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When Evil Becomes Normal · Life TV now

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  Speaker 1: your health or treatment plan. What if you could be
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  Speaker 1: convinced to accept something today that you would have completely
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  Speaker 1: rejected just a few years ago? What if your values
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  Speaker 1: didn't change overnight, but the line around you moved so
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  Speaker 1: gradually that you barely noticed? How does the unthinkable become tolerable,
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  Speaker 1: the unacceptable become acceptable, and eventually even normal? And most importantly,
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  Speaker 1: how do you recognize when it's happening to you? We're
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  Speaker 1: going to be talking about all of this and more
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  Speaker 1: right now. Hello, everybody, and welcome to Life TV Now,
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  Speaker 1: where we unpack all matters of truth, faith, and freedom.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Joe Artishorn. Today, we're talking about when
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  Speaker 1: evil becomes normal. But before we dive in, let me
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  Speaker 1: introduce who's here. She's an integrative nutrition health coach with
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  Speaker 1: a master of science in health education. Please welcome our
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  Speaker 1: executive director, Jamie Woodall. And she's a credentialed ordained reverend
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  Speaker 1: with a degree in Bible and theology, a powerful voice
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  Speaker 1: in Christian television. Please welcome Donna Howell.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Good to be here.
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  Speaker 1: off immediately with some of the things that we are
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  Speaker 1: watching in culture unfold on the daily. And I will
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  Speaker 1: not name names because apparently this particular case has not
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  Speaker 1: been properly adjudicated, and I will not work on rumor
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  Speaker 1: or innuendo. But I will say that there is a
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  Speaker 1: very large-scale investigation right now into a lady who has
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  Speaker 1: been alleged to have unalived her children. Whether that is
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  Speaker 1: factual or whether she has been framed, the response from
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  Speaker 1: the public is self-evident. She has people that don't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: care about that detail already championing her. And now there
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  Speaker 1: are people advocating, proponents of mothers now, that could be what?
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  Speaker 1: classified as those struggling with depression. And now we're going
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  Speaker 1: to move the goalposts to a new reality where maybe
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  Speaker 1: unaliving your children is something we just need to understand.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we are traveling down a path of utter lunacy.
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  Speaker 1: To me, this is when evil becomes good. Good becomes
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  Speaker 1: considered evil. It's just absolute. We're politicizing now murder. We're
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  Speaker 1: politicizing now evil. Now there will be people watching this program. Joe,
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  Speaker 1: catch up, man. We've been politicizing evil for decades. I
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  Speaker 1: am not talking about what politicians do behind closed doors
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  Speaker 1: to shake hands and advance their own dark and evil
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  Speaker 1: malevolent purposes for humankind. I'm talking about the vast population
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  Speaker 1: now that is so split down the middle on what
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  Speaker 1: is morally good. And I ask myself, how in the world,
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  Speaker 1: now generically, obviously it's a spiritual problem, but how in
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  Speaker 1: the world did we get here? I don't think that God...
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  Speaker 1: inherently hardwires human beings for a bent on this level
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  Speaker 1: of delusion or acceptance for what is absolutely, to me,
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  Speaker 1: self-evidently wrong, right? But there are techniques and mechanics. We
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  Speaker 1: see this a lot in politics, which I may talk
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  Speaker 1: about in a minute, to groom a society closer and
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  Speaker 1: closer and closer to things they would have screamed about
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  Speaker 1: just 10 years prior. This is an atrocity. But there's
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  Speaker 1: this process of digging and digging and digging and digging.
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  Speaker 1: Before I steal your thunder, I want to start with
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  Speaker 1: these phrases that you hear in social media that you've
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  Speaker 1: given credit to a part of this process. These are
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  Speaker 1: phrases called foot in the door or door in the
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  Speaker 1: face techniques. And admittedly, those phraseologies are a little bit
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  Speaker 1: new for me. So Donna Howell, how can these things
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  Speaker 1: be used to get people to accept something they otherwise
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  Speaker 1: would have totally whole cloth rejected?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so social media has taken a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of an initiative to expose what these things are. But
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  Speaker 2: way before social media, these were well-known tactics for psychological improvement.
