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Where Did Singapore’s Love For Horror Come From? (w Eugene Toh) · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: And I'll never forget that was the first time I think.
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  Speaker 1: I saw a sort of a pochong and it never
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  Speaker 1: really occurred to me it was a pochong.
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  Speaker 1: My name is ET.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Fa. My name is Wayne. My name
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  Speaker 2: is Kyle, and this is Tales from Incredible Tales. Inspired
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  Speaker 2: by the classic horror series, we explore Southeast Asia's supernatural culture.
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  Speaker 2: Our guest for this evening is Eugene Toh, better known
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  Speaker 2: as ET. ET is the co-host of Radio Paranormal Singapore.
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  Speaker 2: RPS details, discusses and dissects true paranormal encounters and ghost stories,
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  Speaker 2: providing reasonable and conventional explanations to the most
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  Speaker 2: Extraordinary experiences where possible. Eti, welcome back,
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  Speaker 1: man. Glad to be back, man, guys.
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  Speaker 2: How's.
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  Speaker 2: How's the
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  Speaker 1: updated set? Nice, very nice. I mean, it's getting better
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  Speaker 1: and better, right?
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  Speaker 2: You gotta ask this of all the guests, right? I
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  Speaker 2: have to ask. I have to ask,
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  Speaker 1: but you feel safe like if that's why you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to ask.
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  Speaker 2: That's a, that's a, yeah, OK, OK, no, no weird
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  Speaker 2: feelings when you walk
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  Speaker 1: in, right? That's why I didn't have to bring my
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  Speaker 1: EMF meter.
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  Speaker 2: I, I
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  Speaker 2: thought you are, you are the EMF meter. Can I,
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  Speaker 2: can I just say I'm a little bit disappointed you've
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  Speaker 2: never brought the EMF meter for
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  Speaker 2: us.
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  Speaker 1: That's true, because now I pass it to Sham. You see,
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  Speaker 1: now I do podcast. I do do investigation. Ah, at
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  Speaker 1: 11 o'clock I sleep already. I told you already.
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  Speaker 2: That's true.
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  Speaker 2: I, I can completely understand the sleeping at 11 o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: In this episode, we wanted to discuss the history of
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  Speaker 2: the supernatural in Singapore, from the first recorded sightings to
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  Speaker 2: the changing attitude towards creatures and spirits, which makes ET
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  Speaker 2: the perfect guest to join us. This episode was inspired
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  Speaker 2: by the classic Incredible Tales episode, The Fault Factory. It's
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  Speaker 2: hard to pinpoint when exactly the supernatural became a part
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  Speaker 2: of Singapore. In an article on
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  Speaker 2: A shadow, Ng Yi Sheng wrote, quote, in 1819, shortly
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  Speaker 2: after Singapore was established as a British trading post, Stamford
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  Speaker 2: Raffles called for an expedition to climb Fort Canning Hill,
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  Speaker 2: then called Bukit Larangan, which means the forbidden hill in Malay.
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  Speaker 2: When the Temenggonng's men warned him that none of us
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  Speaker 2: have the courage to go up that hill because there
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  Speaker 2: are so many ghosts on it.
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  Speaker 2: Every day one can hear on it sounds as of
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of men. Sometimes one hears the sound of heavy
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  Speaker 2: drums and of people shouting. Raffles was reported to have scoffed, saying,
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  Speaker 2: I should like to see your ghosts. End quote. Eti,
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  Speaker 2: in your research, what was the earliest recorded account of
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  Speaker 2: the supernatural in Singapore?
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  Speaker 1: I think it goes for the longest time because I
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  Speaker 1: mean it starts off with all the old wives. So
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  Speaker 1: sometimes when we talk about paranormal.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to ascertain if it's really a ghost or not.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's your self-fear which is what I always share. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in the past, right, OK, now your mom knows, OK,
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  Speaker 1: using too much screen time, I can block your screen time,
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  Speaker 1: then you need to come home, right?
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  Speaker 1: In the past, how do they control kids? You come
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  Speaker 1: back after a certain time, ah, the more more call
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  Speaker 1: will come and grab you and everything.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. You always mention that 67, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so, um, for the longest time when I was, I
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  Speaker 1: remember when I was a kid, so
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  Speaker 1: My grandma used to tell me, she would make sure
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  Speaker 1: my mom is not around because my mom makes sure
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  Speaker 1: my grandma don't tell us ghost stories and I cannot sleep, right?
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  Speaker 1: So whose problem it's not my grandma, it's my mom
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  Speaker 1: trying to make me sleep.
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  Speaker 1: So she would tell me stories of what she saw
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  Speaker 1: and everything in the kampong days. So
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  Speaker 1: I mean, those were the early accounts, but I can't
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  Speaker 1: really go there and investigate at that point in time
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  Speaker 1: when I was a kid. So that's what started my
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  Speaker 1: intrigue into all these things. Also, the very fact was,
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  Speaker 1: I used to think I had a mental disorder because
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  Speaker 1: I used to hear voices calling me. And then the
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  Speaker 1: interesting thing about the, I don't think I've ever shared this,
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  Speaker 1: it suddenly just came to me, but um the voices.
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  Speaker 1: are not that of normal language. It's a gibberish. And
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  Speaker 1: it's not just one voice, it's multiple voices and it
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  Speaker 1: gets louder and louder and louder and then my mind
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  Speaker 1: just goes blank.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes I hear my name being called as well.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like in the car, right, with my parents, like,
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  Speaker 1: Mommy call me. No. Then I realized, he actually think
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  Speaker 1: about it, that wasn't my mom's voice. So then that
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  Speaker 1: I think kind of spurred me. Now y'all can Google lah.
