alonso finishing P8.
• 28:49
  Again this is after the DQ of George.
• 28:52
  Alonso finishing P8, Ocon at P9.
• 28:54
  I mean that's a good finish for him.
• 28:57
  And Danny Rick at that P10.
• 28:59
  But Danny Rick wasn't in points without the Russell DQ.
• 29:04
  Is he?
• 29:05
  Where did Danny Rick start?
• 29:08
  He started.
• 29:09
  I got you.
• 29:10
  I don't know.
• 29:11
  13th.
• 29:12
  You know, not bad.
• 29:13
  13th.
• 29:14
  Moving on.
• 29:15
  I feel like I saw the Alpines, even though only one of them got into the...
• 29:19
  Did who else?
• 29:20
  Did someone else?
• 29:21
  DNF?
• 29:22
  No, there's no other DNFs.
• 29:23
  I thought.
• 29:24
  Joe?
• 29:25
  Oh, Joe did.
• 29:26
  I didn't hear him.
• 29:27
  It wasn't like damage to the car.
• 29:28
  It was something mechanical.
• 29:29
  I didn't even hear it.
• 29:30
  I just noticed that he was out.
• 29:31
  His car went off.
• 29:32
  He lost power and then they were able to kick it back on through the steering wheel, but
• 29:38
  then they just brought him in.
• 29:39
  Well actually, he actually ran like two or three laps.
• 29:42
  And then they brought him in.
• 29:43
  And then they tire the car.
• 29:44
  Yeah.
• 29:45
  So yeah, I guess three places for Danny.
• 29:48
  Pretty decent.
• 29:49
  Yeah, can't complain.
• 29:50
  Any...
• 29:51
  Before we move on from Belgium, any disappointments, obviously George, but that we haven't touched
• 29:57
  on any disappointments, any surprises as we kind of head into the break?
• 30:01
  Something you were looking to see that maybe didn't happen?
• 30:03
  This is a...
• 30:04
  We're talking about this later, but I wish I would have known Yugi was going to take
• 30:08
  a 60 place grid penalty before I put him in 10th place.
• 30:13
  So that's...
• 30:14
  You know.
• 30:15
  And what was that for again?
• 30:16
  Was that during...
• 30:18
  He just replaced a lot of...
• 30:20
  Oh, that's right.
• 30:21
  He replaced a lot of components.
• 30:22
  Yeah.
• 30:23
  That's all that it was for.
• 30:24
  And didn't somebody else have a 50 place or no?
• 30:25
  That was earlier this season.
• 30:26
  Somebody earlier this season, yeah.
• 30:27
  I didn't even bring my boy Gastly, but okay.
• 30:33
  But to be honest, I was surprised with Haas' performance.
• 30:37
  I figured they were going to do pretty well at this track.
• 30:39
  They have that top end speed.
• 30:42
  And they finished 16th and 17th.
• 30:44
  Yeah, pretty much non-existent.
• 30:46
  It's not what we've seen, but by Nico, especially this year.
• 30:48
  Nico's been having a heck of a year in that car, so I was really...
• 30:51
  I mean, that's why I...
• 30:52
  What do you think that is then?
• 30:53
  Do you think everybody's finally starting to catch up and do all their minor adjustments
• 30:56
  and now they're that much ahead of Haas all of a sudden when Nico at least had been consistent?
• 31:01
  Even K-Meg was consistently like...
• 31:04
  I'd say 10 through 13 for a minute.
• 31:06
  I mean, it was almost pretty consistent.
• 31:08
  I don't know.
• 31:09
  It's weird because it's like...
• 31:11
  They just not bringing the upgrades as much as these other teams or are we all just wrong
• 31:16
  in this car is better on low speed corners in those tracks?
• 31:19
  Because that's where they've been performing well.
• 31:21
  I think...
• 31:22
  I don't know.
• 31:23
  I think Haas brings...
• 31:24
  I think I've said this as well.
• 31:25
  I think Haas brings their upgrades at the start of the year and then they just start
• 31:28
  to kind of plateau through the rest.
• 31:30
  Oh yeah.
• 31:31
  Because they did kind of start quicker last year too.
• 31:32
  They might already be getting ready for next year to be honest.
• 31:34
  For 2026.
• 31:35
  Yeah.
• 31:36
  If you think so, just mailing it in.
• 31:37
  I mean, if they don't have the money...
• 31:39
  They got to start allocating where they can.
• 31:42
  Or hopefully that we see them have some better races, but I think it follows trend I think
• 31:47
  for the last two years that once we hit the break, they start to kind of lose a bit of
• 31:52
  speed.
• 31:53
  Which sucks because they really...
• 31:54
  And we'll touch on it in a minute, but they had a chance to finish either tied for as
• 31:57
  high as they've ever finished or the highest they've ever finished before in the driver
• 32:01
  standings.
• 32:02
  Yeah, if they continue on that trend, then it's pretty much over for Haas.
• 32:11
  I guess one other thing to touch on before we move on from Belgium is Aston Alonso also,
• 32:16
  you're saying, ran a one stop shop, one stop race?
• 32:20
  So all the rave was Russell running that one stop.
• 32:23
  Which I mean, the strategy when Mercedes said it was like they were going to be slated P5
• 32:28
  if he stopped or take the chance at the one stop and finish P5 with the tire dag just
• 32:33
  bringing you back.
• 32:34
  So it was worth it at that point.
• 32:36
  Alonso had a one stop, started P8, finished P8 after the max DQ, but you didn't hear about
• 32:43
  that.
• 32:44
  Yeah.
• 32:45
  Alonso drove a heck of a race to say that Aston's not quick.
• 32:47
  No.
• 32:48
  Closing question then off that.
• 32:53
  Does who your driver is matter or help determine if you want to try a one stop or not?
• 32:59
  You got to trust that driver that, hey, those tires are going to be rough at the end.
• 33:03
  We got to make sure that driver can handle that.
• 33:05
  Does that come into a factor you think at all for any of these teams?
• 33:09
  Like a guy like Alonso, like, yeah, we can trust him to go drive the fricking car.
• 33:14
  You know what I mean?
• 33:15
  I think definitely yes.
• 33:16
  Logan, no way.
• 33:17
  You know what I mean?
• 33:18
  Yeah, I think yes and no.
• 33:19
  So I was watching the post race show and there's like a person who used to be on L.P. strategy.
• 33:23
  Her name is Ruth something.
• 33:25
  And she was saying like the bench line to do it is they actually measure tire dag.
• 33:29
  There's a rating.
• 33:30
  There's like a, it's measurable during the race.
• 33:31
  And if you're at point oh five five, then that shows that you have the pace and you
• 33:36
  can do it to go the full race.
• 33:38
  And if you're at like it's and then I think it's just have point oh five increments from
• 33:41
  there.
• 33:42
  So everybody was out like point one and George can show he was at that point oh five five
• 33:46
  so he could do it.
• 33:47
  So it's like super technical.
• 33:49
  That's insane.
• 33:50
  It's cool.
• 33:51
  So she's on the commentary throughout the race as well.
• 33:53
  But what she's brought to that like broadcast, I don't know, I watch a lot of the post race
• 33:57
  shows too, because they do driver.
• 33:58
  Is it Bernie Collins?
• 33:59
  No, her name is Ruth.
• 34:00
  Ruth.
• 34:01
  I can't.
• 34:02
  It's like maybe McGrath.
• 34:03
  Okay.
• 34:04
  But it's she's like she was a strategist for the Alpine team.
• 34:09
  Okay.
• 34:10
  So she she had she worked with she worked with Fernand.
• 34:12
  I don't need to sit here and gas her up.
• 34:14
  But it's just cool to bring like she has like the strategy behind like everything.
• 34:17
  And it was cool because in that Carlos actually came up and was on the booth with them.
• 34:22
  Yeah.
• 34:23
  And she has a card that has like the specs or whatever.
• 34:26
  There's a term for it.
• 34:27
  I don't remember what it is.
• 34:28
  It's something sheet.
• 34:29
  And he Carlos immediately came up and grabbed it.
• 34:31
  Pretty sure looking at that tire dag, because he wanted to go.
• 34:34
  He wanted a one stop.
• 34:35
  He may actually set it during it.
• 34:37
  And he's like, he was kind of like low key upset because he's like, well, I mean, obviously,
• 34:41
  we could have done it.
• 34:43
  And but he grabbed that sheet and you can see it all in the show.
• 34:47
  And then the comment will Bux and actually made a comment on it.
• 34:49
  Huh?
• 34:50
  Okay.
• 34:51
  What was the comment?
• 34:52
  We're just saying like, like Carlos grabbed he literally like, and then he made a comment
• 34:57
  saying that he was going to Oxfordshire, which means he would either go to Alp.
• 35:02
  It was it was Williams or one of the other teams.
• 35:06
  I don't know if it was Oxfordshire because that's actually where Aston is.
