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Legally Brunette Presents: ‘Til Death Do Us Part - Shanann & Chris Watts · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to an whole new episode of Legally
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  Speaker 1: Brunette presents Till Death Do Us Part. If you have
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  Speaker 1: just started listening to this and you hadn't listened to
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  Speaker 1: our first episode, it's on Betty Broderick. I had so
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  Speaker 1: many people DM me after we did that episode.
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  Speaker 2: Like what like about what? Well?
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  Speaker 1: A lot of women And this is what we talked
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  Speaker 1: about with Betty Broderick where I was saying, remember she
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  Speaker 1: had a hung jury. I was saying, the reason she
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  Speaker 1: had a hung jury is because there were women on
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  Speaker 1: that jury who sympathized with her even though she brutally
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  Speaker 1: murdered her husband and his new wife. I'm telling you
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  Speaker 1: there were women that were, like, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: How many of those jurors went home and started smacking
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  Speaker 2: their husband around?
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly. So I'm just saying it's a very
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  Speaker 1: interesting case. So if you guys haven't had the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to listen to it, please do. Also, you can find
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  Speaker 1: anywhere you listen to podcasts. So today, on Till Death
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  Speaker 1: Do Us Part, we are going to discuss the very
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  Speaker 1: famous case of Chris Watts. And Shanan Watts. So the
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  Speaker 1: Watts family murders took place on August thirteenth of twenty
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  Speaker 1: eighteen in Frederick, Colorado.
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  Speaker 2: There's a Netflix yes special. It's a few years old,
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  Speaker 2: but it's still relevant. And the entire documentary or video
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  Speaker 2: is bodycam footage and security footage. And Shanan did a
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  Speaker 2: lot of back in the day vlogging and facebooking, so
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  Speaker 2: it's a lot of showing that side of the family
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  Speaker 2: and all that. So I remember when I watched it
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  Speaker 2: a number of years ago, I found it fascinating that
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  Speaker 2: it was like you were watching real footage, not interviews,
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  Speaker 2: not after the fact, and you were almost following it
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  Speaker 2: in order real footage canage. So anyway, it was probably
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  Speaker 2: one of the best documentaries that I've watched because it's
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  Speaker 2: just it's not put together with new production. It's just
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  Speaker 2: captured footage and they put it together and that's great.
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  Speaker 1: The Netflix documentary that Shane is referring to is called
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  Speaker 1: American Murder The Family next.
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  Speaker 2: Door Worth watching.
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  Speaker 1: It is very good and it also reminds me of
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  Speaker 1: the Susan Lawnz case, which was all that's when when
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  Speaker 1: she shot her neighbor family shot her neighbor. Remember this
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  Speaker 1: crazy woman, Susan Lawrence, the crazy neighbor that comparted.
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  Speaker 2: I would say all the time this video was better
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  Speaker 2: in the sense that it was more like you're watching
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  Speaker 2: it like that was a little bit chaotic because there
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  Speaker 2: was people running around, there was a lot going on.
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  Speaker 2: Bodycam footage only captured like some parts. This is like
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  Speaker 2: almost like there was drone footage everywhere capturing everything. But
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  Speaker 2: the murders.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and the fact that Shanan was of logger and
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  Speaker 1: covered so much of their intimate day to day life
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  Speaker 1: and family, and that was added in so that you
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  Speaker 1: got an inside view of what was going on in
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  Speaker 1: her mind and things. That makes it really good. The
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  Speaker 1: family murders took place on August thirteen of twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: This is in Frederick, Colorado, and resulted in the deaths
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  Speaker 1: of Shenanne Watts, who was also fifteen weeks pregnant at
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  Speaker 1: the time. She was pregnant with a boy, and her daughters,
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  Speaker 1: Bella and Celeste, and.
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  Speaker 2: Their ages four and three, oh three and four ages
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  Speaker 2: three and four.
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  Speaker 1: The case drew widespread attention, particularly after investigators uncovered that
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  Speaker 1: Shanan's husband and the father to the girls, had been
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  Speaker 1: involved in an affair and had given inconsistent explanations about
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  Speaker 1: what had happened. Ultimately, Christopher Watts this is the dad,
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  Speaker 1: confessed to killing Shanan during an argument about their relationship
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  Speaker 1: and smothered the children in an effort to cover up
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  Speaker 1: the crime. He also initially lied about that too, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get to that. So let's just do
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  Speaker 1: a little timeline background. This is twenty ten to twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: So Chris Watts and Shinanne Rusick were connected through Facebook
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  Speaker 1: after he sent her a friend request. They got married
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  Speaker 1: on November third, twenty twelve, in Charlotte, North Carolina. They
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  Speaker 1: later settled into a five bedroom home in Frederick, Colorado,
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  Speaker 1: valued at around four hundred thousand. I also read that
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  Speaker 1: they both worked and then she worked in an MLM.
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  Speaker 1: She was like sales, sales, but it was an MLM,
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  Speaker 1: and he worked for like a petroleum company or something.
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  Speaker 1: That's wow, how he knew where those wells and tanks
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  Speaker 1: and stuff were. But combined they made about one hundred
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year combined.
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  Speaker 2: Oh the good old days. Duel income.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's not the good old days.
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  Speaker 2: This was twenty eighteen was the one was worth eight million.
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  Speaker 1: Chris worked as an operator at Anadarko Petroleum, and Shanan
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  Speaker 1: worked as a sales representative for Lavelle and frequently traveled
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  Speaker 1: for business. Their children was Bella, but she.
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  Speaker 2: Was also a very much stay at home mom.
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  Speaker 1: I was sure that's the kind of sales job that
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  Speaker 1: allowed her.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't want to take that away from her. She
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  Speaker 2: was always according to the vlogging, she was always with
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  Speaker 2: those kids, right.
