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The Murder of Reena Virk · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: How's it going to everyone?
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nicole and I'm Ben, and you're listening to Wicked
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  Speaker 2: and Grim.
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  Speaker 1: A true crime podcast morning.
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  Speaker 2: The following podcast materials.
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  Speaker 1: Audience listener. That's good. We nailed that, nailed it, nailed
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  Speaker 1: that third times the charm right, this is our third
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  Speaker 1: podcast three.
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  Speaker 2: So therefore, yes, the third post number three.
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  Speaker 1: And I did the research for this one, so you did.
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  Speaker 2: It's a cool episode.
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  Speaker 1: It's in a cool episode. The research was intense, was it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it just was a lot longer than I anticipated it to.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you got that rabbit hole you crawl down, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Is that what happened?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, numerous times, Like the amount of articles and
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  Speaker 1: news pages I read was just a little bit much.
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  Speaker 2: A little much. Well, like, how long do you think
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  Speaker 2: you're researching for?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? I put a solid eight hours, really like a
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  Speaker 1: homework day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's honestly, it's not surprising when I look back
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  Speaker 2: the research I'd done for the past too, So that's fair.
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  Speaker 2: I can see it. I can see it.
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  Speaker 1: I think it will get easier though, because honestly, as
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  Speaker 1: you just learn easier and more efficient ways of doing it.
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  Speaker 1: So I think, like the fifth the one I do
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, it would be much easier.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and there's a lot of descriptions out there when
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  Speaker 2: you're researching stuff and it's like you can omit this.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, the victim was wearing a blue hair tie.
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  Speaker 2: Do we really need to know that? Not necessarily?
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  Speaker 1: No, I did already emit stuff like that. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing good well and.
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  Speaker 2: Even still in an hour long podcast, we can't fit everything.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, so we're gonna do the best we can.
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  Speaker 1: Oh if I fit everything, as you guys to have
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  Speaker 1: to listen to us for three hours, and who wants
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  Speaker 1: to do that?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I've listened to you over the past like
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  Speaker 2: fifteen years talk NonStop, so I'm pretty sure I've listened
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  Speaker 2: to more than just three hours NonStop.
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  Speaker 1: Can we have two podcasts out? We do, and they're
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  Speaker 1: going really well.
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  Speaker 2: They are like ridiculously well.
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  Speaker 1: You have pumped.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I've actually told you yet, but I
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  Speaker 2: looked at the numbers. We are over two hundred listens
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  Speaker 2: on both episodes combined already, who Who? And they've only
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  Speaker 2: been released for like well at this time, like not
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  Speaker 2: even two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you everyone, thank you, ya, thank You've had some
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  Speaker 2: incredible support from like friends and people online who were
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  Speaker 2: just finding us. I even had someone on TikTok on
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  Speaker 2: my personal account say that, like, hey, I literally haven't
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  Speaker 2: looked up your podcast yet, but Spotify recommended Wicked and
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  Speaker 2: Grim to me on my recommendation thing. So that's pretty
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  Speaker 2: dope that we're making the recommendation list.
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  Speaker 1: That is awesome, right, Look at us moving up in
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  Speaker 1: the world.
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  Speaker 2: People like us, I think, I hope.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, time will tell.
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  Speaker 2: If they stick around they like us. Yeah, if they don't,
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  Speaker 2: then clearly we've got we've got some issues.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, should we stop with the chit chat?
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  Speaker 2: Sure, let's get right to it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's dive into this case.
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  Speaker 2: Boom and a cool episode present us the case. What
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  Speaker 2: do we got?
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I actually haven't really given any hints or anything.
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  Speaker 1: I think the only hint I gave that it was
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  Speaker 1: a BC case, which it is, and you kept a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of information for me. I know nothing about this
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  Speaker 2: case either.
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  Speaker 1: I know I'm very secretive.
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  Speaker 2: You aren't in good job on keeping it. Although in turn,
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  Speaker 2: just so you know, I'm making sure that I'm not
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  Speaker 2: telling you anything about my case and just you guys
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  Speaker 2: are aware. We're recording today's episode and next week's episode
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  Speaker 2: back to back. So I've got my case. Later writ
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  Speaker 2: in front of me and.
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  Speaker 1: Nicolemost nothing about I know nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not telling her anything between now and then when
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  Speaker 2: we record.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I don't even know if I know the name
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  Speaker 1: of the person.
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  Speaker 2: Well, at the end of this episode, I'll tell you
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  Speaker 2: guys what the cases, But first we got to listen
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  Speaker 2: to it. Cales case, I'm pumped. What do you got?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? So here we go. So I am diving deep
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  Speaker 1: into the murder of Rena ke rena Vert. Does that
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  Speaker 1: name sound familiar to you?
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  Speaker 2: I would like to say yes, but no it doesn't. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm really bad with names.
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  Speaker 1: Over you are? And yeah, I for some reason remember
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  Speaker 1: this happening, and it's also been in the news very
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  Speaker 1: consistently over the years. So I feel like a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people are going to.
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  Speaker 2: Know about this one then I should know it.
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  Speaker 1: But probably, well it might maybe some bells will ring.
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  Speaker 1: Is that how you say that?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it'll ring some bells, ring some bells. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: a news person though, either. I try to avoid that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It's depressing a lot of times okay, So who is
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  Speaker 1: Rena Virk.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hear it.
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  Speaker 1: So, Rena Vike, at the time of her murder was
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  Speaker 1: only fourteen years old. I'm just going to throw that
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  Speaker 1: out there because that's really sad and that might trigger
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  Speaker 1: some people. So she was born on March tenth, nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty three. Her parents were suemn Urke and man Jeep Burke,
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  Speaker 1: and she was the oldest of three children, and they
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  Speaker 1: lived in Sanwich, BC. Do you know where that is?
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  Speaker 2: That's south right Vancouver area or is it on the island.
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  Speaker 1: It's on Vancouver Island, on the island. I love Vancouver Island.
