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Credlin | 10 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Predo Quedlin Live from You twenty four.
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Speaker 2: Good evening. Great to have your company. Parliament back this week.
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Speaker 2: A whole lot on is what's coming up tonight on Credline.
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Speaker 2: The latest polling's got Labor at its lowest point since
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Speaker 2: Julia Gillard was dumb for Kevin Rudmark two. Alban Easy
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Speaker 2: wants the working class heroes now anything but as one
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Speaker 2: nation continues to steal support from Labor, a new lobby
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Speaker 2: group's being formed. It's called Fix Victoria and they venture
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Speaker 2: the campaign race. And they arrived with a bang, launching
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Speaker 2: a graphic new ad aimed at exposing Victoria's debt crisis. Well,
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Speaker 2: toe you who they are. I'll introduce you to them
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Speaker 2: and play you the ad a little later tonight, Plus
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Speaker 2: Census Week, the Big Night tomorrow and Art of course.
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Speaker 2: Plenty of controversy still around questions of faith and what
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Speaker 2: appears to be a concerted push to strength and claims
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Speaker 2: that Australia is giving up on religion and Anthony Alban
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Speaker 2: Easy back in damaged control yet again over a woman,
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Speaker 2: yet again, this time the Japanese ambassador warning him that
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Speaker 2: his crude joke has damaged his standing in.
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Speaker 3: Japan comments were beneath the office of Prime Minister. They
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Speaker 3: were insulting and the Prime Minister should make a personal apology.
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Speaker 2: As I said. The politicians are back in Canberra today,
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Speaker 2: Parliament of course resuming tomorrow, making it an uncomfortable return
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Speaker 2: for many. For Labor, it's yet another bad news poll
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Speaker 2: in a horror stretch of bad polls starting back before
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Speaker 2: the May budget. Sure, but really tanking since those tax
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Speaker 2: changes were announced, which cent Australia's property market into free fall,
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Speaker 2: auction clearance rates, house value falls, banks reporting a massive
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Speaker 2: drop off in mortgage applications. Whatever measure you want to
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Speaker 2: look at, it's catastrophic. With Labour's primary vote now at
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Speaker 2: an incredibly low twenty nine percent, you have to go
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Speaker 2: back to the dog days of the Gillard era to
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Speaker 2: find a result that bad. Across almost every portfolio. Ministerial
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Speaker 2: performance for the Albanesi government is subpar. Across almost every
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Speaker 2: economic indicator, performance for the Albanesi government is subpar, including
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Speaker 2: confirmation that but for one other country, Australia is the
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Speaker 2: worst in the OCD for business taxation. We all know
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Speaker 2: that personal and tax two is way too high, but
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Speaker 2: beyond the real world impacts on all of us as
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Speaker 2: a result of bad policy out of Canberra. Is the
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Speaker 2: intangible stuff very deep in these numbers. By that, I
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Speaker 2: mean it's that in addition to the metrics that tell
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Speaker 2: you whether government's doing a good or a bad job
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Speaker 2: on things like GDP or employment data or inflation, it's
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Speaker 2: where the governments are trusted on the intangibles like credibility,
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Speaker 2: like competence and character. And this is where the prime
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Speaker 2: minister is Minister after minister with barely an exception, are
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Speaker 2: hurting most. This is a government that should be unassailable
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Speaker 2: in the polls, having just won another term twelve months
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Speaker 2: ago and a record parliamentary majority, it should be untouchable,
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Speaker 2: but it's not. Indeed, but for the splintering of the
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Speaker 2: vote on the right, the big story right now would
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Speaker 2: be that the Albanezer government is in trouble. That voter
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Speaker 2: remorse is now deep, its consistent poll after poll, and
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Speaker 2: it is worstening. But because the rights no longer a
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Speaker 2: coesive block of votes behind the official opposition, inevitably the
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Speaker 2: right becomes the story now, particularly the coalition. Partly that's
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Speaker 2: because frankly, they deserve to be the story. A decade
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Speaker 2: of week Liberal leadership has left a shaken base. And
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Speaker 2: while Angus Taylor is certainly saying all the right things
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Speaker 2: and sure tougher than every one of his predecessors on
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Speaker 2: from Turnbull, there is just not enough meat on the
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Speaker 2: policy bones to make the coalition competitive. Take migration. The
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Speaker 2: Liberals talk tough, but they still haven't given us a number. Now.
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Speaker 2: Four months ago, Home Affairs Shadow Minister John o'donnham said
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Speaker 2: he was quitting the parliament, but still no reshuffle to
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Speaker 2: replace him and boost the firepower in one of the
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Speaker 2: most critical portfolios this parliamentary term. Labour's bleeding on migration.
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke was supposed to make those big announcements last week,
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Speaker 2: but he was rolled in cabinet. We were then told
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Speaker 2: they would come this week. Well apparently that's not happening either,
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Speaker 2: as division is mounting its next week now we're told
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Speaker 2: so when your opponents in trouble, this is where oppositions
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Speaker 2: are supposed to lift. This is where the Coalition should
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Speaker 2: be well in front and playing to a home ground
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Speaker 2: advantage given as decades long record on border protection. But
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Speaker 2: sadly that's not happening. Plenty of tough talk. As I said,
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Speaker 2: plenty of retric but nowhere near enough concrete detail would
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Speaker 2: cut through. And that's the problem. Policy limbo is what
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Speaker 2: killed Peter Dutton. Policy ambiguity is what killed Susan Lee.
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Speaker 2: Unless Taylor and Hume act fast and sort out the
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Speaker 2: process constipation inside shadow Cabinet and the whole policy process,
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Speaker 2: it will kill them too. Again. Between when he was
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Speaker 2: the first elected Opposition leader in December nine and then
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Speaker 2: when he faced that federal election in twenty ten, Abbott
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Speaker 2: had eight months only to work up policies and gets
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Speaker 2: across the detail, and that happened. We did it. I
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Speaker 2: say we here because as well as being as chief
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Speaker 2: of Staff I was also the Secretary the Shadow Cabinet
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Speaker 2: at the time. Now in this opposition that job's with
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Speaker 2: a Newish MP, Zoe Mackenzie. So enough of the handwringing
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Speaker 2: and excuses collectively everyone out there in the coalition. If
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Speaker 2: you've got a job to do, come on, get moving.
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Speaker 2: Housing is another area where labour is incredibly vulnerable. Yes,
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Speaker 2: we all want a fair go for first home buyers.
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Speaker 2: We don't want it to be any harder for them
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Speaker 2: than it was for any of us. But We don't
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Speaker 2: want it to be risky either where people buy something
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Speaker 2: that they can't afford or they have a line that
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Speaker 2: they can't service should circumstances change as inevievitably they will.
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Speaker 2: Nor does anyone who has a home or paying off
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Speaker 2: a home want their values to fall because government's put
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Speaker 2: in place policies that are not thought through. But that's
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Speaker 2: what's happening now. The really rich you, okay, they're instulated
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Speaker 2: from all of this. It's middle Australia who are getting
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Speaker 2: hit and hit hard as labor push on using the
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Speaker 2: tax system as a method of wealth redistribution socialism by stealth.
