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#99: Christianity Googled! · Deep-Grace Diving with Tim Wright and Terey Summers

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  SPEAKER_03: Hey everyone,
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm guessing that all of you,
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  SPEAKER_03: like the three of us,
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  SPEAKER_03: sit all day long and wonder,
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  SPEAKER_03: if I were to Google questions about Christianity,
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  SPEAKER_03: what would come up?
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that's all we think about, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Terry, John, you're on your heads.
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  SPEAKER_03: All of us who are listening, that's just the way we're wired.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're going to put you out of your misery,
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  SPEAKER_03: and we're going to answer that question for you today.
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  SPEAKER_03: I gave John an assignment...
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  as this is episode 99 before episode 100 which is going to be a
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  biggie oh my
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  goodness what we've got planned uh what we're going to plan um
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  what we who knows um
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  but john actually went on to the internet the world wide web
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  and he googled in i
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  don't know what he googled in but he's going to tell us and he
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  brought up some of
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  SPEAKER_03: the questions that
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  seem to be some of the top questions people are asking about
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  faith,
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  about Jesus,
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  about God.
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  So last week,
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  we looked at some really good questions from John's Awana
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  class.
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  SPEAKER_03: And this week, we're going with somebody not quite as impressive.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's called AI.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we're going to see what AI is asking about Jesus,
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  SPEAKER_03: or at least AI thinks we're asking about the gospel,
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  SPEAKER_03: just to kind of look at some of the bigger questions.
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  And then we'll talk a bit about what we're going to do next
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  week for our big BAPA
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  SPEAKER_03: 100th anniversary.
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  Before we do that,
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  we want to welcome back Terry Summers,
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  who has been without the dentist.
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  SPEAKER_03: The dentist, the internet.
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  SPEAKER_03: But before we dive in,
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  SPEAKER_03: Terry,
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  you had a chance several weeks ago now to hobnob with some
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  really impressive
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  SPEAKER_03: people.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's epic.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Other than us.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so tell us,
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  SPEAKER_03: and a lot of these people,
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  SPEAKER_03: uh,
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  SPEAKER_03: you sort of have to be of a certain age maybe to,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: appreciate it.
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  SPEAKER_01: A certain age and a certain, um, maybe, uh, musical taste.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Tell us who you were hobnobbing with.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um,
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  SPEAKER_01: well,
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  SPEAKER_01: um,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think many who might know me from even mentioning it on this podcast,
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  SPEAKER_01: I've been longtime friends.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um,
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  long time now i realize how long it's been because it's super
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  fresh but since i was
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  uh like 19 with alice and cheryl cooper uh dear friends cheryl
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  was in my first
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  wedding um they're very much like family which makes this a
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  little bit odd that i
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  experienced this because when i realized that he is the father
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  of shock rock
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's a big jump.
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  SPEAKER_01: But to see him in his home is one thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: But they celebrated 50 years of marriage the end of March.
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  SPEAKER_01: And to celebrate that, they wanted to renew their vows.
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  SPEAKER_01: And because they are the people that they are, boy, did they blew it up.
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  SPEAKER_01: with the renewing of the voucher.
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  SPEAKER_01: They had a wedding.
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  The first time they married,
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  they married on a rooftop in Acapulco,
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  very small crowd.
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  SPEAKER_01: This was about 200 of their closest friends and it was amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was just something else.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now,
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  SPEAKER_01: I recognized people's faces mostly,
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  but I spoke to people in a way that would indicate that this
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  was not my lane.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then just discovered that,
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  SPEAKER_01: oh,
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  SPEAKER_01: you might be Marilyn Manson or you might be,
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: it was that kind of night.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I went by myself.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was really it was just epic.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I don't use that word very much,
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  but it was anyone who's pretty much anyone in that genre of
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  rock and roll.