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  Speaker 2: My geography is also terrible. I'm just all around not
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  Speaker 2: an educated individual. I don't watch the news. Names don't
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  Speaker 2: stick with me and geography don't ask me math either.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is going to educate you more.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So it's about two kilometers or two miles or so
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  Speaker 1: from Victoria, So it's pretty much like a suburb of Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, people that live there probably are not gonna
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  Speaker 1: be happy with me saying that, but I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a suburb of Victoria. So Rena's dad was a first
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  Speaker 1: generation immigrant from India of Sikh religion, and Rena's mom
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  Speaker 1: was born and raised in Victoria, also Indian, but of
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  Speaker 1: Jehovah Witness religion.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's a different combination.
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  Speaker 1: It is, isn't it. So Rena is described and this
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  Speaker 1: she was described with this numerous articles. I read as
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  Speaker 1: a minority within a minority because she's living in basically Victoria,
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  Speaker 1: Savage BC, in a South Asia community, but of Jehovah
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  Speaker 1: Witness religion when most of the people in that little
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  Speaker 1: community would be of Sikh religion.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see sticking out like a sore thumb
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  Speaker 2: for sure.
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  Speaker 1: So Rena was described as she loved life, She was
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  Speaker 1: a caregiver, liked caring for people, and loved babies, including
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  Speaker 1: her little siblings.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, she sounds like a good person.
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  Speaker 1: Her mom, uh said if she was alive today, she
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  Speaker 1: would have done something to help other people.
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  Speaker 2: We need more people like that in our lives in
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  Speaker 2: the world, Like.
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  Speaker 1: She probably would have been a nurse or something. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we need caring people in this world. I'm not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to know where this is going now.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I do, but I don't.
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  Speaker 1: So at the time of the murder, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: Rena was only fourteen, which is just so young, Like
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  Speaker 1: fourteen years old, Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 2: You're still developing as a person then, Like you don't
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  Speaker 2: even know who you are.
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  Speaker 1: I know you don't. Yeah, you're just very new to
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  Speaker 1: the world. Really well, like I think.
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  Speaker 2: Back when you were fourteen, what were you like? Well,
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  Speaker 2: I know what you were like. We were dating then
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  Speaker 2: almost dat we knew each other.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say I was into teenye maybe,
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  Speaker 1: but I think maybe that out pays already went by hopefully.
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  Speaker 2: I think I was fifteen, okay, so we're just starting
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  Speaker 2: to get to know each other. And yeah, you were weird.
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  Speaker 1: I was odd. I feel like I was like young
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  Speaker 1: too long.
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  Speaker 2: But we don't even know.
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  Speaker 1: But that's okay. I feel like that's a good thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: stay young as long as you can.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: Reno was described as also being a very self conscious teenager,
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  Speaker 1: which I mean as we were just kind of saying,
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  Speaker 1: like you're finding yourself and you're not too sure about
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  Speaker 1: what you're going to be yet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're all like that when we're that age.
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  Speaker 1: And she desperately sought the acceptance from her peers, which
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  Speaker 1: is like really sad just learning that. But I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're just learning, learning everything about yourself, and you just
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  Speaker 1: want people to like you and make friends, And.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of pressure at that age too, right,
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  Speaker 2: trying to fit in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just I just pretty much just described
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  Speaker 1: like a normal teenager.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you just literally described my past.
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  Speaker 1: So she was also going through a rebellion phase from
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  Speaker 1: her parents, which is also very common, but hers was
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more intense, and I feel like most
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  Speaker 1: people's rebellion phase would be from their parents, She figured.
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  Speaker 1: She thought her parents were very overprotective. For an example
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  Speaker 1: of that, they gave her a nine pm curfew. But
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  Speaker 1: I mean, at fourteen years old, I was not roam
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  Speaker 1: in the streets at nine pm. I'm not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I grew up on a dirt road. It
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  Speaker 2: was like when I go home from school at like
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  Speaker 2: four thirty, it was like, I'm not going out unless
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  Speaker 2: it's for a bike ride to the next door neighbor
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  Speaker 2: who is my buddy, and by then it's I'm back
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  Speaker 2: by dinner.
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  Speaker 1: But I was also a perfect child.
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  Speaker 2: Of course you were. You're a perfect human all around
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  Speaker 2: study much brand points to me today.
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  Speaker 1: Saving you don't have to sleep on the couch tonight. Whooh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: So she so just kind of dive into how she
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  Speaker 1: was rebellious. She had ran away from home, she with
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  Speaker 1: her grandparents. She her her end goal basically of her
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  Speaker 1: rebellion was she wanted to live in like a foster care,
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  Speaker 1: in foster care. What that was. She didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: be living with her parents. I think she had friends
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  Speaker 1: that were in foster care group home situations, and it
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  Speaker 1: just that seemed more desirable to her.
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  Speaker 2: So it was glorified because who aims to live.
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  Speaker 1: In faster care?
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know, unless you had like a really
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  Speaker 2: bad living situation, you know exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And her parents are amazing. They're like, oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to learn about them and they're just phenomenal.
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  Speaker 2: This is breaking my heart already.
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  Speaker 1: So living with her grandparents wasn't going overly well. She
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  Speaker 1: and what she did next was she reported physical, mental,
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  Speaker 1: and sexual abuse at her home, which caused her father
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  Speaker 1: to be arrested.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I thought you said that she was like an
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  Speaker 2: all around good person. That's not a cus.
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  Speaker 1: She was a very good person, but she was kind
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  Speaker 1: of just out a phase where she was just like
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  Speaker 1: testing everything. I think, you know, and so okay, that
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  Speaker 1: did get withdrawn okay good at a later date. So
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  Speaker 1: she has also attempted suicide. She did end up in
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  Speaker 1: foster care that was not doing what she wanted it
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  Speaker 1: for her. So she that was at the time when
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  Speaker 1: she withdrew the allegations to her father because she wanted
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  Speaker 1: to go back home and they welcomed her back with
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  Speaker 1: like open arms. That's like first of showing how awesome
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  Speaker 1: her parents are. No kidding that it didn't go well
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  Speaker 1: again living at home. So she at the time of
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  Speaker 1: her death, she was in a group home situation. So
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  Speaker 1: it definitely was not all sunshine and roses, no kidding. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So the night of November fourteenth, nineteen ninety seven was
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  Speaker 1: when it all went down.
