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Cuckolding & FLR Done Right: w/ Victoria & James · The Bull Brotherhood

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I think we also have a few ritual things. Like,
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for example, every day, once we get up, I make
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her coffee and bring it to her. And once she
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gets out of the shower, I immediately bring the
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towel and towel her off. Those are just a couple
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of... You make the bed every day. Yeah, and I
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make the bed. I think one of the most important
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things that someone will learn, a wife who is
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not stressed starts thinking about sex more.
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we see you. Let's go. Good evening, ladies and
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gentlemen, and welcome to another exhilarating
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episode of the Bull Brotherhood podcast. I'm
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the one and only Sigma male themself, Brian Morgan,
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a .k .a. the Long Wolf. One third of the podcast
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family, along with my couple, the lovely Siren.
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Hey, baby. Hey, Brian. I don't know why you deceived
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me. I'm tired, but this always rejuvenates my
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spirit, so I'm excited. Outstanding. And of course,
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ladies and gentlemen, the nephew himself, Socrates.
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What's up, big boy? What's good, Unc? How you
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doing? I'm doing wonderful, and Happy New Year
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to you guys, if I did not tell you earlier. But
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ladies and gentlemen, this is the... episode
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that brings us back. It is 2026. We are at the
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start of another new year and I'm very, very
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excited along with Socrates and Siren to get
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this thing started again. And tonight we actually
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have a couple that comes from the Pacific Northwest,
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I believe, and they are very, very good friends
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with Socrates and Siren. They are Victoria and
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James. Hello, couple. Hi. Hey, how are you guys?
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Doing wonderful. Thank you for being on the podcast.
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This is my first time hearing about you guys,
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so I'm very, very excited to get your origin
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story and find out what this true female -led
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relationship couple is all about. So I'm going
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to turn it over, ladies and gentlemen, to Socrates
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and Siren, and they're going to lead this tonight.
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Believe me, I will chime in when I hear something
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to talk about. But I'm just going to sit here
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and let Victoria and James get with Socrates
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and Simon and let them tell their story. Go ahead,
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nephew. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. So first off, I want
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to say Happy New Year to everybody. I'm really,
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really excited. Happy New Year. Thank you. Thank
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you. This is actually our second episode of the
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New Year. Our first one was the. You know, kind
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of our intro, what we're doing this year. So
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that will come out. And I'm really excited for
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this new year. I want to talk about that for
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half a second. Then we're going to get to Victoria
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and James. We're really excited about what we
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have for our future. One of the things, this
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is new me. I'm no longer the perpetual student.
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Because I've sat under my unk and he's taught
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me the ways of the force, I've graduated to Jedi.
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And I'm no longer a perpetual student. I'm always
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in my mastery form, learning to be, you know,
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like my uncle and all of my masters and all the
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guys that take this craft seriously and truly
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care for the people that are in this community.
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And I'm really excited to make that announcement
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because my uncle and all of my mentors and this
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brotherhood of ours, that is truly a fraternity
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of brothers that love this lifestyle. have elevated
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me, and I just want to say thank you all. I'm
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going to give a shout -out to Brian Morgan, who
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was my direct unc, my mentor, and the guy that
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I choose who has the final word that was established
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in the triangle debate as the man. I want to
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shout -out to Dimitri. I want to shout -out to
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my boy D, Dimitri. D, you have lightened my fire,
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man. You have encouraged me and built me up.
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I want to shout -out to my boy Damien. I'm sorry,
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Mr. Mocha. We'll switch that out. I want to shout
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out to my boy, Mr. Mocha, who, you know, recently
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accepted me into his home and got me on the right
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track. To Pagan, who's taught me about sex magic
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and the power of his word. And Michael C., who
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is the, that's the mouthpiece right there, bro.
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That man has the gifts of gab. And, you know,
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he can talk his way into anything, including
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to a beautiful woman's arms. So that's the new
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me. So let's get started and talk about Victoria
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and James. So I met them at Splash Smoke in 2023.
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And a little story about my journey is that she
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is the epitome of what I value, which is tall
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and curvaceous and just feminine and beautiful
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and elegant and classy. And the vibe is always
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number one. That guy is dope, man. I admire that
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guy so much. James is just a cool dude, good
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heart, and represents the power of a cook. And
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I'm so sad that these guys out here in the world
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don't understand the power of that. And then,
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so I saw her, and she went up to Michael C. And
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Michael C. is like 5 '6 or something. I don't
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know, 6 '11 or something. I don't know. The dude's
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tall. And so is Victoria. And she went up to
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him and I met them in a seminar. And she went
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up to him and she hugged him and she said, I
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just love a tall man. And because I didn't have
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the ways of the force back then, I didn't know
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that that has nothing to do with attracting a
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woman. It has to do with my confidence. So I
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told myself a lie. Well, I'm only six. And so
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maybe she won't be interested in me. And I did
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not approach her. And that was one of the biggest
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mistakes. And we end up. meeting at the end of
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splash and we're all tired and we sat down and
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my wife siren reminded me that you know we sat
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down have a really great conversation with them
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and they had this nice little business card and
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we we talked and we shared and we realized you
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know what we're vibing the next time we see each
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other we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna connect
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and so that's where it started so Victoria, talk
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to me about your origin story. What got you guys
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into the lifestyle? What got you guys to decide
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to make that lifestyle decision? Oh, gosh. Well,
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it was probably about four to five years ago
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that we were in a position that our kids were
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getting ready to leave the nest. We were trying
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to figure out, actually, I was really motivated
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to figure out what to do next. I spent a lot
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of time putting everything I had into helping
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make sure that the kids were successful and giving
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everything I could to them. And I was not exactly
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sure what the next step was going to be. And
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so we were on our way to an event. We were driving
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along the lake and I had talked to James and
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said, okay, what do you think we should do when
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the kids are graduated? Should we go hiking?
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Should we try out new breweries? And he said,
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I think you should dominate me. And I almost
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drove into the lake. I'm like, I don't even know
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what that means. Very, very vanilla lifestyle.
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We'd been married for over 20 years at that point.
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Very, very vanilla lifestyle. And I said, well,
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does that mean I have to wear leather? What is
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that? So anyway, all of that state just opened
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a really big conversation about a part of our
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life that we didn't really spend a lot of time
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paying attention to. And yeah, and then about
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a month after that, he said, hey, I wouldn't
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mind if you were. with another guy. And I'm like,
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yeah, I just got used to this other idea. What
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are you talking about? Right, like you're throwing
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them at me too quick. Yeah, I'm like, this is
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absolutely nuts. No, no, I'm not interested in
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having sex with another guy. That's like absolutely
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insane. There's not really, even if I was, there's
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not really a market. This was my opinion. There's
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not really a market for guys who are interested.