• 35:09
  But it's wherever Williams is headquartered.
• 35:10
  There's another team like in that area.
• 35:12
  But Bux and was like predicting he was going to Williams because they were making the JV
• 35:16
  the James of all connection.
• 35:17
  He's a strategist.
• 35:18
  That's not the principle involves ended up saying what was it a number of weeks ago that
• 35:23
  they were taking Carlos pretty serious and that they weren't didn't want to just be a
• 35:27
  stepping stone.
• 35:28
  But they they did want Carlos bad.
• 35:29
  Yeah.
• 35:30
  So it is it will be an interesting marriage, as we'll call it, between Carlos and Williams.
• 35:35
  And see if that see if that plays out with that.
• 35:38
  Let's roll right into our constructors and drivers standings update.
• 35:49
  And obviously rolling into there I am with obviously again, but heading right into the
• 35:53
  constructors standings update, I'll throw it over to Tyler actually to kind of give
• 36:00
  us the rundown.
• 36:01
  All right.
• 36:02
  So we're going to start with the constructors.
• 36:03
  So as everybody would predict, Red Bull is currently leading in that.
• 36:07
  However, they're not as far up as people might think.
• 36:11
  McLaren has definitely broken down that gap.
• 36:13
  They even chipped away at it this weekend with Oscar taking that P2 really, really helped
• 36:17
  in the long run.
• 36:18
  Only 42 points behind Red Bull at this point.
• 36:21
  That might seem like a big number, but we got half the season left.
• 36:24
  So that 42 points you got Oscar and Lando grabbing podiums, even if Max is winning,
• 36:29
  they're still grabbing eight, nine points every weekend if Checo is not, you know, doing
• 36:34
  what he should be per se.
• 36:35
  So that could be dwindled down in five, six races.
• 36:37
  We could have like a five, six, seven point differential there.
• 36:40
  So that's going to get real juicy.
• 36:42
  And then McLaren is kind of taking a step up on Ferrari as well.
• 36:45
  Ferrari is currently in third.
• 36:46
  They're 21 points behind McLaren yet.
• 36:47
  So that's really not much of a fight anymore.
• 36:49
  I don't see Ferrari closing that gap at all.
• 36:51
  They're going to be lucky to hold on to Mercedes behind them.
• 36:54
  They've closed the gap exponentially, right?
• 36:57
  They're only 79 points behind them at this point, which again seems like a lot.
• 37:02
  Missing out of that 18 too.
• 37:04
  Yeah, that would be huge.
• 37:05
  I mean, you're talking there, there's 60, well there's 60 points behind them, right?
• 37:08
  61 points.
• 37:09
  That's huge at the end of the season.
• 37:11
  And they are consistently in front of Ferrari right now and battling McLaren like they could
• 37:15
  put their name in the ring.
• 37:17
  I don't know if they can catch Red Bull, but they could at least lock up third.
• 37:22
  They're not going to catch Red Bull.
• 37:23
  I think Max is just going to continue to grab too many spots up there and he's still going
• 37:28
  to grab some wins, which Mercedes very well might as well.
• 37:31
  But right, if you got McLaren and Mercedes and Max fighting, that's the top five spots
• 37:34
  taken up right there.
• 37:35
  So then you got Checo versus Ferrari, right?
• 37:38
  How much of a gap is there between those is really going to tell the difference between
• 37:41
  Ferrari and Mercedes here.
• 37:43
  That's a good point.
• 37:44
  Checo versus Ferrari.
• 37:45
  I mean, that's kind of the battle to look at coming out of break.
• 37:48
  That's also what it's coming down to.
• 37:50
  It's McLaren versus Red Bull.
• 37:51
  Sorry, McLaren versus Max.
• 37:54
  So Max is the only one that's going to grab the constructors for Red Bull this year.
• 37:59
  From there, it's just a battle really for, I mean, sixth, right?
• 38:06
  Aston's at 73 points.
• 38:08
  So there are 193 points behind Mercedes.
• 38:11
  That's obviously not going to get closed.
• 38:13
  So the top four is pretty locked up and then you have the Racing Bulls at 39.
• 38:16
  They're 34 points behind Aston.
• 38:18
  I don't think Racing Bulls versus Alonso.
• 38:21
  I don't think there's going to be enough ahead there.
• 38:23
  Stroll's been too consistent in getting points lately that in comparison to like Yuki and
• 38:28
  Danny Rick, they keep swapping, but Stroll and Alonso are getting points.
• 38:31
  Like they just keep chipping away.
• 38:33
  I don't, yeah, I agree.
• 38:35
  Racing Bulls won't catch them.
• 38:36
  Yeah, I really don't think so.
• 38:38
  But this is where it gets really interesting.
• 38:39
  You got Racing Bulls and Haas, right?
• 38:41
  So Haas is at 27 points.
• 38:42
  They're seven points behind Racing Bulls.
• 38:45
  If what you said is true, Joe, Haas should be lucky to hold that seventh spot, which
• 38:49
  would be the highest they've ever finished in the constructors.
• 38:52
  Seventh would be the highest they've ever done.
• 38:53
  It'd be tied if I'm not mistaken, right?
• 38:54
  So if they were to grab that sixth spot from Racing Bulls, that would be the highest they've
• 38:58
  ever finished.
• 39:00
  So I really don't see that.
• 39:01
  I think Racing Bulls is going to just have too much consistency with the smaller upgrades
• 39:05
  they're going to bring throughout the year to kind of match that Red Bull team as they
• 39:07
  said they were going to this year, which has proven true, right?
• 39:10
  The Racing Bulls have been quick in the midfield this year.
• 39:13
  You would hope to see some more upgrades come from Haas.
• 39:16
  They have to.
• 39:17
  Just a battle, man.
• 39:18
  They have to.
• 39:21
  Then from there, it's really wide open between the last three teams, really the two of the
• 39:26
  last three.
• 39:27
  You got Alpine at 11 points.
• 39:28
  They're 16 points behind Haas.
• 39:30
  Alpine's been very consistent the last couple of weeks, but Nico's just been too good to
• 39:34
  I think close that gap.
• 39:36
  And then Williams at four points.
• 39:37
  They had another showing for Williams.
• 39:40
  I don't think with Logan in that car, they're ever going to finish better than P8, even
• 39:44
  if they were to catch the Alpines at this point.
• 39:47
  Alpines seem to have kind of kicked in a little bit of gear the last couple of races.
• 39:50
  Ever since they got underway, then they seem to be doing pretty darn good.
• 39:57
  And then Sauber, they're not scoring any points this year.
• 39:59
  They're still at zero.
• 40:00
  No, they will.
• 40:01
  I think Botos could get a point or something.
• 40:04
  They won't finish the year with no points.
• 40:05
  It just won't happen.
• 40:06
  It's going to be a race where something happens.
• 40:08
  But yeah, that's the constructor.
• 40:11
  So really it comes down to the top four teams are locked up.
• 40:15
  But how those top four finish, I think one and two are solidified, Red Bull and McLaren.
• 40:19
  But that battle between Ferrari and Mercedes, nobody would have thought this at the start
• 40:24
  of the year with how the year was looking.
• 40:25
  Like people were thinking Ferrari was going to get Red Bull run for the money.
• 40:30
  And Ferrari to be able to hold on to third right now.
• 40:32
  Ferrari can't even touch McLaren most likely.
• 40:33
  Like it's just wild to think how things have shifted this year.
• 40:35
  I've never seen a shift like this.
• 40:37
  Yeah, it's usually you have your top three or so.
• 40:40
  And then there's the kind of the mid pack, you know, the best of the rest type deal.
• 40:43
  And then you got your bottom tier.
• 40:45
  But this is just completely flipped.
• 40:47
  We've definitely seen like we've definitely seen teams, you know, like the Aston Martin's
• 40:52
  or the Mercedes were like, you'll be good at one half of the year and then you'll come
• 40:56
  back to the other half.
• 40:57
  There's a lot of that happening just across like everyone.
• 41:00
  So I think like early prediction, I think Merck's going to beat Ferrari probably.
• 41:05
  I think they're going to catch up just the pace that they've been showing and the consistency
• 41:09
  for the last three races.
• 41:11
  I would imagine that consistency shouldn't go away.
• 41:16
  But yeah, the thing about it, it's like as Mercedes has gone up, Ferrari's gone down.
• 41:20
  It's not even that Ferrari's staying stagnant.
• 41:23
  Yep.
• 41:24
  No, right.
• 41:25
  They're definitely consistently finishing behind the Mercedes.
• 41:28
  I think top four, like you said, absolutely locked.
• 41:31
  Like no one's reaching that top.
• 41:33
  No, I agree.
• 41:34
  Yeah, I agree.
• 41:35
  Yeah.
• 41:36
  And then Aston's kind of on their island and then the race between Racing Bulls and Haas.
• 41:40
  Yeah, that's going to be fun.
