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House of the Dragon S02E01 "A son for a son" · May The Review Be With You

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It's amazing that you didn't notice that really until after. It's so, you
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know, I think it's really well, speak for yourself. I was fag
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attention. I know, well, you're you're you know you're a nerd.
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No, I know you can say a nerd. Hello man, Welcome to
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May the review be with you with Nick and Joe. I'm Joe, I'm
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Nick, and today we are reviewing season two of House of the Dragon.
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The first episode of season two A sun for a sun, A lot to
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talk about today, And let me go ahead Nick and just say I think
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I felt this way during season one, but I don't care. I'm gonna
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say it again. Uh. It feels so good to have a Song of
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Ice and Fire story on Sunday nights. I can't explain it. There's just
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something really nice about it. Undercent agree. It's just such a cool story
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and world, and it's just it's a proper show. It's a proper TV
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show. It's got great writing, fantastic act acting all the way through.
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Doesn't disappoint very It's very rare that a story from the Song of Ice and
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Fire disappoints, and this this first episode, I was right in line with
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that it was a great pilot or not pilot, but a great opener for
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this season two. So I'm excited to get into it. Yeah, no,
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it really was there. There were so many welcome things getting into this
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episode. In particular, I'm a big Matt Smith fan, and watching Matt
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Smith be Damon Targarian is such a treat. He's so conniving and yeah,
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just just a ruthless guy. And of course that is going to lead to
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some problems this episode, this season, and ultimately this story, but we'll
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get into that. Nick, your first impressions this show When this episode ended,
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I was my thought was this freaking world, man, this freaking world,
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this freaking story, It just it just has a way of shocking you.
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And then also saying I should have known that this was gonna happen,
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but also just still being ridiculously shocked at how it comes to be. That
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that was my initial reaction, like just disbelief, uh, and how this
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how this show operates, and how how this western oas of the world operates
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Like, oh, just totally crazy, just totally crazy somebody. Yeah,
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like, uh, I think it does go to like the the popcorn ness,
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Uh that you were kind of vibing at at the beginning, right,
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like, there's just kind of a spectacle to this show where you do have
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some very entertaining characters. Then of course, like there's just like a climactic
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horrible scene that catches you off guard, right that this show Both shows are
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well known for now at this point quick tangent here Actually I wanted to get
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into because it just clicked for the memory for me. So we've never talked
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about this on the podcast before, but one of the reasons why we're doing
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this podcast is because Nick and I have a habit of getting on the phone
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with each other to geek out about whatever it is that we both just watched.
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And you know, at one point we were like, well, we
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should start recording our geek outs. Whether or not anybody listens, we're wasting
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time not doing it right. And I could be wrong, Nick, but
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I think one of the first shows we did that with as adults was Game
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of Thrones. I'm pretty confident in it is. Yeah, that sounds that
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sounds right, Uh, Because we were both in college and we weren't seeing
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each other nearly as much anymore, and that was one of our ways of
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staying connected. Yeah, I think that's one hundred percent accurate. That sounds
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that definitely sounds right. So it's very cool that it's a little full circle
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here with us being able to talk about House of the Dragon. Now,
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this is great. Yeah, this is so well. You kept me company
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talking about Game of Thrones as I would have an hour and a half drive
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home. I really appreciated you for that. Those were dark times, dark
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times and dark times. Indeed. Yeah, if anyone listens to us and
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they have a long commute, I sympathize, and you will get through it
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and it will not be forever. All right, You're gonna you're gonna get
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through it. We're just talking about the drive, not the episode. Just
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to be clear, Just to be clear, I mean the episode's dark times
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record. True. Yeah, this one's yeah. Oh man, all right,
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give me your give me your thoughts, any other thoughts besides I think
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so, I'll say this just right before we really dive into the knit and
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gritted this. This story ended with a pretty famous scene that for some reason
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I didn't think we were gonna get this early. The scene is referred to
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as the blood and Cheese scene, and it's you know, of course,
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the scene where agon sun Is is murdered in front of Helena and it's it's
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a pretty violent scene. And I don't know, I just I I thought
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we were gonna get it later. I was not expecting it in the premiere,
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but I thought it was done really well, and we'll get into that.
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It just this whole episode just kind of caught me off guard. I
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don't think I was prepared to just be back in this world. I like
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the premiere just kind of snuck up on me. I was excited on Sunday
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night, and you know, here we are. Yeah. I don't think
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you can prepare. You can't prepare for this, for this world. It's
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like killing babies and stuff. You can't prepare for that. It's unbelievable.
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It's ridiculous. Anyway, ridiculous. Take it away. Where are we starting?
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Where do you want to start? I actually really want to start at
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the very beginning for for two reasons. Number one, So the beginning of
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this episode, I guess, just as a quick rundown. We are reunited
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with Jharis as he is rounding off allies for his mother. He learns the
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news of Luceras having been killed, and there's a lot of like regrouping going
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on in the fallout of Luceras' death right, and we are watching everyone kind
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of react to it, and that that's more or less what this episode is
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is the fallout of his death right, and we see some people grieve,
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we see some people take action, we see different political maneuvers in the making,
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and ultimately the fires of war are getting hotter and hotter. But at
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the beginning of this episode is not hot. It's actually the opposite of hot.
