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Bonus Episode: Are Rockstars Part of the UFO Disclosure Theory? Plus Psychopedia’s Brooke Slater on Slayer and Ed Gein · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch, to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party. The bridge she gave from one full episode
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  Speaker 1: of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig into
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  Speaker 1: the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to confront
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  Speaker 1: the myth, to reclaim the story. Of this bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: we are discussing this week's new full episode, our part
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  Speaker 1: two story on Merle Haggard. Merle's UFO obsession has us
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  Speaker 1: rewinding back to our Blink one eighty two story and
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  Speaker 1: previewing next week's new episode on Phil Spector and the
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  Speaker 1: madness behind his incredible Christmas album. We got a special
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  Speaker 1: interview today with Psyclopedias Brooks Slater about Slayer and ed Geen,
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  Speaker 1: and we get into your emails, comments, dms, and as
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  Speaker 1: always a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast
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  Speaker 1: for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who
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  Speaker 1: know that the best history is the history that gets buried.
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  Speaker 1: Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories they didn't
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  Speaker 1: want told, the kind you'll end up telling to somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, disc goes, Let's get into it. Murderers, aliens,
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  Speaker 1: country singers, and haunting heavy metal songs. My head is
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  Speaker 1: swimming with thoughts of all of them this week. So
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  Speaker 1: first up, murderers and heavy metal songs. There's been an
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  Speaker 1: ongoing battle in our house this last month or so
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  Speaker 1: about whether or not my wife and I are going
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  Speaker 1: to watch Monster, the ed Geen Story on Netflix, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm just so repelled by the images in the series
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  Speaker 1: that I turned to my friend Brooks Later from the
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  Speaker 1: Cyclopedia podcast, a bit of an egg Geen expert, to
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  Speaker 1: help me work through this true crime story via a
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  Speaker 1: heavy metal song that haunted me as a kid. And
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  Speaker 1: that conversation is coming up later in this after party,
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  Speaker 1: and you're not gonna want to miss it. It's fascinating
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  Speaker 1: and I can't wait for you to hear it. But
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  Speaker 1: now onto country singers and aliens. In our continuation of
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  Speaker 1: the Merle Haggard story. In this week's new full episode,
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  Speaker 1: we reveal in Merle Part two that Merle almost collaborated
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  Speaker 1: with spaceman David Bowie if you can believe that, And
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  Speaker 1: we tease out Merle's UFO experience and fully dive into
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  Speaker 1: Merle's UFO obsession in this week's mini episode. Now, Merle
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  Speaker 1: Haggard's UFO experience claim is not unique to rock stars.
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  Speaker 1: Many musicians have made similar claims to seeing unexplainable events
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  Speaker 1: in the sky and elsewhere. In addition to Merle Haggard,
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  Speaker 1: we mentioned David Bowie, who claimed to see something above
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  Speaker 1: the town of Beckenham as a young man, an event
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  Speaker 1: that obviously had a sizeable impact on Bowie's art. We
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  Speaker 1: detail Tom DeLong from Blank one eighty two's desert experience
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  Speaker 1: in this week's Rewind episode, coming up right after this
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  Speaker 1: after party. Next week's new episode is on Phil Spector
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  Speaker 1: and John Lennon, who is heavily involved in Phil's story
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  Speaker 1: and part of next week's rewind schedule, claimed to see
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  Speaker 1: a craft hovering over Manhattan and referenced it in a
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  Speaker 1: song Nobody told me, singing, there's UFOs over New York
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  Speaker 1: and I ain't too surprised. Elvis Costello, Sammy Hagar, Kat Stevens,
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  Speaker 1: Kurt Cobain, Jimmy Hendrix, Elvis Presley all claimed to have
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  Speaker 1: experiences or sightings. For some of these artists claiming to
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  Speaker 1: see the unexplainable up in the sky alien spacecraft UFOs,
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  Speaker 1: it's totally on brand. David Bowie, Jimmy Hendrix, hell even
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  Speaker 1: Elvis Presley and John Lennon. But Elvis cos Dello, Cat Stevens,
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  Speaker 1: Sammy Hagar, Merle Haggard now claiming this kind of thing
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  Speaker 1: is wildly discrediting, or at least it used to be.
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  Speaker 1: More and more of the UFO, or as it's becoming
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  Speaker 1: known UAP Unidentified aerial phenomenon, more and more this discussion
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  Speaker 1: is becoming more mainstream and more acceptable. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe that that's an accident. Forty percent of Americans say
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  Speaker 1: that they've had similar experiences. Forty percent. Think about that,
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  Speaker 1: for the Americans in the audience, that's four out of
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  Speaker 1: every ten people that you encounter. That means four out
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  Speaker 1: of every ten rock stars, doesn't it. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Is that how statistics works?
