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The Season with Peter Schrager: LA Rams President Kevin Demoff · Best of the NFL Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schrager is a production of the
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  Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's up, everybody, Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the season. I'm Peter Schrager. I'm joined by my friend
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  Speaker 1: and producer Slash Wingman on this thing, mister Aaron wang Kaufman,
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  Speaker 1: who seems to have a pep in his step right
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  Speaker 1: now because Aaron's team, the Bills, went from being the
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  Speaker 1: eleven seed a few months ago to now sitting pretty
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  Speaker 1: in the two spot of the AFC playoffs, getting a TJ.
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  Speaker 1: Wattless Steelers coming in having a home game the following
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  Speaker 1: week if they win that one. Aaron, if I told
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  Speaker 1: you before the season started and all the drama and
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  Speaker 1: everything that you'd be the two seed in the AFC,
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  Speaker 1: would you sign? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean I would happily accept that. There
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  Speaker 2: was a time, I'm sure like on this show, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that I was down trodden and was like, we're not
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  Speaker 2: gonna make it. We're a mess, We're not even going
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  Speaker 2: to be in the playoff race, like eoring it up
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  Speaker 2: over here and here we are.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we could go through the files
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  Speaker 1: and I was actually really bullish after a loss when
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  Speaker 1: they lost it at Eagles. I came on here and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, there's actually a path if they get
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  Speaker 1: their crap together during the bye week that they can
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  Speaker 1: do this. They haven't lost since. It hasn't been pretty.
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  Speaker 1: I mean again, I told you last week like this
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  Speaker 1: isn't like this red hot team coming in. It has
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  Speaker 1: not been pretty. They threw two red zone turnovers. They
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  Speaker 1: barely won last week, but everyone else lost also. So
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  Speaker 1: here we are the two seed bills and then whether
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  Speaker 1: or not it was pretty or not, there's no standings
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  Speaker 1: for aesthetics. And they're where they are and they're likely
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  Speaker 1: hosting Patrick Mahomes in the second round of the playoffs,
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  Speaker 1: and that's something you would have signed up for before
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  Speaker 1: this season. Let's move right along. The matchups are great,
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  Speaker 1: but if you listen to this podcast, you're in the
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  Speaker 1: coaching hiring and firing world. So much going on right now.
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  Speaker 1: You can find the different lists of the different teams
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  Speaker 1: and what's going on real quick. Hard wins the national
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  Speaker 1: title this week. He has a head start on all
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  Speaker 1: of these coaches due to the NFL's Rooney Rule and
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  Speaker 1: the way things have been shaken out during the Competition Committee.
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  Speaker 1: This past year, no coach currently with an NFL job,
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  Speaker 1: whether it be head coach or a coordinator, can interview
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  Speaker 1: for any other jobs until January twenty first, which is
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  Speaker 1: after the divisional round of the playoffs. Harball, however, he's
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  Speaker 1: exempt from that, so he gets first DIBs on this. Now,
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  Speaker 1: every team is going to have to go through the
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  Speaker 1: Rooney rule. He can't just meet Harbaugh on higher him.
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  Speaker 1: You have to meet at least you know fit those requirements,
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  Speaker 1: meet minority candidates, meet people of color, and then you
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  Speaker 1: can make your decision. But Harball, hypothetically speaking Aaron this week,
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  Speaker 1: he can knock them all out. First impression is important.
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  Speaker 1: He can say, here's who my staff is. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: this thing going and a team almost. I guess by
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  Speaker 1: you know, a formality, we'll meet with other candidates. And
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's not what the NFL I was looking for.
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  Speaker 1: But I think Harbor is really interesting for the LA Chargers.
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  Speaker 1: I've mentioned this on Good Morning Football. I've been saying
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  Speaker 1: it for weeks. I'm sure they're doing their due diligence
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  Speaker 1: on several candidates, and they've put offers or submission for
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  Speaker 1: a question. But Harbor, to me, you're talking about a
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  Speaker 1: guy who has won right away everywhere he's gone. That's
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  Speaker 1: the University of San Diego, that is Stanford, that is
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  Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers, and that is Michigan. And he
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  Speaker 1: does it almost overnight. That is what the Chargers need
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  Speaker 1: right now. They are in a fight for relevance. They
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  Speaker 1: are playing in Los Angeles, which has a bigger team
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  Speaker 1: than them in the Rams right now as far as
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  Speaker 1: relevance and wins. Talking about the USC and UCLA, USC
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  Speaker 1: of course just had Kayleb Williams, a recent Heisman winner.
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  Speaker 1: UCLA just got to commit from Hasselbeck's kid, who's one
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  Speaker 1: of the highest rated prospects. You've got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: things to do in LA. They're opening up a brand
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  Speaker 1: new facility that's supposed to be insanely cool in Orange County.
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  Speaker 1: They've got this quarterback under contract in Justin Herbert, and
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  Speaker 1: they've got a fledgling fan base in LA that's looking
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  Speaker 1: for a reason to believe. To me, that's the fit
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  Speaker 1: for Harball go there. Maybe in the last time around,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't maybe five years ago for the Chargers, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't at this moment in time that franchise they need
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  Speaker 1: a leader. They don't have a GM right now. Let
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  Speaker 1: Harball come in as the coach, figure out who he
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  Speaker 1: wants to bring in as GM. Let him have the power,
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  Speaker 1: hand it over to him. Fix us. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if he's for everybody, but I think the Chargers make
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  Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Also, as we're recording this, Mike
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  Speaker 1: Vrabel and the Titans are no longer together. Verbel was
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  Speaker 1: just let go by Tennessee and Amy Adams Strunk the owner.
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  Speaker 1: She put out a statement saying they redid the front
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  Speaker 1: office last year. They gave this a year of him
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  Speaker 1: and ran Carthon and what they're doing in the front office,
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  Speaker 1: and they're now going to relook at how they have
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  Speaker 1: their coaching staff assembled. Vrabel not for everybody, tough but
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  Speaker 1: also a winner. He's a former Coach of the Year
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  Speaker 1: and several plays are swear by him and say that
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  Speaker 1: he's a player's coach. As tough as he can be.
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  Speaker 1: He might not be everybody, be for everybody, but I
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  Speaker 1: think he's going to be a viable candidate for all
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  Speaker 1: these different vacant head coaching jobs. And I tweeted this
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  Speaker 1: out Aaron, and I think it's interesting that coach of
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  Speaker 1: the Year award. It really means because you get a
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  Speaker 1: piece of hardware and it's cool, But in a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ways it really means nothing. In the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of years, we've seen Jason Garrett win it and fired
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  Speaker 1: shortly thereafter. So Ron Rivera win it after a fifteen
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  Speaker 1: to one season with the Panthers. A couple of years later,
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  Speaker 1: David Tepper fires him. Matt Nagy won it. Three years
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  Speaker 1: later he's fired by the Chicago Bears, and Mike Rabel
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  Speaker 1: wanted a couple of years ago when the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: was in La I remember being at SOFI talking to
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  Speaker 1: him at the NFL honors those two years ago. Fired,
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  Speaker 1: so the NFL Coach of the Year. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: it's a cursed award or it's bad luck, but usually
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  Speaker 1: it goes to a guy that can turn a team
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  Speaker 1: around overnight or can get a team to make a
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  Speaker 1: giant leap despite great adversity. It doesn't mean you're given
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  Speaker 1: a Supreme Court justice job and you can't be fired.
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  Speaker 1: Rabel's just the late head Coach of the Year winner
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  Speaker 1: who is fired by that very same team. Last, but
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  Speaker 1: not least, I want to talk real quick about the
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  Speaker 1: matchups this weekend. We've got great ones. The schedule as
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  Speaker 1: you see it. I'm going to use this as a
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  Speaker 1: public service announcement as we're doing it. It's AFC, AFC AFC.
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  Speaker 1: Then the three NFC games follow, with the Monday Night
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  Speaker 1: game being on Monday with the with the Eagles traveling
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  Speaker 1: to Tampa and what becomes a very interesting game where
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  Speaker 1: they played earlier this season. The Eagles absolutely walloped them
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  Speaker 1: down there in Florida, and right now I can't see
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  Speaker 1: that same Eagles team doing that. But I want to
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  Speaker 1: make a public service announcement for Saturday Night. I don't
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  Speaker 1: work for these guys. I've never worked for these guys,
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  Speaker 1: but the game is exclusively on Peacock. Aaron, do you
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  Speaker 1: have Peacock?
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  Speaker 2: I do only because what was it two to three
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: The Bills game?
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  Speaker 2: That want it for the Bills game, and then last
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  Speaker 2: night it was good to have. Because this is all irrelevant.
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  Speaker 2: But there's this like Direct TV streaming debate or like
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  Speaker 2: they don't have the rights.
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  Speaker 1: Oh doke TV. I'm not friends with DirecTV. They did
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  Speaker 1: me no, but no favors. They're not with the NFL anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't stream Sunday night football unless it's on
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  Speaker 2: Peacock now interesting, or I watch the Spanish language version,
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  Speaker 2: So okay, I do that sometimes. So I do now
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  Speaker 2: have Peacock in order to watch the Bills game, and
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  Speaker 2: then this Saturday night I'll be able to watch the
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  Speaker 2: Dolphins game. But I do think even though we had
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  Speaker 2: Mike North on here talking about it, you're still going
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  Speaker 2: to have people who are gonna forget.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and not only forget, not have the service. And
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  Speaker 1: this is the gamble that the NFL and NBC took.
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  Speaker 1: They said, we're going to pay big money. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to put one of these games on our streamers to
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  Speaker 1: promote the streamer. People are already crushing the decision. I've
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  Speaker 1: seen Bill Simmons crush it. I've seen Chris Russo crush it.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen Mike Francesa crush it. Okay, Well, the more
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  Speaker 1: you crush it, the more the publicity around it increases.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a surprise the NFL said we're
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  Speaker 1: throwing the Chiefs on there. That legitimate is is Peacock.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't the earlier game between the Browns and the Texans,
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  Speaker 1: which a lot of people might say, well, that's not
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  Speaker 1: a matchup. This is defending champions are on Peacock. The
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  Speaker 1: defending champions are on Peacock, and they're facing Tyreek Hill
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  Speaker 1: in his first game back in Iowhead. Mike Triko from
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  Speaker 1: what I gather, is on the call. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that's been announced yet, and I have to edit that out.