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  Speaker 2: not just manipulation. It's not always evil, but most of
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  Speaker 2: the time that is how it plays out, especially in
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  Speaker 2: modern society. These are psychological adjustment patterns that they put
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  Speaker 2: into society. And the first one that I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: tell everybody about, they're going to see the ending coming
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  Speaker 2: before I get there because a lot of people see
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  Speaker 2: it all the time. And even though they didn't know
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  Speaker 2: it was called foot in the door, they're going to go,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I know where she's going. The
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  Speaker 2: second one, There are people that would be like, why
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  Speaker 2: would they even do that? It seems counterproductive. Oh, and
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  Speaker 2: then it's going to swing back around and there's going
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  Speaker 2: to be the gotcha. So bear with me through the two.
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  Speaker 2: The first one, foot in the door.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: This is the grooming tactic for public culture society that says,
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  Speaker 2: if you just get your foot in the door, you
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  Speaker 2: can dabble a little bit and give them a little
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  Speaker 2: bit at a time, incrementally introduce an idea that they
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  Speaker 2: don't like. but you just give them a little bit
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  Speaker 2: over here and a little bit over there. And eventually
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  Speaker 2: they start to warm up to the idea. Now I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to give you an example using a fake company.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just call this BroTube.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say BroTube, it's a streaming platform and the CEO
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  Speaker 2: wants $ 50 a month out of people. Okay. And right
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  Speaker 2: now everybody's paying $ 25 a month. This is a massive increase.
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  Speaker 2: This is the doubling of the price. Let's say ultimately
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  Speaker 2: the goal is we want to get to $ 50. A
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  Speaker 2: little bit here and there. There's a price increase coming.
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  Speaker 2: Understand there's a price increase coming. Just a little bit
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  Speaker 2: introducing the idea. Hey, hey, hey, this thing you don't like,
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  Speaker 2: it's coming, but we need it for all these reasons.
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  Speaker 2: Look at all the ways that this is going to
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  Speaker 2: benefit culture. We need this. We need this. We need this.
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  Speaker 2: By the time you see the $ 50 per month calculation,
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  Speaker 2: you've already accepted it. It's been incrementally introduced to you
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  Speaker 2: as an idea that this is coming. The foot was
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  Speaker 2: in the door a year ago. So by the time
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  Speaker 2: $ 50 a month arrives, you're like, yeah, well, everybody can
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  Speaker 2: complain about it. But we did know this was coming.
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  Speaker 2: And look at all of the ways that we're going
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  Speaker 2: to help society with this wonderful thing. BroTube does all
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  Speaker 2: these great things, whatever. That's foot in the door. Everybody
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  Speaker 2: has heard of that one. Even if they didn't know
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  Speaker 2: it had a name, everybody has generally seen it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's where I fall in. I would have called
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  Speaker 1: it the moving of the goalposts. I've used that reference
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  Speaker 1: for decades, but I did not know it was called now,
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  Speaker 1: you know, foot in the door technique.
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  Speaker 2: And again, it's not now called foot in the door.
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  Speaker 2: That is a very old technique. old term representing a
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  Speaker 2: psychological grooming tactic that has existed since way before the internet.
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  Speaker 2: This is in the world of psychology. If you want
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  Speaker 2: to know the first time I actually ever heard these terms,
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  Speaker 2: foot in the door, door in the face, it was
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  Speaker 2: in a, mind you, a secular college psychology class. It
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  Speaker 2: was a deep psychology class that dives into what makes
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  Speaker 2: you human, what makes you vulnerable, what makes you strong,
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  Speaker 2: what makes you who you think you are, identity development.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the first things that they taught us
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  Speaker 2: was about this idea. And then they showed historical examples
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  Speaker 2: of how this has been used since way before Martin Luther.
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  Speaker 2: Like this is an old art and we fall for it.
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  Speaker 2: We know about this one, though. Lots of people see it. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I see what they're doing. They're introducing this idea pretty much.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty soon it's going to be this big, much bigger thing. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's foot in the door. This is the one that
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  Speaker 2: most people have never heard of. They certainly have never
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  Speaker 2: heard the name. But even if they have, they have
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  Speaker 2: no idea. It seems initially counterproductive. Watch this. Go back
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  Speaker 2: to BroTube, right? This streaming platform that doesn't exist. BroTube
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  Speaker 2: wants $ 50 a month, right? Same example. different tactic. If
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  Speaker 2: it's ultimately wanting $ 50 a month out of all of
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  Speaker 2: its subscribers, it starts by warning you with something that
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  Speaker 2: following the pattern of the term here, the minute you
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  Speaker 2: hear it, you're going to slam the door shut on
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  Speaker 2: that idea. They know in advance. Nobody will ever accept this.
