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Youth of May | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 39 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Deb icky.
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  Rambles were a couple of friends review, Korean dramas and I'm
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  back for another really emotional episode.
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  I'm sure this is going to be really emotional for both of us.
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  I'm joined by Paloma from dramas Over Flowers podcast.
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  How are you? I'm good.
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  Hello everyone. It's Sam.
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  It's an honor to be invited hijack.
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  Yes, I'm so happy for you to be here.
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  We're going to, I do want to apologize, like upfront because
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  we're going to be reviewing youth of May, and I just want to
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  apologize. Like, I'm so sorry that I made.
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  You watch this show in its entirety and I'm just sorry.
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  Sorry, I'm so sorry. Um, no.
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  It was on my bucket list. Kind of I you just give you the
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  actual reason he needed to give me the push, I needed to finally
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  got you. So for those who haven't
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  listened to dramas Over Flowers for some odd reason, I'm just
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  going to ask you. How did you get into K?
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  Dramas like what's your origin story?
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  My origin story was that I was strict but by Michael cause she
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  told me. So, we bought bonded over
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  fantasy books, so the stuff and dragons and like Wizards and
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  stuff. At one point, we were both
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  hooked on that. Colin Morgan, Wizardry show
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  Merlin, right. We were big fun girls.
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  She got me like signed photographs and stuff from like
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  conferences. That's how--that's.
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  That was our friendship and then at one point some like 10 more
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  than 10 years ago. Now she was like, you know, I
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  think you're going to like this Drama.
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  It's a Korean drama. Watch it.
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  And in my head, anything Korean was very much film centered.
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  I had no idea what Korean dramas were.
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  I just thought, like, I don't know, like Asian movies, they
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  really complicated movies that come out during award season.
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  So, something like, just a, you only hear about them at, like,
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  these artsy film viewing. It's all right.
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  I had a very annoying cousin who was really into East Asian
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  movies and she was the art serious personal.
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  News. So I just had a bad Association.
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  I like the cousin, like your faves.
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  Yeah. Okay, so she was trying to get
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  me to watch coffee prince but what I ended up watching first
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  was your beautiful and it was nothing like what I was
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  expecting. It was my different and I was I
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  was hooked. I think I stumbled a little of
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  the first episode because I just I couldn't I was so used to
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  Western depiction of women that go minam or other go menu.
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  We played by Buck. Whoa.
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  Whoa. Oh my God.
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  Bachchan is functioning. Yeah, I can't believe are four
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  quarters me for a second. I'll play by box and he was
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  really different. Like she was so gentle and she
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  was kind of like a bunny rabbit and I was like, where do I give
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  you what you bought something? That shows a full-grown woman
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  like this. And then I actually started
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  watching the rest of the drama and I'm it broke.
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  A lot of my preconceptions preconceived notions.
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  Yeah. And like really broke them, like
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  just smashed them to Smithereens.
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  And I was grateful, because if finally opened up space for me
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  to watch stories that were at, because I was desperately
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  waiting for, I don't know. Indian movies to just make
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  content that appeals to me more. Western television, western
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  movies to make content that work for more but I couldn't find
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  them. I did find stuff that I liked in
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  books, but you finish books really fast and your favorite
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  authors don't write, you know, new installations offer enough,
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  so you're starved but kdrama land was not only giving me a
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  new type of Storytelling. They was so prolific they were
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  coming out with like a teen dramas every court at that
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  point. Now it's like a teen dramas
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  every week but But it was just it was like a smorgasbord and I
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  was just kind of handed a fork. So thank you, sir.
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  She totally made me expect that. I was, I don't know.
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  I was expecting something more fantasy who needed a ride.
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  I don't know why. She told me how she knew that
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  this would work for me but I think eventually in our more
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  recent conversations, we kind of figured out that we have found
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  in our experience that the most die-hard career My fans also
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  tend to be people who really love literature and that could
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  be genres Pacific literature, or it could be just smutty
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  literature. I could be Bromance, it could be
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  three, right? Could be Space Opera anything,
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  but they really like storytelling and wow, that's,
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  that's, that's okay. Wow, I love your story.
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  Thank you for sharing. And the whole thing about the
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  people that love kdramas tend to like literature.
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  You're talking to a reformed English, major, and I for most
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  of my career, I was in publishing so there's that
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  Funny, you should mention your beautiful and coffee prince,
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  because we're covering both this season of the podcast because we
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  keep going back in time to Dupree 2015 kdramas because I
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  don't know if you've seen this sentiment online.
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  Yeah, those. Yeah, those are really good
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  ones, but the sentiment I've seen online is that people don't
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  want to watch older kdramas. I can't watch anything.
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  That's pre 2015. Like it's just paint.
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  And I'm like, okay, so obvious people Well, I don't want to
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  name any names but even though I don't have any names.
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  But I'm here to say it just to advocate for these older
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  kdramas, and I love to revisit some of these ones.
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  Like you're beautiful and coffee prince.
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  So keep an eye on the feed because we're going to go back
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  in time. Again, the first few kdramas
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  that we did this season were pre 2015, but not as far back as
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  coffee prince. So we're going to keep going.
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  But this this one that we're going to review today, youth of
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  May is not pre 2015, it is closer in time to the present
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  day release, even though it is kind of retro because of, you
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  know, when it takes place and stuff.
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  So, thank you, Paloma. I am so excited for you to be
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  here and we're going to do some housekeeping, really fast.
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  Thank you so much for being here.
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  And without further Ado we're going to get into the
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  non-spoiler section of Youth of May.
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  So I'll read the Asian Wiki synopsis and it goes like this
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  in May 1980 during the turbulent times of the Guangzhou Uprising.
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  Heath am young, I fall in love their love, seems destined by
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  Fate. Hitha is a medical student who
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  entered medical school at the top of his class.
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  He seems like an easygoing person but he also has an
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  unyielding spirit and obstinacy. See Myung Yi has worked as a
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  nurse for the past three years. She is a lovely person who
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  stands up against what is not fair.
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  So this show aired originally from May to June 20 21, of
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  course it aired in May, it is 12 episodes long, not that long at
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  all and it is directed by song Mean.
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  Yep. He's directed doctor prisoner
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  from 2019, my drama list. Also lists heed that edict young
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  as a Doctor. I have no idea if that's
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  accurate but I figured I'd just mention it.
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  Here you have made was written by econ and they did.
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  They also wrote spy from 2015. So I do want to point out that
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  these, these people like the directors potential directors,
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  multiple and the writer are kind of largely untested.
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  They don't have a lot to their filmography these and econ like
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  the Spy thing from Tony. 50, obviously, it's about a spy for
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  North Korea. So I think this is kind of in
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  their wheelhouse if you think about it that way, but yeah, not
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  a lot to go off of in terms of what they did before Youth of a
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  but let's talk about. Yeah, let's talk about this cast
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  though. So we have either here on he
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  plays, he thinks he's had a wonderful gear because he has
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  starred in The Glory from It flakes.
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  So we've seen him consistently from twenty twenty two, twenty
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  three, twenty three in that show.
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  He's been in Melancholia. Sweet Home 18 Again hotel de
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  luna clean with passion for now and still 17.
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  This is basically my introduction to either he owned.
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  I don't know if. Yeah.
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  I had not seen him in anything else.
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  I had like totally like bypassed all of these kdramas.
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  Well, I did. Yeah.
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  So well, I hate to say, like I bypass them.
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  But I saw him in the glory when part 1 aired.
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  So at the end of 2020 to I saw him, and then which I was like,
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  okay, we have to see more with either he on in it because he's
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  amazing in the glory. And then I started watching this
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  show, Almost concurrently to the glory part to like, very close
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  to 1 part 2, weird, and that was, that's basically all that I
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  had seen him and I hadn't seen still 17.
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  I hadn't seen him in a hotel. DeLuna.
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  Even though I dropped hotel de luna and hadn't seen sweet home
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  yet. So yeah, I like basically never
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  had seen either, he on until this year us live connection
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  that so still 17 was the American one that application
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  was 18. Again.
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  That's why I'm so sorry. 18 again which is your livestock
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  correct. Still 17 is the one.
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  What is his name from High School Musical?
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  You know, I know I love him so much or at least at that point.
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  I did. It has Chancellor in it.
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  He's a grown-up version. Oh my God, Chandler younger
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  ones, named Zach, no, Zach Efron.
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  Yes I got it. That's right.
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  Yeah, yeah. So they adapted the still 17,
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  movie into a kdrama and so he Stars either he on stars in that
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  back in 2018 T to that. Yeah, so you had seen him In
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  that show. Yeah, I figured I'd foster home
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  and tell people 17, and okay. I ended up watching every one of
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  his dramas. Just, I wasn't looking for him,
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  but I was just watching everything that he was in.
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  I was watching sweet home, I was watching.
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  Oh, what is that drama that, he their hotel de luna where
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  initially because I had seen him as this supporting roles best
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  friend kind of like a really minor But in 3117, so very easy
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  to sort of Passover. And he was a young boy in that
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  point. And so right after that, I think
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  I saw him in Hotel Del Luna, hurt her.
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  Ha ha Hotel Del Luna where he was the past, love of the main
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  protagonist and he was in his proper Warrior Garb and stuff
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  with like the hair and that is very deeper but it's, I did not
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  recognize him at first. He it's like he had a sudden
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  growth spurt or something. But um, he didn't I mean I think
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  it was just like a your apart but just the this this guy, he
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  has, he chooses his projects. Well, he didn't he tends to
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  really focus on the emotional core of his characters like he
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  wants characters. Will he can cry and laugh and
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  like, properly amort. He does not go for like
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  straightforward. Tchibo leak are honestly his
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  character in. Theory is like the most
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  conventional character. He's chosen as you like he's
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  basically Archibald savior of the hero in which is you know,
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  but I say let us say let's Okay. Okay so yeah are we I loved
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  watching him grow as an actor, I loved seeing him in these
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  projects but I just wasn't expecting him and he would just
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  crop up and then I started looking out for his project.
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  Objects. And I think the first thing that
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  I watched for him was Melancholia which turned out to
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  not exactly what I was expecting, but the cost was so
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  good. I actually ended up watching the
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  entire drama. I for anybody who's watched
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  Melancholia and probably knows why I have reservations.
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  Listen, we can talk and I will agree with all your points.
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  It just that I really like either here in and I really like
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  the actress. He was cast opposite.
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  She was the one from such ww and oh my God, I can't mm so John,
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  uh-huh. So I kind of have to watch it
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  for them. I couldn't I couldn't escape it.
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  But yeah, all of that to say is that I've had people for me on
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  my list for a while. And so when Jazz was like, do
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  you want her to God? And I'm just so damn astronomers
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  like oh okay. So maybe it's time I actually
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  broke my heart. Um, yeah.
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  And that's putting it lightly. Is that?
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  Oh yeah just broke my heart. You casually.
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  It's like you do your own says, right.
