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Lesley Groff And The Transcript From Her Epstein Related Trip to Congress (Part 3) (7/3/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the Leslie Groff transcript from
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  her interview with Congress, question by Miss Tolan, and then
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  just a few more general questions. How often did you
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  communicate with mister Epstein as his secretary? Answer yes, well,
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  in the beginning, he was absolutely crazy. He did not
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  have email. He would communicate with me probably every fifteen minutes.
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  He would call the office and you know, gimme directives
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  on how we wanted to organize his day. And it
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  was just crazy, a crazy time. It was hard to
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  keep up. It was very challenging, but he would Yeah,
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  he would call every fifteen minutes. Question and how often
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  were you with him in person? Answer? Not very often.
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  He would come into the office. If he was in
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  New York City, he would come into the office for
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  half a day. He really wasn't in the office that much.
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  Question and did you ever have a romantic relationship with
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  mister Epstein? Answer no. Question did you ever have any
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  sexual relationship with mister Epstein? Answer no. Question. Did mister
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  Epstein ever meet any of your family members? Answer? He
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  briefly met my husband when we were at a Mick
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  Jagger concert, but it was literally one second he said hello,
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  and that was it. Question anyone else? Answer no question.
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  When was the last time you communicated with mister Epstein?
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  Answer was probably some time in July of twenty nineteen.
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  Question do you remember the nature of those communications? Answer
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  no question. And when was the last time that you
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  saw him in person? Answer? I don't recall exactly. It
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  was maybe in June of twenty nineteen, but I don't recall.
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  Question And then were you ever abused or assaulted by
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  Jeffrey Epstein? Answer no. Miss Brignac asking the question, now,
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  what was his reaction when you resigned Groth. I didn't
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  speak to him. I told his attorney, Darren Endyke, that
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  I was resigning. Miss Tolan asked him the question, how
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  would you characterize your relationship with miss Maxwell Graf? Purely professional?
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  Mister Higgins jumps in, mister chairman, may I I'm going
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  to ask you a question. I'm going to have you
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  have to leave in a few minutes. You're doing a
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  very composed job. Thank you for being here, Groff, Thank you. Higgins.
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  Regarding the massage, therapist. You've explained your interactions regarding calling
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  them and communicating and arranging. So I have just a
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  couple of questions there, Groff, of course, Higgins. Did the
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  telephone system at the office have caller ID? Groth? I
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  don't recall. I don't think so, Higgins, Okay, Grof, I
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  don't know. It was so long ago. Was there a caller? Id? Higgins?
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  Did you have any way of knowing when you call
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  these ladies that you believed to be a massage therapists?
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  Did you have any way of knowing that you were
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  calling a massage company or a business or was it
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  always a personal phone? Can you shed some light on that, Graf?
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  I believe it was cell phones, Higgins. It was cell phones, Graf.
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  Uh huh, Higgins. So did the massage therapist ever introduce themselves?
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  Did they ever come give a massage to mister Epstein
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  at the office Graf? Never? No, Higgins, Okay, just asking,
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  I don't know, Graf, Yeah, Higgins. Did you ever meet
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  any of them in person? Graf? I did not, Higgins.
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  And did you ever have a conversation with them about
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  their equipment, like how they were transporting their equipment or
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  did you presume that it was a business Graf. I
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  knew that they were to meet at his home, and
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  I believe that he was he was equipped with what
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  he needed. Higgins. I see. And was the massage therapy
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  session timed. Did they say I'm going to do this
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  from two to three because I have another appointment at
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  four or what? Graff? His day was very scheduled, Higgins, No,
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  for the massage therapist. Graf. Yeah, so they would you know,
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  come for thirty minutes or whatever, you know, the time
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  it was usually short Higgins. So that time schedule that
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  you scheduled, like the window that they were going to
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  be with mister Epstein or whomever. Was there a window
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  that you scheduled Groff? Was it a window I scheduled?
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  I don't know that I ever gave an exact, you know, time,
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  but I knew that if I was scheduling something else
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  for him, say someone was coming for a two o'clock massage,
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  and then I knew his next appointment was two thirty.