• 41:42
  I think it'll be interesting.
• 41:43
  Because it's like Yuki's been, I want to say consistent, but he hasn't been.
• 41:47
  He was.
• 41:48
  And then it's kind of seems like Danny Rick's kind of coming over a little bit.
• 41:52
  And then Hulk was doing great.
• 41:54
  And now Hulk's 16th.
• 41:58
  So it's going to be it's going to be fun.
• 42:00
  That midfield battle.
• 42:01
  Haas is going to have to really dig deep if they want to catch Racing Bulls straight up.
• 42:05
  Midfield battle is always just so fun to watch, though.
• 42:07
  You got these loaded teams.
• 42:09
  It just creates excitement across the levels.
• 42:11
  That's what I love so much about F1.
• 42:13
  There's just so much to root for.
• 42:15
  I 100% agree with you.
• 42:16
  Unfortunately, because the top teams are also fighting a lot, it's so hard to focus on anything
• 42:21
  else during the race.
• 42:22
  So I have to like make notes or like I have to keep notes obviously during the race, but
• 42:26
  also go back and check to see how the other teams are doing because I'm so focused on
• 42:32
  Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari and Mercedes, obviously.
• 42:35
  So yeah, for sure, for sure.
• 42:38
  We still a lot of good fighting to happen.
• 42:40
  It'd be really bad if I think I would still be upset, even though obviously I want McLaren
• 42:44
  to do well.
• 42:45
  I'd be upset if they just took it the rest of the season and just like win after win
• 42:49
  after win after win.
• 42:50
  You would be upset about that?
• 42:51
  Maybe a little.
• 42:52
  I'm going to be at the end of the day.
• 42:55
  I'm just saying like win after win after win.
• 42:59
  Like they just showed like a sudden, well, maybe I wouldn't be upset, actually.
• 43:03
  I don't know.
• 43:05
  I don't want to see one person dominating again.
• 43:10
  I get that.
• 43:11
  I get that.
• 43:12
  I don't think we're going to get that with how these cars are right now.
• 43:15
  I don't think so either.
• 43:16
  I think they're just too equal across the board.
• 43:17
  Well, they're not equal, but they're too like close.
• 43:20
  The gap between the cars themselves is close so much.
• 43:24
  At least between the top three.
• 43:26
  Yeah, and even if you have like, whatever, even if the top three cars are like the exact
• 43:31
  same in terms of performance, you still have track preferences to them and stuff like that.
• 43:35
  Oh, for sure.
• 43:36
  For sure.
• 43:37
  For sure.
• 43:38
  With the cars and the drivers.
• 43:39
  And the drivers, yeah.
• 43:40
  Yeah, no, for sure.
• 43:41
  Why don't you take it away with the drivers too?
• 43:43
  All right, from there we're going to hop into the drivers.
• 43:45
  That gets a lot more, well, I wouldn't say it actually gets a little bit more dicey because
• 43:48
  there's good battles in the constructors right now, but we have everybody's favorite driver,
• 43:53
  Max Verstappen, leading the race right now.
• 43:57
  As expected, he's shown not the last three years, but he's at 277 points.
• 44:04
  Lando is in second at 199, so he is still 78 points behind Verstappen.
• 44:08
  So if they would have stopped swap places this race, it would have been 75.
• 44:11
  Not a huge difference, but three points at the end of the year could really matter right
• 44:15
  now.
• 44:16
  And it's going to be fun to watch those two battle the rest of the year.
• 44:21
  It really is.
• 44:22
  I would like to think that Lando can catch him, but I just don't know if that's possible
• 44:27
  without McLaren having the Red Bull strategy of if Piazzari's up there, swapping them and
• 44:32
  getting those seven points.
• 44:34
  If it's a one-two again, I don't know if McLaren would do that to Oscar.
• 44:38
  And I think that might cost Lando the WDC this year.
• 44:44
  But at the end of the day, if that's what's going to cost you, you can't beat the driver
• 44:49
  that's equivalent in your car, if it comes down to that.
• 44:52
  Now, I mean, that could be one or two races and then that's seven 14 points, which is
• 44:57
  huge.
• 44:58
  I mean, that takes a 78 point gap down to 64.
• 45:02
  Yeah.
• 45:03
  I think after what we saw last race, I would hope not because Oscar's got his win now, he
• 45:08
  can get back in his place.
• 45:09
  Not saying that at all, but because of just how awkward that situation was, I'm hoping
• 45:14
  if we get to the situation where Lando is so close, Oscar would just understand.
• 45:19
  And as long as the team is guaranteeing him third then over Leclerc, let it happen, right?
• 45:26
  Even so, even if you're not even guaranteed third, I think Oscar, there's-
• 45:29
  It just seems to keep you the person to do it.
• 45:31
  I think he would.
• 45:32
  I think really any teammate would in that situation, to be honest.
• 45:36
  I think, I don't know, I mean, is Max ever going to be in that spot as the second driver?
• 45:39
  I don't think he ever will be.
• 45:40
  He ever was.
• 45:41
  Hungry two years ago, Max refused to help Gekko take-
• 45:48
  He refused to give him the win to help him get second place that season.
• 45:52
  Which was bogus.
• 45:53
  Bogus.
• 45:54
  Super bogus.
• 45:55
  Because of what Gekko's done for that guy?
• 45:56
  Yeah, super, super bogus.
• 45:58
  I don't see that ever happening between Oscar and Lando unless something crazy happens, more
• 46:02
  so than last race.
• 46:04
  I would just hope, I don't want to see him in that position, but they're both really
• 46:09
  good drivers, they have a really fast car, they're going to be in that position again.
• 46:13
  My issue is, I don't think Lando will catch Max.
• 46:17
  I seriously don't.
• 46:19
  And I think that's only because, like, let's say, if Max wins four races, Lando's going
• 46:25
  to win two, and then you're going to have, like, Lewis or George winning one apiece,
• 46:30
  or Oscar in there winning one apiece.
• 46:32
  You know what I mean?
• 46:33
  Like, you got Max over here by himself winning the four, but then you got another four races,
• 46:37
  but those are going to be chopped up between a couple drivers.
• 46:39
  I think Lando is the best of the rest as far as those other drivers go, as far as getting
• 46:44
  maybe an extra win or two above the other guys.
• 46:46
  But I don't think it'll be enough to actually catch Max.
• 46:49
  You know what I mean?
• 46:50
  Yeah, that's where I would agree with you too, man.
• 46:51
  It's like, because you're right, it's like, so for Lando to win this WDC, he not only
• 46:56
  has to finish above Max in the bulk of the races, he has to win more races than Max.
• 47:01
  And everybody else.
• 47:03
  It's going to come down to, not even necessarily everybody else, right?
• 47:06
  If Lando were to grab three, Max grabs one, that's a different story if there's so much
• 47:10
  spread across the rest of them.
• 47:11
  But it's like, I think that's what it's going to come down to is Lando has to win more races
• 47:17
  than Max.
• 47:18
  Max is going to be top five.
• 47:19
  I think he needs more.
• 47:21
  I looked it up really quick.
• 47:22
  This was before Spa, so they're at 78 points.
• 47:25
  When they were at 76, if Lando would have gotten first and Max gotten second for every
• 47:30
  race for the rest of the season, Lando would win by one point.
• 47:36
  So just to put it into perspective, Lando just needs to keep...
• 47:40
  So he would lose actually in this situation because the gap grew.
• 47:43
  Yes, he grew.
• 47:44
  So now he would have to...
• 47:46
  Max would have to drop down some places.
• 47:48
  Max would have to finish third one or two races.
• 47:50
  Which at this point could legitimately happen.
• 47:53
  But that's saying Lando's going to win every single race.
• 47:55
  Lando still needs Max points, right?
• 47:57
  He still needs 25 points.
• 47:59
  Even if he did, there's going to be a couple that somebody else is going to win, whether
• 48:01
  it's George Lewis, Oscar, whoever.
• 48:05
  There's no way it's Max Verstappen and Lando Norris winning every race the rest of the
• 48:08
  year.
• 48:09
  That's a disparity.
• 48:10
  I mean, they haven't won the last four.
• 48:11
  Three.
• 48:12
  God, if it comes down to the last couple races though, boy, that would be a treat.
• 48:19
  I would love to see a Verstappen Hamilton battle between Norris and Verstappen at the
• 48:23
  end of this year.
• 48:24
  I would love to see that.
• 48:25
  Just not a repeat of Abu Dhabi 2021.
• 48:26
  But no, we can't let the stewards decide the race.
• 48:29
  Let's let them battle it out on track.
• 48:30
  I can't even think about that.
• 48:31
  But I would just love to see that.
• 48:32
  That's true.
• 48:33
  That would be true.
• 48:34
  But like what if what happened to what was given to Max was given to Lando?
• 48:39
  Oh man, that would crush me.
