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NOLAN WELLS FAMILY HITS SOCIAL MEDIA GIANTS, SUBPOENAS NOLAN'S ACCOUNTS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Bombshell. Tonight in the last twenty four hours, Nolan Wills's
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Speaker 1: family hits social media giants subpoena ing Nolan's accounts. I means, he, Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us.
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Speaker 2: He was a.
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Speaker 3: Face down on the beach right at the water's edge.
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Speaker 4: If he was sent based down, that also doesn't make
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Speaker 4: sense to me.
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Speaker 5: He's based down, wouldn't flood pool just by nature of
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Speaker 5: gravity this way.
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Speaker 6: So right now we've got a lot of questions. But
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Speaker 6: as the second doctor says, this is all still pending investigation.
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Speaker 1: If this were your child, wouldn't you want to know
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Speaker 1: what happened?
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Speaker 7: The mom asked for Nolan's phone, right, was there a struggle.
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Speaker 6: Over it or.
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Speaker 3: Just handing it over? I mean, we didn't think anything
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Speaker 3: of it, Like, you know, she asked for Nolan's phone.
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Speaker 3: We knew they were close friends with you know, the
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Speaker 3: Wells family, and she just we just but my buddy
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Speaker 3: went out to his truck and handed the phone over,
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Speaker 3: no complications, no issue, and you know nothing. But I
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Speaker 3: mean I told miss Christine that we had his phone
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Speaker 3: and he had left it in our possession on the boat.
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Speaker 2: When when did you talk to her about that?
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Speaker 3: When I was on no, I didn't talk to her once,
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Speaker 3: Like it was like twelve thirty. I mean I might
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Speaker 3: have texted her a couple of times and like you know,
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Speaker 3: talked briefly about a couple of things, but I never,
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Speaker 3: you know, I never. I told her on the phone
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Speaker 3: before I called the co Scar that we had Nolan's
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Speaker 3: phone before I called miss Christine. Well, we none of
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Speaker 3: us had a reason to go through Dylan's phone. I mean,
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Speaker 3: there's multiple phones on the boat. Why would we be
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Speaker 3: in the in the boat was having issues. Why would
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Speaker 3: our concern be getting on Nolan's phone or something. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I don't have to know Nolan's passed word. None of
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Speaker 3: my friends do. We had no reason ever to get
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Speaker 3: on Nolan's phone and look at anything. I didn't even
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Speaker 3: touch Nolan's phone. None of us touched Dylan's phone until
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Speaker 3: somebody took off the boat and put in a watch truck,
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Speaker 3: and then no one touched it until we handed it back,
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Speaker 3: you know, to the mom that was at my buddy's house.
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Speaker 1: That is from the Officer Tatum show. He has interviewed
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Speaker 1: several of the young men that were on the boat
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Speaker 1: when Nolan Wells was taken to Horn Island. They say
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Speaker 1: he was not on the boat on the return trip. Tonight,
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Speaker 1: we learned in the last twenty four hours the Nolan
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Speaker 1: Wells family hits social media giants with subpoenas for all
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Speaker 1: information related to Nolan's phone. First straight out to Dave
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Speaker 1: Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter. Then we will be joined
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Speaker 1: by Brandon Tatum, Dave mac what's happening right now?
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Speaker 8: Nancy, the family of Nolan Wells, has announced that they
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Speaker 8: are going after they have subpoena documents for Nolan Wells's phone.
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Speaker 8: They've gone to the media giants like you know, TikTok, Instagram,
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Speaker 8: the meta companies, everybody that Nolan Wells used to push
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Speaker 8: out videos of what he was doing in pictures, and
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Speaker 8: they're trying to They believe that some material was deleted
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Speaker 8: from Nolan's phone and this is what they're trying to
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Speaker 8: prove with the subpoenas to get all of the information
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Speaker 8: as well as, by the way, the location tracking app
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Speaker 8: Life three sixty, see yet Snapchat, What's app, TikTok, Meta
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Speaker 8: platforms and Life three sixty. All of this the court
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Speaker 8: documents already filed.
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Speaker 2: Dancy.
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Speaker 1: Nolan Wells's family slapped subpoenas on multiple social media giants
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Speaker 1: seeking his account information and data. This into the investigation
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Speaker 1: of the Team college football player's mysterious death. They were
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Speaker 1: issued in the last twenty four hours, including Snapchat, WhatsApp, TikTok,
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Speaker 1: Meta platforms, Life three sixty and These are, according to
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Speaker 1: court documents demanding the company's turnover all materials info related
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Speaker 1: to Nolan's accounts. This includes current and prior user names, passwords,
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Speaker 1: email addresses, phone numbers, even displaying names displayed names. They
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Speaker 1: want IP addresses associated with every account, all communications, chats, posts, stories,
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Speaker 1: and info. His cell phone has become a key a
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Speaker 1: critical issue in the probe into Nolan's death. What happened
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Speaker 1: to Nolan now? His mother, Christine says when her son's
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Speaker 1: phone was brought to the family, they had concerns because
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Speaker 1: there were no pictures or videos on either of his
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Speaker 1: snap Chat accounts, triggering their fear items may have been deleted.
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Speaker 1: That's what's happening. There's been a lot of controversy. We're photos,
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Speaker 1: we're texts deleted, we're snaps deleted. We've been trying to
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Speaker 1: figure it out, but we're seeing through a mirror darkly.
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Speaker 1: We don't know, but according to experts, a trail will
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Speaker 1: be left if anything has been deleted, even if you
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Speaker 1: delete it from the deleted file. Now joining us special
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Speaker 1: guests Brandon Tatum. You know him well. He's a former
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Speaker 1: police officer with Tucson PD. That's what impresses me, what
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Speaker 1: impresses a lot of other people is he is the
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Speaker 1: star of the Officer Tatum. Officer Tatum, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us tonight. Questioned to you. You interviewed as
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Speaker 1: we played at the go several of Nolan's friends. Did
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Speaker 1: they show you photos, videos, snaps of that day on
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Speaker 1: Horn Island?
