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Young mom answers doorbell, gunned down by Killer Clown · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Let me set the stage
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Speaker 1: for this. A quiet residential neighborhood. A mom goes to
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Speaker 1: the door and opens the door, standing there as a
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Speaker 1: clown with balloons. She thinks she's getting some kind of
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Speaker 1: a fun delivery. Instead, she gets shot dead. What happened
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Speaker 1: to Marlene Warren? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? What do
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Speaker 1: you remember of late twenty sixth, nineteen ninety I remember
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Speaker 1: that being one of the most terrible days of my life.
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Speaker 1: You're in the house with your mom, right, yes, what's
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Speaker 1: going on? Well, typical morning. She and I were cooking
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Speaker 1: breakfast that morning, joking, carrying on. Did Marlene have any
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Speaker 1: enemies in this world? None? Everybody loved her. She was
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Speaker 1: by everything, My mom, my friend, she was by everything.
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Speaker 1: I was in the living room, I sat down the eats.
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Speaker 1: There was a balloon and some clown coming at the door.
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Speaker 1: Look at that clown. She was going to that door.
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Speaker 1: She was excited. When your mother opened the door, did
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Speaker 1: she say something, Oh, how pretty? At first we thought
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Speaker 1: maybe it was a balloon, But when we saw her fall,
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Speaker 1: he knew was something was definitely seriously wrong. We had
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Speaker 1: no clue what was going on. It was like the
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Speaker 1: whole world was in slow emotion. Did the clowns say anything, Nothing,
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Speaker 1: not a word. The clown slowly walked back to the
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Speaker 1: car like no care in the world. The clown slowly
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Speaker 1: walked back to the car, not a care in the world.
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Speaker 1: The clown didn't speak, The voice was never heard. I
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Speaker 1: was just listening to this son talk about his mother.
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Speaker 1: I was just thinking about you grow up with your
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Speaker 1: mother and him saying good night twice and getting another hug,
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Speaker 1: and then to think your mother, essentially your world at
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Speaker 1: a young age, goes to the door and get shot
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Speaker 1: dead again. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thanks
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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nations. Serious XM
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Speaker 1: with me, an All start panel and Bloy we need
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Speaker 1: a panel on this one. Kurt nermy is with me.
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Speaker 1: Renowned trial lawyer who represented d Arius at trial, author
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Speaker 1: of Trapped with miss Arius on Amazon. Doctor Angela Arnold,
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Speaker 1: well known psychiatrists joining us from the Atlanta jurisdiction. Jeff Cortezi,
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Speaker 1: former FBI Special Agent, doctor Katherine Maloney, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner,
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Speaker 1: joining us from Erie County mm's office. That's Buffalo. George
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Speaker 1: skiro DNA technical leader lab director at Scales Biological Laboratory, Inc.
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Speaker 1: But right now, jacrime online dot Com investigative reporter Levi,
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Speaker 1: Paige Levi, I want to start at the beginning, when
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Speaker 1: Marlene Warren goes to the door. Tell me what happened. So, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: this is in Wellington, Florida, Palm Beach County, and it's
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety it's Memorial Day weekend, and forty year old
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Speaker 1: Marlene Warren, she was eating breakfast with her son and
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Speaker 1: his friends. They were in their early twenties, and the
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Speaker 1: doorbell rings. She got up to answer it, and she
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Speaker 1: opened the door and there was a clown that had
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Speaker 1: a flower arrangement and blues and that's not all he had.
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Speaker 1: He had a gun, pulled it out. I say, he
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Speaker 1: meaning a clown you think of a He and shot
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Speaker 1: Marlene Warren dead, shot her in the face, then got
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Speaker 1: into a white Chrysler convertible and left the scene. Marlene
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Speaker 1: Warren died two days later in the hospital. There's so
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Speaker 1: many questions just ricocheting off the inside of my mind
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Speaker 1: right now, because you know, if you look at this
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Speaker 1: Jeff Cortes, former FBI, she's so clearly targeted because the
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Speaker 1: person walks to the door, rings the doorbell, she answers,
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Speaker 1: the shoot her, and then walk back to the car.
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Speaker 1: This isn't a drive by shooting. It's not a rape,
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Speaker 1: it's not a burglary, it's not a robbery. She is targeted.