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  Speaker 1: I've been told that that's not from NBC. But someone
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  Speaker 1: said Tarico is doing multiple games this week, which is
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  Speaker 1: mega and legitimizes it in a lot of ways. So
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  Speaker 1: maybe Taylor swifts in the building, maybe Travis Kelcey goes wild.
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  Speaker 1: But that game is on Peacock. And as you know,
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  Speaker 1: there will be many questions the day of from your uncle,
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  Speaker 1: from your aunt, from your friend. Where's this game? How
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  Speaker 1: the hell do I get this game? Can I stream
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  Speaker 1: this game Peacock? It is on Peacock, Help them sign
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  Speaker 1: up for an account. Get encouraging that I don't work
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  Speaker 1: for those guys. I'm just telling you where it is.
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  Speaker 1: I can sit up there. I'm not chilling for Peacock.
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  Speaker 1: It was up to me. All the games will be
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  Speaker 1: on Fox. Right here we go. Our guest is a
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  Speaker 1: guy that I really respect. He is the president of
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  Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams. And there is no person I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to speak with more this week than someone who's
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  Speaker 1: had a bird's eye view of all of this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: The golf, Stafford trade, the move to Los Angeles, and
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  Speaker 1: of course the season that has been one of the
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  Speaker 1: most surprising and uplifting ones in all the football that
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  Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams have had. I'm really excited to
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  Speaker 1: speak with Kevin Deboff, the president of the Rams. Right
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  Speaker 1: to this. I've wanted to have our guests on the
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  Speaker 1: season with Peter Schrager every week this season and every
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  Speaker 1: week in the offseason. It hasn't come together. And then
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  Speaker 1: this week I begged him, considering the storylines at play
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  Speaker 1: and his vantage point at what I would imagine is
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  Speaker 1: the wildcard game of the weekend, the one that I'm
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  Speaker 1: most excited for. It's taking place Sunday night, It's in Detroit,
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  Speaker 1: It's their first home playoff game in thirty years. And
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  Speaker 1: oh who's coming to town. Sean McVay, Matthew Stafford and
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  Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams. This is the president of the
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams, for my money, maybe the smartest guy
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  Speaker 1: that I deal with on a day to day basis
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  Speaker 1: or a week to week basis, or in any conversations
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  Speaker 1: that we have. I feel like he's got the best
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  Speaker 1: thirty thousand foot view of the league and always provides
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  Speaker 1: insights and has done wonders in Los Angeles for this franchise.
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  Speaker 1: How's that for an intro? Kevin Demoff, President of the Rams,
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  Speaker 1: what's up, buddy?
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  Speaker 3: I think I should just end on that note, right,
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  Speaker 3: that's the mic drop of I've wanted to do the
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  Speaker 3: podcast too though, so this is we finally had a
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  Speaker 3: reason to do it. As we sit here on in
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  Speaker 3: Wildcard weekend. What a fun It's such a crazy time
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  Speaker 3: of year in the NFL. You have fourteen teams excited
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  Speaker 3: about Wildcard weekend and then probably the other half for
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  Speaker 3: dealing with something crazy on their own. So it's probably
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  Speaker 3: my favorite time of year in the NFL, just from
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  Speaker 3: a sheer excitement and interest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's where we're at. And like today
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  Speaker 1: on Good Morning Football, we started the show and we
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  Speaker 1: talked Belichick and then we went into Wink Martindale and
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  Speaker 1: then we went into Kirk Cousins' contract and we had
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of viewers being like, hello, there's fourteen teams
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  Speaker 1: playing football. But that's the crux right now. It's like
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  Speaker 1: we're at this intersection of teams trying to rebuild and
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  Speaker 1: do it on the fly in January, then the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the league who's still around actually trying to compete
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  Speaker 1: for a Super Bowl title. Let's start with the latter
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  Speaker 1: with you. This is to me, this is golf versus
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  Speaker 1: the Rams. This is Stafford versus the Lions. This is
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  Speaker 1: McVeigh versus Golf. This is oh storylines that are so
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  Speaker 1: rich and so seeped into personal intersections. You are the
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  Speaker 1: president of the Los Angeles Rams. You were the president
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  Speaker 1: of the Los Angeles Rams when they drafted Jared Goff
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  Speaker 1: out of cal first overall trading up to get him.
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  Speaker 1: And then you were the president of the Rams when
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  Speaker 1: you traded Jared Goff for Matthew Stafford. Let's go into
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  Speaker 1: the Jared and Matthew you know storyline. Let's start with
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  Speaker 1: the Jared Goff storyline and where the Rams and you
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  Speaker 1: personally stand as you look to travel to Detroit to
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  Speaker 1: face the guy that you guys took out of college
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  Speaker 1: and then eventually shipped off to go get Stafford. Where
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  Speaker 1: do you stand as far as Jared Goes and his
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  Speaker 1: relationship to the Los Angeles Rams franchise.
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  Speaker 3: Well, look, I love the idea of Matthew Stafford coming
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  Speaker 3: back to Detroit to play in the playoff game. I
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  Speaker 3: just wish it wasn't against Jared Golf right Like for
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  Speaker 3: me personally, I think for our franchise, if there's one
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  Speaker 3: person outside of our fifty three players I pull for
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  Speaker 3: on Sundays, it's Jared, and you know means so much
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  Speaker 3: to our franchise. He's the first pick we trade up
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  Speaker 3: in two thousand and sixteen. He's the first pick of
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  Speaker 3: the Los Angeles Rams in this era of twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I remember sitting down with him after the
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  Speaker 3: twenty sixteen season when we made the coaching change, in
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  Speaker 3: him looking me and saying, this will never happen again.
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  Speaker 3: I will promise you we will get this fixed, and
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  Speaker 3: we hire Sean. The next year, we go to the playoffs,
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  Speaker 3: we win the division, Jared goes to the Pro Bowl,
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  Speaker 3: We have the number one offense in the NFL. A
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  Speaker 3: year later, we're in the Super Bowl. You know, we
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  Speaker 3: went from two years of sitting in my office saying,
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  Speaker 3: I promise you, I will get this fixed to being
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  Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl, and that was you know, largely
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  Speaker 3: the Seawan Jared pairing, Jared's leadership, and I know it
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  Speaker 3: did an end the way we all wanted to, with
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  Speaker 3: Jared delivering a super Bowl at Sandras but three playoff
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  Speaker 3: appearances in four years, two division titles, a super Bowl
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  Speaker 3: and just one of the best human beings you'll ever meet.
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  Speaker 3: And when the trade went down, you know, my two
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  Speaker 3: kids were at the time, probably eleven and nine, on
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  Speaker 3: the floor in tears, crying. You know, their their favorite
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  Speaker 3: player ever and still cheer for Jared. You know my
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  Speaker 3: daughter will still text with him, you know every now
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  Speaker 3: and then, like this is just one of the people
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  Speaker 3: you will for every day of the week and just
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  Speaker 3: maybe not Sunday at a PM.
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  Speaker 1: I hear you, because you know, there's like this, like
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  Speaker 1: Rams legacy of Jared Goff, And you'd hate to think
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  Speaker 1: the legacy of Jared Goff is the Rams trading him
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  Speaker 1: to Detroit.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: I remember NFC Championship game in New Orleans, down thirteen
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  Speaker 1: to nothing, and this guy grits out of victory. I
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  Speaker 1: remember Seattle during the COVID season. He comes off the
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  Speaker 1: bench with about nine fingers because one of them was
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  Speaker 1: broken and he beats Russell Wilson in his building. If
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  Speaker 1: you can encapsulate the good of Jared Goff during his
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  Speaker 1: Rams career, it was really, really good.
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  Speaker 3: There's a picture right outside my office of him doing
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  Speaker 3: the finger roll on Monday Night football after he ran
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  Speaker 3: in the ball, you know, in that epic game against
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  Speaker 3: the Chiefs, Like I remember that, I remember, you know,
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  Speaker 3: one of the greatest passing performances I've ever seen Thursday
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  Speaker 3: Night against the Vikings, you know, on Thursday Night football,
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  Speaker 3: when you know, the first primetime game, you know, regular
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  Speaker 3: season at the Coliseum. You know, just all the good
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  Speaker 3: he did donating backpacks during the pandemic to kids in
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  Speaker 3: need in Inglewood who had no WiFi, who had no backpacks.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you needed something, Jared Goff was there,
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  Speaker 3: if you needed a community event. For what he did
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  Speaker 3: for South La Watts Inglewood and those kids, For what
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  Speaker 3: he did for our football team, for what he did
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  Speaker 3: for our fans, Like he's awesome, you know, simply put
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  Speaker 3: in what he's doing in Detroit. You see it on
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  Speaker 3: a daily basis, both on the field and off the field.
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  Speaker 3: He encapsulates what you want in a franchise quarterback to
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  Speaker 3: represent you know, your organization. And I think all these
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  Speaker 3: players now in this era of social media and you know,
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  Speaker 3: immense focus on the NFL. They go through ups and downs.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, when.
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  Speaker 3: I talked to him the day after the trade that night,
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  Speaker 3: I should say, one of the hardest conversations you ever had,
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  Speaker 3: Like this person was single handedly responsible, you know, along
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  Speaker 3: with our coaching staff for getting us, you know, on
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  Speaker 3: the map in Los Angeles. So you know, you can
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  Speaker 3: never boil it down to could they make a play?
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  Speaker 3: Could they do X, Y and Z. You know that
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  Speaker 3: diminishes so much of who Jared Goff is and what
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  Speaker 3: he brings to his teams in this league.
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  Speaker 1: Go back to the drafting of golf, because I think
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  Speaker 1: we forget now that it's been seven years ago, but
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  Speaker 1: you guys were not a top five pick. You trade
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: up and then you work out Jared Goff and I
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: remember this from I think a Mike Silver article that
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: ran on like NFL dot com whipping rains, like the
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: scene was set and Jeff Fisher lays eyes on him
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: and sees him throwing in the rain when they said
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: maybe we should postpone it, and Goff says, no, let
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: me throw today in horrible weather, and he just like,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: can't miss. You were there that day, right, were you? President?