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  Does that make sense? Higgins? Okay? And how were these
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  massage therapists paid? Groff? I believe that he paid them.
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  And there were some times when I would be asked
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  to please ask our accounting department to sense two hundred
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  dollars for in an envelope via messenger or picked up
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  from his driver to be delivered to a massuse mister Higgins.
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  And where would that be delivered to an address provided
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  to you Groff? Correct? Higgins? Did you keep documentation of
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  the addresses? Grof? I did not, Higgins, okay? And where
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  would the cash come from? Groff redacted in our accounting
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  department had a petty cash box? Higgins, okay. Final question
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  about the massage therapists. Did it ever strike you as
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  odd man that when you were calling a massage therapist
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  it was not a massage therapy business, Groff? No, I
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  considered it like an independent contractor type of situation. Higgins. Okay.
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  That's all my questions, thank you now, mister Biggs. Can
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  I ask a question too, thank you. We've just talked
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  about a number. I want to know was there a
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  number of different massage therapists or was it one or
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  two or the same one or how was that? Miss Groff?
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  It changed throughout, you know, time, Sometimes it would be
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  the same one and then other times was always directed
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  by mister Epstein. Mister Biggs, That's what I wanted to
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  ask you. Where did you get the name and number
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  he provided those to you? Groff? That is correct, yes, Biggs?
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  And was this was this a daily occurrence? Graf? It
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  could be. I'm sure there were days that there were
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  no massage Biggs. Okay, thank you, thank you very much,
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  mister Emmer. Just to follow up, were the days that
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  he would receive multiple massages? Groff? I don't believe. So.
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  I've heard that, but I don't believe. I don't recall
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  booking multiple massages. I can say if if one person
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  was not available, he might provide me a different name
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  and a phone number. But to me, it was one
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  Toland and you scheduled. Did you schedule all of mister
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  Epstein's massage appointments or were other individuals involved in this? Groff?
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  I think other individuals were probably helping schedule as well,
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  mister Tolan. Do you know who, Miss Groff? It could
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  have been Sarah Kellen at the time, maybe redacted redacted,
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  the administrative staff, Miss Brignac. So what was your role
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  in scheduling massages? Miss Groff? I was his main secretary,
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  but if I wasn't, if I was sick or if
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  I was not there, you know, in the office for
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  some reason vacation Tolan, Were you responsible for scheduling massages
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  at specific residence of his or anywhere? Answer? It was
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  mostly his home in New York City, that's you know
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  where I would schedule. And did you ever schedule for
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  his massages for his Palm Beach residents? Answer it's possible.
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  Question any of the other residences. Answer it's possible. Question,
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  And you've already touched on this a little bit. But
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  how would you know who to schedule? Answer mister Epstein
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  would direct me on who to call Brignac. Ask him
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  question now how answer? Oh, he would call me and
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  then he'd give me his twenty pages worth of notes
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  to schedule for the day, and that would just be
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  one of the things to schedule. Question can you describe
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  what it would say? Answer? Well, he would call me
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  and rattle off everything that he wanted to happen that
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  day in the morning, nine am sharp, and it would
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  just be one of the you know, schedule a meeting
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  with you know, Leon Black, Schedule a meeting with mort Zuckerman.
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  Here's a list of thirty people that I want you
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  to call today. Make me a massage appointment with so
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  and so and then on with you know, let's see
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  if we can have lunch with so and so type
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  of thing. Question Why would he give you the contact
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  information for the individual he wanted for a massage? Answer yes,
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  question to include what information? Answer name and phone number?
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  Question and did you ever ask how he got this information?
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  Answer no, Tolan. And then you would directly reach out
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  to these women? Is that correct answer by Grof? Correct
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  yes question? Or sometimes they would reach out to you
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  I think you mentioned earlier. Answer that's correct. Question. How
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  frequently would they reach out to you? Answer how frequently?
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  If he was? She gets cut off by backner. Can
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  you please keep your voice up, Groff, keep my voice up.