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Speaker 1: Not only that, the killer clown takes great efforts to
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Speaker 1: cover their identity. They never over utter a word, which
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Speaker 1: means they don't want their voice to be heard. This
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Speaker 1: has to be someone that knows her, or is obsessed
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Speaker 1: with her, or has been watching her. And my guests
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Speaker 1: would be she knows them too. Agree or disagree? No,
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Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. This is cold calculated and well thought out.
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Speaker 1: I mean the steps that were taken to to shield
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Speaker 1: the identity of the shooter from anybody around. We're very
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Speaker 1: well planned out, and all indications are that these two
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Speaker 1: people would would know each other. The first thing I
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Speaker 1: would be doing is trying to get the make and
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Speaker 1: model of that vehicle that the killer was driving, and
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Speaker 1: going to every grocery store and about a ten to
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Speaker 1: fifteen mile vicinity that sells balloons or flowers. You know,
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Speaker 1: there's always that balloon and flower section typically in grocery store.
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Speaker 1: Definitely flowers first move and looking for forensics. For all
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Speaker 1: I know, the clown was wearing gloves. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: now you were hearing Peter van Zand at forty eight
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Speaker 1: hours this is Alexandrew's stone at k ETV. Listen. Marlene
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Speaker 1: Warren was in her Aero Club community home with her
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Speaker 1: adult sign and some of his friends. They were eating
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Speaker 1: breakfast when they noticed someone at their front door. Marlene
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Speaker 1: answered it, revealing a person dressed as a clown holding
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Speaker 1: two balloons and a basket of flowers. A witness who
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Speaker 1: was present at the time recall what happened next in
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Speaker 1: a police interview, saying, Marlene made a remark like you know,
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Speaker 1: oh how nice you know and everything. She was happy
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Speaker 1: about it, and when she went to reach and grab
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Speaker 1: for it, he just shot her in the mouth twice.
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Speaker 1: The witness says at the scene said that the clown
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Speaker 1: just turned around, walked back to the car, got into
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Speaker 1: the white Chrystrom le baron and just drove away very calmly.
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Speaker 1: A chryst little bear in color white. Doctor Angela A
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Speaker 1: psychiatrists joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela.
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Speaker 1: The fact that this woman, this mother was shot twice
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Speaker 1: in the mouth. Now, I know a lot of people
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Speaker 1: think that that's just I'll let me just say by accident.
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Speaker 1: Now that the shooting is by accident, but that the
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Speaker 1: shooting in the mouth, I think it's on purpose. Shot,
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Speaker 1: but shot in the mouth. It was very much on purpose.
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Speaker 1: The clown wanted to distigure her. The clown wanted to
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Speaker 1: make sure that she was dead. It was very thought
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Speaker 1: out and calculated. It's it always says when when someone shooting. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the fact that she was shot in
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Speaker 1: the mouth, not just shot in the chest or the head.
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Speaker 1: But she was shot twice in the mouth. And I
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Speaker 1: find that very very significant. To Kirk Nurmy. You represented
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Speaker 1: Jody Arius. She shot Travis Alexander. I know you said
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Speaker 1: she didn't fine have it your way, but he was
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Speaker 1: stabbed twenty nine times, I think, and shot in the head.
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Speaker 1: It's significant when the shooter picks the head, the face
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Speaker 1: in this case, the mouth in which they shoot the victim.
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Speaker 1: And I think in your case, Arias was at close
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Speaker 1: range to Travis Alexander, she knew she was shooting him
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Speaker 1: in the head. In this case, the clown was at
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Speaker 1: close range. She knew when she went to the door.
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Speaker 1: She opened the door up, there's a clown. The clown
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Speaker 1: takes the gun and points right at her mouth. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace, guys were talking about a mom
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Speaker 1: that goes to the door of her home. She's having
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Speaker 1: breakfast with her son and one of his friends. She
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Speaker 1: thinks she's getting a surprise flowers and balloons. What she
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Speaker 1: gets a surprise? All right? She gets shot dead twice
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Speaker 1: in the mouth. Nermie, don't you think your client? Jody
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Speaker 1: aris aside, it is significant when someone is shot closer range,
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Speaker 1: specifically in the mouth. That is a deep psychological up.