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  Like when you when you're when you're it's like it's like he
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  said to his lady. I'm ready to have my heart
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  broken. Like I'm ready to be in pain
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  because it's yeah. Okay, well talking about his
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  lady, his leading lady is going C and she plays Miyagi, I had
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  seen her in a lot actually show. She was in my sassy girl from
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  2017. She's been in.
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  Welcome to Waikiki from 2018. The smile has left her eyes.
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  Both love alarm Seasons, sweet home.
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  And most recently in Gigi sohn in 2021.
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  I really enjoyed seeing her in the which part 1, the
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  subversion, which is a movie from 2018.
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  So yeah. How do you see a possibility?
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  That's the only one. I remember Hood in every Yes,
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  she's beating every. I have watched all of these
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  numbers that you just mentioned. I don't remember.
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  I don't know. I remember Lion, the Witch, and
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  this is a phenomenal actor. Yay.
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  I can't believe that she liked it.
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  The Youth of me came out in 2021, right?
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  I can't believe she hasn't been at least in like, I don't know
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  30 other projects that I agree. I agree with that.
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  Like what happened in the last year and a half or so?
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  Why. I haven't I seen her in more and
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  I'm Big O project. Honestly I think in do some she
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  was you know really to reminder role I think Okay, honestly
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  didn't watch enough of this on purpose but but I mean I'm glad
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  Sweet Home is coming up but there's nothing else like uh,
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  huh? Uh, huh?
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  Yeah, yeah, so I agree with ya. She was also the shaman in
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  decision to leave from 2022, which is a parktronic movie,
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  which I have not seen yet. Yeah.
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  You're like. All right.
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  Um, So, I have also some Supporting Cast members but I'll
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  just mention them briefly. So we have e seunggi.
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  You play switch on effectively the second male lead and of
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  course you had a really great year with Hometown Cha-cha-cha
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  and he's been a new me cells crash course in Romance when the
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  Camellia blooms suits. So, he's been in a lot of
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  supporting roles throughout the years.
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  We also have Gloom static as Sudan which is she plays song.
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  These sister in the show and she has been in quite a few movies.
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  And you might have seen her in the age of Shadows.
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  The Last Princess Love Lies assassination, the silence.
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  These are all really poignant movies.
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  So I highly suggest watching any one of these.
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  I actually covered love lies on the patreon feed, so she plays
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  an adult gisaeng and assassination, like, cut me up,
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  that's another one where she was.
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  It's like up. She Is bit parts and some of
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  these movies, but the movies themselves are amazing.
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  So I can only deduce that she picks really great projects.
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  I don't see how to make just of love that.
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  I have not seen the interest of love yet.
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  I've been too busy but I heard terrible things about the show.
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  No, give it a chance. Listen, if you can sit through
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  youth of me, actually. Oh my God.
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  Bad. Don't say that.
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  That's, that's a completely unfair.
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  That's not true. You do of me doesn't like stab
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  you constantly. Throughout its run time, whether
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  the interest of Love kind of does, and it's one of those
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  dramas that you watch. Not, okay, I was about to say
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  because you enjoy pain and that sounded wrong.
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  Now the mask it's because you are okay with like feeling those
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  like the banks that the drama gives you its, you gotcha.
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  On the one hand, it's like really interesting writing on
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  the other hand, by the second half.
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  You really confused about why the lytic is like this However,
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  when it comes to this actress, Comes The Rock was.
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  I think the standout performer, all the actors cast was so good,
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  but booms, Iraq. She turned.
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  What could have been a very conventional Petty jealous?
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  Secondly, there's character, I mean, the writing was good, they
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  handed her really great deal and she turned out to be, she turned
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  out phenomenal. I have so much respect for her
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  the way she portrayed the character and also just Just
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  disappear have a lot of Goodwill towards all right.
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  Now, I'm coming off the interest of Love.
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  Yeah, I think this is my season to watch dramas, that just like
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  stab you. In the last, what, two bonds are
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  washed away, too many of these right now, my God.
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  And then, like youth of May on top of it.
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  Okay. Yeah, so the last three names,
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  I'll shout out is, um, yossef who plays what's her name?
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  Come said Oakes. Dad in the show.
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  He's an odd Russia. You've seen him in so many other
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  projects. I can't even sit here and name
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  them. There's so many you have chemo.
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  And hey, who plays miyagi's dad? So government sees dad also
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  another Audra. She who have you seen a million
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  times? He's amazing.
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  And then I'll shout out. All men suck as honking.
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  Mm and he plays. He tased add effectively the
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  villain. Yes sir.
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  I think we've come to the The end of who the cast is and the
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  director and the writer. So, Bottom.
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  I like what did you think of Youth of me?
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  I don't know. It defies description.
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  I listen, it's hmm for the main leads alone.
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  I would probably watch this drama again, knowing exactly
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  where each bead Falls knowing exactly where my heart breaks
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  and where its source, I would wash it again, the performance
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  was Truly something. Remarkable.
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  But also let me just get this out there, being an
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  international viewer. I'm always fascinated when an
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  entire show has characters speaking in full Regional
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  accent. Oh yeah, this Saturday here was
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  the gwangju saw that he was was mad like I have no idea how
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  accurate it was. What I do know is that they it
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  really helps with the emotional delivery of certain lines like
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  they felt they pulled more because it was spoken in South
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  Korea and I I just I love listening to the dialogue.
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  It was like more musical to me more emotional to me.
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  So yeah, what did I think of it? I could not tell you.
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  I definitely enjoyed it. I enjoyed it a lot.
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  I was not because I was prepared for certain things.
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  I think I enjoyed it more. More.
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  I really genuinely, don't think I don't.
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  We will keep this for the spoiler but okay, no problem, no
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  problem. If it's too spoilery, don't say
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  it yet. So you do you kind of mixed
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  feelings about the show because it was so heightened.
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  No, strong positive feelings. I got you admired everything
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  about it. I can't really nitpick about a
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  trauma like this? Yeah, so the only thing that I
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  would say definitively is that I would recommend this drama to
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  vary. A few people, and only if they
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  have shown that they are in the sort of mental space to watch a
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  certain kind of drama. So, this is not a drama that I
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  would go around, like, pushing people into a cave and locking
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  them. They agree.
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  Yeah, this isn't a one-size-fits-all show.
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  I think you do need to have a strong foundation in kdramas and
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  have watched maybe some of the other sort of period piece.
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  Is in kdrama right now. I'm not talking necessarily
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  about the socks and the ones that happened in the Charleston
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  Dynasty and stuff like that. I really do feel like if you've
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  watched some things that are in the 90s, like I don't know what
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  supplies 2521 is and is instead in the 90s.
• 23:13
  So if you've seen stuff in that era, I think you might be okay
• 23:18
  to start some of these that are set in the 80s which are way
• 23:22
  more politically charged and Way more high stakes and have a lot
• 23:28
  more that you might need to look up, or understand to get grasped
• 23:33
  the full like, importance and nature of what these characters
• 23:39
  are going through. So, I agree completely, I would
• 23:43
  never like sit here and be like, you got to watch you two met and
• 23:46
  you just watched, I don't know crash-landing on you yesterday.
• 23:49
  So no, that's not. I don't think you could handle
• 23:52
  it. So, Be, I walked into this
• 23:58
  knowing, that it was a sad story.
• 24:01
  Okay, that was like, the full extent that I that I knew about
• 24:06
  the show is that it had a sad story and these two had a
• 24:11
  romance going. So I was like, okay, great.
• 24:14
  Then I get into, it's in 1980. First of all, it's like right in
• 24:20
  1980 and I go, this is not looking good.
• 24:22
  This is not looking good at all. I was Like so I thought it was
• 24:26
  like late 80s, like, maybe 88-89 know.
• 24:29
  It is like 1980. So I go, oh shit.
• 24:34
  This is not gonna end well, then I kind of felt like this was,
• 24:41
  how do I put it like each episode was sort of gaining a
• 24:46
  lot of momentum and having a lot of juice and sort of Leaning
• 24:53
  into some sort of disaster that's going to happen later in
• 24:58
  the show. I don't think it takes like a
• 25:00
  rocket scientist kind of understand like the workings of
• 25:03
  the writing and how they structured each episode and how
• 25:07
  they're focusing a lot on the date.
• 25:10
  And oh, this person can only come, you know, get transferred
• 25:14
  to the hospital on this date. And I'm like it seems like dates
• 25:17
  are really important so then I think around episode 6 or 7 I
• 25:24
  was like, I know exactly what's going to happen.
• 25:27
  Like it just hit me from, you know, all these years of
• 25:30
  watching kdramas and knowing about certain historical things,
• 25:35
  like the kwangju uprising Sasha Massacre, I was like, oh shit,
• 25:40
  this is going to culminate in this Guangzhou Uprising
• 25:44
  happening in the middle of everything and it's going to be
• 25:48
  a train wreck. And so I said to myself, I did.
• 25:51
  This Tick Tock around episode, I was just about to watch episode
• 25:54
  9. And I kind of said, I said this
• 25:59
  feels like watching the Titanic for the first time.
• 26:03
  This feels like watching Jack and Rose board, the Titanic and
• 26:07
  you're like, I freaking love this.
• 26:09
  Love story, but I'm waiting for them to hit the iceberg, right?
• 26:15
  This is what it felt like to watch this show.
• 26:17
  Like to a tee, and I would not recommend And like a Titanic is
• 26:23
  one of those like Global. Like everybody knows what
• 26:25
  happened and it felt like very similar like, you know, they're
• 26:29
  focusing on the date a lot in the Titanic and they're focusing
• 26:33
  on the date a lot in Youth of May and you're just devastated
• 26:39
  by the end of the show and I loved the show, but I don't know
• 26:45
  if I would ever watch it again. I might do the same thing as I
• 26:52
  do watching the Titanic which is I'll watch the first hour and a
• 26:55
  half, right? As soon as they hit the iceberg,
• 27:00
  I'm like okay I'm out like that's I can't watch anymore
• 27:04
  because who wants to go through that heartbreak and Devastation
• 27:10
  all over again. So for my mental health, this is
• 27:14
  a form of self care. If I ever watched youth of me
• 27:16
  again, I'll probably stop watching.
• 27:18
  Being around episode 8 or 9. Because anything war is, it's
• 27:24
  just torture. This is so sad and this is not
• 27:28
  to spoil anything about what happens in the end.
• 27:32
  We will talk about that in the spoiler section, but I just
• 27:35
  found that this show was, how do I put it severely tragic?
• 27:43
  That's all I'll say. Yeah, so yeah, I loved it but it
• 27:48
  was It was painful, extremely painful.
• 27:52
  Like you said, the cast was amazing.
• 27:54
  I thought the acting was fantastic.
• 27:57
  I thought the writing was unassailable, I thought they did
• 28:00
  very well pacing this, and building them up and tearing
• 28:05
  them down. And the villain was a proper
• 28:10
  villian. And the circumstances are, you
• 28:15
  know, that's the conceit of the show, right?
• 28:17
  Is that they're star-crossed lovers and they have no idea.
• 28:21
  You're literally watching like a Romeo and Juliet thing play out.
• 28:24
  You're like, I don't know how to help.