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Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, thank you so much for having me on.
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Speaker 7: I interviewed. I spoke to four of the boys that
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Speaker 7: are originally accused of being involved in Nolan Wells's death,
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Speaker 7: and they did show me a lot of evidence. I
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Speaker 7: want people to be very clear with this. I spent
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Speaker 7: my career putting people in jail. My career is based
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Speaker 7: on getting justice for people who have been done wrong.
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Speaker 7: I've never been a defense attorney, so me going out
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Speaker 7: and doing this was to find out what happened to
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Speaker 7: Nolan wells in talking to these young men, the burden
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Speaker 7: of proof is They're going to have to prove to me.
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Speaker 7: I'm not going to listen to what they say out
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Speaker 7: of their mouth. They're gonna have to show me. And
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Speaker 7: in many cases, they showed me videos of Nolan on
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Speaker 7: the island. They showed me videos of the boat when
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Speaker 7: they were getting hold out, which is consistent with, you know,
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Speaker 7: kind of similar to what the phone call was. I mean,
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Speaker 7: they showed me pictures of them with Nolan, They showed
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Speaker 7: me phone records of them calling Nolan's mom, and all.
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Speaker 2: Of the above.
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Speaker 7: So they seemed very consistent. They seemed very genuine, and
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Speaker 7: they also proved to me some of the things that
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Speaker 7: they had told me in the interview that I had
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Speaker 7: with them that I have uploaded on my YouTube channel.
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Speaker 1: Officer Tatum, are you telling me that they had reception
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Speaker 1: on Horn Island, because many people are saying, well, the
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Speaker 1: reason that there's nothing on Nolan's phone of that day,
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Speaker 1: like there's no pictures, there's no snaps, there's no text,
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Speaker 1: there's no anything, not because it was deleted, but because
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Speaker 1: he didn't have reception. But you're telling me the other
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Speaker 1: boys did have snaps, photos, videos, and reception good nothing.
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Speaker 7: No, Nancy, let me clarify this for you. It wasn't
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Speaker 7: that they uploaded this online. They showed me videos and
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Speaker 7: things that they took from the boat during the outing
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Speaker 7: on fourth of July, I was personally out at Horn Island.
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Speaker 7: I rode out there on a boat and I didn't
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Speaker 7: have great reception there, and I left my phone in
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Speaker 7: the boat when I got into the water and we
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Speaker 7: were actually going out to do interviews.
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Speaker 1: Objection, objection. You've been caught long enough to know you're
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Speaker 1: going to get objections. You said you didn't have great reception,
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Speaker 1: but you did have reception, did you not?
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Speaker 7: No, there was reception there, It just wasn't great, and
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Speaker 7: it wasn't great enough for people, in my opinion, to upload.
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Speaker 7: You could make a phone call potentially, but you wasn't
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Speaker 7: going to upload data to a social media account. Now,
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Speaker 7: could people take the steps to do it if they're
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Speaker 7: dedicated enough, Yes, But it doesn't appear that that would
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Speaker 7: been a frequent would have been a frequent thing, given
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Speaker 7: the fact that you probably had one or two bars
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Speaker 7: out there, and I heard evidence of that. Not only
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Speaker 7: did I see evidence of it when I went out
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Speaker 7: there myself personally with my cell phone. When I listened
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Speaker 7: to the C to call, you could tell that the
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Speaker 7: call dropped out several times. It seemed like they were
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Speaker 7: having trouble at times hearing each other. So it is
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Speaker 7: consistent in anybody that travel out there, that have gone
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Speaker 7: to the Fourth of July celebration, they know that the
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Speaker 7: reception is not very great. So the videos that they
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Speaker 7: showed me and callogues were things that were not associated
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Speaker 7: to social media, that they never posted on social media.
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Speaker 7: It was, you know, pictures and videos that they took
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Speaker 7: on their phone.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me refine my question. I take it from
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Speaker 1: your last answer that the answer is yes you had
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Speaker 1: reception on Horne Island.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I did have reception on horn.
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Speaker 1: We just played that C to call. It's two words
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Speaker 1: se A T O W and it's kind of insurance
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Speaker 1: that people have that are boat goers and if you
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Speaker 1: have a problem, see too, will come and tow you
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Speaker 1: back to the mainland. They said they had a problem,
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Speaker 1: They said they were taking on water. One of your
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Speaker 1: takes is that all the chatter that we're hearing, wake up,
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Speaker 1: no one, wake up, no one, are you dead? No
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Speaker 1: one wake the f up. No one could be referring
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Speaker 1: to the battery, the bills on the boat that it's
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Speaker 1: all unclear regarding the boat being disabled. Apparently it was not.
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Speaker 1: Did the young men explain those travels we just identified.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent they did that.
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Speaker 7: I wish that people on the internet would have had
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Speaker 7: an opportunity and they can go look at the interview
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Speaker 7: that I did with Warren, But they had an opportunity
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Speaker 7: to actually talk to these young men to get this
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Speaker 7: in perspective, because some people have no idea how boats
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Speaker 7: function and how they work. They explained to me. They
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Speaker 7: took me on a boat and showed me exactly where
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Speaker 7: they went, where they docked, where did they stop at,
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Speaker 7: how did they get the bills pumped and the water
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Speaker 7: out of the boat, and all of the above. So
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Speaker 7: they were sinking, they were taking on water. The water
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Speaker 7: came up high enough that the batteries weren't working. They
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Speaker 7: had to get a tow to kind of tow them
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Speaker 7: out where you could see the young ladies saying about
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Speaker 7: three miles out. It's a complicated boat's jargon. But they
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Speaker 7: ended up getting the boat out. They ended up getting
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Speaker 7: it to the point where they could run the boat,
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Speaker 7: run the water out of the boat through a hole
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Speaker 7: in the boat that they ended up plugging.