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Speaker 1: It's a neon signed to me. Well, it certainly adds
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Speaker 1: a personal anger element to it. Right, It's not just
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Speaker 1: a matter of killing. It's a matter of disfiguring, maiming,
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Speaker 1: and making sure that person life and their deaths will
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Speaker 1: never be the same. It as a intensely personal way
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Speaker 1: of shooting someone. Well, another thing pointing at the mouth.
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Speaker 1: You want to make sure she Marlene Juarren never says
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Speaker 1: another word. But why to doctor Catherine Maloney, Deputy medical
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Speaker 1: examiner joining me out of Erie County, Buffalo, Is there
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Speaker 1: any way a person could live if they've been shot
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Speaker 1: front to back in the mouth. It would really depend
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Speaker 1: on the trajectory of the bullet. So if the bullet
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Speaker 1: goes straight front to back such that it hits the
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Speaker 1: base of the brain, then the person will definitely die
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Speaker 1: because you require the bottom part of your brain to
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Speaker 1: stay alive. If instead, however, the bullet manages to either
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Speaker 1: go to the right of the left, you know, sort
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Speaker 1: of towards through the side of the head, it's possible
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Speaker 1: that the person could survive, but it would be a
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Speaker 1: very long and prolonged process to kind of put them
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Speaker 1: back together again. Do you leave ipage climb online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter. Do we know whether the clown was
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Speaker 1: wearing gloves? We don't know that for sure, Nancy so To,
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Speaker 1: George Skiro. DNA really on the forefront of DNA Forensic Scientists,
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Speaker 1: Lab Director Scales Biological Labs, George Skiro. If she's when
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Speaker 1: Marlene goes to the door, she opens the door. If
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Speaker 1: the clown is wearing gloves, what's the likelihood we're going
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Speaker 1: to get any DNA off the balloons or the flowers, now, Mancy,
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Speaker 1: it depends on the person who was dressed at the
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Speaker 1: clown handled the items beforehand without gloves, then there may
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Speaker 1: be some DNA present. But of course, in order to
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Speaker 1: do that, you have to find the gloves, and you
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Speaker 1: need to find the person so that you could then
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Speaker 1: compare the DNA to that person. Well. Another issue is
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Speaker 1: if the clown went and bought the flowers and the balloons, say,
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Speaker 1: in the grocery store, would they have been wearing the
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Speaker 1: gloves at the time of the purchase. Their DNA could
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Speaker 1: be on the balloons, could be on the flowers. What
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Speaker 1: would that be touch DNA, Yes, that would be touched DNA,
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Speaker 1: where someone's DNA is transferred basically from the skin on
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Speaker 1: their hands to the items that they're handling. Guys, take
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Speaker 1: a listen now to Peter van Zandt At forty eight hours.
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Speaker 1: Joe was living at home and his friends were over
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Speaker 1: that morning, including Jeannie Pratt, who helped ten to Marlene,
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Speaker 1: a neighbor called nine one one. I was right next
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Speaker 1: to her and I rolled her to her side. Was
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Speaker 1: a big hole in her cheek and upper lip. Joe,
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Speaker 1: hobbled by a broken leg and cast followed the clown
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Speaker 1: outside the shooter's car, a white Chrysler LeBaron was parked
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Speaker 1: in the driveway. The car was right here, the door
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Speaker 1: was opened, the car was running. I tried to get
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Speaker 1: the clown to turn around. I call him every word
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Speaker 1: in the book. The shooter looked back. Joe saw white
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Speaker 1: and red clown makeup, a fuzzy orange wig, and the
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Speaker 1: eyes of the person who had just shot his mother,
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Speaker 1: just really dark brown eyes. The shooter calmly got in
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Speaker 1: the car and drove away, didn't even squeal attire, just
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Speaker 1: drove off like nothing happened. What does that tell you
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Speaker 1: to Jeff Cortesi, former FBI special agent, I mean it
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Speaker 1: tells me that there was a lot of thoughts that
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Speaker 1: was put into this. I mean, when when you put
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Speaker 1: yourself in a high stress situation, you know, the world
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Speaker 1: starts to shrink around you, the heart rate starts going,
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Speaker 1: you get tunnel vision, etc. In order to overcome that,
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Speaker 1: it takes either a great amount of training in high
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Speaker 1: stress situations and a great amount of planning. So this
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Speaker 1: was somebody who did not allow the events taking place
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Speaker 1: to change your manipulate the behavior beyond what they had
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Speaker 1: intended to do, and that was remained calm and cool
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Speaker 1: and get in and out and it was it's cold
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Speaker 1: in its eerie. I find that pretty bold, pretty not
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Speaker 1: to even run. If I had just murdered, somebody would
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Speaker 1: at least run to get away. Here's Peter van say listen.