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It is the return to Winterfell, which I was so excited to see
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and again caught off guard. I wasn't expecting to be in Winterfell really at
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all, which I don't know why I wasn't expecting that, I will,
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I forgot you weren't expecting it is so I didn't think. I mean,
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they did pick up pretty much where we left off from season one, right,
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but I think there was a part of me that didn't think it was
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gonna be right where we left off, like the immediate aftermath. And part
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of the reason is just because you know, he's in Winterfell. Her son
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goes to Winterfell at the end of season one to round up to, you
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know, solidify this darks being Allies and it's been two years and like,
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you know, he's a he's a younger guy from an from a filming perspective,
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and I think I was shocked that they were showing us the Winterfell scenes
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because the actor, whose name I don't know, is significantly older than you
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know, his you know then he was you know, two three years ago
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when they filmed season one, so they're felt like we're seeing him like it's
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a time jump from like a real life perspective for the actor, right,
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but it's not really a time tame. He looks a little older, right
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exactly. That's why it was weird for me. Like I wasn't really expecting
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to see Winterfel because I figured like we'd get some kind of scene where,
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you know, maybe he's back from Winterfell or something. Granted, he's still
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gonna look older, but I don't know. I guess that's part of the
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reason I was a little bit thrown off. It's like the immediate aftermath and
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like he's finding out from from the Starks about you know, with the raven,
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about the about his brother's death, which is pretty That was a really
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cool scene when he's on top of the wall, hold up before before we
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get there, because I have a big question about the Wall. Okay,
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so I think I called him Ja Harris before. It's just sarahs just Saras
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is talking to Kreagan Stark. Okay, and again, this is just a
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character I had forgotten about. Creagan Stark is actually like pretty important like historically
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in this lore for reasons I'm sure are gonna play out in this show,
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like there's there's no other reason to introduce this character. However, something that
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really confused and like I needed to remind myself about Creagan's like role in the
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world, because like the way was set up, like I thought he the
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way that they introduced him, I thought he was like the head of the
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Knight's Watch for a moment and I was like, no, he's not.
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He's the head of how Stark. Wait, why the hell are they on
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the wall right now? Like I know we started in Winterfell, but then
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all of a sudden, we're just on the wall, right And it's not
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like I mean, like, hey, maybe he wants to show them the
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wall, right, Okay, cool, It's not like the Wall is like
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a short walk away from Winterfell, like it's pretty far. We saw John
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and his uncle go like, I don't know what three four days before,
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like they got to the wall, like it's a long walk. Yeah.
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Yeah. So the cool part about this episode is that, oh, you
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know, it opens with Winterfel really and and I love that You're just gonna
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completely ignore this, You're like, yeah, all right, whatever, Nerd,
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No, no, no, I'm getting there. I'm getting there.
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I'm getting there. I'm getting there. But I have to I wanted to
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talk about, like why they transitioned, why they even like the way that
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they got us to the wall, right, why Okay, they were telling
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us the story historically about how they used to be chosen, how how men
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used to be chosen to get to the Wall, because they you know,
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back in the day, it was it wasn't always about you know, the
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West Roast from Game of Thrones is it's thieves and people who have been caught
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for crimes and they're sent to the Wall and that's the or they die.
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Right, But back in the day, there wasn't as that they didn't have.
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It sounds like after today's episode or you know this recent episode, that
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that's not fully established. So they also pick men from winter from Winterfell and
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you're putting your hand in a bag and if you pull out a black stone,
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then you have to go and serve basically at the wall. So they
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show us like this cool scene. We get some kind of history about how
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you they used to choose people for the wall, and then we are all
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of a sudden, we see is it Johannes what is his name? It
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is Sirius and and the Lord of Winterfell are now like taking the elevator up
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to the top of the wall, and this is where you're like, why
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are we even here? This took four days to get there, Like,
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this is a very long way to get to the wall, And the conversation
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that they're having is not like we've been traveling together for four days. It's
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like we literally just saw each other today, right, Yeah, these are
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great points. And of course, like he tells the story at the top
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right Gregan Hall, like Stark tells the story at the top about how he's
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brought everyone else or about how like the Starks have always brought, you know,
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a leader from from the Seven Kingdoms to the top so they can see
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the true scope of what they're guarding, essentially to try to give them an
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idea of why it's important that they keep the Wall defended and they keep the
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North secure. But yeah, the fact that we kind of just pick up
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with like here's a winterfil shot and then oh wait, now we're at the
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wall when we know that it takes a long time to get there, very
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funny. Uh. I will say, though, I want to piggyback off
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of what you were saying earlier in regard even though I was like, why
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are we here, like and I'm confused, like let's go, wait,
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what roll is Creagan? But uh, the scene itself You're you're absolutely right
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is awesome a reminder of how important duty is to like the Northmen, right,
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and like the Northmen are just cut from like a different cloth than like
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the western rosie folk, you know, like duty and honor means something totally
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different. I think there's that comment where Creagan says we'll give you two thousand
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gray beards, and just Haa's is like, oh, so like old dudes,
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and Creagan's like, yeah, but it's like old dudes who don't fuck
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around. Man. That was great, And then like I think the line
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that literally gave me chills in this scene, like literal chills, was him
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telling the story of what you were saying about Alison and Otto coming and the
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dragons refusing to cross the Yeah, across the wall, Like I get chills
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thinking about it right now. Well, and then what we know now from
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the last in the future when a dragon crosses the wall? Not great right
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outcome? Ah, this is this is interesting because because because that's an interesting
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point, people online have been saying that that's bad continuity for a Game of
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Thrones. But you bring up something here, what if, all right,
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so like targarians can have dragon dreams, right and they can see the future.