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Speaker 2: They explained all this.
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Speaker 7: Anybody that does boating know exactly what they're talking about
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Speaker 7: if you hear them explain it on the interview. So
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Speaker 7: they have an explanation for all of these things. And
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Speaker 7: not only that, Nancy, they showed me video of them
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Speaker 7: on the boat, and Nolan was not on the boat.
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Speaker 7: Nolan was not on the boat log And there are
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Speaker 7: people who saw Nolan on the island closer to around
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Speaker 7: six pm, which is far after they left, far after
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Speaker 7: this phone call was made. I saw text messages from
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Speaker 7: the young lady that Nolan was with. The young lady
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Speaker 7: named Katie. I saw her text message. In her text messages,
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Speaker 7: she say that she heard the boys yelling for Nolan
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Speaker 7: to get on the boat.
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Speaker 2: He did not.
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Speaker 7: She said in her text message that she did not
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Speaker 7: see Nolan get on the boat he came on, which
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Speaker 7: was Wide's boat, which is the boat that was sinking,
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Speaker 7: and they ended up leaving on So it wasn't just
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Speaker 7: a statement that they made on a podcast. They were
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Speaker 7: actually showing me evidence to the contrary of what the
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Speaker 7: mainstream YouTubers and some media outlets are putting out today
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Speaker 7: to people at large, and so I wish that people
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Speaker 7: would go watch the interview or at least take some
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Speaker 7: time to listen to these boys statements. And I'll say
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Speaker 7: this Nancy too. I wish that the family would have
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Speaker 7: taken the time, or at least Benjamin Crump would have
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Speaker 7: taken the time to reach out to the lawyers or
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Speaker 7: reach out to these young boys to get their statements,
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Speaker 7: so they're not wasting their time sending everybody on a
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Speaker 7: rabbit trail when they could have just talked to these boys.
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Speaker 7: And they could have, but they refused because I saw
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Speaker 7: a message from.
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Speaker 2: Warren where he called Nolan's mom twice.
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Speaker 7: I've seen messages from Nolan Warren's stepmother, Ashley, where she
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Speaker 7: sent nolan mom a text saying, please reach out to
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Speaker 7: me whenever you're ready.
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Speaker 2: I would like to talk.
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Speaker 7: Other parents, I saw messages from who reached out to
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Speaker 7: Nolan's mom saying we need to talk. Can we talk?
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Speaker 7: I'm available if you need to talk to us. I
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Speaker 7: do not understand at this point why Benjamin Crump would
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Speaker 7: go out and put misinformation out online when he had
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Speaker 7: the availability to talk to these kids and clear these
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Speaker 7: things up like I did before he presented this to
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Speaker 7: the public. We also reached out to Benjamin Krump four times,
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Speaker 7: and on the fifth time they come back and tell
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Speaker 7: us that the.
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Speaker 2: Family is not doing interviews.
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Speaker 7: We didn't ask to talk to the family, to talk
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Speaker 7: to the attorney, Benjamin Crump. Why so we can come
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Speaker 7: together as a community and solve what happened to Nolan Wells,
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Speaker 7: not create in Stoke division, which is what I've seen
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Speaker 7: from toata Benjamin.
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Speaker 1: Because exactly what we're trying to do. And I hear
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Speaker 1: everything you're saying, and you know, I think like a prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: My main goal is to find the truth of what
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Speaker 1: happened to Nolan Wells. And one thing I cannot get
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Speaker 1: away from is the medical examiner. I'm trying to get
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Speaker 1: to tonight's news, which I'm going to get to, but oh,
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Speaker 1: you're seeing video from WLOX Joe Scott Morgan very quickly
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Speaker 1: before I can get into why the family believes they
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Speaker 1: need subpoenas to social media giants to get the truth
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Speaker 1: about what happened to Nolan's phone. Anybody can say anything
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Speaker 1: after the fact. Those boys may be innocent, they can
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Speaker 1: look like Choir Boy's angels now. But I still don't
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Speaker 1: know what happened on that boat, and I still see conflicts.
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Speaker 1: Can they be reconciled? I hope so. But until they are,
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Speaker 1: we're on it. This is what I can't get away
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Speaker 1: from control room. Please show Joseph Scott Morgan the autopsy
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Speaker 1: diagram of the victim's occipital bone. Okay, I don't care
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Speaker 1: what anybody says. I do not care if an archangel
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Speaker 1: lands on this anchor desk, if he lies to me,
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Speaker 1: I'm using handcuffs for his wrists and a rope for
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Speaker 1: his wings. You hear me, Look at that again. Put
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Speaker 1: it back up. He has deep reddening subcutaneously on the
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Speaker 1: back of his head, nowhere else. It's not on his
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Speaker 1: neck the back of his neck anyway. Don't see it
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Speaker 1: on the back. Don't see it anywhere else on the body.
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Speaker 1: So I really don't want to hear a lame explanation
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Speaker 1: that it's lividity of the blood sinking to the back
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Speaker 1: of the body. Number one, the body was on its face.
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Speaker 1: But that said, they kept the neck and the lungs
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Speaker 1: lung to see if he drowned neck, why would they
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Speaker 1: keep his neck. I can't get away from this, Joe
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Speaker 1: Skutt Morgan, and I don't care how angelic the friends appear,
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Speaker 1: and they may be angels, I don't know that yet.
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Speaker 1: You can't get away from this, Morgan.
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Speaker 6: No, you can't. And we can't get away from it
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Speaker 6: until the investigation is concluded on the part of the
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Speaker 6: State and Medical Examiner's Office and the authorities and in Mississippi.