• 28:27
  There's no way to help them, like you can't undo, what's
• 28:30
  happened? And I actually thought Going
• 28:36
  into the final few episodes. That maybe they would do like, a
• 28:39
  revisionist. Take on the gwangju massacre.
• 28:43
  Like, have you seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?
• 28:46
  That my have, but with the one I was thinking of was Moonlight
• 28:52
  drawn by close. Yes.
• 28:57
  But that's an alternate title. Yeah, yeah.
• 29:05
  Write that data to revision over there.
• 29:07
  And I think they had to because the final like third of the
• 29:13
  drama had like really started lagging.
• 29:15
  And people were like, coming out with pitchforks.
• 29:17
  Like after this, you J was a sad ending.
• 29:22
  Yeah. So I thought maybe they'll do
• 29:25
  revisionist. Take on this terrible atrocity,
• 29:30
  that happened in night. May 19 1980.
• 29:33
  And no, no, no, no. No, they they do not do that.
• 29:37
  So oh God. I don't know what else to say.
• 29:42
  Like, I don't think we can. Well, let's talk about the
• 29:44
  gwangju uprising and maybe some comps.
• 29:49
  If you don't want to dive in to Youth of May.
• 29:52
  Right now, like maybe some of these other ones might be okay
• 29:56
  for you to, like, kind of dip your feet into this era of
• 30:00
  Korean history, but so the gwangju uprising.
• 30:05
  In between May 18th and May 27th 1980.
• 30:09
  The uprising was one of the largest uprisings in the country
• 30:12
  as students rebelled against the authoritarian government.
• 30:16
  Because at the time, it was a military dictatorship.
• 30:19
  Nearly a quarter of a million people participated in the
• 30:22
  rebellion. And although it was brutally
• 30:24
  repressed, and initially unsuccessful bringing about
• 30:28
  democratic reform in South Korea, it's considered to be
• 30:31
  such a huge pivotal moment in the South Korean struggle for
• 30:34
  Democracy. This is really annoying to me,
• 30:37
  but I'll say this, say this, these numbers is that officially
• 30:43
  over 100 people were killed. However, it's estimated from
• 30:49
  gwangju, citizens that the death toll is over without like
• 30:53
  several thousand. So the government's numbers are
• 30:57
  about like a little over 100 people died.
• 30:59
  And in reality it's probably thousands of people were
• 31:03
  murdered You mentioned this before we started the podcast
• 31:08
  but yes, the US government had a hand in the gwangju uprising
• 31:12
  because at the time there was a strong military presence from
• 31:16
  the US in Korea, there still is because it was not too far
• 31:20
  removed from the Korean War. And so the government, the
• 31:26
  corrupt authoritarian government did get permission from the u.s.
• 31:31
  to do this. This Uprising took While the
• 31:35
  uprising and gwangju with Federal soldiers, basically not
• 31:40
  like local police or anything. And the US said, yeah, sure.
• 31:43
  Do what you have to do. So there is that to be perfectly
• 31:47
  Fair. They were federally funded
• 31:49
  soldiers. They weren't like American
• 31:51
  soldiers. So yeah.
• 31:52
  It was local soldiers but like federally-funded, they exactly.
• 31:56
  Yeah. The other interesting thing that
• 31:58
  I found out a while back was that the u.s. always claimed
• 32:03
  that the Information. They were getting from the South
• 32:06
  Korean government at the time was basically misinformation.
• 32:10
  They had like, basically mischaracterized the uprising.
• 32:14
  He were saying, I have no doubt, I have no doubt.
• 32:18
  He was saying that it's spreading everywhere.
• 32:20
  They go to destabilize the government and around that time,
• 32:23
  they have the US was involved in what I don't want to get too
• 32:28
  much into it. But basically the Middle Eastern
• 32:30
  politics happening and Rebellions and uprisings were
• 32:36
  spreading massively and they didn't want a similar situation
• 32:40
  happening in Korea where they had a really strong base and
• 32:42
  they wanted to keep that base because of China and Russia.
• 32:46
  And so while they say that it was a misrepresentation that
• 32:50
  caused them to, you know, they don't exactly say they gave the
• 32:54
  go-ahead but hero it's an excuse that's used.
• 32:57
  It's also being admitted and said that the u.s. knew that,
• 33:02
  you know, What South Korea was saying, wasn't actually true.
• 33:05
  But it supported because the Red Scare was still very much
• 33:10
  present. Yes, baby.
• 33:13
  Yeah. So they were like, we kind of
• 33:15
  know this government. They are brutal and all of that
• 33:18
  but it's a devil. We know we don't want this
• 33:20
  destabilize. So we will just quell the
• 33:22
  students instead. So that's kind of like a
• 33:24
  background on ya little bit of u.s. involvement.
• 33:29
  Yes. So the Guangzhou uprising, How
• 33:34
  do I put it? It paved the way for, like, the
• 33:37
  1988, 89 the Democracy that came in, but this is the Titanic that
• 33:46
  I'm talking about. Then, you know, in the show,
• 33:50
  everything's leading up to May teenth and the days that follow
• 33:56
  and it's pretty impressive to see how they recreated this in.
• 34:01
  What I consider, painstaking detail.
• 34:03
  Detail too. And they didn't even go as far
• 34:07
  as they could have with the uprising.
• 34:10
  And if you see some footage from the uprising you're like, this
• 34:14
  is like it puts it stiffens you because you're just like, oh my
• 34:18
  God, they didn't go as far as they could have at all but they
• 34:23
  presented it as well as they they could have.
• 34:27
  Like, considering you can't put everything you want to on TV in
• 34:31
  Korea. There are like certain Laws and
• 34:33
  regulations that you have to follow.
• 34:35
  And the director said, I thought that I had to approach it
• 34:41
  carefully. In general I wanted to express
• 34:43
  the truth without any inaccuracies or distortions if
• 34:46
  you watch youth of Navy is intendant's aren't portrayed in
• 34:49
  detail which I would agree. They're not in detail, it's not
• 34:52
  gratuitous but you know it is to get the point.
• 34:56
  It gets the point across for sure.
• 34:59
  He also says there are still people around us who have
• 35:01
  experiences and thoughts of those incidents.
• 35:03
  It's, although they may each have different memories.
• 35:05
  It's something we can't make up. As we please, I approached it
• 35:08
  carefully so I think that's pretty.
• 35:12
  He seemed to have wanted to take as much of a respectful angle on
• 35:17
  it as possible and even as a foreign viewer I I sort of
• 35:22
  understood that while watching you know he didn't go full James
• 35:28
  Cameron with it like you know if you watch Titanic but yeah.
• 35:34
  Do you have any thoughts about was really smart in keeping the
• 35:39
  lens of the story entirely focused on this couple?
• 35:43
  And their immediate surroundings, it's like a
• 35:46
  spotlight. Following just them around.
• 35:48
  Like the uprising was happening around them.
• 35:50
  Everything was happening around them.
• 35:51
  But instead of telling the story of the uprising, he was telling
• 35:54
  the story of these two people caught, you know, within this
• 35:59
  situation. Yeah.
• 36:00
  So that that is smart. I don't actually think the story
• 36:05
  ever reviewers away from, you know, this Central concede like
• 36:11
  it never becomes like, you know, long montages of like, military
• 36:16
  operation happening or like, you know, rebellions and other
• 36:19
  parts. That's simply not the focus of
• 36:21
  the story. The focus of the story is like,
• 36:23
  vulnerability of like innocent people living their lives
• 36:27
  dreaming, their dreams, having their homes falling in love.
• 36:31
  And, you know, sort of Resisting the petty operations of family
• 36:36
  and social class. And then suddenly having like
• 36:39
  the tsunami sweeping them their feet.
• 36:42
  It's it's kind of like it's like the tiny existence of people
• 36:50
  versus like an inevitable tragedy.
• 36:54
  It's yeah I thought he was very smart in the way he wrote the
• 36:57
  story. Yeah I'm sorry I don't actually
• 36:59
  know who wrote the story. Oh no.
• 37:01
  That was the director of those talking about.
• 37:03
  About kind of how he worked in worked about.
• 37:06
  It was the screen guard. It was he going, I'm sorry.
• 37:08
  Mmm. Yeah, so there are some other
• 37:11
  key dramas, they cover this era of the 1980s and that would be
• 37:16
  probably like, reply 1988, which also has like one of the, one of
• 37:21
  the girls. The sister of the main character
• 37:25
  is a protester in like 1988. And so that's a huge deal and
• 37:29
  the family dealing with that and being very fearful of the
• 37:32
  consequences. Is of her being involved in
• 37:36
  this, these political rallies and stuff like that.
• 37:38
  You could also if you feel so inclined, watch Snowdrop which
• 37:43
  is sort of a bastardization of this era as well.
• 37:47
  We do have a scathing review of Snowdrop on the feed if you want
• 37:53
  to scroll back in your podcast feed, I was telling bottom up we
• 37:56
  just really ripped into Snowdrop not because of like the story.
• 38:03
  Or e or the premise or anything about it.
• 38:05
  It was like the execution and the decisions that they made
• 38:10
  were just not not okay. So we had a really fun time
• 38:14
  actually watching so dress by the political problems and
• 38:19
  discussions around. That story.
• 38:21
  I think the drama would have had a lot more supportive.
• 38:25
  Her actually told a cohesive story, if the story itself was
• 38:29
  good, if I don't like I'm telling you, we I went through
• 38:34
  it watching Snowdrop and trying to not.
• 38:38
  I mean anyway long story short, go back to scroll back in your
• 38:43
  podcast feed solution. So that one it was interesting.
• 38:47
  So I think we've come to the end of our general thoughts on youth
• 38:50
  of May. And at this point, we're going
• 38:52
  to break for spoilers because it's just time.
• 38:57
  It's way too high time that we get into spoilers.
• 38:59
  So if you care to be spoiled, don't listen on.
• 39:03
  If you don't care and you've watched get the met before stick
• 39:06
  around, we'll be right back after this.
• 39:15
  You want to come in? Okay, bottom.
• 39:17
  What we're on the other side of spoiler.
• 39:18
  So, anything goes, what would you like to talk about first in
• 39:23
  this spoiler section? Oh, I think, okay, so I know
• 39:33
  there is a thing that happens, so the end of the drama that is,
• 39:38
  it's a tragedy that we've been talking about, like, the
• 39:40
  Heartbreak and all of that stuff.
• 39:41
  Mmm, I'm the our beam couple he pay and monkey, they don't know
• 39:49
  that that's coming. What they, so they don't know
• 39:53
  that. There's a time limit on their
• 39:54
  romance, but they actually had a different time limit on their
• 39:57
  romance like young, he had Ambitions of going and studying
• 40:02
  medicine abroad. So when they first met each
• 40:05
  other, which by the way we have to talk about how absurd your
• 40:08
  daughter will their first meeting.
• 40:09
  Oh my God, stop. When they decided that they
• 40:16
  would date kind of finally, it was with the understanding that
• 40:21
  this is like a limited time. They would be together for a
• 40:24
  limited time before, right? He left and this intensity of
• 40:31
  their relationship was because if you think about it, it was
• 40:34
  just a matter of what 3 or 4 weeks that they knew each other.