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  Speaker 1: In the past I must go to my primary school library,
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  Speaker 1: go and borrow books, but obviously primary school library were
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  Speaker 1: restricted to what you could read. But there were things
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  Speaker 1: about not so much ghosts, but supernatural things like the Yeti, Bigfoot, UFO.
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  Speaker 1: And, and then I think everything just fell into place.
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  Speaker 1: My science teacher.
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  Speaker 1: He had a huge passion for the paranormal as well.
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  Speaker 1: So he teach us everything quickly say, oh, make sure
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  Speaker 1: all this. Then later I'll show you a video.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, sorry, your science teacher likes paranormal.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I clearly rubbed off on ET he uses science but
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  Speaker 2: also like
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  Speaker 1: so, so this was secondary school, not primary school, secondary school.
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  Speaker 1: So then, you know, last time the TV was like
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  Speaker 1: in the, right? So the teacher teach, can y'all do
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  Speaker 1: your things properly, and then we will, I'll show you
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  Speaker 1: all clips, I think.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe watch a cartoon. I'll never forget the first clip
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  Speaker 1: was a fireball, an op or fireball flying around.
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  Speaker 1: And then there was videos on UFO and stuff like
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  Speaker 1: that and at that point in time is all the,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the what do you call it VC VHS, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So then you will rewind certain part then you see
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  Speaker 1: this then.
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  Speaker 1: That got me really interested. And then, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: everything fell into place. When I was in secondary school,
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  Speaker 1: it was the first season of The X-Files. Then that
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  Speaker 1: became like my religion. So then I think that's what
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  Speaker 1: got me really intrigued and I really chased my passion,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm the kind of guy that if I do something,
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  Speaker 1: I don't do it halfway, I just go all the way.
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  Speaker 1: So I borrowed every single book I could to read
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  Speaker 1: everything about the paranormal and, and, and that's why Russell
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  Speaker 1: Lee also came around that time or maybe earlier. So
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  Speaker 1: it's even
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  Speaker 1: It's just everything came together lah. Yeah, and it was
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  Speaker 1: like a perfect stew lah
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  Speaker 2: yeah
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  Speaker 1: for paranormal.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting that you bring that up as well. I
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  Speaker 2: get the sense that like you said, it's so hard
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  Speaker 2: to pinpoint when exactly the first recorded instances, but everybody
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  Speaker 2: has their own personal history with the supernatural in Singapore.
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  Speaker 2: So it it it feels more like not so much
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  Speaker 2: a collective understanding of, oh, when was the supernatural started
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  Speaker 2: in Singapore, it's more like, oh when did it start
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  Speaker 2: for you in that sense.
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  Speaker 1: Did it start for Singaporeans to just listen and share
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  Speaker 1: folklore to actually try and understand
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  Speaker 1: If this folklore could be explained by science. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: I think that question maybe it's more interesting that when
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  Speaker 1: do we start because I think that started around the 2000s. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's where
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was supposed to do a school project that
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  Speaker 1: time I think of Google, then I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: I decided to type.
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  Speaker 1: Um, paranormal investigators in Asia. So then there was a
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  Speaker 1: few guys that wrote, I mean, then it came upon
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  Speaker 1: a forum, you know, last time bulletin board forum, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's how, that's how ancient I am aging.
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  Speaker 1: So, I wrote in, I actually wrote in my entire
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  Speaker 1: resume because they were looking for like-minded people to do
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  Speaker 1: paranormal investigation. I wrote in my entire resume of what
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  Speaker 1: I know, all the different cryptoids that I understood and
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  Speaker 1: I researched on and I read, and then they were like, OK, come,
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  Speaker 1: let's meet.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought maybe you know meet at Block 85
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  Speaker 1: Kopitia or something like that. Say, oh no, let's meet
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  Speaker 1: at the Boyani Cemetery which is at Lucky Heights. It's
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  Speaker 2: still
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  Speaker 1: there. It's still there. It's still there, yeah. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: oh, OK, Bedok South. OK, OK, OK, the one, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I went there. I was like, OK. Then these
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  Speaker 1: guys were like, OK, inside. OK, come, let's go. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, huh, I thought, no, like let's chit chat
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  Speaker 1: then just full on went inside. Now I was like.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you like that? And I'll never forget that
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  Speaker 1: was the first time I think.
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  Speaker 1: I saw a sort of a pochong and it never
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  Speaker 1: really occurred to me it was a pochong because
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  Speaker 1: I usually don't believe in this kind of thing lah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't usually see, but it was a translucent
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  Speaker 1: somewhat like Casper the hungry ghost, sorry, Casper the friendly ghost.
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  Speaker 1: I hungry ghost lunch lunchtime lah, sorry. So but it
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  Speaker 1: was very tall, it was at least AA normal human
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  Speaker 1: height just by a tree, and I saw it from
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  Speaker 1: the corner of my eye. So I went to this guy, then, uh,
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  Speaker 1: he was the, at that point in time, he was
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  Speaker 1: the founder and president of SBI. His nickname was Kenny.
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  Speaker 1: I said, hey, Kenny, uh, I saw something there, what
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  Speaker 1: should I do?
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  Speaker 1: Because I also a big kanjong lah, he said, OK,
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  Speaker 1: you pray. Then I thought, OK, pray. No, don't, don't disturb.
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  Speaker 1: He said, OK, pray for it to actually appear towards
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  Speaker 1: me right in front of my face so that I
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  Speaker 1: can communicate to him. Then I was like,
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  Speaker 2: What? It's full of gila hardcore, man.