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  Speaker 2: I remember that day very clearly.
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  Speaker 1: Do you what were you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I was no. Actually I was a PlayStation guy, but
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, No, I didn't have PlayStation by then,
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  Speaker 2: probably playing StarCraft. In fact, I remember it well. It
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  Speaker 2: was a partly cloudy day, just got home from school
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  Speaker 2: playing StarCraft in the computer. My mom was yelling at
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  Speaker 2: me to do homework. Childhood, No, I wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So Rena was attending a party The party was
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  Speaker 1: in the back field of Shoreline Secondary, you know, pretty
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  Speaker 1: much the best place to have a party. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: there was reportedly about thirty kids there. Teenagers. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I guess you're still considered a kid. It got very rowdy,
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  Speaker 1: as you can imagine. The police were called. They arrived
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  Speaker 1: and at that point the teens scattered.
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  Speaker 2: I could see it, like stomp them on nan Hill
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  Speaker 2: sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. So Rena ended up at the local convenience store
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  Speaker 1: that was very near and she notified her parents that
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  Speaker 1: she'd be coming home for the night because it was
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  Speaker 1: much closer than the group home that she was at
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  Speaker 1: at the time.
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  Speaker 2: And her parents, I bet you they were totally cool
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  Speaker 2: if that weren't they Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah they were. I'd almost just like always seem like
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  Speaker 1: they're excited whenever she reached out and wanted to come
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  Speaker 1: home and stuff. So after the phone call with her parents,
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  Speaker 1: two girls which were allegedly she thought were friends, invited
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  Speaker 1: her down to Craig Flower Bridge, which was where the party.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what you'd say, reconvened.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, we're a.
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  Speaker 1: Bunch of teenagers. Decided to keep it going and at
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  Speaker 1: that moment. At that moment, she should have just like
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  Speaker 1: not tried to fit in and just gone home.
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  Speaker 2: Is this where it starts.
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't mentioned this yet, but she was accused of
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  Speaker 1: spreading rumors herself about another girl and trying to steal
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  Speaker 1: that girl's boyfriend.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so classic high school stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very much so, And that, unfortunately, is basically how
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  Speaker 1: the attack started. The girl who was subject of the
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  Speaker 1: rumors spread by Rena started it all out by putting
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  Speaker 1: a burning cigarette out on Rea's forehead.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's just a dick move all around.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that would actually like really hurt one.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah I would. You'd burn yourself, well, not yourself,
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  Speaker 2: but they would burn you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But that's just the start. So Rena was then
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  Speaker 1: swarmed by a group of seven girls and one boy,
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  Speaker 1: all of these people being under the age of sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: so they're all young, and oh very young. They repeatedly punch, kicked,
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  Speaker 1: hit Rena for reportedly up to three to five minutes.
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  Speaker 1: This went on like that is a long time to be.
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  Speaker 2: So long, like three minutes, Like that's that's a full
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  Speaker 2: freaking song.
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  Speaker 1: For yeah, for eight people to be just you know, attacking.
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  Speaker 2: You right, I think how long is Bohemian Rhapsody that song?
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  Speaker 2: I think that's slightly over five minutes, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god?
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  Speaker 2: So basically think getting that your ass kicked for the
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  Speaker 2: entirety of Bohemian Rhapsody, I know that is just so long.
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  Speaker 1: There was and there was a crowd around watching this.
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  Speaker 1: So there was the seven people or eight people sorry,
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  Speaker 1: attacking Rena and then a crowd watching, which I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: how on earth did you watch this? But someone in
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  Speaker 1: the crowd did kind of at one point was like,
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  Speaker 1: enough's enough and that did end it good. So it
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  Speaker 1: ended and at that point Rena was was left alive,
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  Speaker 1: so she she was still alive. She was definitely like
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  Speaker 1: not doing well of.
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  Speaker 2: Course, as I could imagine.
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  Speaker 1: So she was not in good shape, but she was
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  Speaker 1: going to make her way across the bridge, stumbling and
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  Speaker 1: trying as best she could to get home because her
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  Speaker 1: home was on the other side of the bridge. But uh,
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  Speaker 1: two teens did not leave, So we have we have
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  Speaker 1: Kelly Ellard and weren't glow out ski. I was have
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  Speaker 1: trouble pronouncing that we're Glowoutski. So and so they didn't leave.
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  Speaker 1: And apparently these two individuals didn't even know Rena personally,
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  Speaker 1: which I have trouble, like, what the heck, what are
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  Speaker 1: you doing?
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  Speaker 2: So they they stayed behind. I'm assuming that they're about
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  Speaker 2: to like jump her or something like that. I already
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  Speaker 2: hate them. And they didn't even know her.
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  Speaker 1: They just they didn't know her, and some reports said
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  Speaker 1: that they just wanted to make sure that she didn't
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  Speaker 1: rat anyone out, so they stayed back and like followed her.
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  Speaker 1: So but they didn't like, I mean, she was not
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  Speaker 1: moving fast. They did catch her on the bridge and
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  Speaker 1: they kind of brought her across the other bridge or sorry,
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  Speaker 1: to the other side of the bridge.
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  Speaker 2: She brought her across well.
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  Speaker 1: Like escorted her, but like not in a nice way.
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  Speaker 1: So they're like harassing and pushing it like she's just
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  Speaker 1: wanting like she's just telling them to fuck off constantly.