• 40:37
  But yeah, so tality of their. Yes, and shape of like, from the
• 40:41
  moment, he How fast the very end and the repercussions like the
• 40:46
  Resonance of that that lasted for decades afterwards.
• 40:50
  It's just God something. As and the I loved your
• 40:54
  comparison to the Titanic because oh my God, exactly the
• 40:58
  same. There was an artificial sort of
• 41:01
  like limit to their relationship because Rose was engaged to this
• 41:05
  asshat brand, right? And they always knew that their
• 41:10
  relationship was like, not. Thing that could last but they
• 41:13
  didn't realize that that was not the I wasn't getting.
• 41:17
  Yeah. It wasn't it.
• 41:18
  Yeah. But that also intensified their
• 41:20
  relationship as brief as, you know, fleeting ephemeral as it
• 41:24
  was. And I'm not yeah, yeah.
• 41:28
  She's going to go to Germany to study abroad and become a
• 41:32
  doctor, I believe. And I was like, why does she
• 41:35
  want to go to Germany in 1980? I was like, oh my God.
• 41:39
  Who wants to do that? But anyway, I think he's in it
• 41:44
  at one point because, yeah, wouldn't let you take admission
• 41:49
  unless you studying to be a doctor.
• 41:50
  I think she was going there to be a nurse though, because
• 41:53
  that's because she made that distinction like Kareem medical
• 41:58
  schools only let you apply if you're studying to be a doctor.
• 42:02
  So that's right. Yeah.
• 42:04
  I think that she was like I don't want to be a full-on
• 42:06
  doctor, but I like I wanted to agree.
• 42:08
  So she was like, I'll just study abroad because The system wasn't
• 42:12
  set up for her and it essentially.
• 42:16
  So he asks her, why don't we State for the for the entirety
• 42:21
  of may? Like, let's just State until the
• 42:23
  end of May? And I was, I mean, he's
• 42:27
  adorable. When he's when he asked her
• 42:28
  this, he's like halfway drunk, he's been serenading her on the
• 42:31
  guitar. And she's like, I'll let you
• 42:34
  know when you're sober. And that just kind of kicks off
• 42:37
  the rest of their sort of Quick Romeo and Juliet, ask love story
• 42:44
  because yes they fall in love in the span of like really in a few
• 42:49
  days, they're in love with each other, like irrevocably in love
• 42:52
  with each other. It is They cannot be separated
• 42:57
  even though they end up getting really just put through the
• 43:01
  wringer. Even before May 18th comes
• 43:03
  around, they are devoted to each other.
• 43:07
  So it's but you believe it. I think this is the great.
• 43:12
  The great thing that the show did is that I fully believe in
• 43:15
  their love story and in their Devotion to one another and that
• 43:20
  they you know, sometimes you watch a kdrama and people fall
• 43:23
  in love and you're like I don't really get Get like why these
• 43:26
  two are together. I don't get like why they sort
• 43:28
  of gravitated to one another and like I don't really I don't get
• 43:33
  it like, why? I don't believe it.
• 43:35
  I don't buy in, I bought in completely.
• 43:39
  So I bought stock, I was setting up shop.
• 43:43
  I was like ready to go, and you mentioned their meat, cute, like
• 43:48
  their me, cute is so cute. What is it?
• 43:53
  She It's a fake. Dating Trope, mistaken, identity
• 43:58
  Trope, she goes to, yes she goes exactly like business proposal.
• 44:04
  She takes her friend's place on this blind date and he sees her
• 44:10
  like performing emergency of help on this kid that just got
• 44:16
  run over in the street right near the hotel but they were
• 44:19
  supposed to meet at and he's in the middle of a full-on panic
• 44:23
  attack because he As trauma of his own.
• 44:27
  And he even though he's a doctor he's like paralyzed and can't do
• 44:30
  anything but she jumps into action and she looks fabulous
• 44:34
  doing it. I'm helping this kid in the
• 44:37
  street and he spends like a few minutes waiting for her in the
• 44:42
  lobby of this in this Cafe area in this hotel, thinking I really
• 44:48
  need to. I hope I mean to meet that girl
• 44:50
  again because she was amazing and lo and behold she sits down
• 44:53
  for the first date. I'm like, oh my God, like, he's
• 44:57
  immediately like, oh my God. Hey, it's her.
• 45:01
  So thrilled out like everything. See, the episode ends at just
• 45:06
  him grinning ear to your like staring at hoping, like Chuck
• 45:11
  Potter. I like how how is this miracle?
• 45:18
  And it's perfect because Everything from the music to
• 45:23
  just the way the camera Zooms in on either humans face and just
• 45:27
  doesn't leave because land. Is this guy has such great
• 45:30
  control over his facial expressions.
• 45:32
  Oh my God, I'm going to use my own.
• 45:36
  He is sitting there very confused about this guy who's
• 45:39
  just staring at her and Grand Greening so hard.
• 45:43
  Oh my God, that's perfect. So he immediately attaches
• 45:47
  himself to her and everything that she tries to do Very
• 45:51
  similar to business proposal. She's trying to stink the date
• 45:55
  and he doesn't care. Like, he knows that she's a good
• 46:00
  person. He knows that she's faking it
• 46:04
  and trying to like, get him to run away from her.
• 46:07
  And he's not having it. He's like, I'm here to stay.
• 46:11
  Like she's like, I want beer and instead of tea on the day.
• 46:15
  And he's like, okay, cool. Like I'll take some to pick
• 46:18
  every single thing that she does.
• 46:21
  Is only enhancing his intrigued about her so I loved it.
• 46:27
  I loved that she is so sort of precious and a very perfect
• 46:35
  archetype of what a woman should be in that time period.
• 46:39
  Especially and even. So she is subverting a lot of
• 46:45
  things in just her ambition and her trying to be A nurse and her
• 46:51
  being very decisive in high intensity situations.
• 46:58
  You know, she's very quick in, you know, it do performing,
• 47:03
  emergency services, and just being so available and stuff
• 47:08
  like that. I just found that really
• 47:09
  fascinating that even though she's very feminine, she's
• 47:12
  always dressing in skirts and dresses and stuff and she's very
• 47:16
  soft-spoken. And she just On top of that, she
• 47:21
  has goals and Ambitions of her own, and she wants to study
• 47:24
  abroad. And she has fractured
• 47:27
  relationship with her dad and like, all this stuff makes her
• 47:30
  seem. Like, she's there trying to
• 47:33
  like, turn the archetype on its head, which is, which is very
• 47:37
  cool to see. Hmm, I think you also did a
• 47:40
  pretty nice middle thing off and the oh this is actually pretty
• 47:45
  typical of kdramas, but I think they did it, but they clearly
• 47:48
  well in this I'm where the second male lead and the female
• 47:53
  lead and on the other side the second female lead and the
• 47:56
  really kind of they usually see tend to have the same kind of
• 48:00
  background the same kind of personality all of that.
• 48:03
  In this particular case it's gonna sell drugs character isn't
• 48:07
  exactly a second meal is so sorry.
• 48:09
  Second female lead of the typical breed like she has.
• 48:12
  Yeah, not much interest in the main lead but Like her
• 48:18
  personality. And at some point is pointed out
• 48:20
  that his personality and sodium, which is the say rocks
• 48:26
  character. Their parties are very similar
• 48:28
  that they could be siblings. And I like that, I like the, I
• 48:33
  always like it when they do this.
• 48:35
  Juxtaposition of here is the perfect person for you,
• 48:39
  possibly. And then you are actually
• 48:42
  attracted to somebody who's wholly different.
• 48:45
  And on paper, it shouldn't work. Work, but it works so well.
• 48:50
  Yes, yes, I agree completely that, you know, the BFF, I'll
• 48:55
  call it the BFF. She is sort of built the same
• 49:01
  way that heat a is and I agree completely that it was very
• 49:04
  frustrating in the moment. When you're watching, when
• 49:06
  people surrounding these characters are like, oh, you
• 49:09
  guys are the same. You guys are perfect for each
• 49:12
  other and all this stuff and I'm like, shut up.
• 49:14
  They're not, they're not meant to be.
• 49:17
  But yeah, absolutely. They are essentially the same
• 49:21
  person and it's cool. It's interesting.
• 49:26
  I like this kind of angst in a kdrama where you're like, okay
• 49:30
  the person who's supposed to be with him, who by All rights
• 49:35
  should be with him and especially now with like all of
• 49:38
  these forces pushing them together, they're still like
• 49:42
  like rebelling, you know, like when a kid like is having a
• 49:45
  tantrum and they look like Arch their back on the floor and
• 49:48
  stuff like that was literally both of them with this
• 49:51
  relationship trying to get out of it and, you know, get to
• 49:57
  where they want to be. He wants to be with me only.
• 50:00
  She wants to be a rebel. You know.
• 50:03
  She wants to lead the charge on all of these protests and be a
• 50:08
  revolutionary and it's very cool to see.
• 50:13
  She fell found that the BFF reminded me of Of oh my God, mr.
• 50:19
  Sunshine. What's her name?
• 50:22
  Oh my God. From 25:21.
• 50:25
  What is her name? Oh, hold on.
• 50:27
  In Theory, Game Theory. Thank you.
• 50:30
  Cantonese character in mr. Sunshine, felt a lot like the
• 50:35
  BFF in this. I agree.
• 50:38
  Youth of a yeah, except that. So here.
• 50:43
  Okay, so something the other thing that I like about the
• 50:46
  writing, Was how subtle they were about establishing
• 50:49
  characters? So pretty quickly.
• 50:51
  You get a handle on the kind of person so Yoon is she is very
• 50:55
  single-minded, very stubborn, she's also selfish.
• 51:00
  Yes, there are like different moments when and you have heat a
• 51:05
  calling her out on it, like practically.
• 51:07
  Yes time. They actually meet as even them.
• 51:09
  So they're sitting out in the garden.
• 51:10
  We are speaking about like gurus that just got busted and He begs
• 51:17
  her perfectly is a, you don't seem the kind of person who
• 51:19
  actually cares about other people's feelings.
• 51:21
  And we're just point, you know, completely proved correct.
• 51:25
  Like, the next moment when she's like, no, no, he has no feelings
• 51:28
  for you, but it actually never even occurred to her to actually
• 51:31
  inquire if a bright red does. So, it's I really liked how they
• 51:38
  established the characters with examples of action.
• 51:41
  Instead of trying to have like, you know, show don't tell that
• 51:44
  that exact Exactly. Yeah I ended up hating that BFF
• 51:49
  character to be quite honest with you because yeah, yeah,
• 51:52
  yeah. I know she makes the wrong
• 51:54
  decision every time. Like every time she's faced with
• 51:58
  a dilemma she doesn't do the right thing.
• 52:00
  She always is self servicing and selfish and she considers her
• 52:05
  own family before other people and it's not like this is the
• 52:09
  first time they establish in the story that she has been caught
• 52:14
  before. Adding up.