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  Speaker 1: So that was my first brush with, uh, SPI. And then, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: then I guess it started from there. I never looked back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so your first experience was to see a poong
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  Speaker 2: in a Boyani cemetery. OK,
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  Speaker 1: so being the ET now, right, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: I saw, but it was difficult to explain by science.
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  Speaker 1: It can't be a miss on it because it was
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  Speaker 1: a very obvious shape.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, that's what I heard, you know, when people
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  Speaker 2: say they see something, usually it's not really like a
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  Speaker 2: solid figure. It's like, like you said, like it's a Casper.
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  Speaker 2: The friendly girls that translucent. I remember one of my
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  Speaker 2: earlier sightings of the spirit is, uh, it was quite,
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  Speaker 2: it was, it was quite lucid. I was walking back
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  Speaker 2: after school and then, you know, like when you kind
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  Speaker 2: of see something but not, you're not sure. So at
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  Speaker 2: very at the very far end of the shelter, I
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  Speaker 2: saw a person standing there very still, but then my
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  Speaker 2: instinct was telling me that this is not right.
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  Speaker 2: There's something wrong. So I walked the other path. Then
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  Speaker 2: when I turned back, I looked at the thing. It
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  Speaker 2: was still there. It was a person just looking straight
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  Speaker 2: and not moving. And then when I knew it was
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  Speaker 2: a spirit was when two people actually walked through it.
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  Speaker 2: So it's kind of like that, it's like not really
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  Speaker 2: fully of this world. You can tell that it's not,
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  Speaker 2: it's not solid, it's not physical, something spiritual, and immediately
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  Speaker 2: I ran. So yeah. Have you seen any ghosts?
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  Speaker 2: He's just trying to share. I don't know what you're
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  Speaker 2: talking about. No, I do not. Have you seen any ghosts?
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  Speaker 2: Have you? I don't think so. I don't recall. You've
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  Speaker 2: done so much in between these two seasons. That's the
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  Speaker 2: thing I'm glad I can't see. At least I'm not
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  Speaker 2: that scared. If I were to see, I think I
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  Speaker 2: would just like, do you think I don't think you'll
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  Speaker 2: be scared. I think I'll be scared.
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  Speaker 2: ghosts? Sounds sounds maybe like people talking to you, talking
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  Speaker 2: to me like, like when you're like maybe you're doing
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  Speaker 2: your horror show, right, then you hear another voice. Has
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  Speaker 2: that happened to you before? It's not like I like
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  Speaker 2: I like I don't know how to explain that gibberish.
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  Speaker 2: So like sometimes like when I because I I I
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  Speaker 2: do my job like concurrent with TikTok, right.
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  Speaker 2: So sometimes like I have to take off my headphones, like,
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  Speaker 2: do you guys hear that? And sometimes I don't know
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  Speaker 2: maybe the viewer also like try to call me or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: but you are I'm forever.
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  Speaker 2: But, but yeah, I'm always alone in the country, right?
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  Speaker 2: So you're talking to talking to my listeners, sharing stories, right?
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes I will hear, you know, extra like just
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  Speaker 2: very short while, like something like that. I would ask them,
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  Speaker 2: do you guys hear that? And I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: they want, they're trying to con me or not, but some,
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  Speaker 2: some say they hear, some say they never hear, so
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  Speaker 2: I don't know lah. The, the gibberish phenomenon is, is
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  Speaker 2: I also got it before from in certain, uh, like, uh, beliefs, right.
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  Speaker 2: They they're saying that actually, humans are not supposed to
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  Speaker 2: understand spirits. They're talking gibberish, but
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  Speaker 2: This is not confirmed, but in certain beliefs they, they
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  Speaker 2: say that by eating mud.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, eating much, then you can, yeah, from the cemetery,
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  Speaker 2: then you can communicate with the spirit and you can
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  Speaker 2: understand what they're saying, beliefs from the cemetery, then you
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  Speaker 2: can talk to them because, yeah, because exactly
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  Speaker 1: because you take it, you probably get high.
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  Speaker 2: You get sick first. Ah, please don't try this at home.
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  Speaker 2: Please don't try this. This is not advice, but, but,
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  Speaker 2: but that's what I heard. But the gibberish thing is real. Like,
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  Speaker 2: like then whoever is doing horror podcast or like horror narrative, right,
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  Speaker 2: go eat mud at cemetery.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's good what you can communicate means.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to try it for yourself? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if the price is right, the price is
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  Speaker 2: right,
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  Speaker 1: the next day you might be communicating with the doctor
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  Speaker 1: and the nurse.
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  Speaker 2: What spirit is this invite? I am your doctor. No,
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  Speaker 2: but I, I wanna go back to that when you
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  Speaker 2: said that you used to hear voices speaking to you
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  Speaker 2: in gibberish. Did, do you have a theory on what
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  Speaker 2: that could have been? or
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  Speaker 1: I honestly have no idea, but the only other time
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  Speaker 1: that I heard the exact same sound, which now I,
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  Speaker 1: I cannot recall, it was a series on Channel 5
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  Speaker 1: or Channel 8. It was about Supernatural.
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  Speaker 1: And then when they go to the advertisements, it was
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  Speaker 1: the exact same song. When I heard it right, the
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  Speaker 1: the hair at the back of my neck stood out
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  Speaker 1: because it reminded me of my younger days.
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  Speaker 2: As in the commercial,
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: you know, before they, you know, when, when they have
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  Speaker 1: a drama series, right before they go into the commercials,
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  Speaker 1: then there's usually a short snippet. It was the exact
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  Speaker 1: same sound, man.