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: I remember landing in Oakland, you know, and into a
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: driving rainstorm. We go to the hotel and we're like,
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: you know, we can postpone this until because it was
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: early March, you know, we hadn't even made the trade.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: Really at that time.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: We just thought we might and so we went to
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: work out Carson Wentz and Jared Goff and back to
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: back days and it's pouring rain, like, we'll do this
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: another time, we'll come back, and I think you have
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: to go back in time. I think there was something
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: about Jared having small hands with the combine. Yeah, he
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: was one of your initial you know, Kenny Pickett, small
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: hands guys, and so you know, the rain and all this,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: and he's like, no, I want to go throw, and
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: so so we go throw and he's on the field.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Now I'm I was a little bit of a whimp
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: after like the first time minute time inside of course,
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: I went and stood in the tunnel and watched. But
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: he's driving the ball, He's throwing a grade. And you
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: walked away from from that experience being like Okay, like
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: this guy can throw it, you know, great leader, great personality.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: You just connected with him and you know, fearless. And
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: I think that was always the one thing about Jared.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: There was never a challenge. He thought that was too big.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: And you look at what he did a cow turn
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: that program around for I think on one to eleven
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: to get them in the Armed forces. Bolly, he comes
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: to the Rams, we go from four to twelve and
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: death to in the super Bowl. You look at what
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: he's done in Detroit. This is a person who knows
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: how to turn franchises around.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I think about golf and it's like, you know, we
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: saw him on Hard Knocks the first year with you
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: guys when William Hayes is to talking about dinosaurs. We
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: see him on Hard Knocks. The second year when you
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: guys are with the Chargers doing joint Hard Knocks, and
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: then he gets a year with the Lions. So it's
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: like we've had three experiences on Hard Knocks. That's like
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: eighteen episodes of Hard Knocks. Like, okay, I get the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Jared Goff thing. And then this year, I don't know
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: if he saw this, he was doing Thursday Night Football
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the Lions when they bring him on, and before the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Thursday night game, Fitzpatrick said he's a poor man's Matt Ryan,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: to which Jared Goff went out of his way on
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the panel and looked at Fitzpatrick, who was like, I'm
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: a poor man's nobody, like what and he was and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there's some edge to Jared Goff. So
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: he's not this pushover. He's not this guy that just
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: gets a beating in the media and takes it. Was
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the first time I've seen him publicly respond to some
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: criticism or response to those saying he can't get over
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: the hump? Did you see that side of Jared Golf?
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: And is that just a side that people take for
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: granted and say, oh, he's just a nice guy and
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Stafford's got the edge, but Golf doesn't have that in him.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Jared has an edge, like it may be harder to find.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: You don't see it every day, but he's competitive, you know,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: and he believes in himself and he believes in his teammate.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: And I always feel bad, you know, the first hard knocks.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: I think people went out of their way to portray
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: him as a kind of clueless rookie.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: So that to show.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, he's far away and he's not going to start
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: the season. I don't think that that was fair to
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Jared or the narrative. And look, as much as I
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: love Hard Knocks, you can still have some element of
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: reality TV when you're with the team twenty four to seven,
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: which you choose to show and what you don't, And
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I always thought that was a really unfair narrative, you know,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: for him. But I think his personality, he's laid back.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: He's California, you know, and people sometimes mistake that for
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: being nonchalant. He's not nonchalant. Now, He's not you're high
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: strung either. He can be a great balance of the two,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: and I think he's found that mix as he's gone
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: through his career.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Where were you for the Trade? I remember the stories
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: where McVeigh was in Cabo and he's texting you guys,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: and then Stafford is also in Cabo and there's not
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: tampering going on because the Lion were like, you're open
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: to search for our trade. There's all these different teams involved,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: and then it goes down and it's like, Wow, this
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: is really happening, and I know someone has to make
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: that call to Jared Goff, and this is fresh off
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a playoff appearance against the Seahawks and a loss in
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Green Bay. Where were you during all that and what
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: are your memories of really executing what was at the
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: time considered the trade of the decade.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: You start John Wolford in the wildcard game against Seattle.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Jared had broken his thumb two weeks earlier. In Seattle,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: John gets a concussion. Jared's got to go back in,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: you know, eight nine days after surgery. You know, finds
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: a way to get us to win. We score thirty
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: one points, which is unbelievable. We go in the next
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: week to green Bay, play well, but lose. They were
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: the number one seed that year.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: So we fly home.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: You kind of go through the end of the year stuff,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: and you know, Sean goes to Cabo, runs into Matthew Stafford.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: That story is kind of well known.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: But it's really the first weekend we've had off since July,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: and so you're trying to get a little bit as
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: far away from ball, and you still have the conference
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: championship games that that weekend, but you're trying to take
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: a break from football. Your family hasn't seen you, and
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I really remember about eight a m. That morning, you know,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Less snead Our GM had talked to Brad Holmes and
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: he said this thing could go down today. So I
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: hunkered down to my home office, you know, all day
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: and you know, kind of just progressed throughout the day.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: And you're like, I thought this would take two to
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: three weeks, you know, post super Bowl, you know, we're
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: you know, hey, you go to the Super Bowl this.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Date, you know.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: And I think one of the things that happened is
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: there was a report Friday afternoon that we were interested
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: in Stafford because it had come out to the lines
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: that were giving them the permission to have a trade.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: And at that time and still I think we worked
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: so quickly lest Sean our organization that all these teams
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: that were kind of sniffing around Stafford at the time, Washington, Carolina, Indianapolis,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: UH got aggressive and that really drove the trade. And
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: you know, once that happened, and it was going to
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: be within twenty four hours, and so you know, Less
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: at eight am you go to sit in your home
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: office and I think the trade got done at six
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: forty five pm.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, done. And then Stafford comes along, and now what
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: does this mean you think for Matthew if you've spoken
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to him this week, going back to Detroit where he
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: played for what is it thirteen seasons, he was a
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Detroit Lion, and then he comes over to the LA Rams,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: wins a super Bowl, and now he's going back there,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: so hopefully for you guys spoil their first home game
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: in thirty years in the playoffs.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't asked for about it. I'm sure no
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: one will last Matthew at all this week.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: It's not a topic, not a topic, you know, but.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: I think it's probably different for him, right like you
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: get traded at Los Angeles, you win a Super Bowl
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: to playoff appearances in three years? He you know, you
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: go back to twenty twenty one, he had the monkey
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: on his back of.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Couldn't win a playoff game.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: He hasn't won a playoff game. Then he wins four.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: I think he's now the second leading quarterback behind like
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes in terms of playoff wins. Is that Joe
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Flacco may now have him be right like I didn't.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: That wasn't of my you know, bingo card a month ago.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: But you know, I think for Matthew it's going to
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: be the you know, probably the weight of the expectations
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: from his time in Detroit and trying to go flip
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: that franchise. But I think probably from a Rams perspective,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: I would imagine this is probably a little bit harder
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: for Jared than it is from Matthew, just from my
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: perspective of, Hey, you got to go win the playoff game,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: you got to go advance in the playoffs, you know.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think you know, there will be talk
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: this week who won the trade, and I think it's
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: the true I said, you know, it's a win win.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: We won the Super Bowl. Matthew's done a great job
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: for us. We're thrilled to have him. I don't think
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: there's anybody else, you.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Know, we'd rather have.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Obviously, Jared and the Lions have had great success, not
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: only with Jared, with the picks they got. And I
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: think it's great for once to see a trade in
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: the NFL work out for both sides, right, you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: and that people don't have to, you know, pick.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: A winner or loser.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: But I'm sure for Matthew it'll be meaningful. I think
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: he said, you know, the Hey, once it kicks off,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: it's football, It'll be interesting. That building will be rocking.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: You got to know, Oh my gosh, that place is
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: always rocking. And you know, so thirty years they've been
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: waiting for this moment in prime time.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: I can't wait. It'll be an unbelievable atmosphere.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah now, and we'll watch it in Tarico, who lives
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: in ann Arbor, Michigan, is going to be on the call.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of cool symmetry here between the
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: two franchises on this podcast, as you know, we talked
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: to coaches, we talked to gms. There's also this other
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: wrinkle Brad Holmes, who's the general manager and the architect
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: of this amazing Lions roster. He comes from the Rams also,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: and you guys helped nurture him and we had him
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: on the podcast and he has nothing but glowing stories
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: about his time working under Lesson in LA I mean,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: how impressed are you with what Brad's done in Detroit?
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: So impressed?