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  I would say it happened, you know, if he was
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  in town and a messeuse new, they might call, you know,
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  once a week, twice a week to see if you
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  would see them Timmins and quick question so pre jel.
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  It seemed that Glenn Maxwell did a lot of the
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  finding of the massage therapists and a lot of the coordination.
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  After that, it was more structured and there were different
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  people that were finding of age women all over the planet.
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  Eastern Europe and whatnot. You have a number of emails
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  where you're communicating with people to introduce very young but
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  of age girls to mister Epstein. Did you think that
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  was strange? Including photos of beautiful women saying these are
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  two people I think you'd like them, and then you'd
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  facilitate the introduction one. Did that occur often? Groff? It
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  did occur. Mister Epstein always wanted to widen his rolodectes
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  of people. He always wanted to meet people, and it
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  was not just when it came to women, when it
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  came to men as well, and the scientists and the professors.
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  He oftentimes said, if you know someone that you think
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  I would enjoy meeting and you think are smart, please
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  bring them along. It was just kind of what he did, Timmins.
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  So it's not unusual for someone to email you and say,
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  this is a twenty one year old from Ukraine and
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  she's very beautiful. Here are some photos we think that
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  Jef if we would like her, and then she would
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  send you the email to you and you would then
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  take that email to mister Epstein and say this person's
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  end this and you would say do you want to
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  meet this person? That's normal, Miss Groff. That's correct. He
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  was involved with a lot of modeling agencies and he
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  was just a connector. Timmins okay. In retrospect, the other
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  seven or eight people that he referred to as assistants,
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  you're aware that they're victims of sex trafficking and human trafficking,
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  Miss Groff, I'm aware that they're saying they're victims now,
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  Timmins okay. I mean they've been deemed victims by multiple
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  federal courts mediations. They've received hundreds of millions of dollars
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  of settlements. Wouitcom? Are you asking her awareness now, Sir Timmins, Yeah?
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  Are you aware currently that that's the case, Graff? I am,
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  Timmins okay. In retrospect, do you think that all these
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  other kinds of things go together. I mean, he's got
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  girls come in from Eastern Europe and he's developing a
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  system of control over eight people that work for him,
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  and you're the right hand of that control. Would come
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  just objection to the form you can answer, Timmins. Did
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  you control the credit cards of the ed assistants? Graf?
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  I did not, Timmins. Did you know the pin for
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  their apartments? Did you control their apartments Graf, I did not.
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  Mister Timmins, would you what if they said differently? Graf?
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  I don't think they would Timmins, Okay, Miss Brygnac, ms Gross,
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  you answered a question about massages with the fact that
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  he was well connected to modeling agencies. Did you ever
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  did he ever use a model as a massuse? Ms? Graff,
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  I don't know, Toland. And can you estimate how many
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  different messuses Epstein used? Graf, I don't know. Mister Biggs,
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  would you say it was more than a dozen different messuses? Graf.
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  I would say it was more than a dozen, mister Biggs,
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  more than twenty? Graff? Twenty thirty over a time period,
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  Mister Biggs. What time period are you thinking, Miss Groff?
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  Two thousand and one to two thousand and seven. Mister Biggs,
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  So during that six year period, you think maybe somewhere
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  between twenty and thirty or is it more likely than thirty?
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  Ms Groff? It sounds right, but I don't really know, Brignac.
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  Question and what informed your opinion that he was well
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  connected to modeling agencies? Answer? Well, his biggest client was
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  Les Wexner, and I knew that he was friendly with
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  other business owners faith kits of next modeling question, But
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  he was well connected to lots of different influential people.
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  Why do you per se he was well connected to
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  modeling agencies, amongst very few others. What about the modeling
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  agencies stands out to you? Answer? When I first got hired,
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  there was a lot of talk about modeling and modeling
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  agencies and less Wexner and that sort of thing. It
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  was just known around the office. Question did you hear
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  office gossip about how he would interact with these models? Answer? No,
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  All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here,
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  and in the next episode where going to pick up
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  where we left off. All the information that goes with
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