• 48:42
  Just thinking that Lando would have gotten the win on the steward call.
• 48:45
  Oh God.
• 48:46
  Yeah, that's like I might have to hang up the hats.
• 48:48
  I'm being real.
• 48:49
  But let's move forward here.
• 48:53
  We got the third place.
• 48:55
  Who's in third right now?
• 48:56
  That would be Charles Leclerc.
• 48:57
  He is at 177 points, 22 points behind Lando.
• 49:01
  No way he catches him the rest of this year unless Ferrari brings the biggest upgrade
• 49:04
  you've ever seen in your life.
• 49:06
  I think the real battle there is going to be between Oscar and Leclerc.
• 49:10
  So Oscar is 10 points behind Leclerc right now.
• 49:12
  I think Oscar is going to pass him pretty substantially.
• 49:15
  He's going to lock in that third spot.
• 49:17
  He's not going to catch Lando at this point.
• 49:19
  I mean, he's 32 points behind Lando.
• 49:21
  I just don't see that happening.
• 49:22
  And then you have Carlos coming in at fifth, five points behind Oscar.
• 49:27
  That's going to stay right there.
• 49:28
  If anything, I think Oscar Carlos is going to drop behind Lewis, who is 12 points behind
• 49:32
  him right now.
• 49:33
  I think he absolutely will drop below Lewis.
• 49:35
  I think Lewis is way too consistent.
• 49:37
  I think Lewis can catch Oscar.
• 49:39
  But I mean, hey, if Lewis starts winning, who knows?
• 49:43
  Who knows how far Leclerc will drop actually, legitimately.
• 49:46
  That's the thing.
• 49:47
  Leclerc needs to keep qualifying really, really, really darn good, which he's good at.
• 49:51
  Which he's good at.
• 49:52
  He's good at, but he needs to qualify one, two, or three to be able to fight for fifth
• 49:56
  at this point.
• 49:57
  I think that's kind of where it stops, right?
• 49:59
  He got one and two and then kind of three through six is kind of, I don't know if Lewis
• 50:04
  would get his highest there at Oscar.
• 50:06
  No, I don't think so.
• 50:07
  I don't think so.
• 50:08
  I think Lewis could get as high as four.
• 50:10
  I think, I think, I think.
• 50:12
  Depending on what happens with Ferrari.
• 50:14
  Yeah.
• 50:15
  And I think what hurt, what changes this exponentially is taking 25 points away from George.
• 50:23
  If George gets those 25 points, that would put him at 151.
• 50:30
  He would actually, because then take seven points away from Lewis, George would actually
• 50:33
  be in six right now.
• 50:34
  Lewis would be in seventh and Checo would be in eighth.
• 50:36
  Are you sure?
• 50:37
  I don't know if that math is math.
• 50:39
  25 plus 116?
• 50:40
  25 and 16 is 41.
• 50:41
  Oh no, sorry, I gave him 10.
• 50:42
  I gave him 10.
• 50:43
  Okay, okay, okay.
• 50:44
  So George would be in front of Checo.
• 50:45
  But he'd be right behind Lewis though.
• 50:46
  He'd be right behind Lewis.
• 50:47
  He'd be right behind Lewis.
• 50:48
  He'd be right behind Lewis.
• 50:49
  He'd be right behind Lewis.
• 50:50
  He'd be right behind Lewis.
• 50:51
  He'd be right behind Lewis.
• 50:52
  He'd be right behind Lewis.
• 50:53
  He'd be ahead of Checo and he would be two points in front of, behind Lewis.
• 50:58
  Yeah.
• 50:59
  God, that math does check out.
• 51:00
  I did it twice in my head.
• 51:02
  That's a big, God, that hurts, man.
• 51:05
  That hurts.
• 51:06
  And then you got Checo at seventh, George at eighth.
• 51:08
  Checo is 19 points behind Lewis at this point.
• 51:11
  George is 15 points behind Checo.
• 51:13
  I think George is closing that gap.
• 51:16
  Checo finishes P8 this year in the constructors.
• 51:17
  Checo was staring at P8 heading into the summer break before DQ.
• 51:21
  He was staring at it.
• 51:22
  He was, yep.
• 51:23
  And then it drops off substantially from there, right?
• 51:25
  You got the two Astins.
• 51:26
  You got Fernando and Stroll.
• 51:28
  At that point it really doesn't matter.
• 51:32
  The only thing that's worth noting is that Racing Bulls battle.
• 51:36
  You got Yuki who's 10 points ahead of D-Rick right now.
• 51:39
  Really?
• 51:40
  Yep.
• 51:41
  He's 10.
• 51:42
  It's 22 versus 12.
• 51:43
  So that's a pretty big gap for a team that, you know, or driver that might grab third
• 51:46
  three points in a week at best.
• 51:48
  They kind of switch spots.
• 51:49
  Danny Rick was doing better for a second.
• 51:51
  Yep.
• 51:52
  I thought that would be a little bit closer than it is.
• 51:55
  Yuki was able to grab like those like a couple P8s this year, you know, that got him that
• 52:00
  like five points or was it six points?
• 52:04
  Whatever that is, you know, versus one point where Danny's grabbing tenths.
• 52:10
  So yeah, that's what we have for the drivers.
• 52:11
  Nothing else worth noting.
• 52:13
  The only thing I would say is, you know, Nico is still P11, or in 11th right now, only two
• 52:17
  points behind Stroll.
• 52:19
  So Nico's having a heck of a year.
• 52:21
  Come on.
• 52:22
  Come on, Nico.
• 52:23
  Come on.
• 52:24
  Do it.
• 52:25
  Please.
• 52:26
  Please.
• 52:27
  You did let me down on my two bonus points this week though, Nico.
• 52:28
  I won't forget that.
• 52:29
  What are you going to do?
• 52:30
  Give us something to talk about.
• 52:32
  All right.
• 52:33
  With that, let's head right into our news.
• 52:41
  And starting off the news right off the bat, fresh off the press this morning, Carlos signs
• 52:49
  to Williams.
• 52:50
  It's finally over.
• 52:51
  It's over.
• 52:52
  It's over.
• 52:53
  We figured it out.
• 52:54
  I'm disappointed.
• 52:55
  Well, we didn't figure anything out.
• 52:58
  No, yeah.
• 52:59
  But yeah.
• 53:00
  I mean, yeah.
• 53:01
  But Logan is out.
• 53:02
  We already knew that.
• 53:03
  But Carlos coming to America, which again, I think he'll succeed there.
• 53:07
  We'll do a, we'll do a Logan update next year.
• 53:10
  That sounds nice.
• 53:11
  For all our Logan fans out there.
• 53:14
  We'll talk about Grosjean.
• 53:15
  Anyway, let's move on.
• 53:16
  All right.
• 53:17
  But Carlos Williams.
• 53:18
  Yep.
• 53:19
  Awesome.
• 53:20
  So I think he, I think this also, we'll talk about it obviously in a couple of minutes
• 53:26
  here.
• 53:27
  I think this solidifies Antonelli, but I think it also gives Mercedes kind of some insurance
• 53:32
  with the Antonelli decision if they want to, where they could just swap them.
• 53:38
  Yeah.
• 53:39
  If he does really poorly.
• 53:41
  I don't know.
• 53:42
  I feel if, I feel like that could a hundred percent be the case for Red Bull.
• 53:45
  I just don't know if that's a thing Mercedes would do.
• 53:48
  You don't think so?
• 53:49
  I think they would quickly go.
• 53:50
  And again, Williams saying they're not a stepping stone, right?
• 53:53
  I think they would quickly, like more quickly replace Antonelli with Mick before, before
• 54:00
  pulling signs from Williams.
• 54:01
  Okay.
• 54:02
  As I kind of said right off the bat, little disappointed signs shows Williams.
• 54:06
  I think, I just don't know what, I don't know what the exact, huh?
• 54:10
  It's an interesting move.
• 54:11
  I don't know what the exact thought process is.
• 54:13
  Over Alpine, over steak.
• 54:15
  His, I think current state steak, not a great option.
• 54:22
  Future Audi though.
• 54:23
  I mean, that's kind of what I was hoping for.
• 54:25
  Sure.
• 54:26
  Yeah.
• 54:27
  Seeing what Williams, he mentioned in his, his, you know, his blurb, his breaking news
• 54:30
  blurb that he was excited to help bring the team back to its, it's like, like, you know,
• 54:34
  its legendary status.
• 54:35
  It's not going to happen.
• 54:36
  He's drinking the Kuhu right already and he's not even in the building.
• 54:39
  I mean, I think James Vowles, yeah, I mean, you have to, right?
• 54:43
  You're coping.
• 54:44
  I think James Vowles is going to help the team do better, but it's not going to become
• 54:48
  a winning team because you have signs.
• 54:51
  And Albon.
• 54:52
  Yeah.
• 54:53
  And Albon.