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What if dragons can have dragon dreams right, like they're fully aware of
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what's on the other side. Maybe maybe that is my headcanon today. That's
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a Joe theory. That's a Joe theory. Take it to the bank.
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You know, the game theory got retired. You know what I'm talking about
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on YouTube Game theory the guy who was like, man, that's a game
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theory. Matt Patten. I'm definitely you him before. He's still like a
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huge internet celebrity. He retired earlier this year. Him the catchphrase is up
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for grabs, all right, Well, it's Joe theory. Everybody to come
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up with some flash here. But AnyWho, Uh so, yeah, this
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this scene transitions uh pretty quickly to who I would identify as the current star
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of the show, Raniera, and her grief over her son Luceris and how
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they they're trying. She's trying to, like I think she's trying to come
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to grips with reality, right, and she doesn't quite accept it until she
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sees the dragon's wing and his clothes. She's really like looking for a body
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because she needs closure, right, and and uh, Damon is talking with
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what's her name from Rains? Yeah, Damon's talking to a Rain and Rain
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is just saying that, you know, when her daughter died, she needed
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to see the bones basically to believe it. And so this is really what
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Ranera is doing, is she's looking for a body. She's looking for some
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sign that what she's been told is true, and as you were just hinting
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at, she eventually finds it. She finds that the wing of her son's
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dragon and then like basically his cloaker clothes maybe was what it is or whatever
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that whatever remnants are left of a cloak, yeah, and which is just
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you know, disturbing and heartbreaking in its own right. It's also so wild
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to me how different sizes those dragons can be and the dragons are right,
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like because even at the end of season one, Vegar is just so freaking
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massive compared of Godzilla proportions unbelievable. The really cool to share scope with those
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those dragons and how they really make them like unique as far as the size
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goes. So you rewatched season one before this started, right, Yeah?
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Yeah? Yeah, So I rewatched the finale, and I for I knew
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that the last scene is like actually kind of scary, but I forgot how
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much it feels like Jaws, you know, like where all of a sudden,
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like you can't see the right right and like you just don't know where
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the shark is gonna come from. Yeah, and then yeah, yeah,
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rut what a brutal, scary scene. Yeah, insane. Yeah. I
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think to get some organization here, Nick, I think I'm going to focus
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on the Blacks for now, and for the second half of this we'll focus
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on Team Green since that's ultimately where this episode ends, is with the Greens.
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Cool. So you were talking about Damon before we get that conversation with
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Damon and Nier. He's and he seems like his like motivation of this episode
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is just like let's go, like let's throw down, you know, like
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what he's trying to do in every scene, and like it's it's not paying
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off until until the end. Uh what what do you think about where Damon's
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head is at right now? Oh? Just constant aggression. He he just
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he wants the war. He wants to he wants to be in battle.
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He's a warrior, so it makes sense he wants to take his dragons and
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go fuck sh it up. Not really blame him, can't blame him,
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but you know, thankfully, you know, like Raniera is is uh,
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well, you know in this case, thankfully she's she's mourning, and she's
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mourning in her own way, and like no one's gonna she's the she's the
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queen, she's the king, and so she's not going to like Damon can't
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give anyone orders, right, And he's trying though, he's trying. He's
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trying, and no one's listening to him. And also not bold enough to
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go by himself. So it's kind of like he well he's not stupid enough
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to mess with Vagar, right, Like Vigar is like yeah, alone alone.
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So but yeah, just constant aggression from him, and and that's really
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it, right, There's not a lot else going on on Team Black,
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I would say, there's mostly just him trying and a struggle to move right.
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Yeah. Yeah. The cool part though about Rania is and I didn't
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realize this until after the episode when they do the little recap with the directors
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and the producers of the show. She only has one line in the whole
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episode, which is really awesome, and I think the line is basically just
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I want aim In Targarian. This is just is what the line is.
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That's it. That's all she says, which like, it's amazing that you
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didn't notice that really until after it's so, you know she I think it's
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really well done. Speakers, I was paying attention. I notice, well
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you're you're you know, you're a nerd. I know you can a nerd,
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but it's true that. Yeah, that's really awesome that that's her only
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line in the whole the whole first episode is I want Aimon Targarian. Of
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course, this is what Damon's been waiting for. And uh, he takes
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it upon himself to figure out a way to to get into King's landing and
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obviously uses the what was her name, the white White Worm for information and
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then from there finds the the two the two men that's going that are going
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to help him get a son for a son here at the end. But
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what about you say, that's for Team Black that you want to talk about?