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  maybe a little earlier but beyond i sat and visited with the
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  original members of
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  his band i didn't know they were the original members of his
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  band at the time but
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  they were very warm to me and kind of filled me in and then um
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  uh duff i did not
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  SPEAKER_01: know that name but duff
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  uh was uh the lead guitarist for probably 12 years from guns
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  and roses and also
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  plays with alice and the hollywood vampires it was just old
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  school judas priest uh
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  so like like you know those are the folks that i was told
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  growing up they're a
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  little older than me um but i was told growing growing up don't
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  there's don't
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  listen to their music backwards because they'll send you
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  straight down yeah that's
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  SPEAKER_01: right but
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  Anyway,
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  not that it wasn't,
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  you know,
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  it would send you to hell listening to it forwards,
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  too.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  No,
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  but you're going to you're going to hear some wonderful things
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  about Satan.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you listen to it's called backward masking, wasn't it?
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  SPEAKER_03: Backward masking.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: What a what a hoax.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now, part of the reason why I had to talk about this is
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  SPEAKER_03: Listeners may or may not know that Alice Cooper,
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  SPEAKER_03: Alice and his wife,
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  SPEAKER_03: are very deeply committed Christian people,
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  SPEAKER_03: followers of Jesus.
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  And it doesn't quite seem to fit what you think about
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  originally when you think of Alice Cooper.
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  SPEAKER_03: But he's a man who is known here in Arizona,
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  SPEAKER_03: especially in the Phoenix area,
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  as being extremely charitable and kind and giving and
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  supportive of a lot of
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  SPEAKER_03: different people.
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  SPEAKER_03: and has his own kind of solid rock.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think it's solid rock, youth centers or something like that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So he's very, very committed to his faith.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I didn't get this far, but I won't go on and on.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that is what gave me chill bumps.
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  SPEAKER_01: When I say epic, it's quite something to go watch.
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  SPEAKER_01: They have a little bitty mini clip and they'll be putting more stuff out.
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  SPEAKER_01: But what was also just chill bumpy is...
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  SPEAKER_01: at the beginning of the service,
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  SPEAKER_01: full-blown wedding,
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  SPEAKER_01: mind you,
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  SPEAKER_01: like Alice looked so handsome,
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  SPEAKER_01: Cheryl stunning.
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  Their family was the wedding party for the most part with his
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  longtime manager and
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  SPEAKER_01: then her sister.
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  But they played the Lord bless you and keep you,
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  make his face shine upon you,
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  be gracious.
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  I can't think of the name of the song,
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  but it says,
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  then there comes a part in the song
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  that says and your children and their children and their
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  children and then their
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  children's children started coming down the aisle like a baby
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  they were so bold in
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  there um i guess bold isn't the appropriate word necessarily
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  because that sounds
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  like it's an effort this was so natural for them to share the
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  success of their 50
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  SPEAKER_01: years was
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  SPEAKER_01: uh, to God be the glory.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, uh, the, her dad married them 50 years ago and he's 92.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you didn't look at him, you wouldn't know he was 92.
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  He married them again and,
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  and use some of the same sermon from his first time.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was just a real beautiful testimony of their.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  I did a,
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  uh,
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  funeral for a long time friend,
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  uh,
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  a couple of days ago,
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  uh,
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  SPEAKER_03: met him first at Community Church of Joy almost 40 years ago.
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  I mean,
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  one of the first guys I met there and that was his favorite
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  verse.
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  And I think we said it probably six times during his sermon was
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  from that Exodus,
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  SPEAKER_03: may the Lord bless you and keep you.
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  And I think as I get older and we start facing more stuff,
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  it becomes far more important.
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  SPEAKER_03: And more profound and powerful.
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  SPEAKER_03: The Lord bless you and keep you and smile always on you.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's just powerful stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Jerry.
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  SPEAKER_03: You bet.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, John, you have been busy.
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  SPEAKER_03: Tell us what you Googled.
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  SPEAKER_03: And, of course, Googling is sort of like Kleenex.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's not really Kleenex.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's tissue.
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  SPEAKER_03: And Googling isn't really Googling.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's doing web searches.
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  SPEAKER_03: It used to be Yahoo.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm using the search engine, unbranded search engine of my choice.
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  SPEAKER_02: But basically what I was trying to figure out was nationwide,
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  what are the most searched search terms that are loosely
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  related to Christianity?
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because some, like, and number one is a good example.