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Speaker 6: And I can promise you this. You know, as day
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Speaker 6: is long, they're not going to release this information because
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Speaker 6: it's an ongoing investigation. I know everybody wants it.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 6: What we do have is a second view. We've got
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Speaker 6: a second set of eyes on this from a highly
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Speaker 6: accomplished forensic pathologist, I might add, former Chief Medical Examiner
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Speaker 6: for DC. And he went over Nolan's body very, very thoroughly,
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Speaker 6: and he, in his statements relative to this area, states
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Speaker 6: that he cannot make heads or tails of it at
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Speaker 6: this point in time because it's compromised this area I'm
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Speaker 6: referring to in the excipital area of the head, because
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Speaker 6: it has been compromised through decomposition. Now, he did a
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Speaker 6: multi layer dissection, and what that means is layer by
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Speaker 6: layer the skin SubQ fat down through the muscle, which
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Speaker 6: had not previously been done in this manner. According to him,
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Speaker 6: I don't even know if it's annotated in the State
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Speaker 6: and Medical Examiner's report because it hasn't been released yet.
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Speaker 6: They're still waiting. It's pending multiple things. How many times
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Speaker 6: have we heard this over the years. They're doing their
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Speaker 6: own histological studies, which means the tissue samples. And also
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Speaker 6: the big part to this, Nancy is going to be
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Speaker 6: the tox College, and we know that that takes some time,
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Speaker 6: and it's not just going to be about alcohol, it's
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Speaker 6: going to be everything in the spectrum.
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Speaker 1: Back to Officer Tatum, star of the Officer Tatum on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: Have the friends taken polygraphs?
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Speaker 7: Well, from my understanding, all but I believe one took
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Speaker 7: a polygraph, and from what was told to me that
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Speaker 7: they all passed, and all of the ones that took
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Speaker 7: a polygraph took one without a lawyer and so, and
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Speaker 7: they cooperated.
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Speaker 2: With law enforcement.
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Speaker 7: So from my understanding, everybody took a polygraph.
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Speaker 1: That's so much understand. Did they tell you they took
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Speaker 1: a polyme path?
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Speaker 7: They told yes, ma'am. They told me that they did it.
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Speaker 7: I wasn't there, so that's why I'm saying from my understanding,
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Speaker 7: they told me that all the boys except one, which
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Speaker 7: is Warren, I believe, took a polygraph test. All of
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Speaker 7: them did not have lawyers and did it and cooperated
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Speaker 7: with police. Warren also cooperated police. I just believe he
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Speaker 7: didn't take a lot of tech the tests. But Warren
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Speaker 7: is the young man that I interviewed. So according to
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Speaker 7: what they told me, they all took a lot of
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Speaker 7: tech tests and passed. And it's an equivalent of a
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Speaker 7: lot of tech tests. It's not a traditional lot of
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Speaker 7: tech tests, but it's the same theology of trying to
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Speaker 7: get to if a person is lying. I don't know
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Speaker 7: the name of it. It's an equivalent of a lot
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Speaker 7: of technicals. It's a different methodology. Yeah, I don't believe
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Speaker 7: it was a polygraph test. I believe they took other
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Speaker 7: stressors in order to analyze it.
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Speaker 1: Did they take a polygraph would be.
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Speaker 7: No, Well, yeah, I think it could be semantics because
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Speaker 7: they took a test to analyze whether or not they
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Speaker 7: were being truthful in their statements, and that certified test
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Speaker 7: they passed it. It just wasn't considered a traditional photograph.
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Speaker 7: I think it's a more advanced way of doing it.
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Speaker 1: Old On in a nut shall a nut shall a nutshell,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. There is a difference between a polygraph, which
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Speaker 1: measures all sorts of body signals you're sweat, you're breathing,
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Speaker 1: your heart, your blood pressure, all sorts of things, and
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Speaker 1: an audio an audio verification test. Big difference.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 6: So the audio is you're looking for stressors in the voice,
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Speaker 6: and these people are highly trained that do this, and
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Speaker 6: I'm you know, look, you know, you know how the
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Speaker 6: courts feel about these tests. Are they admissible or not?
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Speaker 6: But I think that going to Brandon's point, the fact
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Speaker 6: that they have taken these, at least those named allegedly
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Speaker 6: have taken these, according to him, I think that that's significant. Now,
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Speaker 6: whether or not that this is going to be usable
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Speaker 6: a usable investigative tool is hard to measure.
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Speaker 1: I didn't ask if it's going to be used in court.
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Speaker 1: That's a whole other animal. Will burn that bridge when
20:57
Speaker 1: we get there. Okay, there may never even be a case. First,
21:01
Speaker 1: I gotta find out what happened to no one, Okay,
21:04
Speaker 1: So let's not put the cart before the horse. You've
21:06
Speaker 1: got eye detections tests. I don't put any stock in
21:11
Speaker 1: that as to whether somebody's lying. You've got nonverbal communication
21:15
Speaker 1: experts claiming they can tell, you've got brain wave analysis,
21:18
Speaker 1: You've got all sorts of things. I want to Polly.
21:21
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they did anything or they didn't do anything.
21:24
Speaker 1: Go strap up, take me a poll. Officer Tatum Star
21:29
Speaker 1: of the Officer Tatum on YouTube. I've been told, but
21:34
Speaker 1: I can't verify that the boat in question has been
21:38
Speaker 1: searched by scent dogs and cadaver dogs. Is that true.
21:43
Speaker 7: I'm not familiar if that's true. Let me just clarify.
21:45
Speaker 7: The test that they took was a voice stress analysis
21:48
Speaker 7: test instead of what we call a traditional polygraph test.
21:52
Speaker 7: But I'm not familiar with the daver dog searching the boat.
21:56
Speaker 7: I wasn't informed that that was the case. But I
21:58
Speaker 7: was told by the boys that they did not wash
22:01
Speaker 7: the boat off or do any of those things that
22:03
Speaker 7: they were accused of doing, you know, after this incident, right,
22:07
Speaker 7: And I say, based on all the things that I've heard,
22:09
Speaker 7: it appears that they've been very truthful with me and
22:12
Speaker 7: law enforcement. They've already communicated with law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: Very early on Okay, Officer Tatum, coming from you, I
22:21
Speaker 1: do give that credence because you were a Tucson PD.