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  Speaker 1: So so they get to the other side of the
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  Speaker 1: bridge where the attack, an attack starts again, these two
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  Speaker 1: Kelly and Warren. So attack starts again. They're punching, punching Rina,
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  Speaker 1: and they end up smashing her head against a tree,
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  Speaker 1: which leaves her unconscious.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, do we know which one smashed their
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  Speaker 2: head against the tree?
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: No, at that point, I didn't say which one. I
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: think it was like both Warren and Kelly were very
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: active at that point, but one of them does get
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: much worse here. So they dragged Rena's body to the water. Wait, unconscious, right,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: unconscious Kelly or sorry, Reena is not conscious, So Kelly
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: help holds Rena's head underwater with her foot. Well, she
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: goes into her pocket, gets one of her cigarettes, lights
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: the cigarette, and smokes the entire cigarette while holding Rena's
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: head under the water with her foot.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: What yeah, oh my god.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know she thought that she was just
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: being really cool or what.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: I don't like, the fuck is that cool?
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I know, like this is like a person.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: I just I just uh, I'm sorry.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Uh she Wow, Yeah, you're not gonna like her, Ben.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: She's already a seaon next Tuesday. Yeah, you're not gonna
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: like her home Wow, okay continue Sorry.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: So come Monday, rumors were flying, despite a pack that
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: was made amongst everyone that no one was to say anything,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: of course, Like, I just feel like that's such a
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: teenager to think no one's going to say anything. We're
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: keeping this quiet. Grena's parents had reported her missing obviously
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: because they were expecting her. But there was like a
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: forty eight hour period where police wait because generally, especially
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: people group worn homes, they do a missing and like
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: turn up often, right, So I mean it was just
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: the police where we're.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Waiting, following policy.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean that is unfortunate. So police conducted
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: numerous interviews over the week while they were doing this. Apparently,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Kelly reportedly was bragging, giving people tours of the crime
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: she seen and showing what she did.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Of course she was wow, yeah, like she's a real win,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: trash person, real winner. She trash Kelly.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: She was dubbed the nickname killer Kelly.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: There's another word I can think she should be called.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're not going to go there. No, So
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: on November twenty first, so never November twenty first, that's
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: seven days after the attack, Kelly Warren and six girls
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: were arrested, facing charges from assault to murder. So quite quickly, really,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like they figured out who was involved.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean with all these rumors flying around with
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: kids being like, oh yeah, I was totally doing this
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: and Kelly being like, yeah, this is where I killed
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: this chick.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, oh yeah, she's not going to get called
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: secret at all. And I just feel like at that age,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean even now, I'm terrible at
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: keeping secrets. I would have probably told my parents instantly
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: and then their you know, parents get involved. Yeah, it
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: was the rumors were going through the school too, so
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: teachers were were getting involved in such as well.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I could imagine, well, yeah, you are terrible at
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: keeping secret. It's even when it comes to like Christmas.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Time, something cool, I want to give it to you instantly.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Suret I'm wearing right now. I literally got for Christmas
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: this past Christmas from you, and I knew about it
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: like the month prior to.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I had to make sure you tried it on
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: to make sure it fits. Anyways, continue, Yes, Okay, so
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: everyone's arrested at this point, but they still have not
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: found the body. So the police put a lot of
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: effort into that. On the following day, so eight days
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: after the murder, Rena's body was found in the water
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: about a kilometer from where she was last beaten.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Jeez, So she was she like pushed into the river
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: then or what?
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: You know? I never never said anything, but I'm assuming
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: like she was pretty much in the water already, so.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: They probably just left her there. Yeah.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I never said if they pushed her down or whatever.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: But she also didn't end up that far from from
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: where the attack happened, to kilometers and really that far. No, especially,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I'm also really surprised no one found found her previously
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to that, I mean, yeah, but anyway, so I'm gonna
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna dive into the autopsy here. This is not great, Okay,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: as expected. So the autopsy, she had severe bruising over
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: her entire skull, forehead, ears and cheeks, swellen brain, an
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: imprint of a running shoe on her head, consistent with
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: stomping or kicking, which I imagine is the imprint of
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Kelly's foot holding her down.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, while she smokes a fucking cigarette thinking she's cool shit.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, queen Bee or whatever she wants
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to be.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, she's a bee, that's for sure.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Severe bruising on pelvis, stomach, liver and pancreas Jesus, and
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: pebble's lodge in the throat consistent with someone drowning face
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: down in shallow water. So yeah, like she wasn't she
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: was still alive, but she obviously was underwater, still trying to.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Breathe, right, yeah, Well, unconscious or not, your reflex is
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: going to be to try and breathe.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So she's being held down by Kelly and she's
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: trying to breathe. Whether she's conscious, I don't, I mean,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: do you know didn't say like she was struggling at
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: that point.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think that she was struggling.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so she's probably unconscious, just trying to breathe
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: exactly graveling. Oh my god, that's horrible. Can you imagine?