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Yes, uh, there there are two things in particular, the first
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being just SRI's returning home to talk to Ranira. I think this was like
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my second favorite scene in the entire episode. I just I really loved the
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acting here. Well, I love the delivery of what just sarahs is trying
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to say because he walks in and he's trying to be, you know,
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the Prince of Dragonstone, and he's trying to do his duty right, which
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like that's the theme of this episode, is you know, doing doing your
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duty right. That's the way it starts, and we certainly see some hypocrites
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of that on Team Green. And as as he's trying to like give that
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report you know of House Aaron and how Stark. Once he gets to how
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Stark, like you can hear his voice start to crack and like the tears
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just start to come, and his mother embraces him for like the little boy
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that like he is right, Like he's just a child, right, and
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like the dude just lost his younger brother, which like you know, he
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definitely feels responsible for because he wasn't there. Yeah. I thought that scene
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was heartbreaking, very yeah, extremely heartbreaking, and that was done so well
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also because when he first starts talking, I was like, oh, it's
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so weird that, like this is the first thing he's saying to her.
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They must have debriefed about his brother in a different room off camera, like
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it is how I first started to think about it. And then he gets
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halfway through telling her what the updates are and he just breaks down and like,
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Okay, he was trying to hold it together and get through get through
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the list of all the houses he had just gotten to visit. So yeah,
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truly heartbreaking because it starts off so so innocent, because you know,
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it seems like a matter of fact. Yeah, it's like a very matter
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of fact at the beginning, and then all of a sudden, she's like,
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oh wait, the weight of everything that is currently happening is like coming
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down on top of him because he's telling his mother. Yeah, brutal heartbreaking
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for sure. I think I don't know for me, Like the way I
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interpret that scene, I think it's because, like I think in that moment,
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he realizes, like how unimportant, Like the things that he's saying actually
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are, Like they're obviously they're important, they are important, but like for
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the elephant in the room, they don't matter at all, right, which
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ultimately I think is what like kills me inside when I hear him say that,
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And like because like we're only at the beginning of this war, Like
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it's only going to get worse from here, you know. The other thing
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I wanted to bring up this was a small thing, but it is ultimately
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going to have some big implications. So Corlis Valerian he is he doesn't have
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a lot to do in this episode, but like off screen, he's doing
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a lot, you know. So we we see Corla. He's getting his
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ship. It's getting his legs back. I don't know what you say about
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repairing a ship. I don't know nothing about no boats. So he's getting
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his ship repaired, but he has a blockade at the gullet that's cutting off
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trade King's landing, which we hear from Team Green is having some like pretty
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pretty bad implications, right, So our our master of I forgot what they
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call it. A master of naval warfare. What is that called? Master
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of ship? Master of ship? Right, matter of ship? I think,
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yeah, master of ship. Yeah, our our master of ship is
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doing a great job holding down the fort. He has this scene talking to
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this new character and you know, he says, you were the one I
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heard you were the one who pulled me from the wreckage. And guy's like,
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it was my duty right keeping him with the theme? Uh, and
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you know, Corlis reminds him, He's like, hey, like, I
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owe you a life debt, and the camera like just lingers on the character
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for like a long time, like for the director to be like, hey,
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remember remember this guy. He's probably gonna be important. Yeah, I
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am. I am looking forward to that. Did that sit off any alarm
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bells for you? Yeah? I mean anytime a ranking member of you know,
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a house tells tells a lesser member of the city that he has a
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life debt, basically, it's gonna it's gonna jolt you a little bit.
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That's gonna be very interesting. He also has a brother, right, who
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he's also enlisted to help fix the ship. I imagine we're going to get
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some some kind of insight into what what all that entails here in the future,
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which will be cool. I always love when we get new characters that
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we don't really know about, so you know, they they love to give
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us new characters and then rip our hearts out. So well, uh,
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we'll see how long they last here. But yeah, no on, no
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one in the Game of Thrones universe really has any staying power, do they,
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right exactly? And you know this is a prequel, so we know
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how pretty much everything ends. Well, yeah, pretty much, although the
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steaks do feel pretty high. Yeah, I will say that that is there's
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there's a genius I think to this show. If you're if you're not familiar
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with like the Targarian Civil War, you know, like, okay, well
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the Targarians obviously are still around in the future, so they don't wipe themselves
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out. However, because they're both Targarians, I don't know which family is
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going to survive, right, So like that, in and of itself,
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you're not if you're not familiar with the story, that in and of itself
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is great built in stakes right right. For those of us who are familiar
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with with the history of this and we know which family is going to come
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out on top. What's really cool about this show versus like the books,
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is how it's been told. The book is a history book, and the
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history book specifically tells us, you know, we got these accounts from this
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specific character who often like has a contradictory interpretation of events with another character,
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so we don't know exactly like what the truth is of these moments. And
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what's been really cool about this show is we're not getting third, third hand
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accounts. We're getting direct accounts. Certain things have been going down in the
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show differently than the books, and it's not contradictory, it's this is the
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first hand account. A perfect example is Aimin and Vagar when they kill luce
27:42
Aras, because the way it's describing the book is it's a vicious attack and
27:47
he did it because he had vengeance in his heart, right, and he's
27:51
just this cold person, right. They describe him as a monster. But
27:55
in the show, like we see like he's trying to fuck with luce Aras,
27:59
but he doesn't want to kill. In fact, like when Vagar goes
28:00
in for the kill, he screams, no, right, right, right,
28:04
which really cool depth for the character. That like we just don't have
28:08
in the book because it's, like I said, it's just a different story.
28:11
And you bring up that point about it, how of it being a
28:14
history book and we're getting like the first hand account, and how the history
28:18
books can be a little bit misleading with depending on who is recanting the story.