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really know, but I do know that forty
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  Speaker 1: percent is a huge number. Merle Haggard does not strike
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  Speaker 1: me as the type of guy who would be Solosey
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  Speaker 1: goosey with his reputation and credibility. In the upcoming Blink
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  Speaker 1: one eight two rewind episode, we discuss whether or not
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  Speaker 1: Blink guitarist Tom DeLong is part of a larger secret
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  Speaker 1: plan by the government to disclose to the public the
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  Speaker 1: truth about extraterrestrial or ultra terrestrial life. What if Tom
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  Speaker 1: DeLong isn't the first rock star. I can see some
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  Speaker 1: of you guys rolling your eyes right now. I get it,
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  Speaker 1: aliens UFOs. Without going out on any sort of fox
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  Speaker 1: molder limb that I can't walk myself back from, I
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  Speaker 1: will say that, ever since diving into this subject in
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  Speaker 1: researching Blink twent eighty two, it's become clear to me
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  Speaker 1: that something that looks an awful lot like controlled disclosure
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  Speaker 1: is happening in our culture. And this all seems to
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  Speaker 1: have landed on our heads with a massive holy shit,
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  Speaker 1: can you believe it? Thud right now in the past
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  Speaker 1: week with the release of the documentary The Age of
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  Speaker 1: Disclosure by Dan Farrah. Now, this documentary is not some
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  Speaker 1: obscure YouTube doc by a dude with a tinfoil hat
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  Speaker 1: and dog eared copy of Project Blue book. This is
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  Speaker 1: an Amazon distributed theatrically released, highly produced film featuring numerous
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  Speaker 1: high level government officials, politicians, and career servicemen and women
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  Speaker 1: from both sides of the political spectrum. Marco Rubio, Kirsten Gillibrand,
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  Speaker 1: James Clapper, and many, many, many others on record stating
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  Speaker 1: unequivocally that we are not alone in the universe, and
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  Speaker 1: say what you will about the proof, the proof is
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  Speaker 1: in the pudding. They are risking their reputations in doing this.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone interviewed in the film claims direct knowledge of UAP
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  Speaker 1: as a result of their work in the US government,
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  Speaker 1: and what they discuss is truly revelatory, and the reason
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  Speaker 1: for their disclosure is truly chilling. They're afraid, afraid that
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  Speaker 1: whatever is out there, whatever Merle Haggard, Tom DeLong, John Lennon,
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  Speaker 1: whatever others have claimed to have scene, whatever alien technology
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  Speaker 1: that causes unidentified aerial crafts to go forty thousand miles
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  Speaker 1: per hour, stop on a dime turn and transmediate between air, water,
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  Speaker 1: and space, unexplainable technology captured on video by our military personnel,
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  Speaker 1: that whatever that is, that it's going to be harnessed
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  Speaker 1: by our foreign adversaries and used against us if we
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  Speaker 1: do not wake up and admit that there's something else
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  Speaker 1: out there and find ways to work with it and
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  Speaker 1: use it for the good of mankind. Anyway, that's not
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  Speaker 1: me saying all that. That's the film, that's the point
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  Speaker 1: of the film, and my summary here is only scratching
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  Speaker 1: the surface of what the film reveals. But those are
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  Speaker 1: the stakes anyway, And with those steaks, if true, it
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  Speaker 1: means that we all need to find ways to wrap
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  Speaker 1: our heads around this UAP concept, this thing that Merle
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  Speaker 1: Haggard and John Lennon and Tom DeLong and many other
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  Speaker 1: rock stars for years have been trying to draw our
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  Speaker 1: attention to the idea that we are not alone. It
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  Speaker 1: seems to me that we as a species are going
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  Speaker 1: to slowly learn more and more about this topic until
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  Speaker 1: it's completely mainstream, and that this learning, this disclosure, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is my opinion. It seems to me that it's
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  Speaker 1: been going on for decades and that yes, willingly or unknowingly,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is, some of our favorite rock stars have
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  Speaker 1: been part of this disclosure. In hell, maybe you and
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  Speaker 1: I are part of this disclosure as well, and we
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  Speaker 1: just don't even know it. My advice. Listen or we
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  Speaker 1: listen to our Blank one eighty two episode after this.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm laughing because I'm shamelessly pimping disgrace Sand right now.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not without merit. Much of what I detail
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  Speaker 1: in that Blink one eighty two story is reinforced in
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  Speaker 1: expanded upon in this documentary that I'm talking about. So
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  Speaker 1: listen to Blink and Disgraceland and then watch the Age
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  Speaker 1: of Disclosure and call me after that six one seven
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  Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight, and let me
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  Speaker 1: know what you think about this topic. Okay? Are we
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  Speaker 1: alone as Tom DeLong insists we're not? Is the truth
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  Speaker 1: being disclosed? Are there UFOs over New York, as John
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  Speaker 1: Lennon warned us, or are we all just high as
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  Speaker 1: fuck like Merl Haggard? All right, I want to know.
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  Speaker 1: Call me six one seven nine oh six six six
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  Speaker 1: three eight. Let me know your thoughts. I'll be back
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  Speaker 1: after this with your calls, text and emails and ed
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  Speaker 1: Geen and Brooks Slater from Psyclopedia. All right, welcome back
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  Speaker 1: the John Lennon UFO sighting that I mentioned earlier. That
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  Speaker 1: might sound like bunk, that might sound like witty, John
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  Speaker 1: Lennon taking the piss out of us, having a laugh,
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  Speaker 1: taking the piss out of us. I never know how
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  Speaker 1: to say it. I'm not even gonna try and say
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  Speaker 1: that's an English thing taking the piss, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. But John Lennon was dead serious about what
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  Speaker 1: he saw. And to prove that to you, Zeth and
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  Speaker 1: I are gonna tell you exactly what we mean in
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  Speaker 1: the exclusive section of this after party coming up shortly.
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  Speaker 1: that's later. Now let's hear what you guys have to say.
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  Speaker 1: Last week was Thanksgiving. I hope you all had a
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  Speaker 1: great holiday with your families. Thanksgiving means, of course, that
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about the greatest Thanksgiving concert film. Hell, the
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  Speaker 1: greatest concert film of all time in my eyes, the
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  Speaker 1: Last Waltz. We asked what is the greatest concert film
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  Speaker 1: in your opinion? And some of you go back to us,
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  Speaker 1: here is Ken in the eight one eight.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Jake, it's Ken in the eight one eight. I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna cheat on my answer about the concert film. I
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  Speaker 3: Am trying to break your heart, but a film about
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  Speaker 3: Wilcom by Sam Jones. Not really a concert movie, but
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of concert footage. Probably the best movie
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  Speaker 3: about a band ever. But in terms of concert film,
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  Speaker 3: the LCD sound system shut up and play the hits.