22:25
Speaker 1: I've had people sit down, look me right in the
22:27
Speaker 1: face and lie and they are so convincing. So I
22:31
Speaker 1: don't know who's telling the truth. I don't know what happened,
22:36
Speaker 1: and that's why I really resent people suggesting the investigation
22:40
Speaker 1: be sut shut down. We're not doing that until we
22:43
Speaker 1: know what happened. Officer Tatum interviewed multiple of the young
22:49
Speaker 1: men on that boat. Now, let me address what's happened
22:54
Speaker 1: in the last hours. The family is not buying what
23:00
Speaker 1: they are saying that nothing was deleted. They're not saying
23:04
Speaker 1: they're lying. They're not saying they're telling the truth. They
23:07
Speaker 1: have hit social media giants with subpoenas once and for
23:11
Speaker 1: all to get everything there is to get about Nolan Wells'
23:17
Speaker 1: digital Okay, straight out to doctor Jim Jones, joining us
23:21
Speaker 1: out of Virginia Jones, doctor Jones, Cybersecurity, digital forensics expert,
23:28
Speaker 1: Digital Forensics program Director, Associate Professor George Mason University. Okay,
23:35
Speaker 1: can't argue with that. Okay, doctor Jones, what will the
23:42
Speaker 1: evidence reveal? Let's just start on Nolan Wills's cell phone.
23:49
Speaker 1: Let's start with Snap Snapchat.
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Speaker 9: Sure, so on his cell phone, any images taken for
23:56
Speaker 9: whatever app are going to be stored locally, at least
23:59
Speaker 9: temper rarely, so Snap is one of those apps that
24:02
Speaker 9: deletes the picture afterwards. The key here is that when
24:06
Speaker 9: digital files are deleted, the data does not immediately go away,
24:11
Speaker 9: So the data is left intact at least for fractions
24:14
Speaker 9: of a second, sometimes ours, days, weeks. So what they'll find,
24:19
Speaker 9: assuming that they have access to the unencrypted data on
24:22
Speaker 9: the phone, is they will find bits and pieces of
24:25
Speaker 9: old text, messages, videos, pictures taken and that might reveal
24:30
Speaker 9: something that they can timestamp to the event in question.
24:35
Speaker 9: Yet the picture is not still in the active files
24:38
Speaker 9: that would suggest a deletion.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on just a moment. Let me see Jones.
24:43
Speaker 1: Doctor Jones, I'm just a trial lawyer. I need you
24:47
Speaker 1: to explain carefully what you just said. Let me ask
24:50
Speaker 1: you some pointed questions. Snap is different, very different. Hold on, doctor,
24:58
Speaker 1: Let me go to t Tanya Jordan, chief parent officer
25:02
Speaker 1: at Bark Parental Controls, author of Parenting in a Tech World.
25:07
Speaker 1: Snap as a whole another can of worms. The other night, example,
25:12
Speaker 1: my son and I John David, we both love Kung Fu,
25:16
Speaker 1: were watching The Ultimate hip Man and I fell asleep.
25:22
Speaker 1: It's two o'clock in the morning. I woke up and
25:26
Speaker 1: I looked at him. He's furiously on his phone, and
25:28
Speaker 1: of course that raised a red flag. Why is your
25:30
Speaker 1: son on the phone at two am? I said, son,
25:33
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And he said, I'm responding to
25:36
Speaker 1: a snap. I'm like, let me see who's snapping you
25:39
Speaker 1: at two o'clock in the morning. It's some freaky dude
25:42
Speaker 1: in his underwear on the other side of the world.
25:45
Speaker 1: He went gross number one and he said, they disappear, okay, Snap?
25:52
Speaker 1: What is it?
25:55
Speaker 10: Snap is an app that was developed to send disappearing
25:58
Speaker 10: nudes many many years ago. Go so it's wild and
26:01
Speaker 10: today now flock to that app and parents allow it.
26:06
Speaker 10: Myself included, I regret letting my son have that app.
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Speaker 10: So now fast forward. Today, children think that this media
26:14
Speaker 10: disappears because that's the user interface presented to them, But
26:17
Speaker 10: the media does not disappear. Children sitting on either side
26:21
Speaker 10: of them can take a picture with their phone, and
26:24
Speaker 10: that data lives on snap servers. Because as we know,
26:28
Speaker 10: law enforcement has had a heck of a time subpoenaing
26:31
Speaker 10: them and getting access to it.
26:33
Speaker 1: Okay, that's gibberish. So does a Snap disappear?
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Speaker 10: A Snap appears to disappear to a user. So if
26:46
Speaker 10: I send a Snap, and let's say, Nancy, you send
26:51
Speaker 10: me a Snap, when I open it up, it disappears
26:55
Speaker 10: from my view. But that media, that photo, that video
26:58
Speaker 10: that you sent me, it is a little live in
27:02
Speaker 10: Snap's ownership.
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Speaker 1: Okay. So what that means to me as a trial
27:06
Speaker 1: lawyer is I can subpoena and I can see it. Yes, Okay,
27:11
Speaker 1: that made perfect sense. Now I get it. So my
27:13
Speaker 1: son is telling the truth that it disappeared, yes, to him,
27:18
Speaker 1: to him, but not to Snap. Okay, all right, what
27:23
Speaker 1: about what's app that doesn't disappear?
27:28
Speaker 10: Correct, WhatsApp does not disappear. But WhatsApp is also purported
27:33
Speaker 10: to be encrypted. So Meta moved in a very big
27:39
Speaker 10: disappointment to anybody who cares about child safety to make
27:44
Speaker 10: WhatsApp end to end encrypted. So good luck to law
27:48
Speaker 10: enforcement trying to get anything that happened on that app.