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  Speaker 1: So their children were Bella Marie Watts, which was born
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  Speaker 1: She was born December seventeenth, twenty thirteen. You know when
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  Speaker 1: I read that, when I was researching this case, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and bell was born in twenty thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: She was She asked me a question.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I didn't ask you. I'm telling you. Annabel
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  Speaker 1: was born in twenty thirteen. So in my mind, I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking Bello would be turning.
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  Speaker 2: You're kind of putting yourself in that time. Yeah, I was.
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  Speaker 1: Thinking this child would be turning thirsty.
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  Speaker 2: I always do that. Every time I see a date,
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  Speaker 2: I look for the dates of things, and I like
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  Speaker 2: to see where was I when that plane crash happened,
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  Speaker 2: or what was I doing.
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  Speaker 1: I do that too, but I think what struck me
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  Speaker 1: as Annabelle just turned.
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  Speaker 2: Thirteen, he found it more relatable.
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  Speaker 1: So when I saw that this child was born in
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, I was thinking, oh, she would have, you know,
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  Speaker 1: been thirteen this year, but she didn't make it her
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  Speaker 1: thirteenth birthday. Celeste Catherine, who they called Ceci, was born
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  Speaker 1: July seventeenth in twenty fifteen, which is the same year
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  Speaker 1: our boys were born. Oh yeah, and Nico Lee Watts,
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  Speaker 1: which was the unborn son. Shenanne was about fifteen weeks
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  Speaker 1: pregnant at the time of her death. So they claim
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  Speaker 1: that the couple, oh, the couple did was having financial troubles,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm sure added a lot of stress. Idea. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So in twenty fifteen, the couple filed for Chapter seven bankruptcy,
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  Speaker 1: stating they had about four hundred and forty eight thousand
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  Speaker 1: in debt. I mean, that's a lot of debt when
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  Speaker 1: you're when it's more than what your house is worth,
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  Speaker 1: that's a lot of debt. Yeah, they reported significant debt
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  Speaker 1: despite earning close to six figures combined, and their financial
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  Speaker 1: issues included mortgage costs, car payments, medical bills, and other liabilities.
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  Speaker 1: Then we get to the summer of twenty eighteen. Shinan
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  Speaker 1: frequently shared family life on Facebook, portraying a loving household
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  Speaker 1: centered around their daughters. She would publicly share her love
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  Speaker 1: for her husband, claiming he was the best thing to
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  Speaker 1: ever happen to her. It's actually very sad to see that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when they show that in the documentary. I've
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  Speaker 1: seen posts that she's made on Facebook about what an
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  Speaker 1: amazing husband he is and what a great daddy.
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  Speaker 2: Is kind of question if that's if that's true, if
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  Speaker 2: that was her point of view for all those times
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  Speaker 2: she's posting those videos, Yeah, great, But if not, then
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  Speaker 2: you kind of wonder, like how much is it? Like
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  Speaker 2: why I don't want to look bad on Instagram, on
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  Speaker 2: all Facebook or whatever. You know, you kind of want
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  Speaker 2: to keep this lifestyle. Maybe how to do with her sales,
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  Speaker 2: like she's trying to get more you know people platform, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: or wishful thinking.
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  Speaker 1: Or wishful thinking, you never know. That's why it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to know when I always feel like when couples post
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  Speaker 1: a lot on.
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  Speaker 2: We only post the highlights.
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  Speaker 1: I always I always feel like when couples post a
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  Speaker 1: lot on Instagram or Facebook, constantly about like how happy
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  Speaker 1: they are. It always makes me wonder if are happy
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  Speaker 1: they are right, because I never post about us and
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  Speaker 1: Shane Shane, it.
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  Speaker 2: Would be a lot of self incriminating evidence if you
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  Speaker 2: post it stuff about us.
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  Speaker 1: Also, Shane is probably the only person on TV who
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have social media. He has He actually does have
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  Speaker 1: an Instagram account. I don't think he's posted on it
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  Speaker 1: in like what eight years or something.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he got on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the last post was when I started
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  Speaker 1: the show, so that would have been back in twenty
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  Speaker 1: eight two.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, because then I'll post something and then
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  Speaker 2: you'd be like, why do you post this? Why don't
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  Speaker 2: you post that? Why they did not? Yes, I stopped posting.
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  Speaker 1: No, but I will tell you I bet you have
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  Speaker 1: If you go look at your Instagram right now, I
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  Speaker 1: bet you have eight billion friend requests.
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  Speaker 2: Oh probably, Well they're not really my friends. Yeah, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: what is he doing over there?
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  Speaker 1: On June eleven, twenty eighteen, Shenan surprised Chris with news
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  Speaker 1: of the pregnancy. She recorded the whole thing and posted
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  Speaker 1: it on Facebook. He seemed more in shock than happy
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  Speaker 1: about the news. He's probably having an affair at that time,
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  Speaker 1: So when she tells him that she's pregnant, he's probably like, now,
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  Speaker 1: how do I now?
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  Speaker 2: That's gonna be an extra murder charge? Okay, I just
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  Speaker 2: hold on. Okay, it was flash. My last post was
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  Speaker 2: November twenty twenty oh twenty.
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  Speaker 1: You posted in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 2: And I posted that with three daughters, and I said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm grateful for my daughters to have each other, to
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  Speaker 2: create memories and support one another.
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  Speaker 1: That's cute.
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  Speaker 2: And then's tag gift thanks.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you did a hashtag?
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  Speaker 2: Well that was a church thing. They asked us to
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  Speaker 2: start posting like seven days of gratefulness.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and you posted once.