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: And you know what I love about Brad is, you know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: and it's great for people to remember this time of
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: year and everybody's thrown around candidate names, nobody was talking
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: about Brad Holmes. You know, in twenty twenty one and really,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: you know, I remember trying to sell him to the Lions,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: less trying to sell him to the Lions. You know,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: the Falcons had a little bit of interest in the
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: really did, and once they interviewed them, they were excited.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: And what I love.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: About the Lions is they've been built in a fearless manner, right,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: you know, you go against the grain and you draft
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Jamiir Gibbs, you draft you know, Jack Campbell. You know,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: they have not just followed what I would call the
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: normal NFL script. And I think if there's some piece
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: of DNA Brad Holmes has from the Rams, it's be yourself,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: be different. You know, you can't win in this league
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: following the same blueprint everybody else does.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: It's impossible.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: No organization, no team is good enough to do the
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: same things everybody else does and just be better at
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: all of them. You have to pick a lane to
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: go be different. And that's what I've loved about how
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Brad you know, and Dan Campbell have built the Lions.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: They've done it in a uniquely lined way, and that's
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: what makes it really hard to play them, to beat them,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: to compete with them, because they're zigging when everybody else
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: is a zaga.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you know, if anything was the
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: foot the Rams was well, you know, these picks, and
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: it was like, let's go get these veterans for years
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and then for Brad Holmes, to your point, drafting a
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: running back and an inside linebacker with two first round
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: picks was f your draft guide. And I love that
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: about them, and the fact that they hired Dan Campbell,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: who was a tight ends coach and wasn't exactly the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: first in line as the hot new coordinator, and he's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: been perfect for them top to bottom. I know, you
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: respect a bunch of franchises. You have to. As the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Rams are looked at as one of the crown jewel
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: franchises in the NFL, and how they've been built and
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: how you guys have operated, You've got to look at
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Detroit and say they're right there too.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: When you look at what Detroit's done, and you know,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I think starts with Sheila and kind of trusting you know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: from Rod Wood, Mike Disner, who I think is one
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: of the smartest executives in the NFL. I love Brad,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: you know, I probably like everybody else in the world.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: He didn't know what to make of Dan Campbell at
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: the time he got hired. Yeah, but having done coaching searches,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: people always spoke reverentially about Dan Campbell and you know
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: what they've built, what they've done obviously, Ben Jonson, I
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: really like Aaron Glenn, you know, always done a nice
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: up like they have a really good, solid franchise. And
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: I think when you you know what their success is
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: not just because they've had picks. It's because you know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: they had a plan, they went and executed it. And
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: that's what you love to see in the NFL is
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: when someone says, Okay, we've got a plan, We're going
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: to go build it, whether it's patient or not. And look,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: I think you get back to where we started this show.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: The great part about right now is there are fourteen
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: teams are in the playoffs with hope. They're also a
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: whole ten other franchises probably now that their fans have
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: hope for the first time in months. Hey we have
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: a high draft pick, we're getting a new coach.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: We're getting new GM.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: You most of the league right now is in the
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: hope phase, and that's the best phase of the NFL.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: And you know, the Rams story.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: You know from twenty sixteen on, you know, when we
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: were one of the worst franchises, you know on the
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: field in the NFL and the Lions. That's what makes
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: fans to make the NFL the best product. How quickly
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: you can turn it and become one of the special franchises,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: the leader.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: All right, let's go back to twenty sixteen. Fishers fired
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: midway through the season. Golf finishes it out. Who was
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the interim coach? Bones? Bones stopped at John Fossil, Yeah,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: John Fossil. And now you're starting from scratch. You're new
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: in LA and you've got to go on a coaching search.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: And right now there are seven teams who are about
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: to start their coaching search. You guys looked at this
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: thing having done it already when you got Fisher a
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: couple of years back. Take us through the coaching search
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: and how you ended up with Sean mcday, a thirty
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: year old head coach coming to Los Angeles.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it really starts with you have to
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: go back to the coaching search. And you know in
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: twenty twelve, so I when I got to the Rams,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: I was hired a couple of weeks after they'd hire
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Steve Spagnolo, who I love, and you know I would
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: love to see get another head coaching opportunity. When we
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: made the change with Steve after three years, I remember
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: writing a note to myself, don't wait until you know
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: black Monday.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: You know when you.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Because there's so much craziness that happens at the end
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: of the season. You find yourself behind in the coaching search,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: and to be fair, you can't call, you can't really
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: do homework and other people you can't. You've got to
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: be all in for your current staff. And so I
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: remember that note. So as it got to the point,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: you know, we had started three and one in twenty sixteen,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: had a pretty good start, and then you know we
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: were four and ten, four and eleven, you know, we
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: decided to make the change. I remember with Jeff we
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: were going to go play the Seahawks on a Thursday
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: night football, and if he had lost that game, he
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: would have set the NFL record for losses, and you know,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: we just kind of said, I don't think it's fair
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: to him to break the record for losses. And you
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: also don't want to go into a Thursday night where
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: the whole conversation is, you know, are they making a change,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: what are they going to do?
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: How is this going to go? And so we made
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: the change on a short week.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: But what that really did is that gave us a
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: month to really investigate our franchise. You know, when you
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: change a head coach, everybody just playing as a coach,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: it is an organizational failure. Really go dig into your franchise.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: What's working, what's not, what's on the coaches, what's on
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: the organization, what's on the personnel side, you know, what
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: do you need to fix to get ready? But also
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: to go to a deep dive on all of these
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: coach candidates because you may go in with a leader
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: you know at the time and what you want to do,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: but you're going to go meet people, You're going to
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: go investigate people. And so we made calls. You know,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: really for a month it was myself, let's need Tony
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: past Georgia works with us, just doing as much homework
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: as we can on candidates. And you know, I would say,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: you know, we started with the list, it was forty
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: or fifty people just trying to get information and you know,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: you try to whittle it down, whittle it down, so
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: that when you get to this phase, you know, the
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: post Black Monday, when you can start to do interviews
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: that you know, hey, these are the eight to ten
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: people we really want to talk to, we have the
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: most interest in. And it's not just guessing, because you know,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: you get these calls out of the blue.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: You make a change, and you would be amazed to calls, right, you.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Know, and you're talking like a random college coach that
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: you never thought would he gon to be available as
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: like hey I'm interested.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like you know, Vince Lombardi's ghost and
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: most shem Beckler, you know, you know Arab partsy like hey,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: you know, I haven't coached in twenty years, but you
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: know you're like LA and I think you have to
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: go back in time too. You know, we were new
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: in LA. We had all this fan fare and we
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: just stunk. I mean, we're the thirty second offense. We're
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: four and twelve, and you know, a fan base felt
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: like it was dwindling and people thought we needed to
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: make a big splash. And I think there was an
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: element of us that we definitely thought about that. But
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, go through and find the coach who
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: is the best fit for your organization at this time.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: You know, winning the press conference is great, selling tickets
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: is great, but it doesn't work and you're back here.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: In two three years. You've already screwed up.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: And if you could find someone you could really grow
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: with and you know, who would be uniquely ours, you
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: would go through that.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: And that was kind of the guiding principle.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: And I give Stan Kronkey, our own er, a ton
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: of credit who understood the pressure, you know, about to
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: build a stadium. You've got to go sell seat licenses.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: A suite.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: But you know, he had always had this belief that hey,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: let's go get the right coach for the l A
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: RAMS And you know, so we had that month to
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: do homework and you know, I'm not ashamed you and
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: I chatted during that month and it's like you're trying
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: to pick everybody's brain.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: You know, what do you know about these candidates?
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: And one of the things we did, and one of
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: the reasons you and I would always talk is, you know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: media members who sit in production.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Meetings with coaches talk about it. It was one of
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: the way we call it.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Every you know, network person we knew tell us who
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: makes you sit up straighter in your chair, tell us
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: who grabs your attention because they talk to coordinators every week,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: and they talked to Coat. That to me was a
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: way to find out a little bit more beyond, you know,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: and everybody kind of said, you know, Sean McVay, Sean McVay,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: And we would ask a question at the end of
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: every conversation, who's who's the coach? Nobody's talking about who's
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: going to be a superstar. And I would say, ninety
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: percent of the time the answer with Sean McVay, and who.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Are you talking when you gusked that, Like, I don't
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: think it's you talk to me about this. Probably I
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: would imagine other guys in the media, like Schefter probably
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: got asked, and all the all the guys who called
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: the games, probably Aikman.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: I talked to Joe buck, Al Michaels, Mike Turico, you
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: know who the time was at ESPN, you know Bruden
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: at the time, collins Worth. We talked to all them,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: you know, just to get get a sense, and then
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: you go through your normal channels. You know, we're fortunate
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: we picked the brains, you know, some of our legends,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: you know as well you know, we made calls to
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: you know, successful Pea gms who had done the search
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: and kind of you know, the Tony Dungees of the world,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: just to get a sense when you have time you
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: can make you can be thorough. That's where Shawn's name
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: came up every time. And everybody go in two to
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: three years, he's going to be great.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Down the line, he'll be great, but not yet, but
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: down the line.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: And I'm thinking to myself, well, two to three years,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: if we're doing the search again, it's not me, it's
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: someone else, right, Like, we're all fired, and you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: And so we moved Sean kind of to the top
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: of our curious list. And I remember vividly they were
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: at the time. They were supposed to be the sixth seed.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: They go into the Giants.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: This is the Washington Redskins. They had a week seventeen
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: game against a Giants team that had nothing to play for.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, yeah, nothing to play for. I
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: think the Giants already clinched. That was I want to
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: say that the year they.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Wanted to boat the boat trip.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: This is the boat the Boat trip.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they eliminated the Redskins in that win.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: So they eliminate the Redskins and they score seven points
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: and you know that put Detroit into the playoffs.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: And at the time we were looking I think at
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: both Detroit coordinators.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: And so now they can't interview that week and Sean
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: comes available. We were expecting is coming off a seven
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: point effort against the meaningless Giants and not exactly something.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: You say to the local fan base, Hey, look what
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: we just.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Got correct And you know, the local fan base, by
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: the way, thinks, you know, we're going to hire Bill
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Walsh's head coach.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: And you know, Mike Shanahan is offensive coordinator, Nick Saban
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: is defensive coordinator, and you know what, We'll let Belichick
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: do special teams like that was their vision for you know,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: what the twenty seventeen LA rams were going to do.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: And so I remember we flipped it. I called Sean
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Monday morning and I said, hey, you know, and he
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: and I had been together on staff in Tampa in
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, but if we had talked five times,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: that might that might be a lot. And I said,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: want to get you out of LA for an interview
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Wednesday or Thursday, and He's like, I scored you know,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: typical Sean. I scored seven points? Yes, why are you
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: calling me? And you know, so we got him lined
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: up and you know, we had five or six interviews
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: in LA that week and he comes out Wednesday. And
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: you go in to that meeting saying, how on earth
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: can we hire a third year old head coach? And I
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: would say, you walk out being how on earth do
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: we not hire that guy?
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: And so we you know, he crushes the interview and
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: we kind of look at him and say, hey, can
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: you stay. We called Jared Goff and we're like, hey,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: can you come meet, you know, with Sean? And they
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: come meet. They headed off. Shawn's brought his computer. He's
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: showing film with Jared and what they can do together.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: So then we're like, we got to do something else, so,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of keep him in town. We take
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: him to dinner with all of our wives and you know,
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: just you hit it off, but he was number five
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: in the search and you still wanted to go do
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: kind of the thorough search.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: We flew in a way England. We met with both
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels and Matt Patricia.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: We flew to Florida and finished with Anthony Lynn and
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Doug Morone, you know. And and the thing is, at
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: the time, no one else had interviewed Sean, right, so
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: you kind of feel like you've got this jas no
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: one's talking about.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: And then you know, so.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I remember Sunday night we finished with you know, the
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: interview you know, in Florida, and I at that time,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: the Niners decided they're going to interview Sean.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: And his grandpa was the GM there.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: You're like, ash, yeah, you know, and you know, you
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: kind of kind of keep track of all this. And
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: so I called him and I said, Hey, I want
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: you to come back out to lah meet with the
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: owner and.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: All of us. Again, I said, I know you're a
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: interviewed with the Niners tomorrow.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Do well, but not too well, you know, and whatever
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: you do, do not accept the job on the spot.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: So we're flying back on Monday and we're flying back
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: in texting him are you out of the meeting? Hey?