27:50
Speaker 1: To doctor Jim Jones, Digital forensics expert Associate Professor George
27:54
Speaker 1: Mason University program director on and on doctor Jones, I,
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Speaker 1: like Nolan's mother, find it very unusual that Nolan for
28:05
Speaker 1: a period of hours there's nothing. He is a prolific snapper, Insta,
28:12
Speaker 1: you name it. There's nothing there. I got a problem
28:15
Speaker 1: number one of him separating himself from the phone. But
28:19
Speaker 1: no teen does that. Nobody does that. But if he's
28:22
Speaker 1: out in the water, he may leave it on the
28:24
Speaker 1: boat so it doesn't get damaged. But I find it
28:27
Speaker 1: hard to believe that he left the boat, leave with
28:30
Speaker 1: it and his keys, and that he wasn't taking pictures
28:34
Speaker 1: and on the boat on the way out there, where's
28:37
Speaker 1: all that. That's human behavior, which is not your forte.
28:42
Speaker 1: But doctor Jones, explain to me what these subpoenas mean,
28:48
Speaker 1: Doctor Jones. From what we're learning in the last twenty
28:51
Speaker 1: four hours, Nolan's family demands all IP addresses associated with
28:56
Speaker 1: his accounts, all communications, chats, posts, stories. You can explain later, Tutonia,
29:03
Speaker 1: what is a story? And all other information. The phone
29:08
Speaker 1: is critical because there's nothing on it for the critical hours.
29:15
Speaker 1: Subpoena is issued in the last hours to Snapchat, WhatsApp, TikTok, Meta,
29:21
Speaker 1: all meta platforms and all location tracking platforms including Life
29:28
Speaker 1: three sixty. Okay, doctor, what does it mean?
29:33
Speaker 9: So what they're trying to do is find everything that
29:36
Speaker 9: was pushed up to the servers, and as touch On
29:38
Speaker 9: and pointed out, some of this content is encrypted as
29:41
Speaker 9: it goes through the servers, so they won't be able
29:43
Speaker 9: to see the content on the server, but they'll have
29:46
Speaker 9: a record that an image or a video or a
29:48
Speaker 9: message came through. So what I would be looking at
29:51
Speaker 9: is I would compare what the providers the servers show
29:55
Speaker 9: to what's on the phone, and if I find a discrepancy,
29:59
Speaker 9: that would s suggest that something has been deleted from
30:02
Speaker 9: the phone. So anybody that had access to the phone
30:05
Speaker 9: could easily delete something on the phone, much harder to
30:09
Speaker 9: delete what's being held on the servers from the phone.
30:12
Speaker 4: I assume his phone had a password. There are certain
30:15
Speaker 4: things that you need the password to do, such as
30:17
Speaker 4: delete activity. But if you don't have a password and
30:20
Speaker 4: you pick up your phone, if you're touching the screen,
30:23
Speaker 4: that leaves a trace. If you're trying to power it off,
30:26
Speaker 4: that leaves a trace. So we should be able to
30:28
Speaker 4: see people without a password trying to actively interact with
30:32
Speaker 4: that phone as well. As someone that has it, so
30:34
Speaker 4: we would do a forensic acquisition, and that's really important here.
30:37
Speaker 4: Someone just looking in the phone, you can get a glimpse,
30:40
Speaker 4: but you can't see what's deleted and hiding below the surface.
30:43
Speaker 4: We need a forensic acquisition to do that. We can
30:46
Speaker 4: tell if it was just soft deleted, so like sitting
30:49
Speaker 4: in a trash can or a hard delete. So if
30:51
Speaker 4: you empty your trash on your phone and then you
30:53
Speaker 4: go and throw it into a dumpster and the trash
30:56
Speaker 4: is taken away, there is a log that tracks everything
31:00
Speaker 4: also with time stams on when that activity occurred.
31:02
Speaker 1: Digital expert Heather Barnhardt, Okay, is a subpoena, doctor Jones?
31:08
Speaker 1: Doctor Jim Jones, is a subpoena the equivalent of an acquisition,
31:15
Speaker 1: a forensics digital acquisition.
31:17
Speaker 9: Yeah, good question, No, very different. So the subpoena is
31:20
Speaker 9: going to the providers, the companies that provide these services,
31:23
Speaker 9: and it says, hey, what is on your servers. The
31:27
Speaker 9: physical acquisition is going to get a copy of the
31:31
Speaker 9: raw data stored on the phone. And to Heather's point,
31:35
Speaker 9: what you see through the interface is only a small
31:38
Speaker 9: fraction of what's actually stored on the device. It's a
31:40
Speaker 9: very busy place and things are being replaced and removed
31:43
Speaker 9: all the time. The physical acquisition will take a snapshot
31:47
Speaker 9: in time of anything that's left, in particular the fragments.
31:51
Speaker 9: She also made a very good point about the logs phones.
31:55
Speaker 9: Modern smartphones keep very detailed logs. It's not the picture,
32:00
Speaker 9: but it will tell you that someone deleted a picture,
32:02
Speaker 9: and you may even have a timestamp or other metadata
32:05
Speaker 9: that would help you know something about that content, even
32:08
Speaker 9: if you can't see the content anymore.
32:10
Speaker 1: So, doctor Jim Jones, if I delete something, let's just
32:16
Speaker 1: pretend it's a text. We delete a text, then you
32:19
Speaker 1: go the deleted file and delete it. From the deleted file.
32:23
Speaker 1: We can't see it, but there is a record of that,
32:28
Speaker 1: and it is very likely revivable, Yes.
32:34
Speaker 9: To the record.
32:35
Speaker 2: For sure.
32:35
Speaker 9: There is a record of that action happening. Rev revivability
32:39
Speaker 9: depends on how long it's been since it was deleted
32:42
Speaker 9: and what else the phone has been doing. So it's
32:44
Speaker 9: a very unpredictable process. Think of it as something that
32:47
Speaker 9: decays over time. Sometimes that decay is very rapid, sometimes it's.