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I couldn't imagine.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I can't hold my breath in the bathtub for like
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: thirty seconds, let alone being forced down by something like how.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Long would it take to smoke a cigarette? I think
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: it would take like a good three to five minutes
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: when it depending on I've never actually.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Depending on how fast you're going. If you're in a
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: coffee break, I'm sure you're trying to smoke that sucker
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: pretty fast.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: But if you're just casually out, oh yeah, she was
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: probably just being as casual as she could be. So
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: obviously Rena her the final doom was drownding, but she
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: It was also reported that she most likely wouldn't have
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: survived with the brain injury that she had.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: So wow, I know, poor Rena, No kidding.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I just I don't know. Just I just it's so
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: bad for her, like fourteen years old, and that's just
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: like a tragic thing to happen to her parents and
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: her family.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Like and you said this was like a major case,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: like that's been like all over the news and stuff before.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, because the freaking trial is just a
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: complete shit show. Kelly is constantly in the news. I've
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: never heard of this case, Like I means over person,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: but she's completely overshadowed, shadowed Rena just just because her
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: freaking quirt. It's just like a disaster. I'm about to
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: dive into that. Well, actually I'm diving into the other
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: people so before Kelly, because I like the other people better.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Not that I like them, but you.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Know what I mean in this case where you're saving
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: the worst for life exactly.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: So the following year trials begin February nineteen ninety eight
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: six girls from the original attack. They were all charged
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: with assault causing bodily harm, and it ranged from sixty
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to one year in youth custody. Of what they got
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: so they're not named because they're under the Young Offenders Act.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not adults.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: So some of them have since come forward and opened
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: up because I mean there's been like books written and
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: documentaries and stuff, and so some of them have come
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: forward with their their names, like Nicole Cook is one
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: that I can remember offhand, but I think there was
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: at least three or so that came forward.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Good on them. I mean, you're a shitty person at
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: that age, but clearly you're you're grown out of something
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: and you're becoming a better person. So good on them
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: for that.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: But then it's also, okay, this is just me being terrible.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I think, I know, the guilt will just eat you away.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: But then you're also ruining your life two by coming forward.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they also ruined Riena's life. They did, so
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: they're doing the right thing they are.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: But they have this Young Offenders Act for reasons so
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: that you can still kind of have a life going forward. Maybe,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: but no, no, honestly, it's the right thing to do.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: It's the right thing.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I know you're going to get to it, so you
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: don't don't say anything response. But I really hope that
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Kelly didn't fall under this and that she gets like
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: some serious shit here, So I just won't throw that
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Continue well, considering we already know her name, we know
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: her name right that that's right there, saying that they
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: faced much worse and their offense was so brutal that
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: they were tried in adult court and that's why we
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: know both of their names. So yeah, no, it was
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: not good.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I didn't put that together. So you could have just left.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Me in suspense because he gave me a blank look like,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: what do you mean why? How is it obvious?
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah? But no, now I gotcha. Okay, Yeah, you're right.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, So Warren Warren, I don't know he I feel
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: like a little bit bad for him, which I just shouldn't,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: but I just do. So. His parents stayed together basically
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: to raise him. They did end up getting a divorce
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: at some point in time. His mom was an alcoholic,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: so he was living with his dad. But his dad
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: ended up meeting someone when he was in vague and
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: moved to California to be with this woman.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Classic love story right there.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: But Warren didn't want to go because he wanted to
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: stay behind with his girlfriend, and so the dad went anyway,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and so at the time of the murder, like Warren
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: was living alone.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, so he did not have like the greatest
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: atmosphere as a young adult.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Not really. I mean, like you're sixteen years old and
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: you're living alone. It did say that the dad sent
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: him regular checks and that Warren's girlfriend's mom would make
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: him meals and do his laundry and stuff. So I
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: can't he had some support, but I just feel like
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: that's a little bit young to be living on your own.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: That's like minimal support. Though you have financial support and
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: someone's doing your laundry and making meals, you don't have
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: someone there when you need them. Oh no, hey dad,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: can you help me with my homework?
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: You don't have that, no, or someone even reminding you
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to do your homework kind of yeah.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Or you know, wash your sheets. Yeah, you might be
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: doing laundry, but do you remember to wash your sheets?
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: You know, Hey, it's nine o'clock, it's getting late. You
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: gotta get up early. You don't have any sort of
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: family support to you, support, nothing.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: It's just too young to be living on your own.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: So it's a bad situation. Yeah.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: He was also part of a local gang and to
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: be brought into this gang, he had to endure a
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: brutal beating, so I almost feel like just the beating
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: mentality or attacking mentality was just part of maybe his
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: normal day to day life. And then for him being
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: at the attack, he was basically at the wrong place
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: at the wrong time. He was there because of his girlfriend,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and his girlfriend ended up actually not feeling well and
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: going home, but and he offered to walk her home,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: but she said, don't worry about it, which later she
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: said she super regrets because I mean, if he let
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: her walk her home, he would not be in this situation.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's mistake right there. When you lady says no,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: don't worry about it, you worry about it, you.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Do it well. Yeah, honestly, something else would have ended
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: happening that would have made the girlfriend mad, probably.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Right hashtag always hashtag always honey, Are you upset? No,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I'm fine. Yeah, you follow through, you make sure you
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: do the right thing. Whyse you're in the doghouse.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: So Warren, yeh, fucked up. That was number one fuck up.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: And that's why I'm trying to earn the Brandie point.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: So okay. In April nineteen ninety nine was when his
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: course court journey started. He pleaded not guilty. He admitted participation,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: but said he had no idea Kelly was planning to
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: kill Rena. I mean, I also don't really know if
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Kelly went out planning to kill Rena, but he was
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: definitely part of the situation, yeah, for sure. So in
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: June he was found guilty. He was found guilty of
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: second degree murder. He got life in prison without parole
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: for at least seven years, which is the maximum.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you got the max.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's interesting if they had been so
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: they are tried an adult court, but their age still
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: help them because if they were say I think it
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: was eighteen, that the maximum would have been life in
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: prison with at least ten years. So like their age,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: them being young and stuff. Though they were tried as adults,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: it's still I guess help them.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: It was a factor. It was a factor. But yeah, okay, yeah, so.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I got a lot of dates here.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Let's hear these dates.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: In two thousand and one, he appealed, but he did lose,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and they said, you know, you actively took part in
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: this murder, which yeah you did, Yeah you did. In
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: two thousand and four, he applied for day parol, which
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: he was denied. Two thousand and six, he was granted
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: unescorted temporary absences from prison.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Oh pancy, I know you know what?
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is like, I just find this all just
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: doesn't make much sense because you're put like in life
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: in prison, but then you end up getting I.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Don't know, there's a lot of cases like that, but
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: it's like, Oh, you go into jail for life. Oh,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: by the way, would you like to go to the
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: fair this weekend. We're gonna get you some cotton candy,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: have a dandy old time, play some games.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: So I just life in prison. I just don't think
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: is life in prison?