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  SPEAKER_02: It might not mention Christianity,
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  but I was looking for stuff that was loosely related to
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  Christianity or had that
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  SPEAKER_02: kind of flavor to it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we're just going to walk through a few of them.
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  SPEAKER_03: We'll comment on some.
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  John kind of had some stuff that teased out a little bit what
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  the questions were saying.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's just kind of an interesting perspective to kind of hear.
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  We see so much right now on the news of a Christianity that's
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  kind of filtered
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  SPEAKER_03: through a particular...
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  SPEAKER_03: almost Christian nationalist lens.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's about political power.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's about grievance.
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  Christians are being persecuted in the United States of
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  America,
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  so on and so forth.
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  And that seems to be what Christianity is here in the United
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  States of America.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I think what John was finding was that's not necessarily the case.
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  That's not really where people are when it comes to really deep
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  questions of life,
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  SPEAKER_03: faith,
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  SPEAKER_03: death,
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  SPEAKER_03: hope,
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  SPEAKER_03: all those things.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I don't think that this,
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  SPEAKER_02: these questions are going to,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: when,
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  SPEAKER_02: when I read the questions,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think most people will think,
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  SPEAKER_02: okay,
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  SPEAKER_02: that,
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  SPEAKER_03: that makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_02: But certainly this is completely unfiltered.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just, it's just what sort of America is looking for right now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  So we don't really have to have a drum roll,
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  but are you ready for number one?
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, wait a minute.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let me give you a drummer.
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  SPEAKER_03: Here it is.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: There we go.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: That was more of a buildup than I was hoping for.
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  So the number one question,
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  according to my research,
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  is does life have a purpose?
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  SPEAKER_02: Does life have a purpose?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I think you're absolutely right.
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  You'd say,
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  oh,
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  yeah,
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  that sort of makes sense that people would ask that question.
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  SPEAKER_02: It reminds me about, Tim, about the Rick Warren book right away, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: The Purpose Driven Life.
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  And the very first line in The Purpose Driven Life is,
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  it's not about you.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's my contribution.
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  SPEAKER_03: So let's tease that one out for a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because part of me says, yeah, I get what you're saying.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: But at the same time,
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  SPEAKER_03: I think what the gospel says is,
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  SPEAKER_03: from God's point of view,
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  SPEAKER_03: it is all about you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I knew you were going to say that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Does that make sense?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, it does.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm so glad you said it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Purpose driven life starts with, it's not about you.
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  The purpose of your life is far greater than your own personal
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  fulfillment,
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  SPEAKER_02: your peace of mind,
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  SPEAKER_02: or even happiness far greater than your family,
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  SPEAKER_02: your career,
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  SPEAKER_02: or even your wildest dreams.
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  If you want to know why you were placed on this planet,
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  you must begin with God.
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  SPEAKER_02: You were born by his purpose and for his purpose.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I, um, I think I could, um,
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  SPEAKER_03: I love Rick.
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  SPEAKER_03: I know Rick personally.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm going to drop names now.
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  SPEAKER_03: I knew Rick personally years ago.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now, whether he would recognize me in a crowd, I have no idea.
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  SPEAKER_03: But he and I went out to lunch once.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you took a set of staff out there, remember?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we went out to his church.
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  SPEAKER_03: So here's where I rest a little bit with...
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think Rick was spot on.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's why the book did so well.
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  SPEAKER_03: People are looking for purpose.
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  SPEAKER_03: And people want to feel fulfilled.
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  SPEAKER_03: They want to feel like their life matters.
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  SPEAKER_03: Their life has meaning.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that can oftentimes make us self-absorbed.
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  SPEAKER_03: Then it becomes about, well, I've got to feel good about myself.
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  SPEAKER_03: And right now, in a world where...
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  SPEAKER_03: kids are growing up and their,
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  SPEAKER_03: their greatest hope and dream is to become an influencer on YouTube.
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  Um,
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  it does say that we have some work to do in terms of what
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  really matters in life.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think Rick is spot on saying it begins with God.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I, uh, it's, it, purpose is an interesting thing, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_03: Everybody sort of thinks of purpose differently.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um,
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  SPEAKER_03: Is my purpose on earth specific?