28:22
It reminds me of Game of Thrones with the whole Ned Stark and is
28:27
it Lena oh Lean Leana Stark and you know how John snow essentially ends up
28:37
being a member of the family, you know, the whole story Game of
28:41
Thrones until that very last season when we actually get what can be I guess
28:48
more of a first hand account. We get like the real vision right from
28:52
I think brands having the vision of what actually happened, which is I guess
28:56
technically a first hand account. But up until that moment we won, we
29:00
had like the history book story right, and there was a lot of pieces
29:04
left out. I don't know. It kind of reminded me of that that
29:07
particularly. I think that's a really good It's I think that's a really good
29:11
comparison because so so much of A Song of Ice and Fire is told from
29:17
the point of view of a character right, right, And they are not
29:22
reliable narrators ever, which is brilliant, right because from a show perspective,
29:26
you can almost do whatever they want to as long as they get there the
29:30
right way, right, as long as they hit the historical beats. Yeah,
29:34
it's really brilliant. Freaking George R. Martin, that's cool, all
29:40
right? What else? What else you got? That's all I've got for
29:42
Team Black, which I think is now a good time to hear a word
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from our sponsors. And we're back and we still have half an episode to
29:52
talk about here, which is wild. We still have the Greens to discuss.
29:57
So I guess to describe what's going on with the Greens is, you
30:00
know, it's not as reactionary. I mean, in a way, it
30:04
is, right like they're kind of just like trying to figure out what their
30:07
next move should be, right, And I think that there's a lot more
30:11
political intrigue going on in this half of the story, right, Like there's
30:15
a lot of people trying to like play three D chess with each other here
30:19
in particular, it feels like Auto, Aimin and Alison are all like working
30:26
against each other. Yeah, definitely a lot of political turntmoil currently going on
30:34
at kings Landing. It's very interesting. They all have their own vision of
30:38
what needs to happen next, but they all know that what happens next is
30:42
next is war. They just all disagree on how to start, although it's
30:48
already begun, right, I mean, like there's no other way, nothing
30:53
else is going to happen. And they even Auto and Alison even have this
30:59
conversation, you know, later in the episode, like we both know it's
31:02
war essentially, and they just have to now agree on like how to control
31:07
Egon. Right, It's like, I freaking love Game of Thrones, Like
31:11
in this Song of Ice and Fire like, it's it's always about how the
31:15
people around the king can control the king. It's always about controlling the king
31:19
instead of letting the king run things, you know. And it's so interesting.
31:23
It feels very much so that the hand of the king in this case,
31:27
Auto like is the one in control, right Like, he's the true
31:32
like master of wester Ross at this point, for now, at least for
31:36
now. But we've got some little birdies here talking to Agon separately, trying
31:42
to get him to be a conversation with Larry's is really interesting very interesting.
31:48
I found myself thinking during this episode that I'm ready for Auto High Tower to
31:53
not be living anymore, to exit the stage left. He needs to exit.
32:00
Just I'm getting more and more annoyed at him as the episodes go on.
32:02
He has played his part well, but I think it's time for him
32:07
to go. I agree. I think if you could choose a villain for
32:13
for House of the Dragon, I think some, maybe most, would agree,
32:17
it's Auto High Tower. Yeah. He's just he's just such a bastard
32:22
Otto pimped out his daughter to like his best friend who was like way too
32:27
old for his daughter. Yeah. Yeah, so it goes she's going fine
32:31
though, Wow, clearly with uh you know her her guard God. Yeah,
32:37
speaking of duty and honor. The biggest hypocrites of the episode, he's
32:42
one of the Yeah, yeah, he's He's such an interesting character though,
32:46
right because like kind of like you were saying, you know, the episode
32:50
is really about duty in a lot of ways, and we get insight into
32:57
wait sorry sorry, no that's that's later or earlier. Sorry, we get
33:01
we get insight into, you know, the the Sir Christen's escapades with the
33:08
Queen basically or not not the queen anymore. Yeah, yeahs still the queen.
33:15
Oh no, I guess you're queen. She's not regent. Yeah,
33:16
yes's queen anymore with the King's mother with Alison. And it's funny, right
33:25
because you know, he's supposed to be all about this duty and all these
33:29
things, and then he's you know, essentially having sex with the person he's
33:34
supposed to guard and then also simultaneously on his off time talking to Aimond about
33:42
strategy and how to take over and and defeat Damon and or near us.
33:46
So, uh, it's a very interesting character, Sir Kristen, who,
33:52
of course, you know, in season one absolutely loses his brain and kills
33:58
kills the love interest of of one of the Valeyrians. So yeah, what
34:02
an interesting character. I yeah, I'm glad you brought him up from a
34:07
segue to auto because, like, let me say, I take back what
34:12
I said about auto Otto. I think is like the villain of the show.
34:15
But like as far as like the most despicable characters, I hate Kristin
34:21
Cole because like, here's here's my thing, right, all right? So
34:24
outo High Tower's a bastard man, but like at least he has ambition and
34:29
he's like trying to like selfishly like preserve like his legacy, right, Like
34:32
there's like a method to the madness, right, there are reasons why he
34:37
does what he does. Whereas like Kristin Cole is just such a baby,
34:42
Like he willingly walked into like a relationship with Rania, right like knowing like
34:46
what it was, and then like as soon as she was like all right,
34:50
no more, he's like just like just starts crying about it, right
34:54
and just like emotionally can't handle it, and it decides we'll like screw it,
35:00
I'm gonna sleep with your best friend. It just like he sucks.
