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Pittsburgh Penguins 2026-2027 Season Preview: What Does The Future Hold for Crosby, Dubas, And Murashov? · Jablam Sports Hockey

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Jablam Sports Hockey, your home for everything happening around the NHL.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Peter Bojaranov, and every episode we break down the biggest stories and topics all hockey fans are talking about with writers, TV, and radio experts from all 32 teams.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: Today we're still doing our season previews today with the Pittsburgh Penguins, and we've got on the show Joe Brand.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to the show, Joe.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: Peter, good to hear from you, man.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, dude.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: And he is the voice on Penguins Radio.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: And in trending now, we'll talk about is the NHL expanding or not?
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: So let's get into the penguins.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh last year, I would say it shocked a few to see the Penguins made the playoffs last year.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: What needs to occur this year for that to happen again, Joe?
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of what happened last season, and that was getting production from all four lines and getting solid goaltending for the most part.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think that was the biggest thing for the Pens last year.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, no one expected to see them be as consistent as they were.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I think they shocked a lot of people making the playoffs.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: And frankly, uh a lot of people in-house, too.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I I think Dan Mews had a real good read on this team right from the get-go.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, don't get me wrong, they weren't perfect all year long.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: They they definitely dealt with some lows in the month of December.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, actually, one of the roughest homestands in franchise history.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: It might have been the roughest.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: Five games, didn't win one, and blew, I know, back-to-back games in the third period.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh twice they allowed a goal in the final seconds of a hockey game in regulation, one of them being the final tenth of a second uh against the Anaheim Ducks.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, we all kind of thought the turning point of last season was right after the Christmas break.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: The Penguins are in Chicago, they're taking on the Blackhawks.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: First came after the the break, and it was a six o'clock game uh local time.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: And typically, you know, you won't have a morning skate, but the Penguins decided to do so a nine o'clock morning skate, which is a little bit earlier, and everyone participated.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone was present.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the Penguins went out and scored four goals in the first period against the Hawks in that game and kind of picked up the momentum that they had earlier on in the year and did enough of it to earn them a playoff spot and eventually second in the Metropolitan Division.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: It was unfortunately an early exit in the first round of Philly, but uh you know, a real impressive regular season, especially Dan Muse's first in his NHL career.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, hopefully, hopefully a lot of that.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think there was a lot of surprises last year.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: I do think that's what kind of should allow Kyle Dubas and Dan Muse to receive the benefit of the doubt.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: They made a lot of interesting moves last year and they they worked out.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: And there were some interesting moves this year as well.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of new players that are um kind of coming in and you're you're questioning what their role is going to be.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: But I think Kyle hit a lot of the right buttons last year, so he deserves the benefit of the doubt on a lot of them.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: You mentioned the coach is a rookie, Dan Muse.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: What's unique about him?
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: He's he is a unique guy, too.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he you know, when you when you list the qualities, hardworking guy, down to earth, very vocal, uh, good communication.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, all those things are what you typically hear about for coaches, especially in the NHL.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, I don't know.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know if it's because he's he's brand new to the league and his motivation is just so sky high, but he's got a great pulse on the entire team.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I think everyone bought in so quickly because what he was doing was working, using all four lines and you know, finding the right the right things to make guys click.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: And this is something I said heading into last year, because no one really had Dan Muse on their radar to be the Penguins head coach, let alone any head coach with some of the openings last season.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but when you looked at his resume, it all started to kind of make sense.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: He was a head coach, he was an assistant coach in the NHL, he was a head coach for the NCAA, the U.S.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_01: developmental team, um, in the minors, and then again had NHL experience.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: So he just had a lot of experience in a lot of different places, dealing with a lot of different types of players, and I think that's what set him up for success with the Penguins because that's kind of what their roster looked like.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: There's future Hall of Famers, there's rookies, and there's everybody in between.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I I think he did a really good job of you know not putting a lot of pressure on himself to have everything figured out right away.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: He made that pretty clear in his opening press conference.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's gonna take some time to learn what makes these guys click.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: But I think he just has a really good read on players.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: And you talk to the players and they say, you know, he he tells it straight up, he tells it how it is, he calls a spade a spade, but the communication is there.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: You're not you're not guessing what what he's gonna come up with, what he's gonna be um maybe upset about or passionate about, just because he's he's very transparent, and I think that's what works out so well for him in the penguins.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_00: You mentioned about those Hall of Fame players, and it's interesting because all the big core of those veterans are UFAs after this year.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: Sidney Crosby, Evgeny Malkin, Eric Carlson.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: What's going on there?
