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Jaguars Happy Hour | Counting Down to the 2026 NFL Draft · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Draft Day, twenty twenty six. This is Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: Happy Hours, and now a guy who knows the real
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  Speaker 1: number fifty six is sitting right next to him. JP
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  Speaker 1: check forever, Yes, so welcome in. It is the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: Happy Hour, busy show ahead the NFL Draft is here
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  Speaker 1: for twenty twenty six, coming up at eight o'clock tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up on this show.
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  Speaker 1: The draft beginning of course, James Gladstone, the general manager
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  Speaker 1: with his second draft as the Jaguars GM. Some possible
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  Speaker 1: strategies moving ahead this weekend or or or maybe tonight.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into that coming up. We'll look ahead to
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  Speaker 1: Friday and Saturday. The Jaguars currently currently with eleven picks
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  Speaker 1: in the draft, including four on Friday, and our coverage
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  Speaker 1: preview on Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube, including the
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  Speaker 1: pre draft show coming up tonight. We'll have a John
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  Speaker 1: Osier in with us at four thirty kai Nantie Stevens
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  Speaker 1: at four forty five JP shatterck with you or on
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  Speaker 1: ten ten XL Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube. Yes, number
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  Speaker 1: fifty six in your program, number one in your heart.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Log of its yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good afternoon, JP.
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  Speaker 1: How are you. I'm doing good man. The draft is
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  Speaker 1: always fun, it is. It's a it's always represents hope
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  Speaker 1: for every franchise that's out there, and especially the teams
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  Speaker 1: that haven't been winning a whole lot. Now, the teams
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  Speaker 1: that win consistently, the draft is not that big of
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  Speaker 1: a deal, you know, it's but it's a great opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to supplement the roster and get better for even the
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  Speaker 1: teams that win, and so it it's got some excitement
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  Speaker 1: to it, but not for this team tonight, or at
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  Speaker 1: least not yet. Yeah. Yeah, those rumors out there. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: if you follow social media and all the I follow it, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I follow it. Do you think there's fire where smoke?
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  Speaker 1: Is that supposed to be the other way? Is there
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  Speaker 1: fire where there is smoke? Where there's smoking, where there's smoked?
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  Speaker 2: The question was is there fire?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm not in
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  Speaker 1: that room. You know, I think it's an interesting thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I will say this, if Brian Thomas Junior
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  Speaker 1: had a year like he had his rookie year last year,
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  Speaker 1: there wouldn't even be any conversations about this, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but there was a market drop off in production. There
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  Speaker 1: was injuries that were I think partly responsible for that.
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  Speaker 1: But then do you remember one moment if you think
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  Speaker 1: back to last year, and this is what kind of
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  Speaker 1: has me going, what you know what happened? Because if
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  Speaker 1: you go back to his rookie year, you remember the
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  Speaker 1: game in Miami, the.
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  Speaker 2: First game he was barking at Jalen Ramsey. After that,
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 1: Like, who's this guy? Yeah right, I mean, who's this
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  Speaker 1: guy that's given it to Jalen Ramsey? Did you see
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  Speaker 1: one of those moments last year?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we know very well the issues earlier
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  Speaker 1: in the season ducking out of routes and of winning
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  Speaker 1: hits and things. I mean, you know what, I'll give you,
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  Speaker 1: I'll give a little bit of credit to him. As
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  Speaker 1: the season went. He continued to fight and he was
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  Speaker 1: blocking for guys later in the season.
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  Speaker 2: His head was still in the game.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not quit, you know, trying to to down
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  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior. I'm just saying that there was there
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  Speaker 1: was a different performance last year and a different attitude
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  Speaker 1: last year than compared to year one, and for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: but but Brian had his good moments. I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: had some big plays that he made and and I
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  Speaker 1: thought that he got better as he got healthier, but
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  Speaker 1: it's he still didn't reach that level that he had
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  Speaker 1: his rookie year to where each and every game this
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  Speaker 1: team was dependent upon him to get things going. And
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  Speaker 1: last year that wasn't the case. And so to get
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  Speaker 1: back to the original statement, I mean, where there's smoke,
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  Speaker 1: there's fire, because you know, the smoke that we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about is that we saw a different performance in year
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  Speaker 1: two than we did in year one. And does that
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  Speaker 1: mean that he's on the trade block. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: the answer to that, but we're you know, gonna find
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  Speaker 1: out tonight. James Gladstone, I guess a little over a
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  Speaker 1: month ago called such talk of Thomas being in trade
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  Speaker 1: talks quote fraudulent end quote. But I mean circumstances could change,
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  Speaker 1: you never know. I think I think, look, here's the reality,
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  Speaker 1: and what does it really take to get back up
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  Speaker 1: in the first round from fifty six? It's a long
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  Speaker 1: way back in the second round, you know. Well, And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know that. I think it's just gonna
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  Speaker 1: be it's an interesting watch. And when things keep popping
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  Speaker 1: up with that with that player, you sit there and
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  Speaker 1: you go, hmm, is there something to that? But then again,
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  Speaker 1: I just reflect back on last year and I saw
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  Speaker 1: a different player last year than I did the year before,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to see the guy. Look, I think
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  Speaker 1: Brian's a wonderful player if he plays like what he
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  Speaker 1: did his rookie year, because he can take the top
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  Speaker 1: off of defenses. He's got a swagger about him, and
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  Speaker 1: he provides energy to the team when he plays like
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  Speaker 1: he did his rookie year. And let's remember this regime
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  Speaker 1: did not draft him. Yeah, And I don't put as
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  Speaker 1: much into that because I think that look if if
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  Speaker 1: they didn't draft him, but he's knocking it out of
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  Speaker 1: the park. I mean, there's other guys that didn't draft it,
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  Speaker 1: they just gave contracts to, right, you know. So so
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  Speaker 1: I don't look at that as well, that's not his guy,
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  Speaker 1: or that that's his guy and that's not his guy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't look at it that way. I look at
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  Speaker 1: it as you know, what's the performance level at and
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  Speaker 1: if the performance level and are you expecting it to
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  Speaker 1: be ascending? You know? And that's the biggest thing with
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  Speaker 1: this leadership group. Is that you want to see ascension
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  Speaker 1: in performance. We do know that this regime, this leadership
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  Speaker 1: group in last year's draft was very bold. They weren't
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  Speaker 1: scared to move up to that spot to get Travis Hunter.