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  Speaker 2: No, that was the last one I posted.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, can you tell how many people do? Can
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  Speaker 1: you tell how many friends requests you have?
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  Speaker 2: I got spend time doing that.
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  Speaker 1: June seventeenth, this is Father's Day. She publicly praised him
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  Speaker 1: in another social media post, but behind the scenes, friends
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  Speaker 1: began hearing that the marriage was experiencing tension. So there
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  Speaker 1: you go. I think she's putting up a brave front, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: for her followers, and.
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  Speaker 2: You know probably and you can't falter. I mean, he's
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  Speaker 2: not gonna go on there and talk about how you
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  Speaker 2: know what piece of crappy is or anything.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So, in June of twenty eighteen, Chris began communicating
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  Speaker 1: with coworker Nicole Kessinger. By early July, the relationship had
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  Speaker 1: become physical. Kessinger claims that Chris told her he was
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  Speaker 1: nearly divorced, and later claims the divorce was finalized.
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  Speaker 2: Nearly divorce is not dating material.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, that's a red flag. They always say
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  Speaker 1: if someone this is the other one. We're not sleeping together.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we haven't slept together for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: We're sleeping in separate badger rooms and we're near early divorce, right.
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  Speaker 1: Or we're just together for the kids, but we don't
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  Speaker 1: pay any attention to it. We're just like roommates, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think those are all red flags.
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  Speaker 2: Like just but please don't call my main number phone, right,
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  Speaker 2: he's this burner number.
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  Speaker 1: But text messages between the two of them don't support
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  Speaker 1: the story. Chris claimed he was going to leave his
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  Speaker 1: wife for her, but he provided no evidence that he
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  Speaker 1: was actually doing it. At one point, Kessinger asked if
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  Speaker 1: they were bad people, which alludes she was well aware
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  Speaker 1: of this being an affair. During this time, this is
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  Speaker 1: June to August of twenty eighteen. Shenana and the girls
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  Speaker 1: were out of town in North Carolina for six weeks
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  Speaker 1: without Chris. Oh Man. He just had a heyday for
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  Speaker 1: six weeks. He had six weeks.
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  Speaker 2: She was gone for six weeks. I would without children, right.
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  Speaker 1: No, she took the girls, so he was he was
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  Speaker 1: a bachelor. He got to be a bachelor for six weeks.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't have to take care of his kids, and
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  Speaker 1: he had no wife around.
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  Speaker 2: Are they hiring? Can you apply to this place?
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  Speaker 1: Apply to what place?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, so you can be gone for six weeks?
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  Speaker 1: Would you like me to leave for six I'm happy
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  Speaker 1: to leave for six if that's what you want with kids,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine. You know what's running around the corner from
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  Speaker 1: our house, the Ritz Carlton. I will be happy to
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  Speaker 1: check it.
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  Speaker 2: No, a different zip code.
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  Speaker 1: It is not a different zip code.
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  Speaker 2: I know. I want you to.
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  Speaker 1: Text messages between Shenana and Chris show increasing strain in
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  Speaker 1: the marriage. This is during this time when I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if she went out out of town for work,
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  Speaker 1: she was gone for six weeks. It probably wasn't. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to Falter any, Well, she's from I believe
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  Speaker 1: she's from North Carolina. It looks like she went back.
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  Speaker 2: Home but without the oh no, with the children. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: well then you know what if she went with oh
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  Speaker 2: you know, what did she did she separate from him
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  Speaker 2: on purpose to take a break.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe somehow that rings a bell.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there was a lot of tension in
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  Speaker 1: the marriage. She wanted to go home and like touch grass.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe she needed to be around families. She took the
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  Speaker 1: girls with her, you know, so maybe she kneededaching.
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  Speaker 2: I heard that term touching grass, touch grass. You never
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  Speaker 2: heard of was touching grass and he was touching.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was touching Nicole Kessinger's booty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Kessinger's phone data later showed she searched for wedding dresses
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  Speaker 1: in early August.
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  Speaker 2: So this is very similar to Lacy Peterson and Scott Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't he date Amber Fry and he was like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we're kind of getting a divorce and oh yeah, he's
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  Speaker 2: had something to explain him being a single person.
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  Speaker 1: Then he also called her and said he was in
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  Speaker 1: Paris and he wasn't remember He's like, oh, it's so
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  Speaker 1: loud in Paris. But Scott Peterson's a whole other world.
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  Speaker 1: I've had so many.
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  Speaker 2: People there have some dating advice.
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  Speaker 1: They have to be divorced, Like you need to ask
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  Speaker 1: for a final divorce decree. Like get on the court's website,
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  Speaker 1: put their name in. You can do a search, pull
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  Speaker 1: it up, look at it. Women out there, You got
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  Speaker 1: to do your due diligence. There are too many red flags.
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  Speaker 1: So on August thirteenth of twenty eighteen, this is when
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  Speaker 1: the murders take place. Around two am, Shenan returned home
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  Speaker 1: from a business trip she was in Arizona. She was
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  Speaker 1: driven home by her friend and co worker, Nicole Atkinson.
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  Speaker 2: Like her best friend.
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  Speaker 1: I think, yes, they're very close.
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  Speaker 2: Like I think you're probably get it. I think that
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  Speaker 2: friend knew of their marital.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I would say yeah. That morning, Schanan missed a
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  Speaker 1: prenatal appointment, which was unusual for her, and this raised
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  Speaker 1: red flags amongst her friends and they knew something was
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  Speaker 1: very wrong. So then Nicole Atkinson, this is her best
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  Speaker 1: friend who dropped her off at that morning, went to
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  Speaker 1: the house and contacted police.
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  Speaker 2: That friend, yeah, was like her actions were a key
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  Speaker 2: part in his conviction. I agree, because she acted fast.