• 52:17
  What was it? Like flyers at their school when
• 52:19
  they were in high school? And she ever gets she never gets
• 52:24
  punished for that and young he does even though it like wasn't
• 52:29
  her idea, she didn't lead the charge on his, she was just one
• 52:31
  of a few and she gets expelled from the school.
• 52:35
  Like she gets set back. You know, if this was a game she
• 52:39
  would move back ten Paces. Yeah, I know and I've been thing
• 52:43
  is you don't actually see a sodium being particularly
• 52:47
  apologetic to him. He happened.
• 52:50
  Oh my Yeah, and the fact that that whole Dating Rules that she
• 52:55
  suggested. Yeah happen, because we knew he
• 52:58
  needed money for her airfare to Germany.
• 53:00
  Okay. Then would have been like, I
• 53:02
  will get that for you, I'll get it for you.
• 53:05
  So, do you say, why don't you do this for me?
• 53:07
  Why don't I say your life? It's yeah.
• 53:13
  Fuck you, bitch. I hated her like by the end.
• 53:17
  I was like, thank God that she was the one that It imploded
• 53:21
  their relationship and said, like, why don't we just like,
• 53:23
  say fuck it and you go back to gwangju and get with me only and
• 53:28
  I'll like do as I please here and if I want to go back to
• 53:31
  gwangju and like, kick a fuss against the government, and
• 53:34
  that's my biz. So that was the only part that I
• 53:37
  was like, okay. Finally, she made the right
• 53:38
  decision, she could sure use the word them so much.
• 53:41
  She's tortured. She's the one who tortured them
• 53:44
  in like, didn't let the LIE didn't tell the truth when she
• 53:49
  should have and he warned I was like we can't let this go any
• 53:52
  further than it already has because then we can't get out
• 53:56
  and she was like too scared, too fearful to do anything about it
• 54:01
  and was more content with just leaving things as they are
• 54:04
  naively thinking that they weren't going to get out of
• 54:07
  hand. Things weren't getting it out of
• 54:08
  hand that so I'm really privileged, right?
• 54:12
  She's never done something that's bad enough.
• 54:17
  Her does gotten her out of it and clearly not explain to her
• 54:20
  What he has had to give up like literally every time this man
• 54:24
  asked for a fever from somebody that is a favor that's held
• 54:27
  against him in this political atmosphere as his daughters just
• 54:32
  like where I guess my task going to do that again.
• 54:34
  Next time I get caught doing something rebellious and that
• 54:37
  just doesn't allow you to respect her actions as a student
• 54:42
  protesting against, you know, dictatorial government.
• 54:45
  Because what she is doing, is still selfish Within you know,
• 54:51
  the frame of her family, her friends, I mean, yeah, I was
• 54:56
  very upset with her throughout the show because she just seemed
• 55:01
  so Irrefutably selfish. And there was nothing that she
• 55:09
  could do to redeem like after a certain point.
• 55:11
  I was like she's fucked them all like that's because he thought
• 55:16
  it was the one that was like I don't want to do this, I don't
• 55:19
  want to be here. You tell your people to back out
• 55:22
  because my dad's the devil and he's not going to let me back
• 55:25
  out. So like you do it wear the pants
• 55:28
  and, like, man up shut this thing down and she never did.
• 55:33
  Yeah, she never did. So that was very frustrating
• 55:37
  throughout. Also, do you want to talk about
• 55:42
  the breath? So East on Keys character again,
• 55:45
  I felt that he was extremely naive because yes, he was
• 55:53
  jealous of heat has relationship with Miyagi.
• 55:55
  Yes, he was trying, I'm using air quotes trying to do what was
• 55:59
  best for me, only and warn her about He did, because he's got,
• 56:04
  like, all of these crazy rumors surrounding him, but at the end
• 56:07
  of the day, he was very selfish as well.
• 56:12
  And they're so stupid. Like, the whole family is like,
• 56:18
  let's just get in League with the devil.
• 56:20
  And we know he's a bad person. We know that Heath is Dad is
• 56:24
  powerful and manipulative, but he probably won't be manipulated
• 56:29
  to us because we'll be in-laws And it's like no baby.
• 56:34
  No, they were so insulated in their world and there was no,
• 56:39
  they thought there would be no consequences for getting in bed
• 56:42
  with a double. So, I mean him, the dad, I was
• 56:47
  like the dad, I wrote off the dad, when he said, I don't care
• 56:51
  if people say that I sold off my child.
• 56:53
  You're going to marry this guy. You have to marry him for the
• 56:58
  sake of our family business. So I was like, this whole
• 57:03
  family, just throw them in the trash, just throw them away, the
• 57:06
  terrible. Oh my God, I will say that there
• 57:13
  was this one Dynamic. I absolutely loved, which was
• 57:19
  young, his brother and his brother.
• 57:22
  Oh, he did. He thinks my gosh.
• 57:24
  Yeah. Um, the young ones were like my
• 57:28
  God. They were, they were like a
• 57:30
  relief from Oliver family drama. That was happening.
• 57:35
  Yeah. Yeah, I agree.
• 57:38
  They were very cute. They had their own arcs as well.
• 57:42
  You know, they came heathaze, younger brother was very upset
• 57:48
  and stuff about people calling his mother, the mistress, and
• 57:52
  the kids kind of living their lives and having fun and stuff
• 57:57
  without him. He had to go home every day.
• 57:59
  You can stay in the dorms with all of the other Runners and he
• 58:06
  was like, I don't want to be home.
• 58:07
  I want to be here with these kids.
• 58:08
  Like I don't want them to think that I'm privileged basically,
• 58:12
  even though he never said that, he was like I want to be at the
• 58:15
  dorms, so he goes to live there. And even though him and the
• 58:19
  little brother young, he's little brother got off on the
• 58:21
  wrong foot like he fixed it instantly when he stood up for
• 58:27
  me and you Little brother. They were making fun of their
• 58:31
  crippled Dad. They were walking around and
• 58:34
  making fun of him because they're a little assholes, and
• 58:39
  there is a huge stigma back then about people with disabilities.
• 58:43
  And they were making fun of it was like, wild.
• 58:46
  I was shocked and he has a little brother like punches out
• 58:50
  the kids and like, from then on there, okay.
• 58:54
  I know line between them that I really loved where He's little
• 58:59
  brother went and said, because this was, this was his Nemesis
• 59:03
  who had just done something great for him.
• 59:05
  I defended his dad. So, and he was being punished,
• 59:08
  of course, by the coach. And so he goes from.
• 59:11
  Eun-suh is the, you know, what's her name yoonhee's?
• 59:18
  Yes, brother. So young Soo goes to jump
• 59:21
  because he pays brother, and it's like, I didn't you listen
• 59:24
  to the coach? He said, we should never cross
• 59:26
  the line and by that, he means Seems like the racetrack lines,
• 59:29
  you know, where each Runner should stick to their own track.
• 59:33
  And I love the line that Jong Tey says, which is that, I don't
• 59:38
  think you heard what the court said in entirety.
• 59:41
  He said for, you know, I think long Runners, don't know what
• 59:48
  they called, short distance Runners yet distance Runners.
• 59:52
  Don't cross the lines, but we're long distance Runners.
• 59:55
  Yeah, exactly. So we took a should know we You
• 59:58
  should know when it's okay to cross the line.
• 1:00:00
  Yeah, I I love that like such great lines, even for the kids.
• 1:00:05
  Yeah, yeah, hold on, by the way, great dialogue in this drama
• 1:00:09
  just also, I go hide. Yes.
• 1:00:13
  I have a line here from Heath, a in episode 2, he tells me every
• 1:00:17
  time I see you, I feel like catching up on all the smiles I
• 1:00:20
  missed in the last few years. How can you not fall for this
• 1:00:25
  man? Oh my God, she had no chance.
• 1:00:28
  She stood, no chance. Like, of course she was gonna
• 1:00:31
  fall for the sky. They have this stunning.
• 1:00:35
  Speaking of them to they have this stunning scene in episode
• 1:00:38
  2, where he's bandaging her sprained, ankle in this like
• 1:00:41
  cherry tree Grove in front of like this Pond or something at,
• 1:00:45
  and it's golden hour and I was like, this is like kdrama crack.
• 1:00:51
  This is a kdrama crack moment, right?
• 1:00:53
  You're just Like, I need it in my veins right now.
• 1:00:56
  It's perfect. And I just love their Dynamic
• 1:01:01
  here. And now, he's like helping her,
• 1:01:03
  but she's like, doesn't want to really deal with it, but she's
• 1:01:07
  it's such a romantic scene and I can't, I really can't.
• 1:01:11
  It sucks. It's so great.
• 1:01:13
  Speaking of romantic. Oh, my God.
• 1:01:15
  Before I forget episode for the turnaround scene, He's like turn
• 1:01:20
  around, turn around, didn't then that remind you of the movie,
• 1:01:25
  The dilwale dulhaniya. Yeah, of course.
• 1:01:28
  That's the one that I was thinking of, but I wasn't sure
• 1:01:30
  if you were gonna die for an Indian.
• 1:01:32
  Oh my God. Yes.
• 1:01:33
  So when I saw it I was like it's that scene but it's not a good
• 1:01:37
  con like oh my God, I was like. Freaking out because they did
• 1:01:44
  it. They copy and paste it into the
• 1:01:47
  show and it works so well. But honestly you should you
• 1:01:51
  should all see the movie that we just referenced and see that
• 1:01:55
  scene in its entirety because it's such a plus plus romance
• 1:01:59
  right there. Absolutely, let me see episode
• 1:02:06
  6, but this is another Female lead thing where he says stages,
• 1:02:16
  an intervention with Miyagi and he tells her that, you know,
• 1:02:19
  everyone makes mistakes. It's okay.
• 1:02:21
  Heath is not a good person. It's not too late to, like, get
• 1:02:23
  away from him and fix it. And that Heath is deceiving her
• 1:02:27
  and all this stuff and she goes, it's a choice.
• 1:02:29
  I made, I've lived my entire life giving up in yielding
• 1:02:33
  because I had no courage, but Juanita is the first choice I
• 1:02:36
  made by gathering up the courage even if you curse and throw
• 1:02:39
  rocks and me as a choice I made. So I'll pay the Winces, yeah.
• 1:02:43
  Great moment for her great moment of growth for her.
• 1:02:47
  Because absolutely, she's been yielding her entire life and you
• 1:02:51
  see that she's been such a victim throughout her whole
• 1:02:55
  life. And like, leaning into hitha, is
• 1:03:00
  a giant moment for her and she won't give it up easily.
• 1:03:05
  So I thought that was a beautiful moment.