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in middle -aged women who've had children. And,
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you know, anyway, and that started another conversation.
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Well, I've since found that that was an inaccurate
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perception on my part. So, yeah, so that's kind
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of what started the conversation, a lot of research
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into female -led relationships. I hadn't ever
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heard that term. I had never heard the term cuckold.
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I hadn't ever, I knew nothing about that. So
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I just delved into, once the shock wore off,
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I just delved into researching as much as I could
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because I figured we'd been together long enough
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that if it was important for him to bring up.
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then it was important for me to figure out and
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at least understand what he was asking. So James,
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had you already researched this before you asked
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her to dominate, build another guy? I guess in
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the sense research, watching a lot of porn of
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female dominatrix and also huckled stuff. And
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yeah, so I did a lot of research with that, certainly.
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If you can call it research. We call it Pornhub
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research. Yeah. That's definitely research. That's
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definitely research. Yeah. I mean, you consider
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me the lead researcher then. Yes, I did a lot
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of research. I have several papers written on
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it. Seeing is believing, okay? You can read about
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it all damn day, but until you actually see it,
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then you know what, you know. So great. Good.
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That's a very good, that's a very good cook.
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Please continue. Please continue. Yep. So, Victoria.
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Oh, go ahead. No, no, go ahead. What happened
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after that? Actually, I was going to let you
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go ahead. There's, I guess there's, I mean, you
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know, that led into going into Adult Friend Finder,
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which was the worst thing in the world. Because
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it felt like, you know, from going to nothing,
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when we met and started dating, you know, at
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this point. As of today, we've been together
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for 30 years. Dating apps were not a thing. The
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internet was barely a thing. And so he said,
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hey, let's get on Adult Friend Finder. And I'm
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like, it was awful. I said, get me off of this
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thing. It feels like I just have like dongs flying
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at my face all day long. I just, I'm overwhelmed.
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This is, it's not attractive. There's yeah, there's
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no communication. I'm not interested. So I said,
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yeah, I'm going to take the reins on this and
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I'm going to figure this out. So I basically
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Googled because I told him that I said, you know,
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I think this is the single male thing is probably
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too complicated. I think swinging is going to
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be easier. Obviously another terrible assumption,
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but so I said, yeah, it was awful. So I Googled,
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how do you find swingers in the state that we're
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in? And it led me to Cassidy, which was a site.
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And so we got on Cassidy and I told James, I
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said, okay, if we're going to do this and if
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we're going to try this, we're going to go where
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swingers congregate. So we're going to go on
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a cruise. And we're going to be locked at sea
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with all these swingers. And by the end of this,
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we're going to know if we like it or not. We
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don't like it. We can just stay in our room and
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order room service. So that's what we did. And
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we basically scheduled a cruise and started talking
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with people. And I kind of got over that thing,
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thinking that I was too old or, you know, all
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of the things that one thinks, the negative talk
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that people have about themselves. And we booked
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this cruise. and it was all alcohol was included
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and i said we're gonna we're gonna find a way
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to have a good time even if we don't like that
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part of it and then we started talking with couples
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and single males and the weekend before the cruise
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we're like okay we're gonna rip the band -aid
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off and so we spent one night with a couple and
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another night with a single male and we said
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okay this worked great let's go on the cruise
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and so that's kind of how we started and the
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it was it was it was honestly and you guys know
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this by now since we've met that it was really
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my intentions were pure of the single male and
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then she brought up doing the couple thing and
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swinging I'm like well you know if you're gonna
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call me up to smash and pussy I guess I'll guess
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I'll jump in if I have to he was such a trooper
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yeah he was such a so we really dabbled in Both,
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you know. Yeah. And our philosophy was we're
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going to try everything twice because we don't
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know anything about anything. And I'm not going
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to have any idea of what I enjoy or not until
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I do all the things. And so that started a year
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of what I call drinking from a fire hose, so
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to speak, of us. gone like all the weekends,
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every other weekend, always doing something,
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always going somewhere, traveling, traveling,
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traveling, meeting people, doing things. And
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yeah, that was about for the first year. And
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then we kind of got into our groove and kind
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of really figured what we liked. And during that
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time, we were, it was couples and single males.
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both and kind of navigating both of those realms
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and still doing things. FLR, we had contract,
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we have a contract between us. We had rules and,
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and things that we had. And so it, we were doing,
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we were kind of living in both existences and
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really it was, James gave me the, the space to
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really figure out what I liked and he just went
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at the direction of it. So it was really great,
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and he was always really, really great and supportive
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for whatever I want. And he still is this way.
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Whatever I want to do, wherever I want to go.
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If I want to take a break, I take a break. If
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I don't, I don't. And he's just along to support
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me along with it, which is amazing. Okay, let's
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rewind. Tell me about the contract. Well, so,
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yeah, we started the contract because, you know,
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we Googled it, and we figured out what do we
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do. This is something. And I was trying to figure
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it out. I'd done books and stuff, and we Googled
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how to put together a contract. And so the contract
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was really clear as to what his position was,
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what the philosophy was with me, and what he
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deferred to me in. There were areas where he's
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actually better at things than me. That sounds
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really actually rude, but of course he's better
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at things than I am. But I, yeah, so I deferred
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to him to those things, but I have the final
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say in things. We have rules that he, from that
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moment when we made that decision, there was
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no masturbation on his part. You know, I cage
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him when I want to. That's completely my decision.
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And, and kind of, you know, just that he is in
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all things. It's the basis of him doing things
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for me. Today is about how you think? Yeah, that
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roughly sums it up. Did I miss anything in there?
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I'll tell you if you miss something. Whatever,
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shut up. Just kidding. I love that. You guys
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didn't think that was as funny as we did. I'm
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going to beat his ass after this, and you won't
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be able to see the mark. I didn't want to sound
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like a total pussy in front of everybody, so
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I'll try to sound tough for a moment. I know.
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I say that I beat his ass, but he'd like it too
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much. Yeah. Or I could help out with that, you
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know. I like to help you sometimes. Yes. Sorry,
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Brain. Did that answer your question? Yeah, that
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pretty much tapped into everything. Sounds good.
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And then we'd go to Sunday breakfast and we'd
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kind of review it for a bit. And we just did
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re -up of it probably about three or four months
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ago. We went through it and updated it and went
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through it and made sure that everything looked
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correct. And sometimes if we feel like we're
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getting off base, we'll go back to it and return
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to it. Yeah, and part of that is obviously that
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she has complete sexual freedom. regardless of
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checking with me or not. I love that. But I actually
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don't exercise that because I also understand
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that when I'm given such incredible freedom and
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power within the relationship, that I'm also,
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you know, that's an incredible responsibility
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and I need to be very cautious and careful about
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how I wield that kind of power. Nice Spider -Man
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quote. Stop it. It's not a Spider -Man quote.