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  Speaker 1: They made two other in draft trades over that weekend
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  Speaker 1: last year, so three total in draft trades for James
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  Speaker 1: Gladstone his first time in. He's got picks to deal.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a lot of picks next year as well.
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  Speaker 1: You know, how many do you move back or move forward?
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  Speaker 1: It's all a chess game, and we'll see what he
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  Speaker 1: has in mind. But I don't think they would just
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  Speaker 1: sit status quo at all of these picks over the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: I just have a feel and that's not going to
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  Speaker 1: be the case. Well maybe not. I mean, look, if
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  Speaker 1: you can flip some picks, and I'm a big fan
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  Speaker 1: and I'm a big believer in this, is that if
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  Speaker 1: you can take picks now and then next year you
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  Speaker 1: trade this year's pick and get a higher pick next
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  Speaker 1: year and then maybe an extra pick next year, then
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  Speaker 1: you do it, you know, because you have to have
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  Speaker 1: the long term view of building the franchise. And look,
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  Speaker 1: James and Tony and Liam can take the long view.
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  Speaker 1: There's other leaderships that maybe can't do that because they're
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  Speaker 1: feeling the heat or feeling the pressure, but they should
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  Speaker 1: absolutely take the long view and then if you can,
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  Speaker 1: if you can sell assets today to get more assets
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  Speaker 1: for the future, I think you absolutely have to consider
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  Speaker 1: that now, especially given the amount of picks that they
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  Speaker 1: have in this draft, which is eleven and that's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: It says Jaguars Happy Hour on Tentinexlamjaguars dot Com, Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: YouTube JP Shadow with Jeff Lagman coming up at four thirty,
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  Speaker 1: we'll have John Osier, Jaguars dot Com Senior Writer. Then
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  Speaker 1: at four forty five, County Stevens joins US Jaguars reporter
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  Speaker 1: in studio. Now to the draft overall, the of course,
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  Speaker 1: the Las Vegas Raiders have the number one pick. Surprise
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  Speaker 1: is probably gonna be Fernando Mendoza. That's been kind of
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  Speaker 1: the chalk pick throughout. I don't think there's any reason
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  Speaker 1: why it would be anything else. No. The curious thing though,
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  Speaker 1: is when does the next quarterback go? Tys Simpson has
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  Speaker 1: been basically the kind of the next quarterback in that group,
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  Speaker 1: but is he even a first round pick? It's a
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  Speaker 1: little different than from some years past when you have three,
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  Speaker 1: four five quarterbacks go in the first round. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: would be surprised if he doesn't go in the first
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  Speaker 1: round just because of the position. I mean, you gotta
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  Speaker 1: be willing to And I was actually told this couple
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  Speaker 1: of years ago, and I thought about it and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, you know, it makes total sense. And they
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  Speaker 1: said to me, and I can't remember exactly who it was,
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  Speaker 1: he said, you know, and it might have been Gus
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  Speaker 1: Bradley and I are talking about, you know, draft picks
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  Speaker 1: such and he said, you know, and let's say you
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  Speaker 1: like a quarterback in round two, you know, and you
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  Speaker 1: think that he can be a starter, you know, or
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  Speaker 1: in round three. I said, okay, he goes. Do you
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  Speaker 1: wait around until you know, the round three or four,
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  Speaker 1: which you like him at I'm like yeah, I said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to get value. And he said, well, if
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  Speaker 1: you believe he's a franchise guy, then why would you
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  Speaker 1: wait until round three to draft him? And so I
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  Speaker 1: think that applies to a lot of quarterbacks that you know.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes we say that that position gets overdrafted, well rightly.
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  Speaker 1: So it's because of the importance of the position. And
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  Speaker 1: if you hit on that franchise guy, you know, hey,
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  Speaker 1: look it could pay huge dividends. And Kirk Cousins is
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  Speaker 1: a perfect example of that. You know. RG three and
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  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, same draft, you know, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousin turns out to be the franchise guy and
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  Speaker 1: RG three has a franchise year but doesn't have any
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  Speaker 1: staying power at that franchise level. And or you know it,
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  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins has made arguably more money maybe than anybody
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  Speaker 1: else in the National Football League besides about maybe four guys.
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  Speaker 1: And let's say you okay, we're gonna wait and see
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  Speaker 1: if he falls to us in the second or third round.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's no guarantee somebody else picks him before,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And that's why I believe that Ty Simpson
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  Speaker 1: is gonna go in the first round. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: may be off on that, but I believe he will
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  Speaker 1: just because the importance of the position and the reality
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  Speaker 1: is there's a lot of teams out there that they
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  Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback. Who the Cardinals gonna roll out
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  Speaker 1: there Day one? That's a great question, right, You could
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  Speaker 1: say that for some other team Clevelands gonna roll out
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  Speaker 1: their day one. They took two last year, why not
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  Speaker 1: take another one? Antoby Brissette, Cardinals, Gardner, Minshew's there now
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  Speaker 1: the Minshee who come on? Minshew Mania running wild in Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: Another big story line is what will be the number
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  Speaker 1: two pick the Jets are there? Is it an edged player?