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Speaker 2: A big part of the Albanezer government's image problem is Albanzi.
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Speaker 2: He's gone from being the bloke with his face on
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Speaker 2: a beer can to someone who seems addicted to the
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Speaker 2: Champagne high life. This is where labor is losing people
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Speaker 2: because in the toss toss up between Albanizi and Pauline Hansen,
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Speaker 2: it's the former fish and ship owner who's beating the
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Speaker 2: Housing commission kid hands down. Albanize is fast losing working
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Speaker 2: class support and he will struggle to get them back. Now,
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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the clowns and the shay gevar
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Speaker 2: or the yes voiced t shirts and the colored hair
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Speaker 2: down in Brunswick Street or Marrickful. I'm talking about mum
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Speaker 2: and dad average out in the dormitory suburbs of our
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Speaker 2: big cities. The people on fixed incomes, worried about their
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Speaker 2: power bills, people worried about interrast rate hikes, the rent
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Speaker 2: filling out the car, And rather than look like he's
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Speaker 2: focused on them, Alban Easy is looking more and more
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Speaker 2: out of touch, like it's all gone to his head,
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Speaker 2: that it's the trappings of the top job that matters
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Speaker 2: most to him now, not the voters that put him there. Now.
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Speaker 2: When was the last time he saw Alban Easy do
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Speaker 2: a proper press conference? Did he answer those tough questions
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Speaker 2: about the isis women and the isis bend properly? No
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Speaker 2: he didn't. Did he lie about not touching negative gearing
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Speaker 2: and capital gains? Or yes he did? And instead of
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Speaker 2: facing real scrutiny, he chooses to sit down with influences
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Speaker 2: and talks smut on a podcast. I mean, is this
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Speaker 2: really where we are at? A man who likes to
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Speaker 2: lecture others about how they should be respectful, making a
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Speaker 2: jibe about Japan's first ever female prime minister and her
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Speaker 2: gift to Australia during an official visit. This was, of course,
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Speaker 2: the same infamous podcast where Albanese admitted to wanting to
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Speaker 2: shag Kylie Minogu jag Mary date Kylie Minogue Kylie. Clearly
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Speaker 2: he married Kylie and shagger and data.
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Speaker 1: All of the above.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if that wasn't bad enough for a newly
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Speaker 2: weir bloke on his second marriage, it's the diplomatic fallout
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Speaker 2: from his offensive talk about Japan's prime minister that's hurting
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Speaker 2: him today, after Japan's former ambassador to Australia rightly called
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Speaker 2: out Albanese's sexism. Now, this is how it played out
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Speaker 2: today on Breakfast TV. The Japanese Prime minister brought a melon.
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Speaker 2: How did he get that through custom?
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Speaker 4: It's a royal melon.
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Speaker 2: She smuggled. It was a she.
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Speaker 4: Shed, she smuggle it. I don't know. I got a
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Speaker 4: couple of melons she brought to. She brought to as
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Speaker 4: you do.
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Speaker 2: She just came in looking like Pamela Randers. She brought
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Speaker 2: to yes, and they're beautiful.
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Speaker 5: Tanya, the former ambassador has said this morning. This was insulting, unthoughtful,
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Speaker 5: and that the last thing that Japanese PM was expecting
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Speaker 5: was quote to be so casually mocked by Australia's leader.
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Speaker 2: Do you agree and.
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Speaker 6: No, no, I completely disagree with that interpretation of what
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Speaker 6: the Prime Minister was saying. I completely disagree that he
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Speaker 6: was in any way making the suggestion that you're proposing,
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Speaker 6: or that the former ambassador is proposing.
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Speaker 2: Now, no way. Oh come on, Tanya. When the bloke
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Speaker 2: sits there on the couch and is doing this one
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Speaker 2: with melons about a female, you know exactly what he's doing.
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Speaker 2: You know, I know, and everyone watching it knows exactly
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Speaker 2: what's going on here. I can't believe you would defend
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Speaker 2: that smart. I mean, remember the outcry when Tony Ever
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Speaker 2: dared to look at his watch in the Parliament after
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Speaker 2: that morning blow up. Albanezy tried to then get away
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Speaker 2: with a written statement on the incident. But sorry, mate,
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Speaker 2: that's not good enough. It's absolutely weak.
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Speaker 6: I think that those comments have been round the condemned,
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Speaker 6: and when they were grubby, they were inappropriate. And if
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Speaker 6: you offend a woman, you should apologize to that woman.
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Speaker 2: You should apologize personally, not in a statement.
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Speaker 6: I think that the Prime.
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Speaker 2: Minister owes the Prime Minister of Japan a personal apologies.
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Speaker 2: Let's not forget Luke Gosling either charged with assault. The
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Speaker 2: PM says he won't be standing him down again if
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Speaker 2: Gosling was charged. Imagine this if he was charged with
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Speaker 2: assaulting a woman rather than the Crown's male representative of
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Speaker 2: the NT. What do you think the outcome would be there?
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Speaker 2: I think we all know the answer to that. You
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Speaker 2: either have standards or you don't. And too often under
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Speaker 2: this Prime Minister, he won't admit error, he won't apologize,
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Speaker 2: and instead digs in or just lies.
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Speaker 4: I stepped off the stage.
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Speaker 7: I didn't fall over on my backside.
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Speaker 4: I stumbled. That's what happened.
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Speaker 2: In wonder Albanez is such a close made of Daniel Andrews,
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Speaker 2: because that's who he now reminds me of peas in
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Speaker 2: a pod, two men out of Labour's left faction who
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Speaker 2: love the trappings of office and Beijing in equal measure.
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Speaker 2: We know what happened to Dan Andrews, don't we. When
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Speaker 2: you fall from grace, Prime Minister, you fall hard and
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Speaker 2: you fall fast. All right, let's get the headlines now
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Speaker 2: from camera as I said didn't have a question time today.
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Speaker 2: They'll be back at it tomorrow though, and joining us
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Speaker 2: down with the headlines. Political reporter Ribbon Spargo Good evening.
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Speaker 8: Pressure is mounting on the Alberanzi government as it prepares
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Speaker 8: to resett Australia's migration settings. One nation is accusing Labor
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Speaker 8: of pursuing a secret plan to bring in one million migrants,
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Speaker 8: pointing to the gap between the government's past projections and
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Speaker 8: the outcomes. The Opposition leader is also firing.
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Speaker 3: Immigration too high and housing supply too low on Labour's
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Speaker 3: own numbers, this is an absolute utter failure.
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Speaker 8: The Home Affairs Minister was expected to unvowl Labour's migration
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Speaker 8: reset last week. News twenty four understands an announcement this
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Speaker 8: week appears unlikely at this stage. The Prime Minister and
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Speaker 8: the Opposition leader have met to discuss the news bargaining incentive.