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  Speaker 2: Hoffman's Ghost Story, the Pontiana films of the 50s, Russell
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  Speaker 2: Lee's Singapore True Ghost Stories, more modern movies like Kelvin
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  Speaker 2: Tong's The Maid and even Incredible Tales. How much do
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  Speaker 2: you think pop culture has played a part in keeping
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  Speaker 2: the supernatural alive over the decades?
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  Speaker 2: If we didn't have our own horror movies, books, and shows,
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  Speaker 2: do you think the oral tradition of ghost stories would
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  Speaker 2: have been enough? At
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, right, humans are tangible beings.
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  Speaker 1: Just stories alone, it just leaves you out to imagination.
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  Speaker 1: So imagine your grandma telling a story to the four
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  Speaker 1: of us.
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  Speaker 1: Our perception of Pun Tiana is very different.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe, maybe for him, larger top, I don't know. The
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  Speaker 1: others a bit longer hair, so, um.
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  Speaker 1: With movies, right, suddenly everything becomes reality to a developing mind.
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  Speaker 1: You've never seen this in your life.
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  Speaker 1: So then all of a sudden, it ascertains, ah, this
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  Speaker 1: was what I read, this confirms is what I saw.
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  Speaker 1: So then that kind of further reinforces um that supernatural belief.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, really, I mean, I learned this when I
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  Speaker 1: used to conduct tours for SPI um.
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  Speaker 1: The problem was I was a boring person, right? So
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  Speaker 1: I will go to uh Old Changi Hospital, it's just
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  Speaker 1: the EMF and everything, and then there was this group
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  Speaker 1: of uh society of tour guides, and she said, Eugene.
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  Speaker 1: Or ET.
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  Speaker 1: People come here to get scared, no.
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  Speaker 1: Not to know the truth, then I realized, OK, so
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  Speaker 1: that is what
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  Speaker 1: That's why there's so many horror fans. As much as
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: they are scared, right? Like you say, maybe if you
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  Speaker 1: see something by scared, but, we all want to believe,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why the X-Files was so successful because of
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  Speaker 1: that line, I want to believe of what Mulder is
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  Speaker 1: and Scully being the other logical side of us humans. So,
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  Speaker 1: all these stories and movies.
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  Speaker 1: It gives you, it makes you that judge. Is it science?
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  Speaker 1: Is it really a hantu? But yeah, I want to
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  Speaker 1: believe too. So there are days that you really want
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  Speaker 1: to believe, but the days when you're really scared, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I hope it's not. So I think it's that.
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  Speaker 1: Um, question mark that leaves people so intrigued and, and
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  Speaker 1: that's how all these movies just get people to keep
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  Speaker 1: going even though they know they can't sleep for the night.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: so you, you, you eat spice, it's spicy, painful, but
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: you still want to go for it because there's excitement
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: in your life. I feel like, uh, 11 of the
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: other things about the other traits about horror lovers, right,
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: is that we have some level of emotion.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: No privilege. Emotional privilege, like, you know, you, you have
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: a decent life, so your life is not that bad lah.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: So then you want to go and seek through. If,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: if your life is not great, why would you want
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: to go and find Kantu, right? Correct, correct, correct.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I beg to differ. Some people do that because they
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: feel that going to the paranormal, it can offer them
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: an alternative, better life, and that's why the supernatural will never,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: or at least.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: The the love for supernatural will never die away because
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: people always wonder what is that? And I want to know,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: but I don't want to know, but maybe it can
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: help me, maybe it doesn't because of this, it's, it's
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: not physical, right? Yeah, so that that's why I think
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Even whether someone is down or not, the supernatural will
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: obviously be there because it's
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: that
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: belief.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I want to ask all three of you, right,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: if you, if one day, one day you find out
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: that ghosts don't exist,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: How would you feel?
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: But there's actual proof that there's no such thing as ghosts, um.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Again, I think this is uh it's all like based
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: on your beliefs lah, but in my, I would say
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: in my religion lah, we have to believe that there
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: are such thing uh you know, we we call it
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: jinn lah. Jinn is basically like it's a ghost lah, right,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: a jinn ghost, you know, so they were like shape
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: shift into something that you are scared of, you know,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: and I actually I had this conversation.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, sometimes, like for us Malay people, we
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: usually see like Pochong, Pontiana, right, um, and then like
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: if you were to go to like a Eurasian man
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: maybe they will see like vampires and whatnot, you understand
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: what I mean? You can do but it's, yeah, so
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: basically they will shape shift into your field. So I
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: mean like in my scripture, we are, you know, we
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: have to believe it's there, so yeah, I like.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Is there, OK, I just want to correct you and
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: say that, uh, Eurasians, our, our greatest fear is not vampires. No, our, our,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: our greatest fear is us cooking curry devil and then
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: everybody else doesn't like it, or your mother's better. That is, that,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: that is our ghost, um.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man. I, I don't. This is a
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: weird thing to say. I don't think the human brain
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: can comprehend a world where we have exact proof that
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: ghosts don't exist. I think that if science one day,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: like every scientist in the world, is like, OK, we're
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: gonna dedicate our lives to proving that the supernatural does
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: not exist, and then they all come up for a
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: press conference one day and go, OK, we have solid proof.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Here it is. Here's our charts. Here's our graphs. The
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: ghosts do not exist. I think that the moment they
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: say that.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Humanity will start inventing more ghosts.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Like immediately I was like, oh, OK, so you say
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: it can't just like this, but what about like this?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: What about like this? I don't think we're capable as
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: a culture on a whole. I know that some people
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: just don't believe in ghosts, but like as humanity on
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: a whole, we will find a way to make up
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: ghosts because we like ghosts. Yeah, like the idea of
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: the unknown. I, I think that and it goes back
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: to what you were saying also like, you know, sometimes it's,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: it's the better alternative to your life. So you can
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: think to yourself like
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: OK, yes, maybe I've been screwing up with like my
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: last 5 girlfriends. Is it me? No, it's the ghosts.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: The ghosts have been ruining my relationship, something like that.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: So like it's, it's a preferential, no pun intended or unintentional, like,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: you know, choice of words, but it's, it's a preferential
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: boogeyman to the reality of your world, and I think
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: human beings just, OK, lah, this one the writer and
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: me talking like human beings just like to come up
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: with stories, so you can.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Put all the facts in front of us. I give
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: it 5 days tops. We'll have a whole new breed
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: of ghosts coming up.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: What about you?