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With great power comes great responsibility.
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I did not say that. You were pretty close. Thanks
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for the backup on that. I selfishly want to get
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to the juicy part of how we know Victoria and
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James and how we... had an interaction with them,
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our first interaction with them. Can we talk
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about that? Patience, siren, patience. We'll
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get to it. Yeah, that was fantastic. Oh, yeah.
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I mean, trust me, we're going to get into that
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one. I want to tell my listeners, I make bold
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statements. This is not, Victoria and James are
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too humble for this, so I'm going to speak for
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them. In my humble opinion, this is an exemplary
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couple. Let me review what they said. They had
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a conversation. The cuck. did his own research
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first. And go back to our episode in season one
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about research. I don't know what number it is,
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but we'll put that in the show notes. So they
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started off with their own kind of research,
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and porn is research. That's fine. I wouldn't
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recommend porn, but because I did with, actually
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I started with the porn and Adult Friend Finder,
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and I loved it. So we can talk about that end
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of it. But they started with research. Then they
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had a good conversation. Then they researched
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more, and she mentioned some books. I'd love
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to hear what those books are later. And then
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they did more research, and then they just jumped
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in. I mean, after that, they came up with a contract
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because the research said that might be the best
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way to handle these things. Write them down.
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We just helped another couple, and they called
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it a constitution, and we love that. You write
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it down because people forget, people don't remember.
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You might be in the moment. That's beautiful.
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And then they execute it. And then they go back
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and they sit down and they review everything.
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That is the best way to do it. In my opinion,
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again, there's other ways. I'm not saying that
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there isn't other models of starting. But I believe
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this couple is exemplary because of those foundational
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principles that we always talk about in this
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episode. And they're too humble to say it, so
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I'm going to toot their horn. And that's why
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I have them on because, or I invited them to
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come share their story because there's many ways
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to do it. But she's authentically this, guys.
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Like, these couple, this is who they authentically
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are. And my theory is that because they took
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their professionalism as professionals, as parents,
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as adults in this world, and they took some of
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those things. and they applied it into their
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everyday life and their lifestyle, it was easy
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transition. Would you guys agree, Victoria and
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James? Well, I mean, I think that that's incredibly
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complimentary of you. We totally left out all
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of the parts where we totally fucked up, and
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we had to, you know, things blew up, and we had
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to pick up the pieces and kind of figure out
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what to do. So, I mean, which we would now tell
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you that none of that was bad. It was all wonderful
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way, I should say. a segue into great communication
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hard at the time but we like when i said we tried
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everything we did and we just kind of did it
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and then figured out about how we felt about
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it afterwards so i mean i think that you give
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us a lot of accolades and a lot of a lot of credit
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and we did have a very very very solid foundation
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prior to engaging in all of this but like people
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say time and time again if if you when you engage
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in this it definitely highlights any cracks in
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your foundation and you quickly figure out how
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to resolve those you know if you're going to
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have any sort of longevity i would think in this
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and i think you brought up a great point about
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research i mean now i certainly have like many
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many more better resources where if some guy
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is thinking of talking to his wife and introducing
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these concepts there's a lot of stuff out there
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that are much much better than obviously porn
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because it's it's counter to what you should
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be doing i mean like evolvingyourman .com and
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some other books there's some really good stuff
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out there that you can introduce to your wife
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that is really that will introduce it in the
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correct way where she can digest it better i
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think yeah but anyway thank you for for the for
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the thoughtful comments for us Yeah, and, you
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know, I pride myself on being authentic. Like,
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I got some couples I'm like, I just told a couple,
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I think you need to get out and take a break
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because y 'all are tripping. I have no compunction
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telling people, you know, where I think they
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are because I'm always coming from a place of
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love and I want to see everybody in this lifestyle
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win. And, yeah, and some people, you know, me
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and Siren didn't have 30 years under our belt,
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but I worked extremely hard. And she put up with
23:56
my craziness to build a really— I still am. Oh,
23:59
yes. To build a really strong, solid foundation.
24:02
And I drilled her. And I practiced. And we talked.
24:05
And we went over a lot of things. And to her
24:08
credit, she said, bet. I will meet it and exceed
24:12
it. And she did. And she leapfrogged me in some
24:15
ways. In some ways, I'm learning from her. I
24:19
just really love that foundation. So talk to
24:22
us about the FLR part. I think it just kind of
24:24
goes back to the contract and that at the end
24:31
of the day, I am the person who calls the shots
24:35
on it. I think we also have a few ritual things.
24:40
Like, for example, every day once we get up,
24:44
I make her coffee and bring it to her. And once
24:47
she gets out of the shower, I immediately bring
24:50
the towel and towel her off. Those are just a
24:53
couple of... You make the bed every day. Yeah,
24:55
and I make the bed. I think one of the most important
24:57
things that someone will learn, a wife who is
25:01
not stressed starts thinking about sex more.
25:04
A super stressed wife... Does not think about
25:07
sex very much. Hallelujah. Preach. Amen. James,
25:12
you're turning me on. Oh, yeah. James, hold on.
25:16
Should I say non -stressed wife a few more times?
25:18
Hold on. Hold the fuck. Gentlemen out there.
25:22
Doing dishes. James. I'm touching my nipples
25:25
now. Okay. So I'm going to be talking about this
25:29
in the future. It's called frame in the manosphere
25:33
community. What that means is, is that when you
25:37
give a woman the space and freedom to feel secure
25:41
and safe and non -judged, and like I said, and
25:46
quiet her mind, and that's what he's talking
25:49
about, relieving the stress, then that helps
25:52
activate a woman's natural juices, her natural
25:58
desires, her natural fantasies. And so that's
26:02
why I say this is an exemplary couple because
26:05
James is a smart motherfucker. He knows what
26:08
he's talking about, y 'all. So gentlemen out
26:10
there, listen. Love it, love it. So, okay, Siren,
26:14
I'll let you go ahead. So what happened is we
26:17
had connected. And I'll let you take over from
26:20
that point to leading up to the juicy stuff because
26:23
I know you're really excited about that. Hey,
26:24
I know James is too. And James and I, it's funny
26:28
with the female lead because then, you know,
26:31
James and I kind of took over this part. So we
26:34
had talked about having my back. Okay, there
26:37
we go. And I don't remember who brought up the
26:41
whole thing, but I had talked to Michael C. about
26:45
cuck sitting. And for those of you not familiar
26:48
with that, because it's it's really, you know,
26:52
not talked about a lot, but it's really fun.