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Speaker 1: Investigators had very little to work with initially, Daphne Durette
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Speaker 1: of the Palm Beach Post. They knew that the shooter
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Speaker 1: sped off in a white Chrysler LeBaron. What they also
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Speaker 1: knew was that the shooter had brown eyes. Because of
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Speaker 1: all the makeup and the costume, Joe couldn't even be
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Speaker 1: sure if the shooter was a man or a woman,
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Speaker 1: which left police with a problem. There's a thing called
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Speaker 1: a bolo. What is a bolo? A bolo is an
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Speaker 1: acronym for be on the lookout, and in this case,
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Speaker 1: the bolo was for someone dressed in a clown costume.
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Speaker 1: It was not a lot to go on. Man, you're
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Speaker 1: not kidding. A bolo be on the lookout for a
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Speaker 1: person dressed at a clown costume. So let me ask
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Speaker 1: you this leavipage climb online dot com. Tell me who
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Speaker 1: was in the home at the time of the shooting.
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Speaker 1: So there was Marlene Warren her Son and some of
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Speaker 1: his friends, a girlfriend, and some of his friends Neighbors
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Speaker 1: said that after the shooting, some of his friends were
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Speaker 1: running out of the house frantic and scared. On one
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Speaker 1: of the balloons it was written You're the Greatest, while
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Speaker 1: the other had snow white painted on it. The clown
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Speaker 1: was wearing one of those wigs, the fuzzy haired wigs
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Speaker 1: bright orange. So the only identifier is that the killer
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Speaker 1: has brown eyes. I would immediately begin canvassing the area
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Speaker 1: for who may have sold those balloons and flowers. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this. Other investigators continued trying to find
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Speaker 1: where the flower arrangement and balloons were purchased. One said
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Speaker 1: You're the greatest, and the other one had snow white
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Speaker 1: in the seven dwarfs on it right, So they had
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Speaker 1: these two distinctive balloons. Police learned that those balloons were
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Speaker 1: distinctive enough that they could link them back to a
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Speaker 1: specific supermarket. The balloons and flowers left at the doorstep
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Speaker 1: of the murder scene were purchased at this public The
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Speaker 1: buyer described as a white female with dark brown hair.
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Speaker 1: Dark brown hair. Police discovered that purchase was made at
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Speaker 1: nine twenty two am, an hour and a half before
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Speaker 1: the shooting and the store's location caught their attention. Sheila
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Speaker 1: Keene's home is about a little more than half a
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Speaker 1: mile over here. Who is Sheila Keene? And it's very
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Speaker 1: interesting and I don't doubt it for one minute that
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Speaker 1: the clark remembered selling those particular balloons to a woman,
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Speaker 1: white female with long brown hair. That's what the clerk remembers.
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Speaker 1: Why because one was a snow white balloon and one
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Speaker 1: said you're the greatest. Very ironical that the recipient of
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Speaker 1: the balloons, You're the greatest, ends up dead. I want
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Speaker 1: to go to Jeff Cortesi, FBI former special agent. Jeff,
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Speaker 1: how do you go about tracking down who sold those balloons?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that. I don't think there
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Speaker 1: was video at the time. So you have to go
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Speaker 1: to every single clerk at every single grocery store. Yeah. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: this is a nineteen ninety you know, CCTV wasn't then
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Speaker 1: what it is now. So it does take a getting
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Speaker 1: out and going from shop to shop and asking the
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Speaker 1: right questions. And that is a huge resource dream, but
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Speaker 1: that's what it takes sometimes to get the lead you
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Speaker 1: need to take you to the next step. Leavipage crime
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Speaker 1: online dot com. Where is the husband in this scenario?