• 1:03:07
  Even though again second male lead usagi, being a little far,
• 1:03:11
  Art. He was such a great second meet
• 1:03:15
  lead in, hold on Cha-cha-cha like this also should be that I
• 1:03:22
  thought that yummy and heat. It ended up having a very
• 1:03:25
  healthy relationship, like despite everything because even
• 1:03:28
  though they did make some mistakes and they were
• 1:03:30
  withholding information from each other, they ended up
• 1:03:33
  developing a better working relationship, which was like
• 1:03:38
  young. He said I, you know, even though
• 1:03:40
  everything is hard Hard and I'm having a bad day and things, you
• 1:03:44
  know, I don't regret being with you and even if we're not she
• 1:03:48
  says even if we're not always strong and at our best I would
• 1:03:50
  like us to be able to show each other everything and so they
• 1:03:54
  established this like bond in this trust between one another
• 1:03:58
  that they end up keeping for the most part through the end of the
• 1:04:01
  show. Yeah.
• 1:04:06
  It's particularly poignant because because the show shows
• 1:04:10
  us in that brief macro season what their relationship could
• 1:04:18
  be. If it was allowed to go full
• 1:04:20
  bloom. It's yeah you can understand why
• 1:04:25
  this is an unforgettable love for both of them.
• 1:04:28
  Why it could? It would have to be each other
• 1:04:30
  and nobody else. In other cases, you might be
• 1:04:34
  like, move on. I mean, maybe a decade later,
• 1:04:40
  come on, but move on, but When we hard to move on from this,
• 1:04:45
  hmm, I did want to touch on Miyagi and her dad and their
• 1:04:51
  relationship and how she ends up confronting her dad in episode
• 1:04:55
  7. After you got kit, was his whole
• 1:04:57
  thing. Like, episode 7 had tons of
• 1:04:59
  things happening. She got kidnapped by Heath is
• 1:05:02
  Dad and she looked cartoon whole, yes.
• 1:05:08
  So he threatens her and he says, like you're not going to
• 1:05:12
  Germany, there's Way your visas getting approved because, you
• 1:05:15
  know, not only did you upset me by being in a relationship with
• 1:05:18
  my son, but your dad's a commie a sworn commie and she goes home
• 1:05:26
  to that, they're like, little Hometown and she confronts the
• 1:05:29
  dead and she asked like, is she a commies daughter?
• 1:05:33
  Is that why nothing ever works out for her?
• 1:05:36
  Is that why she's struggled all her life?
• 1:05:38
  Why didn't he tell her? She wouldn't have gotten her
• 1:05:41
  hopes up. Had she known?
• 1:05:43
  On that, she had this like black spot on her her whole life so I
• 1:05:49
  thought it was very interesting. I thought their relationship was
• 1:05:55
  like ostensibly like the second-best thing of the show
• 1:05:59
  was her complex relationship with her dad and how he was.
• 1:06:04
  Like I just didn't want you to grow up with that stigma of
• 1:06:08
  being a communist daughter even though he wasn't a He was there
• 1:06:13
  was like this whole thing where he says Jad framed him for being
• 1:06:18
  a communist 27 years ago and he crippled him, that's how he
• 1:06:22
  became a cripple. I mean, honestly, it was very
• 1:06:27
  kdrama me but at the same time, it was very poignant to see her
• 1:06:33
  grapple with this Revelation and to see her dad try and fix it
• 1:06:37
  try and fix their relationship and mend their relationship and
• 1:06:41
  like, oh my God. God.
• 1:06:43
  It Chim trying to give her a dignified life and it didn't
• 1:06:47
  matter. Like it didn't matter because
• 1:06:49
  she was so like it just never nothing ever worked out for her
• 1:06:53
  regardless. So I was, I was a mess.
• 1:06:58
  Like I don't know about you, but I was a mess during all those.
• 1:07:01
  I also thought it was an interesting and also probably
• 1:07:04
  really smart choice to Nick. The protagonist unrelated kind
• 1:07:10
  of to the protests like this. About people who would fight for
• 1:07:15
  justice, who would stand up for people who are standing up for
• 1:07:19
  people? But they are not taking on the
• 1:07:22
  larger burden of the uprising and they don't have political
• 1:07:27
  like they are not out there fighting for their political
• 1:07:32
  beliefs, they are just living their everyday lives and
• 1:07:35
  supporting those who are fighting in, whatever capacity
• 1:07:39
  they can, because you see yoon-hee, He helping her friend.
• 1:07:44
  You see, he, they constantly helping his friends.
• 1:07:48
  I mean, that's kind of how he got his trauma.
• 1:07:51
  And yeah, But neither of them are, you know, Center on the
• 1:07:55
  front lines. Yeah, they're not on the front
• 1:07:57
  lines and this is a story but people who are not on the front
• 1:08:00
  lines and then which which allows you to sympathize with
• 1:08:04
  Myung hee when she confronts her father, because to her, she was
• 1:08:08
  just living her life and did not know like how these larger
• 1:08:16
  politics were directly affecting her and why she was it was so
• 1:08:21
  easy for people to I believe that, you know, she would do
• 1:08:24
  something like the thing that had happened in her High School.
• 1:08:26
  It was just, yeah, I mean, you can you can understand why she
• 1:08:31
  would bridge. I like that.
• 1:08:33
  So, yeah. And she feels that it's unfair,
• 1:08:35
  which it is. It, is I agree this one note.
• 1:08:39
  Oh, so I will mean evil, dad the high who is like whom nobody
• 1:08:46
  wants in their family, which I, which is why I absolutely loved.
• 1:08:49
  Yes, probably. Like prime rib.
• 1:08:52
  Burn man like the he to hear that from your son.
• 1:08:57
  The so yeah this guy was also good enough crash landing on
• 1:09:01
  you. Yes he was which I found very
• 1:09:03
  fitting. Ah, very similar gotta go in
• 1:09:09
  both the you dramas and he did crash landing on you just before
• 1:09:14
  he did, you do. Yep.
• 1:09:19
  Yep. The villain Vibe carried over.
• 1:09:23
  I really thought he was a grand villain because he didn't, it
• 1:09:29
  wasn't just he was evil for evil sake.
• 1:09:31
  There was a huge amount of hubris.
• 1:09:34
  Hmm to And him wanting control over his family and wanting more
• 1:09:42
  power. And prestige in this volatile
• 1:09:46
  political environment was like, you understood.
• 1:09:50
  I understood that, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:09:52
  There wasn't just like he was evil for evils sake, like, not
• 1:09:54
  exactly and him. And he, this relationship was
• 1:10:04
  Maddening, maddening to watch because in no, way shape or
• 1:10:09
  form. Is he a father, right?
• 1:10:11
  He's a bully. He's constantly intimidating
• 1:10:17
  heathy and, you know, I thought, no way.
• 1:10:21
  Did I believe if they had that? He loved his kids, you know,
• 1:10:27
  there was no love in him at all. And, yeah, in the later
• 1:10:31
  episodes. What is it like in episode 11 or
• 1:10:35
  12? He's got his son, he did tied up
• 1:10:40
  in a room in the House locked away and he took the in order to
• 1:10:46
  get Heath it back. He had to like Ram a vehicle
• 1:10:50
  into the ambulance that he was writing that he thought was in
• 1:10:54
  and so he's all messed up from the accident.
• 1:10:57
  He's got all these injuries. He's got a head trauma for sure.
• 1:11:00
  And he still hasn't tied up. No medical.
• 1:11:03
  Assistance has been given to his son and he has this conversation
• 1:11:08
  where Heath is lying, prostrate on the floor, tied up and he
• 1:11:11
  standing above him. And I'm like, is that not the
• 1:11:14
  perfect representation of their relationship where he is
• 1:11:18
  constantly stepping on his son and keeping him, tied down,
• 1:11:23
  keeping him, you know, where he wants him in controlled.
• 1:11:28
  And I love how he that just takes the opportunity.
• 1:11:31
  He ungag him and he's just Art's talking and Heath is trying his
• 1:11:35
  best to use words against his dad.
• 1:11:38
  And one of the final things that he says is well the dad Compares
• 1:11:41
  him to an orphan, you're an orphan.
• 1:11:43
  And you know you're basically at my Mercy And he says, I'm not
• 1:11:48
  the orphan, you are because no one would ever choose you to be
• 1:11:52
  their family. Yeah, and that cuts him.
• 1:11:58
  It's a, it's amazing. Yeah, and it comes back around.
• 1:12:02
  Go go, go finish the knives. Okay, perfect.
• 1:12:05
  So anyway, it comes back around because the young son, it goes
• 1:12:09
  to save me, only from an assassination because the dad
• 1:12:14
  orders, an assassination of Yogi and episode 12, and he thinks
• 1:12:18
  back, the dad ends up thinking back to this moment where he
• 1:12:22
  says, you know, The orphan no one wants would want you as a
• 1:12:27
  family because the families like get off of me.
• 1:12:29
  Like they're all like shaking him off whenever he tries to
• 1:12:33
  touch them and they abandoned him they leave without him and
• 1:12:37
  it's such a moment. So I really like that it comes
• 1:12:39
  back around and he realizes that he's right that he thought was
• 1:12:42
  right about it, okay? What did you have?
• 1:12:47
  You got really excited. Well, what did you and I just
• 1:12:50
  remembered that I had was beautiful world.
• 1:12:54
  I think in January this year again after like I should just
• 1:12:58
  take all of science recommendation seriously.
• 1:13:00
  I don't know why I keep dealing watching anything she recommends
• 1:13:03
  because I always end up loving, I'm doing trying to get you to
• 1:13:06
  watch beautiful world for like three years now and I watched it
• 1:13:10
  and Oh manseok was exactly the same kind of father in that
• 1:13:16
  drama his son was like a teenager like a 14 year old
• 1:13:23
  teenager, but yeah, the guy was exactly.
• 1:13:28
  Let's if he may have been stereotyped a little bit in the,
• 1:13:32
  in, the casting choices, but he's definitely taking us.
• 1:13:36
  Yeah, he please this type so. Well, my God, it's like it's new
• 1:13:42
  on Just devilry. It's just he's so horrible.
• 1:13:46
  But you can kind of see how his gears function like how they
• 1:13:49
  move. So yeah, I agree.
• 1:13:54
  It is nuanced devilry. For sure, for sure, for sure.
• 1:14:01
  So, I have a few more things to talk about really fast, so I'll
• 1:14:03
  go through them fast but in episode 7 like so much stuff
• 1:14:08
  happens in episode 7 but in episode 7, Heat.
• 1:14:12
  'He is waiting for me only at the station because they had
• 1:14:14
  this like full-on like break up on the bridge after she's been
• 1:14:18
  kidnapped and she's been awake for like what 24 hours or
• 1:14:21
  something like that. She's got a concussion for sure,
• 1:14:24
  Xavier on the head, she's a mess.
• 1:14:26
  She looks sick ill, and he's waiting for her at the station
• 1:14:30
  after this blah fight that she had with her dad.
• 1:14:33
  She walks past him at the station and he follows her
• 1:14:36
  calling out to her. She walks into the middle of a
• 1:14:39
  protest and he's stuck on the sidewalk can't get to And I was
• 1:14:43
  like, this is very symbolic of how the politics just got in the
• 1:14:49
  way, like the times. Just got in the way of their
• 1:14:52
  relationship. It was the right relationship at
• 1:14:54
  the wrong time and they couldn't overcome this wave of tyranny
• 1:15:00
  and she is writing dangerously close to the protesters and he's
• 1:15:05
  scared to jump into The Fray. And when he finally catches up
• 1:15:09
  to her, they have their conversation.