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, did God create me to do this one thing and I got to find it?
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  SPEAKER_03: Is my purpose to just embrace all of life?
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  SPEAKER_03: Is my purpose, you know, to serve, to give my life away?
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think we've already talked about this a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think in part,
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  SPEAKER_03: and this is where Rick and I would say the same thing,
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  SPEAKER_03: maybe a little bit differently,
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  SPEAKER_03: maybe not.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think purpose in life,
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  SPEAKER_03: your purpose in life is to live like the loved child of God that you are.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's your purpose in life.
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  SPEAKER_03: To live like the loved child of God that you are.
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  SPEAKER_03: And when you think about, and I'll let you guys reflect on that then.
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  When I think about when I was raising my kids or even watching
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  my grandkids grow,
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  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't about, all right, you have to do this one thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: I just wanted them to experience love,
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  SPEAKER_03: to know that they're safe,
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  SPEAKER_03: that they're loved by mom and dad,
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  and to kind of live like that and just explore life and kind of
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  see where it takes
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  SPEAKER_03: you rather than saying,
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  SPEAKER_03: all right,
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  SPEAKER_03: you're my son,
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  SPEAKER_03: you're my daughter,
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  SPEAKER_03: so now you're going to do this thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: And this is what your purpose looks like.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I know that that's true in some homes.
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  You were born,
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  and so you're going to inherit the business,
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  and you're going to whatever.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I think really,
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  if we want to set people free a little bit from being
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  self-absorbed or being so
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  SPEAKER_03: caught up,
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  SPEAKER_03: am I doing the right thing?
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  SPEAKER_03: Just live like you're loved.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because you are.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're God's beloved son.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're God's beloved daughter.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right, go.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  I think that on this particular question,
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  I keep thinking,
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  and find a way to serve others.
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  SPEAKER_02: And for some of us,
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  it might be a spouse or it might be children or maybe both of
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  those things,
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  SPEAKER_02: or it might be volunteering somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it seems like the beauty of life is really around,
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  SPEAKER_02: like you said,
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  SPEAKER_02: trying not to be so self-absorbed,
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  SPEAKER_02: just mildly self-absorbed,
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  SPEAKER_02: but then also finding a way to serve,
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  SPEAKER_03: to make other people more important.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think that's what love does, though.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: When you know you're loved, you want to give that love away.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_03: I think when people are insecure about whether or not they're loved,
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_03: they start to sort of pull into themselves.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_03: People, you've heard this analogy before.
• 16:51
  When you're on the airplane and those masks come down,
• 16:56
  who are you supposed to put it on first?
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yourself.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yourself.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_03: And then put it on to your kids.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_03: And there's just this thing about,
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_03: when I am contained and loved and secure,
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_03: then I can love and make others secure.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_03: When I'm insecure, I just spread that insecurity around.
• 17:24
  And I think that there are some people,
• 17:30
  I'm one of them,
• 17:31
  Terry's one of them,
• 17:33
  I'm going to let John comment on his own in a minute because he
• 17:36
  sort of had a lot
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: of different hats he's been wearing.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_03: I found my niche,
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_03: and I found it when I was in second grade,
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: and I've lived in that niche all of my life.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_03: Now,
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_03: it's taken on a whole different form than I ever imagined,
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_03: but I found my very specific calling.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_03: Gary, as an actress, found it.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't happen for everyone.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_03: For some people, John, I'll let you speak for yourself a little bit.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: You...
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_03: Having certain giftings that you have used in different settings.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_03: And so it wasn't necessarily a specific job you were called into,
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: but I have a certain particular set of skills.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's right.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I certainly have found joy in many places.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm certainly,
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_02: like the young kids today,
• 18:27
  happy to bounce around from profession to profession and remake
• 18:31
  myself in new ways.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: And that has been itself its own challenge and its own joy, no question.
• 18:38
  But I think the purpose for me is,
• 18:44
  I certainly,
• 18:44
  I think your profession is a component of it.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: And then I also think that
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
• 18:50
  you spend all this time and certainly we have spent our fair
• 18:53
  share of time in this
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_02: podcast talking about trying to understand how God loves you.