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: That is something that I've always played around my mind, um,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: which is why I always like to cite, uh, in
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: the past, an example, um, how we always, or at
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: least men used to think that the sun was God,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: but because we couldn't really understand. So is ghost exactly
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: what we think it is? Is it a humanoid form?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: So, I wouldn't be surprised if there's no such thing
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: as ghosts. But if there's something paranormal or energy force
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that we cannot explain.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Um, I think that's definitely around, and I don't think
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: that can be denied because it's just that we haven't
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: got there. So, although they, like, I would agree that
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: they may not be ghosts, but I would never ever
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: believe that there's something that we cannot explain, and it's
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: just that we need to go further depth into research,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: uh uh uh to understand what these energy forms are.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: So my perspective is that I will be very depressed.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I would say half of my career based on the
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: idea of ghost stories. Very typical of me. First thing
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I think about my wallet.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Uh, no, lah, but also as a horror lover, I
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: think the day, you know, when the, the, the big
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: government come and tell us that, oh, there's no such
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: thing as ghost. I'll be very depressed. I'll be like,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I want to believe that's the ideal world, that's what
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: makes listening to ghost stories on a rainy day, dark
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: evening feels very, you know, very shook very cozy. Then
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: now you take that away from me.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: For me, I don't have a point of enjoyment anymore
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: because the whole point like we all discussed in this episode,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: is the idea that it could be real. I think like, uh,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: like many horror people that are there, my, my theory
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: is that they are more closer to alien life form than,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: than um actual spirits lah. Yeah, there are many things
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: on this earth that has been yet discovered actually.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, you know, we're talking about dimensions and everything.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: If you all remember Men in Black, the first movie.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: At the end of it, the ending, after the ending credits,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: then they showed how tiny the earth was and the
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: earth was part of a universe and then our solar
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: system was just a little marble that I think dragons
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: or dinosaurs were playing. So, sometimes we don't really understand
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the full extent of how dimension and and the space
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: that we are in. And I think that's why
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: We still haven't solved what all these supernatural entities are.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Do you think we will ever solve it?
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: And that's why I'm still around because in my life,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: that was my goal when I was in, I think,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: sec early secondary school. I said, in my lifetime before
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I die, I hope to be able to solve one
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: part of the supernatural jigsaw, if I can. And even
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: that small contribution will mean a lot to me because
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: then that gets passed on to the next generations that
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: could eventually, hopefully find something and explain it, yeah.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, cool. OK, so moving on a little bit. These days,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: you could argue that the supernatural has become more socially
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: accepted in Singapore than ever before. You know, you look
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: beyond movies, there's also books and shows, and you look
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: beyond those, now you get to see ghost tours getting
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: their own articles in the local papers and Halloween events
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: at Hopper Villa and even Universal Studios.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: What do you think has been responsible for the Supernatural's
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: even more mainstream appeal in our country?
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: People just like to get scared, right? Um, you go what,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Universal Studios and everything, you know you're gonna get a
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: heart attack there, but you are willing to pay what,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: 60 bucks, 80 bucks to get a heart attack. So
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: because of that, that, that fun and fear factor, it's
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: just like taking a roller coaster. You know, you're gonna
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: be complaining after that, but you still do it. So
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I think it's that, that, that.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: That thrill factor, like, like what Carl was saying about,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: you know, filming all these things that it's a thrill
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: factor lah. If it's not there anymore, then why would
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: anyone want to do it?
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: it's I I think that that factor has always been there,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: you know, the
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying whether I have or have not taken
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: a date to watch a horror movie to get her
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: scared and then hold my arm, but that's kind of
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: been there for a while, and but now we've evolved
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: to like, like you're saying tours and, and Halloween horror
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: nights and everything like that. Why do you think there's
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: that even bigger leap?