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  Speaker 2: I want $ 200 a month. They ultimately, they're going for 50,
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  Speaker 2: but they know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to go way. Yeah, the desired outcome is $ 50,
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  Speaker 1: but they're going to say 200.
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  Speaker 2: This would work with you and me, Joe, if I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to put this on you and you came to
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  Speaker 2: my front door and I'm ultimately wanting $ 50 out of
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  Speaker 2: your pocket. I could start with 200. I'm going to say, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: I'm Can you spot me, man? I need $ 200. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you can make that whatever amount you want, $ 2, 000, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: The point is I'm intentionally choosing something much bigger, much higher,
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  Speaker 2: much worse than what I'm actually going for. And it
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  Speaker 2: seems counterproductive. But in your mind, I know your psychology
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  Speaker 2: is going to go, oh, there is no way.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way.
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  Speaker 2: There's no way I'm giving you $ 2, 000.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to hear about this. Right.
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  Speaker 2: You're out of your mind. Okay. So then, okay, Joe, okay. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: member of BroTube, let's just ratchet it down a bit.
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  Speaker 2: I realize I've offended you by the 2,000 or the
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  Speaker 2: 200 or insert number here. We're going to bump it
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  Speaker 2: down a little bit. How does 100 sound? Again, I
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  Speaker 2: know in my mind, as the bad guy in this scenario,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going for 50. But I've started with something so grand,
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  Speaker 2: so opulent, so huge, and I knew you were going
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  Speaker 2: to reject it, that after you're done being offended, watch this.
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  Speaker 2: A wave of relief hits the victim in this. When
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  Speaker 2: they find out, oh, 50, that's a negotiable amount.
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  Speaker 1: I can do 50.
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  Speaker 2: We can do 50.
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  Speaker 1: 50 is a lot better than 200.
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  Speaker 2: If you knocked on my door or I knocked on
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  Speaker 2: your door and asked you for 50 bucks in this
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  Speaker 2: fictional scenario, immediately- I know I'm not getting 50 bucks.
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  Speaker 2: I asked for too much. But if I ask for
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  Speaker 2: way more than that and then scale it down, the
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  Speaker 2: waves of relief that hits you is what makes you
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  Speaker 2: the victim of this manipulation. So BroTube wants $ 50 a month.
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  Speaker 2: They start by warning the public, in a few months,
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  Speaker 2: we are going to increase our price to $ 200 a month.
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  Speaker 2: It's coming. Now, there's a backswing to this that is
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  Speaker 2: also manipulation. The CEO comes out. And says, folks, we've
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  Speaker 2: heard your complaints. We know that you cannot do $ 200
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  Speaker 2: a month. I understand. I get it. I get it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Let's compromise.
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  Speaker 1: This thing really got ahead of us. We've heard you. Right.
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  Speaker 1: We're listening. We care.
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  Speaker 2: Let's compromise. We're going down to $ 50. Everybody goes, oh,
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  Speaker 2: a few $ 50 a month, okay? He has not only
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  Speaker 2: gotten what he wants, now he's the savior.
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  Speaker 1: He's delivered.
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  Speaker 2: He's delivered. He gets to enter the scene as the
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  Speaker 2: guy who really was there for you.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. He took care of us on this deal.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's like a car salesman.
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  Speaker 1: And the laity have their moral victory because they didn't
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  Speaker 1: pay the 200, right? Because enough of them called in
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  Speaker 1: or stood up.
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  Speaker 2: The victims in this don't understand. In either of these
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  Speaker 2: two tactics, they don't know that what they're experiencing is
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  Speaker 2: that they have been victimized. They think they are celebrating
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  Speaker 2: a win. I complained. There was a compromise. We won.
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  Speaker 2: And they're celebrating the idea that not only did we win,
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  Speaker 2: but he gets it. He understands us now. Governments use
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  Speaker 2: these tactics. Major corporations use these tactics.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here writing all these notes down.