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Speaker 8: The model is designed to force big tech platforms to
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Speaker 8: pay for news content. Labor is facing backlash from media
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Speaker 8: companies after it proposed capping the levy is a percentage
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Speaker 8: of digital advertising revenue rather than gross annual revenues. Gambling
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Speaker 8: incentives are said to be restricted or banned in a
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Speaker 8: bid to protect vulnerable Australians from themselves. The Coalition, Greens
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Speaker 8: and Cross Bench are calling on the government to strengthen
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Speaker 8: its proposed reforms.
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Speaker 7: This will be the strongest anti gambling legislation that Australia
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Speaker 7: has ever seen.
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Speaker 8: Parliament returns tomorrow and the Government aims to have the
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Speaker 8: legislation passed within a fortnight.
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Speaker 2: All right, we had a bad poll today all the
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Speaker 2: major parties. This is news poll in the Australian. All
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Speaker 2: major parties are down one point. Labor and One Nation
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Speaker 2: locked at twenty nine percent, Coalition on eighteen percent. As
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Speaker 2: I said, this is back to the dog days of
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Speaker 2: Julia Gillard for Labor. Gentlemen. Now our News twenty four
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Speaker 2: political contributor Christy Women Chris, I've got an update on
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister and Japan. We'll get to that in
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Speaker 2: the moment, but let's get through these polls. At twenty
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Speaker 2: nine primary. I made the point at the top of
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Speaker 2: the show Labor's not long won an election. You know,
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Speaker 2: they've got a record majority in the parliament. The Coalition
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Speaker 2: is at war with One Nation on the right. They
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Speaker 2: should be unassailable and they're not.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, Petery.
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Speaker 3: We would never have thought that a political party could
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Speaker 3: have won government from thirty three percent of the vote,
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Speaker 3: but the Labor Party.
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Speaker 1: Did last time. Now it's fallen since then in the.
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Speaker 3: Polls, but the catastrophic fall has been in the coalition.
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Speaker 1: It's at eighteen percent. That's armageddon.
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Speaker 3: So while it might be a concern to the Labor
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Speaker 3: Party that's primary vote is so low, and I know
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Speaker 3: it is a concern to the party that a prim
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Speaker 3: vote is so low, it'll be laughing all the way
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Speaker 3: to the bank in what's happened to the right hand
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Speaker 3: side of Australian politics, because at this stage the coalition
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Speaker 3: looks completely unelectable for generations to come with seeing a
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Speaker 3: reordering of politics on the right hand side, which may
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Speaker 3: take decades to unravel. So yes, while the Labor Party
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Speaker 3: will be concerned, if I was anyone in the coalition
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Speaker 3: at the moment, that.
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Speaker 1: Would be where the real worry that this might be
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Speaker 1: an end of times event should be.
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Speaker 2: Do you think we have too many polls? I feel
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Speaker 2: like there's a poll every five minutes at the moment
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Speaker 2: and we're two certainly in Victoria. Fine, you know, elections
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Speaker 2: in November, but nationally, we're two years out from an election.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more, Peter.
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Speaker 3: And the other thing too is if you look at
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Speaker 3: that poll that you just showed me from the Australian,
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Speaker 3: it has a margin of era three point four percent.
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Speaker 3: Could you could actually say that nothing's changed in the
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Speaker 3: last six or seven.
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Speaker 1: Of those polls.
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Speaker 3: Yet when you get a poll, you've got to write
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Speaker 3: a headline about it, so you basically try to discern
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Speaker 3: what a one percentage point shift means. When I was
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Speaker 3: working at Channel nine, I tried as hard as I
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Speaker 3: possibly could to stop our breakfast television program from constantly
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Speaker 3: talking about every single poll whichever came out. But of
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Speaker 3: course they were. They have something to talk about. It's
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Speaker 3: measuring a mood. It's something real. We saw it in
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Speaker 3: South Australia, We've seen it in Farah. The rise of
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Speaker 3: one nation is a thing, but we're not going to
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Speaker 3: know what it means electorally until we see the next test,
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Speaker 3: and that will come in November in Victoria.
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Speaker 1: And my fear is that.
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Speaker 3: A new paint of coat, a new coat of paint
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Speaker 3: on the Labor Party might just be enough if the
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Speaker 3: right hand side of politics stays fractioned to get that
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Speaker 3: government back, and I don't think even the people of
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Speaker 3: Victoria want that.
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Speaker 2: And I will make the point when we were in
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Speaker 2: the Pharaoh by election and we're getting those poles out
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Speaker 2: of Pharaoh, they were deep poles. They were across a
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Speaker 2: particular elector. I think they're about as good as the
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Speaker 2: party poles are, the published poles I'm talking about. But
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Speaker 2: when you get an extrapulated pole from across the nation
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Speaker 2: and you're only talking to fifteen hundred people and you're
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Speaker 2: wanting to say that this will play out in that seat,
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Speaker 2: and that'll play out in that seat, I mean, I
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Speaker 2: think they're very, very hard to take. As you say,
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Speaker 2: is anything more than just a mood.
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Speaker 1: People don't happy, Peter.
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Speaker 3: And the reason that they're unhappy is their living standards
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Speaker 3: are fooling and they can feel it. So that's a
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Speaker 3: real thing. That's something that a government should worry about.
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Speaker 3: But unfortunately, what we need for the government to worry
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Speaker 3: about is the fact that it might lose government. And
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Speaker 3: at the moment we've lost that possibility. You know, I
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Speaker 3: think that the Labor Party believes quite rightly that it
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Speaker 3: can now lump the coalition in one nation together and
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Speaker 3: paint the worst parts of it as the thing that
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Speaker 3: Australians need to worry about. And in the end it
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Speaker 3: will come down to a choice as of who is
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Speaker 3: fit to govern it next election. And if the coalition
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Speaker 3: looks like it cannot muster itself to be a credible government,
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Speaker 3: then the only answer will be the Labor Party.
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Speaker 2: I made the point may at Atorial that the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister is a big drag on his own vote and
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Speaker 2: I think that whole melon's rubbishit And look, even just
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Speaker 2: talking to a low rent sort of podcaster, it wasn't
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Speaker 2: the only bit of smut in the podcast. There was
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Speaker 2: a whole barrage of it we saw with Kylie Minogue.
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Speaker 2: But there's an exclusive on The Australian's website right now
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Speaker 2: that the Japanese government, the prime in fact, has formally
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Speaker 2: raised that incident with our prime minister, this idea that
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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, this idea that Tokyo doesn't care, well,
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Speaker 2: anyone cares. Any woman would care about that, let alone
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Speaker 2: a prime minister.
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Speaker 3: Well, we've lacked seriousness on Japan for some time now
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Speaker 3: and they've felt it. There are a series of things,
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Speaker 3: and you were talking about Shingo Yammagummy, who was probably
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Speaker 3: the best ambassador this country has ever had.
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Speaker 1: He started by raising what.
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Speaker 3: Had happened to cole experts in Queensland, and of course
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Speaker 3: the royalties regime which was changed abruptly by.