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  Speaker 3: It'd be even better if they hadn't actually gotten back together.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, that one would probably be in terms of
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  Speaker 3: concert footage. That's my number one. All right, man, take care,
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  Speaker 3: thank you, ken my man.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 1: I saw that Will Come movie when it came out
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  Speaker 1: in the theaters in Davis Square, the Somerville Theater. Incredible,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I loved it. I really truly loved it.
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  Speaker 1: And I never went back and watched it again, and
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  Speaker 1: you're reminding me, I need to go back and watch this.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Recently, I had YouTube on and I just
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  Speaker 1: was doing something else and it just kept playing and
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  Speaker 1: it pulled up the Jay Bennett from Willco documentary that
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  Speaker 1: was actually pretty good as well, and I recommend that
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  Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, LCD sound systems, shut up
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  Speaker 1: and play the hits. Great concert film, and you're absolutely right,
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  Speaker 1: would have been better had they stayed broken up. But
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  Speaker 1: I think you know what a breakups even mean anymore?
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  Speaker 1: Why break up? It doesn't make any sense. It really
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  Speaker 1: makes zero sense to break up. We don't live in
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  Speaker 1: a we don't live in a world and a culture,
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  Speaker 1: I should say, anymore where you know old people, supposedly
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  Speaker 1: old people can't play rock and roll. You just keep going,
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  Speaker 1: And obviously that's what LCD is gonna do. All right,
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  Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's move the conversation over to the greatest
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  Speaker 1: country singer of all time in light of our episode,
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  Speaker 1: our new part two episode on Merle Haggard. Let's check
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  Speaker 1: out the seven to seven.
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  Speaker 2: Zero mister Jake. Name is Aiden from seven to seven zero.
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  Speaker 2: That's Northwest Georgia. Love the show. I've been binging it
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  Speaker 2: back and really enjoying it. Question was favorite country singer.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with kind of current and right now
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  Speaker 2: number one for well, I got two. I'm gonna say
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  Speaker 2: Culture Wall if you know him. If you don't, i'd
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  Speaker 2: say go check out Nothing. It's a cover of time
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  Speaker 2: Van's ant song. It's really good and Motorcycle. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: go Culture Wall, and I'm gonna go Chris Stapleton, Too
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  Speaker 2: Huge Superstar and I think he's already kind of established
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  Speaker 2: himself as a legend in the game, and he still
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  Speaker 2: has a lot of time left. And if you didn't know,
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  Speaker 2: he's a He also was the lean singer of a
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  Speaker 2: bluegrass band called the steel Drivers before he established himself solo.
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  Speaker 2: So the Steel Drivers Reckless and the self title albums,
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  Speaker 2: those are both fantastic. Anyway, love the show, Hope you're
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  Speaker 2: doing well and have a happy holiday. From the seven
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  Speaker 2: seven zero.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I like Chris Stapleton. I do. I don't
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  Speaker 1: listen to him on purpose, which is to say I
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  Speaker 1: don't listen to him enough. But is this one of
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  Speaker 1: these guys? Every time I hear anything, I kind of
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  Speaker 1: turn my head and go, what's this? Pretty good?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Colton Wall I'm gonna I'm gonna check out on your recommendation,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna check out that Towns fan z Ant cover
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  Speaker 1: first and foremost appreciate the call seven seven oh six
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  Speaker 1: one seven nine oh six six six three eight. If
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  Speaker 1: you guys want to get in touch, you guys want
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  Speaker 1: to leave me a message about anything really, But you know,
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: more importantly our UFO conversation, I'm digging that. What do
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  Speaker 1: you think watch age of disclosure. Call me six one
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  Speaker 1: seven nine oh six six six three eight after your
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  Speaker 1: mind has been fully blown, and let me know what
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  Speaker 1: you think. And let me know what you think about
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  Speaker 1: this concept of disclosure, and if you think our cultural
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  Speaker 1: icons are involved, our musicians are rock stars if they're
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  Speaker 1: part of the plan, unwittingly or otherwise. Six one seven
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  Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight voicemail and text
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  Speaker 1: seven to two four text. I'm getting ahead of the
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  Speaker 1: question this week because I'll be playing catch up with podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: The voice that captivates me from country music would be
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  Speaker 1: for men Marty Robbins and for females Riba McIntyre. Both
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  Speaker 1: are just incredibly quintessential and have a large catalog of
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  Speaker 1: varying material. You can find anything in and stretch through range.
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  Speaker 1: Good health to you in yours and later days. Jake
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  Speaker 1: seven two four Devil Woman by Marty Robbins, great great
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  Speaker 1: country song. Highly recommend it. Riba. I don't know much
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  Speaker 1: about Riba. She's the one who's on television all the time, right.
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  Speaker 1: I probably need Ariva se the what's the Riva corn
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  Speaker 1: Dog thing? What's that all about? I see that on Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: This is a meme I don't know, hit me up
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  Speaker 1: seven two four, school me all right, and talking about
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  Speaker 1: great music films. We get this message from the four
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  Speaker 1: one six, and I want to read here great episode
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  Speaker 1: on music movies. Okay, so it's not a music film
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  Speaker 1: per se, but a documentary that I consider one of
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  Speaker 1: the greatest ever documentaries, Let's Get Lost, the chet Baker
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  Speaker 1: Story by Bruce Way. It contains what I consider the
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  Speaker 1: most affecting male jazz vocal performance ever recorded, which is
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  Speaker 1: the time blasted Chet Baker singing Almost Blue by Elvis Costello.
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  Speaker 1: The review on the Wikipedia page captures the essence of
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  Speaker 1: the film. Terrence Rafferty, in his review for The New
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  Speaker 1: York Times wrote, and this is the quote from Rafferty
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  Speaker 1: in the Times quote the enduring fascination of Let's Get Lost.