• 18:58
  And I think any time you can get just a little just a little
• 19:02
  insight into that.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: First of all, you'll never truly understand all of it.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: But every time you get just a little insight into that,
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: it can really be,
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: can really slap you upside the head.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: So tell me how.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: yeah,
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_02: I just think that the the insight of,
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: and like any other relationship,
• 19:28
  certainly my relationship with God has its high points and low
• 19:31
  points and you feel
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: close and you feel farther apart.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: And and I think that's just a normal part of sort of any relationship.
• 19:40
  But I don't know,
• 19:42
  Terry,
• 19:42
  you know,
• 19:42
  I I'm going to talk about this on the next podcast,
• 19:46
  but I
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_02: when you talked about grief on a podcast,
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: there were moments while you were talking where I had insight.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_03: I felt like I had some insight into how much God loves us and it's,
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: it can be transient,
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: but it also can be,
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_02: um,
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: uh,
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: sort of cataclysmic in your life.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that that's,
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: that's the,
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: when,
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: when,
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: when Tim keeps drawing us back to like live like you're loved,
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: that just makes me think about how do I,
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_02: how do I understand that more often?
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: so Tim,
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: when I hear you say that,
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: then I feel like,
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: well,
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: then in part,
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: is that not the definition of my purpose is to,
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: is,
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: am I getting my instructions?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's so weird that,
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: that that is what came up,
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: John,
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: because I have in,
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: in,
• 20:38
  I've continued to see a counselor and it's evolved from just
• 20:43
  the night that
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Jonathan died.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: There are traumatic injuries.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: ramifications from that.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: But I,
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: one of the things that I've just been looking at,
• 20:51
  it's not that I wouldn't have looked at this anyway in my life
• 20:54
  or didn't already is
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: this idea of purpose because I don't know what I think about it.
• 21:03
  Um,
• 21:04
  and I have thought about that book that,
• 21:08
  but that,
• 21:08
  that,
• 21:10
  um,
• 21:10
  uh,
• 21:11
  Rick wrote and,
• 21:13
  I think I was motivated by that when I read that book,
• 21:17
  whenever I read that book.
• 21:18
  And I'm putting a little emphasis on this to kind of depict
• 21:23
  this feeling that I
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: have of pressure.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: And when you said,
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: Tim,
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: to live like the person that I am that is loved by God,
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: by a loved person,
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: all of a sudden I feel pressure leaving me.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: because it seems to,
• 21:45
  to bring like level out this playing field that I think either
• 21:51
  is where we become
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: consumed with ourselves.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, uh, and, and it's all about us or the opposite.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's, it's all about everyone else.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a teeter totter thing.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: But if I, I would give a hunch to say, cause I've
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: of the way it feels inside of me.
• 22:13
  And I know I've already been thinking along these lines that if
• 22:16
  I am able to spend
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: time with God and understand how much I'm loved,
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: that is going to instruct me.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: That is going to point to things that I would go, oh, okay.
• 22:32
  I just think purpose kind of feels like it has to have a
• 22:35
  measurement to it.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: And that feels anxious to me.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: There's a guy, he's pretty famous, lived 2,000 years ago, named Jesus.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: And I think he kind of said it this way,
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_03: love the Lord your God with all your heart,
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_03: soul,
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_03: mind,
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_03: and strength,
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_03: and love your neighbor as yourself.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_03: And that summarizes the law and the Gospels.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that summarizes what God is about.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: Love God, love neighbor as you love yourself.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_03: And if we could sort of live and swim around in that kind of grace,
• 23:21
  the other kinds of things then begin to become just parts of
• 23:27
  this deeper life Jesus
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: has for us,
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_03: which is a life of love and grace and compassion.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_03: John, if I could skip down to question, I think it's number four.
• 23:42
  Number four was,
• 23:45
  and we're skipping some good ones here,
• 23:49
  is Christianity too narrow?
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_03: There you go.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_03: That's a great question.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_03: Is Christianity too narrow?
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_03: And that's a charge that's level of Christianity all the time.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_02: It is, yep.