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Speaker 1: The alp up there that hurt the Japanese.
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Speaker 3: They're worried about us not being a guaranteed supplier of energy,
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Speaker 3: which they absolutely need. Then we start looking at gas taxes,
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Speaker 3: they're worried about that. Then we see this ridiculous comment
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Speaker 3: by the Prime Minister of Australia, which, by the way,
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Speaker 3: if that had been Scott Morrison, Peter Dutton, you name it,
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Speaker 3: anyone the coalition. Don't you think there would have been
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Speaker 3: a procession every day afterwards of every female member of
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Speaker 3: the Labor Party that came out and demanded an apology,
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Speaker 3: plus every single commissioner that we have in the country
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Speaker 3: which deals with.
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Speaker 1: Issues to do with women.
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Speaker 3: Don't give me this bulderdash that this wasn't a serious issue.
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Speaker 1: It was. But beyond that too.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister then decided that he wouldn't attend a
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Speaker 3: treaty event in Parliament House about the Nara Treaty, which
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Speaker 3: is fifty years old, but would prefer to go to
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Speaker 3: a Spotify event in Parliament on the same night. You
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Speaker 3: add these things up and this government is not serious
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Speaker 3: about Japan and it keeps talking about middle powers getting together.
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Speaker 3: There is no more important middle power to Australia than Japan.
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Speaker 3: And we are treating this relationship with contempt.
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Speaker 2: That is because mate, you and I both know he
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Speaker 2: is completely orientated. Labor is completely orientated to.
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Speaker 3: Beijing, absolutely, and you can make no other decision of this.
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Speaker 3: We are downplaying the Jack Needs relationship because we're concerned
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Speaker 3: about how it is received in Beijing. And of course
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister of Japan is hated by Beijing because
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Speaker 3: she is being very strong indeed in North Asia. So
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Speaker 3: it is a really important relationship and we are squandering it.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, this will come to home to
21:19
Speaker 3: roost in terms of our exports. Mark Karney, the Prime
21:23
Speaker 3: Minister of Canada, is extremely keen to get those exports
21:27
Speaker 3: which we now have over gas and take them for Canada.
21:30
Speaker 3: And those contracts will come up in the next few years,
21:34
Speaker 3: so we will lose market share to Canada if we
21:38
Speaker 3: aren't careful with this relationship with Japan. It's time for
21:41
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister to be serious about the Japanese relationship
21:44
Speaker 3: and do something real to mend relationships.
21:48
Speaker 2: You shock me. The great climate warrior Karne, mugged by
21:52
Speaker 2: the reality of a balance sheet and running a country,
21:55
Speaker 2: will happily take a dirty old fossil fuels if you
21:57
Speaker 2: can get them just quickly. Josh Friend that news overnight
22:01
Speaker 2: that he has certainly put in a submission to the
22:04
Speaker 2: Royal Commission into Anti Semitism, but he is not being
22:07
Speaker 2: asked now to formally attend and give evidence. What do
22:10
Speaker 2: you make of this?
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Speaker 1: Well, why wouldn't he be heard?
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Speaker 3: He is a serious and powerful voice inside the Jewish community.
22:17
Speaker 3: He has enormous experience in politics in Australia and we're
22:20
Speaker 3: hearing it from a whole lot of other people, So
22:22
Speaker 3: why wouldn't you want to hear.
22:23
Speaker 1: From Josh Freedenburger. It makes no sense to me.
22:26
Speaker 3: But then again, I've got to say, Peter, when I
22:29
Speaker 3: look around Australia after having come back from Europe, nothing
22:31
Speaker 3: much makes any sense to me. I can tell you
22:33
Speaker 3: the two stories which cut through in the UK when
22:36
Speaker 3: I was there. That was the Prime Minister talking about
22:39
Speaker 3: wanting to shag Carli Minogue and Barnaby Joyce yelling at
22:42
Speaker 3: his dog. We look like trivial country and we're behaving
22:46
Speaker 3: like a trivial country.
22:49
Speaker 2: I love ab our. Economic indicators are going that way too.
22:51
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, Chris Yellman, thank you. That's gone
22:54
Speaker 2: out of that new campaign force set to shake up
22:56
Speaker 2: things in the Victorian election. It's called Fix Victoria and
23:00
Speaker 2: it's deminding policies for politicians to do just that. And
23:05
Speaker 2: just to make sure they sort of kick off with
23:07
Speaker 2: a bit of a bang. Here's their first ad, which
23:10
Speaker 2: hit the airwaves overnight.
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Speaker 9: Victoria's tsunami of debt, waste, corruption and overspending is two
23:19
Speaker 9: hundred and twenty nine billion dollars and rising. It's destroying businesses, jobs,
23:25
Speaker 9: stealing resources from our schools, hospitals and police. Without a
23:30
Speaker 9: plan to clean up and pay back the debt, it
23:32
Speaker 9: will smash all we've built and who'll have to pay
23:36
Speaker 9: our children. Join us to Fix Victoria.
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Speaker 10: Authorized by d Henderson for Fixed Victoria and Corporated Melbourne.
23:43
Speaker 2: All right, that Adam Tolds with the first of medi
23:46
Speaker 2: for a body that was just launched a couple of
23:49
Speaker 2: weeks ago. So who is Fix Victoria? Were joining me.
23:53
Speaker 2: Now their head of advocacy, Gideon Rosna, who you'll remember
23:57
Speaker 2: from the IPA. You were a big hit on my previously.
24:00
Speaker 2: So I'm glad to see you back.
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Speaker 4: Great to be back, Peter.
24:03
Speaker 2: Okay, So to tell us about Victoria, are they a
24:05
Speaker 2: political party where we'll see candidates.
24:07
Speaker 10: Let's go now, We're not a political party. We're an
24:09
Speaker 10: independent advocacy organization. We're going to be standing up for
24:13
Speaker 10: the thousands upon thousands of Victorians who, as you well
24:16
Speaker 10: well know, Peter, who are despairing, absolutely despairing over the
24:20
Speaker 10: state of Victoria and what it's going through and what has.
24:22
Speaker 4: Gone through for some time, you know, until now.
24:24
Speaker 10: I've been in the private sector for the last few years, Peter,
24:26
Speaker 10: I have been, and you know I loved it. But
24:28
Speaker 10: there was an acronym going around investment circles a lot
24:31
Speaker 10: of your viewers may have heard, which is ab M
24:34
Speaker 10: anywhere but Melbourne. Now, that's not a political line. That's
24:37
Speaker 10: the free market, effectively saying investing in Victoria the way
24:40
Speaker 10: it is currently being run is not worth the risk. Now,
24:44
Speaker 10: that is not acceptable to me, and it shouldn't be
24:46
Speaker 10: acceptable to you or anybody else because I'm a nineties kid.
24:49
Speaker 10: I remember when this state was at its absolute peak.