26:55
And I had talked to Michael C. and he said, well,
26:58
what why do you want to do it? And I said, because
27:01
I just feel so excited by the idea of watching
27:07
my husband sit there, you know. play with this
27:12
woman and please her and ravish her while sitting
27:16
next to her husband and talking to him about
27:18
it. And I said, you know, whether that helps
27:21
him to, you know, be more calm about the situation,
27:24
to enjoy that situation, etc. I just want to
27:29
be in service to that cuckold couple. So I think
27:32
what kind of brought it up is that at the second
27:36
Splash Mocha that we went to, My husband was
27:39
playing with this woman and I ended up sitting
27:42
next to her husband and just watching. And I
27:46
said, do you want me to like suck a dick or something?
27:49
Like, you know, can I do something for you? I
27:52
was just like, he's like, oh, no, no, no. I just
27:55
watch. And he's like, but we can talk. And I
27:57
was like, oh, OK. And then at that same event,
27:59
I watched him play with another woman and sat
28:01
next to the husband. And that husband, he's like,
28:04
I said, OK, so we just sit here and talk, you
28:06
know. And he said, oh, he's like, well, he's
28:09
like, these are her events, but I do play outside
28:11
of here. So it kind of just brought the idea
28:14
going. Well, then we started talking to Victoria
28:16
and James. And kind of brought the idea of cucksitting
28:20
to them. And we kind of just explored the idea
28:23
and how it would work with them. And kind of
28:27
all four of us learned together. And it was really
28:29
a really cool thing. Did you have something,
28:31
Socrates? Yeah, I was going to say, that's because
28:33
I'm fun to watch, y 'all. I'm fun to watch. If
28:36
you do say so yourself. And we had actually.
28:40
Oh, I'm probably jumping ahead about this, but
28:43
we had actually dabbled in this once before,
28:46
not to necessarily the same level, but I had
28:51
played with the power exchange of giving the
28:55
key to another woman before. And that was kind
28:58
of the conversation that you and I had had. siren
29:02
about, okay, you know, what does this look like?
29:05
What does it do? And so for me, it was a bit
29:07
of a ritualistic thing to say, okay, if you're
29:10
going to cook sit him and you're going to manage
29:13
it, I'm going to give you this key. So I'm not
29:15
going to worry about it anymore. I now provide
29:17
you with the responsibility of this and do what
29:21
you will with it. I've subcontracted. Right.
29:24
And from my perspective, when you're talking
29:29
about this, you're describing that other event
29:30
and the guy says, yeah, I'm just watching. And
29:33
I'm thinking like, wait a minute, my wife getting
29:36
ravaged by some other guy and I'm sitting there
29:39
with his wife and she's dirty talking about how
29:41
great it is. Like, fuck yeah, sign me up. This
29:44
sounds amazing. And it was, yeah, it was even
29:48
better than that when it happened. Right. So
29:51
I messaged Victoria privately and I said, hey,
29:55
so I've never done this. I'm very excited, but
29:58
I want to know what your guidelines are. What
30:01
are my do's? What are my don'ts? And then, like
30:03
she said, she brought up giving me the key. And
30:06
I said, whew, I immediately caught my breath.
30:09
I said, that is a lot of responsibility. And
30:12
I said, let me talk to my husband about that
30:14
because. I don't know, you know, if I want to
30:17
do that, should I do that? So Socrates and I
30:19
talked it over and, you know, and he said, she's
30:22
offering it to you. Just find out all the do's
30:24
and don'ts and you'll be fine. And I said, okay.
30:26
And then I was very like, whew, angsty, you know,
30:29
about that whole key thing. And so in the group
30:33
chat, I know Socrates and Victoria were flirting
30:36
back and forth. And then James and I, we were
30:39
creating the fantasy. James right away had a
30:43
lot of ideas of what would be going on. And it
30:45
was hilarious because, you know, Victoria was
30:48
very generous with her do's and don'ts as well.
30:51
I have since cuck sat for a couple of other couples
30:55
and they weren't quite so, the wife wasn't quite
30:59
as generous and that is totally fine. I said,
31:02
I can do anything from sit there and just sit
31:05
with him and be quiet. all the way to whatever
31:08
you want, which you will hear more about in a
31:10
second. Or you can either sit there or sit on
31:14
my face. Yeah. Are those two choices? Right.
31:16
So when we asked, I said, well, James, what does
31:19
this look like for you? And he said, well, you
31:22
know, go ahead and say what you, you know, what
31:25
one of your ideas was. Oh, God, I'm trying to,
31:28
because I had a lot of ideas. Well, James should
31:31
be an erotic writer. He should. The man has nothing
31:35
but... It was like unending fantasies. I just
31:38
don't want to like not do it justice. It was
31:40
so descriptive. It like, I was like, I didn't
31:43
know that I was going to get all turned on by
31:45
this. I went in, I was a very service minded,
31:48
you know, going to help out and everything. And
31:51
I didn't realize how great it would be, you know,
31:53
for a turn on for everyone. So he described,
31:56
you know, like basically like me sitting on his
31:59
face. and just telling him about what was going
32:02
on with his wife and my husband. And it would
32:05
basically be something like this. Yeah. So Victoria
32:09
and Socrates will be blah, blah, blah, blah,
32:12
blah, blah. And then he it was like very boring.
32:14
And then whatever him and I were doing, he was
32:16
very descriptive and very erotic. He was very
32:21
excited about being cucksat, you know, very excited.
32:24
And that just made it even more fun because,
32:27
you know, you could just feel his excitement
32:29
coming out. So then we get to, you know, it's
32:34
probably four months of us all talking and planning
32:36
everything. And then we get to Fort Lauderdale
32:39
Splash Mocha. And, you know, we go and talk to
32:43
them. It was Wednesday night. And, you know,
32:46
we're all excited. We're going to go do this.
32:48
And we only talked very shortly. And then we
32:50
said, let's just go, you know. So I had planned
32:53
out an outfit. Very strappy, very dominatrix
32:57
looking. I had a flogger. She was going to give
33:00
me his key, this whole thing. So I was really,
33:03
you know, getting into the character of this
33:06
cucksitter. I think we planned more about that
33:09
aspect of it than... actually victorian socrates
33:13
playing oh because that's the only reason because
33:17
the day i saw her i already had my plan set i
33:20
was like i've been waiting on this shit for a
33:22
year i know what i'm gonna do and i you know
33:26
and in all fairness i am such a like black and
33:31
white Type A. Black and white. Oh, black and
33:35
white. That too. But I am very literal. I am
33:41
not a creative person and he's the fantasy person.