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Speaker 1: Her husband is Michael Warrett and he ran a used
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Speaker 1: car lot, car rental agency, and car reposition repossession business.
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Speaker 1: So he had a car lot and a report business.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that he had already been in trouble
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Speaker 1: with the law for rolling back O dometers. Yes, and
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Speaker 1: which is actually a federal offense. He served about four
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Speaker 1: years in prison for that and financial crimes related to
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Speaker 1: his business. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Who is Sheila Keene?
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Speaker 1: Cut to cut ten? Please take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: What police did find in the apartment was hair from
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Speaker 1: the bathroom trash and a stunner more orange fibers on
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Speaker 1: clothing inside she lives home. Detectives aren't saying if Keane
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Speaker 1: is actually a suspect in the murder. What they will
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Speaker 1: say is that they are waiting for test results on
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Speaker 1: samples of hair and fibers taken from search warrants. A
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Speaker 1: police criminologist compared the samples of human hair and the
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Speaker 1: orange fibers from the car and the apartment and in
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Speaker 1: both cases concluded the samples were similar. So this sounds
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Speaker 1: like something well, you could put this in front of
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Speaker 1: a jury and potentially get a conviction. You could or
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Speaker 1: maybe you couldn't. Similar is not the same man, you
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Speaker 1: are so right about that. Similar is not the saying
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend Peter van Sample. Four
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Speaker 1: days after the shooting, police got a huge break. They
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Speaker 1: found a white baron maybe this was the getaway car.
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Speaker 1: They find it in the parking lot of a Win
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Speaker 1: Dixie supermarket. That supermarket is eight miles from the crime
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Speaker 1: scene and nine miles from Sheila Keane's apartment. Inside the car,
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Speaker 1: police found two important clues. They find this orange synthetic
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Speaker 1: hair like the fibers from a clown wig. They also
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Speaker 1: find strands of brown human hair, brown hair like Sheila Keynes.
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Speaker 1: Within hours, police had a warrant to search her apartment.
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Speaker 1: The investigation has turned to the woman who lives here
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Speaker 1: at the Pine Ridge Apartments off Haverhill Road. They didn't
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Speaker 1: find a gun. Sheila's a stranged husband told police they
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Speaker 1: owned a thirty eight Revolver, but that Sheila told him
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Speaker 1: she misplaced it about a month before the murder. Misplaced
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Speaker 1: your gun. Remind me to circle back to misplacing your gun.
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Speaker 1: But there's so much right here I'll stop everything. This
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Speaker 1: woman has a whiteless saber, it's abandoned a Win Dixie
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Speaker 1: parking lot, and it's got orange fibers in it and
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Speaker 1: a long brown hair in it. That's a coincidence, I
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Speaker 1: don't think so, so Leavi Page. Why would a completely
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Speaker 1: unknown woman what suddenly dress up like a clown not
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Speaker 1: say word and gun down Marlne? Who is Sheila King? So?
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Speaker 1: Sheila Keane was twenty six years old in nineteen ninety.
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Speaker 1: She was married, but she worked for Michael Warren and
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Speaker 1: Michael Warren's co workers people that worked for him say
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Speaker 1: that they were having an affair and that she had
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Speaker 1: an apartment that he was paying the rent for. You
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Speaker 1: know what, can you just surprise me one time a
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Speaker 1: co worker? They have an affair according to co workers,
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Speaker 1: and you know you can't keep that kind of thing
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Speaker 1: a secret, Kurt NARMI, could you just one time surprise
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Speaker 1: me and it not be a love triangle with your coworker? Well,
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Speaker 1: I guess not, because that's clearly what the case was here.
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Speaker 1: And we saw we talked about that personalization element before,
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Speaker 1: and we can kind of see that correlation and that
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Speaker 1: puzzle come together. Doctor Angela Arnold. Do they really think
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Speaker 1: the coworkers don't notice they're sitting in each other's laps
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Speaker 1: and going out for lunch every day together. You think
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Speaker 1: they don't see that? There's got to be some sort
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Speaker 1: of I don't think that they care. I think that
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Speaker 1: they are so into what they're doing that they have
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Speaker 1: convinced themselves that other people around them do not see
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Speaker 1: this behavior. You know, another issue right here, to Jeff Cortesi,
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Speaker 1: former special agent office workers always know what's happening. They
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Speaker 1: always know. You can't keep that kind of thing as secret.