• 54:54
  I think they're both great drivers.
• 54:55
  I think they're going to be fighting for point.
• 54:57
  I just, I just don't know how much after that.
• 54:59
  And I don't know what comes after Williams for him.
• 55:02
  He's there when regs change.
• 55:04
  Do you think Williams could, with the two drivers they have, could they put the fight
• 55:07
  to Aston like next season for like that P8 to P10 area, like consistently?
• 55:12
  I think they'll have good races and bad races, but I don't think at the end of the season
• 55:16
  it'll matter.
• 55:17
  Fair enough.
• 55:18
  Yep.
• 55:19
  Fair enough.
• 55:20
  Carlos Williams, probably the biggest news that could have came out today.
• 55:23
  Cause we know how Carlos drives.
• 55:24
  I'm looking to see how Albon does compared to him.
• 55:26
  That's kind of how I'll finish that off.
• 55:29
  I don't agree at all.
• 55:31
  No?
• 55:32
  Yeah.
• 55:33
  I think the only spot that's better for him right now, currently in the current state
• 55:35
  of everything is Mercedes and that's not a possibility.
• 55:38
  That's not going to happen.
• 55:40
  Right.
• 55:41
  I think the Williams being the junior team for Mercedes, I don't think I can buy into
• 55:45
  that anymore.
• 55:46
  They definitely don't sell themselves.
• 55:47
  Right.
• 55:48
  But it's bought to some Mercedes, Russell to Mercedes, right?
• 55:50
  As much as they don't sell it, it's what's happened.
• 55:52
  But I think that ultimately comes down to like how much influence or say did Mercedes
• 55:57
  have in putting them in that Williams seat for them to be their future driver?
• 56:01
  I don't know.
• 56:02
  I don't know the answer to that question.
• 56:04
  So I think that-
• 56:05
  First thing I thought about.
• 56:07
  Mercedes got the best situation they could ever ask for.
• 56:11
  They got the best driver on the grid that's available.
• 56:15
  And I don't know.
• 56:16
  I mean, I think with- we would all agree that Carlos Sainz is a lot better driver than Alex
• 56:23
  Albon.
• 56:24
  I would agree with that.
• 56:25
  I would say right now, yes.
• 56:27
  Again, I'm looking forward to seeing them drive like in the same car.
• 56:30
  Yeah.
• 56:31
  So I think that with your knowing you're not going to get any performance whatsoever out
• 56:35
  of Logan, you're adding a driver that's going to compete.
• 56:38
  It's going to give you more points that you would only logistically think than Albon,
• 56:43
  right?
• 56:44
  I think you're taking a huge- you're making Williams- I think Williams is going to fight
• 56:49
  with Aston next year, unless if Aston brings some huge development, whatever.
• 56:54
  But I mean, even from a science perspective, I think that Williams has the most money to
• 56:59
  pay him in for the two years out of anybody that's available.
• 57:03
  I don't know if Alpine is going to fork that over.
• 57:05
  I don't think Alpine is very attractive right now because Alpine doesn't know who their
• 57:08
  engine manufacturer is going to be.
• 57:10
  There's talks of Alpine actually sourcing an engine and talking to the other engine
• 57:13
  manufacturers.
• 57:14
  So if you're a driver going into new regulations-
• 57:16
  Please do that.
• 57:17
  That's fucked.
• 57:18
  But if you're a driver going into a market with new regulations, you don't want to take
• 57:21
  that chance.
• 57:22
  You're a proven driver.
• 57:23
  At the end of the day, after his two-year contract, he's trying to get back into a big
• 57:25
  team.
• 57:26
  I think that was a factor.
• 57:27
  I think it was a huge factor.
• 57:29
  Knowing that they have no idea who their engine is going to be.
• 57:31
  And then you look at who's left.
• 57:32
  You got Saber.
• 57:33
  He's not going to VCarb.
• 57:34
  That was never a possibility.
• 57:35
  It's just not a thing.
• 57:37
  So you got Saber.
• 57:38
  No.
• 57:39
  Saber is zero.
• 57:40
  They're not even close to competing for anything right now.
• 57:42
  Yeah, the Audi takeover, that's not for two years.
• 57:45
  And then they got one more year of this.
• 57:47
  And even then, just because Audi takes over, that does not propel them to P10.
• 57:52
  You're hoping Audi can do something crazy with these new regulations.
• 57:55
  We have no idea.
• 57:56
  And that's the thing.
• 57:57
  It's such an unknown.
• 57:58
  They might have been able to pay him more, but I don't think Audi... You can't think
• 58:02
  that Audi is going to come in and take over F1 and put that car in a championship spot
• 58:06
  from the get go.
• 58:07
  It just doesn't happen.
• 58:08
  Right.
• 58:09
  It just doesn't happen.
• 58:10
  So in the end game, Carlos... It was a good two year deal.
• 58:13
  The driver market opens up a lot in the next couple of years.
• 58:17
  Lewis is going to retire.
• 58:18
  It does.
• 58:19
  Yeah, it does.
• 58:20
  We're going to have another crazy year in like two years.
• 58:21
  We'll see what happens with Mercedes.
• 58:23
  If Kimi is the future, great.
• 58:25
  You got Kimi and Russell for as long as you want them.
• 58:27
  Unless MaxiMax wants to leave Red Bull because that car is not performing anymore.
• 58:32
  MaxiMax wants to come somewhere.
• 58:33
  So a Red Bull seat opens up.
• 58:34
  Checo ain't going to be there forever.
• 58:36
  Carlos is in a really good freaking spot right now.
• 58:39
  Of all the midfield cars available, I'd probably pick Williams.
• 58:43
  I'd pick Williams.
• 58:44
  You're not going to VCarb, right?
• 58:45
  I'd probably go to VCarb just because of the progress they've made in showing the Red Bull's
• 58:49
  little sister now, or little brother, whatever you want to do.
• 58:52
  It's... You know, so...
• 58:53
  Even when they were Alfa Tori, they weren't horrible.
• 58:55
  No, no.
• 58:56
  But they made the commitment that they're actually going to invest more into it.
• 58:58
  And that's shown this year in the performance.
• 59:01
  So there's no way I'm going to Sauber.
• 59:03
  I'm not taking the risk of Audi.
• 59:05
  No.
• 59:06
  Unless you just simply want the money because they'll give you that.
• 59:07
  Right.
• 59:08
  And I don't think that's the thing for Carlos at this point.
• 59:09
  He's been driving for Ferrari for how many years?
• 59:12
  He's making enough money.
• 59:13
  Yeah, yeah.
• 59:14
  For sure.
• 59:15
  So where are you going to go?
• 59:16
  I'm not going to... If Alpine had an engine that was super consistent and they're going
• 59:20
  to commit to it to the future, I think Alpine would probably be the most enticing spot because
• 59:24
  they've always shown they're at that towards the mid level.
• 59:27
  That was my only argument would be Alpine.
• 59:30
  Alpine without an engine future, you don't know what you're going to do.
• 59:33
  That engine's not working.
• 59:34
  It hasn't worked in years.
• 59:36
  That engine hasn't been productive since it was running the Red Bull that Sebastian won
• 59:41
  for championships with.
• 59:42
  Which is a 2013?
• 59:43
  That was in the past.
• 59:44
  So I have a single counterpoint.
• 59:51
  Checo seat before he signed the deal.
• 59:55
  Why wouldn't he have taken that?
• 59:58
  In my head, it was Carlos the Red Bull and that was the only way it was.
• 1:00:05
  That's mind boggling me because there's no way Williams is paying him more than that
• 1:00:08
  Red Bull is offering.
• 1:00:09
  Yeah, no way.
• 1:00:10
  That's so crazy with me.
• 1:00:11
  Do you think it was just a time thing?
• 1:00:12
  Like he said no, I'm waiting for better options and then... Okay, hearing... Sorry, go
• 1:00:17
  ahead, go ahead.
• 1:00:18
  I just say, hearing you kind of going through it, I agree with you.
• 1:00:21
  I think all of the options available, Williams is definitely the safest.
• 1:00:26
  And especially if they're able to give him the money that he wants, sure.
• 1:00:30
  Yeah, Sauber is not good right now.
• 1:00:32
  Alpine is unpredictable.
• 1:00:35
  And then the other seats are just kind of unviable.
• 1:00:36
  It's got to be money.
• 1:00:37
  But yeah, that Red Bull seat that was open and Red Bull stating that they did, they couldn't
• 1:00:42
  match what he wanted.
• 1:00:44
  It's just like, is the bag that good at Williams?
• 1:00:47
  I don't think they could and I think they didn't want to.
• 1:00:50
  I don't know.
• 1:00:51
  I mean, because they're paying for snapping a lot of money.
• 1:00:54
  They did.
• 1:00:55
  That's what's mind boggling to me.
• 1:00:58
  Or do you think this comes down to does Carlos not want to be a number two driver anymore?