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  Speaker 1: The reason it remains powerful even now when every value
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  Speaker 1: it represents is gone, is that it's among the few
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  Speaker 1: movies that deal with the mysterious, complicated emotional transactions involved
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  Speaker 1: in the creation of pop culture, and with the ambiguous
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  Speaker 1: process by which performers generate desire. Interesting. I wonder how
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  Speaker 1: Rafferty intended us to interpret the word desire by which
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  Speaker 1: performers generate desire. Does he mean performers generate generating desire
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  Speaker 1: in their from their audience or does he mean performers
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  Speaker 1: generating desire as in their desire and their will to create?
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  Speaker 1: Fascinating Either way, Yes, you're right four one six incredible quote.
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  Speaker 1: And Let's Get Lost is an incredible movie. Shout out
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  Speaker 1: to Flee by the way from the right on Chili Peppers.
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  Speaker 1: You're right on that performance. It is incredible. It is
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  Speaker 1: absolutely incredible. No one ever sang like Chet Baker. And
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  Speaker 1: there was a thing when we were researching Chet Baker
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  Speaker 1: that I came upon when we were putting together our
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  Speaker 1: episode on Chet about how when he's sang he was
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  Speaker 1: on the edge of I think it was edge of tonality.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's how it was described, where he just
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  Speaker 1: really feels like he's he's about to he's pushing it
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  Speaker 1: so far, but he's singing so subtly, but he feels
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  Speaker 1: like he's going to fall out of tune. And man,
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  Speaker 1: that's just I don't know who else does that or
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  Speaker 1: did that. It made it compelling and just Chet Baker
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  Speaker 1: was overall a very compelling guy with a very criminal past.
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  Speaker 1: Super criminal. Check that episode out. One of my faves.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for the text four one six. Appreciate you four
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  Speaker 1: two five, writes in Hey Jake Jewles from Cetown. One
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  Speaker 1: of my secret wishes every Thanksgiving is to take a
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  Speaker 1: time machine back to nineteen seventy six to see the
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  Speaker 1: last Wald Live, greatest concert of the twentieth century. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for the story, love the show, you got it, Jules,
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for hitting us up, and thanks to everybody who's
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: chimed in on the voicemail, on the text, on the DMS,
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  Speaker 1: on the emails. Appreciate you, guys. Wishing you in all
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: of yours great holiday season. Jasmin Hughes writes in emails
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: US subject new forensic evidence could rewrite the story of
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Kurt Cobaine's death. Hi, Jake and disgracing the team. I'm
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  Speaker 1: reaching out because i believe I've uncovered something that fits
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: squarely in disgrace Lands, Wheelhouse, music history, mystery, and real
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: investigative gravity. A recently published, peer reviewed, multidisciplinary forensic report
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  Speaker 1: has emerged that calls into question the accepted narratives surrounding
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: the death of Kirk Kobay. The report was prepared by
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: forensic specialists Brian Burnett and doctor Gabrielle Ritter, and includes
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  Speaker 1: ballistic forensic reconstruction and investigative findings that were unavailable in
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four. This is at hearsay or unfounded rumor.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: It's a scientifically grounded, methodically sound, and peer reviewed evidence
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: that raises serious concerns about inconsistencies and evidentiary oversights, and
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the original investigation given disgrace sunds legacy of digging into
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: the darker or more complex truths behind the music world
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: dot dot dot her music. Her email cuts off there.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: This is interesting. I can't verify the veracity of this
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: fifty four page document that the listener sent me here
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: in email, so called peer reviewed forensic ballistic reconstruction in
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Kirk Cobain's death, but I will look into it. It
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: is interesting, man. The people who don't believe Kirk Cobain
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: oft himself are a legion. You guys will not give up,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and you know, maybe there's something there. I don't know,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: what do I know? You know, as far as everything
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I've looked at, I believe the man was seriously, seriously
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: doomed and that he took his own life. That's that's
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: just based on all the research I've done, and I
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: know many of you disagree with me, but I'm going
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: to look into this doc and I appreciate you sending
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: it so thanks Mike Black emails us Jericho by the
• 20:44
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• 20:48
  Speaker 1: good one. Regards Mike, Mike, appreciate you. Yeah, that was
• 20:52
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• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Talk about recommendations this week. I'm obviously recommending for a documentary,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: The Age of Disclosure, new doc that's out. You can
• 21:10
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• 21:11
  Speaker 1: your local theaters. I'm also recommending the album Christmas album
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: called Christmas Card by The Temptations, which is just fantastic.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Check that out. You're gonna love it if you don't
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: love it already. And for my book recommendation for the week,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I just finished The Violent Bear It Away by Flannery O'Connor,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: and not an easy read, but not a long read,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: and in a lot of ways an incredible read. Especially
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: for someone who likes to read about faith and reason,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: themes that you know, humanity struggles with constantly and has
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: since the beginning of time. Flannery O'Connor has an amazing
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: way of contextualizing it all in twentieth century American culture
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: and the I went Bear It Away as a great
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: example of that. Check that out if you are at
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: all interested in those things, and you can always hit
• 22:07
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• 22:09
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• 22:13
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• 22:17
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• 22:20
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• 22:31
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• 22:34
  Speaker 1: of days. I'll be back in a flash with my
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: conversation with Brooks Slater cyclopedia on Slayer and ed Gean.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna want to miss this. Crank up dead
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: skin mask. Here we go, all right, guys, welcome back.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I was talking earlier about my wife and I, you know,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: are we gonna watch this ed Geen thing or not?