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Speaker 1: You can't in just like in you know other situations
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Speaker 1: similar to this. You know, the first place that anybody's
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Speaker 1: going to look is close to the home and then
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Speaker 1: work out. So the mestagators are going to start close
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Speaker 1: and work out. So when they start close and they
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Speaker 1: identify something like this, you know, a marital infidelity boy,
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Speaker 1: that's going to grab their attention right away, and there's
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Speaker 1: no way to hide that stuff from people. Partual infidelity.
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Speaker 1: And the white less saber was actually stolen. So in
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Speaker 1: the stolen white less saber found abandon at a widic
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Speaker 1: See parking lot, what is the likelihood, George Scuiro, the
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Speaker 1: lab director Scales Biological Lab, Inc. That you're gonna find
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Speaker 1: orange hair from a wig and long brown hair that
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Speaker 1: they say is similar to what was used, but without
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Speaker 1: the wig. How can they make a comparison? George Giro, Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: what they can do is they can take those fibers,
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Speaker 1: those orange fibers, and run a series of chemical and
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Speaker 1: microscopic analyzes on them to determine what their chemical makeup is,
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Speaker 1: what's the structure of the fiber, what type of dye
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Speaker 1: was used, and that can give investigative information, and also
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Speaker 1: the hair itself can also provide some forensic information that
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Speaker 1: might be of value if that hair is still in evidence.
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Speaker 1: Couldn't it be compared even without a route. Couldn't you
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Speaker 1: get mitochondrial DNA from the hair found in the stolen
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Speaker 1: the saber and try to match it up to the mistress.
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Speaker 1: That's correct, Nancy. Mitochondrial DNA would be the type of
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Speaker 1: analysis that would be used to make that type of comparison.
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Speaker 1: So isn't this true? Lead by Page climb online dot
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Speaker 1: com investigative reporter that the neighbors that live near Sheila
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Speaker 1: Kane actually thought that Warren, the husband was her husband
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Speaker 1: because he was there all the time. Yeah, you are correct,
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Speaker 1: and they spent a lot of time together. Well, you know,
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Speaker 1: you call it spending time together. I call it something else.
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Speaker 1: But for all the neighbors to think that was Sheila
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Speaker 1: King's husband, the killer clown? Is it the mistress the
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Speaker 1: love rival? What happens after that? Guys? Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Unmasked the Killer Clown twenty seven years at the
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Speaker 1: Mollie Warren is gunned down in the doorway of her
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Speaker 1: Florida home. The Palm Beach Post uncovers a salacious secret.
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Speaker 1: We're coming up on the twenty seventh anniversary of Rolly
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Speaker 1: Warren's death, so my editor and I decided that I
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Speaker 1: should look into it. What she found out was that
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Speaker 1: Mike Warren and Sheila Keane, the same people who denied,
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Speaker 1: have an affair shortly after Marlene Warren was killed. We're
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Speaker 1: now husband and wife. Michael gets out of prison early
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Speaker 1: and what does he do. He seeks out the same
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Speaker 1: woman who was investigated for killing his wife. Think about it.
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Speaker 1: You don't marry a woman that you suspect that mighty
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Speaker 1: killed your wife. Mike Warren married Sheila Keane in Las
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Speaker 1: Vegas in two thousand and two, twelve years after his
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Speaker 1: wife's murders. So he does time on that odometer charge.
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Speaker 1: Remember he works to use car a lot convective, rolling
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Speaker 1: back the admins and tricking customers, gets out, goes straight
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Speaker 1: to Sheila King and marries her. That's pretty strong circumstantial
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Speaker 1: evidence to you, Kirk Narmy. Yeah, there's no doubt about it.
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Speaker 1: You have motive, you have, you know, evidence of maybe
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Speaker 1: they got married to cover up after the fact they
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Speaker 1: thought they were bringing on privilege or marital privilege. Who knows,
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Speaker 1: who knows if the husband even knew. But yes, the
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Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence is piling up in their actions after the fact.