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  Speaker 2: These are psychological manipulation tactics that watch this over time. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so I will not give specifics because this is a
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  Speaker 2: family show. But if I was a super bad guy,
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  Speaker 2: high rung on the ladder of some government or some
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  Speaker 2: corporation or some organization, and I wanted the worst thing
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  Speaker 2: you could possibly imagine to be introduced to our society
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  Speaker 2: as a norm, as a normative behavior, an absolute something
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  Speaker 2: that we were desensitized.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Something that is horrible, sinful, the blackest thing that you
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  Speaker 2: can imagine. We want to normalize this, right? I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to do both at the same time. I'm going to have,
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  Speaker 2: because remember, I'm going to drop a word here, oligarchy.
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  Speaker 2: Lots of people don't even understand what that means. But
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  Speaker 2: the bottom line is, if you were to look at
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  Speaker 2: some of these major, major, major corporations, if I was
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  Speaker 2: to hold a poster in front of you and it
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  Speaker 2: has everything from McDonald's to Sonic to Taco Bell to
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  Speaker 2: every fast food chain, You'd think, okay, there's 200 companies here.
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  Speaker 2: But now look at the owners of these, there's 10.
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  Speaker 2: And they each own all these different labels, right? The
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  Speaker 2: owners at the top of the ladder know that they
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  Speaker 2: are in charge of all these different things. So over
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  Speaker 2: here at this fast food restaurant, I can dabble in
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  Speaker 2: a foot in the door. groom society to accept this
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  Speaker 2: kind of meat that people don't like. This other one
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  Speaker 2: over here can do a door in the face. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to blast you out of kingdom come tomorrow. We
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  Speaker 2: are doing the worst meat you've ever seen. We don't
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  Speaker 2: even care if you like it. If you don't like it,
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  Speaker 2: then don't come to our restaurant. We could care less.
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  Speaker 2: These people own 10 different restaurant chains. They can dabble
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  Speaker 2: and they can risk like that because Paul can feed
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  Speaker 2: Mary and nobody cares. So they don't lose anything in
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  Speaker 2: the ultimate fight of doing both tactics at once. So
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  Speaker 2: whereas one of them is footing the door in you
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  Speaker 2: to accept a bad meat over here just a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's the same meat you had yesterday. We're
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  Speaker 2: just upping this ingredient a little bit. It's trace amounts.
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  Speaker 2: The FDA is fine. That's right. Right, right. This one
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  Speaker 2: over here is going to say, we are launching the
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  Speaker 2: worst thing you've ever seen and we don't care if
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to buy it because they know there's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a lot of people that go, eh,
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  Speaker 2: if the FDA approves it, it's fine, and they're just
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  Speaker 2: going to drive straight through. Interesting. There's going to be
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  Speaker 2: both psychological manipulation tactics happening at once so that by
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  Speaker 2: the end of that week, month, year, however long this
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  Speaker 2: process took, You have completely been desensitized. You have normalized
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  Speaker 2: the idea that whatever this bad meat was that this
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  Speaker 2: oligarchy was selling you, it's old news, man. Everybody's living
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  Speaker 2: on it now.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my word.
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  Speaker 2: So you're so desensitized, and this is the kind of
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  Speaker 2: thing that makes you not only accept eventual success, evil
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  Speaker 2: into your society in every aspect, everything from morally what
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  Speaker 2: you are okay with popping up on your computer screen,
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  Speaker 2: what you're okay with getting when you go through a drive-through,
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  Speaker 2: what companies you will give your money to. It's everything. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, recently, this made me so mad. I won't
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  Speaker 2: say the company, but this made me so mad, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: So mad I.
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  Speaker 2: Get fired up. There is a certain company right now
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  Speaker 2: that is selling a customized can of soda, and it
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  Speaker 2: can say anything you want it to say, but it
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  Speaker 2: will not say anything good about Jesus. It will say
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  Speaker 2: bad things about Jesus. It will say good things about Allah, Buddha,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't matter. Everything you want to be on this can,
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  Speaker 2: you can have on this can, but if you say
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  Speaker 2: Jesus loves, sorry, we can't do that. You've picked a
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  Speaker 2: celebrity whose name we can't use. What?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: This thing has gone so viral. I'm sure there are
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  Speaker 2: some people out there that know exactly what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 2: But this made me so mad. And I went home
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  Speaker 2: and I told my husband, whatever investments that we might
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  Speaker 2: ever make in our lifetime, not go into that company. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I looked up the oligarchy. That company is in everything.