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly isn't at this point.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: So in two thousand and seven he was granted full
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: day parole, and then oh I gotta flip my page here. Sorry.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: In twenty ten he was granted like full parole, So
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: like done.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Basically, I like how we have laptops and phones and
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: all this stuff, but we're still like going to old
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: school and writing our notes on paper.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I know, I feel like one day maybe I'll do
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: a tablet, but I don't know. It's kind of nice
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: writing it out.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I definitely I love the field of paper.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like you would actually probably fuck up more laptop.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I think it would take me a lot longer to
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: like type it out too, probably with just a job.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Notes I did because my notes were just a freaking disaster.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I probably rewrote these like one or two times. So
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you did it on the computer, I
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: would save you that that.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Amount of time, right plus plus post it notes take
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: a look great there in my notes. I have post
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: it notes everywhere for additional information. I that's not organized technically,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: it is because post it notes help you organize post
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: it notes. There's an AD's.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, so this is kind of cool because they feel
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: like so weren't just like the poster child of what
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: a person should be like in prison. I'm just gonna
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: throw that out there. He put a lot of work
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: into himself and others while in prison, Like he's he
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: did good. He took rehabilitation courses. He discovered he was
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: of METI heritage while in prison, and he did this
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: is like super cool. He did a restorative justice program
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: with Rena's parents, and I hadn't even heard of this,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: so basically he they they met numerous times Rena's parents.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've told you already they're awesome people because
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: they also were active participants in this. So they met
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: with him. He personally apologized to them, and he realized
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: the pain that he caused.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's too little, too late, but I don't
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: think that's kind of their mentality, which is very impressive.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Good on them.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Sueman tells reporters, we would have hoped something
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: would have or somebody would have learned something from this
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: whole thing, basically meaning that Warren did.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: And then Warren telling Suman and man Jeet that he
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: aspired to be as caring and selfless as they were,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Like it was just seemed like they just got this
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: all around good relationship. There were stories where they would
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: shake hands, they give each other hugs, like they just
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: like really helped him and Warren like he just accepted
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: their help and they had. I mean, it was probably
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: not the best rely relationship, but as good as it
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: could have gotten.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I think like a Hallmark movie needs to be made
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: about these parents, not necessarily surrounding this case, but like
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: they need to be like characters in a Hallmark movie
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: because they're just like wholesome as fuck. Right, shit, I.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Know they're distrected. I'm going to go on about them.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Let's hear it. I want to hear more good stuff.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say this at the end, but you
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: know what, let's dive in here. So Rena, as I said,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: they were just amazing. I mean they were amazing because
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: they gave Rena so many chances I feel like when
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: she did some not great things. Also with how they
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: handled this Warren situation, and so they turned their grief
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: into a national anti bullying campaign. They shared stories in
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: schools across Canada and really turned their daughter's legacy into
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: something that could help others. Farted, Can you don't smell that?
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: It is just thru our dog is just the worst?
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: So good job, rip the worst. Okay. So shared stories
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: and schools across Canada and really helped turn turn their
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: daughters like still smell it. It's really distracting, like really distracting, Okay,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: So whatever, So they really just like turn their dogs
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: legacy into something to help others, which is just fantastic.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're you're letting your daughter live on that
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: way too, right, which is incredible.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and making it so that maybe something like
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: this doesn't happen to someone else's kid.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Right, hopefully and ideally Yeah wow.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, but and oh my goodness, I'm just gonna have
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: to tell you people this and it's really shitty, but
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I just have to get off my chest, like for
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: them being such awesome people, something else bad really happened.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Oh so, Suman, which is the mom of Rena, I
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: think it was twenty eighteen. I just came across in
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: my research she died from choking in a restaurant. What
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I was, like, what the heck, We're so awesome, they've
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: already been put through the frickin' ringer.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: No kidding.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Can she maybe just go have a nice meal and
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: not choke and not die?
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Right? Oh wow? That's ah. Rena's father is probably just
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: like he lost everything now No.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I mean he still does have two kids, Okay, okay,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: so hopefully they're close it. Actually it's interesting and all
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the research I never came across anything about the other
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: two kids, so that's really.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily a case about them.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: So no, it's not.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I'm sure if you looked them up you could find
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: maybe some stuff about them.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Totally, So that's it for Warren. I'm going to be
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: jumping into the story of Kelly.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: You're ready, I'm ready lay it on me.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Okay. So just to like give a little bit of
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: back history about Kelly, she was definitely had a more stable,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: traditional family upbringing. She was of middle class. Her parents
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: were divorced, but her mom did remarry to a really
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: awesome guy, and she just all around seemed like she
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: had a happy home life, which was unlike Warren. Really well,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, Warren didn't have a bad home life, but
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: it just wasn't quite as traditional as Kelly's. Gotcha, she
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: did hung out, hang out with a rougher crowd, and
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: got in trouble at school. There was other bullying events
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: also reported. One of them, it's just coming back. I
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: don't even have a certain dam just coming back to
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: my brain. But it was just a couple months before Rena,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: and there was a couple other people involved. It wasn't
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: just her, but they attempted to light someone's hair on fire.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: What so, like, this just wasn't the first act. She
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: just wasn't a good she wasn't. I mean, it was
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: just talking about how her upbringing and had a good
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: home life, but she still was a good person.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: So she's known to bully people, tries to light some
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: kid's hair on fire. What did the school system or
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: her parents do about this?
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know because also in the hair lighting incident,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: there was two others involved. They got something happened to them.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't dive too deeply into it, but she didn't
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: get anything.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: What how do you not get anything trying to light
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: hair on fire?