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I think because now it's easily accessible and because also
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I would think in the past, I'm not saying that
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: it's legal, but in the past you could nicely stroll
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: into Old Changi Hospital.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: And a few other haunted places, but these places have
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: been redeveloped to a childcare center, um, it's become blocked
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: out with all the cameras and security.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: So then where to find Hantu? So you pay for
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the experience, so that you don't waste your time finding it,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: where can I go here and everything, so yeah, I
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: think it's awesome.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I think the end of the day it's more appealing,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: it's because
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I mean people are gonna hate me for this, but
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: it's business, let's be honest, let's be honest. Your, your
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: TikTok lives, you know, your, your YouTube content, at the
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: end of the day it's just business. So I think
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: when when people crave for it, right, and then when
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: people want it, then when there's demand, there's supplier.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Monetized as opposed to say,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Your family tells you the story and then it's passed
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: down from uncle to nephew
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: to yeah,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: so the sad fact is I I think that's why
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: it's nowadays it's more for content. Um, so I just
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: hope that the community out there um with the passion, right,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: really don't give up, really go investigate it because then that, that,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: that passion continues, you see. Yeah, and I'm sure that
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: one day we will be able to discover stuff that
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: we never knew.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: A, I, I don't know how many generations later, but
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I'm quite certain that we will be able to explain
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: certain things that at this point, we don't have the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: technology to explain.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you think
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: we're closer to that now, considering the, the way technology
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: has been accelerating over the last few years? Do you
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: think we're closer to
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I would think so, but at the same time, um,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: how AI and everything is, it blurs certain investigations or
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: certain facts. Uh and also with the world and humanity problem,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I think more resources are being channeled to, uh, um,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: solving energy issues, uh, climate issues. I don't think people
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: would spend, or governments would spend efforts.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Uh, trying to find out something, but then that being said, uh,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: with the recent release of the UFO files in the US, uh,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: maybe there is some glimmer of hope that we might, uh,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: channel some resources to investigate, not just about hantus and everything,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: but also extraterrestrial beings, because I think they are somewhat connected. So,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask this for the benefit for everybody that's watching.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: So ET.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: It's been a year since you last were on our show, um,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: or anything, you know, special happen or like ghost stories that,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: you know, you might have heard earlier
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: this year.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I think I was very stressed and I was very,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: very tired from work and everything. I actually went into
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: a sleep paralysis and it was so scary because my
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: soul felt like liquid.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: And it just float off the corner of my mattress down.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: And the worst thing is, OK, I've had a few
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: out of body experience, but this was a long time ago.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I haven't had it for like, I don't know, 2020 years,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I felt like I was suffocating and I was gonna die.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: And I really had the feeling that my life was
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: seeping away from me, and I panicked, then I tried
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to remember all my theories and everything because I always
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: share with people that when you have an all-body experience
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: and you're worried, right? Always imagine moving your pinky, your
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: soul is supposed to come back. By that point in time,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I couldn't think of that. And then I panicked, uh,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I couldn't even say a prayer, I couldn't scream. I
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: know my wife was next to me.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: But I couldn't scream and it was a struggle for,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, hours, I think. I don't know what
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: it was, I guess I was really very tired, but
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I also think that it might have been a situation
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: where I might have lost my life. I do not
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: know why. It was hard to explain. It was, it
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: was an experience I've never come across, and I do
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: understand how some people feel when it was a near-death experience.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I think that was what it was.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: you, you were, you said that you were very stressed
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: this was a stressful time and I was tired that day.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: your guard is down because when your guard is down,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: it's easier for them to you and you could be
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: like the misalignment.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you see the thing is like that, right?
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: This is the water flowing down. I had this feeling.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know already. So go different.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like it felt like, like, like I
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: was liquid and then I just started flowing down and dissipating, yeah,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and then half my because next to my bed is
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the wardrobe, right? Like my arm was in the wardrobe
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and then my, my head is outside the wardrobe, and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: it was, yeah, it was, it's a funny feeling.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: How do you like from a scientific standpoint, how do you,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: how do you reason that
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: out?
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: That's why.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: ET is ET. I can explain as much things as possible,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: but there's some things I really have no explanation.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Do you think the supernatural will continue to be a
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: part of Singaporean society, uh, in the future? What are
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: the threats to supernatural culture, if any?
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Honestly, it will definitely lah.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Who doesn't like a good horror story, even the most
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: banalcle of person would still want to listen, right? Just
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: that they were on the light la, on about the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: whole house light, right? And then they, they will start
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: listening to it at about 8:00 a.m., so they got
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: about 12 hours to recover.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: So, I don't think it will ever die down. I
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: think it will go for generations lah because we always
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: like to hear things that we cannot explain.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of things that cannot be explained, uh, I
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: recall this for the first episode of season 3, we
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: were filming in a location in Changi. So we're outside filming,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: then there were 3 of the crew and uh Danny
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: from MediaCorp inside the house. They were just sitting there.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: What could not be explained was really strange. Uh, they
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: told me afterwards, uh, they heard the sound of a
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: chair falling like a tall chair, pump.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Then they obviously went to check lah and there was
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: a chair. Then they found that there was no tall
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: chair in the kitchen. That means
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: like those barstool kind
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: of thing,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: yeah, yeah, they sounded like that, but there were no chairs.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: And then you're like, OK, let's just go back.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the area. So the area that you film,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I do admit that that sometimes that that that things
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: are a bit different, yeah, um.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: But I'm not sure if it's because of portals or
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: because nearby there are, there are, there are staffed with
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: very high levels of electromagnetic fields. There are, there are
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: radar there, there's satellite dishes, uh, so sometimes this affects
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: your mind, that perceiving things which are not there. But
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I do agree that that that place it's a bit
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: funny because I have experienced things there as well.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: This is a fun place.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Alright, this question is for everyone here and those who
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: are watching at home. Uh, Singapore's national flower is the
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Venda Ms. Jokim. Uh, the Asiatic lion is our national animal,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: but what do you think is Singapore's national creature or spirit? Careful,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: this one, this one can start regional regional arguments. I
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: don't care.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: You say Merlion, right? I see that's technically Merlion creature.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: I was about to say that I wanted to go
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: first because I'm like technically it's. No, but that would,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I'm asking a question. I'm not saying it is. That
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: would have been my answer because as you know, yes,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: STB charge you, you know.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not showing the image, so it's fine, but that's the, it's,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: it's technically a crypted. There's a law behind it, and
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: it's very much associated with Singapore, so that would have been,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: that's why I wanted to go first because it feels
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: like a cop out answer for me to go like, oh, Merlian,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Merliyan's my crypted, OK, fair.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I think Merlion, right, if it was an actual creature, right,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: it would be quite terrifying. Like imagine someone climb out
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: with the lion head and the body, but they also
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: quite easy to defeat that because you see, it's like,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: it's like a, a reverse.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Uh, weakness. So cats are scared of water, but fish
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: cannot go out of water. So,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: 67. He's a fish and he's a cat. So technically,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: now what if they reversed it? What if it was
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: the body of a lion but the head of a fish?