• 1:01:03
  And he made that and they don't want that battle going on.
• 1:01:07
  He ain't going to be the number one at Red Bull.
• 1:01:08
  That's a good point.
• 1:01:09
  He's not going to be the number one at Red Bull.
• 1:01:11
  Mercedes?
• 1:01:12
  Yeah.
• 1:01:13
  He's not the way... He doesn't have a chance at Ferrari.
• 1:01:14
  That's a taken from him.
• 1:01:15
  Is he automatically the number one at Williams?
• 1:01:18
  Do they treat him like that?
• 1:01:19
  Oh, they have to.
• 1:01:21
  Ooh, I actually don't know.
• 1:01:23
  Alvin has... It's not seniority.
• 1:01:27
  He has... I mean, he has history there now.
• 1:01:30
  Yeah, his tenure shift.
• 1:01:31
  Tenure.
• 1:01:32
  That's the word I was looking for.
• 1:01:33
  I don't... I feel like until we see the first few races, they're just...
• 1:01:36
  So do people in everyday life, but they still get screwed over with their tenure.
• 1:01:40
  Yeah, that's true.
• 1:01:41
  Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:01:42
  I mean, it's Carlos Sainz, dude.
• 1:01:44
  He's the number one driver.
• 1:01:47
  You have to... I don't think he comes there without that.
• 1:01:50
  I don't know if it's going to be a promise, right?
• 1:01:52
  Do you think just his driving skill would propel him to that number one regardless?
• 1:01:57
  Leclerc is clearly the number one at Ferrari.
• 1:01:59
  And again, I mean, Ferrari doesn't matter because it's not in the equation.
• 1:02:02
  Ferrari... Leclerc ain't going to be the number one next year.
• 1:02:05
  Yeah.
• 1:02:06
  I mean, just kind of going off what you said again, Williams... I don't see any flaw with
• 1:02:10
  them taking Carlos.
• 1:02:11
  They won.
• 1:02:12
  Right.
• 1:02:13
  Oh, for sure.
• 1:02:14
  They got what they wanted.
• 1:02:16
  They got what everyone should have wanted.
• 1:02:18
  Yeah, so they won.
• 1:02:19
  I was just kind of thinking from, again, Sainz's point of view, it's just a little weird.
• 1:02:23
  Yeah, but the Red Bull point you brought, that's something that's going to... I don't
• 1:02:29
  understand.
• 1:02:30
  I don't understand that.
• 1:02:33
  Unless it's like nobody wants to be for Samp's teammate.
• 1:02:36
  Which is absolutely a thought.
• 1:02:39
  It's got to be a thought.
• 1:02:40
  It's got to be a thought.
• 1:02:41
  Who has he worked well with, actually, Max?
• 1:02:44
  Danny.
• 1:02:45
  Did they?
• 1:02:46
  No.
• 1:02:47
  I think so.
• 1:02:48
  At first.
• 1:02:49
  I think they were good friends.
• 1:02:50
  I think it got to the same point where they were good.
• 1:02:54
  I think Max was still getting to being the best, and he was kind of crossing that threshold
• 1:02:59
  into being the number one driver with Danny, and I don't think Danny could hack it and
• 1:03:03
  wanted to accept that, and so he moved.
• 1:03:05
  100%.
• 1:03:06
  But I don't think they had a bad relationship.
• 1:03:07
  I still think they like each other a lot.
• 1:03:09
  I think...
• 1:03:10
  It's just on track.
• 1:03:11
  Max is Max.
• 1:03:12
  That's what it comes down to.
• 1:03:13
  I think off the track, I don't think there's a problem with first sapping.
• 1:03:17
  Max on the track and his antics on the track.
• 1:03:19
  Because even you look at... They had that... I can't remember the track.
• 1:03:23
  It might have been even Monaco where they ran into each other.
• 1:03:25
  Yep.
• 1:03:26
  I want to say it was Monaco.
• 1:03:27
  It was Monaco.
• 1:03:28
  Or it was either Monaco or Baku.
• 1:03:29
  I can't remember.
• 1:03:30
  I think it was Monaco.
• 1:03:31
  It was a street track.
• 1:03:32
  I know.
• 1:03:33
  But it was like that was kind of the demise of that team.
• 1:03:37
  Not the team.
• 1:03:38
  Red Bull.
• 1:03:39
  It was Danny and first sapping.
• 1:03:40
  Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:41
  So it's like when Max started heating up...
• 1:03:43
  He pushed him out.
• 1:03:46
  No, he pushed him out.
• 1:03:48
  Moving right along though.
• 1:03:49
  Got to keep him moving.
• 1:03:51
  Another seat locked down.
• 1:03:52
  Ocon to Haas.
• 1:03:54
  Obviously, Oliver Biermann in the other seat who is actually currently 15th in F2 standings.
• 1:03:59
  I don't know if that should be a concern for Haas or not.
• 1:04:03
  But Haas looking a little bit different next year.
• 1:04:07
  Yeah.
• 1:04:08
  Full team swap.
• 1:04:09
  Last time we saw that was... I mean, Mick and...
• 1:04:12
  Mazda Spin.
• 1:04:13
  Mazda Spin.
• 1:04:14
  Yeah.
• 1:04:15
  We all know how that ended.
• 1:04:17
  And then we got two vets in the seat and they did... I mean, they did better, right?
• 1:04:22
  Probably maybe even as best as they could have done.
• 1:04:25
  I think it's good that they have someone with experience driving an F1 car in the seat with
• 1:04:32
  new blood.
• 1:04:33
  I definitely don't think they're ever going to make the mistake of getting two new drivers
• 1:04:36
  again.
• 1:04:37
  Just so incredibly expensive.
• 1:04:38
  Biermann in 15th.
• 1:04:39
  Haas almost got out of F1 because of that.
• 1:04:40
  Yeah.
• 1:04:41
  Literally.
• 1:04:42
  They cut a lot of stuff at F1.
• 1:04:43
  Seriously.
• 1:04:46
  Yeah.
• 1:04:47
  Biermann in 15th.
• 1:04:48
  I think we're obviously going to see some mistakes starting out.
• 1:04:52
  I'm not too worried.
• 1:04:54
  Let's see what he can do when he gets into the seat itself.
• 1:04:59
  Yeah I'm excited to see how what he can do I guess.
• 1:05:01
  But I don't know if they really should be concerned at the moment.
• 1:05:04
  Sure.
• 1:05:05
  Fair enough.
• 1:05:06
  Maybe not as concerned as Ocon.
• 1:05:07
  I don't know what Ocon's going to do when he gets to Haas.
• 1:05:09
  I don't think they should be concerned about it.
• 1:05:11
  He's proven what he can do when he's in an F1 car in an F1 race.
• 1:05:13
  Granted, best car in the grid or one of the best cars in the grid at the time but he gained
• 1:05:17
  four places.
• 1:05:18
  Yeah.
• 1:05:19
  No he had a great race.
• 1:05:20
  Great showing.
• 1:05:21
  I don't think you should be concerned.
• 1:05:22
  I think you should be concerned more about Ocon being the teammate that's like the big
• 1:05:24
  brother.
• 1:05:25
  For sure.
• 1:05:26
  For sure.
• 1:05:27
  That's the mistake I think they made.
• 1:05:28
  I would agree with.
• 1:05:29
  Well.
• 1:05:30
  Yeah.
• 1:05:31
  Yeah.
• 1:05:32
  It'll be interesting.
• 1:05:33
  It'll be interesting.
• 1:05:34
  I'm curious how Ocon will accept that role.
• 1:05:36
  Yeah.
• 1:05:37
  Can he actually accept that role or is he not going to really care?
• 1:05:40
  No.
• 1:05:41
  Not that he has to baby Oliver but you know.
• 1:05:44
  I don't know.
• 1:05:45
  Whatever.
• 1:05:46
  Yeah.
• 1:05:47
  Bruno Famine will no longer be team principal at Alpine after the summer.
• 1:05:50
  Not the most massive news.
• 1:05:52
  Probably something we all kind of expected coming anyway because at some point somewhere
• 1:05:56
  you got to start making changes everywhere and they've started.
• 1:05:59
  He's also not supposed to be principal.
• 1:06:01
  Like he had to take over for Otmar.
• 1:06:03
  Oh yeah.
• 1:06:04
  Kind of like mid-season a few seasons ago.
• 1:06:07
  So he's not leaving the team.
• 1:06:09
  He's just going back to his I think his old role.
• 1:06:11
  So you know.
• 1:06:12
  I think it's expected.
• 1:06:13
  Who cares?
• 1:06:14
  We'll see if it makes a difference.
• 1:06:19
  But I don't know.
• 1:06:21
  We got rumors of not even secret meetings because it was caught on video but Horner
• 1:06:25
  and the V-car principal.
• 1:06:27
  We got Danny Rick.