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  Speaker 2: She did so and I know you're going to get
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  Speaker 2: into it, but she acted so fast that this idiot
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  Speaker 2: didn't have time to clean anything up, anything to prep
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  Speaker 2: for a missing wife as he was going to and kids.
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  Speaker 1: Missing wife and kids, right.
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  Speaker 2: Not missing personal belongings, just her and the kids. Is vanished.
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  Speaker 2: Another case, yes, where like the person, phone were left,
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  Speaker 2: the cars there and she just vanished.
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  Speaker 1: Right because she had some affair and she was so
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  Speaker 1: in love that she's like, I don't need a person
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  Speaker 1: or a phone.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna leave right now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm out of here. Yeah, just like Susan Powell. Right, yep.
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  Speaker 1: So Nicole Atkinson went to the house. I believe she
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  Speaker 1: went to the house and was knocking on the door,
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  Speaker 1: and I think didn't she try to get in through
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  Speaker 1: the garage or something. I mean, she was very diligent,
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  Speaker 1: and you're right. She she was like, there's something wrong.
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  Speaker 2: My recollection is she's notifying, she's raising awareness, like immediately
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  Speaker 2: she should this is not right, right. I know she
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  Speaker 2: had concerns about their marriage, like she was suspicious, so
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  Speaker 2: that came to her mind. So then she she goes
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  Speaker 2: there and then the police arrive because she called the
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  Speaker 2: police too. She calls the police, she calls the husband.
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  Speaker 2: The police like are like she calls the husband, He's
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  Speaker 2: basically like, I gotta run a few rands and I'll
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  Speaker 2: be there in twenty minutes. Yeah, And I think he
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  Speaker 2: didn't say that, but I mean, that's how stupid he is, Like,
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  Speaker 2: you're you should be there in two minutes, however long
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  Speaker 2: it takes the drive straight share and he even said,
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  Speaker 2: if I remember correctly, like I'll like, don't do anything,
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  Speaker 2: I'll be there in a minute, right, don't exactly No,
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  Speaker 2: I think he was telling that to like, don't go anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be there. No, No, you don't need to break
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  Speaker 2: the door down. I I'm coming like that. And I'd
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: be like, break the door and do whatever you gotta do.
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  Speaker 2: Let's fine, I'll fix the door. So then he arrives
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  Speaker 2: and there's it's all on great footage. He arrives and
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: he's like trying to act cool with the cop, like
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: shaking his hand and be like, yeah, I don't know
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: what's going on. And he didn't want to go through
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: the garage door. He went through the front door, and
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: then it took him a number of minutes to go
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: through the garage and open the garage door for the place, right,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: So then it's like, what did he do? He probably
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: didn't do anything. He's just so stupid. He probably was
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: just probably was like, yeah, he was probably thinking of
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: what to do. And then he opens the door and
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: lets him in and he just acts like everything's like
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: he's shrugging at everything. I don't know. I was like, yeah, yeah,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: he's the only car. I don't know. It was very
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: sketchy his arrival and is opening the house and allowing
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: the police to do their job. And then there's body
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: cam footage and walking through the whole house looking for everything,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: cops and everything.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: So inside the home, officers found Shenan's purse and phone
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: and keys inside her car in the garage, and her
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: wedding ring on the bed. Also, I think the bed
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: was the bedding. The betting was gone, but there was
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: like a fitted sheet still on the bed. But I
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: believe the rest of the.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Bedding is still converse, right, because we will learn later
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: that he raised that transporter.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Chris claimed that he left for work around five to
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: fifteen am and did not know where his family was.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: The Colorado Bureau of Investigation and the FBI joined into
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: the case. Investigators discovered evidence of Chris's affair. This is
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: interesting because I've seen the interrogation. Have you seen it?
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: It might be in the documentary, but I also watched
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: other videos of just YouTube videos.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Of credited versions, Yeah, of.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Him being interrogated. I mean, I don't know how how
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: stupid you have to be to sit in an interrogation
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: room with police officers and just flat out lie about
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: having an affair, like when you have text messages on
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: your phone. And also co workers called the police and
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: told them about the affair.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: They disappeared better defense strategies he going to have.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: I also believe, and I'm not sure of the exact timing,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: but Nicole, the woman he was having an affair with,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: called police and said she was having an affair with him.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think she was upfront about everything.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was like I didn't know, you know. I mean,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: she's probably nervous, she doesn't want to be parted.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Seeing the interview, she was pretty she had pretty much
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: the tone of like, I don't know, he's apparently a creep.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I got no idea, Like I don't want anything to
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: do with this like I got no part in this.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: And she provided all the evidence, all her phones everything.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: But I don't know if you but they're walking through
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: the home. This is important. They're walking through the home
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: and they're you know, the cops are doing their work
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: by looking around, and he was not so much. He
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: was kind of stalling. He was walking around, he was sweating,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: He wasn't really like trying to find her. And then
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: and then every time something would come up, he just
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: shrugged like, oh, I don't know. Her wedding ring's there. Oh,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know. And the cops were kind of winking
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: at each other like this is shady. Then the cops
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: this is one of the cops makes a false like
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: call out on his walkie talkie and says and just
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: makes it look like it's suspicious. And he did that
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: purposefully to get a reaction out of Chris watch to react,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: and he got more nervous. I don't remember what he
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: called out, but he called out something to make it
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: like this is suspicious behavior, and so he like jerked
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: to the side and looked at him, and they got
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: all nervous. I wouldn't be I'd be like, yeah, get
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: more cops in here, let's look around. And then his
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: excuses are, well, she likes to go to the park,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: and they're like without her phone, without her like without
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: her shoes, without her car. Oh, well, she said that
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: she was going to go swimming at the community pot
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: and they're again, they're like without a car. It doesn't
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: make any sense.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about So my favorite part of the
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: entire documentary if you watch this is when the police
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: suggests that they go to the neighbor's house.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Well, they start knocking doors right because.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: They're they're asking for footage too, right, you have. So