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Oh that's that's that's
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: terrifying. So it's just cute.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: It could be a shark with legs.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: OK, OK, I changed my answer. Reverse Merlion. That's the,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: that's the Singaporean creature of choice. What nightmare.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: It's really hard to to ascertain because
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Singapore technically, um, a lot of the hantus and everything
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: come from around the region, uh, so it's hard to
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: say that do we have a national hantu or not? Um,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think we have, honestly, uh, because it all
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: comes from folklore from so long ago that I think,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: and Singapore is not the oldest of country. So folklore
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: gets passed on, so I don't think we have any
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Huntu of origins, lah. Um, but one thing that stands out.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: is a building, a building which I feel that it's
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: very important in any paranormal investigation or research, and that's
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the Old Changi Hospital.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: It is a place that until today, uh, I've had
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: experiences there even with investigation and everything.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: It's just different from any other investigation. The area, the climate,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Atmospheric pressure.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Experiences, sound, acoustics.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: It's just very different from anywhere else, uh, even in
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the world. Uh, I've been for the Edinburgh ghost tour.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Uh, that one was just, um, it's just the, the,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: you know, that the underground tunnel that leads to the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: mortuary in Edinburgh, it just felt very claustrophobic, lack of oxygen.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Old Changi Hospital is very airy.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: So why do you still feel that that feeling that
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: you can't breathe properly because it's not an enclosed area
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: versus the tunnel? I cannot explain. Uh, so yeah, I,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I know it's not part of the answer criteria, but
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I would go, it's an iconic thing, it's Old Changi Hospital.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Maybe between neighborhoods that's about it.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I think for me I don't know when I read
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the question there's only one name that pops in my head,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: let's go the one behind you latana basically. I don't
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: know why. I don't know why. Maybe it's just like
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: with Malaysia la yeah yeah because the thing is like, uh,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: from all the.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Stories that I've read like from my show, right, um,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: mostly it's all ladies, the ghosts are like like ladies
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: are very rarely you hear a guy ghost, you get
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: what I mean so it's like I think they are
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: the ambassador for all the ghosts la.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Safe distancing ambassador technically, yeah, true, because you want to
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: distance from her yeah she will she will represent Singapore,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: she will represent Southeast Asia in the boon United nations wow.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I can see Carl's face like how am I going
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: to edit this part out.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: So for me, right, um, is the uh machi Goropo. Oh,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: that's good because it's like a creep, it's like a
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: creepy pasta, you know, like you grew up, you know,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: early 2000s and maybe in the 1990s you will have
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: this uh RRC ghost story like or if there's a
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: machi selling Goropo.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Uh, door to door, don't open the door because she has,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: you know, some spirits with her, usually two pontanas or something. Oh,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: that's a good answer because I think that's that's quite
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Singapore because it started from like SMS threat. Then it
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: was quite wild. Like if you go way back, right,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: actually it started from Johor. They said, uh, she, she
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: crossed the cost.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: In Singapore passport. I received a message. Please be aware
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: if this, uh, machi come at night, right? Try to
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: sell cropo. Don't open your door. She will curse you,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: then you will die or something. So she just crossed that.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I received a message that she just crossed the border.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: There's some, yeah, some story on that, yeah, and I,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I think why that's such a good answer also is
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: because I've never heard a version of it where it's
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: not an HDB.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always she will come to your flat condo
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: got security guard correct, exactly. Maybe she sell she bribed
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the security guard a cropo.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: No, the shapeshifters one,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: she shift into her partner and then she walked in
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: and fair enough, fair enough. Yeah, but I, I, I
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: think I don't know that terrifies me as a kid. I, I'll,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I'll be watching Incredible tales like on a Thursday 10:00 p.m., right?