24:51
Speaker 10: I remember when it was on the app. I remember
24:53
Speaker 10: when we were the envy of this country, not a
24:56
Speaker 10: national punchline like we are now. So fixed Victoria is
24:59
Speaker 10: for any victory or in, no matter which party you've
25:01
Speaker 10: supported in the past, no matter where you come from,
25:03
Speaker 10: anybody who is concerned as we are about the terrible
25:06
Speaker 10: mess Victoria is in where a.
25:08
Speaker 2: Few you're talking about the late nineties, when the government chain,
25:12
Speaker 2: I was there in the early nineties, under there after
25:14
Speaker 2: ninety two counter it's pretty shocking. So what do you
25:18
Speaker 2: want to achieve? Is it about a policy debate? Are
25:21
Speaker 2: you going to hold all the parties to account? Are
25:23
Speaker 2: you pushing a particular barrow?
25:25
Speaker 10: Well, firstly, you're absolutely right. We are holding all the
25:27
Speaker 10: parties to account. We are not working with any party,
25:30
Speaker 10: but we will work with any party, any politician, any
25:33
Speaker 10: public figure with a serious plan to do something about
25:36
Speaker 10: the terrible problems Victoria has, whether it be the debt crisis,
25:39
Speaker 10: whether it be the fact that crime is at the
25:41
Speaker 10: highest record since levels began. And you know, Victorians are
25:44
Speaker 10: smart as well. Our research shows that two thirds of
25:47
Speaker 10: Victorians know that this state is on the wrong track, right.
25:50
Speaker 10: They know that we're paying twenty four million dollars a
25:53
Speaker 10: day on interest.
25:54
Speaker 4: That's just to service the debt. That's not the principle.
25:56
Speaker 2: It's borrowed money.
25:57
Speaker 4: It's borrowed money. And Victorians know you can't pay.
25:59
Speaker 10: The mortgage off for the credit card, and they're seeing
26:01
Speaker 10: now what happens when that money runs out.
26:03
Speaker 4: We saw just.
26:04
Speaker 10: Today forty cars, forty odd cars damaged with a single
26:08
Speaker 10: pothole in Victoria. That crumbling infrastructure has happened. Is what
26:12
Speaker 10: happens when the state goes broke. But you know it
26:14
Speaker 10: doesn't have to be this way, Peter, as I said,
26:16
Speaker 10: I remember when times were different.
26:17
Speaker 4: We can get there again.
26:18
Speaker 10: There is nothing that has been done to the state
26:21
Speaker 10: of Victoria for the last few years that can't be
26:23
Speaker 10: undone with the right decisions and the right policies. So
26:26
Speaker 10: our job is to, as you said, spark that debate,
26:29
Speaker 10: make sure that the tsunamis of debt is on everybody's
26:32
Speaker 10: mind going forward, and hopefully do something about it.
26:35
Speaker 2: Okay, So to a crucifire power, I want to get
26:37
Speaker 2: you on here a bit. So let's let's make that happen.
26:40
Speaker 2: How can people support you? How can they find out
26:42
Speaker 2: more about it?
26:42
Speaker 4: Well?
26:42
Speaker 10: To sign up, just go to fix Victoria dot com
26:44
Speaker 10: dot you. As I said, we're open to everybody. Anybody
26:47
Speaker 10: who was concerned about the direction of our state. Please
26:50
Speaker 10: please please go and join the organization because we need
26:52
Speaker 10: all the help we can get against the other voice
26:54
Speaker 10: in the debate, whether it be Union's NGOs, whoever it else.
26:57
Speaker 10: We need to even up the ledger and make sure
26:59
Speaker 10: that ordinary everyday Victorian's acunda too.
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Speaker 2: Good on good to see you back? Isn't that great?
27:04
Speaker 2: We need a bit of a fight and some firepower
27:07
Speaker 2: in Victoria. Is right about the unions too, They're going
27:09
Speaker 2: to come there and support Ben Carroll right after the
27:11
Speaker 2: break alarming data release today. Around three hundred would be
27:15
Speaker 2: terrorists are currently in these deradicalization programs. You know my
27:19
Speaker 2: view on them. I'm not so sure they work. We'll
27:21
Speaker 2: get into it, but I want to know who runs
27:23
Speaker 2: them as well. And as the first soldier faced a
27:26
Speaker 2: war crimes charge in court today, why did the Senate
27:30
Speaker 2: vote last week to block the release of the report
27:32
Speaker 2: into the conduct of the officers and the chain of command?
27:36
Speaker 2: Kredlin regular David Craig coming up, welcome back. How the
27:46
Speaker 2: upcoming census can skew the way religions represented in Australia.
27:51
Speaker 2: That's coming up and why some are campaigning for no
27:55
Speaker 2: religion vote but first in data confirmed now by the
27:58
Speaker 2: Home Affairs to part in, there are now just shy
28:02
Speaker 2: of three hundred would be terrorists in Australia in deradicalization programs,
28:07
Speaker 2: that number having jumped some twenty percent since Bondai now
28:12
Speaker 2: shockingly ninety two percent of male rest of female. This
28:17
Speaker 2: is the worrying one. You've got thirty percent age seventeen
28:22
Speaker 2: or younger, twenty six percent between eighty and twenty four,
28:26
Speaker 2: thirty two percent between twenty five and forty five years
28:29
Speaker 2: of age, and twelve percent only over the age of
28:33
Speaker 2: forty five. So put some of those numbers together and
28:37
Speaker 2: you've got fifty six percent. So these would be terrorists
28:41
Speaker 2: under the age of twenty five. Joining me now, former
28:44
Speaker 2: AFP Detective Superintendent David Craig, Thank you, David. We keep
28:49
Speaker 2: coming back to the issue of these drad programs because
28:53
Speaker 2: I want people to understand, given AZIO doesn't have and
28:58
Speaker 2: will never have the resources, nor will the AFP to
29:01
Speaker 2: watch everybody of concern. We are putting a lot of
29:05
Speaker 2: eggs into the programs, the basket of these programs to
29:10
Speaker 2: turn off terrorist ideologies or interest from these young people,
29:17
Speaker 2: particularly these young men. So I want to know more
29:20
Speaker 2: about them. I want to know they work. But when
29:22
Speaker 2: I hear that these numbers are growing as they are,
29:26
Speaker 2: I'm worried.
29:29
Speaker 1: I think you should be pere. I mean, there's two aspects.
29:32
Speaker 11: The positive aspect is I think that perhaps the figures
29:36
Speaker 11: indicate that since BONDI there's been like an eighteen percent
29:39
Speaker 11: increase in referrals to de radicalization. That's a good thing
29:43
Speaker 11: because at least people are referring people for deracalization. Not
29:49
Speaker 11: that I'm a fan of de radicalization, but that brings
29:51
Speaker 11: me to my next point. The negative point is these
29:54
Speaker 11: programs are funded and coordinated federally, but they're administered through
29:59
Speaker 11: the states in two territories, through disparate organizations and people
30:03
Speaker 11: from police correction psychologists, community leaders, mentors. Is all that
30:09
Speaker 11: data being captured and fed back to home affairs so
30:11
Speaker 11: we can get accurate data so that we can intervene
30:15
Speaker 11: early with these sorts of problems.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think it is, David. I mean, I
30:20
Speaker 2: know my way around research at a federal level, and
30:23
Speaker 2: I've tracked the money. There's hundreds of millions of dollars
30:26
Speaker 2: leaving Canberra. It's paid to the states, as right that
30:29
Speaker 2: you say. Some states run the programs through government auspices.