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  Speaker 1: David Bailey's been a name from Texas Tech is an
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  Speaker 1: edge player. Rbl Reese, same thing out of Ohio State.
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  Speaker 1: Those two I've been in play as the second pick,
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  Speaker 1: and nobody really knows what the Jets are gonna do.
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  Speaker 1: Who's their quarterback? Who's going to play quarterback for them? JP?
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  Speaker 1: Oh it's gonna be uh Geno Smith? Okay, you think
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  Speaker 1: Geno Smith is a long term answer? I don't know
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  Speaker 1: about that. You remember Geno that we saw in Vegas
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  Speaker 1: last year? I do? How'd that go? I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. You're the Jets guy, not me. You tell
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  Speaker 1: me you're the one that got drafted there, not me?
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  Speaker 1: Brady cooks On Bailey clauded when I got drafted to
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  Speaker 1: by the way, changed reality here. Remember the head coaches
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  Speaker 1: right now? Defensive head coach well Saron Glenn Right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so you think they're gonna go defense. Uh. Look, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know where they're gonna go at. But the Jets
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  Speaker 1: are a mess. I mean right now that it starts
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  Speaker 1: at the top, the Jets are a mess. And I
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  Speaker 1: hope that they get better just for the fan base
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  Speaker 1: because they've been a long suffering fan base until they
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  Speaker 1: get a quarterback back, then they're going to be struggling.
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  Speaker 1: Ye know. And didn't they weren't they the ones that
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  Speaker 1: drafted the guy that just won a Super Bowl? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: They were, they were. They certainly were in a different
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  Speaker 1: time and place. Yeah, they would have probably cut Patrick
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  Speaker 1: Mahomes too, you know, I mean they let you go, so,
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  Speaker 1: I mean they don't know that much. Well, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: have choice. Those contract was up. Ritchie co type became
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  Speaker 1: the head coach and I was running for the door, JP,
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  Speaker 1: I bet you were. Uh. And another storyline is how
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  Speaker 1: hot is Jeremiah love Go, the running back from Notre
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  Speaker 1: Dame has been anywhere in the top from three to
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinals to come down in the first round. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but before we get I want you to roll down
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  Speaker 1: the list here of of you know, teams that have
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  Speaker 1: young quarterbacks. On that list, Okay, but do you really
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  Speaker 1: consider drafting a running back in the first round? I
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  Speaker 1: mean as a top pick. I don't think you do
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  Speaker 1: anymore Giants. I mean that Love is a quarterback, right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Darts a quarterback? Okay, and then Love take
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  Speaker 1: the place of Saquon You know who? You know who
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  Speaker 1: running back in the draft's best friend is is a
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  Speaker 1: is a freshly drafted first round pick quarterback that's not
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  Speaker 1: showing that he's a true franchise guy yet. You know
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  Speaker 1: why you're trying to prop up your guy. Let's think
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  Speaker 1: back in Jaguars history. Okay, what did Blake Portles need?
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  Speaker 1: Needed a running game support? Right? You needed planter four net?
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  Speaker 1: You need to give him a running back? How did
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  Speaker 1: that work out? Well? I mean how much of that
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  Speaker 1: was Blake? How much of that was the My point
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  Speaker 1: is is that is that? Look? I mean, if you're
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  Speaker 1: a running back, your best friend is a franchise that
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  Speaker 1: just drafted a quarterback that maybe not showing signs that
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  Speaker 1: he's a hands down franchise guy yet, because that's the
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  Speaker 1: team that's gonna want to draft you. They went to
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  Speaker 1: the AMC Championship game that year. How many years did
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  Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette. Play here what three four? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: So they went to the a f C chair. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so so let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this because the defense.
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  Speaker 1: Lost Mahomes Leonard Fournette. Well, yeah, I'm with me on
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  Speaker 1: that now, yes, absolutely, yeah, sure, But that wasn't the
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  Speaker 1: mindset back then it should have been you said that
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  Speaker 1: you were banging the table. Then I remember in the studio.
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  Speaker 1: That's how it goes sometimes quarterback franchise quarterback. Hey, you
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  Speaker 1: know what's uh, you know what we're gonna do, which
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  Speaker 1: we always do on Jaguars Happy are coming up in
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. We're gonna talk to the computer, Mike,
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  Speaker 1: and we asked them who's who's a better draft pick,
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  Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette or Patrick mahon can but I've already asked
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  Speaker 1: a question that we'll get an answer to. We can
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  Speaker 1: double up again if you like. That would be a
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  Speaker 1: funny question when we come back. Let's do that. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna talk to computer. We're gonna ask it
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  Speaker 1: to open the Podbey doors and we return. About the
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  Speaker 1: frequency of first round trades in the NFL draft. Then
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  Speaker 1: at four thirties, John Ozerjaguars dot Com senior writer Connanny
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  Speaker 1: Stevens at four forty five. NFL Draft is upon us
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  Speaker 1: the first round tonight at eight o'clock. No picks currently
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  Speaker 1: for the Jaguars. Currently, we'll see what happens is the
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  Speaker 1: evening moves along on Tentenexlam, Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 4: What we'll really focus on is taking players that we
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  Speaker 4: feel have a very clear fit within the way we operate,
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  Speaker 4: regardless of what that might mean in terms of the
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  Speaker 4: outward perspective. Right, it's what fits us at what makes
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  Speaker 4: sense to us, and at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: if they help us win football games, that's a win
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  Speaker 4: for the Jaguars. Care about that, you know, typically typically
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  Speaker 4: it's not the spot we put the energy in.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't good with grades even back in elementary school,
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  Speaker 4: So why be good at them now?