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  Speaker 2: If we can support this guy over here, we didn't
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  Speaker 2: realize we're also supporting the major oligarchy. They're all owned
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  Speaker 2: by everything. They're pulling this kind of stuff all the time.
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  Speaker 2: This is how. We come around to accepting and normalizing evil.
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  Speaker 2: You are being manipulated.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: And once you see it, you can't unsee it because
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  Speaker 2: you see both things happening. You see one thing over
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  Speaker 2: here doing foot in the door, another thing over here
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  Speaker 2: doing door in the face, and the second that you
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  Speaker 2: see them come into play, you go, I see what's happening.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: That's the moment. That's the moment where you have to say,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: what would I have not accepted a year ago? What
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: would I have not stood for months ago? Am I
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: willing to accept it now just because I've been psychologically
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: groomed and conditioned that this is normal? That's how that happens.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: So the whole time you were talking, my brain is
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: just exploding with so many recent examples of this. And
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: of course, this is a trick that politicians use all
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the time. And I'm not going to get into blue
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: team versus red team, but I'll just state generically, they
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: set the goalposts right here in their minds. This is
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: what we want. So what they're going to do is
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: they're going to coordinate with their friends across the aisle
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: and to produce some hugely obnoxious to one of the
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: teams proposal, right? So that you fire one side up,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: they go out, they're marching, they've got their pickets, they're
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: doing their thing, they're standing for the thing. And then
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: they reach across the aisle as politicians and they work
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: together and they shake hands and then they move the
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: goalposts here, which provides whatever team in opposition with a
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: moral victory, but they land exactly where they had all
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: agreed ahead of time they were gonna land. You lose
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: your freedoms. incrementally, you lose your autonomy, your access to things.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: They all wink, wink, shake hands behind closed doors. They
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: work with their lobbyists. You know, you've been played. And
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: they get the outcome that they want. But the politician
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: that stood and fought with the people to get this
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: line to concede back to the middle where they all
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: agreed it was going to end up in the first place,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: he's now the champion. Bingo. You can see this every hour. Yep.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Some really, really devastating and frustrating examples of this was
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the COVID vaccine.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Do you remember the narrative surrounding the COVID vaccine? This
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: was just standard status quo messaging coming from every mainstream
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: media echo chamber and all of the government approved doctors
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: that were talking about it. It prevents the virus. This
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: is how we're going to defeat this pandemic. It prevents
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the virus. And then after people started getting it, well,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: it doesn't prevent, but it helps lower the possibility of
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: getting it. Well, it does lower, then they move the
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: goalposts again. It lowers transmission. So it's not really that
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: you can't get it, but it lowers the likelihood that
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: you'll pass it to somebody.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Else.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: So Gramox, they keep repackaging what this thing is for.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: And then eventually it's, well, it doesn't necessarily lower the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: possibility of transmission, but so you'll get it. But what
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: it does is it works on behalf of your immunity
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: and it lowers the side effects. Do you see what
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: we just did? And then eventually, well, it doesn't necessarily
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: lower the side effects, but it shortens the duration. And
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: you go back like, wait a minute, what happened to
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: six weeks ago where it prevents? And now we're all
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: the way through six other realizations. But by this time,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: you know, man, the people that did it, did it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: And the ones that didn't did it. And they've all
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: kind of had their cat fight over it. And it's
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: just normal now. And now we live in a planet
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: where people are still getting boosted. And nobody anywhere is
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: talking about any of this. you know, the passing around
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: of glycoproteins and a bunch of stuff that, you know,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: standard doctors in this country would say, Joe Horn is
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: wearing a tinfoil hat to have subscribed to, but I digress.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: It's the normalization of what to me is just unimaginable
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: relationship dynamics between adults and children. So we used to
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: have a word that we could drop on social media
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: at any time because it was normal. Now I can't
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: even say the word that starts with P-E-D-O.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Because immediately whatever platform will Instantly disengage the video, shadow ban, delete, remove, suspend, warn, strike.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: But again, the proposition is 10 years ago, 15 years ago,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: would have adults heard, hey, this 47-year-old man is now
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: having a love dynamic relationship with a 10-year-old. Would that
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: have flown? Think about let's go back to my father's generation. No,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: my word. Nope. No, we're talking.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: You can't say on family TV what would have happened.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, because I was going to try to
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: be generic in my description of what happens. Fast forward 20,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: 30 years, and now you've got some society that's kind
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: of pushing back at times when it pops up, but
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: mostly now it's just kind of normal. People just accept
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: that there are lobbyists and political groups that are trying
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to normalize this through school education system They're repackaging it
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: as maps, minor attracted persons. And we're going to try
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: to understand the psychology of what drives a person to
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: find attractive somebody under legal age of consent, right? This
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: is love. Love is love, and it wants what it wants.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: And I'll go a step further. A child that is
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: experiencing love for the first time with an adult, at
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: least that's a safe place where someone mature... can walk
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: them through the different phases of love and understand emotionally,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: what are we going through? What are we experiencing? How
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: did that make you feel? Let's talk. Let's talk feelings.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: And I'm just telling you, to me, this is evil
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: being considered good. This is beginning to be considered evil.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: And how did we get there? Apparently, foot in the door,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: door in the face. I would have called it the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: moving of the goalposts. And I learned something else today. Apparently,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: foot in the door is not a brand new social
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: media phenomenon. Apparently, they've been using that for decades. And
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: some of you are like, Joe, how did you not
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: know that term? But let's not forget the Epstein files, right?