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: What time?
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Wing? Three hours? Four? Ur nothing? And I'm fuming.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: We're on plane and I'm looking at Lesson Tony and
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm leaving.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: How do we let him leave the building.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm losing my right, Like, I can't believe we
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: just didn't offer this to him. You know, we should
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: have done this. And what was crazy about the search was,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: you know, on the plane ride we've now done in
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: our ten interviews and we're comparing notes, we all had
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: sean number one, we all had different number twos and threes.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: So the backup plan wasn't even unanimous.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: We didn't have a backup plan. Like we were like,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: what do we do if he says no? And we're
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: like we finally we stop in Texas to refuel and
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: finally get a hold of him and he's like I crushed,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: And I'm like you're still on the plane and he's like,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, I'll see you, you know, tomorrow and so now.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: But the crazy part about this too is we land
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: back in LA and I go to dinner that night
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: with I understand cranky and he's owned multiple teams, had
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: great success, but he's always had veteran head coaches. So
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: you think about Arson Vanger at Arsenal Ledger a coach,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: George Carl, Jeff Fisher, you know, Joel Quinnville, like and
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: you go through all the sports and you're like, hey,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: I really think the best person is this thirty year
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: old you've never heard of.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Who just lost to the Giants, and we who.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Just lost the Yeah, isn't playing in the playoffs. And
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: we're watching the Clemson Alabama National championship game and Hunter
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Renfrow and Deshaun Watson score and I'm like, look, we'll
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: go to dinner tomorrow to do it and what I
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: what else?
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Remember? The same time, we get back to LA and.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: I walk back in the office and Joanna Hunter, who
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: works for us, who helps run our communications along with
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: artists Wiman, and she's like, you know, everybody thinks you
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: tony and lesser morons and you've never won anything, and
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: you're running this coaching search and everybody else is hiring
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: consultants and now they are all these rumors you want
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: to hire a thirty year old, Like, do you guys
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: know what you're doing? I love this and I'm like,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: I think we do, but maybe not. She's like, you know,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: you should get some other validation before you do this,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: And so I sit down and I think, you know,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: all right, I love.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: That Joanna is in the office and she's like, someone's
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: got to be a voice of reason here.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: And anybody knows Joanna, She's always the voice tell you yeah,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: you know. And and so she goes, what about someone
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: like Marshall fulk And I'm like, Marshall thinks we should
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: hire a veteran coach. So I call him and I'm like, no, no,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to do this, and like we all
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: do our best thinking in the shower. The next morning,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: I'm showering, I'm like, you know what, She's right. So
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: I call Marshall. I'm like, hey, we're going to dinner tonight,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Stan myself, Sean, would you join? And he goes, oh,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I'd love to. He goes, but you should hire a
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: veteran coach, like you need offense to do this. I'm like,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: that's why you're perfect. You don't believe in this guy.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: So and you know there's been a lot made, you know,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: the Spago story has been written.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: That's after the fact, right or is that that's that's.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: The next night, so we go to dinner and Marshall
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: was walking in and he's telling Stan like, hey, I
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: really appreciated becoming like, I don't believe in this kid.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Whatever you know, Sean and Mark Shoal and knock it out.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Of the park and they took two of the smartest
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: football people who ever met.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Right, Marshall, Funk is brilliant. You listen to talk football
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: rush of Funk like he he could be an NFL
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: head coach right now if he wanted to be.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And he walks out of dinner and he turns
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: the stand and he goes, if you got you let
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: that guy leave the building, you.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Know, shame on you.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, And that's you know, that's how we wound up
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: hiring Sean. But I would tell you like running a
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: coaching search for the two most grueling weeks probably of
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: your life. And I'm so glad the NFL has now
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: stretched out the calendar to allow for better decision making,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: because it is really hard and intense and a drain
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: on your organization. But the one thing you know that
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: you go through you meet all these people, You get
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: a chance to build all these you know, great relationships.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: You know, And and I'll tell a funny story. Coach
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: we saw this year. At one point we interviewed in
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: our head coaching search who kept calling Tony Pastors who
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: works with us. He kept calling him by the wrong
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: first name. The whole inner, I won't and we never
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: stopped him. And so now every time we see this coach,
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: he walks over and he's like, hey, Kevin, he goes,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: great to see you, Paul.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: That's what you called Tony Paul the whole time and relationship.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: And by the way, this coach still finished in our
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: top three, got across the board like great, dude. And
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: and so you know, you get all these stories and
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: you meet all these people and you go through it,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: but you also learned so much about your building. I
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: remember one coach who interviewed was not the same one
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: asked us a question and he goes, hey, when I
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: get in your building up you hire me? Who am
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I going to find out? Is the problem that you
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: didn't tell me about?
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Good question, and it blew us all away, and we
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: actually left that meeting. We all kind of stumbled our
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: way through the answer because you don't want to like
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: pull someone there, and we wound up making two changes
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: the following week as a result of that question.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Do you have an animus answer? That person's toxic for
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the building, But that's thanks for putting the mirror on us.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Ye, And those are the elements I think when you
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: have a coach insearch and you make a GM change,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: you actually have to be pretty introspective about, like are
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: you setting the next coach up for success or are
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: you just hoping that they're a miracle worker who can
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: fix everything that was wrong before.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: Not.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Usually the issue is in your building, and the coaches
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: emblematic of that more than it's just the coach themselves.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: You mentioned the Spago story, which might be legendary lower
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: in our circles, but the listener might not know it.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Can you share us the Spago story?
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So we go to Spago and Uh, a restaurant
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: in Beverly Hills. Wolfgang Park is the owner, chef famous,
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: you know, one of probably the first star celebrity chef.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: And so he comes by the table and he knows
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Stan pretty well and he goes, Stan, we got to
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: hire a coach. You know who are we hiring?
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: I'm so excited. I'm such a fan.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: And Sean's sitting right there and he's like, oh, Marshall Falk,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: that's great, nice to meet you. He's looking at Sean
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: like he's the intern, and you know, he's asking. He's
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: like he's like, I hear we may get and he rattles.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: Off a bunch of names.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and like in Sean's sitting right there, probably shrinking
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: back in his chair, you know, and so we're just
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: kind of laughing.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: We go through it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Uh, Fergie and Josh dou Hamm will come walking by like, hey,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: who are we going to hire?
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Like and your tables? Sean has he already accepted the
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: job or no, no.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: We haven't even offered it to him. This is like
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: his final interview.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've been in these rooms where everyone
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: where everyone's looking at everyone else, but you I understand
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: where Sean's feeling better, you.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Know, and you know. So we go through the sun
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: and then you know, Sean tells the story even better
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: than anybody. But we get to the end of the night,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: like Sean crushes it. So we go to the hotel.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: He and Stan are standing across the street and he's
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: expecting Stan to be like, hey, you crushed it. You're
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: my guy, Like let's go do this, and stands like
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: all right, great, I'll see tomorrow Like no, no, no, Sean.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Sean wakes up the next day and he's like he's
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: laying in bed. He's like, you know, you got a
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: good job in Washington. You're a coordinator and the rest
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: is his history, and you know, so grateful to have him.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: But you know, I still it's hard for me to
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: believe that was seven years ago.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Crazy because like yesterday, I remember being in Atlanta because
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I was doing a playoff game, Seahawks versus Falcons. I
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: was the sideline reporter, and I remember talking to Sean
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: from his vantage point going into those meets, and I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: think you guys had him staying at like the Four
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Seasons in Westlake Village maybe or it was maybe the
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Chateau Mormont. It was some fancy hotel, and he was
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: impressedly He's like they told me I could order anything
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: from room service for free, and I'm like, I love
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: this about you, Like you're he's thirty years old, never
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: been treated like this, and like, you guys really rolled
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: out the red carpet. But he had no idea he
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: was getting offered that job.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: No, I mean, I think he knew he had crushed
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: it both times.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: And there's no one more self confident in a positive
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: way than Sean McVay. But you know, you got to
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: go convince the owner, who's like, I'm really going to
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: go trust the future of my franchise in LA. This
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: bet that I've made Sofi Stadium, moving a team on
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: a thirty year old and you know, I would say
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: the history of the Rams can be written by Stan
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Cronckey making the two biggest bets in the NFL the
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: past decade.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Hey, I'm going to go build a stadium in LA
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: and go for it.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: And I'm going to go hire a thirty year old
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: head coach. And you know we're fortunate enough to hoist
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: a Lombardi Trophy in Sofi Stadium Super Bowl fifty six.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: You know, those two beats came to fruition.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I said, to start this thing the thirty thousand foot guy.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: For me, you look at the entire league as a whole,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: but you also know pretty much every piece of the organization.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Here's a question I have when these coaches are interviewing
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: and they say, yeah, my defensive coordinator is going to
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: be this guy and my offensive coordinator is going to
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: be that guy. Is there a budget for that or
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: is it like, how does that work with a team
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: or is that team specific. I know it's very in
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the weeds, but as these coaches are all interviewing right now.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: They come in with a plan, but maybe the twenty
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: year defensive coach has a different price tag than the
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: assistant who is, you know, three years into his NFL career.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Well, the really funny part is if you do ten
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: of these, eight of them say their defensive coordinator is
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: going to be the same guy, same guy, right right,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: So you do the meat, you do the interview in
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: the morning, and they're like, you know, hey, you know
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Raheem Morris is going to be my defensive coordinator And
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: you're like, okay, Like I kind of like Raheem, like that's.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: A great addition.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Then you do the to be the next thing like, hey,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: and I talked to Raheem Morris, he wants to be
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: in my DC. And then you realize it's all you know,
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: that part you have to throw out, Like and even
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: now when I advise coaches to interview, I'm like, don't
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: don't talk about names, because you don't know if you
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: can get them the salaries, the budgets, the competition. They
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: go talk about your vision for what you want each
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: coach to be. Hey, my defensive coordinator, do they play
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: an attacking style? Are they blitzing or do they play more,
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: you know three four four three, you know offense or
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: we a play action team, or we a deep shot team,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: or we a run heavy team.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: And then say the guys who fit that are this?