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  Speaker 1: You know? It's wins and losses. James Gladstone and Liam
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  Speaker 1: Cohen at the pre draft luncheon a couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back. It is Jaguars Happy hour, Liam Cohen. They're
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  Speaker 1: asking him, Oh, you don't care about the draft grades? Huh,
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  Speaker 1: imagine that and the answer there. Of course, we'll find
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  Speaker 1: out what James Gladstone has up his sleeve. Coming up.
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  Speaker 1: We're on ten ten XLAM Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube
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  Speaker 1: and it's time now to go to Microsoft co Pilot
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  Speaker 1: for answers to a question about draft trade history. What's
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  Speaker 1: the average number of first round trades made in draft
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  Speaker 1: over the last decade of the NFL draft of the Saints.
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: That's uh, that's correct. That's for last week's answer. The
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  Speaker 1: answer is the average number of in draft first round
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  Speaker 1: trades over the past decade is about five point five
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  Speaker 1: per draft in the first round, in the first round, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: the average. So there's a lot of first round movement
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  Speaker 1: pick or two here there, you know, sliding up and down.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, the Jaguars made the big trade last year
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  Speaker 1: to move up to number two to get Travis Hunter. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and typically the number one reason if you asked the computer,
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  Speaker 1: what's the number one position that the trade happened because of,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be quarterbacks. Yeah, not running back, which
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe you take running backs in the first round.
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  Speaker 1: I used to think that you should, but I have
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  Speaker 1: become a believer that you do not do that. Sa
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  Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley is pretty good running back. I know he is, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, let's go back to the draft in
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  Speaker 1: which the Jaguars draft.
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  Speaker 2: Adrian Peterson was a pretty good running back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was not denying that. But what's the person
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  Speaker 1: percentages of running backs being of the caliber of a
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  Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley, okay, or Emmitt Smith. I mean, what's the
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  Speaker 1: chances of it? Right?
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: You know, to this day and age, with the way
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: offense is.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Played down, the longevity of running backs is just not
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: very common, number one. And it's a different game today
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: than what it was back in the seventies and eighties
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: and even in the nineties. The game has evolved, it's changed.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a couple running backs that you could
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: look at in the league that you could say, oh, yeah,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I would still draft them in the first round. But
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, overall, if you look at the percentages of it,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, you would be smarter trying to find that
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: position in other rounds. And I just also am a
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: big believer in that longevity also is a big factor
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: and premium position are a big factor as to who
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: you take in the first round in the premium positions,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: or are obviously the offensive and defensive lineman, wide receivers
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: because it's a passing game. Quarterback obviously is right there
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: at the top. Nobody else even comes close to that.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Pass rushers and people that cover. It's a passing league,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: you know, and it's you know, as much as I
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: wanted to resist what Pete Priscoe was trying to tell
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: me twenty five years ago, he was right. You know,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: it's a passing league, and you win by throwing the football.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: And that's I mean, for the most part true. It's
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: not very often that it's not true.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: The rules are built around that.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: It can happen without the ball being in the air lot.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: It's just not as common. Let's ask the computer who
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars should have drafted back in that draft that
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: we're talking of. Okay, this is we're just gonna kind
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: of wing it here, as they say, and we're gonna
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: ask Microsoft coat pilot, who should the Jaguars have drafted
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: in the first round of the twenty seventeen draft instead
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: of Leonard for that? Okay, the answer is this quote.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: The strongest answer is Patrick Mahone with Christian McCaffrey and
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: t J. Watt as the next best alternatives. End quote. Hmm,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: McCaffrey's running back to last I checked, Yeah, he is
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: t J. Watt not a running back. Not a running
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: back last time I checked. The two guys the quarterback
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: in the in the in the rusher edge rusher or
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: h o F guys Hall of Fame Guy Stands could
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: have taken that. I didn't know what it stood for.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't either until PSELLI got it what it meant?
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Uh no, Hey, you know what and you had the idea, Hey,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: let's just ask computer who the Jaguars? Who should they
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: draft this year? This year? So I think it's a
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: great question.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: See what they come up with.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: What does it say? Maybe they have answers we don't
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: even know exists yet. Are they factoring in that there's
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: smoke billowing from certain places on the I don't know that.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know how they go about finding this stuff.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I mean it's I mean, is there a they it?
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's like one hundred mice running
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: and wheels behind it. I have no idea this. I
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: don't know either. We should ask that question. I won't
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: ask that next to probably shut down. If I asked
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: it might it might self destruct work. You never know.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: We might get the right answer, we might not want
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the right answer. I don't know. Here's that. Who should
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars draft in the twenty twenty six NFL Draft?
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Simple question? Yes, broad answers right. Here's the answer. It
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: gave out the jaguars most likely and best fit targets
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: at number fifty six in the draft are front seven defenders,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: especially Anthony Hill, junior linebacker from Texas and Grayson Holton,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: defensive tackle out of Oklahoma, based on every major projection
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: and the team's stated needs. Okay, that's a fifty six.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: They didn't say the rest of the draft. Sorry, It'll
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: be interesting if AI if they get it right. If
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: they do they get it right, is there I wonder
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: if there's a like an AI draft like type in say,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: how is the first round? And a draft gonna go?