• 1:15:11
  Finally, in an alley, Lee, and it's a dead end and I was like,
• 1:15:14
  oh my God, this is like mimicking their relationship
• 1:15:17
  that there's just no road ahead there at a dead end and it's
• 1:15:23
  just, I thought it was very well done as far as staging goes.
• 1:15:28
  And it was a beautiful, beautiful whole extinct ones of
• 1:15:33
  them talking and of course it's very emotional.
• 1:15:35
  And you know she's like I'm this one.
• 1:15:37
  She says I'm scared of you and he takes that to heart because
• 1:15:40
  he's like I don't want her to be afraid of.
• 1:15:42
  Be like, you know? So, it's crazy.
• 1:15:48
  I'm trying to think of my notes. Yo, so episode 8, do you think
• 1:15:55
  that? Because they get back together
• 1:15:59
  and he goes home with her and they make out in her little room
• 1:16:02
  that she has in the boarding house?
• 1:16:05
  And they wake up the next day in the same bed with are fully
• 1:16:07
  closed. Did you think that they had sex?
• 1:16:09
  Because I assumed that they had sex, listen, I if they wake up
• 1:16:14
  in the same bed and nobody mentions anything, I assume
• 1:16:19
  they've had sex because they didn't say anything there.
• 1:16:25
  They were you know, there was no something if one of them wasn't
• 1:16:30
  I did we last four for sure? They haven't had sex for sure.
• 1:16:35
  What do you want me to mention it?
• 1:16:38
  When the punchline is that the other person is like you.
• 1:16:42
  I wish but no, I assumed that they had sex but you're like if
• 1:16:47
  they, you know, they don't think so too.
• 1:16:49
  I agree. No, no, I okay, they didn't
• 1:16:51
  mention it. So it's they didn't know.
• 1:16:54
  So, I'm going with the people they had.
• 1:16:58
  So I think one of the only issues that I had with the show
• 1:17:01
  was the person that got heated Kwang Soo, was this friend
• 1:17:08
  friend of a friend basically that he had saved?
• 1:17:10
  And she was in the ICU. And basically, the Outlook was
• 1:17:13
  really bad for her. She was in a vegetative state
• 1:17:16
  and he wanted to move her transfer her to Guangzhou, and
• 1:17:18
  that's how he ends up doing gwangju.
• 1:17:20
  And the whole thing that person, the sort of comrade that he
• 1:17:26
  feels incredibly responsible for this person, like you don't
• 1:17:31
  really know anything about the late, this labor union leader,
• 1:17:35
  Is accepted. She was Brave, you know, and I
• 1:17:39
  found her to be more of a device, right?
• 1:17:42
  Then, you know, anything more, she seems so much like a device,
• 1:17:47
  especially later on, when the BFF goes to the hospital with
• 1:17:52
  heat a and soul to visit her on the eve of them transferring her
• 1:17:56
  to gwangju. And She ends up saying like oh
• 1:18:01
  she protested and stood up for what she believed in even though
• 1:18:03
  it was hard even though she was definitely scared and it kind of
• 1:18:06
  jolts her into action again and she's like, why am I like just
• 1:18:11
  living my life so passively and letting everything happen to me?
• 1:18:15
  I should do what she did. Even though I'm scared, I need
• 1:18:18
  to like, stand up for what I believe in and the very next day
• 1:18:21
  she like Cuts Heath a loose and she's like go back to gwangju
• 1:18:24
  and like we'll just deal with it, you know.
• 1:18:27
  So again I just felt like she was just a Catalyst for these
• 1:18:30
  characters, instead of something more you know.
• 1:18:34
  Yeah, we have to find out what happens to her.
• 1:18:36
  She never, we never found out she wakes up or if she dies or
• 1:18:39
  something it's just you know, she wasn't particularly
• 1:18:43
  important as a person. She was of important as
• 1:18:46
  connections between people between he pay and his Soldier
• 1:18:51
  friend, like his communist friend.
• 1:18:55
  Who got drafted into the army. He hated And my God.
• 1:19:00
  What a tragic? Turn on.
• 1:19:01
  That was. Oh my God.
• 1:19:04
  So let well, let me see if there's anything else.
• 1:19:08
  Oh my God. Yeah, one last thing episode 11
• 1:19:11
  and then we'll talk about the end game episode.
• 1:19:13
  So episode 11, there's this friend who had been tortured for
• 1:19:18
  days before even May 11th, May 18th came around.
• 1:19:23
  They had like kidnapped him and were torturing him for
• 1:19:25
  information and now he's finally facing off.
• 1:19:29
  Against the devil dead. I just call him the double dad
• 1:19:32
  and my notes. But the friend thinks back to a
• 1:19:36
  conversation he had with Heath, a where he asked him, if I get
• 1:19:40
  caught would mentioning your name, get me out and he pay
• 1:19:44
  assures him, that mentioning his name to his dad or anyone else
• 1:19:49
  would get him killed. So we cut back to the present
• 1:19:53
  and he's like face-to-face with the devil dead.
• 1:19:55
  And he just starts laughing because inadvertently he day has
• 1:20:01
  given him a cyanide. I'd pill and he uses it in that
• 1:20:06
  moment. He causes a fuss over begging,
• 1:20:09
  the devil dead to spare him and dropping Heath, his name, and he
• 1:20:15
  gets bludgeoned to death by the devil dead. and I found this so
• 1:20:21
  powerful and I don't know what just Amazing in a sense because
• 1:20:33
  you don't expect such a ludicrous unhinged ending for
• 1:20:39
  this guy and for it to be so meaningful, in a sense.
• 1:20:43
  Yeah. So I don't know if you felt any
• 1:20:46
  type of way, about that scene, but I like it because I can
• 1:20:49
  expecting. I honestly didn't expect him to
• 1:20:54
  like, get out or anything like that.
• 1:20:56
  Yeah, it was clearly like, even though Dog PD and the writer
• 1:21:01
  were not focusing on the larger Uprising.
• 1:21:03
  They have, chosen people around our protagonists who was
• 1:21:07
  suffering in different ways and like this character was clearly,
• 1:21:11
  you know, sort of a symbol of like the suffering.
• 1:21:14
  A lot of protesters were going through the ones who were
• 1:21:17
  already in jail, and of course, this entire thing may have
• 1:21:19
  peaked in me, but it has been happening for years simmering.
• 1:21:24
  So, students were being picked up randomly.
• 1:21:27
  The smallest accusation could Could get you behind bars, so
• 1:21:31
  it's and it kept on happening, even after that for years.
• 1:21:34
  Oh yeah. Speak that ended.
• 1:21:35
  Yeah. So I kind of assumed this
• 1:21:39
  character would probably end up dying.
• 1:21:41
  Yeah, but I thought that they were building up to.
• 1:21:44
  I don't know, something momentous.
• 1:21:46
  Like he gives away something big or something like that.
• 1:21:49
  I was not expecting him to basically.
• 1:21:54
  Like you said do what he did which is like put an end to his
• 1:21:57
  own misery and also ensure that he can't like betray his
• 1:22:03
  friends. It just it was really poignant
• 1:22:06
  and to use your abusers your your assailants weakness.
• 1:22:11
  Yes against him like that. Yeah, yeah, that was so Splendid
• 1:22:17
  tragic. I'll spend it tragic.
• 1:22:19
  Yeah. Episode 11.
• 1:22:22
  This is and we're going to talk about And game episodes.
• 1:22:25
  So the debt miyagi's dad and the younger brother Myung-soo try to
• 1:22:29
  make it back on foot. So your naju and they get lost
• 1:22:33
  in the dark and the soldiers, find them and the dad leaves to
• 1:22:38
  try and talk to the soldiers. And I was like he's dead, he's
• 1:22:43
  gonna die and next episode last episode, we find out that he
• 1:22:47
  does, they murder him in Cold Blood.
• 1:22:51
  And oh my God, this was Terrible because she never sort of
• 1:22:56
  reconciles with him in a way. He to The Bitter End was trying
• 1:23:05
  to support her in the only way. He knew how and he had saved
• 1:23:08
  every bit of money that he had made and saved, all the money
• 1:23:11
  that she sent back home. And he put it in a savings
• 1:23:13
  account, who was like, this is for you and to get your life
• 1:23:17
  started. And for it was initially for
• 1:23:19
  her, Germany School tuition. And I was like, oh my God, like
• 1:23:23
  that imploded. And, you know, he left a letter
• 1:23:26
  for her. It was very much like a, it's
• 1:23:29
  incomplete, you know, an incomplete relationship and I
• 1:23:35
  was devastated. I was so devastated.
• 1:23:40
  Isan gies character ends up finally becoming a rebel and he
• 1:23:43
  starts helping his sister after he was taken, and he was
• 1:23:47
  tortured and was in this room. Like God knows what happened to
• 1:23:50
  these people that were Arrested and so he has this, like come to
• 1:23:56
  Jesus moment in the final episode because he his naivety
• 1:24:01
  is like Torn to Pieces in this moment, right?
• 1:24:06
  Where he finally realizes like what she's been fighting for.
• 1:24:11
  Or against. And I guess the final thing is
• 1:24:16
  that, you know, the little brother Myung-soo, what does he
• 1:24:19
  do? He like goes off to back to naju
• 1:24:23
  to try and find the grandmother. And the mom, his mom and tell
• 1:24:29
  them what happened to the dad so that they could have like the
• 1:24:32
  final send off of the father. Yeah.
• 1:24:36
  And he initiates this terrible. No good Awful ending for our
• 1:24:42
  couple which Is Young, he dies like she straight up gets
• 1:24:47
  murdered in the woods. She blocked a bullet.
• 1:24:51
  That was meant for her brother and he gets away and that that's
• 1:24:57
  it like she dies and it's so undignified and Rude.
• 1:25:04
  And just the way that they like left her in a ditch, they didn't
• 1:25:07
  even bury her. They just like left her.
• 1:25:10
  They were initially, like, remove all forms of
• 1:25:13
  identification off of her so that no one can identify the
• 1:25:16
  body later. And thankfully, that one friend
• 1:25:20
  who had been following in and out of the, his military service
• 1:25:25
  took pity and left the like, left the identification
• 1:25:29
  basically, he left the watch that Kid dropped the brother
• 1:25:35
  dropped and he left the wedding prayer on her.
• 1:25:41
  And that's how they could identify her later.
• 1:25:44
  I got to tell you like when they cut to the present because they
• 1:25:48
  flash forwarded at the beginning of episode 12.
• 1:25:51
  And that's how you figure, you know, who lives and young.
• 1:25:56
  He's not among like the present day people.
• 1:26:00
  And I was like, oh my God, I like, you see he did working as
• 1:26:05
  a professor in the hospital. And when he finally, they
• 1:26:09
  finally tell him that they found her body young, he's body.
• 1:26:13
  I mean, I lost it. I was sobbing over Heath a
• 1:26:17
  reading her wedding prayer in 2021 41 years later.