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Then when people ring the doorbell, right, then I'll get.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I'll get scared. Then you remember those auntie that sell
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the probiotic drinks. They will ask you to buy. I
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: don't know why they are trying to sell probiotic drinks
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: at 10:00 p.m., but they will ring the doorbell and
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: then I'll get like a huge scared. Then I'll think
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: that it's the krobani. Then I'll switch off all the
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: light that go inside the room.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Now you know how your mother control your cropo cravings.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, subtly, that's what she did, and I, and I
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: think because honestly I've never heard of this cropo. Yeah.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: So what is interesting is that this sounds a lot like, uh,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the Fisherman. I like to fish a lot. It's about
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: this same machi.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: That ask you for fish. So then if you do give,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: you're going to have bountiful catches.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: It's like you
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: need to leave the first fish when you fish, you
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: need to leave the first fish on the ground. It's
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: for the spirits. So the auntie will take the fish.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: The story is like some guy, he went fishing, then
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: he never give, right. Then I think he got a
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: lot of bad luck. He couldn't fish anything.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: For the whole night you need to you need to give,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: then you will get, you will receive. It's like the rule.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Sorry, just one more thing to add and this came
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: from my dad's brother who used to be a fisherman
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: in Singapore very long ago.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Apparently, and I don't know whether it's just here, but
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I think around the world there is, um, so he
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: talks about the sea devil. So when you're fishing, right,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: you will hear a very loud shrill, very high pitch
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: that it doesn't sound human and it comes from all directions.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if this is the same story
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: as the sirens, you know, they also have a certain
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: call when they're nice and when they're evil. So I
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's related.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Um, but it's interesting because we don't hear this often,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: but this was actually an actual account from my dad's
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: brother who was a fisherman, and he hears it quite often.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Apparently he just, he just say his prayer and then
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: they just continued fishing,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: yeah.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: So we're almost done with this episode. So Kyle, please
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: share with us our morbid fact of the day. Our
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: national airlines, Singapore Airlines, installed something called a Corps cupboard
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: in its Airbus A340-500 aircraft in the 2004. According to
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: an article on The Guardian, quote, cabin crew have been
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: instructed to use the locker in the event of a
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: death on a long haul flight, particularly if the aircraft
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: is busy with no free seats on which to lay
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: out the DCs, end quote. So does this mean
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: That prior to 2004, somebody died on the flight. They
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: just leave them in their seat. So I read the research, right,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: the cabin crew actually shared that, uh, before this corpse
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: are covered, right, they actually, yeah, lay the deceased uh
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: on one empty row. They were trying to clear the
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: roller uh of the passengers, but can you imagine, right,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: if
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: It, it's just packed.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Then you have to, you know, sit beside my, but
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: they'll cover it up, lah, but it's quite, no, it
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter if you know he's, it's, I mean like it's,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: it's deceased or he's dead, right, and then you like
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: suddenly the hand like.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: All much.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm, I'm picturing, right, just to make you feel
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: more comfortable, they put like a hat and then some
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: like weekend at Bernie's at the thing, but they, they never, they,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: they usually won't announce. They usually won't announce when there's
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: someone who dece. I'm pretty sure there was one flight,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: something happened that you were. No, but yeah, I was
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: on like I was on then, uh, I think I
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: was sleeping. Then there was an announcement that said that
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: is there any doctors on the plane? Is there any
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: doctors on the plane? It was quite.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: They were quite like not chaotic. They were quite you
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: can tell there was some urgency, urgency in the voice lah.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: And then, then I like, it's so noisy go back
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: to sleep again. Then again, I think they did it
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: 3 times. I don't know what happened. Yeah, so, so
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: maybe something happened. It wasn't on my hour but imagine
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: that if the person is sitting next to you and
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: then the person like dead, you know, know, and like, wow,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: how you can get refund, right.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: I think more important they got aisle seat or window
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: seat because the aisle seat you always have to cross over.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Oh my. Oh yeah, it's like a 12 hour flight.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Oh my days.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Actually, I'm wondering that more. I'm more intrigued with the
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: corpse cupboard. I mean, you know how small and tight
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: spaces it is in the plane. How do they transport
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: the corpse into this cupboard?
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: We don't have an actual photo, but apparently it's kind
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: of like.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: No, I think it's like, uh, on the bottom because when,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: you know, when the body is very heavy, so you
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: have to literally lift it. I don't think it's above,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I think it's below. I think it's like kind of
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: like the same size in terms of length as the
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: cabin overhead. So you open it up then I think
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: you push it in or something. Then I, I believe
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: that the aircraft will have a body bag.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I think that one quite common should have lah, yeah,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: but the rigor mortis and the smell, you'll come in
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: very fast, especially on a plane. Yeah,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: maybe that's why they needed a so-called special cupboard because
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: maybe it's cooler there to keep it a certain temperature maybe,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like a fridge,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: but is
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: there, I don't think there is because this was 2004.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's multi-purpose. They start, uh, the cold drinks inside.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: No no,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: they serve you the Haagen-Dazs ice cream.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: You
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: never know.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Has ice cream. It doesn't matter if, if, if, if,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: when the time comes, right, you really got someone, someone
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: is dead, right, then they can take out the ice cream, right?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Ice cream can melt, it's OK. No, they take out
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: the ice cream, the guys get free, free ice cream.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: So what you are saying is, right, if the, if
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: the airline starts giving you free ice cream, right,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: it's a worrying.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: No, they serve you ice cream before your
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: meal.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Because
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: usually it's after, right? Yeah. So anyway, I was saying
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: that this, this happened in 2004. So this is and
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: the A340 is an older plane. So does that mean
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: that the newer planes don't have it because that doesn't
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: seem to have any research pointing to that. I would
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: think that if they build the newer planes, they will
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: factor that in lah.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I think we're reasonably safe on the newer planes. Yeah,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: OK, OK. But another interesting fact, I mean this I
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: found out because my friend used to do the luggage handling.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Do you know how they refrigerate bodies like coffin and everything?
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: It's also on a normal flight. It's just next to
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: your
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: luggages. They will never say they will never say. But
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: there is a, yeah, this one I know that there
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: is a specific, um, not terminal, like, you know, above
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: in our airport that is known to transport bodies, the
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: bodies back to the countries. They, they don't say that. Yeah,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: so your, your precious luggage could have been like next
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: to a coffin. I mean this kind of thing.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: It's, it's one of those things where you don't have
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: to say it, but everybody, I imagine everybody kind of
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: knows like, yeah, lah, it's probably next to luggage. Like,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: where else you're gonna put it? Yeah, yeah, um, not
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: so morbid fact, uh, last I checked, and this was
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: maybe 1 or 2 years ago, this very show is
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: also an in-flight entertainment for Singapore Airlines. Oh, OK. So
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: thank you, Singapore Airlines. Alright, thank you again, Eti. Thanks
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: for joining us. Thank you.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having you here,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: man. Thank you.
• 45:18
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• 45:34
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• 45:43
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