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: And then it spits you out a list, and then
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: if you ask them again, will they give you the
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: same answer or would it give you a yeah, a
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: different answer, you know, if you asked it, maybe in
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: a little different way. I don't know. I think that
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: would be interesting to do. I mean AI right now
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: is it's crazy. One was that chat GPT GPT competing
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: one for Microsoft COPI there's like how many how many
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: ais are there nowadays? I don't know.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know either. So I just did it and
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: it gives you.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: It gives you a spin out a list. No, it
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: does not. It a mock draft. Just take it a
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: little while. But it's doing. It's spitting it out. I said,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: do a complete first round mock draft in the twenty
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: twenty six NFL draft. The answer is, all right, let's
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: have some fun since Yeah, it's just like it's hilarious.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: And this is wrong.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: This is from two years this is uh, it's not accurate. Okay,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: it's tough to give it a little It's okay. Found
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: you know what, Hey, we're helping out. We can send
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: this back and they can work on their AI. Well,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: we got a pretty good idea who the first pick
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: is going to be tonight. And by the way, I'm
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: very happy to hear that he decided to not go
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: to the draft. His mom is UH has health issues
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: that prohibit her prohibits her from traveling in a in
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: a comfortable way, and UH and he wanted to be
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: able to stay with friends and family and obviously make
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: it easy for her, and I was very disappointed to
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: hear that the league was trying to convince him otherwise,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: and actually asked Peyton Manning to have a conversation with
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: him to try to convince him to go to the draft.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: You canna ask, no. I don't think there's anything wrong
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: with asking, but I mean when the guy gives the
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: reasons is to you know, look, here's what should happen.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Here's here's is what my mom in the situation want
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: to be with family. Don't ask them again. And this
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: is this is an idea that makes a lot of sense,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and I know Mike Florio's talked about it Pro Football Talk.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Pay the guys to come, Oh, everybody else is getting
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: paid to go. Well, that's kind of a novel idea.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Imagine that and then maybe you'd get a few more
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: guys to actually show. I think what all they do
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: now is that they offer to cover some expenses for
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the player and then the limited number of family. But yeah,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: they're not paying the players to be there, and everybody
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: else is getting paid. I'm sure that's involved with the
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: different broadcast because They're still going to get exposure whether
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: they're there or not. The exposure is not to sell anymore,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: you know. I think that's that's somewhere that the league
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: does not want to go because if they start and
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the floodgates open, then who you're not paying? And who
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: are you paying? Where's the division?
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Then it's like nil, Right, you know, I am not
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: going to to that draft. And maybe somebody else starts
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to hold a draft show and they want to go
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: to that one. I don't know, real quick, what do
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you want to hear from the GM tonight. I'm going
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to catch up with him before after the show. Actually
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: we'll running on our pre draft show. Just I don't
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: he's not going to give you much. I mean, you
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: know so, I mean, you can ask all the great
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: questions on the planet, but you're not going to get
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of information at this juncture, just not
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: you know, but I would ask him to rank or
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: give you the top three positions and not of need,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: but the top three positions that you feel really good
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: about acquiring in rounds two and three, because I mean, look,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: that's the that's the money rounds. And but I mean,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: because you know, what you can't sit there and say, hey, look,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: who are you going to draft the fifty six? And
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: then the other question that I would have is that
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: how many prospects are there in the draft? Little gosh,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I mean hundred, couple hundred more than that, right, like
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: three hundred or it's two hundred and fifty seven picks
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: more than that, so three let's say four hundred, okay,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: just for and it's probably somewhere in that range. Okay,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: four hundred. How many draftable guys do you have in
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: your room on your board? You know, because I guarantee
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: you they don't have four hundred. Okay, they don't rank everybody.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys that aren't even on their
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: board for what it be, you know it, personal issues, whatever,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: you know, bad guy, you know whatever. And to go
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: ask the question, how many guys do you have on
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: your board that you want to draft? What is that number?
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: And that's not something that he would probably shy away
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: from giving you the information on. I mean, I don't know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: is it eighty guys, is it seventy, is it one
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty? I don't know the answer to that,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: but I would love to know how many is that number.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: We'll come back in a moment. John Oser, you might
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: have heard of him, lugs Oh, he's huge. Jaguars dot
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: com dot com. He's the senior writer. Every time I
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: go to Jaguars dot com, Bam Ozone right there, he'll
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: be with us.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: He's gonna sit in that chair and talk with us
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: about football.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: He's like a celeb. He is. He's certain.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Johnny Ozone on ten ten.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Exelam, Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: It is Jaguars Happy Hour.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: It's gonna always gonna come with a little nuance. You know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: you're gonna compare across positions and where there's a clear
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: visual for contributions and a vision from our coaching staff
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: to seeing that player's skill set come to life. And
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: you would typically appreciate the fact that that could come
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: to life sooner than later. And all that stuff has
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: to be waited against each other. So when you got
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: two like players and one position allows maybe an earlier
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: wrong way, you'd lean towards that direction. But it's not
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: so black and white.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Jane Gladstone, Jaguars TM. A couple of weeks ago, the
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: pre draft luncheon with the media here at the Miller
• 28:13
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• 29:05
  Speaker 1: senior writer, joining us now and I do mean senior,
• 29:07
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• 29:10
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• 30:00
  Speaker 3: I love it, you know, I'm joking. It's fantastic. We're
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: excited about it and excited about the NFL draft. Was
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: over here to talk about.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Oh that's tonight the Jaguars have a pick.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: That's right, That's what we kind of forget sometimes. But
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: but will they before the end of the night. What's
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: with all this trade talk?