33:44
He's the one who has the ideas. I am so literal
33:47
that I would never even be able to imagine that
33:50
in a million years. So it's really, really handy
33:55
for him to be able to have that creative aspect
33:58
of it. And for me. It actually feels really great
34:02
to have no plans and to say, Siren, you're a
34:05
fantastic grown ass woman. Here's the key. Do
34:09
what you will. He knows if it's something he
34:11
shouldn't do and he'll let you know. And then
34:13
I'm going to go about my business. I don't have
34:14
to worry about it. i'm business y 'all i'm the
34:19
business she was talking about but i mean it's
34:21
actually very freeing and the our relationship
34:24
is so much in my turn on that i found out over
34:28
all of this is the power differential it's all
34:30
about the power differential for me and And it
34:34
was very, very fun and freeing. It's not for
34:38
everyone. There are many in similar relationships
34:40
to ours that would absolutely think this is a
34:44
terrible idea and that I should never do that.
34:47
I disagree. It's amazing. But at the end of the
34:52
day, we do what works for us. And we are not
34:56
kind of pigeonholed into any sort of box. talk
34:59
to each other and we figure out what we enjoy
35:02
and we go from there and we trust one another
35:05
that we'll, we'll be able to manage whatever
35:07
way we go. So all of that to say, that was kind
35:10
of the disclaimer of people think I'm a terrible
35:12
cuckoldress. Yeah. It's, you know, that's why
35:15
I say it's all the way from, Hey, I'll just sit
35:17
quietly with him to, you know, what ended up
35:20
happening, you know? So, you know, so we will
35:25
arrive at the room. I had something over my outfit.
35:28
as to not distract regular hotel patrons. And
35:32
we go to the room. They have done a beautiful
35:35
job with lighting and just really setting the
35:38
mood. The music is going. It's a very welcoming
35:42
and erotic environment. And immediately, as soon
35:47
as I am in the room and the door is closed and
35:50
Socrates is behind me, James falls down in front
35:53
of me and says, May I undress you? And I don't
35:58
remember if he if he called me a queen or something.
36:02
I don't I have no idea. I can't remember that
36:03
part. But I just remember he just immediately
36:06
fell down and was like just shaking with excitement
36:08
and asked to help me undress. And so, you know,
36:13
he helped me take the outfit on that was over
36:15
it. And he was just his eyes were as big as saucers.
36:20
And it was just such so exciting the entire time
36:23
and the entire focus. You know, we thought. That
36:27
maybe, you know, we were going to sit and we
36:29
were going to do all of this stuff. And Socrates
36:33
and Victoria were going to get into their play.
36:37
And that is not what happened at all. So the
36:41
focus of the... Red strappy outfit. You remember,
36:47
you remember that? It's a good thing he's caged.
36:49
We're going to keep that boner under control.
36:51
And I, and I didn't, I had a hard idea. Hard,
36:54
sorry. Now I'm distracted. I had a hard time
36:59
with the concept of punishing someone, but James
37:04
was very disobedient. And so he got punished.
37:06
And so that was, that was very easy after that,
37:08
you know, and then I made him. undress himself
37:12
and then you know just began running the flogger
37:16
over him and and doing various things socrates
37:19
who raised your hand Yeah, no, I want you to
37:21
keep going. And there's one part I really want
37:23
to just say myself. So just keep going. I just
37:26
want to raise your hand when you want to say
37:29
that. So we just proceeded. I just was teasing
37:33
him. And, you know, he's like, may I touch you?
37:35
And then I'd let him touch me. And then I'd say
37:37
no. And I just, you know, we just played around
37:40
with it because it was a first for me of, you
37:43
know, having that control over another man. I
37:46
never. had done anything like it before I never
37:50
do anything dominating with my husband nor do
37:53
I want to but because I was borrowing the power
37:56
from Victoria it made it fun it made it excitement
37:59
exciting it made it something you know that we
38:02
were exploring so as we got further into it I
38:06
did end up ordering him to lie down on the couch
38:09
and then I was going to ride his face but then
38:13
he touched me And I said, you did not have permission
38:16
to touch me, and now you will wait. And then
38:19
I got back up, and I wouldn't let him touch me,
38:22
and he was just shaking with excitement the entire
38:24
time. And, you know, just, you know, Socrates
38:27
and Victoria, you know, began to get started.
38:30
I began to reference to them, and then Socrates
38:32
wants to tell this part. Yeah, so let me set
38:35
the scene for y 'all. Yeah. I have expanded my
38:39
palette of the ladies. And I always put vibe
38:44
first. But you guys have to understand, when
38:47
I designed in my mind the kind of elegant, classy,
38:53
curvy, tall, and delicious woman, Victoria's
38:56
it, y 'all. And I always said, pussy focuses
38:59
me. I'm not the type of, I can be in a room,
39:01
a crowded room, and what's in front of me, it
39:04
focuses me. I'm always, I'm always mastering
39:09
my craft. I'm always focused on the woman in
39:12
front of me to give her the best experience I
39:15
can. And I'm sitting here and they're doing their
39:19
thing and I'm like, okay, you know, let's move
39:21
towards, I don't even remember what I did, but
39:24
we moved slowly and we got to the point where
39:27
she's laying on the bed and I'm telling you,
39:30
nine times out of 10, 99 times out of 100, I'm
39:35
like, Whatever is going on, I don't care. I got
39:38
this beautiful, classy, delicious, good vibe
39:43
woman in front of me. And this time I had, like
39:46
she said, I don't ever get to see a dominant
39:50
siren because she don't do that with me. She
39:52
doesn't want to and she ain't doing it, even
39:54
if she wanted to. And I saw that for the first
39:58
time. And for the first time ever, I could not
40:02
take my eyes off of those two guys. I was like.
40:05
What the fuck is going on? Not two guys. I mean
40:08
these two people, you know what I mean? I don't
40:11
mean guys. Let's correct that, folks, quickly.
40:15
These, you know, my wife and James. And I was
40:19
like, I don't know what's going on. But at the
40:22
same time, I feel like, Victoria, you felt the
40:25
same way, right? Oh, 100%. But I had been in
40:29
swinging positions with James. And he... James
40:34
is very animated and he can definitely with his
40:40
animation it causes and so a James Siren combo
40:45
with all of this was like I mean it was so distracting
40:50
in all of the best ways There was no way that
40:54
you and I were going to be able to get done anything
40:55
that we needed to get done while that amount
40:58
of fireworks was happening. It was just a display.