• 1:06:29
  Just Tyler tell us what's going on with the Czechos.
• 1:06:32
  Just the whole Red Bull stuff heading into summer break here.
• 1:06:36
  Yeah.
• 1:06:37
  So just recently after the race there was a meeting with Horner, Mekis which is the
• 1:06:45
  Racing Bulls team principal and Danny Rick.
• 1:06:47
  Everybody was smiles shook hands.
• 1:06:49
  Danny Rick was all gippity gippity getting out of there right.
• 1:06:52
  So everybody was thinking oh Danny Rick's going to Red Bull.
• 1:06:55
  Nope.
• 1:06:56
  They had their meeting this morning.
• 1:06:57
  Marco and Horner and you know the brass at Red Bull sat down and Horner came out afterwards
• 1:07:02
  and committed to Checo.
• 1:07:04
  In quote he said Checo remains a Red Bull racing driver despite recent speculation and
• 1:07:08
  we look forward to seeing him perform at the tracks he has previously excelled at after
• 1:07:12
  the summer break.
• 1:07:13
  So silly season has kind of started to kind of like all right we're going to settle down.
• 1:07:19
  Carlos has signed, Ocon signed, Checo's staying.
• 1:07:24
  But I think what it does solidify I'm glad that like all that speculation is gone.
• 1:07:28
  I hated hearing about it.
• 1:07:29
  I think it was just overrunning the media with how good the F1 season has been.
• 1:07:32
  There's just been way too much drama that's taken away from the performance of the season.
• 1:07:37
  So with Carlos being gone, Checo rumors put to a squash.
• 1:07:41
  There's three spots left that are pretty undesirable.
• 1:07:45
  So it's like I think it's we're in a good place.
• 1:07:48
  But what I think it does do is I think it solidifies Danny Rick as that V-Carb driver
• 1:07:52
  for the rest of the year.
• 1:07:53
  For the rest of this season at least yeah for sure.
• 1:07:57
  You don't think so?
• 1:07:58
  No I think for the rest of this year yes but if I may put on my tin foil hat for a moment.
• 1:08:02
  Go for it.
• 1:08:04
  Red Bull announces Danny Rick to replace Checo next year.
• 1:08:09
  Maybe even during the summer break.
• 1:08:14
  So Horner's going to come out back up as driver but you're thinking that maybe still during
• 1:08:18
  the summer break that they announce that during the summer break during the summer break probably
• 1:08:23
  not going to happen again very tin foil hat moment for sure but being Checo being replaced
• 1:08:28
  still not out of the cards.
• 1:08:30
  So yes it's good to know right now that he has a seat after.
• 1:08:34
  That drama is not going to stop.
• 1:08:35
  And that's why I still count the V-Card seats still being open.
• 1:08:38
  Because like yeah Checo would probably you'd think would slide into that V-Carb but do
• 1:08:41
  they somehow still pay Checo whatever void the deal and put somebody else in the V-Card
• 1:08:46
  next year.
• 1:08:47
  I think at this point if this is kind of a situation that I'm I guess it's not a situation
• 1:08:52
  I'm hoping to happen but if it comes down to Checo being replaced I would like to see
• 1:08:56
  Liam Lawson take Danny Rick's spot and Checo become a reserve.
• 1:09:01
  I would agree with you and I to be honest with you I think that's how it would play
• 1:09:03
  out.
• 1:09:04
  I think if Checo is removed from the Red Bull seat then he has no business being on the
• 1:09:09
  V-Carb because that's the racing bulls whatever they go by.
• 1:09:15
  You know it's not a that's not a team designed for a Checo.
• 1:09:18
  It's not a team designed for a Danny Rick.
• 1:09:21
  So it's like so I think Danny Rick's not going to be on racing bull next year.
• 1:09:25
  I don't see that and I think it would be a huge huge disservice to see what we have in
• 1:09:30
  Liam Lawson not putting them in a seat next year.
• 1:09:34
  I think that guy I mean what he showed last year when he took over for Danny Rick when
• 1:09:37
  he got hurt like that kid has some speed and he has some promise and I want to see him
• 1:09:41
  in an F1 car every well not every race.
• 1:09:43
  Well and that brings us into the last part of the news here is talking about those remaining
• 1:09:47
  seats and we'll just start with that V-Carb and lock that up.
• 1:09:51
  We're thinking that that Liam's in the seat no matter what.
• 1:09:54
  It's interesting that you mentioned Checo as a reserve driver.
• 1:09:57
  Do you think Checo can accept that role?
• 1:10:00
  I don't think he has a choice.
• 1:10:02
  To stay close to F1.
• 1:10:03
  That's what I mean.
• 1:10:04
  That that like.
• 1:10:05
  Can he I mean will he be happy about it?
• 1:10:08
  Of course not.
• 1:10:10
  Can he accept it?
• 1:10:11
  He's going to have to.
• 1:10:12
  I mean we also have to think of that Checo bringing in a lot of like a lot of money just
• 1:10:17
  in in like how he got into F1 and also the the Mexico market as well.
• 1:10:22
  I think this is really important to Red Bull for sure.
• 1:10:26
  But yeah I just don't see like you said V-Carb is not a spot for.
• 1:10:33
  It's not a spot for vets.
• 1:10:34
  It's a spot for up up and comers to be put into the Red Bull.
• 1:10:37
  Marco has said that himself.
• 1:10:39
  Like it's it's just I just don't think it would be a smart move.
• 1:10:42
  It'd be an easy move to swap them right because it's less paperwork maybe and it's I guess
• 1:10:46
  less messy because you're not putting you know a driver in the top car on the grid into
• 1:10:51
  reserve which is insane.
• 1:10:53
  But at the same time man.
• 1:10:55
  Given the circumstances.
• 1:10:56
  Yeah given the circumstances he just hasn't been performing so yeah it's he it doesn't
• 1:11:03
  matter if he can't accept it he's going to have to.
• 1:11:06
  Like he doesn't.
• 1:11:07
  At some point.
• 1:11:08
  His only way is what's in his contract you know and if his contract says that they can
• 1:11:11
  do that and they could do it.
• 1:11:13
  Right right.
• 1:11:14
  He could I mean he could walk away but you're walking away from a lot of millions.
• 1:11:18
  Yeah they're still going to pay him if he's in reserve for Red Bull like he's still a
• 1:11:22
  spokesperson for him they're still going to pay him.
• 1:11:26
  Okay so we got the V carb seat locked up let's hypothetically say right we got Liam in the
• 1:11:31
  V carb seat.
• 1:11:32
  Let's say we got next year next year this is next season we're talking about.
• 1:11:36
  But a lot of this news could come out in the next three weeks.
• 1:11:39
  Let's say we got Antonelli locked up in the Mercedes seat you know that's the room been
• 1:11:42
  the rumor all year.
• 1:11:44
  Do you guys think there's any other chance.
• 1:11:46
  Yes well let me get to that because I am curious about that too and then we got Alpine seat
• 1:11:52
  will be gasoline's partner there and we got a steak seat still open.
• 1:11:57
  So we just kind of made a list of drivers and then let's circle back to Mercedes the
• 1:12:01
  drivers that we currently have on the list anyway.
• 1:12:04
  Current drivers you got both us you know he's still available as a possible option for a
• 1:12:08
  seat Joe Joe's probably done Logan's going to Indy KMag probably done I don't think there's
• 1:12:15
  enough there that you know maybe he can make a shot at a reserve driver but I honestly
• 1:12:21
  don't see it he's probably done Danny Rick we're thinking could be in a Red Bull next
• 1:12:26
  year and then you got Antonelli obviously Jack Duhan waiting for his chance you know
• 1:12:31
  Mick will probably get another opportunity just because of because of his last name and
• 1:12:36
  was kind of thrown into a bad situation.
• 1:12:39
  The rumor of the rumor of Vettel is always going to be around four time champ obviously
• 1:12:44
  but he is 37 years old unretired for the Senate tribute but obviously kind of a joke Nick
• 1:12:50
  DeVries will he ever get another shot.
• 1:12:53
  Why is he on this list?
• 1:12:54
  I had to throw him on there man.
• 1:12:55
  Why?
• 1:12:56
  Had to.
• 1:12:57
  That dude could perform in an Alfa Tori.
• 1:12:59
  Never know never know maybe somebody like Stakes is like screw it.
• 1:13:03
  Is he still a reserve driver for someone?
• 1:13:04
  I don't think so no he's racing in like what GP3 or whatever.
• 1:13:09
  So going back to your Mercedes point who else would you even put in a Mercedes car than
• 1:13:14
  Antonelli today?
• 1:13:16
  There's only one person that's viable outside of Antonelli and I think that would be Batsis
• 1:13:21
  just to get play that number two to play that teammate.
• 1:13:23
  That's interesting.
• 1:13:24
  I know you're gonna say Mick and I don't think Mick's an option next year.