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not sure how accurate the trade talk is
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: in terms of going up to get position X. I
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: think some of that may be smoke screen about who
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: they're going to get, because that's I've never really known
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: pre draft talk to be that right. But I think
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: there's a good chance they. I mean, there's no doubt
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: they're exploring it, trying to ready if the right guys
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: are there, it's just a matter of if who they
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: really want is it is really there late in the
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: first round, and if there's a partner, it's it's so
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: hard to predict. We've been sitting here on this kind
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: of a show for fifteen years, JP and saying the
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: same thing. You can't really predict the first round of
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: the draft because nothing out there is real, and whatever
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: is real, you don't think it's real because everything else
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: is fake. So we'll be sitting here at ten o'clock
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: sort of waiting for the ball to drop, just like
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: everybody else.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I think another interesting question JP, for you to ask
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: James Gladstone and john Maybe you got an opinion on this,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: but you know, you go back a couple of years ago.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: They invented this draft chart, you know that assign values.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I think Jimmy Johnson may have been the first one
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: to come up with it years ago, that assigned a
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: value for each pick. And I'd be curious to know
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: does James Gladstone subscribe to some kind of a chart,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: and if so, is it something that he has created
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: or is it something that somebody else has created that
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: he continues to utilize, because you know, I mean when
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: we start talking about trades, I mean, you know, you
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: want to kind of find something that's gonna give you
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: an answer as to, Okay, is there value in doing
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: this trade?
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: The chart as or you can find the Jimmy Johnson
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: draft chart online.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: It's out there.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Everybody I've talked to in the last few years about
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: the chart says that's sort of a starting point. Conceptually,
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: that's sort of right, but everybody's got their own certain values,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: and then once you get into a certain draft, the
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: charts a guideline. But then if you really want a guy,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: you're willing to go off the chart a little bit.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: So my guess is that's probably. I'm sure they have
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: some sort of gauge they use. When I looked at
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: the chart to try to get up into twenty six
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: to thirty two, the chart tells you that it's going
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: to take most of their third round picks. And something
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: else my understanding is it wouldn't be as expensive as
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: that from what you read online, and it's a little
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: cheaper to get up into the first round than three
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: third round picks from fifty six, but who knows.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: We all talk about the chart before the draft and
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: then during the draft. It's what I was thinking. It's
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: more of a pre draft conversation. During the draft, it's
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: sort of Katie bar the door.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: John O's, one of US Jaguars dot Com senior writer
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: reports earlier today Pro Football Talk saying that Brian Thomas
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Junior could be part of a move to move up
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: into the first round. Jaguars wide receiver Mike Silver of
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: The Athletic later today tweeted out that his sources say
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: that a current player is not involved in that process. Again,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: that's he said. She said, you don't know until the
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: rubber hits the road.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Something with what we're all talking about today is probably true.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Guess what figuring get good luck figuring out which thing
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: is true, because again, there's so much that you don't
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: know what to believe. And welcome to the pre draft process.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: That's what it is.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes you don't know what to believe, but we're
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: gonna find out if there is anything to believe it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: They're not scared to be bold.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: We know that.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: Well, that's the biggest thing.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not sure that every past Jaguars regime
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: would have wanted to give up later round equity to
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: go from fifty six to first round. But these guys,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: or a lot of regimes in the NFL, you know,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: but these guys think different. They're they're bolder, and they
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: said when they came along, like anybody who watched the
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Travis Hunter Hunt stuff last year knows they're going to
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: be aggressive. And it's really not a big concern over
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: whether people think that it's the right thing to do
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: to aggress or whatever.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: This is a bold regime.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I like the idea of holding on to all the thirds.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I do. I don't want to see this. I mean, look,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: if you can find a way to sneak up into
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: round one by trading a player and maybe a third,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: okay I could.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: I could not give like all three of those.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: And I'm with you eighty one, eighty eight, and one
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: hundred in this draft, which is deep at some good
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: contributing positions, meaning tight end, outside back, or safety, which
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: are all the four positions we just named are all spots.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they need starters, but those are
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: nice positions to get in the third round. Who can
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: be starting contributing make you feel good about depth eighty
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: eight through one hundred, or eighty one through one hundred
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: or some pretty meaty and even on into the fourth,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: the fourth, one hundred and twenty six or somewhere in there.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Those are all spots where you know.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Going.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: They don't really move the needle with people who are
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: grading the draft on Monday, but in October and November
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: when you're watching the games, oh, there they are.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: And so I'm with Jeff.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: I don't think they'll give up the whole third round
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: or a whole swath of picks to move up. I
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: don't think that's what these guys they're about, or like we.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Were talking about earlier, I'm a big believer in that trading.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: If you've got you know, like now you got a
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: plethor of third round picks, right if you okay, let's
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: trade one of them for a future too, you know, Okay,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: that's smart, I think in my playbook, or a future
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: third and something else.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: And I'm not sure moving back from fifty six is
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: out of the question either. If if they look in
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: the third, you know they will continue to explore in each.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: Little pocket of the draft. What they want to do.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: But if it's not there, you know, if the SHOT's
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: not there, if they're getting triple teamed, you know, they're
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: not going to throw up a hail Mary just to
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: get into the first round for just because it's cool
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: to have a first round pick. So I think trading
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: from fifty six back and getting more into that what
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: most people believe is a very fertile third round.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: This year, I could easily see.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Them trying to compile picks in that round.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: You guys match, by the way, nice shirts. We talked.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: We texted earlier to text.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: We couldn't reach you. We tried to. We tried to
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: call you.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: You're not the only our text didn't go through.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: It's funny how that works sometimes, you know you actually, uh,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: you've trimmed and got a haircut. That's impressed.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Thanks a lot.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Johnny got a haircut too. It took five minutes, but
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I've got a time. Look at you now, I'll trust
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: to the not.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: You're all tall enough. Oh yeah, the.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Only thing you're missing is a teal jacket.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm not in the Ring of honor.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Pride of the Jacks is not only a teal jackets
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: go to those games, no chance for you, JP the
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: chance all.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Right, Johnny.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: We're looking forward to Jaguars dot Com coverage all weekend.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: We've got a draft show come up at seven thirty.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: You'll be on that absolutely. I'll see you on the
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: couch in there.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: And good to be back with you.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Guys.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: Hadn't seen Jeff in a while.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: So what do we do.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: It's always good.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: We should hang out outside of here.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: Sometimes let's go somewhere, John.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Oser out of here, Jaguars dot Com Senior writer in
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: a moment, Kay Steemens in studio with us on ten XL,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube. It is Jaguars Happy Hour.