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: You know walk through you know your vision for each
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: coaching position because the names, you know, you might get
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: enamored with a name. Whether the coach can deliver them
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: or not, you have no clue. And you know, especially
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: you know you might make the last tire. You might
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: hire someone after the super Bowl and that coach has said,
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: you know, hey, I can't wait. I got to take
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: a sure thing. That's really the hard part. You know,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: when you go through this conversations. Now I'll remember, you
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: know when Seawn interviewed, he said, Wade Phillips, Waite Phillips
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: is going to be so we called Waite Phillips, you
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: know during the break and like is he real Sean
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Puller And he's like, oh no, Wade love Sean. You know,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: he'd loved to go and sure enough, like it's a
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: great credit to Sean. And where he was at thirty
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: he got everybody he listed.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: That first staff was who it was Wade, it was
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Joe Barry, it was on offense, the floor first or no, Yeah,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur was Zach came on as Zach Taylor was
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: our assistant wide receivers coach. Think about that.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that staff had Shane Waldron was our tight
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: ends coach.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: The OC in Seattle right now, No, the o C Aaron.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Cromer was the line coach now the OC kind of
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: the assistant OC in Buffalo. Then you had Matt Lafleur
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: trying to think of QB coach was Greg Olsen who's
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: now ye, who's now in Seattle and went on to
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: become the Raiders, you.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Know o C under me.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And so you know, just that staff, you know,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: on the offense, they've all gone on to you know,
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: the great things. But you think about like our basically
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: quality controlled coach is now one of the best head
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: coaches in the NFL, and Zach Taylor, and then you
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: go to defense, you had you know, Joe Barry, you
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: had wayde Phillips, Bill Johnson, Aubrey Pleasant, uh, Jiro Everro.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: You know, I mean, just like great great staff.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Out of the gates. That's such a test. I mean,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: think about that, this is a thirty year old coach.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: And convinced John Fossil to stay, which was you know
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: a great you know, someone who had been the interim coach,
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: who had great opportunities to like thirty year old coach
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: put together a great staff. But you know, everybody's got
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: a budget versus and coaches. You know, it's but it's
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: kind of like a salary gap, right, no matter what
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: it is, you're going to pay the mode you get.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Go get the defensive coordinator. Hey, maybe I won't spend
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: as much on the linebackers coach, Go get the OC
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: tight ends coach.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: I can fudge a little bit. You know, it's no
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: different than that.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: You know, you go with the people that are the
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: foundational pieces, and you want to make sure you get
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: the coach you know everything you can and and like
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: all budgets, you know, they usually go over or sheepishly
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: and you kind of just let him do it.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: It's no secret that, uh, Sean's a friend, and I've
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: been a fan of Sean's. There's no secret that guys
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: like Kingsbury and Salah and Hackett I've got great relationships with.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: But if there's one guy in the league that I'm
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: rooting to have success and get another shot at a
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: head coaching position. It's your current defensive coordinator, Raheem Morris.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: I see that he's been asked to interview at a
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: few places. You see raw every single day there in
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: the building. Make the case for Raheem Morris NFL head coach.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: One of the best leaders in culture builders I've ever
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: been around. Wow, and I was with Raheem and Tampa.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: But this is the guy who makes your building better.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: He's the glue guy who brings everywhere together, your equipment staff,
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: your training staff, your pr the building and the I
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: can coach like and I think, you know, I start
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: with the culture and you know leader, because you know
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: that's what you see every day. I look at this
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: year's defense. You know PFAF had US rated thirty ninth.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: I think on defense coming into the year, you know,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: everybody just killed.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: We had national media show up to camp like it's
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: like major league, Like, who are yeah? Yeah, the groundskeepers
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: sitting there, you know, you know, can't say, you know,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: you know these guys are blank, you know, and you
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: know it's Aaron Donald and ten nobody's And we come
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: out of the gate and we shut out Seattle in
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: the second half more than thirteen points, and we've had
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: five shutout halps this year.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: I think the defense finished.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Seventeenth, eighteenth made impact plays brought. I mean, Kobe Turner
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: should win Defensive Rookie of the Year. You know, nine
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: sacks from an interior position, Third round pick Pyron Young
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: number two in sacks as an outside linebacker.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Both rookies. Unbelievable.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Both rookies are starting Darien Kendrick and Russy Yeast.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: It's safety.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, Christian Roseboom, guys we had hopes for, but
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: nobody's heard. Sure you know of these guys and turn
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: them into a unit. And you know, look where I
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: get frustrated. And this isn't a knock. I'm a big
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: Brandon Staley fan, and Brandon did an amazing job for
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: us in twenty twenty. You know, led the league in defense,
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: you know, but we go to the playoffs, we give
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: up five hundred yards to Green Bay in the divisional
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: round and we get forty four slips for Brandon Staley
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: as head coach and he can have his pick of jobs.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: In twenty twenty one, Raheem Morris wins the Super Bowl.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: You know, nine sacks in the second half.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: You know, we have this.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Year and you're fighting to get people to interview, and
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: you know, to me, that's just where the system you know,
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: is a little bit broken in our world. And you
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: get in a room with Raheem and he was fortunate
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: enough to get pretty deep with the Colts you know,
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: last year. But he has a vision for how he
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: wants to play football, how he wants to lead. You know,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: I left Tampa the year he got the head coaching job,
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: and you know, obviously he took that team to ten wins.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: And with Josh Freeman and a bunch of guys no
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: one knew, and they went ten games.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: And you know, from two thousand and eight until Tom
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Brady showed up, that franchise never won double digits.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: Raheem Morris had their only double digit season.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: He goes to Atlanta as the interim coach, you know,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: does a great job beat I think holds Patrick Mahomes
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: to his lowest total, you know, of the year during.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I remember that in Arrowhead, Yeah, and.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: An Arrowhead, And so I think you have this dynamic coach,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: you know who who has learned under a nuts stay.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, dan Quinn, Mike Tomlin, John Gruden. Mine,
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: I mean Jay, I mean like Mike Shanahan, like he
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: has been with the Pantheon, you know of coaches, he'll
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: he'll go crush it, you know. Kyle Shanahan says if
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: he had if you were telling an owner of the
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: first person I.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Saw this, I'll be honest. The quote was, if an
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: owner was to ask me, the first person who they
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: should hire as a head coach is Raheem Morris. And
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: that's not a staff member on his team. I saw
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin came out and had a very public statement
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: about you're talking about the luminaries of the NFL right now. McVeigh,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Shanahan and Tomlin. I'll say that he's the guy. So
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: what what are we doing?
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: No, And I think that to me is, you know,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: I'm hopeful of this cycle. And look, let's also be honest.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: He's got an amazing opportunity Sunday night. Ben Johnson right
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: now is fifteen dollar man, and you know, so you know,
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: I am hopeful, and not just that we go win
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: the game, but what a great opportunity for us as
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: a team to go in. But it's certainly also for
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: for Raheem for this defense to go have a shot at,
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: you know, one of the hottest coordinators. And I'm hopeful
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: that that will be, you know, just one case for
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: him that the people can make coming out of Sunday night.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: And you know, I am hopeful we walk you know,
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: off that field, a Ford field on Sunday that everybody says,
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Raheem Morris is the guy I got to have as
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: our head coach.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I love that. I'm gonna wrap with you soon, but
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I've got a couple other things for you. I hope
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: that's okay, waits right now, a couple more things. I
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: love this, let's go, Let's go, but more of this
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: being a pitch to Hollywood studios and to a very
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: saturated sports doc community. I mean, I don't there might
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: not be a sports story that hasn't had a documentary
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: made about it in the last five years. Streamers. Hello, uh, Kevin.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: We have talked about this stage in your career where
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: you you jumped at an entrepreneurial opportunity in the boom
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: of the Internet in your early to mid twenties. Can
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: you explain the story and the pool of talent that
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: you had around you and you guys just being a
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: little early on what feels like what could have been
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: the Facebook of sports.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: So my first job at a college is a company
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: called Broadband Sports, which was I would say today it
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: would be an amalgamation of the Athletic Bleacher Report, SB Nation,
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Rodeo World, and maybe the Player's Tribune. So we had
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: a bunch of player websites so you could go to
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: you know, Kobe Bryant dot athletes Direct dot com.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: We did.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: We built team websites for the Cowboys and the Raiders,
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: which is one of the ways I got my introduction
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: in the NFL.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: We built homepages for if you went to go look
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: up Los Angeles Rams on AOL. That was all of
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: our work and our content.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Do you have a staff that would like that would
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: write the articles or it was you guys.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: We did a little bit and we outsourced and we
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: you know ap B like I remember, we tried to
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: hire Adam Schefter from the Denver Post Intercoming, Oh yeah,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: from you know, from the offices, and you know, we
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: we wound up doing all these crazy things.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: And so this was based out of light. It was
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: an internet company and it would make individual sites. But
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: were you guys licensed by the NFL or it was
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: all just.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: So we were getting licensed by the NFL and by
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: the Players Association. And you know, this is the time
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: when when we did the Cowboys, we paid them for
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: the right to do their website with this idea that
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: you know, we would go sell you know, merchandise and
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: ads and content around it. And you know, this is
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: the height of the dot com boom. So I was
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: the thirtieth employee in what years, nineteen ninety nine.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: I love this dude, all right, And you know.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: Three months, you know, four months later, we're in brand
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: new offices in Santa Monica, were three hundred employees, were
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: the number two IPO on Wall Street behind Krispy Kreme.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: And I think I turned down a job and you
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: and I have to talk at Fox Sports and they
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: gave me an extra like fifty thousand shares, and I'm thinking,
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: this is the greatest thing on earth.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Who's at this crew in broadband?
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: No so, and it wound up being you know, Mark Silverman,
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: who now helps run Fox went to the Big ten network.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Was it was one of my bosses, John Collins, who
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: went on to the NFL and now I think owns
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: the Islanders, you know was one. You know, you can
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: kind of go through the list of talent that have
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: shown up in all kinds of crazy places. I left
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: three months later, there are three hundred people. Nine months
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: later they were out of business.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: So tell me how it goes down, because everyone knows
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: pets dot com. But like, literally, how does it bust?