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: And we watched some of it a little bit, a
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: little taste, and I was repulsed. I'm not gonna lie
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: this story. Now. I can handle a lot of stuff.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I could not handle this story. And it all stems back,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: All goes back for me, all goes back to a
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: song I heard when I was sixteen years old by
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: a band I spent a lot of time with as
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: a kid, not personally, just you know, in my headphones
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and in my speakers, a band called Slayer. I get
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: into this, I get into this story, the ed Geen story,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and trace it back to my history with Slayer with
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I guess you could call her an ed Geen expert.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: She's absolutely a true crime expert. This is Brooks Slater
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: from Psyclopedia in our conversation. All right, I wanted to
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: talk to my next guest here, Brooke Slater, from the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: podcast Cyclopedia for some time about different true crimes represented
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: throughout music history. Now, now, Brooke, you are a true
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: crime expert. You are an actual criminal investigator, and you've
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: covered ed Geen in depth. Now ed Geen is the
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: subject of this Newish Netflix series Monster. That's been quite
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: a topic, good debate around the house here. I've wanted
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: to watch it. My wife wants no part of it.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I watched some of it. I was disgusted pretty quickly,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: even though I knew the story.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Normal reaction Usually it's opposite.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: Usually it's the wife who really really wants to get
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: into the true crime, and it's the husband who's like, man,
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: I'm good.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you would know. You've covered this story on
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the heels of the Netflix series in depth encyclopedia. You've
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: done I believe, two episodes on the subject. It was
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: a two parter, two parter, because I mean, honestly, this
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: could have been a twenty two parter. The story is
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: so massive, and it is so intense, and it is
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: just it is a definition of insanity. I think my interest,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: though in ed Gean, doesn't originate from the Netflix, but
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: rather from a song by a band called Slayer, a
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: band that I loved as a kid, and they had
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: a song back in the day called Dead Skin Mask,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: and that's how I first heard of this ed Gean story.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I was probably I think I was sixteen years old
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: when that song came out, and since I started Disgraceland, which,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't a huge true crime podcast fan
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: before I started the show. I certainly was, but I
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: wasn't like one of these, like my wife huge true
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: crime podcasts, you know, I was interested in And then
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I realized, God, I've been interested in true crime my
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: whole life, so i've sort of but without knowing it.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: So in the process of the podcast, I've sort of
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: looked back at my formative years and my child and
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: been like, what got me into true crime? And I
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: realized that this Slayer song and this specifically this story
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: about ed Gean, which was very pre podcast mythical story
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: of horror story, right, Like, this is something we passed
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: around the hallways at school, we at the bus stop, etc.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: It was just like you couldn't believe it it was true.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Some people believed it, some people didn't. So anyways, this
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: is one of the things that got me first interested
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: in true crime. I want to know what first got
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: in you interested in true crime?
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, Well it started way way way back.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, I can't remember a time when I wasn't
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: into true crime. Honestly, my grandmother used to read me
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: true crime stories and fiction, horror and detective stories before
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: bed like that was my bedtime story.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: Everybody else get grandma.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, their mother goose stuff and I'm getting, you know,
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: at gain for example. But and I have a twin sister,
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: so she and I would be tucked in together and
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: she would be hiding under the blankets with a pillow
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: over her head like grandma, please stop. And I would
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: be foaming at the mouth, like please, grandma. More So,
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: I've always been into true crime. I went to school
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: for criminal justice and criminology. I sort of always knew
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: I wanted to wind up doing something.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: In the field.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: And there's so much to do, right, Like you kind
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: of just spoke about it a little bit. In terms
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: of a game, there's so many layers. There's the psychology,
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: there's you know, the criminology. Obviously, there's the gruesomeness of it,
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: which is actually not what.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: I'm all about.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: I'm all about highlighting the victims to the extent that
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: I can, and understanding the mind behind the perpetrator.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: Sort of one of the big premises of Psychopedia, or
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: what I try to convey in every episode is I
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: try and steer people away from referring to perpetrators as
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: monsters because they feel like when you do that, you're
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: categorizing them into this like other area and they're not.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: They're human beings and you need to understand them so
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: that we can crack the code and prevent it from
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: happening again. So we can understand that everybody comes with
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: the history and circumstances, and if we can dive into
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: that and understand it, then maybe we could prevent future
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: crimes from happening. So this is always where I've lived.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: This has always been my head space. I've always been,
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: you know, a creepy kind of girl. There's never been
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: a point when I haven't loved true crime. And now
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: I get to do it for a living.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Right right, I wonder how many ed genes we've prevented
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: from happening. So this story talk about creepy. I mean,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: you're joking about yourself being a creepy kind of girl.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: This is the creepiest I know. I know you just
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: said you don't want us to call these people monsters.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: That's literally the name of the series about this guy.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: And I don't want to go against what you just said,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: but against I don't know how to categorize this guy.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: This is this is next level. And it's interesting because
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the song, the Slayer song, this is you know, the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: music is the music, history of it all is my
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: side of the fence. And the song, when you read
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the lyrics, they're not that creepy there. They're a little
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: bit more figurative than they are literal suggestive. When you
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: hear the song, however, and you hear the lyrics on
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: song with the music, it's creepy as all hell. It
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: just it goes right up my spine. And I think
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: it just reminds me of that there's something like you said,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: you know, when you're talking about your grandmother and you
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and your sister being under the covers and hearing these stories,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I think there's there's things are more fearful in adulthood
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: when we can root them to our formative years. In
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: some ways, yes, and that's what this song does for me.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: So I thought it might be interesting if because you're
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: you're you're a true crime expert, you're certainly way more
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: knowledgeable what ed gan than I am. I thought it
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: might be interesting if we tell the story of ed
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Gean through the Slayer lyrics. Here and see. I just
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: kind of want to do some some association here, and
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I hate to put you on the spot, but I
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: want to. I want to read you the lyrics, essentially
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: passages from the lyrics, and have you relate them to
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the Edgeen story, and we'll sort of piece together the
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: narrative here as we go.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Let's do it. I love it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: I listened to the song driving over here, but I
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: was busy, like jamming to it, and I wasn't really
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: so heavy into the lyrics.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: So this will be fun to dive into it.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, great, I'm going to start at the top here,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: so here we go. Now, I just want to give
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: people a tiny bit of context to make this perhaps
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: a little bit creepier for those who don't know anything
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: about Edgean. This is nineteen fifties Wisconsin, Is that right?