35:05
He just sucks so much. He's like the dude who like who loves like
35:12
bullying people. But like as soon as like you start messing with him,
35:14
you can't you can't handle Yeah, you know. So, as far as
35:17
I'm concerned, Auto High Tower and and and Sir Kristen are both on my
35:22
kill list. So hopefully they're both before the end of the end of the
35:24
season. Hopefully they're both gone. Yes, wonderful. What did we used
35:29
to call that? What was the what was the the Game of Thrones?
35:31
Deadpool game, Game of Corpses, yeah, yeah, we should cos they're
35:37
both on the dead Pool. We should we should get it going after this.
35:39
Uh all right, and then all right, what else? What else?
35:45
I really want to talk about? A gone? Yeah, oh yeah,
35:47
that's where I was going, so A go. I really like the
35:52
difference in this first episode. I love it. He's like, he's it's
35:57
only been a couple of weeks, right, Season one has ended essentially since
36:02
this whole crazy since he became king, It's only been a few weeks in
36:07
story time, and he is like taken, He's he's the king now.
36:10
He actually feels very king like in some ways, and he's got a great
36:15
presence. Yeah, I love I loved him in this episode and really Coolry,
36:23
like really cool seeing him want to bring his son into into the meetings
36:29
and and like try to get his son involved already, which of course is
36:32
the show like ripping our hearts out before ripping our hearts out, you know,
36:37
showing us this cute kid, playful in the meeting he's not supposed to
36:40
be in because Agon loves him so much that he wants to, you know,
36:44
show him what it's like to be and you know, he wants to
36:46
bring his air up correctly on like how he was brought up. Damn show,
36:51
damn she I do like that, like he's he's intentionally like a Shenaniganizer,
36:58
right, Like he's just like trying to like stir the pot, right,
37:00
like he wants his kid to also stir the pot. I I think
37:06
I think that there is like some division. I don't know if people dislike
37:08
him, but I think there's some division on how people are interpreting him,
37:14
right like, because I think some people are like, oh, well,
37:16
he's a lot like Jeoffrey. I don't. I don't think he's a lot
37:20
like Jeoffrey. I people need to go back and watch right right, right,
37:23
Jeffrey was nothing like Joy crazy. I think I think the only I
37:30
think the only similarity you can make is Agon. Agon and Jeoffrey both just
37:37
don't are very smart, right, Like they're they're not that smart, especially
37:40
Geoffre. Jeoffrey was horribly dumb, right. I wouldn't describe Agon is particularly
37:46
smart either. However, to what you were saying, I think Agon has
37:52
a good heart. Ultimately, Yeah, they show it in the episode Yeah
37:55
when he's when he's has the uh the people from King's Landing, when he's
38:01
got them. What is the petitions? He got the petitions for what need
38:05
to be done? Like, you can tell that he cares based on the
38:07
answers he wants to give and then the answer he gives the Blacksmiths against Auto
38:13
High Tower's instruction. Right, He's like, they need the money now,
38:16
we need them, and we need the smaller groups to be able to win
38:22
this war. It's like he has the kind of heart that actually could win
38:25
over the people and the small folk. Right. He actually seems like he
38:30
has it, at least at the moment. But I think what happens at
38:37
the end of this episode is going to completely just change this guy's being of
38:43
course, which is disappointing because I feel like if we could bottle this egg
38:47
on up, I could see him like running the Seven Kingdoms in it being
38:52
successful as long as Auto is out of the picture. Right, And like
38:57
he's got someone he can actually rely on who's not trying to like usurp him
39:00
or use him. Yeah, I totally agree has him to be a good
39:05
king. His brother should be his his hand. I don't know, I
39:09
mean, so so his brother supports him. I agree with that. I
39:14
think his brother supports him, but his brother is also a psychopath. Yeah,
39:19
yeah, his brother is a psychopath and he would just want war,
39:22
which I mean literally aimed. Is Team Green's Damon right, No, he
39:29
is. He is purposely Yeah, they're purposely being paralleled, waiting for their
39:35
battle. That's gonna be awesome if it comes. I'm excited for that.
39:38
I'm assuming it comes here giving me a face. He read the books,
39:42
so that'll be a good one. So the end of this episode is,
39:47
of course, Damon has infiltrated the city since he has extensive knowledge of different
39:55
passageways all around King's Landing, and he makes contact with an old Gold Cloak
40:01
member and then a rat catcher who the White Worm had informed him of,
40:08
and he pairs them together. The show does not name these two, however,
40:13
in the subtitles. I think one of them is named Cheese. Uh.
40:15
These characters, though, in the book are Blood and Cheese, and
40:20
they are infamous because of what happens here at the end forward transition there to
40:25
the end. The thing I wanted to bring up with Agon, I wish
40:31
that there was just an episode of Agon, just like Brown Out with his
40:35
dude unthrowned, Like I enjoyed that so much. Yeah, that was cool.