32:51
Speaker 1: Slow, and we know there's a difference in retrieval time
32:56
Speaker 1: on an iPhone versus an android. It's a very delicate process.
33:01
Speaker 1: John Mobley, veteran try a lawyer of South Carolina. What
33:05
Speaker 1: is it? No one's mother wants from social media giants.
33:12
Speaker 11: Everything that's whether they want. And I've been saying this
33:15
Speaker 11: from the beginning. These are the types of things that
33:17
Speaker 11: should have been doing from the beginning. Not press conferences,
33:21
Speaker 11: not grandstanding, not the all show or no go, but
33:24
Speaker 11: getting the actual data from the phone so they can
33:27
Speaker 11: get real answers, to put all the information regarding what
33:31
Speaker 11: happened in context. They will know if anything was posted,
33:34
Speaker 11: if anything was deleted, just communicating with someone. This is
33:38
Speaker 11: the real work that needs to be done. This is
33:41
Speaker 11: how we all get intwered.
33:45
Speaker 1: Back to you, doctor Jim Jones. Will these records reveal
33:51
Speaker 1: whether Nolan Wells had reception on Horn Island or on
33:57
Speaker 1: the way there?
33:59
Speaker 9: They could, based on timestamps of things that got pushed
34:02
Speaker 9: to the server, that would say he did have service.
34:06
Speaker 9: The absence of those records doesn't say that he didn't
34:09
Speaker 9: have surface service. However, the soap phone provider, through the
34:13
Speaker 9: tower records could show that because every time a cell
34:16
Speaker 9: phone talks to a tower, record is created.
34:19
Speaker 1: Excellent the Ping the Ping trail. Okay, back to Officer Tatum,
34:26
Speaker 1: star of the Officer Tatum on YouTube. Did the young
34:30
Speaker 1: men you interviewed, I believe it was four of them
34:33
Speaker 1: state that no one did not have reception or did
34:39
Speaker 1: they explain why there are no pictures, texts, instance, nothing
34:44
Speaker 1: on his phone. Did they have an explanation for that?
34:49
Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am.
34:49
Speaker 7: They didn't mention anything about whether Nolan has service or not,
34:53
Speaker 7: but they articulated the reason why Nolan may not have,
34:57
Speaker 7: you know, certain pictures on his phone. And they had
34:59
Speaker 7: mentioned because Nolan's the night at their house the night before,
35:02
Speaker 7: because it's traditional for the last several last few years
35:05
Speaker 7: that they actually went to Horn Island together. But they
35:08
Speaker 7: were saying that they had taken pictures at the house.
35:10
Speaker 7: Some of the pictures that you've seen flowed around online
35:12
Speaker 7: were pictures that they.
35:13
Speaker 2: Took on the boat.
35:14
Speaker 7: But they didn't take those pictures when they got out,
35:17
Speaker 7: you know, out there to to Horn Island because they
35:20
Speaker 7: were having fun. And I would argue that they were drinking,
35:24
Speaker 7: and I don't I couldn't imagine that they want to
35:26
Speaker 7: get under age drinking on camera. So what they had
35:30
Speaker 7: articulated to me that it wasn't abnormal for people not
35:32
Speaker 7: to snap and not to do a lot of pictures
35:35
Speaker 7: and things like that, because they were focused on the.
35:39
Speaker 1: Videos.
35:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not taploaded videos.
35:43
Speaker 7: No, no, no, that's not it's not a lot of
35:45
Speaker 7: pictures and they weren't uploaded. So when you're talking about Snapchat,
35:49
Speaker 7: you're talking about a platform where people are uploading images
35:52
Speaker 7: and pictures to produce to the world. What they showed
35:55
Speaker 7: me were things that they had recorded on their phone,
35:57
Speaker 7: and it wasn't a lot of different things, because more
36:00
Speaker 7: of what they did was drinking and having fun in
36:02
Speaker 7: the water and so. But what they had articulated to
36:05
Speaker 7: me as well is that it's not abnormal for people
36:08
Speaker 7: not to snap. It's not abnormal for you not to
36:11
Speaker 7: have your phone, and Nolan wasn't the only person that
36:13
Speaker 7: left his phone on the boat. They also mentioned to me,
36:16
Speaker 7: and you could see it in an interview that they
36:18
Speaker 7: did was that they had no reason to touch Nolan's phone.
36:21
Speaker 7: They weren't thinking about Nolan's phone when they thought the
36:23
Speaker 7: boat was sinking, and when they got to the house,
36:26
Speaker 7: it was no incident. When it comes to Nolan getting
36:30
Speaker 7: the phone back to the friend and parent.
36:35
Speaker 1: You're going far afield from my question. Let me redirect
36:38
Speaker 1: you back to their phones. Nolan has nothing on his phone.
36:45
Speaker 1: They just have pictures and videos on their phones. You
36:48
Speaker 1: told me that they exist, whether they posted them or not.
36:52
Speaker 1: So they were taking pictures in videos. Don't you see
36:57
Speaker 1: why the mom, Nolan's mom is concerned there's nothing on
37:01
Speaker 1: her son's phone.
37:03
Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, it's very it's unclear exactly what the mother
37:08
Speaker 7: is articulating because at one point she's concerned that there's
37:13
Speaker 7: not a lot of snapchats or social media posting. She
37:16
Speaker 7: did not articulate or the Benjamin Crumb did not mention
37:20
Speaker 7: that there's nothing on his phone. So they're not saying
37:23
Speaker 7: that the phone was white and there's no images or anything.