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: You know? Well, I remember, so we get the AOL
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: deal and they pull us into this. We had this big,
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: fancy room called the Athletes Lounge that they had built
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: that no athletes ever went into. But it was a
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: really cool spacetic chairs, the table, and they do this
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: mean They're like, hey, and I had kind of worked
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: on this secret project on teen pages for a while
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: and they said, hey, AOL is going to take our content.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: I remember walking out next to some guy and I'm like,
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: I'm twenty two. I was a history major. I'm like,
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know anything about business, Like how much is
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: AOL paying us? Like, no, we're paying them seventeen million
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: a year for the right to do this, and go
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: why we're doing all the work doesn't make sense. That
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: was my first hint that you know, hey, this may
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: not be you know, the sound is financial model.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: So you know, you know, we're right up there.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: With pets dot Com and so you know, my my
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: one hundred thousand shares that I have, you know are
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: worth as much of you know as those bobbleheads behind you.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: All Right, So you're twenty two and then people don't
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: know that in between that and your time in the NFL,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: there was a amazing time in the Arena Football League.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I went.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: So I wound up leaving Broadband Sports to go to
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: the Los Angeles Avenders who played the Staples Center. There
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: an expansion franchise and in case C. Wasserman, who people
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: know now who owns Wasserman Media and Sports Group, and
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: it's done greaton.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: Is you know, CEO of LA twenty eight and the Olympics.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: He started an expansion team in the Arena League with
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: this idea maybe he could ultimately own the NFL LA team.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: Just experience and.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: So get recruited to go over there. They're put in
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: a CBA. We kind of hit it off and go
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: join the Arena League for four years.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: So is the job what was the job with the
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Arena League? Basically GM kind of Yeah, twenty three years old.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: Twenty three.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: And you know what was so cool about the Arena
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: League is it's the same job as today, just nobody
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: knew who we were, you know, far less zeros. You know,
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: you'd go to renegotiate a player contract and you had
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: to go to their house and you're trying to get
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: them to go from twenty five thousand to twenty eight,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: you know. And you know, I remember this one story
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: we go to We had a player who played for
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: US who got an offer from Canada and we were
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: paying him twenty six thousand. He got an offer from
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: Canada for thirty thousand, and he's like, well, you got
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: a match.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: I'm like, well, was it an American or Canadian?
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I need to know the currency?
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: And he goes, I don't know, and he goes calls
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: back and goes Canadian. I go, well, that's less money
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: than we're offering you. And he goes, well, you still
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: got to match. You still got to get them to thirty.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: But just such a you know, we got that team
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: off the ground. We went to the playoffs a number
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: of years. Like such a fun experience to to learn
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: from the players and the coaches names, all of them
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: still close with you know a lot of them. We
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: had Greg Hopkins, who was our big star, who is
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: from Indiana Firebirds who came to LA who actually they
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: they wanted to be the Bachelor after the first season
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: when they were uh so they had Jeremy Bloom is
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: that right or not him?
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: Whoever? The Colorado guy was?
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Who Jeremy was?
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: You know it was Ryan and Trista yes, Yan so
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: so the second one, they're like, great, another football player
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Arena football in l A. And uh they couldn't convince
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Greg to do it. We had Chris Jackson who's now
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: the receivers coach at Texas. Steve Sarkis and played in
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: the NFL for a number of years too, is our
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: best receiver. Tony Graziani was our quarterback. But when I
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: when I first got there, Todd Marinovitch really was the quarterback.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what kind of version Todd Marinovich for you
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: with what you're dealing with?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: He he was talented.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know you could see all of it. But
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: then you know, I mean, yes, it ended poorly. Uh
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: but just like you're like Todd Marinovitch, I mean was
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: hanging around, was he not so much?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: Not so much at that point, you know.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: But uh, and that was right at the start of
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: I think Todd's artists phase. But you know, and then
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: Tony Graziani became our starting quarterback for a number of
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: years and became one of the best quarterbacks in the
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Arena Football League.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like in LA there's like cult things, like
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: everyone likes to go see, Like you know, in Silver
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Lake there's a band or there's a comedy troupe that
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: you know, you have to go to Largo to see.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Was this like kind of like Colt cool to like
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: go to the area.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: It was not Colt cool. We played at Staples Center,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: all right, you know, and you know it was It
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: was fun, but it was not Colt cool. But one
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: of the cool things about the job was you put
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: T shirts on seats. I got to hire a head
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: coach shit twenty four at Hodgkiss, who's now a really
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: good high school FOOTB coach in.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: The South Bay.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: I always say, before there was Sean McVay ed Hodgkiss,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: he was four years old. He was probably in his
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: late twenties, but was the Sean McVay of the Arena League.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: Before there was Sean McVay. I love this, and he
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: he came and turned around our franchise, a great guy
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: named Brent Winner, who went on to become the head
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: coach of the Boise Burn. Sure, you know, we started
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: two Arena minor league arena football teams in Bakersfield and Fresno.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, just you kind of go through all of it,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: but it was it was a joy. But you got
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: to I mean I went to the airport and booked,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: you know, got plane tickets and boarded planes, did the buses,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: picked up chipope, play for launch, did did the dry cleaning,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: you know, but you also got to do the cool stuff,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: negotiate contract.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: You learn very facett that everyone who does, you know,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: play by play for a minor league team says, yeah,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: you do literally everything, and then you can go do
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: anything because you've done it. You've done every single part
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: of the organization.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: I always tell anybody break into sports, go to the
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: minor leagues because you'll get to do everything and you'll
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: learn there's almost not a thing that happens at the
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles Rams right now that I didn't do in
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: my time between the Arena League or Tampa or now
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: at the Rams. So I would say it's the best
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: training ground because rather than going to a big brand
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: where you talk about what someone else did that you
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: that you helped do a small part of you actually
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: got to do the thing, and you can talk about
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: your experience.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Real quick, rapid fire. We'll do just quick questions and
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: then we'll get you out it here. The first one here,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: super Bowl Ride, your most fondest memory, the thing that
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: if you wake up in the middle of the night
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: and you just smile, what was it?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: Which one? The one we won? The one you won?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're hosting a Lombardi.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl Ride.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: Cooper cups catch in Tampa against in Tampa because we're
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: ahead twenty seven three, right, I mean almost you know
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: twenty And I get all these texts. They show the
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: owner suite at halftime and I look nervous, and everybody's like,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: you're up twenty three, Like you happy? Look that and
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: I'm like, we're playing Tom Brady ye right, like there
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: is no world in which you're ever gonna feel good.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: We get twenty seven to three and you're like, okay,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: like we got this, and then they just you know,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: we Cooper Cup fumbles can't like that never happens. He's winning,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: and you blow the whole thing and they score and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: it's twenty seven. All in the places rock and you're like,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: oh my god, and Matthew Stafford and Cooper Cup connect
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: on a bomb and you know, I think you go
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: to enough games in your life where it sid you
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: can always tell from the arc of a past whether
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be caught, Like you can do the geometry
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: in your hand and you're like, oh my god, like,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: oh my god. You know, we get it, you know,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: we get it.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: You know we we throw the ball down.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: You're like, we're actually gonna go win this game in regulation,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: which you thought had no prayer. You kick the field
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: goal and you get in the locker room and just crazy.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: And one of the cool things about you know, so
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: that play and then Sofi Stadium and knowing because we
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: already knew the Niners and one we were coming back
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: to the new championship game. You may know the Sofi
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: Stadium is basically an led E screen, So on the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: plane home, you fly right over Sofi Stadium. We had
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: on the roof we ran the loop of the Stafford
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: to Cup pass for our players to see as they
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: flew in. You know, back to LA for you know,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: kind of the NFC Championship. I know, I remember that,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: you know, I remember the tip pass that wanted against
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: you know, the the Niners, all all of that. But
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: to to win an NFC Championship against your you know,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: most bitter rival, and to win a Super Bowl in
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: your own building, it's all it's all there, but the
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: Cooper Cup pass.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: For sure, you're in LA.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: A lot of celebrity fans come to these games, maybe
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: the most surprising or you know, best celebrity story as
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: coming to so far, whether it be super Bowl week
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: or whether it be any regular season game that you've
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: had a chance to interact with that you're just like,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: what is going on here?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: You know, super Bowl was crazy and you know that
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: regard and you kind of get used to.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: I would take a couple weeks.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: Ago, we had show hey o Tani for his first game,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: and like Thursday night game and you bring him in
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: the locker room and he's hanging with the players, and
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: you know just how wide eyed he was. And this
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: guy is probably the greatest athlete on the planet right now.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, it'd be like if Patrick Mahomes and Micah
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: Parsons were the same player, like, I mean, you try
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: to think about that, you know, and you know, so
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: then you you get to, you know, all of the
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: entertainers and the fun and then you know, you also
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: get to, you know, the silly things from our generation
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: when you know, the Sarah Michelle Gellers show up and
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: you're like, you know, you're like, yeah, you're like teenage.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: Kevin's fired up right now, you know.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like when when Debbie Gibson tweeted at me, yes.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: You know, but you know what's so funny. I mean
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: you talk about memories.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: I remember we had Warren g play halftime of a
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: wildcard game against Arizona Stadium's Rocket. This is before the
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: NFL is done. They're crazy halftime show, which was awesome.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: But you know, you just LA is a special place
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: when you get it rolling, you know, but she's still
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: magic Johnson, Kareem, you know, the athletes still always you know,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: Lebron they always do well in LA.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Two all right, last one. And it's too pronged. Underappreciated
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: player on the Los Angeles Rams and then underappreciated person
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: in our NFL world that you think is there's some
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: shout out on this.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Podcast underappreciated player in the Los Angeles Rams. I'm going
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: to go with two each side of the ball. Rob Havenstein,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: you know, our right tackle, who has been one of
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: the foundational pieces and he's one of the only guys
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: to have started a Super Bowl with both Jared and
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: Matthew like you just since we drafted him in twenty fifteen.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: You know the rock and we're so young on the