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: they go next door to the house directly next to them, right,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: and they ask the neighbor if you've seen anything or anything,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: and that doesn't the neighbors say.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Hey, I've got He's like, I got footage.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: She's like, I have security.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: He had some issues with his truck or people taking
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: his junk or whatever, so he put footage video surveillance
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: on his driveway for himself. But then in the corner,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: in the back top corner, you could see her lot
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: driveway partially partially right, so you couldn't see like you
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: couldn't see it all. You could see like three quarters
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: of the driveway right, and so they so he's like, yeah,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I got footage, Like, let's look at it to see
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: if we can see her leaving right.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: But this is my favorite part because not only does
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: he say let's look at it, but he puts it on.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: A big screen. This guy's got like a sports bar
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: and he's got remote and he has all the cameras.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'd be like, I don't have to figure out
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: my login. I don't know if I can get on
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: my phone, it would take me forever. This guy's like no.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: He's like, here, let's put it on the big screen TV.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: So then you have footage like because of the cops
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: body cam footage, you have footage of the big screen TV's.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: He's rewinding and kind of fast forwarding to get to
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: the point of time that they're looking for Chris Watt.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: He's pacing, is standing next to the wedding bullets. He
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: has his hand on his face all the time, and
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: he's pacing because he doesn't know what he's gonna see.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: So then what we see is his truck backing up
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: into the driveway and going kind of close to the
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: garage or partially in the garage, so the beds butt
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: up against the garage door, and now you can't see
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: the activity. And then you see him a little bit
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: going to like the driver's door. You don't see any bodies,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: you don't see anything like that. You see him moving
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: her and then he's like, oh, I was taking my toolbox.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: That was getting my lunch. And then he kept explaining
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: how his like his toolbox was heavy, and like all
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: these details that don't matter, like, who cares what's in
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: your toolbox, buddy, just say you did this, and then
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: you drove to work. But he was nervous. And then
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: the cops like, Okay, why don't you go back to
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: your house and give a report to my partner blah blah.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Blah, And then the cop and the neighbor.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: The neighbor was like, dude, that guy was shady, goes,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he saw that. He goes, something's
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: wrong with that guy, and he was like calling him out,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: and the cops like, I know, I know, I know. Yeah,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: he's like I know.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I tell you though.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: That's my favorite thing because it is real time footage
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: of a man surfacing who killed his wife and two
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: children the night before and is now standing in his
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: neighbor's living room not knowing what got picked up on
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: the security camera when he put the bodies into the
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: bed of his truck, and it is about to pop
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: up on a big screen TV with a cop standing there,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: and this man is literally about to crap his pants
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: and you get to see it, and it is great
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to watch him because he.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Is cool because he was like, dude, he go that
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: guy is shady man. Something's wrong with him.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: You know also that I don't know if you picked
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: up on, but before the security camera footage pops up
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: on that big screen TV at the neighbor's house. First
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: there is a commercial which shows a baby in a womb.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: There's like a commercial and it has like a baby.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: It shows a baby and like a woman's on his
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: TV screen, which is very odd because Shanan was pregnant.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Then after that it shows this weird scene from like
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that show American Horror. You know what I'm talking about,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: that show American Horror whatever something like that. But anyway,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: it shows a dead body, like a skull in an
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: oil pit, which is it's all very very odd that
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: that pops up on the screen considering what we know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: into them after he removed the bodies. Anyway, I just
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: wanted to just put that into your mind so that
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: if you're watching the documentary evidence, it's not legal evidence.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: It's just very odd and it's very coincidental and it's
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: very strange. So anyway, if you're watching the documentary, look
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: for those things. Look for Chris Watts about to lose
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: his mind, and look for the commercials that pop up
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: on the screen before the security footage coming.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I recall is now he's like the press is there
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and he's doing like press interviews like oh please please
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: come home. We we you know, I miss you. And
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: it was so like fake. Yeah, I mean he was
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: just saying like please please come home, I love you,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: and it was just so eerie because he was so fake.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: He couldn't even like pretend to have him. He was
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: just calling out and missing her and wanting her back
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: and worried for her safety.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: It's very much like Josh Powell, just like no emotion
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, except Josh Paul didn't. I don't remember a press
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: interview or he was doing that. He did do.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: He talks a little bit, but he had no emotion
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and there was and he didn't participate in like looking
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: for her or anything. So Chris Watts gets taken to
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the police station. You can watch the interrogation. There's question,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: they question him, he gets caught and lies. He says
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have an affair. He also later fails a
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: polygraph test, but I believe he fails it, like epically
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: fails it.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know that. Yeah, take a female that
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: took it, I remember. And then she was just like
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: she tried to build rapport with him, right, but she
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: was him because I think there's like footage of her
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: talking to another investigator and they're just like yeah, they're
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: just calling him out like he's a crooked, he's murderer.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: So then he asked to speak to his father, right,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: he wants to have that sit down with his dad.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think cops know, like let's bring in
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: a family.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Because they're hoping right open up, right. So he talks
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: to his dad and he admits to killing Shenan. But
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: he also this is his first story.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Well, let me give credit to the father, because the
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: father was like, come clean, dude. Yeah, he had the
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: tone of like, now's the chance, let's just do it.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Let's do it for them. He had wind of his
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: son knowing something, and he did the right thing by
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: getting him to Yeah.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: But his first confession was not entirely true. He confessed
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: to killing Shenan. He said he wanted to divorce or