41:01
You could not help but stop and watch just at
41:05
this really great power exchange and just great
41:08
energy. And it was great to watch. And it was
41:13
super fun for me to watch. handing over that
41:16
power to someone else and seeing what they did
41:18
with it because it was very it was similar to
41:20
what i did but it had a different flavor so it
41:22
was kind of a little artful watching someone
41:24
else paint on the same canvas so to speak and
41:28
it was so funny that as siren you're talking
41:31
about this and and not being into dominating
41:35
and i guess you looking back maybe you were a
41:38
little bit reticent initially but boy you took
41:41
it very quickly and it was amazing Took to it
41:44
quite well. Girls, a quick study. Well, I guess
41:47
it was, you know, in the vanilla world, you know,
41:50
outside world, I have to do a lot of, you know,
41:53
decision making and stuff for work. And so I
41:57
had never really wanted to be in the dominating
42:00
space, you know, in the lifestyle. And so. You
42:06
know, that's still that personality came through,
42:08
but it came through in such a fun way. It was
42:11
like I didn't have to be there doing any of that.
42:14
I got to be I got the privilege. You know, my
42:17
husband was allowing me to to be there to do
42:20
that. Those things. Victoria was giving me the
42:23
power, you know, over her husband. And so that
42:26
just made it a privilege. It made it fun. It
42:29
didn't seem like any sort of work or anything
42:31
that I would have imagined that it would be.
42:34
And then I just got into it, you know, and at
42:36
one point I shoved him up against the wall and
42:39
I said, do you think that you're going to be
42:42
able to fuck me with that little tiny dick? You
42:45
better try. You better try because your queen
42:48
over there is not going to let you be cuckset
42:50
again unless you give it your full effort. And
42:53
it was just fun. It was just moments like that.
42:56
Or when I did finally ride his face and I waterboarded
42:59
him with my squirt. We did that a couple of times.
43:03
In the end, when we did, I did, you know, try
43:06
to get the cage off at one point, and that was
43:08
kind of comical because I imagined very differently.
43:11
I imagined, like, just something with a padlock,
43:13
and his, it was, like, fit together. So she had
43:17
to get off the bed and come help me. You know,
43:20
so just moments like that where we were learning
43:22
and, you know, but then just as the scene was
43:25
unfolding. I should have given you a chastity
43:27
cage 101. Right, a little YouTube video of, like,
43:30
how to take it apart and put it back together.
43:32
to practice yes but i was yes the cylinder lock
43:35
is not intuitive yeah i have one you can take
43:39
off right now as we speak so right that thing's
43:42
not coming off for a while it was you know and
43:45
it's it was a lot of fun and it was trust in
43:49
the individuals involved and it was great communication
43:53
you guys it was fantastic to communicate with
43:55
you And it was actually something we haven't
43:57
replicated since because it's just a very selective,
44:02
it's a very selective energy and situation. It's
44:07
something that I enjoy, but I'm just selective
44:11
as to who I would do that with. Yeah, I don't
44:13
know about you guys that that could be replicated.
44:17
You guys are amazing. And it was just the excitement
44:20
and energy behind doing it. It was the complete
44:22
respect of what was. happening and what I was
44:26
doing by providing you with that power and it
44:29
was yeah it the setup was perfect and I and I
44:34
you know even though you know Socrates and I
44:39
Did not in the moment accomplish what I think
44:41
we had originally set out to do because we were
44:44
distracted by the show, the three ring circus
44:47
that was happening in the corner. Eventually
44:49
I just asked if I could take your cuck to my
44:51
room and we ate snacks and got in our jammies
44:54
and let you guys have your fun. And that was
44:57
really, really. Yeah. And that's the part of
44:59
giving over the power is that you also have to
45:01
be able to take care, do the aftercare with it
45:03
too. So you did a lovely, lovely job with that.
45:06
And before we cover any other part, I'd also
45:08
like to say. premature ejaculation is the highest
45:10
form of flattery. That has nothing to do with
45:15
anything specific, just a general statement.
45:17
Well, I got to tell you too, guys, that everything
45:19
was so amazing and so stimulating and so hot
45:23
that, you know what, that might've been the first
45:26
time that it actually happened looking back,
45:28
but James was unable, even though we took the
45:31
cage off, he didn't get an erection really, even
45:36
though he was so turned on. And then he, came
45:39
anyways just trying to kind of like flop his
45:42
little penis around on me and then i squirted
45:45
i squirted all over him and he was not inside
45:47
me just and he wasn't rubbing on me really he
45:50
was just sort of flopping it on me like a little
45:51
gummy worm and and it was so just the whole thing
45:55
of being watched by socrates and victoria and
45:58
that happening it i squirted on him and now i've
46:02
been able to like squirt without really being
46:05
like you know penetrated or you know specifically
46:10
stimulated so I think that might have been the
46:13
first time that that happened for me so that
46:15
was a cool thing too that happened I thought
46:18
was like why why am I this guy is not even inside
46:21
me and I'm just like this whole situation is
46:24
so cool that my body just responded that way
46:27
so and then you know you gave me extra you're
46:30
like for the rest of the weekend you know he
46:32
can help you know do whatever you need him to
46:34
do so he was my suntan lotion cook and ran and
46:38
got us drinks and different things. And then
46:41
when we, you know, saw you again, you allowed
46:43
me the privilege of teasing him a little bit
46:45
still, which, you know, not everyone wants to
46:47
continue outside that. So I appreciate that privilege
46:50
as well. Well, I think you bring up a really
46:52
good point, though, that the mental stimulation,
46:55
I think for us specifically, and that's why why
46:59
cuckolding is just so. where we've landed i mean
47:05
since that experience with you in 23 we have
47:08
gone very much i mean very rarely the swinging
47:13
situation and almost exclusively interracial
47:18
cuckolding situations that have gotten you know,
47:22
really, really clear that that is where we have
47:25
landed in our journey. We never count anything
47:28
out ever because you never know what kind of
47:31
people you meet. We still go to swinging events
47:33
because we have friends that are. We enjoy the
47:38
fun, sexy atmosphere. But when we go to like
47:42
utopia, the cuckold specific events, that is
47:47
where we shine and flourish and are our freest,
47:50
most wonderful sexual selves. I just heard there's
47:54
possibly a chance I may get some strange in the
47:56
future. Very small chance. God love them. You
47:59
know what? That's part of what my job is, just
48:02
to keep a little hope alive for them. What did
48:05
I missed? What did you say, James? You might
48:07
get what? I said there's a small chance I may
48:09
get some strange in the future somewhere. Yeah,
48:12
that's what I heard. Yeah. No, he's not. So we
48:15
shall see. I have one question about Utopia regarding
48:18
James. And then I really want to talk about the
48:20
future of Victoria and James. I am a researcher.