37:26
Speaker 7: She was concerned about his social media frequency, which I
37:29
Speaker 7: believe after talking to the boys, it was consistent with
37:32
Speaker 7: what they said, and it was consistent with with you know,
37:35
Speaker 7: basic deductive reasoning that maybe he didn't post a lot
37:39
Speaker 7: on that day. So what remains a focus for me,
37:43
Speaker 7: And if I was investigating this, I would want to
37:47
Speaker 7: know not.
37:47
Speaker 1: Talking about officer no what I'm saying that anything.
37:55
Speaker 7: That's what the mom is saying, but we haven't had
37:58
Speaker 7: an opportunity to eat the see or hear exactly what
38:01
Speaker 7: she's trying to articulate. Some of the things that she
38:04
Speaker 7: said in the media is that she's talking about posting.
38:07
Speaker 7: I don't believe she said that there was nothing at
38:10
Speaker 7: all on his phone, no pictures, know nothing, but I
38:13
Speaker 7: wasn't able to verify that. So if I was able
38:16
Speaker 7: to see Nolan's phone and the mother was able to
38:18
Speaker 7: show me exactly what she's articulating, I'll be able to
38:20
Speaker 7: have a better perspective in comparison to what Warren and
38:23
Speaker 7: the other boys were telling me. So at this point
38:25
Speaker 7: I only have one side of it, and then I
38:27
Speaker 7: have a fractured perception from what the media or what
38:32
Speaker 7: the mother is saying in the media. So when the
38:35
Speaker 7: police officers look at his phone and they do a
38:36
Speaker 7: forensic distraction, if they're allowed to do that, they will
38:40
Speaker 7: see plainly if Nolan was on his phone, if he
38:44
Speaker 7: had taken pictures, and if they were deleted. Now I'll
38:46
Speaker 7: implement this as we begin to try to guess and
38:50
Speaker 7: figure out.
38:50
Speaker 2: What was happening on that day.
38:53
Speaker 7: It doesn't seem to be reasonable to suggest that the
38:56
Speaker 7: boys were in his phone deleting things. Now, after hanging
39:00
Speaker 7: out with the boys and getting to know them, well,
39:02
Speaker 7: they're very intelligent young men, very savvy, and they.
39:05
Speaker 2: Were raised well.
39:06
Speaker 7: I would project if I were to make an assumption
39:09
Speaker 7: that if they were trying to cover up something that
39:13
Speaker 7: happened to Noland, I would perceive that they would throw
39:16
Speaker 7: the phone in the water or something where it never
39:18
Speaker 7: would be recovered, or if they had access to get
39:21
Speaker 7: into the phone, they wouldn't just delete, they would just
39:23
Speaker 7: completely rewrite the phone, or you know, do a hard reset,
39:27
Speaker 7: or they wouldn't give the phone back to Mama or
39:30
Speaker 7: the family anyway. So with those factors put in place
39:33
Speaker 7: and what I've talked to them about, it seems as
39:35
Speaker 7: if their story seems consistent to me that they did
39:38
Speaker 7: not get in the phone, they did not know his password,
39:41
Speaker 7: they had no reason to believe that there was a
39:44
Speaker 7: necessity of getting the phone, and they gave.
39:46
Speaker 1: It over to saying you're wrong. I'm saying I'm not
39:49
Speaker 1: taking anybody's word for anything until I investigated and corroborate it.
39:55
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I will find out. And you
39:58
Speaker 1: said I don't know what she said exactly, Well, here's
40:02
Speaker 1: what Nolan's mother said.
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Speaker 5: When we opened it up, there was nothing. There were
40:08
Speaker 5: no saved pictures, there were no snaps from that day,
40:14
Speaker 5: and we did open it before the twenty four hour expiration.
40:19
Speaker 5: So we found that very concerning, only because anyone who's
40:26
Speaker 5: ever been around Nolan will tell you at social gatherings
40:30
Speaker 5: he's taking videos, he's taking pictures. He's even come up
40:35
Speaker 5: to me when I'm getting ready to go to bed, Hey, ma,
40:37
Speaker 5: come on take a picture of me, you know, like
40:40
Speaker 5: he's just.
40:41
Speaker 1: That's that was Nolan.
40:44
Speaker 5: So that's why we feel that things may have been
40:48
Speaker 5: deleted was because the fact that there was nothing in
40:52
Speaker 5: either one of his accounts.
40:54
Speaker 1: Okay to Tanya Jordan Bark, Parental Control office and author,
41:02
Speaker 1: do you understand what she just said? I do explain it.
41:07
Speaker 10: Absolutely. When a child dies every second, every hour, every
41:12
Speaker 10: day matters. Families and investigators need timely access to lawfully
41:16
Speaker 10: requested evidence so they can find answers and hold the
41:19
Speaker 10: right people accountable. And Snapchat claims to respond to most
41:24
Speaker 10: legal requests in two to three weeks, but critics say
41:27
Speaker 10: some investigations have taken months, which delays justice. Meta to
41:33
Speaker 10: Gram right there aren't many kids on Facebook these days.
41:36
Speaker 10: There's no public average for subpoena response times, but it varies.
41:42
Speaker 10: It varies, and investigators have criticized delays in some really
41:46
Speaker 10: high profile child safety and teen death cases. WhatsApp we
41:49
Speaker 10: talked about that earlier. Even with a warrant, Meta generally
41:54
Speaker 10: cannot read or produce message content because it doesn't have it.
41:58
Speaker 10: That's what we were talking about, the challenges encryption. It's
42:02
Speaker 10: not a response time thing, it's the encryption. So I
42:06
Speaker 10: don't know if I answered your question, but I just
42:08
Speaker 10: felt it was really important to be very clear about
42:10
Speaker 10: what we need for justice and what social media companies
42:14
Speaker 10: are not providing in a timely manner.
42:17
Speaker 1: You're very clear. I want Tatum to be right. I
42:24
Speaker 1: want this to be easily explainable when we know all
42:30
Speaker 1: the facts, but we will not stop until we know
42:37
Speaker 1: the facts. If you know or think you know anything
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