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Speaker 1: Her actions in particular, show of consciousness of fell. Let
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Speaker 1: me understand something, Levi Page. The husband was not in
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Speaker 1: jail on the o'domino charge at the time of the shooting,
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Speaker 1: was he. No, he wasn't. That was years later, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and he served time for that, and he actually got
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Speaker 1: out of prison and married Cela Keen in two thousand
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Speaker 1: and two, and then they moved to Southern Virginia, a
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Speaker 1: community right outside of Kingsport, Tennessee, very upscale community known
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Speaker 1: for retirees moving there in the mountain was very beautiful,
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Speaker 1: and they lived there, and she went by the name Debbie,
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Speaker 1: and they started a restaurant together called the Purple Cowan
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Speaker 1: Apparently they were very well liked. She changed her name.
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Speaker 1: She started going by an alias, Yes, Debbie, she was
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Speaker 1: not going by Sheila. So they move away from the jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: She changes her name, he gets rid of the car
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Speaker 1: a lot, and they start a restaurant called the Purple
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Speaker 1: Cow far away from the murder. Wow, sounds a little
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Speaker 1: bit like they're on the run. Now. There's another report
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Speaker 1: that at the time of the shooting, he was in
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Speaker 1: fact in a car with a group of guys on
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Speaker 1: the interstate. But long story short, he was nowhere near
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Speaker 1: the home at the time of the shooting. Is very
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Speaker 1: hard for me to believe, since these two then getting
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Speaker 1: married after the murder, that he knew nothing about it.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Bombshell. Right now, this case,
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Speaker 1: over twenty seven years later, is going to trial. I'm
28:58
Speaker 1: just wondering if there's any way they got a DNA
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Speaker 1: match on that hair found in the stolen lasaber, the
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Speaker 1: white lasaber identical to the one that left the scene
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Speaker 1: of the murder. Take a listen now to unmask the
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Speaker 1: killer clown. The Homage County Sheriff's Office and the Washington
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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office of Virginia tracked Michael and Sheila. They
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Speaker 1: were cut a tune Vermont for a vacation. You pull
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Speaker 1: the car over and arrest Sheila, who's sitting in the
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Speaker 1: passenger seat. While she lives in the police car, she
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Speaker 1: asked officers questions, why are you arresting me? Are you
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Speaker 1: arresting my husband? Where are you taking me? Are you
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Speaker 1: taking my husband somewhere too? Once police get her into
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Speaker 1: an interrogation room and tell her what the case is about,
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Speaker 1: she tells them that she doesn't want to answer any
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Speaker 1: more questions and she puts her head down. Sheila Keane
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Speaker 1: is charged with sure murder and extradited to Palm Beach County.
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Speaker 1: This is what we know, according to the detectives on
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Speaker 1: the case. They say DNA advances since the time of
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Speaker 1: Marlene's murder, combined with other evidence, have made this case
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Speaker 1: viable at trial. To George skiro especial guests are joining
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Speaker 1: us at DNA expert Lab director at the Scales Biological
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Speaker 1: Lab Inc. George Skiro, What do they mean by advancements
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Speaker 1: in DNA technology, Well, Nancy, there's been a lot of
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Speaker 1: advancements in the last several years as far as DNA
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Speaker 1: analysis goes. However, in this case, mitochondrial DNA analysis is
30:43
Speaker 1: for a forensic cases, has probably been around since the
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Speaker 1: mid nineties, So unless they use some of the newer
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Speaker 1: genetic genealogy technologies in this case, it seems like it's
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Speaker 1: pretty much standard mitochondrial DNA. And what we're learning is
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Speaker 1: that they killer clown investigations use DNA from hair samples
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Speaker 1: to make a cold case arrest because at one moment,
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Speaker 1: the alleged killer, the mistress Sheila Keane Warren, is on
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Speaker 1: her way to visit a mom and Vermont, and the
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Speaker 1: next minute she has been handcuffed and placed in the
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Speaker 1: back of a Virginia Sheriff's cruiser. She's saying, where am
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Speaker 1: I going? Why am I under arrest? She's sitting back
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Speaker 1: there in her jeans and flip flops. When she's told
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Speaker 1: she's under arrest because of a murder, she immediately puts
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Speaker 1: her head down and refuses to answer any further questions. Now,
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Speaker 1: this is what we know DNA based on hair samples.