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: something like they got in a fight about the relationship,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: so then she got mad at him and went and
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: killed the girls. And then he killed her because she
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: killed the girls. So that was like his first story, right,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: he was like, you know, like they had a fight
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: about divorcing, and then she got pissed and then she
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: went and smothered the girl. Like if he saw her
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: smother the girls, he couldn't have dude, right, he's a
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: big guy, right, right.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: In fact, that was the thing he started to work out,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: right because he had the mistress. Well, I think then
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: he got the mistress, he started he started to kind
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: of work on himself. That's why I don't go to
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the gym. I try to avoid temptation.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I thank you for I love you, I appreciate it.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Thank you. So that was his first story. Then he
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: eventually comes clean and admits that he killed Shannan and
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: he also killed the two girls. So finally Chris admitted
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: to the murders and told investigators that he put both
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: of his hands around Shenan Watt's neck and strangled her
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: at their home. He said his wife never fought back
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: or screamed. I don't know. Was she asleep. That must
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: have been because she came home at two in the morning.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Well, then he has another account. Later he says that
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: they had sex.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that, he does.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then she got heated or something. They got
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: in an argument and then he strangled her or whatever,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: and he couldn't black down. He doesn't know. He couldn't
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: control himself. Oh, but that's all that stuff.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: He couldn't control himself with the two daughters either. Then
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: he says his four year old daughter, Bella, walked into
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: their bedroom holding her blanket and asked what was wrong
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: with her mom. He told her that Shenan didn't feel well.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Chris dragged his lifeless wife down the stairs as Bella
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: watched and began to cry. He backed his truck into
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the driveway. This is what got caught on the security
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: camera of the neighbors, right because they get a they
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: have the security camp catches him into his garage and.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Then going back and forth, but you don't see what
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: he's doing because one's on the far side of the.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Truck, so he can't see him bed.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: You don't see the end of the tailgate or anything
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: to see what he's lowering around.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Also, anything claim that it was strange because he said
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: he'd never seen him back his truck into the garage before.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: That was like a first yeah.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Then he then he kept saying how his toolbox was,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: like he wouldn't stop with this toolboxing. It's like, okay, dude,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: you put your toolbox in the truck.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Like, so he backs his truck into the driveway and
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: put his wife's body into the back seat on the floorboard.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: He put both daughters and the back of his truck
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: on the bench.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Both daughters not yet dead.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: That's an important detail, although it's a frightful and disgusting detail.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: But at this point he has not killed the children yet.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: He killed the wife put her into the bed part.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Then they wonder did he then kill the children because
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: he wanted to not have any family, or did he
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: kill the children thinking like they could test ye now
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to care for them, or like.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know so from their house he drives away,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and he drove to the oil site where he had worked,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: because you know what we talked about, how he worked
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: for that oil company. And during the ride, his daughters
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: dozed off and on and laid in each other's laps.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: That's really hard to think about. At the oil site,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Watts told police that he took Shannan Watts's body out
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: of the truck and laid her on the ground near
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: where he ultimately buried her. Bella and Celeste were in
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the back of the truck and asked him, what are
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: you doing to mommy? He doesn't remember what he told them.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: According to his report, he buried Shanan and their unborn
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: son in a shallow grave. Then he strangled Bella and
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Celeste with a blanket and hid their bodies inside.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Talk about it, but he did one and then the
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: second one showed fear and said, why are you going
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: to do that to me too, something to that effect,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: because he says that those last words like haunt him
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: every single day, like well they should, that they should,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: but I'm just saying, like that's where it comes from.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: It come from. He admitted, you know what it was said,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and then another thing, and then he puts them in
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: these above ground tinkers. Right. Yeah, he climbs like a
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: chute or something, dumps them down a chute and like
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I think, as grisome as is, you really have to
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: shove them down as far as the size go. So
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: he was really wanting this to happen. And then when
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: they found out where she was buried, because he eventually
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: comes clean about a lot of things, she was very
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: far from the tankers, the tanks, and he said because
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: he didn't want her, he was so hateful towards her.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: He didn't even want her near the children.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Oh so even after they're dead, he's still veinge them
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: all together. How did he lead police back to Where
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: did he eventually lead police back to where her I.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Think I think his truck had you know, tracking, and
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: they saw where he wentz And then I think they
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: questioned the area and they were surveilling the area for
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: shallow graves. And I don't remember if they found hers
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: first or if he ended up admitting what happened, But
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: he eventually explains what he did in the order of events,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: and they do find the body and the children.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Now we're in August twenty first of twenty eighteen, Chris
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Watch is charged with multiple counts of first degree murder.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: He also gets additional charges for unlawful termination of a
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: pregnancy and for tampering with the deceased human bodies. I
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: guess that's the transportation and burying and throwing them in
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: oil and all that. On November six of twenty eighteen,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: he pleads guilty to the murders. That is an exchange
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: for not getting the death penalty. The death penalty. Actually,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the death penalty was not pursued by Shenan's parents. I
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: think they believed they made some type of statement that
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: another death wouldn't.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: They didn't see that as any more justice than just lock.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, although I'll tell you I looked
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: up if Colorado had the death penalty because I wanted
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: to know immediately when we were going to talk about
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: this case, because you know how we talked about with
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Brian Coberger in the Idaho case. If anyone deserves the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: death penalty, it would be him. So why the prosecution
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: took a plea deal?
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, you could say the same here then, So why
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: did the prosecution allow him to plea out?