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Of what class she's in, you know, like she's I
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: think she's hanging out with people in lower class, and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: then they're taking the brunt at the blame.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe still her parents be like at home, at home.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: She should Yeah, I don't know. And so yeah, her court,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: her court history is just like a shit show. Like
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I have eleven pages of notes and I'm only on
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: page nine. So we get to spend a little bit
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: of time talking about Kelly, which is so exciting.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Not really because she's a bitch.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: So her or her court started much court incident history whatever,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: so much later it started March two thousand because initially
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: they just appealed the decision to be have her tried
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: as an an adult court h okay, like whatever, Like yeah,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: what are you appealing? She did a terrible thing like
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: that just has to happen.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she I mean, she should be tried in adult court, like,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: no problem, Like, look what she did. She did some
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: very adult shit, and there's like stuff leading up to it.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I one hundred percent agree that she should be tried
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: an adult court. And in fact, they tried to appeal it.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I mean I understand them trying to.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I mean that's good lawyers.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, she did get tried an adult court though. Yeah,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: so I'm glad that they didn't go through the appeal.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: So March two thousand, trial started convicted, and she was
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: convicted of second degree murder. She got life sentenced with
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: at least five years behind bars, which she can before
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: she can apply for parole. But that's the minimum. Remember
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Warren got seven years ago. Yeah, so she honestly should
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: have just stayed at that, but they didn't. In two
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: thousand and three, a new trial was ordered, saying that
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: the crown failed to give her a failed fair trial
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: because apparently the same question was asked to her eighteen
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: different times or.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Something, so she should have the same answer eighteen different times.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So basically a new trial was ordered, but she
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: got to have bail, which I was like, what the
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: freak why does this chicken to have bail? And it
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: was the worst decision they ever could make because she
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: was connected with a beating apparently her she was She
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: was drinking with someone in a Vancouver park. They invited
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: a older like to drink with them, but then all
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, one of them couldn't find their cell phone,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: and so they just right away accused this older woman
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: of stealing it and beat the crap out of her.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Are you serious?
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah? So, like she had, she just hasn't changed. She
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: just hadn't changed at all. So two thousand and four,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: her second trial started. I just have a little quote
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: here because she I don't know, I'm maybe being biased here,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: but she's mean. So this is just like a total
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: mean girl quote. I'm obviously going to be convicted. You
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: got what you wanted. My life is ruined.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Oh her life is ruined. Oh yeah, it's all about
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: her life that's being ruined right now. Wow, Okay, we
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: can definitely tell her attitude perspective.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: So but guess what. That trial ended in a mistrial
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: because the jury couldn't make a decision apparently, out of
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: the twelve people in the jury, eleven were on one
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: side and one was on the other. It didn't say
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: what side they were on, but I'm assuming eleven thought
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: that she was guilty, and I guess one person didn't.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Well, kind of douche Canoe can't realize that there's like,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: she's admitted this stuff.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I know that she.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's killer Kelly. She went around saying and everything.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I mean and yeah, and there was tons of people
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: like witnesses testifying.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: And how do you not Okay, there's literal proof in
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: front of my eyes. I'm not sure, you know.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I find that just weird, like that person fucked up.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: No kidding anyway, and if there was like some bribery
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: or some shit going on, I know, in the scenes.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: And also, I mean, this is probably so wrong of
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: me to say, but if I was in a situation
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: where like eleven people were like so adamant of something
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: that I would just probably be like, yeah.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Like, well, I mean that's not technically right, not.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Right, But like, especially in this case, obviously she's guilty,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Like what are you thinking she's not?
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like she's full and admitted this. There's witnesses, there's
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: evidence like wow.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Anyway, so that was a freaking disaster. So then she
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: gets to have a third trial. Oh man, in two
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: thousand and five, the third trial. So she was fifteen
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: at the first charge. Now she's twenty two.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: So and all this time, other than the one time
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: when she beat the crap, I have an old lady
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: in the park. She's been behind bars.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because after she beat the crap at that
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: it's fifty eight old. Come on, Ben, it's old to me.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I'm thirty.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: After that beating, she did get put back into jail.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: So this two thousand and five trial she gets the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: max she so she gets to she must serve seven
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: years before she can see parole. So I mean, like,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: if she just stayed with this March two thousand thing,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: you know, you would have been better off. Yeah, no kidding, Okay,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: but that's not even it. What There was almost a
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: fourth trial. It went through a lot of steps, but
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: thankfully it was denied apparently the trial judge. It was
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: stated the trial judged not properly instruct the jury. So
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: they even tried to get fourth one. I'm just like,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: how many freaking chances.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Do you need here, no kidding.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: It was eleven years for the case to work through
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: the legal system, which is just, and it was the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: parents I mean had talked about that too, because that
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: it's just like such a long amount of time for
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: them to not really have closed closure, because every time
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: this is in the news or in the trial, there's
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: reporters and stuff and newspeople wanting to contact the parents
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: and like get their opinions. They rest they could not
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: rest I mean the amount of money that this cost,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: tax based stuff, like excuse ma.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Because Kelly's a big old c Next Tuesday.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So she did waive her right for parole four times,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: which I guess is like a common thing to do
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: if if you think that you're not ready, if you
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: don't think you have a chance anyway, well.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: She shouldn't have had a chance.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: She could. She continued to proclaim, you bump the mic
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I did. She continued to proclaim her innocence throughout like
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: numerous years. She never apologized to the family, and apparently
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: she just I don't even understand how this works, but
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: she like for a whole year especially, it was just
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: like a druggie. I don't even understand how they get
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: drugs in prison. But yeah, what the hell, Yeah, that's
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: not even the worst and what she did in.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Prison system, maybe you might want to fucking look into
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: that shit, especially if it's documented that she was a
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: drug an, like a whole.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Year she was like addicted some serious drugs.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Shee wow.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: So yeah so she yeah, just I mean, the opposite
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: of Warren. Really. But in May of twenty sixteen, she
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: finally did apply for day parol, which she was denied.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: But at that point it did seem like some progress
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: was made for her accepting the responsibility of what she did.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I would hope she should have made that progress
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: long time ago.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it took her quite a while. Really, Okay, but this,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: so this is just nuts because saying.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: How can this is nuts? What do you mean we
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: haven't heard anything yet?
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, so how we were just talking about
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: how she got drugs in prison. It was later announced
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen that she had a baby. Kelly had
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: a baby.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, what, Kati, You.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Want to know how this happened?