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: That's correct.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: It's this guy who lives with his mother and his sister.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I believe that dad brother, excuse me, the dad is gone, right,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: The dad's out of the house.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: He was there for a little while.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: He initially was ed his brother and his two parents,
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: and they were just one fucked up little family living
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: in isolated rural Wisconsin.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Right, totally totally off the grid.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: Not in a sense that you know, they didn't mingle
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: with society, but they were on the fringes for sure.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: And his mother is really the one who wore no,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I don't want to say wore the pants.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: That's first of all horrible, I hate that expression.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: But she basically had everybody in a psychological choke hold.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: So when his father ultimately died, it sort of didn't
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: even ship the dynamic in the household because his mother
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: was always the one in charge, always the one calling
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: the shots. So nothing really changed when he died. Everything, however,
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: changed when she died, right right.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, so we're nineteen fifties where rural America, Wisconsin, rural
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: society for this family anyways, domineering mother. And just so
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: those of you movie fans out there, ed Gean was
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the loose inspiration for Norman Bates in Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: also loose inspiration for the Texas Chainsaw massacre story. Not
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: a literal adaptation, but that's what we're doing dealing with.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: That's at the court here. So let's get into the
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: slayer lyrics.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's actually a third movie loosely based on him.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: As well, or a character I should say, and that's
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: Buffalo Bill in Silence.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Of the Lambs.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: So he's had you know, I was going to mention
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: this earlier. Even if you think you don't know who
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: ed Green is, chances are you do because you've seen
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: one of those movies right right.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: And if you're a true crime fan, you absolutely know
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: who ed Geen is, but you might not know who
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: you know whose slayer is, what the slayer song is?
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: And here we go. It's absolutely based on ed Gean.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: They've said it explicitly.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Here.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Here are the lyrics, the beginning lyrics. So, Brooke, I
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: want to know what part of the story you think
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: this relates to? Lyrics? Go, how I've waited for you
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: to come. I've been here all alone. Now that you've arrived,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: please stay awhile and I promise I won't keep you long.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I'll keep you forever, forever, forever, forever.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: And that he did, or that he tried to do.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: So here's my take on it.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: As we mentioned, he was, you know, in this psychological
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: choke hold from his mother. He thought of his mother
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: as the one woman he loved in his entire life.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: He really did not know how to exist when she died.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: So the honestly it's a very little translation. But how
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: I've waited for you to come, I think, is how
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: I've waited for you to come back. So she died
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: in nineteen forty five. Eighteen months later is when he
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: unearthed his first corpse.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, hold on, explain we any details here?
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Unearthing the first corpse, I've waited for you to come,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: so Sillo talk for me.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: So yeah, definitely have me pump the brakes. So Augusta
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: his mother died, as I said, in nineteen forty five,
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: and he was lost. He was like a ship without
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: an anchor, he really was. He did not know how
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: to think for himself. He didn't know how to live
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: in the world without her. She had taught him everything
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: he knew and didn't know because he kept her. She
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: kept him rather so isolated and shielded. When she died,
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: he closed off her bedroom, he closed off the living room.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: He made like this macab museum out of their shared home,
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: and he wouldn't touch anything that belonged to her. As
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: time went on, and I think the wall started to
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: close it in on him and he started to just
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: psychologically unravel. He was needing his mother. He was needing
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: her in a very literal sense. So he had the
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: idea to literally recreate her using the flesh of dead
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: women who resembled her. So he would go through the
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: obituaries and he would find freshly deceased women who mimicked
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: his mother, typically physically, but also a lot of times
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: in personality as well. So he would unearth their corpses,
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: dig them up, take them back to his home, and
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: then go to town on literally picking them apart and
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: making items that he could hold onto forever, which is
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: you know, I've been here all alone, as the lyric,
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: since she died, for eighteen months.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: He was there all alone.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: Now that you've arrived, meaning now that I've basically unearthed
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: what symbolically represents you, please stay a while.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: I'm going to make you into a nipple belt. I'm
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: gonna maek you into a chair.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: I'm going to use women's skulls and eat my soup
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: out of them. In the kitchen, he kept nine volvas
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: in a box underneath his bed, which, by the way,
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: he painted silver and salted. I think probably to preserve
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: I don't think he was actually eating anything.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, this is this is a lot.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say to that except
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: nine Volvas might have been the B side to Dead
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Skin Masks. So I'm I'm not trying to not trying
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: to joke, but I am okay. So he's I don't
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: even know where to go. I mean, this is this
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: is in part. I don't know this story like you
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: know it clearly, and I had a real hard time
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: with getting into the TV show. And you know, I've
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: seen stuff. I've seen the images of the nipple belt.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I've seen these things that are just completely psychotic. And
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: it's really interesting to me because the Slayer song comes
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: out in nineteen ninety and Slayer was like, they weren't
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: a band that was me. I mean, they were about
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: as mainstream as a thrash metal band could get, but
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: they weren't as mainstream as Metallica or even Anthrax. MTV
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Headbanger's Ball would play them, but they got no radio play,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: no mainstream video play because their lyrics were considered to
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: be extreme. And as we're going through this story, it's
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: clear to me that the reality here is far more
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: extreme than what they put in the song. And I
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: can actually I would bet, you know, you know whatever,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: you want to bet that they made a choice and
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: they had to pull back on being explicit in the
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: lyrics for fear of just you know, not getting any
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: airplay and not you know, who knows what, like how
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: how the censorship would have been applied, because the reality here, everything,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: the details you just listed are completely fucked up. And
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit strange to me that here
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: we are in twenty twenty five and it's mainstreamed in
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: not only a podcast like Yours Are Mine, but in
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: or other true crime podcasts, but on a Netflix series,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: and it's huge, And this is the stuff we're talking about.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the next layer of care
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: graze the skin with my fingertips, the brush of dead
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: cold flesh, appease the means, provoking images, delicate features so smooth,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: a pleasant I can't even get it out, A pleasant
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: fragrance in the light of the moon. What is mister
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: ed Geen up to in.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: This verse, Well, slayer I think took some creative liberties,
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: which is absolutely their right to do so, no judgment