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: People care it's fever pitch. They play a bunch of judo.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: They move the goalposts. And now it's like if you
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: say the Epstein files, people say, well, you know, I
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: don't know. Who's to even say? Who's to even say
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: after all the evidence that was produced? I don't know.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: And so it's been politicized. The death of Charlie Kirk. Mm-hmm.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: You know, one year ago, it has the whole nation arrested,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: and there's this vitriolic fight online about whose fault, and
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: they're framing the kid, or it's not the kid, or, oh,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: who was the shooter? No, it's a government conspiracy, blah, blah, blah.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: People get so busy with the dance around political narratives
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: that they forget the right and wrong of a man's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: life was taken at a live event.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Why are we dancing on his memory immediately over political,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: ideological differences? People being very hateful to his wife that
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: don't know what they're talking about. You're not there. You
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: don't know these people. But then you have all these
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: devotees that want to weigh in like they know something.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: And like right and wrong, culture today can't define a
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: black and white right and wrong. It's all based on
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: feelings and levels of outrage against the political party that
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: you don't align with. We're like being puppeted. You can
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: see that, right?
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Part of that is actually comes down to
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: postmodernism because your truth is not my truth and everybody
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: has their own truth and let's talk about our truth
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: and it's all subjective. There is no absolute truth anymore.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Like Joe, when you and I grew up, there was
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: an absolute truth. The sky is blue. That flag over
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: there is red, white, and blue. Like everything was an
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: absolute truth, and we just knew where we fell in that.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: People could have their own ideological ideas and differ in
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: matters of morality, but there were things that were absolute truth.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: And nobody had to cross that line. You know, you
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: mentioned Epstein. Here's another flash in the pan that was
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: kind of forgotten overnight. There was a movie that came
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: out on Netflix a couple of years ago, a number
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: of years ago, And it involved the storyline of a
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: very young girl who got very scantily clad and involved
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: dance moves. She became a hard-run dance troupe. And she
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: participated in dances that even though she was wearing barely anything, clothes,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: air quotes if you're listening, she was not hardly wearing anything.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: And this little girl was about 12, somewhere 12, 13-ish.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: And she was doing extremely adult dancing, the kind you
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: would find in an adult club where the women are
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: on the sign outside. And this just blew up and
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: it made everybody mad for like all of about 13
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: and a half minutes. But then our sister Allie and
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I were writing a book at the time and we
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: were dealing with this movie. And I remember one thing.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: She was like, It's such a bad film. I don't understand,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: you know, but why is it so bad? It's not
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: just that she's dancing. There's something else about it. I
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: watched it for research purposes, and I said, Allie, here's
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: what's wrong with that movie. The psychological grooming tactic that
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: they're using here, it's not just about the dance moves.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Everybody online, all of the comments, everybody, they want to
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: talk about, well, the moves are not that bad. No,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the moves are really bad. Everybody wanted to talk about
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: the dance moves. Put the dance moves aside for a minute.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: The biggest issue with that movie is that at the
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: end of the day, after this girl has completely exploited
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: herself and sold everything that was pure about her for
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the sake of the wrong kind of attention, she says
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: a prayer in her room and she's fine. The movie
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: ends with her being okay. It says to the viewer...