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: I think it's cool to see the impact and effect
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: that the other side of the ball has, what that
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: player can maybe do to help truly our team, not
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: just in defense, but also on teams and special teams,
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: and what that looks like, and trying to have an
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: open mind to some of those nuances that a defensive
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: player could possess a little bit more or different value
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: than a tight end right or a different position that
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: we're talking about on offense. So I've actually come to
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: enjoy it. I found that there's a lot of ways
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: obviously that you can impact the game without touching the
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: football and having an impact on every single play the
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: most fun about as.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Boring as it is. Liam Going, Jaguars head coach of
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the pre draft lunch a couple of weeks ago. Welcome
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Back Jaguars Happy Hour from the Hondai Studios to x LAM,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube JP, Shadwrick, Jeff Loghman, Jaguars
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: reporter kuy Donnie Stevens in studio with us. Now, good afternoon, Ky, Hello,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: this is weird.
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: I'm never here normally. I'm at like a fan party.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, true, no fan party this first round. Tomorrow, fan
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: party tomorrow night though, mister Chubby's wings Pantavitri. Yeah, talking
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: about no fan party tonight, but we got a big
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: party at mister Chubby's tomorrow night.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Will you be there?
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Of course I will be there, and uh, I will
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: have probably a wing in each hand.
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: I was gonna say that's kind of a given, but well,
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: you know.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: How good they are. You can see k H likes
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: to sneak into the broadcast booth on game I do
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I steal the halftime because we got mister Chubby's wings.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: They bring us Monday Happy hour. They feed the production
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: crew in here. Yes, oh nice, it's dangerous. Nice, it's dangerous.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: They got good cheeseburgers too, but the wings were where
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: it's at for me. Kay. The Jaguars do not have
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: a first round pick. We will they for the end
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: of the night.
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I mean last year obviously they had
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: a massive trade and nobody knew about it till the
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: last second. So that's certainly something that could happen today.
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: But we're on standby for that and I think that's
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: fair enough. But Gladstone will do whatever he has to do.
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: I think that's what we've learned.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be interesting to see what
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: really is true, you know, because in terms of reports,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: there's always reports out there, and here's the reality. I
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: like I said before, where they're smoke, there's fire. I
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: think you absolutely have to listen. If people are.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Gonna call, absolutely you listen.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, the reality is is that you I
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: don't want to say every player is tradable, but I
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: mean nearly every player is tradable. You know, if somebody
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: knocks your socks off with a great offer. You're going
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: to be willing to part with anybody, with the exception
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: of somebody that's going to have a most cap hit.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: You know, we might need to lock the head coach
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: in another room when you do it, but you know, yeah,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: that's fine. But I would be disappointed if James Gladstone
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: did not answer some phone calls about potential trades for
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: any player. I mean, you got to listen to everything.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: If you got an opportunity which you believe can make
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: your team better, pull the trigger. Pull the trigger, do it.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: And that's one thing about James. I don't get the
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: impression that he is scared of nothing. I don't. I
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: don't think he's scared of anything.
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: I'm going to see how the board falls.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and yeah, what are they actually targeting? If
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: it slides down? You know, what's that borderline? How far
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: can they get up? You know, all that comes into play.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And I think also that goes back to you know,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: what I was wanting to ask James later, is that
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: what how many people do you have that you consider draftable?
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: You know, because I mean, look, there's four hundred prospects
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: whatever there is, but you probably don't have but a
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: limited number of fraction of that that you could consider draftable,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure at fifty six you probably got probably
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: five or six guys that you would feel comfortable drafting
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: at number fifty six. I would think, just depending on
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: how that board falls, you know, of head of fifty six,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: but you know in the position a lot of people
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: are wanting to focus in on positions of need, but
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. I believe that this
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: team can address needs even after the draft on the
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: open market, and some players will become available post June one.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: So I don't think you act as if, Okay, we
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: have to draft position A, B, and C. I don't
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: look at it that way. I believe that you draft
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: which you believe is going to be the best player
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: for your franchise in the future, and that you can
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: will fill the needs post draft.
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: It's just such a weird position for them to be
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: in normally, obviously we're much higher in the first round
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: or have a first round or at all. But it's
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: gonna depend what other teams pick. Also what you value
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: in next year's draft, because I know tons of people
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: been talking about that as opposed to what's available after
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: the first round in this year.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I think it's so hard to look ahead, and maybe
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: they do that, but I think it's probably have a
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: general idea of what could be coming out. Yeah, but
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I think the only position that you look at for
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: the next year is probably quarterback, you know, if you're
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: a quarterback team. But I mean the rest of the stuff,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of development that can happen between now
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and then. So I don't know if they necessarily look
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: ahead and say, well, you know, hey, look, next year,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: getting this position.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Is going to be really tough. I don't know if
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: they would do.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: That, because you know, there's always somebody that rises up
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: at every position, it seems like, throughout the course of
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: a collegiate year. So I don't I wouldn't buy into that.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe they do. I mean, maybe I'm a rookie and
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: have I have got no clue, but which could be
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: a possibility of us. Yeah, we do know the Jaguars
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: need some cheaper labor to come in with all these contracts, right,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: So having eleven picks and you know, there's a lot
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: of those guys that'll be around because they need young,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: cheap labor on this team, Cheap labor because they do
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: mean relatively relative to thirty five million dollar quarterbacks and
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: twenty five million dollar defensive ans. Most people would look
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: at the contracts of NFL players and you call that
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: cheap labor JP well, and the relative terms, ky, you
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: know what I mean?