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: on that. Well, yes, so he definitely obviously would finesse
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: the skin he made masks out of real human faces.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: He used special oils and he peeled off the faces.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: He preserved it, and he made actual masks. He also
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: made what was referred to as a mammary vest, which
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: was he essentially skinned the torso of a deceased woman,
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: breaststill intact, and then.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: He would wear the skin suit.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: So yes, he would graize his the skin with his fingertips,
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: and he would do a lot fucking more than that.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: The brush of dead, cold flesh appeased. The means pretty
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: self explanatory. Here's where he took. I believe Slayer took
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: two creative liberties, provoking images, delicate features so smooth. His
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: mother was a very severe looking woman. She was of
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: German descent. And the women that he dug up and
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: actually killed, he did kill two women were very sort
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: of big bones, severe looking women. There was sort of
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't use the word delicate to describe their features, okay,
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: And their features at this point would not have been
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: smooth because they were decomposed. Okay, that's fine, Slayer. The
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: next line a pleasant fragrance in the light of the moon.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: So here's a big sticking point Edgin did not enjoy
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: the scent of decomposing flesh. In fact, the reason he
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: provides for countering anybody who claims that he was accountable
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: or a necrophiliac is that he could not stand the
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: stench of flesh, so he didn't eat it and he
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: didn't have.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Sex with it.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: A lot of sources will say he's a necrophiliac. There's
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: actually different types of necro files. There are those who
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: do get off on decomposing flesh, so they will have
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: sex with dead bodies, and then there's necro files who
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: just get off on the fact that the body is
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: dead and they have ultimate control to do with that
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: body whatever they want, So.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: A pleasant fragrance not according to Ed Deane.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I get that completely. It's interesting though. The smell of
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: death is a real is obviously a real thing. We
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: covered it in our Norwegian black metal episode where there
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: was the singer in this Norwegian band who just became
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I mean his name was dead Mayhem. Yeah.
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: I did an episode on them, so I actually yeah, and.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: So you know that he was actually obsessed with the
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: smell of death, and he would carry around dead birds
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: so he could on them and and it's so it's
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I can't even I can't. I literally can't understand it.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I can if you've ever smelled anything dead, like you
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: got an animal I've had. We lived in an old
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: New England house and we would get animals trapped in
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the walls, and it's just it's absolutely disgusting. I can't
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: understand how somebody's brain makes this switch and that becomes
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: something that they're into. And apparently I was a bridge
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: too far for ed Geenes.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: Apparently, so exactly. Yeah, I mean I think I think
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: that's just it.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: You just touched on a really important point, you know
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: what I mean, it's just the psychology. It's the you know,
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: perpetrators on this level or you know, in the case
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: of dead for example, they're so complex, you know. And
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: again if you label them monsters and you kind of
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: put them in their own category and you say, like, well,
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: you know, they're just not like us, and so it
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: is what it is. You're never going to learn about
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: them and you're never going to figure out what makes
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: them the way they are. And if if you can't
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: figure that out, you can't protect the future. Basically, not
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: to get too heavy with this, he is a human being.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: He came from somewhere.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: Ed Gean, he came from a really difficult background psychologically speaking,
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: and it took its toll and it manifested in a
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: very fucked up way.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Okay, let's take it here to the
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: next set of lyrics. Dance with the dead, speaking to dead,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Dance with the dead in my dreams. Listen to their
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: hallowed screams, the dead of taking my soul. I know
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: where this is going. Temptations lost all control.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: Okay, dance with the Dead in my dreams. Ed Gean
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: did struggle with hallucinations.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah. He felt that he could hear his mother's voice
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: after she died.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: He felt that he could see faces in the leaves,
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: for example, and he felt that he could always smell rot.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: What's interesting is he he.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: Had that sort of old factory hallucination before he was
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: unearthing corpses. Initially, when I was researching this, I felt like, well,
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: you're smelling rot because you're digging up dead bodies.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: But this actually happened before that.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: But yeah, he was having auditory hallucinations, he was having
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: visual hallucinations, and I think ultimately it was all of
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: that that ended up pushing him over the edge in
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: such a way that made him end up taking two
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: lives and then unearthing all of these corpses. Listen to
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: their hallowed screams. He didn't kill the women. He did
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: sadly kill two women, Mary Hogan and Bernice Warden, but
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: he killed them very quickly. Neither one of them knew
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: what was happening. He shot them both in the head unfortunately,
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: so there were no screams. So listen to their hallowed screams.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: I think is just a creative liberty. The dead have
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: taken my soul, I think is symbolic of his mother
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: taking his soul when she died and taking everything that
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: she created that he did not know how to run with.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: When she died, the wheel came off, So I think
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: that is that lyric has to do with that. And
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: then Temptations lost all control is like, fuck it, I'm
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: just gonna go all in at this point, and I'm
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: gonna wear female breasts and genitals, which he did.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Simple smiles lude, psychotic eyes lose all mind control, rationale declines,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: empty eyes enslave the creations of placid faces and lifeless pageants.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: So the psychotic eyes part is what's interesting to me. Interestingly,
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: not every expert is on the same page as to
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: whether or not ed Gean was psychotic.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Really yeah, so and.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Keep see alternative if he's not.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: Psychotic a personality disorder. So in a legal sense, they're
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: very different things. You sort of have to understand whether
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: or not a perpetrator has psychosis or they're dealing with
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: mental health issues and what kind of mental health issues,
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: because it helps you to deter.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: In the sentencing for that perpetrator.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: So a finding of psychosis means that the individual lacked
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: the capacity to understand right from wrong when they were
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: committing the crime in question. So when it comes to sentencing,
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: you're not going to lock that person up in a prison.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: You're going to send that individual to know a psychiatric
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: institution for treatment they may not ever see mainstream society. Again,
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: that's not what I'm saying. They're not given a pass,
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: but they are not given prison. So at the time,
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: ed Gain was deemed psychotic and he was sent to
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: live out the rest of his days in a psychiatric institution.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: But there are experts today who feel that since our
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: understanding of mental health has shifted so much since the
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: nineteen fifties, that it's not really one hundred percent, you know,
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: the case that he would be looked at as legally
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: insane today. So the question is did he know what
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: he was doing was wrong and he did it anyway, right?