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, is it possible if the Penguins aren't in contention, some of these guys could be traded at the deadline?
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: Crosby?
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: Or if some of them say, especially Crosby, is he getting his 8.7 next year?
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I mean, just a couple of years ago, they were able to figure it out right before training camp.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think both sides are hopeful to uh get something figured out if it does uh before you know opening night.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but there doesn't seem to be much panic there at all or too much concern uh in terms of possibly shipping guys out if the season doesn't go the way the penguins had hoped.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like Eric Carlson kind of hinted at that while talking with reporters, but you know, it's kind of the same situation.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Sidney Crosby is the captain of the Penguins.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: He's now entering his 20th season.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: I it's really hard to imagine him anywhere else.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: I really don't think he he has any aspirations to go anywhere else.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: That doesn't mean he doesn't want to win.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: He totally wants to win.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's what he's geared towards.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's what he's um constantly, you know, ingrained in his mind is winning with the Penguins.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Malkin's a different story because we did this song and dance last year, and he went out and he had a great season.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: It was a little bit of abbreviated because he was injured and then dealt with the a five-game suspension, but but he had a great year.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and that's a big reason why Kyle Dubas went ahead and signed him for another season.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, Malkin's another guy that's pretty transparent.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: I know he doesn't talk to the media a ton, but but when he does, he pretty much speaks from the heart.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_01: And he he basically said, let's see how this season goes uh before making any decisions on what to do for next year.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I I think he's just he's very thankful and grateful to be here for another season, be here with Sid.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: I I think Sid's very grateful for that.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you get that big three for yet another season.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Eric Carlson's situation is different, uh, especially because you know his marriage with the Penguins looked a little rocky in the beginning, and then Dan Mews seemed to really be able to figure him out and utilize him a ton.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: And he had a great season with the Pens, and he was, you know, many times the best player on the ice for both teams.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: So uh, you know, a positive year for him is just only going to work out in the Penguins' favor.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: Either they're hunting for a playoff spot, or if they're not, maybe he does get moved because we have heard some rumors in the past about Carlson getting moved.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: But uh again, I think everyone's expectations right now and plans and hopes are for this team to contend and for this team to to have uh another competitive season.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: And again, I I think as of right now, the the team, the front office, the coaching staff, everybody deserves the benefit of the doubt.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: We can go around the league, and it looks like the Penguins might have the most unproven goaltending.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh starting the season, it looks like it's gonna be Artur Shilovs and the young rookie, 22-year-old Sergei Murchov.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Shilovs was bottom 10 in the league in Savis made above expected last year.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so I want to know more about the rookie.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen interviews with him.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: It looks like he comes off very philosophical.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: He kind of reminds me of Ilya Briz Brizkov.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: Do you get that?
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: And how much faith do they have in him?
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of faith in him.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: And yes, I I do.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: I I've talked with him a few times.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: He is just a very intellectual dude.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, his his English is very good for being just 22 years old and not spending a ton of time in the country, but he's just he's very inquisitive.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, the few times I have interviewed him, I I've wondered if, oh, there's a little bit of a language barrier right here because he's taken taking a moment to answer the question, but he's just thinking about his answer.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: He's trying to provide a very thoughtful answer.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I'm I'm buying high on Sergei Murashev's stock right now.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: We we saw him for just five games last year, but he did show some really great signs.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, in fact, his first win was a shutout that he had in Sweden against Nashville.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he actually got to play in the Marc-Andre Fleury preseason game last year.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, number one, a young goaltender like that gets to pick the brain of a future Hall of Famer like Marc-Andre Fleury.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: But it was also just the way he presented himself that wowed a lot of the coaches.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: I I talked with a few coaches after that day, and they just said, man, he's just wise beyond his years and and just knows how to hold himself so well in the NHL because you know he was picking Marc-Andre's mind.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: He was talking to him, trying to pick up tips, but he was all also out there doing his thing.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: He was very confident.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: He wasn't just hanging on to Fleury's belt loop the entire time, too.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: He was there to work.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: And um, so it's it's been really cool to see him just kind of ace everything outside of uh playing on the ice, which again, he's he's shown great signs of that already.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, I I I'm very big on him.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think the organization is as well.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: They feel very strongly about their entire goaltending depth chart with Arthur Shilovs.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: And and what word did you use when you first presented this question?