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I am curious how many they actually end up picking,
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: because I remember, was it a couple of years ago
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: they had like fourteen right, and obviously and.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: They picked every single lot of them.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Long day? How that worked many days?
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: How that work out for us?
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: I don't think a lot of them are still here around,
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: put that that way. So we'll see how how much
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: they actually end up how many they actually end up
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: adding in. But we have to remember it's their second year.
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: They still haven't built the roster they want yet, so
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: there'll probably be a lot more from this draft class
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: staying than maybe other years.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Well, and then watching this draft class, I mean, it's
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: kind of we'll be looking back as well, because I
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of a lot of guys, and
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: a number of guys from last year's draft class didn't
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: even play. You know, Caleb brands All, et cetera. Whyitet milam, Yeah,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I know those guys because he had the injury with
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: the knee that kind of ended up training camp and
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: that really slowed his ability to get onto the field.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: The linebacker, late round.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Pick that ended up Jayleen McLeod, thank you.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Another one that you know, was a Christmas present that
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: we're not going to get to open until this year
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: to see him. So, I mean, there's going to be
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: this draft class and then three prospects from last year's
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: draft class that we're going to be able to see
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: this year. So I'm excited to watch how all these
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: guys kind of pan out and if you hit, if
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: you hit on a lot of these draft picks, you
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: know you're gonna have some real tough decisions coming up.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: And you talk about fixed labor, but I look at
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: the draft as the lifeblood of every franchise. I do
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: not because it's cheap labor, because you know, you can
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: always find inexpensive options to put on your roster, but
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: you need to find the life blood. You need to
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: find the talent, the players that are going to carry
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: you to greatness. And so every year you have a
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: great opportunity to do that. You know, and hopefully James
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Gladstone hit some home runs this year. Last year's draft class. Again,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: we don't grade it after year one, you grade it
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: after year three. We use the Pete Prisco technique on that.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: And I want to see how that draft class next
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: year advances this year and then this year you hopefully
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: get some that produce and contribute, and you've got a
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: large number of picks to be able to play that
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: percentage's game with. We'll see what happens.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Three days around here, wait and see, we'll be here.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: We will be here on Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: as well, and then at seven thirty to night pre
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: draft show, you'll be with us tonight, will down the
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: hallway of course, giving us the latest and if the
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Jaguars have any picks tonight, we'll get reaction with leadership.
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: You'll be right outside the door down there like as always,
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: right as always. We don't know who or what And
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: maybe not tonight, but definitely tomorrow and Saturday.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of picks over those two days.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Programming Tomorrow night with you guys with Jaguars dot Com
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: as well, Yeah, pre draft six thirty six, and then
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: we'll be on as the picks stand now, not every pick,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: but a few different times reaction, instant reaction after the picks. Right, yeah,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: fired up for it, looking forward to this go man. Yeah, ready,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: will be glued to the TV tonight, ready or not.
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: I'm ready.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: Here we are.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jaguars with eleven draft picks coming up in the
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six NFL Draft and looking forward to seeing
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: what happens to specially at the end of JP the
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: life Tony wasselly' said on an interview earlier today. You know,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: don't turn off the tv. That's what he said to
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: your to your guy, Brent Martineau.
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: He loves to hype it up on another network.
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: He gets it.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Look, I mean the reality is is that, uh, that's
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: a very strong possibility. I think mm hmmm, we'll see.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I liked it.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: It's gotta be somebody who can contribute pretty quick though.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: First round pick. You know, when did the rumor start
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: flying about the Jaguars trading last year? It was late
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: like it was like before May or late that day,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: a couple of hours before. Yeah, it was the day of.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: It was like a couple of hours before the time.
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: Is that what you're saying?
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Kept, I'm just kind of you know, thinking back, you know,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: for you know, future purposes, you know, right about now,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: I think it.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Was so keep an eye out right about you.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Never know, you know, it got out last year just
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit there, and that's almost when that was
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: nearly completed. So we'll see, shall we will see in
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: a little bit, not not far away from now, three
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: hours or so till the start of the NFL Draft.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Picks are eight minutes this year in the first round
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: instead of ten.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: That's a good thing.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Speed it up, let's go.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, it used to be fifteen.
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was way too long, terrible, way too long, terrible.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Terrible, terrible.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: And you know, the one thing that is a little
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: bit disappointing is that this year, you know, the NFL
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Draft is in Pittsburgh, which is an amazing football city
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: and uh a city that's built on that Pittsburgh Steelers history.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: And there they have a quarterback that hasn't even said
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: if he's going to come back. See maybe he'll like
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: come out of the back of the stage tonight. I mean,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers music unbelievable, Oh my god, don't well, I
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: don't think you hope that he doesn't take away from
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: the moment of the draft picks.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: But we should have said something before the draft already, know.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Come on blogs, Kai, thank you as always.
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: Yes, I'm here tonight.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Good to see you guys.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Too, can Nightie Stevens with us, Jeff Logoman, We'll see
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: you throughout the weekend.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Here and tomorrow we'll be on the radio. I'm JP Shadwiger.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Thanks to Joe Fortuneto, Brett Reaber, our entire crew pre
• 50:16
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• 50:19
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