40:40
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's a likable king. At least
40:45
he's not gonna be anymore because you know, blood and cheese came up in
40:49
there and just like said, screw it, you ain't got no more ruined
40:52
it just ruined it. Dude. I mean, look, what is I
40:57
mean, what does Damon expect. He's sending two idiots, basically sending two
41:02
village idiots to you know, try to infiltrate the king or the queen or
41:12
the I mean really they're trying to find Aimen, but like they don't know
41:15
where they're going. Once they get to the high end of the castle.
41:20
It's a bad plan. It's a terrible bad plan because so many things can
41:24
go wrong. And I get it from his point of view. He's like,
41:30
it's a dude with long hair and one eye. How hard could it
41:34
be to find I think even says that, he says, it's like it
41:36
should be easy to find him. It's like, well, of course not,
41:38
because we don't know what his movements are. And like, based on
41:42
where they end up, I think they end up in the room that Aimon
41:45
was just in before Otto interrupted, So like they just missed Aimen. Right.
41:53
There's a really cool scene though, when they walk into that room and
41:58
Cheese looks up and sees, uh, it's a it's a portrait of the
42:02
burning of heron hall with like one of Agon's dragons egg on the first dragons
42:08
coming over. I think it's Balarion and just spitting hell fire over and like
42:13
you can tell he's like horrified by the image of it. And honestly,
42:17
like, I think it's kind of fucked up that the Targarians keep that up
42:21
there in their room. It's like it's like, damn, this is the
42:23
best Jesus. That's pretty brutal anyway, So, yeah, they walk in
42:30
this room, they just miss aimoned. And so they continue their their search
42:36
through the castle and they stumble into the queen's quarters with two babies, you
42:44
know, the guy and the girl, the prince and princess sleeping. Yeah,
42:46
they take a knife to the queen and they ask her to tell them
42:51
which one is the sun, and like so many questions are going on during
42:55
this, right because in her head she's like, do I tell them who
43:01
the son is? Are they going to know I'm lying? Do I tell
43:06
them it's my daughter, and then hope that they don't understand that I'm lying.
43:13
And then they decided, oh, I'm I wouldn't give up my son,
43:15
so I give them my daughter, like they at least that's what's going
43:21
through my head, right, Like her decision to point to the prince very
43:28
quickly. It seemed like it felt like she did kind of point quickly.
43:30
And then Blood even says she wouldn't she wouldn't give them up that easy.
43:36
It must be the other one, right, And then I think Cheese is
43:38
the one who's who looks her in the eye and decides that she was telling
43:42
us the truth from the beginning. And then they they go and they kill
43:46
they kill the boy, which the whole time, I'm like, why are
43:49
they even asking her? It's pretty easy to find out which one is the
43:52
boy, which one was the girl? So I I gave this some thought
43:55
because I had the same idea. It was like, what's the point,
43:59
right, Like why not just check? And I the only thought I have
44:04
to defend, to defend what they did, which I don't want to.
44:08
But I think the idea here is that they're trying to do this as quietly
44:14
as possible. Right, and like as soon as like one of the kids
44:17
like wakes up, like now there's an unknown variable that could like possibly alert
44:22
people that they're there. You know, like they just want to like get
44:27
the information, kill one of the kids, and then run the fuck out
44:30
of there, you know what I mean. I think that's Lucy Goosey logic.
44:32
But that's the only idea I can come up with. Yeah, that
44:36
is the only idea, but it's totally dumb in this scenario, yes,
44:39
because she grabs the girl anyway and gets out of there immediately, and I
44:43
mean she could she goes for help, right, She goes to Alison's room,
44:47
which you know, she's mid mid screw. She walks in there,
44:51
which is just like okay, this is this is just everyone knows this is
44:54
happening then, right, and then Allison's like what's happened? And then this
44:59
sense how the episode ends. But we have to talk about the sound effects
45:01
real quick, like, HBO, thank you for that. She grabs her,
45:07
so the queen grabs her daughter, and they're getting out of the room
45:09
and like as they're leaving the room quickly, like you can just hear blood
45:13
and cheese like stabbing the prince to death. And the sound effects, well,
45:20
like they're not just they're not just stabbing, They're they're cutting, they're
45:23
removing the head. You can hear them sawing like the net because told him
45:29
to bring me the head. Yeah, it's it's pretty brutal. There have
45:35
been some on online saying like that it was whitewashed because we don't see it,
45:40
which I don't know if you need to see a kid being decapitated.
45:45
I think hearing it is enough and it's more than I ever need. I
45:50
don't even I don't need to see anything else. That was enough and honestly
45:54
that was more gruesome than actually seeing it. Just hearing it. Yes,
45:59
I totally agree with this. So the director of this episode is Alan Taylor,
46:07
and he's he's got quite the resume. He's been making TV and making
46:13
film for a long time. As far as Game of Thrones goes, He's
46:16
directed quite a few episodes. What I believe is probably his most famous episode
46:22
is the Baylor episode nine of season one, which of course is the death
46:29
of Ned Stark right, And I think you could make some comparisons to those
46:36
two scenes just based on style, because, like you do, see Ned's
46:40
head get cut off, but like the way it happens, like it's not
46:44
like you watch the head fall off, right, like sword comes and then
46:47
like it's like a cut to black. And I think like you get Aria's
46:50
reaction to like what actually happened, right, which is like it's our reaction
46:54
too, right, because we're like, no, no, he didn't actually
46:58
just die, right, right? So I do you think that there's like
47:00
a similar a similarness there, right, because like again we see it's a
47:06
Helen Helena's reaction right of like of j Harris decapitated. Oh god, what
47:14
a freaking scene, man, And you know what this this has I can't
47:16
I can't wait for the next episode either because Eggon is gonna absolutely flip out,
47:21
and he might also blame Aimond protroactively interesting I mean yeah, yeah right,
47:28
because he because he killed he killed Lucas, So yeah, this doesn't
47:32
happen if that doesn't happen, So there could be some real interesting turmoil,
47:38
you know, within Team Green even that just happened, I mean. And
47:42
then also like no guards, no, nothing, I mean, I guess
47:45
it's it's just you know, them feeling very safe in their towers, right
47:53
in their Ivory Towers Tower. They're feeling very safe in the Ivory Tower.