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Kids will dabble, kids will do adult things, but at
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, they'll be okay. They'll sort
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: out their own truth in this post-modernistic society. It's all grooming.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: We are all being normatized daily to this. There was
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: a day about 15 years ago that it was being dabbled,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: foot in the door, being dabbled in news circles that
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: a lab is about to start growing meat. They're going
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: to take the DNA of a cow and they're going
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: to make beef out of it. And nothing has to
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: be slaughtered. And originally it was, oh, it's going to
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: be great. Like the vegetarians are going to love this.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: It's going to be healthier for you because it's not
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: going to have all the things that it could, you know,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the dirt or whatever that comes from them off of
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: the field. It's going to be great. We're doing this thing.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: It's going to be great. And it was just a
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: little dabble. It was a foot in the door. And
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: everybody reacted to not in my town. I ain't putting
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: that in my body. That is disgusting. And then the
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: next thing. which again, oligarchy, remember the oligarchy, a different company, again,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: air quotes if you're listening, came out and said, by
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: the way, the food trajectory, we are running out of
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: food animals. Our crops are going down. We cannot keep
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: up with the increase of human population. We are about
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: to starve to death. We've probably got about 20 years
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: before we need to start figuring out how are we
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: gonna get a lot more farmers on these lands? We're
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: going to starve. So just prepare yourselves. We're running out
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: of meat, guys. This was a different company. It was
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: the same oligarchy. The same people put out both stories. Then,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: less than a week later, after everybody in this small
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: area of the world was freaking out that we're going
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: to run out of food and we are going to starve,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: the same lab that started this came out and said,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: how do you think about lab meat now? And everybody went, oh, oh, phew.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: You know what? I wouldn't have accepted it a couple
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: of weeks ago, but now at least we won't starve.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: So Evaluate the proposal. Listen to this, people. Evaluate the proposal,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: the final proposal against your original values and the actual
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: consequences of them, not just against the worst alternative that
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: you were just presented with, right? It's a psychological grooming tactic.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I would rather die than fill in the blank. And
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: then a year later, well, I don't know. Everybody's doing it.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: It's fine.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: No.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: The next time somebody presents you with a demand, a compromise,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: a change that you are being asked to accept, ask
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: yourself this question. What did I believe about this before
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: they started moving the goalposts? And then take that as
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: your moral stance that you compare against. And the Bible
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: also says, Proverbs 14, 15, this is NLT. Only simpletons
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: believe everything they're told. The prudent carefully consider their steps.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: The prudent carefully consider, what did I think about this before?
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: So even the Bible endorses that kind of commitment to truth.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: No, I hear you, Donna. And here's the thing. I
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: am so skeptical. Here comes my tinfoil hat again. But
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I'm watching some of these large scale meat recalls right now.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: And even those I'm thinking, well, that could be legitimate.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Might be an honest to goodness, bacterial overload or infection
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: taking place within the meat or something. But I'm also thinking, yeah,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: but maybe that's also to get us ready for lab meat.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I, I am so cynical at this point
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: with what I'm reading and what I'm hearing. I think
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: everything is some part of a game. I'm up to
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the point now where almost every bit of media that
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: comes out, I'm like, yeah, but wait a minute. The
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: headline was designed to have an impact. So let's step
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: back and see, is there any way to tell what
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: is factual in this? And then let me make up
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: my own mind about it. Because everything is presented with
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: a spin and a narrative in order to march us
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: toward ultimately what politicians want to be aimed at or
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: what they want to see in culture in order to
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: march us toward the Orwellian world that they're building. Right. Well,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: if my father were alive today, I think he would
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: be impressed with how many of his prophecies have already
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: come to pass.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we're all out of time today. Did you guys
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: learn something?
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: No.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Practice discernment. The best source for discernment is the Holy Spirit.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: So petition the Lord today. Lord, make me see this
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: for what it is, not for what they want me
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: to see it as. Does that make sense?
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, amen.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: For everybody here in studio, Donna and Jamie, thank you
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: so much for being here this week. I'm Joe Artis-Horne.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Keep your eyes on the prize, which is Jesus Christ.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: We'll be back.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Thank you.