• 24:09
  yeah this is about this is about whether or not um christianity
• 24:13
  is exclusive yeah
• 24:16
  yeah in comparison to other let's say major world religions
• 24:21
  that seem to be more
• 24:22
  open to anybody or or i think i think this question has to do
• 24:27
  with i see other
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: religions that say we're just one way to to sort of get to god
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: to have a relationship with God.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: You can choose your way.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: You can choose our way.
• 24:38
  You can choose another way,
• 24:39
  but they're all just different ways to get to the same God.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: That doesn't seem to be an option that Jesus leaves us in Christianity.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_03: First,
• 24:52
  I think it's important to say that it's not true that all paths
• 24:57
  lead to the same
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_03: God because the views that
• 25:03
  different religions have of God are very different than the God
• 25:07
  that Jesus talks about.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_03: And so you may follow this path or you may follow that path,
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_03: but that doesn't lead you to the God that Jesus talks about.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_03: It may lead to God, whatever, however you want to define God.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_03: But I think sometimes we, in a pluralistic culture in which we live,
• 25:33
  where we as Christian people want the right to worship the way
• 25:36
  that we worship,
• 25:37
  which means we also have to give other religions the right to
• 25:40
  worship the way they
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: want to worship,
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: and that we should be respectful of other religions.
• 25:48
  Sometimes it's easy to think that every religion believes in
• 25:51
  the same God,
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_03: but that's just not the case.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_03: Some gods are...
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_03: for lack of a better word, intangible.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_03: They're just spirits.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: They're feelings.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_03: Some gods live in the trees and in the ground.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_03: Some gods are just downright cruel,
• 26:17
  although you could misunderstand that to be true of the Hebrew
• 26:23
  God or Jesus God in
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_03: some ways.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_03: But the God that Jesus talks about is a radically different kind of God.
• 26:31
  And we've talked about this in previous podcasts,
• 26:36
  and I'm reading a new book on this.
• 26:37
  There's a lot of research coming out now by people who aren't
• 26:41
  even Christian people
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: who are saying that basic beliefs that we have,
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_03: for example,
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_03: in the United States of America,
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_03: that all people are created equal,
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_03: that everybody has worth and value.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_03: that there should be justice and mercy,
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_03: that these are,
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: we believe,
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_03: because they've been around for a while,
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_03: that it's always been like that.
• 27:02
  But this is stuff that's radically different since Jesus came
• 27:05
  on the scene.
• 27:08
  And that Christian values have had a profound impact on Western
• 27:12
  civilization.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_03: And it traces itself certainly to Judaism,
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_03: but then to Jesus,
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: who actually lifted them to a whole different stratosphere.
• 27:22
  So Jesus talks about a radically different kind of God than
• 27:25
  most religions.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: Same God for the Jewish faith, of course.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_03: But the other thing that's striking is we've got this verse in the Bible.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_03: It basically says, Jesus says, I'm the way, the truth, and the life.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_03: No one comes to the Father except through me.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 27:40
  So you hear a lot of people say the only way to get to God is
• 27:43
  through Jesus.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what makes Christianity exclusive.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: But
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_03: What Christianity says is it's not exclusive.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's inclusive.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: Because all are welcome and all are invited.
• 28:03
  And the stories you have of Jesus where parties are being
• 28:06
  thrown and it's the
• 28:07
  crippled and the least of these and the vulnerable and the
• 28:10
  hungry and the social
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: outcasts who are invited to come.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_03: This is a Jesus who he doesn't say that
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_03: that you're only in if you do these things.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_03: He's saying, you're already in.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_03: You may not know it yet,
• 28:26
  but you're already in because of what I've done for you through
• 28:30
  my death and
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_03: resurrection.
• 28:32
  And so it is an inclusive religion in that it is offered to
• 28:37
  anyone and everyone.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: We have made it exclusive by putting,
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: as often happens,
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: by putting structures and rituals in place that
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: that sort of create boundaries around Christianity.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_03: But those are human made.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_03: Those aren't what Jesus intended.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_03: It was always when he would go to the Jews,
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: he'd go to Gentiles,
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_03: he'd welcome sinners and eat with them.