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I also when I was looking up
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the death penalty in Colorado. Colorado used to have the
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: death penalty. It was abolished in twenty twenty, but this
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: happened in twenty eighteen, so he would have been eligible
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: for the death penalty at that time. And I believe
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: they abolished it and twenty twenty the governor did. But
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was retroactive. It was only and then.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: They were like, well, no, I don't think it can
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: be right. Just the opposite is true too. If you
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: do something that's not a crime and then later it
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: becomes a crime, they can't retroactively right.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Right, So he would have been it because this occurred
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, so at that time he would have
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: been eligible for the death penalty. I believe. I guess
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: maybe the prosecution allowed him to escape the death penalty
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: because the other because the family on the other side
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: said that they I guess they weren't interested in pursuing that.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: So you mentioned that went away in twenty twenty. It
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: makes me wonder too if they were kind of scaling back,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: like they knew like like like the death penalty was
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: not a thing among the justice system there anyway, so
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: maybe they were kind of not really Oh, well, yeah,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: that's true.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: They might have started the legislation to abolish it prior.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but anyway, nonetheless he gets life.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: So on November nineteen, the twenty eighteen, Chris Watts was
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: sentenced to five life terms without parole. He received additional
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: decades for unlawful termination of pregnancy and tampering with the bodies,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and Shnan's parents filed a wrongful death lawsuit the same day.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: You know, I never understood, I mean, he's in life,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: he's I mean, he's in prison for life, the wrongful
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: death lawsuit against him. What is the expectation of that.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe he has insurance and it's not you know, obviously
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: they would money isn't going to replace the kids. Maybe
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: they need something just to try to be able to
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: do things to you know, for their memory of their
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: grandchildren or who knows what. It's also like like the
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: OJ Simpson thing, it's like, well, what if one day
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: he has a windfall, then we can collect Oh you're.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Saying it's a lean basically of something. Okay. So then
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: in December of twenty eighteen, Chris Wats gets transferred to
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the Dodge Correctional Institution and wop on Wisconsin for safety reasons.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I don't, probably because when you're a child killer. I've
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: always heard that there is like a hierarchy right in
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: prison and that I don't care how hardened of a
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: criminal you are. There's like, no, there's no, they don't
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: tolerate child molesters and child abusers and child killers.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: It's kind of a hierarchy, right, And in a way,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: the hierarchy serves the purpose of people thinking, I'm not
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: as bad as you, like I am in here, but
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: you're a piece of crap, right, like yeah, so there what.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm saying it's like it's.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: So then he's in like solitary or protective or something.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I don't care how hardened of a criminal you are.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: And if you're on death row. But if you murdered
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: you know, like it's I don't know, you murdered another
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: man or something, then it's not that's not as egregious.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: But you can't or right, you know, it's like, okay,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: but you cannot murder children, and you cannot sexually abuse children.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: You cannot molest children, because then.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: That's what And I'm sure they've all watched the documentary
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: so they know exactly who he is.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, they'll know exactly who he is. You're right. And
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: February eighteenth of twenty nineteen, in a lengthy prison prison interview,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: he admitted to killing his daughters and described the events
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: in detail. Then in November eighteenth of twenty nineteen, he
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: was ordered this is the civil suit. He was ordered
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: to pay si Ann's parents six million and a civil judgment.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: The ruling prevents him from profiting from the crimes.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Also, I just saw something recently because I was researching
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: this case before we talked about it. He also has
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: written many many letters from prison and I to women.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: He has a lot of women at pen pals. It's
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: those you know, we talked about this in other cases,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: and especially when we did Wade Wilson about you know,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: the women that just I don't know what it is,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: but you know they want to be pen pals with
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: this guy, and you know he's looking to have another wife.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: He'll probably get married at some point. I mean, there's
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: women out there that.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Are You can't have a conjugal visit though, no, but
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: usually if it's life because the you know, the whole
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: point of a conjugal visit is to have sex. No, well,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: that's what happens. But what's the purpose. Well, why do
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: they allow it?
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Why do they allow it to keep their prisoners happy?
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because that they're in the business of making
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: the prisoners happy. Yeah, it's to help them give them
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: purpose and something to look forward to to getting out.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: So conjual visits aren't just in like a cell. Sometimes
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: they'll have like.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: A an apartment.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: So the idea is hopefully they can kind of look
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: forward to having this family, this union and things like
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: that and go out. So if you're in prison for
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: life without the possible a parole, then screw you. I mean,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: what's the point of trying to get you.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: So you're saying the conjugal visit is to inspire, like,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: beyond your best behavior, you can get out someday. This
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: is what life is like.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Then and then when you get out, then hopefully
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: you have the relationship with someone and you can move
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: in and blah blah blah.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Here's just a little sample of a letter he wrote.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: It says, I was a good husband and father. Things
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: happened and I am no longer a good husband and father,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: but I am still a good man. He's become very spiritual.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I guess he reads the Bible every day and he
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: writes a lot of things that are religious and spiritual.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: But he doesn't have remorse and he doesn't take accountability.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: He calls women and a lot of these letters that
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: he writes that go to other women or whatever, whoever
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: he's writing to. He blames his mistress. He calls her
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: a harlot. He calls her a whore.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: He blames she like kind of duped him into like
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: she was like you know the she's the mastermind, right.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: And she's a harlot and you know whatever. And so
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: he writes a lot about women, and he calls him
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of names, and he doesn't take a lot
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: of remark.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: He's really struggling. Then, is he struggling or is it
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: like with with reality, like with what he did and
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: his mistress and the choices he made, and he's blaming
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the whole women, you know, community or whatever.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're whores and harlots.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: You to pose as a female and write these people
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: and see and see what happens, see what it's like.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: That'd be a whole other podcast. Yes, should I write
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Wade Wilson and see what happens.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: All of them should Okay, I don't know, you know,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You might inspire me to do that.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I'll do that with my free time. But you know
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: what's interesting when you think about.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: It and then to escape and knock on her. Yeah,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I know, thanks forget that idea.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Okay. The interesting thing is that the fact that this
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: man is spending all this time being spiritual and reading
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the Bible, and yet his takeaway is still to take
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: no accountability, to show no remorse.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Well, he's probably maybe the spirituality is justifying like I
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: am a good man, Isn't that what he's just saying?