• 1:26:22
  Yeah, like I, like talk to me. Like, what did you think?
• 1:26:27
  It's like ending and all of this reveal and stuff.
• 1:26:33
  So he probably be deeply disappointed because I love you
• 1:26:39
  that the ending was going to end up.
• 1:26:43
  You know, with her dead. I wanted to get that over with
• 1:26:48
  as quickly as possible. So I think I was around the
• 1:26:50
  episode 3 ish, Mark when I just, yeah, I've always done this in
• 1:26:56
  fiction. Whatever I do that was going to
• 1:26:58
  be a tragic. You had the last page of the
• 1:27:01
  book, I don't know. I was reading the book.
• 1:27:04
  I honestly think I could get through the entire thing because
• 1:27:08
  I read it because my anxiety is no joke.
• 1:27:11
  I was telling you about my dogs. My anxiety, Trump says and I
• 1:27:19
  can't like I keep I kept stalling.
• 1:27:22
  Like you you told me about this was more than one pack, right?
• 1:27:26
  And I was stalling till like two weeks back I had watched the
• 1:27:31
  first two episodes and I was like, I got I can't, this is,
• 1:27:35
  they're so cute. I can't watch this.
• 1:27:37
  So I just like waiting hadn't watched, but it didn't diminish,
• 1:27:41
  the impact for me. I I when I finally got to that
• 1:27:45
  episode again, I of course, watched the whole way through
• 1:27:49
  and the so you have these coats from the director here.
• 1:27:55
  Yeah. And at one point, he talks about
• 1:27:57
  how she had to die because that was basically the frame.
• 1:28:01
  It was that the story is memorable because she died and
• 1:28:06
  he's not wrong. I don't think he's really after
• 1:28:09
  all of that. If both of them had completely
• 1:28:11
  holy emerge from That. And if somebody else had died in
• 1:28:15
  the background, would not have had the same impact.
• 1:28:20
  The reason this is like so golden in the audience's memory
• 1:28:24
  as well as in he thinks memory is because it's kind of like
• 1:28:29
  contained in that one single month.
• 1:28:33
  Pretty much mostly in me and you know, part of me when I was
• 1:28:38
  watching the final episode I thought hey this is you know,
• 1:28:42
  they come. Just a great actor, I crossed
• 1:28:47
  jae-won Jung, which by the way, it's the actors who get to play
• 1:28:51
  the older versions of either Kuhn is just, it's such good
• 1:28:55
  choices. I mean, they always cast.
• 1:28:57
  I really still now, they've cast like actors who can really
• 1:29:00
  smile, like, smile, with their whole being and she went on, can
• 1:29:06
  so good. I thought he was this was a
• 1:29:09
  story about a man who's had this tragic thing happened to him?
• 1:29:13
  What he has emerged from it. Like, he has healed, but the
• 1:29:17
  drama is not the dramas like no sirree for 41 years.
• 1:29:23
  This man has been suffering and we were staying in detail how?
• 1:29:28
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:29:29
  They made a point of kind of saying how he's been stuck in
• 1:29:33
  1980 for 41 years. Oh, And her wedding prayer was
• 1:29:40
  something like. I hope that we can even if we
• 1:29:43
  are out and swimming and swimming in the waves of life
• 1:29:47
  and stuff, I hope we don't drown.
• 1:29:50
  If we don't end up, you know, holding each other's hands
• 1:29:53
  forever, which was his prayer was that we never let go of each
• 1:29:56
  other. And I mean, honestly, he says
• 1:30:01
  that he's trying, he's tried to kill himself, he's been suicidal
• 1:30:06
  in the past. 41 years and how he just wants to end his suffering
• 1:30:10
  and that he has been drowning. Yeah, you know like she didn't
• 1:30:17
  want him to for all this time and he decided to just keep
• 1:30:25
  living you know in In a Mosh to her, you know?
• 1:30:30
  Because she wanted him to. Yeah.
• 1:30:33
  And so and it's very powerful Left Behind.
• 1:30:36
  Yes. And previously, he made the
• 1:30:40
  point of saying, if you die, I will have nothing.
• 1:30:45
  You are all. I have I have no other family.
• 1:30:47
  I have no other like friends, you are it.
• 1:30:50
  So I would rather die. Like if something were to happen
• 1:30:56
  I would rather be the one to suffer.
• 1:30:59
  And she said, you know, don't say that I'll be your family and
• 1:31:02
  they get married, and they have this whole like thing.
• 1:31:05
  And even in the end episode where he's like this, the road
• 1:31:09
  diverges, there's two roads. It splits, I'll go down the more
• 1:31:14
  dangerous road, and you go down this road where there's no
• 1:31:17
  soldiers parked at the end of it or whatever, and she does.
• 1:31:22
  And she's still, even though it was the easier Road, she still
• 1:31:26
  died like, he even in his, he Tried so hard, you know, and it
• 1:31:31
  still didn't didn't work, you know, she still suffered and
• 1:31:34
  died and he it was his worst nightmare because I was all he
• 1:31:38
  had it. So it was very affecting you
• 1:31:41
  know for me to see him in the present day and to see him still
• 1:31:46
  using humor as a crutch as a you know, defense mechanism and he
• 1:31:51
  still has this like very light personality but he's still
• 1:31:54
  suffering. Yeah, on the inside. and oh my
• 1:32:01
  God, I mean It was well, it was very well done.
• 1:32:06
  And the director says like after me only died, the drama shows
• 1:32:10
  the stories of the remaining people.
• 1:32:11
  The drama is trying to say that numerous people are living while
• 1:32:14
  carrying their own burdens. And it's 100% case like he
• 1:32:21
  nailed it, right? If that's what he was going for.
• 1:32:23
  He nailed it and her death does make the drama more meaningful.
• 1:32:30
  Absolutely. And it's just like, I know we
• 1:32:32
  brought up tight and I brought up to tanning earlier but it's
• 1:32:35
  the same thing with with, you know Jack dying at the end of
• 1:32:39
  Titanic. Like that makes the story even
• 1:32:41
  more meaningful. Like, had he lived, you probably
• 1:32:44
  wouldn't feel as strongly about the, you know, this story.
• 1:32:49
  So it is tragic and I do feel like it was always supposed to
• 1:32:53
  happen. I think some people get upset
• 1:32:56
  when they don't get Happy Endings, especially in kdramas,
• 1:32:59
  and I can understand it when it's not warranted.
• 1:33:02
  And the story doesn't really call for it, and it kind of
• 1:33:05
  comes out of left field, and it just feels like they're trying
• 1:33:07
  to, like, pull a fast one on you, right.
• 1:33:11
  It feels like they're, they're not taking the audience into
• 1:33:14
  consideration, but I feel like the director was like, not only
• 1:33:17
  am I taking the audience into Federation, I'm taking the
• 1:33:21
  weight of History into consideration, and I'm these
• 1:33:23
  characters that we've crafted here deserve a little bit more
• 1:33:29
  meaning after the fact, and, of course, they deserve better.
• 1:33:33
  Of course, you deserve to have a happy ending but that's what
• 1:33:36
  makes this so heartbreaking, right?
• 1:33:39
  Is that they couldn't escape history, they couldn't escape
• 1:33:42
  this fate, And I don't know, it just does something to me, and I
• 1:33:47
  do feel like a lot of stories that have unhappy endings and
• 1:33:50
  kdrama. They're warranted, right?
• 1:33:53
  Like I personally feel like the 25:21 ending was warranted,
• 1:33:57
  right? Didn't end up together.
• 1:33:58
  I love the ending. Yeah.
• 1:34:00
  And honestly, that was not the mean Romance of 25.
• 1:34:04
  Yeah, yeah. Well, she was always going at
• 1:34:06
  him. Yes.
• 1:34:08
  Yeah. Precisely though.
• 1:34:11
  Uh-huh. Neither so I feel the same I'm
• 1:34:14
  way about this ending where it was like, absolutely a given,
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  you know. Yeah, so I think that's the
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  biggest thing. Like, that's the biggest thing
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  about the shows that she dies, they don't end up together.
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  It's so sad, it's really, but yeah, but one of the things that
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  makes it the most poignant and not something that makes you
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  feel like, you know, the dogs being pulled from under you and
• 1:34:40
  like your be cheated of a good ending it's because The built of
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  the story as something that was, you know, or kind of like like
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  that, like I said, we put a time limit on it, pretty early.
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  It also felt the the speed of it, the quickness of the
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  progression of the relationship. Also, lent this urgency to the
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  narrative so that it felt like it was happening too quickly.
• 1:35:10
  It was burning too bright. Mmm, and there was almost like
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  You expected that fall to happen especially given the
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  vulnerability of that time but it was also a joy to watch the
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  relationship. Develop the thing that kdramas
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  do where they explored the saddest of topics but they
• 1:35:29
  always Infuse Certain lived moments with so much joy.
• 1:35:35
  Yeah, that's the only thing that ever lets me watch stories, like
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  these. Like, right, I can't take full
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  on sadness. I can't take sadness from the
• 1:35:45
  first moment to the very end. I have never been able to watch
• 1:35:49
  any movie, any TV show from anywhere in the world, that is
• 1:35:53
  just that. And I take nothing from it like
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  stories, where it starts serious and it progressively just gets
• 1:35:59
  worse, I do. Get any soccer from it.
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  I don't get any more lessons from it.
• 1:36:05
  I Get No Satisfaction from it. I can write emotional education
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  from it. So but stories told like this.
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  Yeah. Hmm.
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  Believe in. Yeah, I would agree.
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  I would agree completely. I don't know if you had anything
• 1:36:21
  else to add. I've come to the end of my
• 1:36:22
  notes, we're good. Okay, I guess the one stray
• 1:36:26
  observation is that the sets for 90 the 1980s that they had this
• 1:36:31
  small Down even the freakin record store and the cafe that
• 1:36:34
  they go to. It seems like it is identical to
• 1:36:37
  the one in Snowdrop. I think they just use the same
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  set. Yeah, I really do.
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  Wow. Okay.
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  Yeah. And both boys, even construct
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  like a Matchstick Tower at some point in the waiting for, you
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  know, their girl to arrive in the Cafe's.
• 1:36:54
  Yes, I'm like, oh my God. It's identical.
• 1:36:57
  So anyway, that's pretty much it.
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  We're going to get out of here. Thank you.
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  So, For coming on the show and talking at length about youth of
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  May. Paloma I hope that we can do
• 1:37:08
  this again and where can we find you or dramas Over Flowers?
• 1:37:13
  Where can I find? Absolutely thank you for having
• 1:37:16
  me. You can find dramas little
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  flowers on Twitter, a dramas overflow on Instagram.
• 1:37:23
  We are dramas Over Flowers underscore and you can find me
• 1:37:26
  former mostly on Twitter because that's where I hang out the most
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  at the drama know. It's nice.
• 1:37:33
  Thank you so much. Thank you again, and that's been
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  our show. I'm Jessica.
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  And this has been the Dybbuk. He Rambles podcast.
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