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Speaker 1: Again to George Skiro, the lab director Skills Biological Labs INK,
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Speaker 1: try to explain that to me and regular people talk
31:53
Speaker 1: when we say hair samples have managed to solve a
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Speaker 1: twenty seven year old cold case murder by a killer
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Speaker 1: clown of all things, what are they saying, well, and
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Speaker 1: see what they're saying is that this mitochondrial DNA that
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Speaker 1: was found in the hair samples in the vehicle matched
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Speaker 1: the mitochondrial DNA profile of Sheila Key Warrens. And this
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Speaker 1: is not like the normal type of DNA that we
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Speaker 1: hear about every day. This one isn't as specific because
32:25
Speaker 1: it's passed along maternal lines within the family. We also
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Speaker 1: know now that the clown was absolutely wearing gloves, a
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Speaker 1: bulb nose, and a painted smile over a white face.
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Speaker 1: We also know that a pistol was the murder weapon.
32:44
Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys, but if I had
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Speaker 1: a gun, I don't think I would misplace it. The
32:50
Speaker 1: only person I've ever heard of misplacing, not that it
32:53
Speaker 1: was stolen, but misplaced a gun was Robert Blake, who
32:58
Speaker 1: was acquitted by jury in the murder of his wife
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Speaker 1: Bonnie Lee Bakley. Well, he killed her just I hope
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Speaker 1: the jury here's that. But I've never heard of another
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Speaker 1: case where a weapon was misplaced. That's what she says.
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Speaker 1: We know detectives collected samples of Sheila Keane's hair, vials
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Speaker 1: of her blood, and a search warrant because she was
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Speaker 1: a suspect at the time. Now, when her apartment was searched,
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Speaker 1: Lee by Page, what was found in the apartment that
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Speaker 1: can help me out on this DNA comparison. So they
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Speaker 1: found fibers that were red that was consistent with the
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Speaker 1: red part of a wig of a clown. Inside of
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Speaker 1: her apartment. We know that there was a court ordered
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Speaker 1: search of her home. In the apartment there were fibers
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Speaker 1: from a bright orange wig, not the wig, but fibers
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Speaker 1: and clothing that police were checking from bloodstains. Similar bright
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Speaker 1: red orange fibers were found in the stolen the saber
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Speaker 1: in the reopened case. This may be the key the
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Speaker 1: FBI crime lab, that's where you come in, Jeff Cortesi.
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Speaker 1: The FBI Crime Lab say matches were made to fibers
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Speaker 1: collected from the getaway car through a precise DNA connection
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Speaker 1: that Sheila Keane is a possible source of the hairs.
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Speaker 1: What does that mean to you? That means that they
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Speaker 1: are connecting the car to the suspect and the wig
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Speaker 1: to the suspect. It is one more piece in a
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Speaker 1: chain of evidence that more completely tells a story that
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Speaker 1: gives the prosecutors a little bit more confidence to take
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Speaker 1: to a grand jury and then subsequently to a jury.
34:51
Speaker 1: Is it true ly vi Page that almost fifty four
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars life insurance policy was paid to Michael Warren
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Speaker 1: at the of his wife And is he also going
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Speaker 1: to be indided that is true, Nancy, that there was
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Speaker 1: a life insurance about fifty grand that was awarded to
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Speaker 1: him after she was murdered Nancy. But so far he
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Speaker 1: has not faced any charges in the murder of his wife,
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Speaker 1: Sheila Keene. We wait as justice unsolved, Nancy. Like many
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Speaker 1: other court proceedings this year, the trial of Sheila Keen
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Speaker 1: Warren has been postponed to twenty twenty one. It's rescheduled
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Speaker 1: for April ninth, and it's been three years since Warren
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Speaker 1: was arrested, and during her time behind bars, she's been
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Speaker 1: writing a friend saying that it's unfair for her to
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Speaker 1: wait so long for trial, and in one letter she
35:44
Speaker 1: writes that she is confident that her innocence will be proven,
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Speaker 1: and prosecutors have said that they do not intend to
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Speaker 1: pursue the death penalty, but Warren could still face a
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Speaker 1: life sentence if she is convicted. Nancy Grace Crimes Tours,
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