• 29:05
  This was a guy who broke every religious protocol you can think
• 29:09
  of to make sure
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_03: that everybody knew this is for everyone.
• 29:14
  And so I understand how people can think it's inclusive because
• 29:17
  you often hear
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_03: people say,
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_03: repent or you're going to hell.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: But that's not the gospel.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_03: The gospel is God loves you.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_03: God believes in you.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_03: This is why Jesus died and rose again for you.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: And so not why not be a part of the party?
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: Why not?
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_03: You want to tackle one more?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have a number?
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_03: Terry, pick a number one through seven.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have them.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_03: Just pick a number.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: I went through seven.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: I thought you meant, I'm sorry.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't listening.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't listening.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: I confess.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't listening.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't listening.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't, I wasn't.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think you should pick seven.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I said it, John.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: I did without you prompting.
• 30:17
  So read the question,
• 30:18
  John,
• 30:18
  and because Terry picked it,
• 30:19
  she gets to answer it.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't say that.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: Question number seven.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: Who was the Arizona Actress of the Year in night?
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: I don't really care.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: Question number seven is, is the Bible reliable?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: Is the Bible reliable?
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm not.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_03: So mine says eight or six.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it does.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_03: My number says, I know God personally.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: We've only done 99 of these.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_02: We don't really have a structure or a strategy yet.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: So,
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: Tim,
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: you get to pick,
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: is the Bible reliable,
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: which is a great question,
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: or can I know God personally?
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go with number seven,
• 31:01
  and then I will sort of tease out why I'm going to wait on the
• 31:03
  Bible reliable here.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: Can I know God personally?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: Almost all humans seek a personal connection.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_02: uh,
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_02: with the divine or personal understanding,
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: uh,
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_02: as they move towards what some people call an experiential faith.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's the, uh, description of that question I'm wondering.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: And this is going to be a great answer because a lot of times in,
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_03: in mainstream church,
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: you hear it's all about a personal relationship.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah,
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_03: I think that there is embedded in humanity,
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_03: and depending on what your perspective is on what that means,
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: psychologically,
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: evolutionary perspective,
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_03: and so on and so forth,
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_03: there is something about...
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_03: This almost goes back to the first question.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_03: This need to know the divine, the sacred, is a meaning question.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's a purpose question.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_03: Is there more to
• 32:12
  us then the 50 60 70 80 90 years I'm going to live is there
• 32:20
  something that that
• 32:22
  makes my life that makes humanity unique that that does give us
• 32:30
  purpose right that
• 32:32
  says there's something more it's this not just mundane stuff
• 32:37
  there's something
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: sacred something spiritual
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_03: about the way that we live.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_03: And,
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 32:47
  you can look at a lot of different ways that people try to fill
• 32:50
  that little
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_03: question.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_03: Some do it through, you know, seeking out the sacred and divine.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_03: Some do it through seeking out other things.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_03: Some try to numb it or whatever it might be, right?
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_03: There's just something deep in our core that says, do we have a sacred...
• 33:11
  something something about us and um go ahead do you think we're
• 33:17
  made tim do you
• 33:18
  think um god created people to have sort of this innate desire
• 33:25
  to seek him and to
• 33:26
  know him and to love him like that's just part of the fiber of
• 33:29
  who we are well i
• 33:31
  think scripture would certainly suggest that if if we're
• 33:34
  created in the image of
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_03: god
• 33:37
  then we're going to have this hunger to connect with the image
• 33:41
  we're created in.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_03: We're going to want to know where did we come from?
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_03: Why are we here?
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think this is a bigger question than what is my purpose in life.
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  I think this is more about is there a sacredness,
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  a holiness about the human story
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  SPEAKER_03: and my part in it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, does it matter in the scheme of things if we're here?
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  And again,
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  that comes to purpose,
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  but it seems to me just to feel a little bit heftier.
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  SPEAKER_03: But in the end, I think
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  SPEAKER_03: the answer Jesus would give, can I know God personally?
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  SPEAKER_03: Jesus would say two words.
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  SPEAKER_03: What do you think those two words would be?