48:24
I love asking questions because I love seeing
48:28
from other people's perspectives because perspective
48:30
is one of the most powerful things. So I asked
48:34
everybody, because I had worked with my boy Michael
48:36
C., and we were helping cook and do all these
48:39
other things for Utopia. You know, it's great.
48:42
You guys should check it out. You know, check
48:44
out Michael C.'s website and look into it. And
48:47
so, but I was asking everybody. I really wanted
48:50
to know their feedback. And James, do you remember
48:53
what you had told me? Because that changed my
48:56
whole perspective on co -coding, and it changed
48:59
the trajectory of... of my lifestyle journey.
49:04
Gosh, I guess I don't remember what I specifically
49:06
said. You said something super profound. You
49:08
did. So what I was asking everybody and he was
49:11
like, he was like, you know, there's no place
49:15
where we're like 100 % celebrated and 100 % accepted
49:22
and we could just be our authentic selves. And
49:25
I was like, wow. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I was
49:29
like, wow, you mean, you know, All we need to
49:33
do, and everybody wants this, they want their
49:35
own place, their own home, their own community
49:38
where they can just let loose and be themselves
49:41
and not worry about, you know, people thinking
49:45
it's weird or wrong or whatever they think. And
49:49
that really inspired me because I was like, I
49:53
can do that. You know, me and my wife, Siren,
49:57
have been doing some form of events our entire
49:59
lives. And we learned the ways of the lifestyle.
50:06
And we're now learning how to integrate that.
50:09
And we're looking forward to doing some cook
50:12
-hold specific events ourselves. But, James,
50:14
you were the one that gave me the framework to
50:19
move forward. And now Brian already knew this,
50:21
right? And, you know, he's been in the game for
50:24
30 years, right? He knew it, but I had to see
50:27
it for myself, right? It's like giving people
50:29
a space. to be themselves and i love that calling
50:33
it's like a calling to me now and it's really
50:36
really difficult to find that an event that curates
50:41
to cuckolds it's just it's very rare and you
50:44
find that the people that attend it's like going
50:48
somewhere where you have your own secret handshake
50:50
it is absolutely nirvana for us I mean I hate
50:56
to say they named it utopia but I mean truly
50:58
that's what it is that is where when we attended
51:01
that event then we attended the subsequent event
51:03
we just said everything makes sense it is now
51:08
we had dabbled in a lot of things we were kind
51:11
of doing a lot of things simultaneously and we
51:14
said this is really it this is where we both
51:19
have such a great feeling of Absolute freedom
51:23
that we can do whatever we want, however we want.
51:28
We can try whatever we want. And it was absolutely
51:33
phenomenal. So they're rare events to find, but
51:37
gosh, they're magical when you do find them.
51:42
We're going to be doing them. And the Bull Brotherhood
51:44
is gearing up to that. And because of that. And
51:48
another thing that Victoria said is we were,
51:51
you know, after the whole event, we were talking
51:54
and she said, you know what? I have realized
51:58
I am never. And I don't know what you guys have
52:01
done since then, but she's like, I am never going
52:03
to do anything where my husband is not 100 percent
52:06
a part of this. And I was like, you go, girl.
52:08
That's what I'm talking about. You know, you
52:10
discover yourself and you realize this is where
52:14
we belong. We discovered some very specific dynamics
52:19
that we enjoy that we would have not found necessarily
52:23
at an event like that. It was really just, it
52:28
was such a, it was a time of really a lot of
52:31
growth for us that was just kind of compounded
52:34
by the next event. So yeah, keep us on our list.
52:38
Keep us on your mailing list if you have events
52:40
because. We're, we, we love them. It's just,
52:43
it, it is, we find it's just rejuvenating for
52:48
our soul and we, it's, it's wonderful. We just,
52:53
we're, we're super grateful to have those opportunities.
52:56
I love it. And let me add too, it was, it was
52:59
beautiful for me, like Socrates and I are in
53:02
a stag and vixen relationship. So here we are
53:05
at this event, just helping out with all these.
53:09
cuckold couples and it was beautiful for me because
53:12
I got to just learn so much by watching and being
53:16
around and asking questions of just the different
53:19
ways that everyone moved in their dynamics and
53:22
that's was my intention for the weekend is to
53:26
just go there and just to learn and to be a student
53:29
of what was going on and because that is an underserved
53:34
community. in the lifestyle you know as you mentioned
53:38
there's not as many events and so it was great
53:42
to just go there and be a part of that in a small
53:45
way to you know just learn more about and just
53:49
you know because sometimes people will be like
53:51
oh cuckold you know that's weird or whatever
53:54
I was probably one of them for sure you know
53:57
but as you learn about it and you just see the
54:01
love that you guys have for each other and the
54:04
respect and how you practice that, then it's
54:08
just beautiful just to watch and to know about
54:11
it. And I just had a huge growth and appreciation
54:14
for that dynamic after that weekend. So thank
54:18
you guys for being a part of that. And thank
54:20
you for saying that. I mean, that's always been
54:22
one of my biggest concerns to keep that bit hidden
54:26
from many because, I mean, obviously. We try
54:31
to be very hidden just based on our jobs and
54:36
things like that. But even in the community,
54:39
the hot wiping, the splash, the splash community,
54:43
the swinging community, we're pretty quiet about
54:48
the cock holding piece because it comes with
54:50
so many negative connotations. And I cannot stand
54:54
the idea of anyone looking at James. and thinking
54:59
him any less than the absolutely phenomenal individual
55:03
that he is. The thought of anyone thinking anything
55:07
less than he is absolutely amazing is sickening
55:11
to me. So I guard it and I'm very, very, very
55:14
cautious with it, which is probably even more
55:17
why cuckold events are so wonderful because no
55:21
one... everyone it's just and that's why i think
55:24
it's so important for you know people outside
55:27
the cuckold dynamic to learn about it and to
55:30
you know that's why i wanted to go because i
55:33
feel like you know with my mouthpiece as having
55:36
my own podcast with the siren of freedom and
55:39
you know people are starting to you know recognize
55:44
me and so it's important for someone to know
55:48
and understand all dynamics so that when people
55:52
come to you, you know, they will listen. They'll
55:54
say, oh, well, you know, maybe we need to open
55:58
our minds to more things. And so the more we
56:01
educate ourselves and the more non -cuckold couples
56:04
can educate other non -cuckold couples about
56:08
it, the more we can grow that respect and just
56:12
cherish it because what you guys have is beautiful
56:15
and it's amazing. And I wish everyone could see
56:18
that. Yeah, I do too. I love it. Did you guys
56:21
have one comment on that? I have one more question.