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: Was it unproven?
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I thought that was that's a great word um because it's it's it's very true.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like Shilovs, Shilovs played a lot of games last year for the Penguins.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: He did very well.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he wasn't fantastic all year long, but he was able to work through some some growing pains, if you will.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, he's a guy that's not quite sure if he's ready to be a 1A.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, not saying that he'll never be, but who knows if he is right now.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's what worked out well for him and the entire goaltending situation last year, because it started with Arthur Shilovs and Tristan Jari.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: Shilovs was a guy that was ready to take on more responsibility.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Tristan Jari was a guy that was struggling with all the responsibility he had had.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: Jari gets off to a good start, even though Shilovs was named the opening night starter.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: But then right away, Dan Mews is going with a tandem back and forth situation with both goaltenders, and then it worked out.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: And he pretty much went that way the rest of the year, whether it was Sergei Murashov, Tristan Jari, Arthur Shiloff, Stuart Skinner.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was almost every other day was the different goaltender.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: I should say every other game was the same goaltender.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um so so who who's to say we don't see that again this year?
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because honestly, the situation is kind of the same.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: Shilovs has more experience, um, but is he ready to be a 1A?
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Not too sure.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Sergei Murashov is still a very young goaltender with limited NHL experience, but maybe he is ready to take the next step.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, Peter, you know this about goalies.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: They're they're very intellectual dudes.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very big mind game in the game of goaltending in the NHL.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: I think it helps out when they know no matter how I do tonight, I am not playing in the next game.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like it's a more freeing philosophy.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think they can just kind of focus on the here and now and this game.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: I also think they feed off each other because you know, nowadays in the NHL, you need two goaltenders.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's just how it is.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's nobody's playing every single game, especially with 84 this season.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but even in the playoffs, I mean, great teams are grabbing an additional goaltender just in case.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like in baseball when you know you're no longer needing just one closer, you need maybe two, maybe three.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so uh again, I I know the penguins are very high in their goaltending situation overall.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: That goes with the depth chart as well with you all belongquist, Taylor Coachier, you know, different guys in the Penguins organization, but but especially the top two.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I do think their play will play a big role in how the Penguins are this year, because it did last season as well, because the defense has been a bugaboo for the Penguins lately, and uh some would argue in their entire franchise's history.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it it's definitely gonna, they're definitely gonna need a strong goaltending situation uh for another good shot at the playoffs.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh before we move on, I did wanna uh ask you about the big eight-year deal uh Kyle Dubas gave to Villy Kivenin.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: I know some questioned it as one of the franchise's stranger moves.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: It is one of the largest contracts, apparently, next to the names that it's kind of peculiar.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but an eight-year deal for per for Vili Kwavenin.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: Why is the question.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh well, I'm not Kyle Dubis, so I I I couldn't tell you exactly why.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I I don't want to speak for him, but but I think I mean, yeah, listen, I I read everything you did.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: I I heard all the skepticism that you did as well.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think you look at his numbers, you look at what he's done in the NHL, and you figure this guy probably still has to prove himself a little bit more before you know the entire league is gonna understand why this contract was signed.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but but I think uh the two things about it are number one, it's an eight-year deal at not too high of a cost.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Number two, with the salary cap going up.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think in a couple of years, that's more of an average look for maybe an average NHL player.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I know the Penguins are hoping and expecting Vilay Koivanen to be an above-average player.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: So by those metrics, it's a great deal.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: But but obviously that's that's a big hypothetical, and I get that.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: He's he he's still got a to prove himself in.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: And the thing is, I I think if you were if you were just judging the contract off of what he has done in the AHL, it makes a little more sense, right?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, this guy's got a ton of great upside.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Look at look at what he's able to do at the AHL level, look at how um he ranks among the other AHL players.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: I get it, it's a weird way to look at it, um, because there has been some struggles at the NHL level.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: But something that our um our uh pre and post hosts, Paul Steigerwald, brought up, I I think is a pretty good point.