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: He says, I'm a good man? Right, But to take
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: to be to spend that much time reading the Bible
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: and to be spiritual, and to not take away any
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: accountability from that, it's just the whores and Harlot's all right.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: So the case has been the subject of multiple media portrayals,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: and January twenty sixth of twenty twenty, Lifetime release a
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: dramatized film about the case. I'll tell you, I'm never
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: a big fan of dramatized I don't really like reenactments.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean bodycam footage.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I like bodycam footage too. I mean I'll watch them
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: because you can always get.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Wait, so is this out yet or it's coming out?
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: It came out in twenty twenty. Did we watch it?
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: No?
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I did not watch that.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I won't watch it because there's a whole Yeah,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: like you can watch the real deal, right, and then
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: it's like watching a cover band versus the real band. Right,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: I go see the real band exactly.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: So the real band came out On September thirtieth of
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Netflix released a documentary using all the home
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: footage and the digital records. And that's the one that
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: we were That's the one that both of you and
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I have watched, and that's what we're talking about. The
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: American Murder The Family next Door. Shnan's family has publicly
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: criticized at least one dramatization, stating that they were not consulted.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I think that's the Lifetime one. They weren't consulted about it.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: And when they put it together.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I might have saw like parts of it. It was
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: like on TV, and it was it was just I
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: don't know. After you see the real stuff, it's just
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: hard to watch. Yeah, something that's a dramatization, which you
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: know may not be entirely accurate, and they have fillers
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: in there and edit things right.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: But I will tell you though, when you talk about dramatizations,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I did think the Amanda Knox one that was on Hulu,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I thought that one was great. But that's because Amanda
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Knox was involved in so.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: You can say that it was likely what took place.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Right as it took right because she was a producer,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: she was involved, so that one was great. But anyway,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: all right, so thank you guys so much for listening
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: to Legally Brunette Till death do Us Part. We love
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: talking about these cases and breaking them down. And if
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: you have any suggestions that would fit this podcast as
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: far as wives offing their husbands or husbands offing their wives,
• 40:23
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• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to put on your radar because I
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: want to talk about this eventually, but not right now,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: because there's very little information.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: File for divorce instead of murdering your spouse, I.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Get, well, that's just our blanket public service announcement. With
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: this podcast, file for divorce, you don't have to murder
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: anyone is. There's a new case in Tip City, Ohio.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: The woman's name is Ashley Flynn. And if you guys remember,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I'm from Ohio. My whole family's on Ohio. So my
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: sister actually sent me the article the other day and
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I read it, and when I was reading it, it's
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: you know, it talks about how it was a home invasion,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: there was a burglary that went wrong, and the dad
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and the mom were home and the kids, but the
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: wife was the only one that was murdered. The husband
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: was fine and the kids were fine. And I remember
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: replying to my sister and I said, you know what,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: the husband did it. And then about two or three
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: days later she sent me a follow up article where
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: the husband has been detained charged and the murder of
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: like a hit hire, like he hired someone allegedly allegedly.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: So anyway, her name's Ashley Flynn. It's in Tip City, Ohio.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: There's not a lot of information right now, so we
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: really can't do a full podcast on it. But anyway,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to talk about that because I feel
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: like that's going to.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Be I wanted to say that you predicted it was
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: the husband and now he's arrested.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Well I did, I was right. But anyway, I also
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: apparently he was a contestant on American Idol at some
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: point too. So I just feel I have a feeling
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: that this case is going to be one of those
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: that is big in the media surface. Yeah, so anyway,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: just putting that on your ear.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I have a thought. Yeah, I thought about this the
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: other day.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: His final thoughts, this is what we're going to do.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Well, it's about Chris Watts. Okay, he pleas out like, oh,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I don't want the death penalty. I'll just go to
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: jail for life.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: He has no wife, obviously, he has no children. I
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: don't think any family members are going to come visit him.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a good question.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's sad. What is your thinking, like, what is
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: the purpose of living now there is no purpose? Well,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, he's a narcissist.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Un you're such a narcissist. You're just going to write
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: letters all day calling women the whores and harlots and
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: the hope that you get married again and talk about
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: what a great guy you are.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: What's a harlot?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: A whore?
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Oh so it's horse and horse, horse and horse.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: But harlot's just another term. Yeah.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, I just thought about that, like the
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: other day, was you know, He's like, oh, yeah, I
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: don't want to die. I want to live, but all
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: my family because he he shows initially, he showed regret
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to have to live with those thoughts
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: and blah blah blah and all that stuff. So he
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: knows what he did was wrong, whether he admits it
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: or not. Any further, why would he want to stay
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: in jail? And it's it's just a weird thought.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Well, it's the same with Brian Coberger. He committed horrible
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: going to be He's going to be in prison the
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: rest of his life. Are you saying suicide?
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: No, Well go ahead, But I'm saying his entire family
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: is eliminated and he wants to stay alive. I don't know,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: just seem because he's probably.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Gonna work out in prison, and he gets three meals
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: a day and he's going to write letters to people
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: and then he's interviews every once in a while. Well,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you'd have to ask him. Let's get
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Chris Watts. Can we get Chris Watts on the pod.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Want Chris Watson here, No, we get AI Chris Watts. Yeah,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: you write him and you get a letter back, and
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: then we'll revisit this case.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to work on that, all right.
• 43:42
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• 43:44
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• 44:07
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