• 1:13:28
  I 100% agree with everything he just said.
• 1:13:30
  I think Boulthoz would be an excellent option he'd be a great number two to George I think
• 1:13:35
  he still has enough skill to I mean I don't think George is gonna win a WDC right now
• 1:13:40
  but like I think he has enough skill to help him get to that point and be you know a great
• 1:13:44
  number two for the team.
• 1:13:46
  I also do not see Mick going right now and do a Mercedes.
• 1:13:49
  I think he needs another opportunity before he would get a big seat.
• 1:13:54
  Yeah I man Boulthoz to Mergue was not even something that I thought of but you're right
• 1:14:00
  it makes sense if they can't get Antonelli.
• 1:14:05
  That being said I feel like Boulthoz personally I feel like Boulthoz has the same possibility
• 1:14:11
  of getting a seat in that spot as Mick does which at the moment for me is no.
• 1:14:18
  No as Mick which at the moment is not is there's no possibility so I just don't think it's
• 1:14:22
  gonna happen.
• 1:14:23
  No I think we all agree that Antonelli is probably getting a seat.
• 1:14:26
  I mean it has to.
• 1:14:27
  It has to.
• 1:14:28
  Yeah I don't know.
• 1:14:29
  God that'd be crazy.
• 1:14:30
  What are they holding on for?
• 1:14:31
  Max to leave?
• 1:14:32
  Is that the only reason they haven't signed him?
• 1:14:34
  Is there waiting on Max?
• 1:14:35
  I mean Max has made it clear in the public that he's staying with Red Bull.
• 1:14:38
  He's also watching Antonelli just to make sure he's good to go.
• 1:14:44
  You lost out on everybody else.
• 1:14:46
  Yeah.
• 1:14:47
  When are you gonna take a shot?
• 1:14:48
  And hey maybe they already have their decision they're just waiting for some reason.
• 1:14:51
  So just to be the little toto being a little pressy.
• 1:14:55
  So Alpine and Mercedes, Liam Lawson and Vycarb who's taking those last two seats?
• 1:15:00
  Alpine and Stake.
• 1:15:02
  If Voltas doesn't go to Mercedes I think he has a good chance of staying at stake.
• 1:15:09
  Alpine it's either going to be Jack or Mick I believe.
• 1:15:14
  Mick because I don't know what it is but Toto has a connection to Alpine somehow.
• 1:15:20
  So it's either gonna be Duhan or Mick I believe.
• 1:15:24
  Who's in the second Alpine seat again?
• 1:15:27
  Gasly.
• 1:15:28
  Yeah so yeah I think that would be fine if they had a rookie or a returning driver.
• 1:15:33
  And then Stake.
• 1:15:36
  Yeah it's hard to think that Joe is gonna get re-signed.
• 1:15:39
  I heard he brings in good money though.
• 1:15:41
  So that might solidify him.
• 1:15:46
  But if it's not Joe then I think it's Voltas.
• 1:15:48
  I think he just re-signs.
• 1:15:49
  I didn't know Joe brought in a lot of money.
• 1:15:53
  That's interesting.
• 1:15:54
  I think there's another Checo situation where you might need him and it might be a good
• 1:15:58
  idea heading into Audi.
• 1:16:01
  He's not showing anything on the track.
• 1:16:06
  I agree 100% with you on Alpine.
• 1:16:08
  I think it's Mick or Duhan and I think it's gonna be Duhan.
• 1:16:11
  Just because he already has the connection.
• 1:16:14
  Because he's in Thayer Academy?
• 1:16:16
  He's a reserve driver.
• 1:16:17
  He was F2 last year though.
• 1:16:20
  Did he win last year?
• 1:16:22
  I'll double check.
• 1:16:23
  I feel like he won F3's championship.
• 1:16:26
  He was also a reserve driver last year.
• 1:16:31
  But nonetheless, so I think that Alpine spot, it's one of those two.
• 1:16:34
  I think it's pretty much locked up between one of those two.
• 1:16:38
  That Sauber spot, it's so irrelevant at the end of the day until we see something from
• 1:16:42
  him.
• 1:16:43
  It feels like Haas like four years ago.
• 1:16:45
  I don't think Sauber matters until 2026.
• 1:16:49
  Then we'll start actually talking about it.
• 1:16:51
  But K-Mag to stake, let's start it.
• 1:16:54
  That'd be crazy.
• 1:16:55
  But I think it's gonna be Bautista at the end of the day.
• 1:16:59
  I don't see really what other option is out there.
• 1:17:03
  It's at least a somewhat safe.
• 1:17:05
  It's not gonna be Jo.
• 1:17:07
  He's proven he can't.
• 1:17:08
  And that's the money is that big.
• 1:17:10
  You saying K-Mag to stake is just so funny.
• 1:17:12
  They just take Haas's driver lineup.
• 1:17:15
  That's crazy.
• 1:17:16
  But I think Valtteri would bring in quite a lot of money too.
• 1:17:18
  Valtteri has to be bringing in a good amount.
• 1:17:21
  With his calendars, yeah.
• 1:17:22
  Yeah, I'm saying it is.
• 1:17:23
  But I also said, I mean hey, I said this last week as well, Bautista already looks like
• 1:17:31
  he's retired so he could just do that.
• 1:17:33
  Like you said, that would be the most Bautista.
• 1:17:35
  Nobody would be surprised.
• 1:17:36
  It would be such a Bautista.
• 1:17:37
  You know what?
• 1:17:38
  I think I'm okay.
• 1:17:39
  I don't think he wants to do that but I feel like he would settle into that life very well.
• 1:17:44
  Is there anything else mentioning before we head into summer break?
• 1:17:48
  Is there anything else that could possibly happen that would blow your freaking mind?
• 1:17:51
  I don't really think so.
• 1:17:52
  I wish we had closed dark web but.
• 1:17:55
  For it to be silly season, a lot of the silliness because of the driver market being open has
• 1:18:00
  already kind of cleared its way to this point.
• 1:18:02
  Well and we were looking forward to that Red Bull speculation for the next couple weeks
• 1:18:06
  and to maybe get a surprise all of a sudden and then now that's already shot down.
• 1:18:10
  So yeah, like you said, it's like okay.
• 1:18:12
  So I don't know.
• 1:18:13
  So it's unsigned with Haas.
• 1:18:14
  Okay, that's another Seekon.
• 1:18:15
  Okay, Carlos has signed.
• 1:18:16
  Okay.
• 1:18:17
  That was like the biggest one for sure.
• 1:18:19
  Yeah, I guess the Merc seat is now the really big one.
• 1:18:23
  But we think it's going to be Antonelli.
• 1:18:25
  I'm keyed in on steak.
• 1:18:26
  Even if Antonelli gets into that seat, that's still crazy news.
• 1:18:30
  I think it would be.
• 1:18:33
  I think it would be if it already wasn't already just predicted.
• 1:18:35
  Sure.
• 1:18:36
  You know, if it was like going into the year, I think if they would have made that decision
• 1:18:39
  right away, it would be like holy crap, Mercedes.
• 1:18:42
  What are you doing?
• 1:18:43
  Do you think a little bit of it at this, I mean, do you think it not doing that from
• 1:18:47
  the start, you know how much pressure that puts on him to perform at the F2 level?
• 1:18:51
  Say that again?
• 1:18:54
  If Mercedes would have started the year saying, yep, Kimmy's our driver next year.
• 1:18:57
  Oh.
• 1:18:58
  How much pressure that would have put on him to perform.
• 1:19:00
  But I mean, the rumors have already been there all year.
• 1:19:02
  Yeah.
• 1:19:03
  But then again, do you want to-
• 1:19:04
  Well, since Lewis's departure.
• 1:19:07
  You also might want to put that pressure on him and see how he handles it.
• 1:19:10
  Which he came out and said last week that he's not sure if he's ready for that.
• 1:19:14
  He don't know if he's handling it well.
• 1:19:15
  He doesn't even know.
• 1:19:16
  Like, yeah, that's just got to be, that's a red flag to me.
• 1:19:19
  Like we like we touched on last week.
• 1:19:21
  That's a red flag.
• 1:19:22
  Like is that fun driver?
• 1:19:23
  You got to be about what you're about.
• 1:19:24
  You know what I mean?
• 1:19:25
  Yeah.
• 1:19:26
  So definitely something to keep an eye on through this summer break.
• 1:19:30
  With that, well, man, this episode was a doozy.
• 1:19:33
  This was a long winded episode.
• 1:19:34
  We had a lot of information to get out.
• 1:19:36
  You're not going to see us for a couple of weeks anyway.
• 1:19:40
  So yeah, we just had to get it out.
• 1:19:42
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• 1:19:47
  Take his hiatus here as he becomes a father of a third child.
• 1:19:51
  Big congrats though.
• 1:19:52
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• 1:19:55
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• 1:19:56
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• 1:19:57
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• 1:19:59
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