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: offensive line. You got Alaric Jackson, undrafted, third year Steve Avila,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: first year Coleman Shelton's third or fourth year, Kevin Dotson's
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: in his fourth year.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, Rob Havenstein's like glue young.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're the second You had that
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: great stat about the Packers on Good Morning Football. I
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: think we're the second or third youngest team in football.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: You know, so Rob Hevenstein is kind of that glue
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: of the offense, you know, certainly the offense line. And
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: then I say on the Ernest Jones, third year linebacker, broke.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: This great super Bowl.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: That great in the Super Bowl, you know when you
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: talk about someone who handles that. We signed Bobby Wagner,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: which kind of lessened his role last year. But I
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: think in terms of and this is a great life lesson.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say for all millennials and gen
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: Z because that's you know, painting with wide brushes. You know,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: has a sack and a tip pass in the Super
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: Bowl knocks away a four down ball. We bring in
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: Bobby Wagner who takes a back seat, but he learns
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: so much from Bobby Wagner as a mentor, as a leader,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: and you see that pain dividends that this year. And
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: I think for all of us who get jobs young, Hey,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: I'm the man. I can do this, like, it's great
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: to have mentors being able to take a step back,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: take a lesser role, watch someone. I mean you want
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: to You're not going to find a better human being
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: on this earth than Bobby Wagner. I could answer your
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: second question, you know, with with a Bobby you know
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: Wagner shout out. But you know to me, you know,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: Ernest Jones has been you know, the heartbeat of this
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: defense is our signal caller and the lifeblood and just
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: someone that you love watching grow each day in his
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: third year.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I love it all right now in our world in
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: the NFL, could be another player, could be another coach,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: could be a league employee, could be an employee at
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: the RAMS, someone that maybe doesn't get enough love and
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: you say, hey, this guy is really good or this
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: gal is really good at what they do.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: Look, I'm not going to say anybody at the RAMS
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: because I'd have to go three hundred deep.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: You know there. You know I love all my children equally,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: and you know.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: So I love all our employees equally. I'm going to
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: go off the raid our NFL league office.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: Dave Gardy.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Talk about Guardy.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: You know, one of the bedrock has been there forever.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: You know, someone who knows the rule book inside out.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: When you know, when you're angry and pissed off on
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: a Monday and you know you want to complain about
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: it officiating or something that the league did, Dave gets
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: the call from all of us and he handles it
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: with such grace, right, I mean, I can't think of
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: someone who's MFT more on a weekly basis then Dave Guardy,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: and he just he handles it so well. He represents
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: everything that's great about the NFL. And you've had Mike
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: North on all the time. I mean, the choice words
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: I gave Mike North Sunday from the locker room in
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: San Francisco when they were debating Saturday night or Sunday
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: night for our game. You know, we we We've said,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: you know, I did a couple of times on this
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: podcast that's nowhere near whether or actually when we got
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: our schedule on May and I'm yelling at Mike North,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Dave Guardy gets on a weekly basis from all thirty
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: two of us. You know, he's the person who shows
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: up at game operations. He leads the competition committee, you
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: know meetings. He works closely with Troy Vincent. Just one
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: of those good guys in the NFL who never gets
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: gets any recognition. And you and I talk about this
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: all the time. You know, one of the things that
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: I disliked the most about the NFL is that you know,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: one man's downfalls another man's opportunity. And I think that
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: makes us you know a lot caddye And you know,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: always looking, you know what team who's getting fired?
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: And does that mean there's an opportunity?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Have you always say? Are they can in their coach? Okay?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: Well if so?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: You know, we need to be better cheerleaders of each other,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: you know, at all thirty two franchises and you know,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: the league office and when when I say something like that,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: like they you know, there's so many good people on
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: other teams who deserve shout outs, but Dave Guardy is
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: the first one that comes to mind for me.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: I love that. Let's wrap with this. I always do
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: this on the podcast. You have an elevator ride at
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: the Combine or the Senior Bowl, or you name it,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: the league meetings in West Palm or Arizona, and a
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: young man or woman comes in with a resume and
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: a Manila folder and they're a junior in college, or
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: they're a sophomore in law school, or they're just off
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: the street and they learn that there's a big NFL
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: event and this is their opportunity. And you get in
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: this elevator and the elevator closes, and the young man
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: or woman looks at you and says, I'll do anything
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: to get in the NFL. What is your advice? And
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: you have just the elevator elevator ride to share with them.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: What is your elevator advice for this young man or woman?
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: My advice is always the same, you know, major in
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: whatever you want, because it doesn't matter right you don't
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: have to be a sports management sports business major. If
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: you you want to major in Greek philosophy, be my guest, like,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: go be the best version. The first version people see
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: of you all the time is email. Make sure your
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: email is well written, clear, concise. That's how ninety five
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: percent of the world's going to judge you when you're
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: a first and it's.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Not like pullo sport girl eleven or it's yeah, you know,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: and you know, make sure that at gmail dot com.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: You know, go volunteer at your university in the football office,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: at the athletic department. Don't just tell me you'll do anything.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: Show me that you've gone work. And I don't care
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: if you go work, you know, selling tickets for sure,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: you know women's soccer, or if you're the right hand
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: to the head football coach, that doesn't matter to me.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: I want to see you do that so I can
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: go talk to someone about your work, ethic and your drive.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: And then finally, if you truly love the NFL, there's
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: so many great ways, whether it's over the cap or
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: PFF for all these sites. Now you can go learn
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: some of that trade, and you know you can.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: Go do it.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: Start a blog, start a podcast. Like there's so many
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: ways when you and I were coming up that you.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: Couldn't do this. And I don't say that.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to read your stuff and say like, oh,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: you have this amazing insight about the offensive line and
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: we're going to go hire you. I just want to
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: know how you think. I want to see that you
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: can put it all together, you know, and have that initiative,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: and look, be be bold, be creative, and look, if
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: you decide I want to go work, you know, at
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: a factory or at a tech company or Wall Street,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: Mean it's twenty two.
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  Speaker 3: Your path is, you know, if you don't get in football,
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  Speaker 3: if you don't go to sports, its not driven. Go
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  Speaker 3: do what you're passionate about. You will find your way
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  Speaker 3: to where you should be. Like, be patient, you know,
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  Speaker 3: be optimistic, and you know, don't just take any job,
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  Speaker 3: take the one you really want.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin, this is awesome, President of the Los Angeles Rams,
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  Speaker 1: on the biggest week of the RAMS season and certainly
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  Speaker 1: the most dramatic Wildcard game in a few days. I
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  Speaker 1: so appreciate you taking the hour and change to sit
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  Speaker 1: with me. You're great at what you do and obviously.
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  Speaker 1: We so appreciate your time. Dude.
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  Speaker 3: It's if we had been talking in May and you
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  Speaker 3: would say the rams for ten and seven in the
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  Speaker 3: wildcard hunt, I would have said, you're damn right, we are.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, Yeah, I liked it.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go have some fun this weekend. Thanks Peter, have.
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  Speaker 1: Fun, dude, Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I talked to them off pretty often because he's
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: got big picture stuff and it's not so much aaron
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  Speaker 1: about like, you know, here is the scoop on you know,
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  Speaker 1: this guy's ankle injury. We don't talk. We talk big
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  Speaker 1: picture stuff. You could tell that guy's a leader and
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  Speaker 1: you know, pretty impressive in his own right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean he like he was saying that
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  Speaker 2: the amount of people who have come through that door
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  Speaker 2: that he has worked with and to be there for
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  Speaker 2: multiple regimes and like the different the connections to different
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  Speaker 2: coaches as well as different quarterbacks. Loved hearing that, especially
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  Speaker 2: going into this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: My big takeaway is it's it's the frustration that those
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: who know have over the Raheem Morris situation is real
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: and it comes from Kevin. I speak to Kyle Shanahan
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  Speaker 1: about it. It comes to guys like Lafleur, all of
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: these guys who have worked with Rahiema like that's the
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: that's the voice of the locker room, that's the voice
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  Speaker 1: who gets the players. And yet year after a year
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: comes by and he's not getting a head coaching job.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. As we're recording this, there's
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: the several vacancies, and yet I have no assurance that
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: Rahee Morris is getting one of these jobs this year. Either.
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  Speaker 2: It's impressive to have a front office like actively be
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  Speaker 2: like we this, we love this guy, we want that's
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: a secure organization, so we want him to get his
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: shot at being a head coach.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is wild. That is a secure organization. Other
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: organizations would guard these guys like their gold. With the Rams,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: it's like we've had thirty different guys come and go like, well,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: we're happy for all of them. The tree is what's important.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: Everyone go branch out.
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  Speaker 2: I think he used the phrase we were trying to
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: sell him or sell the like other teams on him,
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  Speaker 2: as opposed to like we're denying interviews. It's like no,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: they yeah, they're fighting for him, which is great. You
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: love to see that from an organization.
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  Speaker 1: You love to see it, all right, So that's Rams
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  Speaker 1: versus Lions Sunday night. I can't wait for it. Let's
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: do the Uber Eats Delivering Results, Aaron, how's that sound?
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: Last week was Week eighteen. We got to give it
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: to somebody, and the person I'm going to give it
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: to is actually a Los Angeles ram. I'm going to
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: give it to Pooka Nakula. Pooka Nakula broke the single
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: season record, which is pretty impressive for not only hatches
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: for a rookie, but for yards for a rookie in
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: a season. He did it with Carson Wentz throwing him dimes.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Pooka Nakua breaks the record, gives the
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: ball to his mother, their smiles all abound. We'll see
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: what he could do this weekend. But when you break
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: two two long standing NFL records like catches for a
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: rookie in a season and receiving yards in a rookie season,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: and oh yeah, you're the twentieth wide receiver selected in
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: the draft and you're a fifth round pick, you get
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: my love. I'm gonna say, Pooka Nakua gets the Uber
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Delivering Results. Uber Eats Delivering results where you can get
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: almost almost anything from Uber eats. On that note, there's
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: a plenty of games this weekend Rams Lions is the
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: one I've got circled. I hope you guys enjoyed listening
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: to this. Such a good insight in hiring coaches. McVeigh,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: Stafford Golf, Aaron Wan, Kaufman, Jason English, all the boys
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: and gals on the West Coast, and especially you guys,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: the listeners. Thanks for listening. I feel like we're doing
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: some pretty cool stuff over here. They'll be not as
• 1:17:08
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• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Williams wants to come on, feel free, If Aaron Rodgers
• 1:17:13
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• 1:17:18
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• 1:17:20
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