56:23
We're coming up on time and we want to be cognizant
56:25
of you guys' time. Did you want to comment on
56:28
anything she just said? Yeah, all I was going
56:29
to say is everything that Victoria said, you
56:32
know, with all that, she still has no problem
56:34
humiliating me in many, many ways. I love it.
56:40
It's actually one of my, I actually do that with
56:42
our vanilla friends and they think I'm just being
56:44
cheeky. Well, we did have a lot of fun. But I'm
56:47
being accurate. We did. also go with Victoria
56:49
and James just to a little weekend getaway last
56:53
year and that was quite fun and I think Victoria
56:56
and I were like she was teaching me all the small
56:59
penis references and jokes and and things over
57:02
the weekend, so that was quite fun. And Siren
57:05
will tell you she was kicking our asses in every
57:08
game we played and drove Siren to the point of
57:11
wanting to fucking leave. No, no, no. I said,
57:15
good thing I love you so much because I'm very
57:18
competitive and I do not like to lose. And that
57:21
weekend was still great. Siren and I share that
57:25
attribute. I am wicked competitive. It's terrible.
57:29
It's not my best self. But you guys are a blast.
57:35
wonderful and kind and we this is why we love
57:38
the lifestyle is because we get to meet people
57:41
like you that we would have never probably never
57:44
would have met so we're really really grateful
57:45
and maybe one day i'll we'll be lucky enough
57:47
to meet mr morgan in person and yeah who knows
57:51
maybe maybe we'll get into some mischief yeah
57:54
and if you're ever lucky enough for victoria
57:57
to give you the privilege of letting you borrow
58:00
her cook he gives a amazing nude massage so What's
58:04
the future for Victoria and James? What are you
58:07
guys looking forward to in the coming years?
58:10
Oh, that's a really good question. I'm going
58:12
to go ahead and answer it because that's how
58:14
we do things, as you've probably seen. I answer
58:16
all questions. But, you know, we have cultivated,
58:22
and Utopia has helped with this, really network
58:25
with some really great... cuckold couples. And
58:28
we're actually meeting up with some friends of
58:30
ours who we met through Utopia in Orlando. And
58:34
we're doing kind of like just a small curated
58:36
event that's very cuckold centric with some gentlemen
58:40
that they are familiar with in Florida. And so
58:45
we're going to be doing that. Splash is in our
58:49
future, but we're also going to go on a bliss
58:51
cruise with some friends in November. The great
58:56
thing about that is that there are some gentlemen
58:58
that I've met through Splash and Utopia that
59:01
are also going to be on the Bliss Cruise, which
59:03
is fantastic. So I think really we have gone
59:09
away so much from couple stuff. That really is
59:14
not so much in our wheelhouse. Although I think
59:17
at each event, I think... And James looks at
59:20
me for the nod like, okay, yeah, we're going
59:23
to do the swinging thing at this event. But part
59:25
of it is that I just tease him and make him think
59:28
that it might happen. And then I just rip the
59:30
carpet out from underneath his feet. I'm waiting
59:32
in the bullpen just every day. Like one day the
59:34
phone's going to ring and I'm coming in. And
59:36
I just don't know when that is. Isn't that so
59:37
sweet? He's not in the bullpen. The man thinks
59:39
he's in the bullpen. Yeah, I was going to say,
59:41
no, sorry. You're outside just hoping to have
59:45
a little sip of their water. He really does.
59:49
But in answer to your questions, Socrates, what
59:51
I think a lot of it is just connections we've
59:54
made. And then we will travel and go meet with
59:57
people we have great connections with that love
1:00:00
and appreciate our dynamic. And it works out
1:00:04
very well for us. I'm in a position that I can
1:00:09
do getaways quarterly or even less than that.
1:00:14
And I don't mind that, you know, that those kind
1:00:18
of play experiences or there's time in between
1:00:21
of that. So that works well for us for where
1:00:24
we're located. But I know that that's not everyone's
1:00:27
dynamic, but it works for us. I think he would
1:00:30
probably enjoy more frequent fun times, but I
1:00:34
got a lot of shit that I'm working on. So, you
1:00:37
know, I compartmentalize this with every other
1:00:39
part of my life. I got shit to do. I'll try to
1:00:41
remember to send him nudes more often. Oh, he
1:00:45
would love that. The man is a... Yes, please.
1:00:49
Yes, please. He's a connoisseur of curvaceous
1:00:53
women. He loves that. Amen, brother. Did you
1:00:56
have anything you wanted to add to Socrates'
1:00:58
question? Because I answered all of it. Did you
1:01:00
have anything? Oh, sorry. I was thinking about
1:01:01
getting nude from sirens. He's a singular -minded
1:01:04
man. Yeah. I love distracting him. Thank you
1:01:08
so much for letting me tease your cut. Of course.
1:01:11
Of course. Of course. Did you have any other
1:01:14
plans for us for the future? I don't think so.
1:01:17
I'm sure he has like a thousand fantasies. He's
1:01:19
just waiting to dole them out slowly to not overwhelm
1:01:22
me. Maybe I should, you know, you need to send
1:01:26
me one of your written little fantasies and then
1:01:29
I'll send you some nudes. Because I do like hearing
1:01:31
your stories because they give me ideas for things.
1:01:34
Oh, the man could write erotic fiction. We'll
1:01:36
charge him. And I'd love to read it. All right,
1:01:39
well, we are. I love it. We are coming up on
1:01:42
time. Unk, is there anything you want to ask
1:01:44
or anything like that? No, I think you guys covered
1:01:47
everything. I was just here to listen to what
1:01:50
I heard. Well, take it over, Unk. I'm so sorry.
1:01:54
I don't want you to feel like we excluded you
1:01:56
from the conversation. Oh, he would have jumped
1:01:59
in. He would have jumped in if he wanted to.
1:02:02
Believe me, he doesn't need anyone's permission
1:02:04
to jump into the podcast for sure. Okay. All
1:02:07
right. I think, Unk, it's you now. All right.
1:02:10
Yep. Take us away. Well, ladies and gentlemen,
1:02:14
I would like to thank Victoria and James for
1:02:17
coming on tonight to another very, very interesting
1:02:21
episode of the Bull Brotherhood podcast. And
1:02:24
for myself, Soccer Keys and Siren, wishing all
1:02:28
the Bulls out there of the Brotherhood a good
1:02:30
night. And to all my sexy ladies, you know the
1:02:34
routine. Good morning. Until we meet again, talk
1:02:38
again. Everybody. I'll be saying cheers. Bye
1:02:43
-bye. Good night.