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: This guy was signed, traded for, and now signed to be a top six player.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: When he has come up to the NHL, he hasn't gotten a lot of top six roles or opportunities.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: So you are paying for what you you hope to be a team-friendly contract for a top six player, and also let's see how he does in a top six role or a top six opportunity because he's every time he's come up, he's kind of been in a bottom six role, and that's not really his game.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: He's a skilled player, he's a fast player.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I I think some of the criticism about him finish finishing his shot is valid.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, if he could just be a little bit more trigger happy, shoot the puck, shoot with a little bit more authority, he could have more success in scoring at the NHL.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but but but that's what you expect from a top six player.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I I I do think we got to wait a few years until the verdict for this case is completely out.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: But I I understand the raised eyebrows um when this deal was signed because you don't often see things like this.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but again, with with some of the other moves that Kyle has made, I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: We've seen across the league some of these third fourth liner guys already getting paid four million.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: So, hey, if he is a 20-goal scorer in a couple years or an above Porcy plus rating, it's gonna pay off.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, yeah.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, time for some trending now.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, meeting for the first time since the NHL began exploring uh expansion to Houston or Austin in Texas in June.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, the board of governors discussed the topic on Tuesday, and Batman said, I think everybody's taking a wait and see attitude to see what's being presented and what the pros and cons are.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: So it looks like Expansion News is on hold for now.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: Do you feel it's good for the game to keep expanding, Joe?
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Even though you prefaced me with this question before we started, I I I still don't really have an answer for you.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um because I I I understand the negativity around it, but I also see the positivity.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I think Vegas and Seattle are great ads to the league.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean, obviously Vegas and what they've been able to do, but but Seattle's got a great arena.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's a it's a wonderful city.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: I loved when we go there.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I know they're probably that organization isn't at the standard that they had hoped to be at this point just yet, and especially with the where Vegas is at.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't know, business is good.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: So, so why not keep going with with something that's good?
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I understand it would be you know more teams in the league than any other big four sport um in North America.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: I I understand, you know, talent might be a little bit more spread out with with something like that.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, you know, it's exciting times in the NHL right now, and and a lot of money is being made.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the league, uh, or at least the fan base is growing.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's there's something about the hockey culture too, right?
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: That I think America in general is just buying a little bit more into it because it's a very team sport.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, for the most part, it's a lot of great people, you know, down-to-earth people that just like to work hard, play the game for fun, and and see what happens.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I I don't know.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I might be speaking out of turn here, but it almost seems like that kind of premise is what allows everyone to fall in love with sports in the first place.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, some of these other mega contracts and the other sports that are are going on, I think, are swaying some people away from it because it's hard to relate to a guy that just signed for$700 million.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: And uh not not that it's incredibly easy to sign to side with someone who's signed for$18.5 million per year, especially at a young age, but I I don't know.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's just it's it's a very uh group feeling sport, it's a team-friendly sport.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think it's growing overall in the league.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: A lot more people are learning how to skate at a young age, a lot more people are learning just how to play hockey, and uh, it's more accessible as well.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's on TV more.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: I know all those deals are are pretty big these days.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: So so I I mean if if you ask me, and and I got to choose between the two, yeah, let's grow the game, let's expand more, let's let's have some more fun, let's get more people involved.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but but I understand maybe some concern about it as well.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if you ask me, I choose Houston just because I've been there recently, and I was shocked to see a beautiful rink inside a beautiful mall, and they had a hockey bar I could see hockey playoff games at, and fans from all different parts of the world coming to that bar to watch games, which was pretty phenomenal and shocking for me to see.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: I I'd honestly be fine with Houston or Austin, but uh yeah, yeah, I I I think it'd be fun.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's it for this episode.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Joe, thanks for joining me.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: Peter, thanks for joining having me on.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: Always a pleasure.
• 21:34
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• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: Next time.