30:34
Speaker 2: Others look like to me that they're giving money to
30:36
Speaker 2: sort of mm's counsels or Muslim organizations. And there doesn't
30:41
Speaker 2: seem to be any sort of audit, if I could
30:44
Speaker 2: call it that audit of efficacy. Are they working these programs?
30:48
Speaker 2: Are we confident that people are not re I'm trying
30:54
Speaker 2: to think of the word that they haven't actually committed
30:57
Speaker 2: any crime yet the big watch. But are they finishing
31:01
Speaker 2: a program and then being thrown back into a program
31:05
Speaker 2: because they haven't been deradicalized. I mean, you can't find
31:10
Speaker 2: the data. There's no annual report that I can find.
31:13
Speaker 2: I look through the estimates questions, David, and the response
31:16
Speaker 2: is by the Department at Senate estimates they're very poor.
31:19
Speaker 2: They're opaque. It's like they're pushing the money out there
31:22
Speaker 2: as this is the big answer, but they're keeping the
31:25
Speaker 2: audit if it's even happening a secret.
31:30
Speaker 11: Yeah, Look I think politically it's a great it solves
31:33
Speaker 11: everything because it makes people feel great, Oh good, this
31:35
Speaker 11: person's been set up to a deradicalization program. But I
31:39
Speaker 11: can tell you that most of them are ineffective. Studies
31:42
Speaker 11: have shown that they're an important measure. I'm not saying
31:44
Speaker 11: we should drop them. They definitely need to be a part.
31:46
Speaker 11: They're more useful and this demographic is good, with over
31:50
Speaker 11: fifty percent under twenty five years of age. They deradicalization
31:54
Speaker 11: programs are most effective with younger people, so that's a
31:58
Speaker 11: positive thing. But we're not seeing the data recorded, we're
32:02
Speaker 11: not seeing the reports, and I just think that politically,
32:05
Speaker 11: we just handle this money out and we can say
32:07
Speaker 11: they're in dear radicalization, and that creates a real false
32:10
Speaker 11: sense of belief in the community that everything's being taken
32:13
Speaker 11: care of, whereas it's far not from that. There's real
32:17
Speaker 11: issues with ASO, the AFP, in Home Affairs itself, dreadful
32:22
Speaker 11: issues that we're not confronting, issues that we should be.
32:26
Speaker 2: Let's go to that report in The Australian Today that
32:28
Speaker 2: Home Affairs have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to
32:30
Speaker 2: a whole lot of small time media outlets. It's all
32:34
Speaker 2: under the umbrella of supporting journalism in multicultural communities. Well
32:40
Speaker 2: you dig into it and you find that there's half
32:42
Speaker 2: a million dollars that's been given to three companies, in
32:45
Speaker 2: particular OPN Media Limited, Senior Incorporate Incorporated, which publishes The
32:51
Speaker 2: Australasian Muslim Times, and an outfit called sixteen to twenty
32:55
Speaker 2: Proprietary Limited, which runs Radio Tomorrow, accused of emoting an
33:00
Speaker 2: Islamic preacher who's been banned from at least two European
33:04
Speaker 2: countries for propagating anti Semitic tropes. What the heck's going
33:10
Speaker 2: on here?
33:13
Speaker 11: Look, it's I mean, we really need to confront this
33:18
Speaker 11: this head on, I think, Peter, and it's two of
33:21
Speaker 11: these media outlets identify themselves as Muslamdia outlets and the
33:26
Speaker 11: other one is Arabic. Now, if these people are meant
33:32
Speaker 11: to be providing multicultural advice and helping social cohesion and
33:38
Speaker 11: they've been accused of anti Semitic voices supporting Hesblara and hamas,
33:46
Speaker 11: so we've got one edge of the government saying we
33:48
Speaker 11: need to be fixing this. In the Raw Commission right
33:51
Speaker 11: now is questioning exactly this and our government has it
33:54
Speaker 11: shown due diligence towards who they're giving half a million
33:58
Speaker 11: dollars to when you know the demographic of that background
34:03
Speaker 11: immerst most terrorism in Australia we know comes from the
34:06
Speaker 11: Middle East, mostly from the Middle East. It's not all
34:09
Speaker 11: Middle Eastern people, but that's an area that is a
34:13
Speaker 11: keen edge. If we can get them educating the public properly,
34:17
Speaker 11: it will vastly help the radicalization of youth in those communities.
34:20
Speaker 11: So I think that it's an appropriate thing to do
34:25
Speaker 11: to ask for due diligence and accountability when they're handing
34:28
Speaker 11: out money to these community organizations.
34:32
Speaker 2: David, I'm really up against the clock. I've got to
34:34
Speaker 2: ask you. Are you concerned as i am? This report
34:37
Speaker 2: in relation to the command structure? So the senior officers here,
34:42
Speaker 2: in relation to what happened in Afghanistan or is alleged
34:45
Speaker 2: to occurred in Afghanistan, was blocked from being released on
34:48
Speaker 2: the weekend, sorry on Friday, by the Senate. I guess yes,
34:53
Speaker 2: of course there'll be classified material in there, but can't
34:55
Speaker 2: we clean that up and let the report come out
34:57
Speaker 2: into the public domain.
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Speaker 11: It has to come out, Peter, because the way it
35:01
Speaker 11: looks at the moment is that the grassroots operators, the
35:04
Speaker 11: operators at the front line, have had extreme scrutiny and
35:07
Speaker 11: they've been subject to that. We need to see these
35:10
Speaker 11: stam community needs to see that the same as a
35:12
Speaker 11: plane applied to the upper ranks. Now find out if
35:14
Speaker 11: they've been reckless or whether they've been diligent in their
35:17
Speaker 11: administration of the staff, insult accused of war crimes.
35:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the claim is certainly that there is a
35:24
Speaker 2: cover up of the very highest ranks there in the military,
35:27
Speaker 2: and this does not help that argument. I'll have it there,
35:30
Speaker 2: Thank you, David, all right. After the break, new research
35:33
Speaker 2: has revealed how census questions on religion could be deliberately
35:37
Speaker 2: misleading in an underhanded political campaign to suggest that Australia
35:42
Speaker 2: is increasingly secular. After the break, welcome by outrage in
35:53
Speaker 2: Melbourne yesterday people marching in the street regarding tougher bail
35:57
Speaker 2: conditions after the horrific death of a shopkeeper just the
36:02
Speaker 2: other day. Now to this week's census, of course tomorrow
36:06
Speaker 2: nighty census night, and fresh questions over what the numbers
36:10
Speaker 2: are really telling us about religion in Australia. New research
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Speaker 2: by Compass Polling suggests the way the Census religious questions
36:17
Speaker 2: worded can have a material impact on how Australians respond,
36:21
Speaker 2: potentially meaning the proportion of Australians with no religion has
36:25
Speaker 2: been significantly overstated. Doctor Dorian Van Freehold is the managing
36:31
Speaker 2: director of Compass Polling and joins me now. Dorian, welcome
36:35
Speaker 2: to the program. This is a vexed terf for us
36:41
Speaker 2: to be on because I noted from comments I made
36:44
Speaker 2: last week in relation to the Christian religion and the
36:48
Speaker 2: Jewish religion, there was a firestorm online. I got some
36:52
Speaker 2: detail wrong. I'd indicated that the Jews used to have
36:55
Speaker 2: a box on the twenty twenty one Census they never have,
36:58
Speaker 2: which shocks me in itself. They have to tick the
37:00
Speaker 2: other box, they have to write in their faith. But
37:03
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what the people in the no religion
37:06
Speaker 2: camp have come for me online. Your research involved more
37:10
Speaker 2: than five thousand Australians and you looked at four different
37:14
Speaker 2: versions of the questions about religion used in the Census.
37:19
Speaker 2: What did you find.
37:22
Speaker 12: Yes, great to be here tonight, Peter. Ostensibly, the key
37:26
Speaker 12: finding is that the number of people who fall into
37:32
Speaker 12: that no religion category in Australia should be far closer
37:35
Speaker 12: to twenty six percent than thirty nine percent as per
37:39
Speaker 12: the last census. This was widely reported in the ABC
37:43
Speaker 12: in The Australian last week. How did we get there?
37:46
Speaker 12: As you mentioned, Peter, we conducted a rigorous piece of
37:51
Speaker 12: research five and twelve participants and essentially they were assigned
37:56
Speaker 12: to one of the four randomly assigned to one of
38:00
Speaker 12: the four census question formats. It's changed four times in
38:06
Speaker 12: the past, and broadly we've found that the percentage of
38:12
Speaker 12: people who responded no religion range from twenty percent to
38:15
Speaker 12: forty seven percent, depending just on the question. So the
38:19
Speaker 12: question itself is significantly responsible for how people respond and
38:26
Speaker 12: what percentage of people actually select no religion.
38:31
Speaker 2: So you're saying, and I know this from political polling,
38:35
Speaker 2: how you ask the question can skew the result. The
38:39
Speaker 2: ABS will tell you that they're independent. What's different about
38:43
Speaker 2: the questions that drives that high no religion vote?
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Speaker 12: Yep. So the current census framing is somewhat peculiar in
38:55
Speaker 12: that it's a checkbox question where the first option is
38:59
Speaker 12: no religion. Now, being a guy with a PhD in
39:03
Speaker 12: consumer psychology, having lectured many a course on research methodologies.
39:09
Speaker 12: That's a rookie era. You fall straight into what's called
39:12
Speaker 12: the primacy effect, which means that the first option visible
39:16
Speaker 12: to respondents gets a disproportionate amount of eyeballs and is
39:20
Speaker 12: more likely to be selected.
39:23
Speaker 2: Dorian, can I just jump in there? Can I just
39:25
Speaker 2: jump in there? It's like the donkey vote in politics.
39:27
Speaker 2: People love to be on the top of the ballot paper.
39:29
Speaker 2: But the ABS, when asked about that, So the only
39:32
Speaker 2: reason no religion's up the top is because they take
39:36
Speaker 2: the number one response from the old census and put
39:40
Speaker 2: it up the top of this census.
39:45
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's a somewhat peculiar way to look at it.
39:48
Speaker 12: I mean, it's well studied and documented in psychology literature
39:52
Speaker 12: that that will distort the results significantly. The ABS also
39:55
Speaker 12: acknowledge openly that the changes the quadruple changes in the
40:00
Speaker 12: question may change people's responses, but they never did the
40:05
Speaker 12: legwork to actually figure out and quantify how great those
40:09
Speaker 12: changes are. So that's a major shortcoming for an exercise
40:15
Speaker 12: which this year is going to cost US seven hundred
40:17
Speaker 12: and twenty two million dollars. Coming to think of a
40:20
Speaker 12: three quarters of a billion dollars. That sort of academic
40:23
Speaker 12: rigor is really necessary. We need to quantify how these
40:28
Speaker 12: changes are going to distort how people respond to the result.
40:32
Speaker 12: And you can see in the research that the distortion
40:34
Speaker 12: the manipulation here is a very major one.
40:39
Speaker 2: And why isn't there Dorian just a box on Christian
40:43
Speaker 2: Because if you're looking on that list and you don't
40:45
Speaker 2: see your church or church you identify with, you think, well, okay,
40:49
Speaker 2: maybe I don't fit there, and you may tick the
40:53
Speaker 2: no religion or if you're not a church goer, you
40:55
Speaker 2: may think you're not entitled to tick a church box.
40:59
Speaker 2: But there isn't an option unless you're right it in
41:01
Speaker 2: yourself to just call yourself a Christian.
41:05
Speaker 12: Correct correct, Which brings us right back to the original
41:09
Speaker 12: framing of the census question, which was an open ended
41:12
Speaker 12: question and that was the least distorted question you can
41:16
Speaker 12: possibly have. People just wrote in what their religion was
41:20
Speaker 12: and then the analysis was conducted afterwards, and that's a
41:24
Speaker 12: very powerful way to do it, and with AI these
41:26
Speaker 12: days can very easily be classified.
41:34
Speaker 2: And just before we go, so are you saying that,
41:36
Speaker 2: on the basis of your research, Australians aren't becoming more
41:41
Speaker 2: secular as some would claim.
41:45
Speaker 12: Correct, Oh, it's secularization in Australia is real. But the
41:49
Speaker 12: speedometer is broken here and broadly, my comment would be
41:53
Speaker 12: that we're paying as tax pays a lot of money
41:57
Speaker 12: for this speedometer and if I was the guy buying
42:00
Speaker 12: it should be a robust, solid instrument that doesn't jump
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Speaker 12: around all the time.
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Speaker 2: Very well explained. I know it's dense research stuff, but
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Speaker 2: you've done a very good job tonight, doctor Dorian von Freehold.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. There you go. If you're
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Speaker 2: filling it out tomorrow and you've got even a passing
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Speaker 2: faith still left in you, please tick a faith box.
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Speaker 2: We'll write it in. After the Break, livelihoods and lives
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Speaker 2: on the line in Melbourne, hundreds gathered yesterday to pay
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Speaker 2: their respects to a good Samaritan shopkeeper tragically killed last
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Speaker 2: week and this international student visa stuff that's come out
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Speaker 2: over the weekend. Non student family members allowed here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: After the Break. Welcome back now to heartbreaking scenes out
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Speaker 2: of Melbourne yesterday where crowds hundreds of people gathered to
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Speaker 2: demand tougher laws and more police patrols following the death
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Speaker 2: of a shopkeeper who was allegedly attacked by teenagers when
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Speaker 2: he rushed to the aid of a fellow retail workers worker.