47:58
They don't need guards outside their doors. Like man, no, I agree,
48:04
And like what we were saying earlier, one of the genius like elements
48:07
of this show is, you know, like we know what historical beats are
48:10
gonna happen. But like, I don't know how Agan's going to react to
48:13
this. I don't know necessarily how this is going to change him. I
48:16
don't think me personally, I don't think he's gonna blame Amen. I think
48:22
he he idolizes his brother too much. I think we idolizes the wrong word.
48:28
I think he thinks very highly of his brother, and I don't think
48:31
he's going to go to him. I think, unfortunately, just like all
48:36
the other women on this show, I think he's gonna blame Helena for the
48:39
death of Jahir. Yeah. Probably, Yeah, because like it just feels
48:44
like every woman in this show just gets the fucking worst of it. Yeah,
48:47
and then of course he'll blame He'll blame Team Black and then well,
48:52
yes, I mean, if there's if there's the next episode doesn't have dragons
48:57
from one of the sides going to the other, I don't know what they're
49:00
dragging it along because this is like, this is the final straw, this
49:05
is all I wore. It starts in episode two, like it has to.
49:08
There's no He's going to be completely distraught. Yeah, I mean,
49:15
if I'm a gone, I'm like, screw it. I'm getting on my
49:17
dragon right now, right, I'm going right taking care of this myself.
49:23
So we'll see, we'll see. Let me let me ask you, just
49:28
as a fun final note here, whose team are you on? Team Black
49:35
Team Black Man? Yeah? Me too, although although that you know,
49:38
at the end of the episode, I was like, oh man, this
49:42
is pretty fucked up. If Auto High Tower also would have died, I
49:45
might be Team Green. But he's still alive, so I cannot cheer for
49:50
Team Green yet. But if Auto High Tower dies, I might be flipping
49:52
sides. Let me just say that I hear that there are some people on
49:55
Team Green that I like. Yeah, I like Agon Like I kind of
50:00
like Alison too. I feel bad for Allison kind I've always kind of like
50:05
Aims. I've always liked him a little bit too. But I love Raniera
50:09
and Damon too much. There they're so great. Raniera is a badass,
50:15
so it's so I'm also think fan of Corlis. Yeah, same, and
50:22
then of course, like if you know whoever side the Starks are on,
50:25
well yeah, yeah, those are the good guys obviously, oh man.
50:34
But yeah, a lot to look forward to. It's gonna be a short
50:37
season, only eight episodes. Uh so we got seven? Yeah right,
50:42
We've only got this for two months, so seven weeks to go, but
50:45
it's gonna be I think it's gonna be really great. Seven weeks. This
50:47
was a really promising start, Nick, If you were to rate it,
50:51
how would you rate it? Throwing me off with the rating. We don't
50:53
rate yeah, yeah, we don't normally. What are you doing single episodes?
50:58
I'm gonna I'm gonna say I'm not going to give it a number.
51:00
I'm going to give it a from a from a scale of terrible too,
51:05
uh, excellent. I'm gonna give it a very good all right, all
51:09
right, very good, very like a very good start, very good from
51:13
here. Yeah, I'm actually good at it. You know, I'm such
51:16
a simp, but I don't care. I'm gonna say great. I thought
51:19
it was great, awesome, awesome, awesome music, awesome acting, great
51:24
effects. The dragons like amazing the Dragons. Yeah, I'm just I'm just
51:30
so baby, we're back. We're so excited we were back. So good.
51:36
Oh but yeah, that'll that'll do it for us today when we come
51:40
back, Nick, what are what are we reviewing next? What's what's on
51:43
the docket? Oh? Man, I think the next thing that we're going
51:45
to be talking about is the opening episode of The Bear season three. Yes,
51:50
yes, oh my god, I can't wait. Yeah, because we're
51:52
intertwining with these three TV series now. So we're gonna do The Bear season
51:57
three, episode one, and then the next thing we'll do at that is
52:00
probably a halfway through of the Acolyte, and then we'll do a halfway through
52:07
of the House of the Dragon, and then we'll do a halfway through of
52:09
The Bear, and then we'll do a review of Deadpool Wolverine, and then
52:14
we'll do a review of all three TV series when they've ended. We're gonna
52:16
be eating good this summer something like that. Well, hear my Mary,
52:21
a little bit, depending on our schedules because life is busy, but you'll
52:24
be seeing you'll be seeing a lot more of us, unfortunately. But yeah,
52:30
Bear season three episode of one reviews coming up coming up this the next
52:32
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