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  SPEAKER_02: I am.
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  SPEAKER_03: Good guess, Terry.
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  SPEAKER_03: What do you think Jesus would say?
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  SPEAKER_03: Terry's thinking.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, I am thinking.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think Jesus would say, follow me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's so obvious once you hear it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: But that's why I asked the question.
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  If you'd asked me the question,
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  I would have come up with the wrong answer.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I know God personally, and Jesus said, yeah, follow me.
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  SPEAKER_03: And let's discover this.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, go ahead, Terry.
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  No,
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  like,
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  what does,
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  and I don't want to say it out loud because I might be missing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Say it out loud.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, so God created us for why?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why did he
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  SPEAKER_01: do that.
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  I think God created us because God wanted someone to shower
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  God's love on.
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  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_03: That if God is love, love's got to go somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's got to be shared with someone.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you want to share it with someone who
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  can experience it who can reciprocate it and you know we don't
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  know what the
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  heavenly court looked like if there was even a heavenly court
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  but i think god
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  created us because god has so much love to give that he wanted
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  human beings to
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  experience that love yeah so to me that kind of answers the
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  question i guess a
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  SPEAKER_01: little bit for me
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  SPEAKER_01: that in the activeness of loving,
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  SPEAKER_01: that's kind of a ground floor or,
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  wouldn't you say a relationship is part of letting that love
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  transfer back and
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  SPEAKER_01: forth?
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  So that me being curious and seeking God and having that divine
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  within me would,
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  I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a hunger for love, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a hunger for love.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Which if God is love, then it's a hunger for God.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  As they sing and Les Mis,
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  which may very well star Terry Summers someday.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: To love another person is to see the face of God.
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  SPEAKER_00: Gee, that is such a good lyric.
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  SPEAKER_03: Isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: To love another person is to see the face of God.
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  SPEAKER_03: So probably a good one to end with.
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  SPEAKER_03: So next week, we have so much planned.
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  SPEAKER_03: Whoops.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's my phone.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sorry.
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  SPEAKER_03: We have so much planned, I think.
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  SPEAKER_03: Don't we?
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  SPEAKER_03: No?
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  SPEAKER_03: We do.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's our 100th episode.
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  SPEAKER_03: And basically what we're going to do,
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_03: just so you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: is we're going to reflect on the first 99 episodes,
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  SPEAKER_03: talk about some of our favorites,
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  SPEAKER_03: some of the things that we've learned,
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  SPEAKER_03: some of the things that we're still wrestling with.
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  And then after that one,
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  the 101st one,
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  I think at this point,
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  tentatively,
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  we have scheduled...
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  SPEAKER_03: John, who have we scheduled?
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_03: Because you're the one who booked.
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  We have a surprise guest that is a callback to one of our most
• 38:04
  popular episodes.
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  We have the technical advisor,
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  who's a Catholic priest,
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  to the latest Knives Out installment.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  And basically,
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  it's going to be so great,
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  the three of us don't even need to show up.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_03: Nope.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_03: But we will, because we're so curious about it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  Yeah.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so if you haven't heard that Knives Out one,
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  SPEAKER_03: go back and take a listen to that,
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_03: watch the movie.
• 38:29
  And then after that,
• 38:30
  I'm thinking it would be fun to do a kind of a Christianity
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  101.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we'll kind of come up with a list of some basics.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_03: What are some, you know, you've got one here, I think, is Jesus God?
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  SPEAKER_03: Is the Bible reliable?
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, these are some of the, what is the gospel?
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_03: And again,
• 38:52
  we hear so many contradictory versions of it these days that
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  we'll spend some time
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  SPEAKER_03: just doing a little Bible 101.
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  SPEAKER_03: So that's what's coming up.
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  We've gone about eight minutes over,
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  nine minutes over our usual time,
• 39:04
  but that's all right.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_03: It was so interesting, wasn't it?
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_03: Terry was barely listening.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's not an indication of interest level.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_03: That's deep thinking happening in the background.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_03: I thought it was ADHD, but yeah, okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: We'll be back with you next time for number 100.
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  SPEAKER_03: Share it with a friend.