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: So prior to so mommy and a daddy got together.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, I think you know how that happened. But
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: how she's in prison, how did she like have a baby.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: So she developed a pen pal relationship with a male
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: inmate from a neighboring prison, which I just don't even
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: quite understand how that happens. And it was approved for
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: them to have a private conjugal visit when he was
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: out on day parl And so these conjugal visits, they
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: seem like a normal thing. But I seem it seemed
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: like it was more so. I mean, you get together
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: with your parents. It's just a way of you kind
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: of getting into the groove of one day being able
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: to go back into a normal society. Yeah, but I
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: mean I feel like, how is this approved. I don't
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: feel like it's a you can go have a rendezvous
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: with your friggin.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: A lot of situations of conjugal visits being like your
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: your spouse is coming to visit you.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: In like yeah, so they just have like a little
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: rendezvous in a fancy little cabin, you.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Know, wow, some and good times.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I just don't agree with that.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I don't either, but I mean it is what it is.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: So the following year after she's a mom, she is
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: approved day release for doctor's appointments. Parenting programs, et cetera.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: As her and her baby were living in the prison,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: there's this they have a little area where moms can
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: basically raise their kids in prison. And actually there's some
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: photos that actually clearly nice. So I mean, at least
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: the kid is having a good worth bringing. I guess
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: it's I don't know when you say that they're in prison,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: but I mean it's like a nursery set up in prison,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: so the baby has what it needs.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: You know, it's not the child dud's fault. It's been
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: brought into this world there. So I mean they have
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: a good environment for the kid. That's a good thing.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: So it was reported that the baby had a very
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: positive impact on Kelly's life. It was the best therapy
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: that she could ask for, which I don't really know
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: of having a kid should be like your therapy.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: But you know, I mean as long as it worked.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she I did. I forgot to say this. She
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: did actually change her name from Kelly to Carrie sim
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: She's had a second baby, yes, with the same of course,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: the same dad and as of right now, so she
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: does a LIT. She LIT can live away from a
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: residential facility for up to five days each week, so
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: she's like pretty much out really, So for like two
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: days of the week she is locked up or maybe
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: in like a halfway house or whatever. But for five days, like, yeah,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: she's just a normal person in society with a new
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: name of Carrie sim.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Although she's supposed to be behind bars. Yeah for life, Like,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: like you said, life in prison doesn't mean shit.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: It's not life in prison. I feel like it's almost
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: like the parole date is more so what you get.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know, okay, but this is a quote from
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: the parole board, which I'm going to leave everyone at
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: because it just like it kind of just hit me
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: right in the fields. So the parole board said, the
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: fact that the birth of your child has given you
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: a purpose in life is tragically ironic, as you ended
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: the life of another mother's child.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent, Like that's hitting the nail on the head.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Wow boom oh I know.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, so it's good that she finally realized what
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: she done and her having a kid made her realize that.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: I guess, like it was just good that it got realized.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: But I was just like, but still, she took someone's
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: life about it, thought it was cool didn't apologize for
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: how long and then fought all this time.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: And her being out there was some stipulation she had
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: to follow. She couldn't contact Rena's family, which good, which
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: right there shows that they don't have any relationship, not
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: like Rena's family did with Warren. And she cauldn't be
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: doing any drugs or having alcoholic.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's an everyday person thing. Don't do drugs.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: They're illegal. That shouldn't be like a, hey, just so
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: you know you're not supposed to do drugs. That's just
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: a you should know that already.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: So that's the story, the very tragic story of Rena
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: passing away at fourteen years old.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Wow, all because of bullying.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I know. I mean, And it's kind of the story
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: is good in a way that I'm just hoping it that.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's probably affected other people's decisions to
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: maybe not bully. I hope so, especially the parents did
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: so much work. And the really cool thing actually is
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: so we're putting this out on gosh, what is the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: date of it going to be?
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Well, on Tuesday?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Tuesday, I don't know. Is that the twenty third?
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I think? So I have my calendar here just let
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: me get it. Twenty third, Yeah, it's a twenty third.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: And then the twenty fourth is pink shirt Day.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Funny how that works out?
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Hey, I know, I oh, I'm slipping away from my microphone.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I did not plan that onsoever.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: It works out good though, So we should make sure
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: that we get a photo of us in pink shirts
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: up on Instagram.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: So the story is still carrying on because we're putting
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: out a podcast that's talking about this story. And don't bully,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: don't be a jerk. Just be a kind person.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't be asking too much my life motto. And
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: don't be Kelly.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, be a person like her normal killer Kelly. Don't
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: be a killer Kelly.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Another C word, Kelly.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: So that's a wrap.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, that is a good I mean, not a
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: good case, don't get me wrong. I ask something I meant
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: to say. That was an interesting case. That was a
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: harsh case, but a good episode. Wow.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I will. I'll definitely be putting a
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: picture of Rena up on our Instagram.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: And not Kelly. She can fuck off.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: No, Kelly has just got enough. I feel like she's
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: got too much attention. And it was like, no, I'm
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: done with her, So we'll put up a photo of
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Rina so everyone can see her. And yeah, we'll put
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: something up about Anti Bullying Day and get where can
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: people find us? Ben, Oh, you.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Can find us at Wicked and Grim on Instagram. We
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: gotta get a website. Don here pretty quick too.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Actually boom, Yeah, so go.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Head over, take a look at those Instagram posts and
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: tell everyone, or tell Nicole how she did on her
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: first episode. I think you did.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Awesome, perfect. So that's a wrap, and we'll finish it
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: off with Oh.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Wait, hold on, I can't yet why I told him
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: I was going to say what the next episode was
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: at the beginning, didn't I? I think I did it
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: the next episode. I had someone at work mentioned this
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: to me and I was like, I'm diving into it
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent. It's the Mad Trapper of rat River.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say anything else until you get so.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: But we're going to record this in about five minutes
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: and you guys are going to hear it next week.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: So until then, stay Wicked, Stay Wicked,