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Speaker 6: Last week, the rain didn't dampen their burning rage, with
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Speaker 6: hundreds gathering to protest in sunshine.
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Speaker 4: What what do we want it? Now?
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Speaker 8: As chance rang out on the other side of Hampshire Road,
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Speaker 8: a vigil.
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Speaker 7: To pay respect to the men who have sacrificed his
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Speaker 7: life or his fellow human beings. And like all heroes,
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Speaker 7: we don't know them until their acts of heroism.
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Speaker 2: Now horrifically, a fifteen year old boy's been charged with banslaughter.
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Speaker 2: A twelve year old boy to fourteen year old girls
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Speaker 2: have been also charged with intentionally causing serious injury and
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Speaker 2: a fray. But it's Victoria, so they have been released
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Speaker 2: on bail. Join me now to discuss this and other
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Speaker 2: issues as well. From a liberal mpeterkof Flint one Nation
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Speaker 2: Party Director, there's the new title, James Ashby, Welcome to
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Speaker 2: you both, Nicole. At what point do Victorians wake up
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Speaker 2: and say enough is enough?
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Speaker 13: What an absolutely sickening and heartbreaking series of events, Peter,
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Speaker 13: And it just goes to show that right now Australia
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Speaker 13: is a country and a culture of no consequences, and
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Speaker 13: Victoria is at the epicenter of this because four years
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Speaker 13: now we have seen home invasions and car thefts and
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Speaker 13: petty crime running rife in Victoria with no consequences. So
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Speaker 13: is it any surprise that we are now seeing the
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Speaker 13: most tragic of human consequences, which is someone allegedly murdered
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Speaker 13: and the alleged perpetrators that are on bail.
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Speaker 2: Enough is enough.
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Speaker 13: Victorians have a very clear choice at the upcoming election,
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Speaker 13: but so does every single Australian. This is why people
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Speaker 13: are really angry at the moment. They're sick of seeing
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Speaker 13: no consequences for this sort of barb baric behavior.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to this story James on the Weekend in
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Speaker 2: the Sunday Telegraph. I read it and I had to
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Speaker 2: read it three or four times over. So if you
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Speaker 2: come to Australia on a student visa, it's supposed to
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Speaker 2: be temporary. Is supposed to do your course and go home.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes you might get a job at the end. But
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Speaker 2: a lot of people stay here and they move across
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Speaker 2: visas to string out the time they're here. Now we
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Speaker 2: have them for vocational we have them for undergrad we
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Speaker 2: also have them for graduates. What shocked me is that
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Speaker 2: you can bring your extended family. Sorry sorry BIGI part
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Speaker 2: your immediate family with you as well. So you come
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Speaker 2: as the student, but your family can come as well
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Speaker 2: and they get whatever work rights you have. So of
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Speaker 2: the people on the graduate visa class, two hundred and
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Speaker 2: seventy one thousand are in Australia right now, almost seventy
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Speaker 2: four percent of people on that visa class are not
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Speaker 2: the graduate students. They're the family of them. So seventy
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Speaker 2: four thousand, that's thirty percent. James, what's going on here?
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Speaker 2: We're selling Oh he's lost audio, Nicole, or come to
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Speaker 2: you on that one, Nicole. We are selling a visa
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Speaker 2: outcome here. We are not selling education, Peter.
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Speaker 13: It's absolutely extraordinary, and again no wonder Australians are fed
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Speaker 13: up because the other question here is are these family
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Speaker 13: members even working? You know, are they contributing, are they
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Speaker 13: making are they making a contribution to the workforce. We've
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Speaker 13: got record skill shortages across the board. Because I understand
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Speaker 13: it's not just partners, but it's also children. So obviously
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Speaker 13: children are not necessarily working, but are they then in
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Speaker 13: our schools. Are they also using our health system? We've
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Speaker 13: got record pressures, pressures across the board at every single level.
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Speaker 13: And so again no wonder people are rightly asking questions
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Speaker 13: about the migration system. Who's coming here and what are
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Speaker 13: they doing? And are they helping Australia get ahead or
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Speaker 13: are they actually draining really precious resources that we need
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Speaker 13: at the moment when we're at a record cost of
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Speaker 13: living crisis and when services, whether it's public transport, health,
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Speaker 13: education are under pressure.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll bring you in James School, got your connection
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Speaker 2: to going there. But are you surprised by this because
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Speaker 2: I was. I was not aware of the scale of
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Speaker 2: basically family members coming in backdoor, coming in with a
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Speaker 2: family member on a student visa.
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Speaker 14: Well, it concerns me when governments and parties alike say
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Speaker 14: that education is our fifth biggest export carl gas, iron
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Speaker 14: or gold and then education. The problem is with an export,
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Speaker 14: you send things out of the country. Problem is we're
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Speaker 14: bringing them in and we're not sending them back at all.
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Speaker 14: So this whole idea of it being an export is
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Speaker 14: again part of the Ponzi scheme and the only winners
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Speaker 14: out of this are the universities. They've got salespeople in
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Speaker 14: other countries, mainly China and India, selling their wares. But
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Speaker 14: as part of that, you don't just get the education
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Speaker 14: they're saying, you get to stay for the long haul
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Speaker 14: as well, plus bring your family down with you. And
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Speaker 14: when you're talking about seventy four thousand people then being
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Speaker 14: allowed to stay in the country with no skills whatsoever,
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Speaker 14: it defies the logic that's being explained by this labor
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Speaker 14: government that they're only bringing skilled people into Australia. It's
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Speaker 14: a lie, it's a Ponzi scheme. It's just propping up
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Speaker 14: these greedy universities and Australians have been played for mugs.
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Speaker 2: I've got to ask you, James. We talked a moment
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Speaker 2: ago about the horrific events in Melbourne last week in
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Speaker 2: relation to the shopkeeper who died at the hands allegedly
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Speaker 2: of young kids. But you've got this proposal in Victoria
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Speaker 2: at the moment for people who run our courts, and
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Speaker 2: there's a huge backlog in Victoria to work from home.
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Speaker 2: How can you work for home if it's supposed to
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Speaker 2: be working in the court.
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Speaker 14: And especially given that there's a thirty percent uplift in
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Speaker 14: people that are self representing. They need help at those
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Speaker 14: desks when they go into the court. There's big problems
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Speaker 14: in our court system. Working from home is not a
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Speaker 14: logical stance that the Victorian government should be taking.
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Speaker 2: It's a shocker. I'll leave it there. Thank you to
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Speaker 2: you both. Good to have you there in your new role. James,
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Speaker 2: you haven't disappeared. Great to see you. To Nicole, I'll
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Speaker 2: see you all tomorrow. There will be question time, of course,
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Speaker 2: we'll see how much pressure the Prime Minister comes on after.
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Speaker 2: Of course we heard tonight the Japanese Prime Minister has
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Speaker 2: raised that whole smutty podcast with him directly. I'll leave
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Speaker 2: it there. He's Andrew