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Or did he not even.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Realize that what he was doing was wrong? And that
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: is the crux of the criminal justice system really, right?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Right? What do you think?
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: Great question? I kind of.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: When you're looking at whether or not somebody knew what
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: they were doing was wrong and that they did it anyway,
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: you want to look at things like premeditation. Now, people
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: think that premeditation means that you're sitting and you're plotting
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: and you have every single detail calculated. That's not necessarily
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: what premeditation is. So pre meditation is also were their
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: steps taken to cover up the crime? Was there any
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: thought put into committing the crime where you're covering your tracks,
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: where there's this sort of mental awareness that what you're
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: doing is wrong enough that you could get in trouble.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: And if you see.
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: Those elements in a crime, then that can constitute us premeditation.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: You saw that with ed Gean.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: He only dug up the bodies under the pale moonlight, right,
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: So he waited until it was pitch black and the
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: world was asleep. To me, that suggests premeditation. When he
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: was ultimately put in the back of a squad car.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: When he was ultimately picked up, the first thing out
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: of his mouth was, I was framed, which was very
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: silly if you listen to the coverage of it. I'm like,
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: you dumb fuck, Like you don't even know why you're
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: in the back of that police car already.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: Confessing to something.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: But basically he had the wherewithal to know, oh shit,
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: I'm getting caught for something that I've done. Here, I'm
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: going to say I was framed. So those two things
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: kind of put up a red flag that there was premeditation. However,
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: all of that said, I think that he was suffering
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: from psychosis.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Really wow, fascinating, absolutely fascinating. All right, let's keep going here.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: In the depths of a mind insane, fantasy and reality
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: are the same, right mm hmm. I mean that goes to.
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: What you were just saying exactly exactly right, Like, if
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: you can't tell that what you're doing is wrong, if
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: you just you've lost all sense of you know exactly
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: what's right and wrong, what's reality? What's fantasy then, you know,
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: to in their lyrics, is your mind insane? Which obviously
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: the definition of insanity, you know, in a legal sense,
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: is different from the definition of you know, somebody who's
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: insanity in a mental health sense. But in the end
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: ed Gain was not, you know, was deemed criminally insane.
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: So that was that was at the time what he
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: was considered.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: This last lyric incized members, I'm skipping the course again,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: insized members, ornaments on my being adulating the skin before me.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, can you guess? Can you guess what that means?
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Take?
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: Can you give us your best shot?
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: I can't. I mean, that's the thing that turns me
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: off with the series is the dancing around, the wearing
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: of the dead body parts, the ornaments on my being
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: quote unquote, I just it's hard to imagine, never mind
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: to watch the visual the dramatization of it. Yeah. Really,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: And I know my listeners are probably gonna be like,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: what are you fucking talking about? You've depicted the goryous
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: shit possible. I don't know. There's just there's something about
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: this story that that just strikes me. It's like the
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Damer story is very similar. It schemes me out in
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: a way that that most stories don't for some for
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: some reason. I mean, I've done cannibalism. I mean I've
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: covered cannibalism the past, nice numerous times, big lurch. We
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: talked about mayhem. But I don't know, man, There's there's
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: just something about I guess the wearing of flesh that
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: is just.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: It gets you.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, listen, good for you, man, I don't have
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: that I wish I did. I have lost all ability
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: to there's no more line for you, There's no more line.
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: I have not lost my empathy at all for the victim.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: So you know, in that sense, I'm still one hundred
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: percent feeling constantly, which is my cross to bear being
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: a true crime podcaster. But no, I can't. I can't
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: get past my fascination with this stuff. I think enough
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: to feel.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: The gruesomeness of it, if that makes sense.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: It's all so symbolic to me that I'm almost looking
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: past the act.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking for the reason behind the act. You
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: so you can objectify the act and the horror of
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: it is a separate thing, and you do it masterfully.
• 49:29
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• 49:33
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• 49:36
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  Speaker 1: Nice and what's you just did the two episodes on
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: ed Gan. What else do you have coming up? What's
• 50:35
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• 50:36
  Speaker 5: The next one I have coming up is, Oh, it's
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: another It's another doozy.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's about.
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: This is Wild, a teenage boy who murdered his parents
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: and then hid their remains in his bedroom and through
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: a massive house party. So I'm going to go to
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: town on the psychology there because that's fucking wild.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: That's that reminds me of the Disgrace lineups. So we
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• 51:05
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• 51:09
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• 51:12
  Speaker 1: put him gonna put him in a box, and then
• 51:13
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• 51:16
  Speaker 1: this his the friend is like rotting in a box
• 51:19
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  Speaker 1: There's like flies. Everyone's like, what's in the box, dude,
• 51:26
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  Speaker 5: Like where's this guy going to get his drugs? Now,
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  Speaker 1: Way back in November nineteen seventy three, Merle Haggard took
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